Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 101

Series: From Soil to Forest: The Practice of Networked Ministry

Description:

In this first episode, Patrick O’Connell, Director of Networks NEXT, talks with Mark Neal, COO of Apsire Network and Co-Founder of Clarity Ministries. The conversation in this episode centers around moving from an isolated ministry toward a mission-oriented community and calling leaders back to a shared mission.

Host:

Patrick O’Connell, Networks NEXT, Director

Guest:

Mark Neal, Aspire Network, COO and Clarity Ministries, Co-Founder

Links Shared in Episode:

Clarity Leadership Collective

Aspire Network

Category: Networks NEXT

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 100

Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI

Description:

AI is here, and your congregation has questions. Is it a sin to use it? Will AI replace jobs? And what about your kids using it?

Nils Smith, VP of Marketing for Faith Driven Entrepreneur and founder of Amplify Social Media, walks through the top 10 questions pastors are being asked about artificial intelligence.

Learn how AI can be a tool for organizational efficiency and an “incredible tool” for spreading the Gospel, without replacing the essential human connection and worship the church is built on.

Don’t miss Nils’ answers to the deepest question your members are asking: What makes humans special if AI can do what we do, perhaps even better than we can?

This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next.

Guest:

Nils Smith, Faith Driven Entrepreneur, Vice President and Amplify Social Media, Founder

Category: AI NEXT

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 99

Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI

Description: Jay Owen, Chief of Ministry Staff at Church of Eleven22, shares how his team builds custom ministry apps in hours using AI-powered tools. His church now creates software solutions for under $3 that used to cost tens of thousands of dollars and take weeks to develop.

In this practical episode, Jay walks through real examples including:

• A personalized wallpaper creator built in 45 minutes the night before a major presentation
• A baptism registration system that served nearly 2,000 people
• A sermon search tool that indexes 890 hours of content
• Landing pages created for $0.50 in 2 minutes

You’ll learn about vibe coding with tools like Replit, where ideas become working applications through simple descriptions. Jay walks through actual builds, shows troubleshooting in real time, and explains which projects work best for this approach.

Whether you’re tech-savvy or someone who barely likes being on the computer, you’ll discover specific tools and workflows that reduce costs, improve user experience, and create stronger discipleship pathways.

This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next.

Guest:

Jay Owen, Church of Eleven22, Chief of Ministry Staff

Category: AI NEXT

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 98

Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI

Description: AI is a “force multiplier” for the Kingdom, but instead of being a friend or an enemy, you should make AI your frenemy. In this episode, Jason Morris introduces the “Art of AI Jiu-Jitsu”, teaching pastors how to use AI as an “adversarial network” to leverage its power while avoiding its weaknesses.

Since the average church cannot afford to “own the compute” or “own the model,” the speaker argues that the greatest opportunity for pastors to use AI without becoming a commodity is to own the data.

Some of the critical issues to discuss internally with church leadership are:

1. Own the Prompts: The question of “who owns the prompts” is becoming more valuable than ever, and pastors should reuse and share them among staff to create efficiency and save time.
2. Build Contextual Equity: Create a knowledge base of best practices around prompts to help onboard new staff and volunteers quickly.
3. Leverage Context: Since “content is no longer the king… context is”, your unique human context with your church is your “superpower” that AI will never have.
4. Focus on the Human Element: AI is designed for “dopamine, not truth” and excels at “sycophancy”. Pastors should prioritize relationships, care, and speaking the “cold hard truth”, actions AI cannot produce.

Jason leads the conversation by showing how AI can be used to handle the “grunt work” like administration and research, freeing you to focus on the relationships and community that only humans can provide.

This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next.

Guest:

Jason Morris, thechurch.digital, Director of Equipping & Mobilization

Category: AI NEXT

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 97

Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI

Title: Chad Williams, CEO of FiveQ agency, provides a comprehensive biblical framework for evaluating AI and technology in ministry. Drawing from Scripture, he traces technology through creation, fall, and redemption to help church leaders make wise decisions about emerging tools.

In this episode, Chad addresses the questions your congregation is already asking about AI. He explains why technology reflects God’s creative nature, how sin corrupts its purposes, and how redemption transforms even the most dangerous tools for kingdom impact.

You’ll learn four practical evaluation questions for any technology decision:

• Can I trust the source?

• Is it communicating truth or spreading lies?

• Does it amplify or replace human work?

• Am I creating or just consuming?

Chad demonstrates these principles across five ministry contexts: sermon preparation, administrative tasks, discipleship and pastoral care, outreach and communications, and volunteer training. Each example shows the “human sandwich approach” where human judgment bookends AI processing.

Whether you’re responding to concerned congregation members or evaluating AI tools for your team, you’ll gain theological grounding and practical wisdom for stewarding technology in ministry.

This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next.

Guest:

Chad Williams, Five Q, CEO

Category: AI NEXT

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 96

Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI

Title: AI just removed the technology barrier that’s been killing your best ministry ideas.

You’ve had this idea for months. A better way to equip parents. A simple volunteer system. A tool that helps your people apply Scripture to daily life. You can see it clearly. You know it would work.

But then: “That would cost thousands.” “We’d need a developer.” Another God-given vision shelved.

Kenny Jahng shows pastors how churches are using AI to create custom ministry solutions by simply describing what they need. No programming. No developers. No massive budget. Just you, having a conversation with AI—and watching it build exactly what you need.

The prayer system your recovery ministry needs. The family discussion tool. The coordination system that fits YOUR church. AI builds it while you focus on ministry.

You’ll see concrete examples, get a simple roadmap, and discover how your pastoral instincts guide AI to serve your vision.

Use AI to build what your people actually need. You already know what’s needed. Now AI makes it possible.

This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next.

Guest:

Kenny Jahng, AI NEXT, Director

Category: AI NEXT

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 95

Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI

Title: How to Get Started with Agentic AI for Your Church and Ministry

Natchi Lazarus breaks down agentic AI in plain language for church leaders who want practical solutions, not complicated tech jargon.

Discover how AI agents work 24/7 on your behalf—creating content, posting to social media, and tracking results while you focus on people. You’ll learn the four essential components of AI agent systems, when to use agents versus simple AI tools, and the SONG framework for implementation.

Get step-by-step guidance to deploy your first AI agents with no-code tools, understand multi-agent workflows, and set up proper guardrails. Whether you’re tech-savvy or a complete beginner, this episode shows you how to transform AI from a confusing buzzword into a practical tool that multiplies your ministry’s gospel impact without requiring coding skills or technical expertise.

This episode is part of the Exponential AI NEXT podcast series. Learn more about how to get up to speed with AI for church at exponential.org/ai-next.

Guest:

Natchi Lazarus – CC Academy, Founder/CEO

Category: AI NEXT

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 94

Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches

Title: Team Development in a Multiethnic Church Context

Unity matters in every church: but in a multiethnic church, cultivating a unified staff is both more challenging and more consequential. In this episode, we share transferable truths and practical insights to help leaders build effective, mission-aligned multiethnic teams.

Host:

Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director

Guests:

Nirup Alphonse – LIFEGATE Church, Lead Pastor
Lawrence Hicks – Mosaic Church, Executive Pastor
Paul Kroger – Vine & Village, Executive Director

Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Disruption: Repurposing the Church to Redeem the Community

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 93

Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches

Title: Community Engagement: Beyond Rhetoric to Results

Pastors often say, “We’re going to take this city for Christ.” But have we ever actually seen that happen? And many churches claim to love their city—but does the city love the church back? In this episode, we’re joined by proven practitioners who share actionable insights for meeting real, empathetic needs in your community at the bridge of Christ’s humanity.

Host:

Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director

Guests:

Tommy “Urban D.” Kyllonen – Crossover Church, Lead Pastor
Melissa Mixon – CrossPurpose, VP of Legacy
Rodrigo Cruz – The United Methodist Church, Executive Assistant to the Bishop for the North Georgia Conference

Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Disruption: Repurposing the Church to Redeem the Community

The Power of Asking ‘What If?’

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 92

Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches

Title: Theological Insights for Building a Healthy Multiethnic Church

New Testament churches were intentionally multiethnic. They were envisioned by Christ in John 17, described by Luke in Acts 11, and prescribed by the apostle Paul throughout his life and writings. In this episode, credible practitioners and scholars come together to discuss the biblical mandate for the multiethnic church.

Host:

Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director

Guests:

Derwin Gray – Transformation Church, Lead Pastor
Noemi Chavez – Revive Church, Lead Pastor
Dr. Dominick Hernandez – Talbot School of Theology at Biola University, Associate Professor of Old Testament and Semitics

Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Building a Healthy Multi-Ethnic Church: Mandate, Commitments, and Practices of a Diverse Congregation

The High Definition Leader: Building Multiethnic Churches in a Multiethnic World

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 91

Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches

Title: Multiethnic Church Planting, Growth, & Development

Every church planter faces challenges. Those planting multiethnic churches face even more. Where does the passion come from, and how does the vision become reality? This conversation offers practical insight and quotable wisdom for leaders pursuing healthy, gospel-centered multiethnic churches.

Host:

Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director

Guests:

Naeem Fazal – Mosaic Charlotte, Co-Lead Pastor
Kristin Mockler Young – Mosaic Charlotte, Co-Lead Pastor
Bernard Emerson – Tapestry Church, Lead Pastor
Collin Outerbridge – Nona Church, Lead Pastor

Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Ex-Muslim: How One Daring Prayer to Jesus Changed a Life Forever

Tomorrow Needs You: Seeing Beauty When You Feel Hopeless

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 90

Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches

Title: Transitioning from Homogeneity to Healthy Multiethnicity

In this episode experienced practitioners consider the how and what of transitioning a homogenous church into a healthy multiethnic church. Among other things, we explore personal calling, receptivity of denominational churches of over 100 years, prophetic vision and pace of change, how to foster cross-cultural relationships within the body, and turn the power and pleasure of God that uniquely dwells in unity and diversity, outward to impact and engage the community. The longer the conversation goes, the deeper and more actionable the insights—so be sure to stay tuned to the end!

