Leading Saints Podcast

New Church Schedule: How to Turn 25 Minutes into 60+ Minutes

Fri, 03 Apr 2026 20:13:08 +0000

Zion Lab: https://app.leadingsaints.org/

Leading Saints Live | March Recap + The Future of Leading Saints

Kurt Francom shares highlights from the past month in Zion Lab — Leading Saints’ growing online community app — and digs into the biggest topic on everyone’s mind: the upcoming changes to the Sunday meeting schedule taking effect September 6.

In this episode:

What is Zion Lab and why Kurt thinks it’s the future of Leading Saints
The AI Clerk feature and how it helps church leaders find answers fast
Reactions and discussion around the new split Sunday meeting schedule
Kurt’s Elders Quorum small-group format and why it works so well for the shorter class time
A bishop’s “Bishop’s Youth Discussion” model that’s transforming youth engagement
How to become a Zion Builder (and how to get a sponsored membership if cost is a barrier)

Links & Resources:

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Join Zion Lab and become a Zion Builder at leadingsaints.org 📩 DM Kurt directly inside Zion Lab

Leading Saints Live streams every first Friday of the month.

What to Say When Loved Ones Leave the Church | An Interview with Jeff Strong and Joseph Grenny

Fri, 03 Apr 2026 06:10:21 +0000

Jeff has since spent several years doing research on why people are leaving the Church. While not a professional researcher, his career involved a large amount of research and the research he shares in this podcast was done with the help of some of the top Latter-day Saint researchers in the world. Today, Jeff lives in Midway, Utah, and stays busy with a little lavender farm, some business consulting, and enjoying family.

Joseph Grenny is a lifelong student of social science whose writings are references in major universities around the world. He is a New York Times bestselling author of eight books, including leadership, influence and communication classics Crucial Conversations, Influencer, Crucial Accountability, and Change Anything. His books are available in over 30 languages and have sold over six million copies.

Joseph is a co-founder and current board chair of Unitus Labs, an international nonprofit that has helped over 15 million of the world’s poorest to move toward self reliance. In 2015 he and his colleagues started The Other Side Academy, a 2.5-year school for those with long histories of crime, addiction and homelessness. The Other Side Academy is free, requiring only a desire to change for admission. In April 2021, Joseph and the leaders of The Other Side Academy announced their intention to build The Other Side Village, a 400-home community for those who are chronically homeless based on principles of self-reliance and peer accountability.

Joseph is married to the former Celia Marie Waldron. They have six children and eight grandchildren and live in Salt Lake City.

Links

Watch the video and share your thoughts in the Zion Lab community
The Data Behind Church Culture | An Interview with Jeff Strong
Joining Moroni’s War on Addiction | An Interview with Joseph Grenny
Creating Change | Interview with Joseph Grenny
Messy Conversations: When Loved Ones Leave the Faith, by Joseph Grenny
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Social science expert Joseph Grenny and researcher Jeff Strong discuss the high-stakes nature of “faith transitions” within the Church . The conversation centers on how leaders and family members can navigate these emotionally charged discussions to preserve and strengthen relationships.

00:04:45 – The Importance of High-Stakes Conversations
00:06:17 – The Challenge of Faith Transitions
00:08:31 – The Need for Open Dialogue
00:09:50 – The Emotional Weight of Conversations
00:11:13 – The Impact of Poor Responses
00:12:21 – Preparing for Difficult Conversations
00:13:35 – Research Insights on Conversations
00:15:48 – Identifying Positive Deviants
00:16:29 – Learning from Successful Conversations
00:18:06 – The Role of Fear in Conversations
00:20:06 – Talking Under the Influence of Stress
00:22:40 – The Importance of Taking a Breather
00:25:23 – Three Key Steps for Effective Conversations
00:27:00 – Feeling Your Feelings
00:29:40 – Fixing Your Story
00:31:40 – Finding Your Motive
00:33:13 – The Transformative Power of Relationships
00:35:11 – Embracing the Messiness of Life
00:38:11 – The Role of God in Our Growth
00:40:45 – The Journey of Self-Discovery

Key Insights

The “Devoutness Paradox”: Research involving 15,000 participants found that the more devout a person is, the less likely a conversation about faith transition is to go well. If the recipient is a church leader, the odds of a negative outcome are 4.5 times higher than average.
High Intensity of Need: Approximately 83% of individuals going through a faith transition reach out to others, typically contacting four to five people, indicating a deep desire for connection and resolution during the process.
The Trap of “Problem-Solving”: Many leaders and parents react out of fear and an immediate impulse to “fix” the individual or bring them back to the church. This motive often leads to the other person feeling judged, berated, or suspected.
The “Positive Deviant” Model: Some leaders and family members manage to maintain their own religious commitment while creating a safe, robust space for dialogue. These “positive deviants” prioritize the relationship over immediate theological conformity.
Long-Lasting Consequences: The first few seconds of a conversation are pivotal; words spoken in moments of shock or vulnerability can endure for years and dictate the future trajectory of the relationship.

Leadership Applications

Shifting Motives: Leaders must move from a mindset of “correcting” to one of “listening and processing”. Recognizing that fear often drives the impulse to solve a problem can help leaders stay present and supportive rather than confrontational.
Validating the Struggle: Leaders should normalize the reality that faith transitions are common and often a healthy part of a person’s individual journey . By acknowledging the difficulty without judgment, they empower the individual to feel heard rather than controlled.

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When the Seminary Teacher Has a Faith Crisis | An Interview with Tucker Boyle

Thu, 26 Mar 2026 23:00:14 +0000

Tucker Boyle has spent over 25 years teaching Seminary and Institute for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, where he has worked closely with youth and young adults to help them deepen their relationship with Jesus Christ and navigate real-life challenges with faith and awareness. He has served as a Young Single Adult bishop and in other leadership callings, giving him a front-line perspective on the complexities individuals face in their spiritual journeys.

Tucker is the founder of Harmony Road Retreats, a nonprofit organization that creates compassionate, supportive spaces for individuals wanting to find inner harmony while experiencing shifts in their faith. Through retreats, teaching, and his podcast Call to Harmony, he helps people develop practical tools for navigating spiritual dissonance, regulating the nervous system, and cultivating a more grounded, personal connection with God. He lives in Spanish Fork, Utah, with his wife Katie and their five children.

Links

https://www.harmonyroadretreats.com/
What I Learned About Leadership When My 2nd Counselor Left the Church
ChurchofJesusChrist.org Topics and Questions
Watch the video and share your thoughts in the Zion Lab community
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Tucker talks about navigating faith crises and transitions. The discussion explores the intellectual and physiological aspects of questioning faith, moving beyond “black and white” thinking to find spiritual peace through connection and the heart.