Host:

Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director

Guests:

Libin Abraham – Bent Tree Bible Fellowship, Lead Pastor
Mark Hearn – First Baptist Church of Duluth, Senior Pastor
Oscar Acosta – Bend Church of the Nazarene, Co-Pastor
RJ Strickland – Bend Church of the Nazarene, Co-Pastor

Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Technicolor: Inspiring Your Church to Embrace Multicultural Ministry

Building a Healthy Multi-Ethnic Church: Mandate, Commitments, and Practices of a Diverse Congregation

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 89

Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches

Title: Sociological Insights: Evaluating the Movement Past, Present, and Future

Join sociologists Michael Emerson and Geoge Yancey to consider the history and trajectory of the Multiethnic Church Movement from the late 1990s to the present day. The conversation explores pains and gains over the past twenty-five years and what is needed to press on to maturity over the next quarter of this 100-year movement, which describes what is today the 2nd largest category of churches in the U.S.

Host:

Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director

Guests:

Michael Emerson – Rice University, Harry and Hazel Chavanne Fellow in Religion and Public Policy
George Yancey – Baylor University, Professor of Institute for Studies of Religion and Sociology

Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Divided by Faith, 1st edition

Divided by Faith, 2nd edition

United by Faith

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 88

Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches

Title: Developing Your CQ®

This episode dives deep into the why, how, and what of developing Cultural Intelligence (CQ®). The conversation explores the four components of CQ—Drive, Knowledge, Strategy, and Action—and explains how pastors, staff teams, and entire churches can strengthen their CQ. With actionable insight and discussion of the CQ assessment tool, this robust interaction offers practical guidance for all who seek to understand diverse others and lead them to walk, work, and worship God together as one in the local church for the sake of the Gospel.

Host:

Mark DeYmaz – Multiethnic Church NEXT, Director

Guests:

Harry Li – Mosaix Global Network, Senior Consultant
Graham McKeague – Mosaix Global Network, Certified CQ® Facilitator
Jaye Goosby Smith – Pepperdine University, Vice President for Community Belonging and Chief Diversity Officer
Markus Lloyd – Threaded, Founder/CEO

Category: Multiethnic Church NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Mosaix

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 87
Series: Ministry Reimagined

What does it look like to disciple deeply and see that impact multiply widely across communities?

In this challenging and hope-filled episode, host Tom Planck, Director of NEXT Ventures, is joined by Walter Harvey of the Wi+H Movement and Paul Watson of the Freedom Initiative. Together, they share innovative, context-specific approaches to discipleship that are helping people grow in faith and become disciple-makers in their own communities.

Walter shares how Wi+H Movement partners with churches and emerging pastors to develop culturally relevant and transformative discipleship strategies. Rooted in relationship and local context, their work equips leaders to disciple effectively in the communities they serve.

Paul brings insight into the powerful work of Freedom Initiative, which is focused on launching disciple-making movements among those impacted by incarceration in the U.S. By equipping believers, prison ministries, and churches, they’re seeing lives transformed, recidivism reduced, and the Kingdom expanded through the power of deep, replicable discipleship.

Whether you’re serving in a traditional church, navigating complex social issues, or longing to see real transformation in your community, this episode offers both inspiration and practical models for making disciples who make disciples.

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Host:

Tom Planck, Director, NEXT Ventures

Guest:

Walter Harvey, President, Wi+H Movement

Paul Watson, Founder, Freedom Initiative

Category: Innovation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

with.city

walter@with.city

@Bishop_WalterHarvey

Bishop Walter Harvey

contagiousdisciplemaking.com

@pauldwatson

Paul D Watson

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 86
Series: Ministry Reimagined

What will it take to raise up the next generation of Kingdom leaders—and how can the Church equip them to thrive?

In this visionary and practical episode, Tom Planck is joined by three catalytic leaders who are deeply invested in multiplying healthy, mission-driven leadership: Jon Wiest of Mobilize the Church, Steve Pike of Urban Islands Project, and Dave Miller of Leadership Pathway. Together, they engage in a powerful conversation about how to find, develop, and unleash change makers for the future of the Church.

Jon shares how Mobilize the Church partners with pastors and local leaders to train and resource the body of Christ for movement and mission. Steve discusses how Urban Islands Project is working across multiple cities to launch coaching clusters that support church starters planting in urban contexts simultaneously. And Dave outlines how Leadership Pathway is helping churches build strong leadership pipelines through intentional, in-house residency programs that consistently raise up high-impact leaders.

If you’re a church leader, coach, planter, or simply someone passionate about leadership development, this episode offers real tools, tested strategies, and fresh inspiration for building the kind of leaders the Church desperately needs.

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Host:

Tom Planck, Director, NEXT Ventures

Guest:

Jon Wiest, Co-Founder, Mobilize the Church

Steve Pike, President and Founder, Urban Islands Project

Dave Miller, Co-Founder, Leadership Pathway

Category: Innovation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

mobilizethechurch.com

nextwave.community

leadershippathway.org

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 85
Series: Ministry Reimagined

What does meaningful ministry look like for the next generation?

In this energizing and insightful episode, Tom Planck is joined by Olivia Williamson of Claim Your Campus and Emma Tautolo of AZ Reach, two leaders who are deeply invested in raising up Gen Z through prayer, leadership, and holistic community engagement.

Olivia shares how Claim Your Campus is mobilizing middle and high school students to pray for their schools and communities, creating a grassroots movement of young people who are spiritually grounded and bold in their faith. Emma brings a powerful perspective from her work with AZ Reach, which empowers Arizona youth through mentorship, skill-building programs, entrepreneurship training, mental health support, and more.

Together, they dive into what it means to reach, equip, and walk alongside a generation navigating immense cultural, emotional, and spiritual challenges. Whether you’re a church leader, youth pastor, parent, or someone passionate about the future of the Church, this conversation offers real stories, practical insights, and fresh vision for engaging Gen Z and beyond.

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Host:

Tom Planck, Director, NEXT Ventures

Guest:

Olivia Williamson – Director, Claim Your Campus

Emma Tautolo – Executive Director, AZ Reach

Category: Innovation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

azreach.com

@azreach

claimyourcampus.com

Claim Your Campus App

@claimyourcampus

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 84
Series: Ministry Reimagined

What if evangelism wasn’t just about sharing the message of Jesus—but about sharing life with others?

In this inspiring and deeply practical episode, host Tom Planck is joined by Akie Hadeed, Founder of Streets of Prayer, and Molly Soderstrom, Co-Founder and Executive Director of The Brook. Together, they explore the transformative power of relational evangelism, where faith is shared not from a platform but from the context of real, everyday relationships.

Akie shares the global vision behind Streets of Prayer, an app and movement aiming to raise up a billion Spirit-filled followers of Jesus to cover every person and every place in persistent prayer by the year 2030. Molly brings her passion for multiplying everyday disciple-makers through The Brook, a movement mobilizing young professionals to live out the Gospel across generations.

This conversation offers encouragement, strategy, and a renewed vision for how personal connection can open doors for spiritual transformation. Whether you’re in full-time ministry or simply want to love your neighbors better, you’ll be equipped and inspired to live and lead as a bridge builder in your own community.

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Host:

Tom Planck, Director, NEXT Ventures

Guest:

Akie Hadeed, CEO/Founder, Streets of Prayer

Molly Soderstrom, Co-Founder & Executive Director, The Brook

Category: Innovation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

streetsofprayer.com

thebrook.city

@thebrook.city

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 83
Series: Ministry Reimagined

What does ministry look like when the church goes beyond four walls and into the digital world?

In this thought-provoking and timely episode, host Tom Planck sits down with Anne Bosarge, founder of Digital Discipleship and Mark Lutz, Founder and Lead Pastor of Lux Digital Church, to explore how technology is reshaping the way we reach, disciple, and walk with people in their faith journeys.

Anne and Mark share their unique perspectives on building real, authentic relationships, even when those relationships begin on a screen. From online prayer and community to virtual mentorship and spiritual formation, we unpack both the incredible opportunities and real challenges of doing ministry in digital spaces.

Whether you’re leading a church, launching a digital ministry, or just wondering how to better engage people online, this conversation will expand your vision for what’s possible. Ministry in the digital era isn’t about replacing face-to-face connection; it’s about leveraging technology to make the Gospel more accessible than ever before.

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Host:

Tom Planck, Director, NEXT Ventures

Guest:

Anne Bosarge, Founder, Digital Discipleship

Mark Lutz, Founder and Lead Pastor, Lux Digital Church

Category: Innovation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

digitaldiscipleship.online

Digital Discipleship: Reimagining the Great Commission in a Digital World

luxdigitalchurch.com

mark@luxdigitalchurch.com

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 82
Series: Ministry Reimagined

What happens when the Church doesn’t wait for people to come but goes to where they already are?

In this insightful and energizing episode hosted by Tom Planck, Director of NEXT Ventures, sits down with Drew Cline of South City 2.0/317 Coffee & Cafe and Shane Boyd of Gathering of Nomads to explore what it truly means to be a sent community. These two leaders are reaching people in vastly different, but equally impactful, contexts: Drew is engaging and discipling people in and around Central Arkansas, while Shane is ministering to individuals and families living in RV parks across the country.

Together, they share powerful stories and practical strategies for how they’re discipling, equipping, and mobilizing believers outside of traditional church models. From house gatherings and mobile communities to persistent presence and relational evangelism, this episode unpacks fresh, contextual approaches to ministry that meet people where they are – literally.

If you’re passionate about church planting, mission-driven community, or reimagining how the Gospel moves in the world today, this conversation will inspire and challenge you to think beyond the building.

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Host:

Tom Planck, Director, NEXT Ventures

Guest:

Drew Cline, Elder & Lead Pastor, South City 2.0/317 Coffee & Cafe

Shane Boyd, Founder, Gathering of Nomads

Category: Innovation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

gatheringofnomads.com

gatheringofneighbors.com

southcity.org

dcline@southcity.org

317.coffee

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 81
Series: A Called Generation

Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT, this episode welcomes Austin Rockwell, founder of Kamp Love and leader with Nissi Young Adults. Austin is a passionate disciple-maker whose journey has shaped thriving ministries for college students and young adults across the country.

Every calling comes with a cost but the transformation is worth it.