00:02:21 – Tucker’s Faith Crisis Journey
00:03:24 – Understanding Faith Crisis Beyond Doubt
00:04:05 – Importance of Community in Faith Transitions
00:04:32 – Tucker’s Experience in Teaching
00:05:43 – Observations on Youth and Young Adults
00:06:31 – Trusting the Goodness of the Younger Generation
00:07:11 – Defining Faith Crisis and Faith Journey
00:08:28 – Tucker’s Personal Faith Crisis Experience
00:09:01 – The Impact of Seeking Other Perspectives
00:10:37 – The Challenge of Balancing Beliefs
00:11:54 – The Role of the Dissertation Chair
00:12:38 – Navigating Fear and Doubt in Research
00:14:03 – The Dissolution of Testimony Pillars
00:15:17 – The Moment of Psychological Free Fall
00:16:21 – The Question of Wasting Time in Faith
00:17:03 – The Complexity of Belief and Doubt
00:18:03 – The Nature of Testimony Pillars
00:19:21 – The Challenge of Seeing Humanity in Divinity
00:20:58 – The Shift from Certainty to Complexity
00:22:46 – The Experience of Testimony in Church
00:23:40 – The Impact of Testimony on Personal Faith
00:24:53 – The Role of Nervous System in Faith Experiences
00:26:54 – The Importance of Self-Regulation
00:28:24 – The Journey of Healing and Understanding
00:30:31 – The Non-Linear Nature of Faith Journeys
00:31:13 – The Moment of Clarity and Love
00:33:08 – The Temporary Nature of Spiritual Experiences
00:34:24 – The Shift Back to Struggle
00:36:08 – Understanding the Faith Crisis Experience
00:37:41 – The Journey Towards Harmony
00:39:44 – The Role of Heart vs. Mind in Faith
00:41:06 – The Transformation Through Faith Crisis
00:43:22 – Embracing Complexity in Belief
00:45:01 – Gratitude for the Faith Crisis Experience
00:45:34 – Moving Forward with New Perspectives

Key Insights

The Nature of Faith Crisis: A faith crisis is often experienced as a physical response in the nervous system, where the world feels like it is falling apart, rather than just an intellectual disagreement.
The Trap of Certainty: Boyle describes his own journey from a “black and white” mindset of having every answer to encountering complexity that dissolved his traditional “pillars” of testimony.
Leading with the Heart: While the mind seeks to label, divide, and categorize, the heart can hold nuance, questions, and imperfections in church history or leadership that the analytical mind cannot.
Spiritual Regulation: Finding peace often requires “stepping back” from a stressed mind through practices like meditation, allowing for an openness to God even when specific questions remain unanswered.
Trusting in God’s Reach: A central theme is the belief that individuals cannot “get out of God’s reach,” and that His love is not dependent on common organizational membership.

Leadership Applications

Creating Safe Spaces: Leaders can support those in transition by listening without an agenda to “fix” or judge them, ensuring the individual feels safe and “not othered” within the community.
Managing Parental and Leader Panic: Tucker advises leaders to trust in the “deep goodness” of the youth and recognize that God’s plan is large enough to encompass their questions and journeys.
Focusing on Connection Over Advice: Instead of providing a “five-point plan” or intellectual rebuttals, leaders should focus on maintaining a loving relationship, mirroring the “eternal bond” offered by God and Christ.

How to Keep Your Ward Accountable | An Interview with Michael Timms

Thu, 19 Mar 2026 07:17:32 +0000

A best-selling author and internationally sought-after speaker and consultant, Michael Timms teaches practical leadership strategies that drive high-performance. He earned an M.B.A. from Utah State University, and was a consultant with Deloitte and an HR leader in the construction and manufacturing industries, prior to forming his own consultancy. Michael is the author of How Leaders Can Inspire Accountability and Succession Planning That Works.

Links

Watch the video and share your thoughts in the Zion Lab community
How Leaders Can Inspire Accountability: Three Habits That Make or Break Leaders and Elevate Organizational Performance
How to Claim Your Leadership Power | Michael Timms
MichaelTimms.com
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Michael talks about the principles of accountability within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The discussion focuses on how leaders can foster a culture of ownership and high performance among volunteers without relying on the traditional levers of corporate consequences.

00:01:46 – The Challenge of Motivation and Accountability
00:02:18 – Introduction of Michael Timms and His Expertise
00:02:53 – Michael Timms’ Background and Approach to Accountability
00:03:59 – Accountability in a Faith Context
00:04:32 – Defining Accountability
00:06:18 – Understanding Results in a Church Context
00:09:23 – Starting Points for Accountability in Organizations
00:11:06 – The Role of Leaders in Accountability
00:12:20 – Key Behaviors for Modeling Accountability
00:14:21 – Setting Expectations in Leadership
00:16:43 – Importance of Feedback and Communication
00:20:03 – Clarifying Purpose and Results
00:21:36 – Establishing Expectations for Team Dynamics
00:24:24 – Addressing Accountability Breakdowns
00:26:45 – Three Habits of Personal Accountability
00:29:02 – Motivating People in a Volunteer Organization
00:30:26 – The Power of Positive Feedback
00:32:12 – Giving Ownership to Team Members
00:34:12 – Scenarios for Accountability in Activities
00:39:17 – Handling Blame in Accountability Conversations
00:41:39 – Avoiding Micromanagement in Leadership

Key Insights

Redefining Accountability: Timms defines accountability as taking ownership of results and focusing on the actions necessary to achieve the right outcomes, rather than using it as a euphemism for blame or punishment.

The Power of Modeling: Accountability begins with the leader; if those in positions of authority do not own their mistakes or seek feedback, others in the organization are unlikely to do so.

Defining Results: In a faith context, “results” should be defined broadly—such as bringing people closer to Christ—and then distilled into specific goals, such as building testimonies or improving how members feel about their Sunday experience.

Setting Clear Expectations: High-performing teams agree on general guidelines for how they will work together—such as preferred communication methods and response times—before diving into the work.

Three Habits of Personal Accountability: Michael highlights three essential behaviors for leaders: avoiding blame, “looking in the mirror” to see how they contributed to a problem, and “engineering the solution” by fixing broken systems or processes.

Motivation Through Ownership: Motivating volunteers is best achieved by giving them a say in outcomes, providing frequent positive feedback to trigger a sense of progress, and granting them true decision-making power within councils.

Leadership Applications

Requesting Feedback: Leaders can improve performance by sincerely asking those they lead for feedback on how to make it easier for them to achieve their goals.

Systemic Problem Solving: When a task is not completed, Michael suggests leaders should ask “where did the process break down?” rather than “who dropped the ball?” to reduce defensiveness and improve future results.

Standardizing Procedures: Implementing standard operating procedures for recurring events—such as meeting agendas or baptismal services—helps ensure consistency and reduces the mental load on volunteers.

Home Ministering | An Interview with Steve Webber

Wed, 11 Mar 2026 06:15:41 +0000

Steve Webber served a mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the Spain Barcelona Mission and later graduated from Brigham Young University with a degree in Business Management. Professionally, he owns and manages an advertising agency.

Steve has served in various leadership capacities, including bishop, high counselor, Young Men president, elders quorum president, and high priest group leader. These experiences, along with his time as a home minister, have given him a unique perspective on how valiant ministering can bless the flock of the Good Shepherd. He currently hosts the Home Ministering Podcast on YouTube.

Steve lives in Cedar Hills, Utah, with his wife, Jana. They are the parents of five children and five grandchildren.

Links

HomeMinistering.com
Home Ministering: The Process of Perfecting the Saints
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Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Steve discusses the evolution of ministering within the Church, emphasizing the shift from home teaching to a more holistic approach to ministering. He shares insights from his book and offers practical advice for leaders to enhance their ministering efforts.

00:03:22 – Background on Steve’s Book
00:04:04 – The Shift from Home Teaching to Ministering
00:05:13 – Early Experiences as a Bishop
00:06:43 – The Importance of Personal Connection
00:08:28 – The Role of Personalization in Ministering
00:09:06 – The Need for Flexibility in Ministering
00:10:00 – Addressing Safety Concerns in Ministering
00:10:31 – The Evolution of Ministering Terminology
00:12:01 – The Church’s Long-Term Vision for Ministering
00:14:25 – The Impact of Ministering on Church Attendance
00:15:40 – The Power of Asking the Right Questions
00:18:43 – Encouraging Open Communication in Ministering
00:20:37 – Serving Like Jesus
00:22:47 – Developing Christlike Attributes through Ministering
00:25:54 – The Importance of Prayer in Ministering
00:28:20 – The Role of Ministering in Building Community
00:30:40 – The Need for Humility in Receiving Help
00:32:54 – The Importance of Ministering Relationships
00:35:02 – Historical Context of Ministering Changes
00:37:21 – The Higher Law of Ministering
00:39:40 – The Role of Family Support in Ministering
00:41:06 – Building Authentic Relationships in Ministering

Key Insights

Ministering as a Higher Law: The transition from home teaching to ministering represents a return to the original purpose of caring for one another, focusing on service rather than just teaching lessons.

Personal Connection: Effective ministering involves building genuine relationships, where ministering brothers and sisters are seen as trusted friends who can provide support and encouragement.

The Power of Prayer: Asking families what they need prayer for can open doors for deeper connections and help ministering brothers and sisters understand how to serve effectively.

Flexibility in Approach: There is no one-size-fits-all method for ministering; leaders should encourage creativity and adaptability based on the unique needs of families.

Importance of Presence: Simply showing up and expressing love can have a profound impact, even if there are no specific tasks to perform. This presence fosters trust and openness.

Leadership Applications

Encourage Open Communication: Leaders can promote a culture where members feel comfortable sharing their needs, making it easier for ministering brothers and sisters to provide support.

Focus on Relationships: Leaders should emphasize the importance of building relationships over merely fulfilling assignments, encouraging members to engage with those they serve on a personal level.

Model Humility and Service: By demonstrating a willingness to receive help and support, leaders can set an example for their congregations, showing that vulnerability and openness are strengths in the ministering process.

False: Everything Happens for a Reason | An Interview with Brandon Bennett

Tue, 03 Mar 2026 08:01:53 +0000

Brandon Bennett currently serves as a Professor of Religious Education at Brigham Young University–Idaho. He previously worked for more than a decade in Seminaries and Institutes of Religion in Utah and Texas, where he was blessed to teach the restored gospel to many remarkable youth and young adults. Throughout much of his adult life, he has held callings working with the rising generation, focusing on strengthening their faith in Jesus Christ and helping them build a firm spiritual foundation.

His experiences as a religious educator and youth leader have reinforced the importance of teaching truth “in plainness” (2 Nephi 31:3). Teaching doctrine with clarity and simplicity has, therefore, become one of his great priorities and convictions. He believes that as we seek to clearly understand and faithfully apply the principles taught in the scriptures and the words of the prophets—free from false assumptions—we place ourselves in a position to more fully receive the Savior’s power, peace, and direction in our lives.

Brandon shares faith-filled thoughts on finding purpose in pain through Jesus Christ. This livestream explores why trials come—from our own choices, mortality, others’ actions, or divine tutoring—and how the Savior’s touch can give any experience meaning. Rather than saying “everything happens for a reason,” Brandon reframes the idea: through Jesus Christ, everything can have a reason and purpose. Drawing on scripture, doctrine, and the story of the man born blind, this discussion offers hope, perspective, and practical faith for anyone navigating hardship—and for leaders counseling others through it.

Links

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Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

00:02:31 – The Challenge of Offering Comfort in Trials
00:03:29 – Introduction of Brandon Bennett
00:04:04 – Background on Brandon’s Presentation
00:05:57 – The Complexity of Trials and Comforting Statements
00:07:35 – The Impact of “Everything Happens for a Reason”
00:09:20 – Understanding Trials Through Personal Experience
00:10:07 – The Nature of Adversity
00:11:21 – Orson F. Whitney’s Quote on Pain and Growth
00:12:54 – The Role of the Savior in Our Trials
00:14:27 – The Importance of Perspective in Trials
00:15:58 – The Role of Empathy in Leadership
00:20:51 – The Danger of Speculative Doctrines
00:23:12 – The Power of Empathy in Healing
00:25:04 – The Role of the Savior in Our Trials
00:26:33 – How to Involve Jesus Christ in Our Lives
00:30:25 – The Doctrine of Christ and Accessing His Power
00:34:25 – The Paradox of Grace
00:40:05 – The Nature of the Savior’s Love and Acceptance
00:42:12 – Conclusion and Final Thoughts on Trials and Healing

From Cliques to Community: Ministering in a Lonely Ward | An Interview with Ganel-Lyn Condie

Wed, 25 Feb 2026 08:00:57 +0000

Ganel-Lyn Condie is a popular speaker, author, and mental health advocate. With insight shaped by faith, lived experience, and cultural awareness, she brings both compassion and clarity to the question many leaders and members are asking: How do we help people feel seen, known, and loved—especially those on the margins?

In this episode, Ganel-Lyn discusses her new book, Sourdough and the Savior, which explores the parallels between the process of making sourdough bread and the teachings of Jesus Christ. The conversation emphasizes the importance of ministering, community building, and personal growth through shared experiences.

Links

Sourdough and the Savior
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Key Insights

Sourdough as a Metaphor: Ganel-Lyn uses sourdough baking as a metaphor for understanding the characteristics of the Savior, illustrating how personal struggles can lead to spiritual growth.

Ministering through Connection: The act of sharing sourdough has become a means of ministering to others, fostering connections, and creating opportunities for healing and conversation.

Building Community: Ganel-Lyn emphasizes the need for community in the church, particularly for those who may feel isolated. She shares her experience of hosting informal gatherings to create a space for connection without the pressure of formal church events.

Vulnerability in Leadership: By sharing her own feelings of loneliness and identity struggles, Ganel-Lyn encourages leaders to be open and vulnerable, which can help others feel seen and understood.

Diversity in Gifts: The discussion highlights that everyone has unique gifts to share, and these contributions, no matter how small, can significantly impact the community and help build Zion.

Leadership Applications

Encouraging Informal Gatherings: Leaders can create opportunities for members to connect outside of formal church settings, fostering a sense of belonging and community.

Modeling Vulnerability: By being open about their own challenges, leaders can create an environment where others feel safe to share their struggles, leading to deeper connections and support.

Recognizing Individual Contributions: Leaders should encourage members to share their unique talents and experiences, reinforcing the idea that every contribution is valuable in building a strong, diverse community.

Highlights

00:03:02 – Ganel-Lyn’s Journey to Writing
00:06:29 – The Struggles of Sourdough
00:10:18 – The Role of Ministering
00:11:03 – Building Zion Through Community
00:13:04 – Sharing Talents and Gifts
00:15:08 – The Impact of Sourdough
00:16:49 – The Importance of Connection
00:20:50 – Navigating Loneliness
00:24:01 – Creating Inclusive Gatherings
00:27:21 – The Essence of Community
00:30:20 – The Role of Church Leaders
00:34:25 – The Importance of Vulnerability

Leading Elders Quorum is Simple | An Interview with Frank Schwartz

Sat, 31 Jan 2026 08:00:55 +0000

Frank Schwartz is a husband—for nearly 25 years—and a father of three girls. He has served in several bishoprics, elders quorum presidencies, high councils, high priest group leaderships and Young Men presidencies (back when those were a thing), and a variety of other callings over the years.