Carrie and Austin dive into the often-unspoken realities behind growth, leadership, and living out your purpose. Austin shares deeply from his own story; navigating grief and purpose after the tragic loss of his best friend, using that pain as fuel to launch Kamp Love, and persevering through seasons of doubt, exhaustion, and sacrifice. His journey paints a raw and hopeful picture of what it really means to step into God’s call, day after day.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

• How setbacks, loss, and struggle can become the very foundation for your greatest impact
• What it looks like to keep serving when the path is unclear and ministry feels costly
• The spiritual and emotional price of becoming who you’re meant to be—and how God meets you in the “messy middle”
• Stories from Kamp Love’s growth and Nissi Young Adults—reminders that the deepest transformation often comes outside your comfort zone
• Practical encouragement for leading, loving, and pressing forward, even when the journey feels uphill

Austin’s perspective is honest and hope-filled, shaped by hundreds of camping trips, thousands of lives impacted, and countless lessons learned on the front lines of ministry. Whether you’re a leader, volunteer, or simply hungry to grow, this episode will invite you to count the true cost and embrace the beautiful, hard, and redemptive work of becoming.

You are not alone. Every part of your story, no matter the cost, is preparing you for a purpose greater than you imagine.

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Host:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Guest:

Austin Rockwell, Founder, Kamp Love

Category: Generation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

kamplove.org

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 80
Series: A Called Generation

Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT, this episode features Rachel McCord, celebrity entrepreneur, speaker, author, founder of Holy Spirit Vibe and The McCord List, and a shining example of resilience, faith, and bold living.

You are made for more and you don’t have to play small.

In this motivating episode, Carrie and Rachel dive into what it means to truly live from your full potential. Rachel shares the real-life lessons she’s learned on her journey from humble beginnings in Georgia to building nine companies, overcoming severe health challenges (including open-heart surgery), and becoming a mentor and inspiration to millions around the world.

What you’ll explore:

• Moving Beyond Limits: How to recognize and break through the self-doubt, fear, and comparison that keep you playing small.
• Embracing Your Story: Ways to turn pain, setbacks, and even “messy middles” into fuel for growth and use your past as a launchpad for your future.
• Faith and Purpose in Action: Rachel’s testimony on how her faith and obedience to God’s call transformed her life, led her to launch Holy Spirit Vibe, and gave her a passion to help others encounter healing and freedom.
• Practical Steps to Maximize Your Potential: Strategies to protect your energy, steward your influence, and show up fully no matter your current season or platform.

Rachel’s authenticity and faith shine through as she encourages listeners to stop waiting for perfect circumstances and start living boldly today. Her story is a reminder that you have unique gifts, an important mission, and unlimited potential right where you are.

Expect real talk, practical encouragement, and an invitation to rise into everything you’re created to be.

You don’t have to settle. You’re called to live fully, freely, and on purpose.

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Host:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Guest:

Rachel McCord, Founder, Holy Spirit Vibe and The McCord List

Category: Generation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

HolySpiritVibe.com
TheMcCordList.com

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 79
Series: A Called Generation

Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT, this episode features Cheryl Nembhard, Executive Director of the Women’s Speaker Collective.

Where you are is not an accident; it’s an assignment.

Carrie and Cheryl explore what it truly means to embrace the power of your current position, no matter how grand, ordinary, or overlooked it may feel. Drawing from Cheryl’s experience, this conversation is packed with real-world insight for anyone wondering how to make an impact right where they are.

You’ll hear:

• Why your seat, your current role, season, or circumstance, is an endorsement from God, not a waiting room for something “better”.
• How to steward influence with integrity, whether you’re a student, entry-level employee, volunteer, or emerging leader.
• The freedom that comes from trusting that God has gone before you, securing your purpose and position, so you can lead from a place of rest and confidence, not striving or comparison.

We will remind you that you don’t need a title or platform to change the world. You just need to show up, right where you are, with faithfulness and courage. This episode will challenge you to see your current position as a gift and a launchpad for all God wants to do in and through you.

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Host:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Guest:

Cheryl Nembhard, Executive Director, Women’s Speaker Collective

Category: Generation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Women’s Speaker Collective Website
@cherylnembhard on Instagram
‘On the Path’ podcast
‘Together We Rise’ Podcast

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 78
Series: A Called Generation

Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT, this episode welcomes Will Garinger, the visionary founder of Run With Christ (RWC), a movement that’s united thousands of runners in faith and fitness across North America and beyond.

Passion is more than a feeling. It’s a compass pointing you toward your calling.

In this inspiring conversation, Carrie and Will explore how God can take a simple passion, even one you once disliked, like running, and turn it into a powerful platform for purpose and community. Will shares his journey from being a reluctant runner to launching a global ministry that now gathers hundreds every Saturday for worship, prayer, and 5K runs, all while creating space for people to encounter Jesus and each other.

You’ll hear:

• How to recognize when your passion is God’s invitation: Will’s story of starting RWC at just 19, with no formal plan or team, and watching it explode into a movement that’s changing lives in over 30 cities and multiple countries.
• The unexpected ways God shapes your calling: Will’s realization that his past experiences, even the ones that felt isolating, were preparing him to build a community where everyone feels known, seen, and loved.
• The power of showing up: Practical insights on taking bold steps, even when you feel unqualified or overwhelmed, and how God multiplies small acts of obedience into something far greater than you imagined.
• Living a life that glorifies God through your passions: Why Run With Christ is only 20% about running and 80% about ministry, outreach, and creating a space where faith and fitness collide.

Whether you’re searching for your passion, wrestling with doubt, or ready to take the next step, this episode will challenge you to listen to the voice of your calling and trust that God can use your unique story, interests, and even your hesitations to make a lasting impact.

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Host:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Guest:

Will Garinger, Founder, Run With Christ

Category: Generation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

@runwchrist on Instagram
Website coming soon: runwchrist.org

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 77
Series: A Called Generation

Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT, this episode features special guest Ali Parsons, licensed minister at the Church of Eleven22 and founder and host of the podcast, ‘Neighbors’.

Your personality isn’t an obstacle; it’s a clue to your calling.

In this engaging episode, Carrie and Ali explore the dynamic relationship between who you are and what you’re called to do. Through honest conversation and practical wisdom, they unpack how your personality traits, those quirks, passions, and even struggles, are intentional gifts, designed to help you thrive in your unique purpose.

You’ll explore:

• How embracing your God-given wiring paves the way for greater clarity in your calling
• Misconceptions about personality and purpose (and why you don’t have to fit a mold to make an impact)
• Ali’s journey of learning to lead authentically, and how her personal story shaped her ministry path
• Tangible steps to align your strengths with your mission, no matter your Enneagram type, introvert/extrovert status, or background

Whether you’ve ever wondered, “Am I too much…or not enough?”, this episode will remind you that you’re built for this. Discover how your individuality is the key to living out your calling with confidence and freedom.

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Host:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Guest:

Ali Parsons, Licensed Minister, Church of Eleven22 and Founder/Host of Neighbors Podcast

Category: Generation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Ali’s Instagram
Neighbors Podcast Instagram
Neighbors Podcast

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 76
Series: A Called Generation

Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential, this episode features special guest Elyse Mahan, preacher, campus pastor at Church For The One, author, and well-known encourager with a story as real as it gets.

Every setback, every victory, every messy middle – none of it was wasted.

In this candid and hope-filled episode, Carrie sits down with Elyse to unpack how your past, with all its twists, turns, and surprises, has been essential preparation for where you are now and where you’re called to go next.

Elyse draws from her rich experiences as a pastor’s kid in Australia, her season of heartbreak and fresh starts, and her passion for seeing people come alive in faith and purpose. With vulnerability and wisdom, she shares how God can use even our most unexpected chapters as training ground for our calling.

You’ll discover:

• Why your history, even the parts you’d rather forget, has equipped you for today’s opportunities and challenges
• How to move beyond shame or regret and find meaning in every season
• Stories of trusting God through heartbreak, healing, and new beginnings
• Practical steps to use your unique journey as fuel for your future

Whether you feel stuck, disqualified, or are simply craving a little hope, this conversation will remind you: your past was preparation. Nothing is wasted, and you’re right on time for all that’s to come.

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Host:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Guest:

Elyse Mahan, Preacher, Church for the One

Category: Generation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Elyse’s Instagram

elysemurphy.com

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 75
Series: A Called Generation

Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential, with special guest Brad Lomenick, leadership consultant, speaker, founder of BLINC, and author of The Catalyst Leader and H3 Leadership, this episode kicks off the series with a powerful reminder:

Purpose is the why. Calling is the how.

You were born for this moment. In this episode, Carrie and Brad unpack what it means to live with purpose (your “why”) and how your current season, no matter how uncertain or unexpected, can be the very place where your calling (your “how”) starts to take shape.

Together, they explore:

• Why your life and experiences are uniquely positioned for this time
• How to recognize purpose in your present, even if it feels messy or unclear
• The difference between discovering your purpose and walking out your calling
• Practical ways to start moving in purpose, right where you are

No matter where your at on your journey, this episode will encourage you to stop waiting for clarity and start living with intention. You have a “why” and your “how” begins now.

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Host:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Guest:

Brad Lomenick, Former President of Catalyst, Founder of H3 Leadership

Category: Generation NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

H3 Leadership Podcast

H3 Leadership: Be Humble. Stay Hungry. Always Hustle

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 74
Series: Church Expressions NEXT

What if church planting wasn’t tied to a place—but to a people? In this episode, we explore the innovative world of affinity church planting—a model focused on reaching specific communities rather than geographic regions. Join us as we hear from Stephen Barr, founder of Cast Member Church, which ministers to Walt Disney Company employees around the world, and Victor Glover, leader of Fathers on the Move, a movement planting churches within federal and state prisons. Through powerful stories and practical insight, they share how relational discipleship, hospitality, and trust-building can lead to deep spiritual transformation—often in places the traditional church may not reach. This conversation challenges conventional models and invites you to imagine how God might be calling you to minister to the people you’re uniquely positioned to reach.

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Hosts:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential

Guests:

Steven Barr, Co-Founder & Visionary Leader, Cast Member Church

Victor Glover, CEO/Executive Director, Fathers on the Move

Category: Church Expressions NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Fathers on the Move website

Last Days World Outreach Ministries website

Cast Member Church website

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 73
Series: Church Expressions NEXT

Can a church actually grow by getting smaller? Join Bill Couchenour as he sits down with Jason Shepperd, founder of Church Project in The Woodlands, Texas, to uncover the secrets to Network Church Planting. Explore the power of relational communities, discover how to cultivate leaders from within, and learn how to use your church building as a shared resource for the community. For pastors curious about transitioning from traditional church models, Jason offers thoughtful advice: start small, lead with biblical conviction, and let the vision take root gradually. This episode invites you to rethink what it means to plant—and multiply—churches in ways that are relational, reproducible, and rooted in everyday life.

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Host:

Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential

Guest:

Jason Shepperd, Founder and Lead Pastor, Church Project

Category: Church Expressions NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

A Church of House Churches: An Articulated and Applied Ecclesiology

Church Project

Rethink and Return Podcast

Good. God. Gospel.

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 72
Series: Church Expressions NEXT

Forget the building, forget the budget – what if all you needed was your neighbors? Join Brian Johnson and Rob Wegner, leaders of the Kansas City Underground, as they share their powerful journey into microchurch planting. The Kansas City Underground equips people to live as missionaries in their own networks through rhythms of prayer, listening, eating, serving, and storytelling. Microchurches—defined as extended spiritual families—emerge from these relational networks, led by unpaid leaders who embrace the mission of Jesus in everyday life. Discover how to empower everyday believers to lead, foster authentic community, and live out the mission of Jesus in their own circles. This episode will challenge your assumptions and inspire you to see ministry opportunities all around you.

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Hosts:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential

Guests:

Rob Wegner, Co-Founder and Director, KC Underground

Brian Johnson, Co-Founder and Director, KC Underground

Category: Church Expressions NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

KC Underground

KC Underground YouTube Channel

StarfishyoU Substack

Extraordinary Prayer – Exponential eBook

Deeply Rooted – Exponential eBook

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 71
Series: Church Expressions NEXT

What happens when church planting takes an unexpected turn—and it’s exactly what God intended? In this episode, hosts Carrie Williams and Bill Couchenour talk with Justin and Janae Klatt, founders of Imagine Church Global, a fully digital faith community born from obedience and innovation. What began as a traditional church plant in Phoenix shifted online when the Klatts realized people across the country wanted to join—but couldn’t move. Through Spirit-led moments and creative risk-taking, Imagine Church Global emerged as a week-long, app-based experience where “community builders” lead flexible, discussion-driven gatherings. This model reaches those often excluded from physical churches—like flight attendants, RVers, or the homebound around the country and around the world. This episode is a powerful reminder that God moves in unexpected ways—and that new expressions of the Church can meet people right where they are.

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Hosts:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential

Guests:

Justin Klatt – Co-Founder and Co-Pastor, Imagine Church Global

Janae Klatt – Co-Founder and Co-Pastor, Imagine Church Global

Category: Church Expressions NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Imagine Church

janae@imagine.church

justin@imagine.church

Imagine Church Instagram

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 70
Series: Church Expressions NEXT

What if your church could fight hunger AND fuel your soul? Discover the forward-thinking approach of entrepreneurial church planting with our guests, Carl Johnson and Scott Woller. These innovative leaders are embedding their churches in the heart of their communities, using coffee shops, grocery stores, and workforce development programs as powerful expressions of their mission. Whether you’re a church planter, pastor, or just curious about new models of ministry, this episode will challenge and inspire you to think beyond the building—and plant churches that meet people where they are.

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Hosts:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential

Guests:

Carl Johnson, Lead Pastor, Faith City Church Network

Scott Woller, Pastor/Planting Pastor, Corner Church

Category: Church Expressions NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Faith City Church

scott@cornerchurch.tv

Corner Coffee

Corner Church

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 69
Series: Church Expressions NEXT

Is your church ready to reach more people in more places? Dive into the world of multisite church with Christy Gibas, Lead Pastor of The Table Church. Drawing from her own leadership journey, Christy offers a behind-the-scenes look at how her church has reproduced its ministry into multiple locations. She unpacks the vision, strategy, and lessons learned along the way—offering practical insights for any church exploring the multisite church planting model. Don’t miss this inspiring conversation about growth, leadership, and multiplying ministry impact.

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Hosts:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential

Guest:

Christy Gibas, Lead Pastor, The Table Church

Category: Church Expressions NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

The Table Church – Disciple-Making Tools

Start a Table Crash Course

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 68
Series: Church Expressions NEXT

In this episode, join hosts Carrie Williams and Bill Couchenour as they sit down with Léonce Crump—Co-Founder and Senior Pastor of United Church—for an honest and inspiring conversation about traditional church planting. From his journey in the NFL to his calling into vocational ministry, Léonce opens up about the path that led him to plant a traditional church. He shares not only his personal story, but also the realities of starting, leading, and sustaining a church in today’s cultural landscape. Tune in for a moving conversation about calling, perseverance, and the complex, rewarding journey of church planting.

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Hosts:

Carrie Williams, Executive Director, Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour, Deployment Director, Exponential

Guest:

Léonce Crump, Co-Founder and Senior Pastor, United Church

Category: Church Expressions NEXT

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Resource mentioned in this episode:

United Church

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 67
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

In this episode Inés Velásquez-McBryd shares her journey to becoming a church planter and lead pastor. She also shares about the lessons learned and the community impact of leading a church through challenging seasons!

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Hosts:

Sue Ferguson, Women NEXT, Co-Director

Lori Ruffin, Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guest:

Inés Velásquez-McBryde, The Church We Hope For, Co-Founder & Lead Pastor

Category: Women NEXT

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Resource mentioned in this episode:

The Church We Hope For

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 66
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

What does it mean to go first—when no one who looks like you has gone before? In this episode of the the series, Sue and Lori talk with Rev. Dr. Kate Coleman—the first Black woman ordained as a Baptist minister in the UK—and Rev. Cham Kaur-Mann—the first and only Asian woman minister in the Baptist Union of Great Britain. Together, they reflect on the challenges of being first, what they’ve learned, and the legacy they hope to leave for women in ministry.

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Hosts:

Sue Ferguson, Women NEXT, Co-Director

Lori Ruffin, Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guests:

Rev. Dr. Kate Coleman, Founding Director, Next Leadership

Rev. Cham Kaur-Mann, Co-Director, Next Leadership

Category: Women NEXT

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Resource mentioned in this episode:

Metamorph by Kate Coleman

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 65
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

Molly answered God’s call to move her family to Denver with a heart for reaching the lonely and lost young adults living there. By using some need unique connecting strategies that do not include Sunday gatherings Molly and her team are having a huge impact through The Brook. Molly also shares some valuable things she learned about herself and her leadership along the way!

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Hosts:

Sue Ferguson, Women NEXT, Co-Director

Lori Ruffin, Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guest:

Molly Soderstrom, The Brook, Co-Founder and Executive Director

Category: Women NEXT

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Resource mentioned in this episode:

The Brook

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 64
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

To fully represent the Imago Dei it requires both men and women stepping into their calling and using thier gifts. Join us as we have a candid conversation with two amazing leaders doing just that!

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Hosts:

Sue Ferguson, Women NEXT, Co-Director

Lori Ruffin, Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guests:

Efrem Smith, Midtown Church, Co-Lead Senior Pastor

Susie Gamez, Midtown Church, Co-Lead Senior Pastor

Category: Women NEXT

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Resource mentioned in this episode:

Exponential Women NEXT

Midtown Church

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 63
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

While many of us lead within our church community, Mimi Chan felt God calling her to lead in her corporate job at Amazon! In this episode Mimi will share how God led her to start Christians at Amazon, and how He has grown into a international movement!

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Hosts:

Sue Ferguson, Women NEXT, Co-Director

Lori Ruffin, Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guest:

Mimi Chan, Amazon Books, Head of Events Marketing

Category: Women NEXT

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 62
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

Sometimes ministry takes a turn we didn’t expect. Sometimes that change leaves us lost, hurting, and even angry. In this episode, Katrina Boatright shares what God taught her about finding healing and new purpose after an unexpected turn.

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Hosts:

Sue Ferguson, Women NEXT, Co-Director

Lori Ruffin, Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guest:

Katrina Boatright, Distinctive Daughters, Founder

Category: Women NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Katrina’s Website

Distinctive Daughters

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 61
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

In ministry, change is to be expected. We watch people come and go, leaders change lanes, and even the structures of our ministries or churches change. But what is it like to navigate our own transitions out of long held roles into new God-given opportunities? Join Lori, Sue, and guest Janet McMahon as they discuss big transitions they’ve each walked through.

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Hosts:

Sue Ferguson, Women NEXT, Co-Director

Lori Ruffin, Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guest:

Janet McMahon, CarePortal, Kansas City Metro Area Director

Category: Women NEXT

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Resource mentioned in this episode:

CarePortal

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 60
Series: Digital Discipleship

Being part of a church is so much more than just consuming spiritual content. Yet, we all know there are people—both online and in person—who are simply there to consume.

In this conversation with Matt Welty, we discuss how Crossroads Church in Cincinnati got into online ministry and how Matt has pioneered the Crossroads Anywhere initiative. Their church, which gathers more than 20,000 people each weekend, has experimented with countless online strategies. Matt shares his greatest insights from leading Crossroads Anywhere and what he’s learned along the way.

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Host:

Mark Lutz, Digital Church NEXT, Director

Guest:

Matt Welty, Crossroads Church, Director of Studio

Category: Digital Church NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Exponential YouTube Channel

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 59
Series: Digital Discipleship

From a landlocked church in rural Indiana, Tyler Sansom has led First Capital Church and Church Anywhere to plant campuses around the world—despite limited resources, but with incredible impact.

In this conversation, we explore how digital tools like Church Anywhere’s web platform are bringing the Gospel to the nations. Tyler’s story is a powerful reminder that when we trust God and step out in faith, the possibilities are limitless—and the best part? Anyone can do it.