Frank did undergraduate and graduate work in Psychology and worked in television before starting a small, boutique, corporate communications firm. Most recently he has worked for a client in the healthcare payments space. Frank joined F3 in 2014 and has served in the national leadership in different capacities prior to taking over as Nant’an/CEO in 2024.

Links

Fellowshipping Men in Elders Quorum | An Interview with Frank Schwartz
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Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

00:02:40 – Discussion on Elders Quorum Engagement
00:03:01 – Personal Experience with F3 and Transformation
00:05:11 – The Importance of Community for Men
00:09:18 – The Need for Transformational Experiences
00:10:08 – Finding Truth and Community
00:12:13 – The Simplicity of Gathering Men
00:14:02 – The Role of Food in Building Brotherhood
00:15:32 – The Power of Gathering in Elders Quorum
00:18:00 – Authenticity in Church Leadership
00:20:56 – Creating Comfortable Spaces for Discussion
00:22:04 – Personal Transformation After Warrior Heart Bootcamp
00:23:24 – The Quest for Personal Purpose
00:25:05 – Shifting Perspectives on Relationships
00:30:00 – The Broader Plan and God’s Purpose
00:33:55 – Limiting Perspectives and Personal Growth
00:37:40 – The Journey of Self-Discovery and Adventure

Frank and Kurt discuss approaches to engaging men in elders quorum and fostering brotherhood within the Latter-day Saint community. They explore the importance of transformational experiences and how simple gatherings can lead to deeper connections among men.

Key Insights

Transformational Experiences: Men often seek meaningful experiences that can lead to personal growth and connection. Frank shares how participating in F3 and Warrior Heart boot camps has profoundly changed his perspective on leadership and relationships.

Gathering for Brotherhood: The act of gathering, whether for workouts or casual meet-ups, is crucial for building community. Frank emphasizes that men need spaces where they can connect and share their experiences authentically.

Authenticity in Leadership: Leaders should prioritize creating environments where vulnerability is encouraged. This can be achieved by moving away from rigid lesson structures and focusing on genuine interactions.

Shifting Perspectives: Frank discusses the importance of recognizing limiting beliefs and perspectives that can hinder personal growth. Leaders should help others see beyond their current views to embrace a broader understanding of their purpose.

Simplicity in Engagement: Simple gatherings, such as meeting for hot dogs or casual discussions, can effectively draw men together and foster meaningful conversations, making it easier for them to engage with one another.

Leadership Applications

Focus on Gathering: Latter-day Saint leaders can prioritize creating informal gatherings that encourage connection among men, such as breakfast meetings or service projects, rather than strictly adhering to lesson plans.

Encourage Vulnerability: Leaders should model vulnerability and openness in their interactions, creating a safe space for others to share their thoughts and feelings, which can lead to stronger bonds within the group.

Challenge Limiting Beliefs: Leaders can facilitate discussions that help members identify and overcome limiting beliefs, encouraging them to explore their divine potential and purpose within the community.

10 Lesser-Known Ideas to Help Ward Members Connect with Jesus Christ | An Interview with Eric Richards

Thu, 29 Jan 2026 07:56:45 +0000

Brother Eric Richards teaches Institute and Seminary in the Utah North Area, is a member of the Veritas society, a contributing author for the Patheos project, and a member of the International Writers and Editors Association. He has served in several Bishoprics, twice on High Councils, in the Stake Presidency, and now serves as a Bishop. For five years, Brother Richards and his team wrote the Online Seminary Curriculum. He presents at BYU and BYU-Idaho Education Week and is the author of Preparing for the Second Coming, Come Follow Me: Words of the Week, and was a contributing author for Deseret Book’s “Hear Him” project. He’s a certified Neuroscience Coach, and a great pickleball player in his free time.

Brother Richards grew up attending the Mountain View Baptist Church in San Diego before missionaries baptized him and his mom. He served a mission in Honduras, and his son later served in the same mission. He first moved to Utah after meeting his future wife at EFY, and taught Seminary and played water polo and volleyball for Utah State University. They have been married for 27 years. Most of all, he loves teaching and being with valiant Christians around the world.

Links

Preparing for the Second Coming
Come Follow Me: Words of the Week
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Highlights

How can we lead in a way that connects members deeply to Jesus Christ? This conversation moves beyond administrative duties to explore practical frameworks for empowering members, delivering difficult counsel, and fostering a revelation-driven ward culture.

00:02:37 – Eric Richards’s Background and Experience
00:06:05 – Core Messages and Focus on Jesus Christ
00:07:42 – Approaching Leadership and Interviews
00:12:21 – The Importance of the Bishop’s Helpline
00:13:05 – Interview Techniques for Revelation
00:20:03 – The Role of Hope in Leadership
00:24:11 – Addressing Pornography in Ministering Interviews
00:30:51 – Supporting Speakers and Teachers in Sacrament Meetings
00:35:07 – Encouraging Discussion in Sunday School
00:39:26 – Inspired Counsel on Callings
00:45:12 – The Bishop’s Prayer List and Personal Ministry
00:46:33 – Ministering Interviews and Strengthening Faith

Key Insights

Connecting to Christ: All leadership efforts should ultimately prioritize helping individuals develop a personal relationship with the Savior rather than simply maintaining organizational functions.

Four Levels of Problem Solving: Leaders can empower members by identifying their current “level” of problem-solving: Level 1 (bringing a completed solution), Level 2 (proposing options), Level 3 (sharing findings/research), or Level 4 (simply asking for the answer).

The “Hot Sauce” Technique: Delivering difficult correction is most effective when used as a “compliment sandwich,” where hard truths are encased in genuine love to ensure the counsel is “metabolized” rather than rejected.

Facilitating Personal Revelation: Leaders should serve as a “Sherpa” or “guide on the side,” asking questions that invite the member to receive their own answers from the Spirit rather than providing them directly.

Wellness Baselines: Richards emphasizes checking a member’s physical (sleep, diet, exercise) and spiritual (prayer, scripture, temple) “baselines” to address holistic needs before tackling complex emotional or behavioral issues.

Heart-Led Vulnerability: To create safety, leaders should model vulnerability in sacrament meetings and classes, prioritizing personal, “heart-led” experiences over purely informational “head-led” teaching.

Leadership Applications

Member Empowerment: Instead of solving every problem, a leader can ask a member where they are on the 1–4 problem-solving scale, encouraging them to find and present their own solutions for the leader’s approval.

Ward Council Dynamics: Councils are most effective when members “check their ego” and evaluate every proposal through “three hats”: their perspective as an individual, as a friend/neighbor, and through their specific stewardship.

Joyful Ward Culture: Leaders can foster a “Church of Joy” by normalizing post-meeting interactions and using specific roles, such as “stenographers” to document the ward’s spiritual history and community connections.

Why Every Leader Needs to Understand Justification & Sanctification | An Interview with Stephan Taeger

Tue, 27 Jan 2026 08:20:24 +0000

Stephan Taeger is an assistant professor in Ancient Scripture at Brigham Young University. He received a PhD from BYU in Instructional Design and Technology. Stephan’s research focuses on Homiletics (the study of preaching), narrative instruction, and ancient scripture. He is also an author and co-host of the RVVL podcast with David Butler.