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Host:

Mark Lutz, Digital Church NEXT, Director

Guest:

Tyler Sansom, First Capital Christian Church, Lead Pastor

Category: Digital Church NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Exponential YouTube Channel

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 58
Series: Digital Discipleship

We’re at the dawn of a new era of personalized technological intelligence, and the possibilities are startling. From AI-driven innovations to groundbreaking applications in ministry, the future is unfolding faster than we ever imagined.

Join us for a conversation with Kenny Jahng, a leader on the cutting edge of AI, as he unpacks how these advancements could transform your life and ministry in ways you won’t believe.

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Host:

Mark Lutz, Digital Church NEXT, Director

Guest:

Kenny Jahng, AI NEXT, Director

Category: Digital Church NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 57
Series: Digital Discipleship

How do we theologically navigate a world where we are creating a new form of intelligence in our own image? With the rise of AI and large language models, the Church must wrestle with profound questions about technology, humanity, and faith.

Join us for a thought-provoking conversation with philosopher and theologian York Moore as we explore the implications of AI for the future of the church. If you’re leading a church in the next decade, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss.

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Host:

Mark Lutz, Digital Church NEXT, Director

Guest:

York Moore, CEO and President of the Coalition for Christian Outreach

Category: Digital Church NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 56
Series: Digital Discipleship

You might not expect someone who has managed billions of dollars in church building projects to be passionate about digital ministry—but Nathan Artt is. Having experienced its impact firsthand, he sees digital ministry as a vital part of the church’s future, both online and in physical spaces.

Join us for a fascinating conversation on how the digital realm can be seamlessly woven into church buildings and in-person gatherings to create a more connected and effective ministry.

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Host:

Mark Lutz, Digital Church NEXT, Director

Guest:

Nathan Artt, Ministry Solutions Group, Principal & Founder

Category: Digital Church NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 55
Series: Digital Discipleship

Live streaming is just the beginning—true digital ministry goes far beyond broadcasting. Join us for a conversation with Jason Morris as we explore how to move beyond the livestream and into authentic, transformative discipleship in the online space.

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Host:

Mark Lutz, Digital Church NEXT, Director

Guest:

Jason Morris, The Church.Digital, Equipping and Mobilization Director

Category: Digital Church NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 54
Series: Digital Discipleship

Saddleback Church is one of the most influential churches in the world, and for years, Jay Kranda has been at the forefront of its digital ministry. With unparalleled experience in leading online church communities, Jay has helped shape the future of digital discipleship.

Join us for an insightful conversation as we discuss the evolution of online ministry at Saddleback, how new campuses have emerged through their digital presence, and what the future holds for church engagement in virtual reality.

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Host:

Mark Lutz, Digital Church NEXT, Director

Guest:

Jay Kranda, Saddleback Church, Innovative Tech Pastor

Category: Digital Church NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 53
Series: Multiethnic Church Planting

For this episode, join our conversation with missiologist Daniel Yang as he shares how the world is coming to us through immigration. We also talk about the tremendous need and value of planting immigrant churches, as well as ethnic specific churches, to reach all the nations.

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Hosts:

Len Tang – Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT, Director

Corey Lee – Fuller Church Planting Initiative, Director of Content and Partnerships

Guest:

Daniel Yang – World Relief, National Director of Churches of Welcome

Category: Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT

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Resource mentioned in this episode:

Daniel Yang’s Seminary Now course, Church Planting for the Future

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 52
Series: Multiethnic Church Planting

In this episode, sociologist Korie Little shares her research and practical insights into how planters of color can heal and overcome the racial challenges to lead healthy multiethnic churches.

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Hosts:

Len Tang – Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT, Director

Corey Lee – Fuller Church Planting Initiative, Director of Content and Partnerships

Guest:

Korie Little – Ohio State University, Associate Professor of Sociology

Category: Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT

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Resource mentioned in this episode:

“Estranged Pioneers” by Korie Little

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 51
Series: Multiethnic Church Planting

In this conversation, Troy Evans shares that, in a time of diminishing congregational giving, multiethnic planters need strong partnerships to develop multiple streams of income. We’ll explore examples of life-giving partnerships and emerging funding models to launch financially healthy churches, including intentional bi-vocational options.

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Hosts:

Len Tang – Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT, Director

Corey Lee – Fuller Church Planting Initiative, Director of Content and Partnerships

Guest:

Troy Evans – Nitrogen Network, President

Category: Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT

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Resource mentioned in this episode:

Nitrogen Network

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 50
Series: Multiethnic Church Planting

In this episode, we welcome Soong-Chan Rah as he shares his insights on how multiethnic church plants can draw out the distinctive gifts and strengths of the congregation. Learn how multiethnic church plants can integrate the reconcilation and justice of Jesus with a winsome evangelistic witness.

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Hosts:

Len Tang – Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT, Director

Corey Lee – Fuller Church Planting Initiative, Director of Content and Partnerships

Guest:

Soong-Chan Rah – Fuller Theological Seminary, Professor of Evangelism

Category: Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 49
Series: Multiethnic Church Planting

Join us as Len Tang and Corey Lee have a conversation with Heidy Tandy, Senior Director of Discovery at Stadia. Heidy shares what Stadia has learned from revamping their church planter assessment process to include diverse planters and church planting models.

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Hosts:

Len Tang – Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT, Director

Corey Lee – Fuller Church Planting Initiative, Director of Content and Partnerships

Guest:

Heidy Tandy – Stadia, Senior Director of Discovery

Category: Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT

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Resource mentioned in this episode:

Stadia Discovery Center

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 48
Series: Multiethnic Church Planting

In this episode, Dhati Lewis from MyBlvd joins Len Tang and Corey Lee as they discuss the specific kind of training that diverse, urban missionaries, and planters need to reach their communities.

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Hosts:

Len Tang – Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT, Director

Corey Lee – Fuller Church Planting Initiative, Director of Content and Partnerships

Guest:

Dhati Lewis – MyBlvd, Founder

Category: Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

My Blvd

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 47
Series:Multiethnic Church Planting

Our multiethnic church planting conversation begins with the leaders of the Multiethnic Collaborative, a group of church planting leaders of color seeking to raise up the next generation of diverse church planters.

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Host:

Len Tang – Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT, Director

Corey Lee – Fuller Church Planting Initiative, Director of Content and Partnerships

Guests:

Chris Brooks – Clarendon Capital Ventures, Co-Founder

Daniel Yang – World Relief, National Director of Churches of Welcome

Lori Ruffin – Women NEXT, Co-Director

Mozart Dixon – Stadia, VP of Planter Services and Products

Category: Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Multiethnic Collaborative

“Estranged Pioneers” by Korie Little Edwards

“Attending Exponential While Black” Exponential NEXT article by Corey Lee

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 46
Series: What’s Next With AI for Churches?

In this episode of What’s NEXT with AI for Churches?, Kenny Jahng interviews Jay Owen, Executive Director at The Church of Eleven22, to discuss how artificial intelligence is reshaping the landscape of church ministry. They explore practical applications that the church is pursuing with AI, share real-life examples of cost-effective innovations, and talk about what’s next in AI for ministry leaders.

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Host:

Kenny Jahng – AI NEXT Director

Guest:

Jay Owen, Church of Eleven22, Executive Director of Communication and Digital Discipleship

Category: AI NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

AI with Jay – A hub for Jay Owen’s practical AI strategies and tools.

Claude: AI for writing, coding, and more.

Kudo AI: live translation and accessibility live captioning

Bolt.new: No-code app builder for custom solutions.

Lovable.dev: Create AI-powered apps quickly.

Synthesia: AI video creation for training and presentations.

RepurposeYourSermon.com: Learn how to use AI tools to create 10+ different repurposed forms of content.

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 45
Series: What’s Next With AI for Churches?

In this episode, Jason Malec, Director of Gloo AI, sits down with host Kenny Jahng to explore the parallels between Napster’s disruption of the music industry and today’s AI-driven challenges for content creators. Jason shares a compelling vision for protecting intellectual property in a digital age, outlining principles like consent, credit, and compensation to ensure creators retain control and honor over their work. Pastors, ministry leaders, and content creators will gain practical insights into stewarding AI tools ethically while leveraging their potential for Kingdom impact. Don’t miss this timely conversation on navigating technology with integrity and innovation.

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Host:

Kenny Jahng – AI NEXT Director

Guest:

Jason Malec, Gloo AI, Director

Category: AI NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Jason’s Article on The Napster Moment

Gloo AI

AI NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 44
Series: What’s Next With AI for Churches?

In this episode, Kenny Jahng sits down with Corey Alderin, founder of Sermon Shots, to discuss how AI can help churches extend the reach of their sermons far beyond Sunday. Corey shares how his innovative platform makes it simple to transform sermons into impactful short-form videos, devotionals, and global outreach tools in just minutes. From practical tips on leveraging social media to insights on dispelling AI misconceptions, this episode is packed with actionable strategies for pastors and church leaders looking to engage their communities and share the Gospel more effectively online. Don’t miss Corey’s inspiring vision for the future of AI in ministry.

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Host:

Kenny Jahng – AI NEXT Director

Guest:

Corey Alderin – Sermon Shots, Founder

Category: AI NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Corey Alderin’s personal site

SermonShots.com

RepurposeYourSermon.com

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 43
Series: What’s Next With AI for Churches?

Dive into this episode of the AI NEXT series, What’s NEXT with AI for Churches? where host Kenny Jahng sits down with James Poulter, Head of AI at House 337, to explore how artificial intelligence is reshaping ministry, society, and relationships. From conversational AI to artificial general intelligence (AGI), this episode tackles the ethical, practical, and spiritual implications of AI—and what it all means for church leaders.

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Host:

Kenny Jahng – AI NEXT Director

Guest:

James Poulter, House337, Head of AI & Innovation

Category: AI NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

ChatGPTforChurches.com

AI for Church Leaders & Pastors Facebook Group

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 42
Series: What’s Next With AI for Churches?

In this episode of What’s Next with AI for Churches?, AI NEXT Director, Kenny Jahng sits down with Jason Moore, author of the book, AI and the Church, to explore the real opportunities and challenges of AI in ministry. Jason breaks down common misconceptions, addresses ethical concerns like data privacy, and highlights how AI can assist—not replace—church leaders. From practical use cases that save time to tips for fostering open conversations about AI in your church, this episode offers a balanced, no-hype perspective on navigating this powerful technology. Don’t miss Jason’s insights on the future of AI and how churches can embrace it responsibly and creatively.

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Host:

Kenny Jahng – AI NEXT Director

Guest:

Jason Moore, Midnight Oil Productions, Principal

Category: AI NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

AI & The Church

Midnight Oil Productions

ChatGPTforChurches.com

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 41
Series: What’s Next With AI for Churches?

In this episode, Kenny Jahng, Director of AI NEXT, interviews Natchi Lazarus, an internationally recognized expert in faith-based marketing and AI innovation. Together, they dive into a powerful and often-overlooked opportunity: how church leaders can leverage AI to become true digital disruptors and pioneers in the crowded world of social media and content creation. The conversation revolves around a critical question: How can the church maintain authenticity and lead in a digital age dominated by AI-generated content and attention scarcity? Natchi shares his journey from media and marketing into faith-based work, highlighting how the emergence of AI represents not just a technological shift, but an opportunity for ministries to redefine their presence and influence. He offers specific, actionable insights on how AI can amplify the church’s impact while preserving its mission, and the surprising ways ministries can set a new standard for trust in an era where authenticity is often questioned.

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Host:

Kenny Jahng – AI NEXT Director

Guest:

Natchi Lazarus, co-founder of Open Minds Digital Agency & Connected Church Academy

Category: AI NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

AI Tools: Perplexity, ChatGPT, Syllaby

Book: The Connected Church

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 40
Series: What’s Next With AI for Churches?

In this episode, host Kenny Jahng sits down with Brian Beauford, Executive Pastor at Grace Church, to explore how pastors can use AI to repurpose their sermons into powerful, engaging content. Learn how to transform long-form sermons into short video clips, blog posts, discussion guides, daily devotionals, and more—reaching your congregation and beyond throughout the week. Packed with practical tools, creative ideas, and actionable tips, this conversation will help you maximize your content’s impact while saving time and energy. Don’t miss this opportunity to discover how AI can supercharge your ministry’s reach.

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Host:

Kenny Jahng – AI NEXT Director

Guest:

Brian Beauford – Executive Pastor, Grace Church

Category: AI NEXT

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Resources mentioned in this episode:

Productive Pastor: productivepastor.com

Repurpose Your Sermon: repurposeyoursermon.com

SermonShots Repurposing Tool: SermonShots.com

Free transcription tool: riverside.fm/transcription

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 39
Series: Snapshots of Innovation

Episode Description: In this episode, we talk with Dave Miller, co-founder of Leadership Pathway and Cliff Forbes, Executive Director of Trellis Churches. Both of these organizations are rethinking leadership development for the next generation through an innovative approach to funding, training, and equipping future pastors and leaders.

Explore NEXT Ventures and our portfolio of projects at exponential.org/ventures.

Host: Jon Wiest – NEXT Ventures, Director

Guests:

Dave Miller – Leadership Pathway, Co-Founder

Cliff Forbes – Trellis Churches, Executive Director

Category: NEXT Ventures

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 38
Series: Snapshots of Innovation

In this episode, we have a conversation with Drew Cline, a pastor and church planter in Little Rock, AR that successfully relaunched a historic legacy church and is now reinventing the ministry once again through South City 2.0/317 Coffee & Cafe. We also hear from Joel Lutz, Executive Director of mosaiXmultiply, an organization helping to plant hundreds of multi-cultural churches around the globe.

Explore NEXT Ventures and our portfolio of projects at exponential.org/ventures.

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Host:

Jon Wiest – NEXT Ventures Director

Guests:

Drew Cline – South City Church, Lead Pastor

Joel Lutz – mosaiXmultiply, Executive Director

Category: NEXT Ventures

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 37
Series: Snapshots of Innovation

In this episode, we chat with Jordan Bochinski, one of the founders of the Collide Conference now reaching thousands of young adults in Canada. Jordan shares his story of revival and life transformation in this post-Christian country. We then talk with Emilee Westervelt, Executive Director of The Lovely Project, a non-profit empowering young women in midde schools and high schools across central Florida.

Explore NEXT Ventures and our portfolio of projects at exponential.org/ventures.

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Host:

Jon Wiest – NEXT Ventures Director

Guests:

Jordan Bochinski – Co-Director/Founder, Collide Conference

Emilee Westervelt – Executive Director, The Lovely Project

Category: NEXT Ventures

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 36
Series: Snapshots of Innovation

In this episode, we begin with an interview with Greg Atkinson, founder of EntreChurch, a ministry that helps pastors and churches rethink missional engagement by starting and supporting local businesses. We then hear the story of Carl Johnson, an entrepreneurial pastor in St. Paul, MN, who has a passion to “vigorously plant churches in impoverished communities” through an entrepreneurial approach with Faith City Church Network.

Explore NEXT Ventures and our portfolio of projects at exponential.org/ventures.

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Host:

Jon Wiest – NEXT Ventures Director

Guests:

Greg Atkinson – Founder, EntreChurch

Carl Johnson – Lead Pastor, Faith City Church

Category: NEXT Ventures

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 35
Series: Snapshots of Innovation

In our second episode of this series, we feature Victor Glover, CEO of Fathers on the Move, an organization empowering formerly incarcerated men to lead their families and churches on purpose. We will also learn from Akram Hadeed, an app developer and the founder of Streets of Prayer, whose audacious dream is to cover every street in the world with prayer by 2030.

Explore NEXT Ventures and our portfolio of projects at exponential.org/ventures.

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Host:

Jon Wiest – NEXT Ventures Director

Guests:

Victor Glover – CEO, Fathers on the Move

Akram Hadeed – Founder, Streets of Prayer

Category: NEXT Ventures

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 34
Series: Snapshots of Innovation

In our first episode, we will feature Josh Dotzler, CEO of Abide Ministries in Omaha, Nebraska. Josh is pioneering a new approach to cultivating God’s presence in the city by purchasing and renovating distressed homes and then placing families to reach their neighborhoods for Christ through Lighthouse Project. Our second conversation is with Juan Chavez, Director of AZ Reach in Phoenix, AZ who has launched a mentoring ministry in inner city schools that’s bearing much fruit.

Explore NEXT Ventures and our portfolio of projects at exponential.org/ventures.

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Host:

Jon Wiest – NEXT Ventures Director

Guests:

Josh Dotzler – CEO of Abide Ministries

Juan Chavez – Director of AZ Reach

Category: NEXT Ventures

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 33
Series: Becoming a Future-Ready Church

Church leaders will need to learn how to embrace the many modes of church and work collaboratively with others to transform a community. In the first half of this episode, co-authors Daniel Yang, Warren Bird and Adelle Banks discuss models that range from mega to micro — and some that are both.

As the conversation continues, the co-authors provide a “next steps” overview of the shifts proposed in the book Becoming a Future-Ready Church.

To pre-order your copy of Becoming a Future-Ready Church, click HERE

Hosts:

Daniel Yang – World Relief, National Director of Churches of Welcome

Warren Bird – ECFA, Senior Vice President of Research

Adelle Banks – Religion News Service, Projects Editor & National Reporter

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 32
Series: Becoming a Future-Ready Church

This episode opens up with a discussion between Warren Bird, Daniel Yang, and Adelle Banks, co-authors of the upcoming book Becoming a Future-Ready Church. The co-authors talk about how the role of race and ethnicity will become strongly linked to how God will use the Gospel to bless every “tribe and language and people and nation.”

The episode continues with a conversation between Adelle Banks and Justin and Janae Klatt, co-lead pastors of Imagine Church. In the future, digital technologies will redefine people’s perception of “real life” and their sense of social identity. Imagine Church is spotlighted in this discussion.

To pre-order your copy of Becoming a Future-Ready Church, click HERE

Hosts:

Daniel Yang – World Relief, National Director of Churches of Welcome

Warren Bird – ECFA, Senior Vice President of Research

Adelle Banks – Religion News Service, Projects Editor & National Reporter

Guests:

Justin Klatt – Imagine Church Global, Co-Founder and Co-Pastor

Janae Klatt – Imagine Church Global, Co-Founder and Co-Pastor

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 31
Series: Becoming a Future-Ready Church

This episode kicks off with Adelle Banks engaging in a conversation with Rosario “Roz” Picardo, founding pastor and co-pastor of Mosaic Church. Their discussion focuses on the idea that churches must develop a new depth of hospitality—far more than an usher’s welcome or a cup of coffee after worship. The episode continues with the co-authors, Warren Bird, Daniel Yang, and Adelle Banks sharing how church leaders will need to read Scripture with a heightened awareness that rising generations are eager to apply the implications of the Gospel that speak to social justice.

To pre-order your copy of Becoming a Future-Ready Church, click HERE

Hosts:

Daniel Yang – World Relief, National Director of Churches of Welcome

Warren Bird – ECFA, Senior Vice President of Research

Adelle Banks – Religion News Service, Projects Editor & National Reporter

Guests:

Rosario ‘Roz’ Picardo – Co-Pastor, Mosaic Church, Beavercreek, OH

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 30
Series: Becoming a Future-Ready Church

In the first part of this episode, Adelle Banks talks to Carl Johnson, Lead Pastor of Faith City Church. They discuss how family life is changing, specifically engaging the social factors that disrupt traditional family life. Faith City Church is spotlighted.

As we continue with this episode, Warren Bird, Daniel Yang, and Adelle Banks, co-authors of Becoming a Future-Ready Church, discuss how the Gospel’s credibility depends on both the message and the messenger. Going forward, most church discussions about the Gospel will first need to address the skepticism or apathy triggered by the listener’s distrust and previous experiences.

To pre-order your copy of Becoming a Future-Ready Church, click HERE

Hosts:

Adelle Banks – Religion News Service, Projects Editor & National Reporter

Daniel Yang – World Relief, National Director of Churches of Welcome

Warren Bird – ECFA, Senior Vice President of Research

Guest:

Carl Johnson – Faith City Church, Lead Pastor

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 29
Series: Becoming a Future-Ready Church

In the first half of this episode, co-authors Warren Bird, Daniel Yang and Adelle Banks share about who they are, why they wrote the book, Becoming a Future-Ready Church, the large trends that they are writing about, and why it matters for church leaders.