Links

Y Religion: Justification by Faith
The Science of Speaking in Sacrament Meeting | An Interview with Stephan Taeger
President Spencer W. Kimball: “Jesus the Perfect Leader”
Sermons and talks by Timothy Keller on YouTube
Stephan Taeger: “Declared Guiltless: Justification by Faith in the Latter-day Saint Classroom”
Toxic Perfectionism at Church | An Interview with Justin Dyer
Justification: God’s Plan, Paul’s Vision
N.T. Wright on YouTube
Weakness Is Not Sin: The Liberating Distinction That Awakens Our Strengths
RVVL Podcast
StephanTaeger.com
Tim Keller: Sin as Self-Deceit
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Highlights

00:04:00 – Stephan Taeger’s Background and Teaching Focus
00:05:00 – Influence of Tim Keller on Understanding Justification
00:06:00 – Justification Explained
00:09:00 – The Relationship Between Justification and Works
00:10:30 – Understanding the Role of Covenants
00:11:30 – The Importance of Faithfulness
00:12:30 – The Marriage Analogy for Justification
00:13:30 – The Role of the Sacrament in Justification
00:14:30 – Defining Sanctification
00:15:30 – The Process of Becoming More Like God
00:17:00 – The Role of Obedience in Response to Grace
00:18:00 – Addressing Perfectionism in Leadership
00:19:00 – The Impact of Sin on Community
00:20:00 – The Role of Bishops in Restricting Ordinances
00:22:00 – Understanding Restrictions as Support
00:23:00 – The Nature of Punishment vs. Guidance
00:24:00 – Mental Health and Perfectionism
00:25:00 – Addressing Sexual Development and Sin
00:26:00 – The Importance of Striving for Sanctification
00:27:00 – The Role of the Bishop in Mental Health
00:28:00 – The Challenge of Perfectionism
00:29:00 – The Concept of Forgiveness
00:30:00 – The Nature of Grace in the Gospel

Key Insights

Justification Defined: Justification is described as being pardoned from sin and declared guiltless, occurring when individuals enter a covenant relationship with God through faith, repentance, baptism, and receiving the Holy Ghost.

Sanctification Explained: Sanctification is the ongoing process of becoming more like God, involving a change in one’s nature, thoughts, and desires over time, as individuals strive to live in accordance with their covenants.

The Role of Grace: Grace is central to understanding both justification and sanctification. It emphasizes that salvation is a gift from God, not solely based on individual works, and that individuals can have confidence in their justified state.

Addressing Perfectionism: Many Latter-day Saints struggle with perfectionism, often feeling unworthy despite understanding the doctrine. The conversation highlights the importance of recognizing one’s worth as inherent and not solely based on actions.

Mental Health Considerations: The discussion touches on the intersection of mental health and religious beliefs, particularly regarding OCD and scrupulosity, emphasizing the need for compassion and understanding in addressing these issues.

Leadership Applications

Fostering a Culture of Grace: Leaders can create an environment where members feel secure in their justified state, encouraging them to engage in the gospel without the burden of shame or guilt.

Understanding Individual Needs: By recognizing that unmet needs may drive certain behaviors, leaders can approach members with empathy, focusing on support rather than judgment.

Promoting Continuous Growth: Leaders should emphasize the importance of striving for sanctification, framing commandments and ordinances as opportunities for growth rather than as mere obligations, thus inspiring members to engage more fully in their spiritual journeys.

Are We Doing Home Centered & Church Supported Right?

Wed, 21 Jan 2026 08:00:59 +0000

This is a rebroadcast of a podcast episode from Teaching Restored, a podcast exploring the how of teaching the restored gospel of Jesus Christ to bring others unto Him, helping gospel teachers become more confident, converted, and consecrated. Hosts Kevin Jones and Julie Hillyard are both former guests on the Leading Saints Podcast and you can join Kevin for further teaching-related discussion in Zion Lab.

Links

Teaching Restored
Teaching Restored on YouTube @teachingrestored
Teaching Sunday School with Questions | An Interview with Kevin Jones
Stimulating Sunday School Discussion… But Not Too Much | An Interview with Julie Hillyard
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Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Kevin and Julie explore the concept of “flipped” learning as a model for “home-centered, church-supported” gospel study. They discuss transitioning from a lecture-based church experience to a “laboratory” environment where members act as a council to solve problems and apply doctrines learned at home.

Key Insights

The Flipped Classroom Model: In a traditional setting, teachers lecture and students do “homework” alone; in a flipped model, students learn the material at home and use class time to work through practical applications with the teacher’s help.

Defining Scriptural Understanding: Citing Elder Bednar, Kevin notes that scriptural “understanding” is not merely mental comprehension, but occurs when the heart confirms what the mind has learned.

The “Preparer” as the Primary Learner: The person who prepares a talk or lesson historically learns the most. The goal of a flipped church is to elevate every member to the status of a “preparer” before they arrive at Sunday meetings.

Accountability Through System Changes: To motivate home study, Kevin suggests “blowing up” the traditional lecture system. If members know they will be required to participate in a solution-based council rather than listen to a lecture, they are more likely to engage with the materials at home.

Utilizing Existing Tools: Julie highlights that the Come, Follow Me manuals and Gospel Library app already provide the necessary “lab” prompts—such as writing a eulogy for Joseph Smith—but these are often ignored in favor of passive reading.

Leadership Applications

Transitioning from Teacher to Moderator: Leaders can “release” traditional teachers and instead call “discussion heads” or moderators. This shifts the burden of learning onto the quorum or class members and prevents “spiritual engines” from turning off during a lecture.

Implementing Solution-Based Councils: Instead of sharing “happy thoughts,” leaders should present specific ward or family conundrums—such as helping elderly members attend the temple—and ask the council to generate actionable solutions.

Closing the Feedback Loop: When a council generates a solution, leaders must take those ideas to the Ward Council or Bishopric and report back to the members. This demonstrates that their participation has a direct impact on the ward’s operation.

00:04:22 – Introduction to Flipped School Concept
00:06:25 – New Year’s Resolutions and Teaching Goals
00:07:07 – Understanding Flipped School Model
00:09:05 – Home-Centered, Church-Supported Learning
00:10:24 – The Role of Preparation in Learning
00:12:01 – The Importance of Family Engagement
00:13:05 – Elder Oaks on Family Togetherness
00:17:02 – The Challenge of Utilizing Extra Time
00:19:04 – Elder Bednar on Understanding and Revelation
00:21:44 – The Need for Personal Preparation
00:24:51 – Tools for Effective Gospel Study
00:28:32 – Practical Application of Come Follow Me
00:30:32 – The Role of Motivation in Learning
00:32:08 – Innovative Elders Quorum Model
00:36:05 – Benefits of Council-Based Learning
00:40:34 – Youth Engagement in Problem Solving
00:43:00 – The Importance of Practice in Councils
00:46:34 – Reframing Youth Teaching Opportunities

Leading Latino Saints | An Interview with Ernesto Quintanilla

Sun, 18 Jan 2026 01:27:25 +0000

Ernesto Quintanilla is the co-host (with his wife Nancy) and driving force behind Santos en Liderazgo, the official Spanish-language expansion of the Leading Saints podcast. A dedicated leader and communicator, Ernesto is passionate about helping Spanish-speaking Latter-day Saints enhance their leadership skills and better serve their communities.