In the second half of the episode, the co-authors discuss how churches are shifting from focusing on attendance to creating a sense of attachment, and describe Life.Church as an example of this shift.

To pre-order your copy of Becoming a Future-Ready Church, click HERE

Hosts:

Daniel Yang – World Relief, National Director of Churches of Welcome

Warren Bird – ECFA, Senior Vice President of Research

Adelle Banks – Religion News Service, Projects Editor & National Reporter

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Category: Generation NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 28
Series: The Future of Multiplication

What are some new and innovative ways to reach people right in your own community? Molly Soderstrom and Scott Woller join us to talk about how they are planting churches through innovative approaches that are reaching and discipling people in their own neighborhoods. Molly and Scott also share some of their biggest challenges in trying something ‘new’ and how they have addressed them in their own contexts.

For more information about the resources discussed in this episode please visit the links below:
The Brook website – https://www.thebrook.city/
Corner Church website – https://www.corner.church/

Hosts:
Carrie Williams – Exponential, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT
Bill Couchenour – Exponential, Deployment Director

Guests:
Scott Woller – Corner Church, Pastor / Planting Pastor
Molly Soderstrom – The Brook, Co-Founder and Executive Director

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 27
Series: The Future of Multiplication

How do you leverage digital spaces to reach more people for the Kingdom? Mark Lutz and Michael Uzdavines join us in this episode to discuss how church multiplication is happening in the digital space. They provide their insights into why it is important for leaders to consider digital as a part of their strategy now and in the future. Mark and Michael also share about their experiences of how to make disciples and build community in the digital space.

For more about the resources/information discussed in this episode please visit the links below:

https://cornerstoneyc.com/

Hosts:

Carrie Williams – Exponential, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour – Exponential, Deployment Director

Guests:

Mark Lutz – Lux Digital Church, Founder and Lead Pastor

Michael Uzdavines – Cornerstone Church of Yuba City, Metaverse Pastor

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 26
Series: The Future of Multiplication

Multi-ethnic church planting is, and will be, playing a huge role in church multiplication. In this episode, we are joined by Len Tang and Mark DeYmaz who are both engaged in multi-ethnic church planting. Along with sharing their knowledge and experience about this approach, they also discuss the challenges faced by multi-ethnic church planters and potential strategies to overcome those challenges.

For more about the resources/information discussed in this episode please visit the links below:

Korie Edwards book, “Estranged Pioneers”

The Multiethnic Council that is seeking to equip planters of color – churchplanting.fuller.edu/multiethniccouncil/

Mosaix website – https://mosaix.info/

Hosts:

Carrie Williams – Exponential, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour – Exponential, Deployment Director

Guests:

Len Tang – Fuller Theological Seminary, Director of the Church Planting Initiative

Mark DeYmaz – Mosaix Multiethnic Church Institute, Director

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 25
Series: The Future of Multiplication

Are there spaces and places where church planting is happening that you have not even thought about? We are joined by Troy Evans and Ryan Hill, two practitioners who are engaged in planting churches in places that would be considered off the beaten path. Troy and Ryan share their experiences in their church planting contexts and why we should all consider these places as a vital part of the future of multiplication.

For more about the resources/information discussed in this episode, please visit the links below:

Nitrogen Urban Network website: www.nitrogennetwork.org

Salt Network website: www.thesaltnetwork.com

Hosts:

Carrie Williams – Exponential, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour – Exponential, Deployment Director

Guests:

Troy Evans – Nitrogen Urban Network, President

Ryan Hill – Salt Network, Executive Director

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 24
Series: The Future of Multiplication

What is multisite and what does it look like to do multisite church planting? Joining us in this episode are Jim Tomberlin and Ken Primeau. They share their insight and experience on how multisite church contributes to church multiplication. Jim and Ken answer questions like… “Why multisite?”, “How do you know when it is the right time to launch a campus?” and “How do you determine where to plant?”.

For more about the resources/information discussed in this episode, please visit the links below:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimtomberlin/

Hosts:

Carrie Williams – Exponential, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour – Exponential, Deployment Director

Guests:

Jim Tomberlin – MultiSite Solutions, Founder and CEO

Ken Primeau- Multiply Indiana, Operations Director

Category: Church NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 23
Series: The Future of Multiplication

In this episode, Hugh Halter and Taylor McCall sit down with us to discuss what it means to do church planting as an ecosystem. Hugh and Taylor will share their personal journeys and what sparked their vision toward church planting as an ecosystem. We will walk through the reasons why church as an ecosystem will be a key part of the future of multiplication.

For more information about the resources discussed in this episode please visit the links below:

• Book – “Brave Cities: The Archeology, Artistry, and Architecture of Kingdom Ecosystems“
• Brave Cities Website

Hosts:

Carrie Williams – Exponential, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour – Exponential, Deployment Director

Guests:

Hugh Halter and Taylor McCall – Brave Cities

Category: Church NEXT

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‘For more information about the resources discussed in this episode please visit the links below:
Book- ‘Brave Cities: The Archeology, Artistry, and Architecture of Kingdom Ecosystems’
Brave Cities Website: https://bravecities.com

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 22
Series: The Future of Multiplication

What is the data telling us? In this kickoff to our Future of Multiplication Series, we have a conversation with Warren Bird, Senior Vice President of Research and Equipping for ECFA (the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability). Together we discuss what the data is telling us right now that will ultimately affect the future of multiplication.

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Hosts:

Carrie Williams – Exponential, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT

Bill Couchenour – Exponential, Deployment Director

Guest: Warren Bird – Senior Vice President of Research and Equipping for ECFA

New Faces of Church Planting Report – https://www.ecfa.org/PDF/NewFacesofChurchPlanting_Executive%20Summary_2022.pdf

Category: Church NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 21
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

In this conversation with Juliet, Sue and Janet dive into her challenges as a wife, mother, and church planter and the balancing act that can be in everyday life. Juliet inspires with her words and is honest about her journey.

Hosts:

Sue Ferguson-Women NEXT, Co-Director
Janet McMahon-Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guest:

Juliet Lyons – Co-Founder, Co-Lead Pastor of Elan Church

Category: Women NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 20
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

Christine Caine joins Sue and Janet sharing how she found her way to Jesus while visiting a local church. After talking with women from around the world, Christine recognized a need for women to be inspired, encouraged, and supported in their calling. As a result, she created Propel, to help women fully live into their purpose. Christine inspires and encourages with words you will not want to miss.

Hosts: Sue Ferguson-Women NEXT, Co-Director
Janet McMahon-Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guest: Christine Caine – Speaker, Author, Activist

Category: Women NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 19
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

In this episode, Sue and Janet have a conversation with Tara Beth Leach who finds her way, from a teenage girl preaching to the cornfields to her role as a Lead Pastor. Also featured in this episode is Aubrey Sampson who shares her journey of church planting and passion for all women to find their place in the local church. Together these women are envisioning a city wide church planting network for women. Why women only? Listen and find out their powerful description of what women need to thrive in this season of the Church.

Hosts: Sue Ferguson-Women NEXT, Co-Director
Janet McMahon-Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guests: Tara Beth Leach – Senior Pastor, Good Shepherd Church
Aubrey Sampson – Teaching Pastor, Renewal Church

Category: Women NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 18
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

In this episode, Faith Eury Cho suggests that it is not our job to fight for the right to be heard and be seen. It is our job to speak and to serve, being heard and seen is God’s work over our lives. Join us for this rich conversation about how we respond as women when we don’t feel like things are fair.

Host:

Sue Ferguson-Women NEXT, Co-Director

Janet McMahon-Women NEXT, Co-Director

Guest: Faith Eury Cho, Co-Founder/Co-Pastor, Mosaic Covenant Church

Category: Women NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 17
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church

In this episode, Sue and Janet have a candid conversation with Tammy Dunahoo. From denominational leadership to a church planting network of women, Tammy shares what she has seen in her over 40 years of leadership in the Church. Hopeful for the future, Tammy gives a vision for why men and women working together can help the church fulfill the image of God. As Dean of a seminary, Tammy gives insight into what women of today are hoping for as they move towards vocational ministry.

Hosts: Sue Ferguson, Women NEXT Co-Director
Janet McMahon, Women NEXT Co-Director

Guest: Tammy Dunahoo, Dean of Portland Seminary

Category: Women NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 16
Series: The Next Chapter for Leading Microchurch Networks

In this conversation, Brian Johnson and Rob Wegner interview Joel Repic, who helps lead the Greenhouse Network in Aliquippa, Pennsylvania. Joel shares what the Greenhouse Network is discerning in this chapter of their story, specifically around codifying language and culture without burdening a movement with too much organization. Joel shares how they’ve been able to see their network more like an ecosystem than an empire. The Greenhouse Network is a beautiful picture of moving with the Spirit and joining Jesus where He’s already working.

Host: Rob Wegner, Microchurch NEXT Co-Director
Brian Johnson, Microchurch NEXT Co-Director

Guest: Joel Repic, Co-Director of Greenhouse Network

Category: Microchurch NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 15
Series: The Next Chapter for Leading Microchurch Networks

In this episode of the Microchurch NEXT podcast, Rob Wegner and Brian Johnson interview Bobby Frazier who is part of leading The Syndicate, a network of disciple-making leaders and microchurches in Boise, ID. We discuss the next chapter for leading Microchurch networks and the unique formation story of The Syndicate. We also discuss the next chapter of “Taking Care of Business” as they consider how to engage the pathway of equipping more everyday missionaries for Gospel Saturation in Boise.

Host: Rob Wegner, Microchurch NEXT Co-Director
Brian Johnson, Microchurch NEXT Co-Director

Guest: Bobby Frazier, Co-Founder of The Syndicate

Category: Microchurch NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 14
Series: The Next Chapter for Leading Microchurch Networks

In this conversation, Brian Johnson and Rob Wegner interview Taylor Rogers and Gabrielle Leonard, leaders of the Wildfire Network. They discuss the rise of microchurches and the origin story of the Wildfire Network. They also explore the challenges faced by the network, including disconnection and lack of resources. The current chapter of the network is titled ‘Understanding the Assignment,’ which involves empowering individuals to respond to God’s calling.