By interviewing experienced leaders and sharing research-backed principles, Ernesto bridges the gap between traditional leadership concepts and the unique cultural nuances of Latino congregations. His work focuses on empowering local leaders—from Bishops and Relief Society presidents to youth advisors—with the tools and inspiration needed to lead with Christlike love and administrative excellence.

Links

Santos en Liderazgo on YouTube
Santos en Liderazgo in Zion Lab
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community
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Overview

In this episode, Kurt Francom interviews Ernesto Quintanilla regarding the launch of Santos en Liderazgo, the Spanish-language expansion of the Leading Saints podcast. The conversation focuses on the unique leadership dynamics within the Latino Latter-day Saint community and the need for culturally relevant resources to support local leaders worldwide.

Key Insights

Cultural Warmth in Leadership: A recurring theme is the Latino culture’s emphasis on deep, warm, and personal relationships. Ernesto highlights how leaders often build connections through physical affection (hugs) and informal social gatherings, which fosters a strong sense of community and trust.

The Pioneer Experience: Many Latino leaders are first-generation members or recent converts. Ernesto notes that while they may lack deep historical knowledge of church programs, they compensate with extraordinary faith and a reliance on the Spirit to guide their actions and words.

Cultural Adaptation and Immersion: Navigating the intersection of Latino and American church cultures requires proactive effort. Ernesto suggests that “immersion” is the most effective way for different groups to understand each other, recommending that leaders simply “show up” and participate in each other’s social and religious activities.

Unique Community Initiatives: The discussion highlights innovative grassroots programs, such as a missionary preparation initiative in Peru that provides medical and dental services to prospective missionaries, which eventually became an area-wide program.

Mental Health and Belonging: Leadership in the Latino community often involves addressing the unique mental health challenges of immigrants who may feel they “don’t belong” in their new country nor their country of origin.

Leadership Applications

Prioritize Relationship over Program: Leaders can improve ward unity by shifting focus from administrative tasks to “warm” social interactions. Ernesto emphasizes that simple gestures, like sharing food or offering a sincere greeting, can bridge cultural gaps more effectively than formal training.

Empower New Converts: Recognizing that many leaders are “pioneers,” established leaders should provide patient coaching while honoring the fresh spiritual energy and faith-based initiative these members bring to their callings.

Highlights

Coming soon

Ward Music | A Zion Lab Livestream

Thu, 15 Jan 2026 14:26:56 +0000

In this livestream, Kurt Francom facilitates a collaborative discussion on the practical and spiritual aspects of ward music, featuring insights from Landon, a BYU master’s student in organ performance. The episode addresses common challenges faced by ward music coordinators and organists, ranging from planning Christmas programs to integrating the Church’s new hymns. The central theme focuses on how music serves as a vital tool for inviting the Spirit and how leaders can better support the musicians in their wards.

Links

Landon’s Organ Training Course
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community
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Key Insights

Creative Christmas Programming: Participants shared successful ideas for holiday sacrament meetings, such as involving missionary families to sing “Silent Night” in different languages, utilizing youth for special numbers, and organizing organ-piano duets to elevate the musical experience.

The “Ministering Approach” to Training: Landon highlights a successful initiative where a stake presidency funded professional organ lessons for all ward organists. This approach transformed the quality of music in the stake by treating skill development as an essential part of the calling rather than an optional hobby.

Integrating New Hymns: To help congregations learn new music, ward leaders suggest using youth activities to assemble physical binders, having the ward choir introduce new songs first, and featuring new hymns as prelude and postlude music to build familiarity.

Managing Chapel Reverence: Landon shares a specific technique for organists to manage chapel noise: when a congregation is loud, the organist can slightly increase the volume to match the room, then suddenly stop for ten seconds of total silence before resuming with very soft registration. This “reset” often prompts the congregation to become more reverent.

Advocating for Music’s Priority: A recurring theme is the need for music leaders to advocate for their department so that closing hymns are not treated as “buffer time” to be cut when speakers go over. Clear communication with the bishopric about the spiritual weight of the music is essential for protecting the meeting’s flow.

Leadership Applications

Proactive Coordination: Leaders can use shared spreadsheets to align musical selections with talk topics weeks in advance. Providing speakers with a “tips sheet” that includes strict time limits helps ensure that musical numbers are not rushed or eliminated.

Skill Investment: Rather than just calling those who already have talent, bishops and stake presidents should consider music training as a form of ministering. Providing access to lessons or workshops (like Landon’s online organ course) empowers members to fulfill their callings with greater confidence and proficiency.

Empowering Youth: Giving youth specific responsibilities—such as leading music in sacrament meeting or managing the logistics of new hymn binders—increases their engagement and presence in the meeting, often reducing distractions like phone usage.

Highlights

Coming soon

Supporting Ward Members Without Losing Yourself | An Interview with Robert Smith

Sat, 10 Jan 2026 08:08:12 +0000

Rob Smith, LMAC, LASUDC, is a therapist with over 10 years of personal and professional experience. He specializes in helping individuals tap into their inner strengths, generate momentum for change, and live in alignment with their core values. Rob loves spending time with his wife and supporting their kids in their passions and activities.

Links

Accepted Therapy
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Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Rob discusses the complexities of providing support to individuals facing mental health challenges and the burdens that can arise for leaders in church settings. The conversation emphasizes the importance of empathy, boundaries, and community in effective leadership.

00:02:10 – Importance of Mental Health in Leadership
00:03:30 – Balancing Help and Personal Well-being
00:05:00 – Interview Introduction with Rob Smith
00:05:40 – Rob’s Background and Specialization
00:06:30 – Personal Struggles and the Need for Help
00:08:00 – The Journey of Seeking Help
00:10:00 – Community Support in Recovery
00:12:00 – The Importance of Healthy Boundaries
00:14:00 – Empathy in Leadership
00:16:00 – Mourning with Those Who Mourn
00:20:00 – Understanding the Weight of Pain
00:22:00 – The Role of Leaders in Carrying Burdens
00:23:30 – The Challenge of Relating to Others’ Struggles
00:25:00 – Setting Healthy Boundaries as a Leader
00:28:00 – The Complexity of Supporting Others
00:30:00 – The Need for Forgiveness and Compassion
00:32:00 – The Role of Opposition in Growth
00:34:00 – The Importance of Community Resources
00:36:00 – Balancing Individual Needs with Community Support
00:38:00 – The Role of Gratitude in Helping Others
00:40:00 – Delegating Support Within the Church Community
00:42:00 – Reflecting on Systemic Issues in Support

Key Insights

Empathy vs. Problem-Solving: Leaders often feel compelled to solve problems for those they support, but true empathy involves sitting with individuals in their pain rather than trying to immediately alleviate it.

The Weight of Pain: Understanding that pain has a physical and emotional weight can help leaders connect with those they serve. Leaders should be willing to share in that weight without trying to fix it.

Boundaries are Essential: Leaders must establish healthy boundaries to protect their own mental health. This includes recognizing when to step back from situations that may overwhelm them.

Community Support: A strong community can enhance recovery and support. Leaders should encourage individuals to seek help from a broader network rather than relying solely on them.

Forgiveness and Compassion: Leaders need to practice forgiveness towards those who may not show gratitude or who take advantage of their help. This allows leaders to continue serving without resentment.

Opposition in All Things: Recognizing that challenges are a part of life can help leaders understand that they cannot solve every problem. This perspective fosters resilience and growth.

Leadership Applications

Creating Safe Spaces: Leaders can foster environments where individuals feel safe to express their struggles without fear of judgment. This can be achieved by openly discussing difficult emotions and experiences.

Utilizing Resources: Leaders should leverage the strengths of their community by connecting individuals with appropriate resources, such as support groups or other members who have faced similar challenges.

Regular Check-Ins: Leaders should regularly assess their own well-being and that of their fellow leaders. This can help prevent burnout and ensure that they are equipped to support others effectively.

Leading Saints in 2026

Fri, 09 Jan 2026 18:49:35 +0000

Where is Leading Saints going in 2026? Listen in to find out!

Links

Watch the video and share your thoughts in the Zion Lab community
Become a Zion Builder
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

In this episode, Kurt Francom discusses the evolution of Leading Saints and the introduction of Zion Lab, an online community aimed at fostering leadership and cultural development among Latter-day Saints.

00:03:04 – Introducing Adam Treadwell
Introduction of Adam Treadwell and his connection to Leading Saints.

00:04:03 – North Star Conference
Promotion of the North Star Conference and its relevance to church leaders.

00:06:01 – Adam’s Journey with Leading Saints
Adam shares his experience and history with Leading Saints.

00:07:01 – Key Accomplishments of 2025
Summary of key achievements and insights from Leading Saints in 2025.

00:10:57 – Zion Lab Progress
Discussion on the development and functionality of Zion Lab as a community platform.

00:11:57 – In-Person Leadership Gatherings
Exploration of the impact of in-person leadership workshops and conferences.

00:12:28 – Understanding Zion Lab
Description of Zion Lab as a social media platform for church leaders.

00:16:06 – Personal Insights from 2025
Kurt shares personal reflections and insights gained throughout the year.

00:19:29 – Cultural Development in Leadership
Discussion on the importance of culture development in church leadership.

00:22:03 – Future of Leading Saints in 2026
Exploration of content distribution and future plans for Leading Saints.

00:25:23 – Expanding Language Resources
Discussion on the need for Spanish and other language podcasts.

00:27:53 – Importance of Zion Lab
Jared’s question about the significance of Zion Lab in the evolution of Leading Saints.

00:30:32 – Moderation in Zion Lab
Addressing concerns about moderating discussions and ensuring a safe community.

00:34:59 – Inclusivity in Discussions
Discussion on ensuring diverse voices are heard in Zion Lab.

00:35:38 – Eliminating Borders with Zion Lab
How Zion Lab can connect church leaders beyond geographical boundaries.

00:39:39 – Content Creation Process
Kurt explains his approach to finding and creating content for Leading Saints.

00:44:02 – Emerging Themes and Trends
Discussion on potential themes and trends for future content.

00:48:05 – Navigating Difficult Topics
Kurt shares his thoughts on addressing challenging subjects in church leadership.

Key Insights

Shift to Community Focus: Leading Saints is transitioning from being solely a podcast to a community-driven platform through Zion Lab, where leaders can share ideas and best practices.

Grassroots Leadership: Significant cultural shifts within the church will come from lay members rather than institutional changes, highlighting the role of individual initiative in building Zion.

Content Creation and Curation: The podcast will continue, but the emphasis will be on community-generated content, allowing for a broader range of voices and experiences to be shared.

Diversity of Perspectives: Zion Lab aims to create a safe space for discussions on various topics, including controversial issues, while ensuring that all voices are heard and respected.

Language Expansion: There are plans to expand content into other languages, recognizing the diverse experiences of Latter-day Saints worldwide.

Leadership Applications

Encouraging Participation: Leaders are encouraged to actively participate in Zion Lab, sharing their experiences and insights, which can help others in similar situations.

Fostering Community: By connecting with others in their local areas and beyond, leaders can find support and inspiration, reinforcing the idea that they are not alone in their challenges.

Embracing Change: Leaders should be open to new ideas and approaches, understanding that effective leadership often requires adapting to the unique needs of their communities rather than relying solely on institutional directives.

Start Now to Celebrate Easter Season | An Interview with Lani Hilton

Tue, 06 Jan 2026 03:26:39 +0000

Lani Hilton is a dedicated enthusiast of the Easter Season. She has lived a Christ-centered Easter season with her family for 20 years and has been teaching about it in settings like BYU Education Week and firesides since 2015. She published a book called Celebrate Sunday and has written articles for the Liahona and LDS living. Along with her husband, John, she is the proud parent of six children, four currently at Brigham Young University. Lani finds great joy in the simplicity and beauty of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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Links

lanihilton.com/easter
A Christ-Centered Easter: Day-By-Day Activities to Celebrate Easter Week
Easter-themed resources from Deseret Book
Connecting Others to Jesus Through the Cross at Calvary | An Interview with John Hilton III
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Lani Hilton talks about the importance of making Easter a season rather than just a single day of celebration. Lani shares her journey of creating meaningful Easter traditions and how she has implemented these ideas at both home and community levels, particularly focusing on Palm Sunday.

00:04:04 – Lonnie’s Journey to Celebrating Easter
00:05:24 – Simplifying Traditions as a Busy Mom
00:06:08 – Church’s Focus on Easter as a Season
00:06:40 – Elder Stevenson’s Call for a Christ-Centered Easter
00:09:51 – Expanding the Easter Celebration Timeline
00:10:57 – Encouragement to Start Early with Planning
00:12:44 – Involving Youth in Easter Activities
00:13:57 – Lonnie’s Experience with Stake Activities
00:15:41 – The Importance of Creating Meaningful Experiences
00:17:16 – Organizing a Palm Sunday Celebration
00:20:24 – Keeping the Celebration Engaging and Short
00:22:07 – Community Involvement and Outreach
00:25:06 – The Joy of Praising the Savior
00:27:16 – The Impact of a Large Gathering
00:29:03 – Advertising the Palm Sunday Event
00:31:01 – Encouraging Family Participation
00:32:24 – Resources for Planning Easter Activities
00:35:35 – Reflection on the Success of the Event
00:39:15 – Looking Ahead to Future Celebrations

Key Insights

Easter as a Season: Lani emphasizes the need to extend the celebration of Easter beyond just Easter Sunday, suggesting that it can encompass a period of reflection and worship leading up to and following the holiday.

Inspiration from Church Leaders: Elder Stevenson’s talks have encouraged members to recognize Palm Sunday and the Easter season more thoughtfully, prompting a shift in how Latter-day Saints approach these celebrations.

Community Involvement: Lani highlights the importance of involving the entire community in Easter celebrations, suggesting that events should be inclusive and accessible to all, not just church members.

Simple Traditions: She advocates for simple, Christ-centered traditions that can be easily integrated into family life, making it possible for busy families to participate without feeling overwhelmed.

Worshipful Experiences: The focus should be on creating worshipful experiences that allow participants to praise and adore Jesus Christ, fostering a deeper connection to the Savior during this holy time.

Leadership Applications

Planning Ahead: Leaders should begin discussions about Easter celebrations in January to allow ample time for planning and community involvement, ensuring that activities are well-organized and meaningful.

Encouraging Participation: Leaders can facilitate events that invite participation from all ages, such as a Palm Sunday celebration, which can help foster a sense of community and shared worship.