Host: Rob Wegner, Microchurch NEXT Co-Director
Brian Johnson, Microchurch NEXT Co-Director

Guests: Taylor Rogers, Co-Director of Wildfire Network
Gabrielle Leonard, Co-Director of Wildfire Network

Category: Microchurch NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 13
Series: The Next Chapter for Leading Microchurch Networks

In this episode of the Microchurch NEXT podcast, Rob Wegner and Brian Johnson interview Tomy Wilkerson, the local director of the Tampa Underground Network. We discuss the next chapter for leading Microchurch networks and the unique challenges and victories experienced by the Tampa Underground Network. The chapter they are currently in is titled ‘Rebirth,’ as they navigate the changing landscape of their network and discern God’s direction for the future. They emphasize the importance of ongoing spiritual formation and the need to balance decentralization and organic relationships. The episode concludes with a reflection on the ultimate goal of pointing to the future where God and man will be united.

Host: Rob Wegner, Microchurch NEXT Co-Director
Brian Johnson, Microchurch NEXT Co-Director

Guest: Tomy Wilkerson, Executive Director, Tampa Underground

Category: Microchurch NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 12
Series: The Next Chapter for Leading Microchurch Networks

Stephen and Lucia Barr share their journey of starting Cast Member Church, a microchurch movement focused on reaching employees of the Walt Disney Company. They discuss the unique challenges and opportunities of ministering within the Disney culture and the importance of adapting to the specific needs of their community. The Barrs emphasize the value of being specific, simple, small, and slow in their approach to church planting. They also highlight the joy of seeing people who don’t know Jesus come to faith and the importance of leaning into the Holy Spirit’s leading.

Hosts: Rob Wegner, Microchurch NEXT Co-Director
Brian Johnson, Microchurch NEXT Co-Director

Guests: Stephen and Lucia Barr, Founding Leaders of Cast Member Church

Category: Microchurch NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 11
Series: AI in the Sanctuary

Does AI inspire more angst or opportunities in your church? Don’t let uncertainty short-circuit important conversations. Kenny Jahng and Matt Engel talk about biblically-grounded guardrails to guide AI adoption. Hear how AI can free up staff for frontline ministry without compromising core values. Learn tips for overcoming skepticism among both church leaders and attenders.Artificial intelligence brings both promise and ethical quandaries for churches. Join Kenny and Matt as they map the landscape between emerging technology and timeless theology. Take away practical steps to steward this new reality with wisdom, discernment, and care for the people in your pews.

Host: Kenny Jahng, Director of AI NEXT

Guest: Matt Engel, Steward of Ministry Innovation, GLOO

Category: AI NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 10
Series: AI in the Sanctuary

Should AI give pastors and ministry leaders pause or inspiration? In this episode, Kenny Jahng interviews Jon Hirst, the Chief Innovation Officer at SIL, an organization that helps people flourish with the languages they value most. Get an inside look at how AI is improving Bible translation around the globe. Kenny & Jon address concerns about AI in the church while providing guidance on navigating constructive conversation in your own church community. Also, discover how reimagining roles could unlock more human-centered ministry. From tapping AI for tasks to providing job transition support, let this discussion expand your vision for AI’s emerging possibilities.

Host: Kenny Jahng, Director of AI NEXT

Guest: Jon Hirst, CIO of SIL

Category: AI NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 9
Series: AI in the Sanctuary

In this conversation, Kenny Jahng sits down with James Poulter, CEO of Vixen Labs, to discuss the intersection of faith, technology, and AI. They explore the current state of conversational AI technologies, such as Alexa, and how they are evolving to provide more interactive and personalized experiences. The conversation highlights the need for churches to maintain congregational trust and safeguard privacy as AI becomes more integrated into their daily life and work.As AI transforms ministry tools, how can church leaders thoughtfully steer into emerging opportunities while calming congregational nerves? James and Kenny discuss pragmatic paths forward. Discover pointers for policies that maintain trust. Learn why understanding AI’s realities, not just its hype, is essential to help your faith community confidently navigate this unfolding future.

Host: Kenny Jahng, Director of AI NEXT

Guest: James Poulter, CEO of Vixen Labs

Category: AI NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 8
Series: AI in the Sanctuary

Discover the transformative potential of AI for ministry work. Brian Beauford, Executive Pastor at Grace Church in Boston and Kenny Jahng sit down to talk about practical insights on adopting AI technology in church operations, from creative tasks to data analysis. Learn how conversational AI and prompt engineering can enhance productivity, engagement, and insight. Hear examples of using AI for drafting emails, evaluating sermons, policy creation, and more. Beauford offers tips on budgeting for AI, addressing staff hesitation, and focusing on the positive impacts it can bring. Join the conversation around the responsible and ethical integration of artificial intelligence to amplify the mission of your faith community.

Host: Kenny Jahng, Director of AI NEXT

Guest: Brian Beauford, Executive Pastor, Grace Church of Boston

Category: AI NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 7
Series: AI in the Sanctuary

Should pastors be curious or anxious about AI? Join the conversation as Kenny Jahng and Yvonne Carlson, CTO at Global Media Outreach, tackle common fears head on. Hear how AI can improve pastoral care, enhance churchgoer experiences, speed up Bible translation, and more. Discover practical steps to address staff anxieties and congregational misconceptions. Explore real ministry use cases stretching from chatbots to personalized sermon recommendations. Whether you feel behind the curve or anxious about the future, this discussion will leave you curious, hopeful and ready to collaborate with AI.

Host: Kenny Jahng, Director of AI NEXT

Guest: Yvonne Carlson, CTO of Global Media Outreach

Category: AI NEXT

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 6
Series: Snapshots of Innovation

Welcome to Snapshots of Innovation, where we interview ministry leaders across North America who are shaping what’s next for the future of the church. In this episode, we hear from two innovative ministry leaders sharing their unique approach to disciple-making. Preston is actively discipling doubters and skeptics and shares a unique approach to reading the Gospels. Anne Bosarge then explains how a Facebook discipleship group of 30 women grew to 1500 people and how online discipleship can move people from consumers to contributors and finally, creators.

Host: Jon Wiest, Director of NEXT Ventures

Guests: Preston Ulmer and Anne Bosarge

Website(s):

Preston: http://thejesusxp.com/

Anne: https://www.digitaldiscipleship.online/

Category: NEXT Ventures

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 5
Series: Snapshots of Innovation

Welcome to Snapshots of Innovation, where we interview ministry leaders across North America who are shaping what’s next for the future of the church. In this episode, we hear from Molly Soderstrom and the story of The Brook, a young professional ministry in Denver, CO fusing social media, Happy Hours, and simple churches into a unique and innovative ministry. Then Vince Garvey of Ambassadors Ministries explains how to fund local missionary work across the country and why we need a new paradigm for funding ministry.

Host: Jon Wiest, Director of NEXT Ventures

Guests: Molly Soderstrom and Vince Garvey

Connect with Guests:

Molly: https://www.thebrook.city/
Vince: http://ambassadorsministries.com/

Category: NEXT Ventures

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 4
Series: Snapshots of Innovation

Welcome to Snapshots of Innovation, where we interview ministry leaders across North America who are shaping what’s next for the future of the church. In this episode, we learn from a few pioneers in urban ministry. Tommy “Urban D” Kyllonen and Troy and Mark Evans have both successfully planted hip-hop churches across the country and are now innovating to train other urban leaders across the country. Join us to learn how to leverage music, fashion, writing, speaking, and even sneakers to reach new people with the gospel.

Host: Jon Wiest, Director of NEXT Ventures

Guests: Tommy Kyllonen and Troy and Mark Evans

Websites: Tommy: crossoverchurch.org, http://freeshoesbook.com/
Troy and Mark Evans: http://hustleprayeat.com/

Category: NEXT Ventures

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 3
Series: Snapshots of Innovation

Welcome to the Exponential NEXT Podcast, where we interview ministry leaders across North America who are shaping what’s next for the future of the church. In this episode, we learn from two innovative leaders doing ministry on the margins. Shane Boyd leads “Gathering of Nomads,” a ministry for the growing RV community that is launching chapters across the country. Then we talk with Paul Watson, CEO of The Freedom Initiative, a ministry of contagious disciple-making sweeping through prisons in the South.

Host: Jon Wiest, Director of NEXT Ventures

Guests:

Paul Watson: http://contagiousdisciplemaking.com/

Shane Boyd: http://gatheringofnomads.com/

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Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 2
Series: Snapshots of Innovation

Welcome to the Exponential NEXT Podcast, where we interview ministry leaders across North America who are shaping what’s next for the future of the church. In this episode, we learn principles for mobilizing Gen Z. Olivia Williamson is sparking a nationwide Gen Z prayer movement through Claim Your Campus, and Cory McElvain, leads Zero Hour, a ministry equipping Gen Z to launch disciple-making movements in local schools across Kansas City.

Host: Jon Wiest, Director of NEXT Ventures

Guests: Cory McElvain, http://zerohourministries.org/
and Olivia Williamson, http://claimyourcampus.com/

Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 1
Series: Snapshots of Innovation

Welcome to the Exponential NEXT Podcast, where we interview ministry leaders across North America who are shaping what’s next for the future of the church. In this episode, we introduce our Next Ventures process for discovering and resourcing innovative ministries and also interview Bubba Stallcup, CEO and founder of Love Thy Nerd. Bubba is finding new ways to reach the growing nerd culture and provides transferable principles for anyone called to a specific demographic.

Host: Jon Wiest, Director of NEXT Ventures

Guest: Bubba Stallcup, CEO and Founder of Love Thy Nerd

Website: http://lovethynerd.com/

Welcome to the Exponential NEXT Podcast where ministry and church leaders come together to discuss topics that give you a peek into the future of the church. At Exponential NEXT we focus on discovering what is coming NEXT for the future of the church that can lead to accelerating church multiplication. Join a community of kingdom-minded changemakers exploring innovative models, methods, and approaches for reaching, discipling, and mobilizing people with a strong focus on church planting, together. With new conversations every Wednesday, we will dive into topics we believe will help us all see what’s coming around the corner for the Church. Discover more about Exponential NEXT by visiting us at exponential.org/next.