Flexibility in Activities: Leaders are encouraged to adapt ideas and resources to fit their local context, recognizing that not every ward or stake will have the same capabilities or traditions, but all can create impactful experiences centered on Christ.

Teaching with Different Bible Translations | An Interview with John Hilton III

Wed, 31 Dec 2025 01:31:34 +0000

John Hilton III was born in San Francisco and grew up in Seattle. He served a mission in Denver, and got a Bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University. While there he met his wife Lani and they have six children. They have lived in Boise, Boston, Miami, Mexico, Jerusalem and China. John has a Master’s degree from Harvard and a Ph.D from BYU, both in Education. John is a professor of Religious Education at BYU.

John has published several books with Deseret Book, including Considering the Cross: How Calvary Connects Us with Christ. He’s the author of the new course “Finding Christ in the Old Testament.”

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Links

ScriptureCentral.org
Scripture Central on YouTube
Finding Christ in the Old Testament
Newsroom: New Guidance on Bible Translations for Latter-day Saints
Handbook: 38.8.40.1 Editions and translations of the Holy Bible
YouVersion Bible App page (Apple app here)
Keeping Jesus as the Center of Leadership | An Interview with John Hilton III
Connecting Others to Jesus Through the Cross at Calvary | An Interview with John Hilton III
Bearded Bishops, Rated-R Movies, & the Honor Code | An Interview with John Hilton III
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

In this episode, John discusses the recent changes in the Church’s approach to Bible translations and how these changes can enhance understanding of the scriptures, particularly the Old Testament. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accessibility and comprehension in scripture study.

Key Insights

The Church’s handbook now states that while members should generally use a preferred or church-published edition of the Bible, other translations may also be used, reflecting a shift towards inclusivity and understanding.

Many individuals struggle with the King James Version due to its higher reading level, which can hinder their engagement with the scriptures. Simpler translations can provide clarity and accessibility.

Various Bible translations, such as the English Standard Version (ESV) and New International Version (NIV), can help bridge the gap for those who find the King James Version challenging, making the scriptures more relatable and understandable.

The discussion highlights the importance of using different translations in teaching settings to enhance comprehension and engagement, particularly for youth and those unfamiliar with the King James Version.

Leaders are encouraged to create an inclusive environment in classes where all translations are respected, fostering a space for discussion and learning.

Leadership Applications

Leaders can promote the use of various Bible translations in their classes to help members better understand scriptural principles, especially for those who may struggle with traditional texts.

By being aware of the reading levels of different translations, leaders can guide individuals to resources that suit their comprehension needs, ensuring that everyone can access the teachings of the scriptures.

Encouraging open discussions about different translations can help create a welcoming atmosphere in church settings, allowing members to feel comfortable sharing their insights and questions without fear of judgment.

00:02:44 – Guest Introduction: John Hilton III
00:03:26 – Classroom Applications of Bible Translations
00:04:08 – John Hilton’s Projects with Scripture Central
00:04:50 – Changes in Church Handbook Regarding Bible Translations
00:08:34 – Discussion on Handbook Changes
00:14:33 – Historical Context of Bible Translations
00:19:07 – Addressing Concerns About Modern Translations
00:21:18 – Recommendations for Bible Translations
00:24:31 – Using Different Translations for Comprehension
00:26:04 – Importance of Accessible Translations for Youth
00:28:01 – Anticipating Classroom Dynamics with Various Translations
00:30:21 – Creating a Respectful Classroom Environment
00:32:51 – Teaching Strategies for Engaging with Scriptures
00:41:18 – The Role of Listening to Scripture
00:44:10 – Speculation on Future Translations of Church Scriptures
00:47:44 – Encouraging Leaders to Support Comprehension in Others

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Tips for Teaching the Old Testament in 2026 | An Interview with Joshua Sears

Wed, 24 Dec 2025 22:37:05 +0000

Joshua Sears earned his BA in Ancient Near Eastern Studies at Brigham Young University, an MA from The Ohio State University, and a PhD in Hebrew Bible from The University of Texas at Austin. His research focuses on biblical polygamy, the book of Isaiah, and Latter-day Saint Bible editions. He has presented at numerous academic and Church-related conferences and is the author of A Modern Guide to an Old Testament.

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Links

A Modern Guide to an Old Testament
BYU Religious Studies Center: rsc.byu.edu
Kerry Muhlestein: “A Savior with a Sword”
Blue Letter Bible
BibleHub
NetBible.org
NRSVUE Bible: New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Key Insights

Understanding Genres: The Old Testament contains various literary genres, including poetry, narrative, and prophecy. Recognizing these genres is crucial for proper interpretation and enhances the reading experience.

Challenges of the Old Testament: The text is lengthy and covers a vast historical period, which can be overwhelming. It also includes complex themes such as violence and cultural practices that may challenge modern readers.

Christ in the Old Testament: Jehovah, the Lord in the Old Testament, is identified as the premortal Jesus Christ. Understanding this connection allows readers to see Christ’s active role throughout the text, not just in prophecies of His mortal ministry.

Resources for Study: Utilizing various resources, including the Come Follow Me manual, podcasts, and online tools, can enhance understanding and provide context for difficult passages.

Addressing Difficult Questions: It is acceptable for teachers to admit when they do not know the answer to a question. This honesty fosters a learning environment and encourages further exploration of the scriptures.

Leadership Applications

Encouraging Engagement: Leaders can promote a deeper understanding of the Old Testament by encouraging members to explore its genres and themes, helping them to appreciate its relevance to their faith.

Creating a Supportive Environment: By modeling humility and openness about not having all the answers, leaders can create a safe space for discussion and inquiry, allowing members to feel comfortable asking questions.

Utilizing Resources: Leaders should leverage available resources, such as the new institute manuals and online tools, to prepare lessons that are informative and engaging, ensuring that the focus remains on the scriptures themselves.

Timestamps

00:03:02 – Overview of “A Modern Guide to an Old Testament”
00:04:18 – Challenges of the Old Testament
00:05:33 – The Complexity of Old Testament Genres
00:06:43 – Teaching Strategies for the Old Testament
00:08:10 – Shifting Mindsets for Old Testament Study
00:09:48 – Importance of Understanding Context
00:11:06 – Balancing Content Mastery and Teaching
00:12:28 – Keeping Jesus Christ at the Center
00:14:10 – Resources for Hebrew Words and Translations
00:15:46 – Using Podcasts for Study
00:17:27 – Navigating Difficult Questions in Class
00:19:19 – Emphasizing Conversion in Teaching
00:20:30 – The Role of AI in Biblical Study
00:22:04 – Addressing Tough Issues in the Old Testament

What Leaders Should Know About Black Latter-day Saints | An Interview with Brothaz in the Foyer

Wed, 17 Dec 2025 07:05:30 +0000

Will Kennedy and Isiah Gray are members of Brothaz in the Foyer, a group that produces content to represent and share the experiences of Black members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are part of a larger group of hosts for the Brothaz in the Foyer Podcast, and their goal is to bring people “from the foyer into the chapel.” This conversation explores their personal journeys, the dynamics of race within the Church, and the importance of fostering understanding and inclusivity.

Links

YouTube: @brothazinthefoyer
Instagram: @brothazinthefoyer
TikTok: @brothazinthefoyer
Paul Reeve books
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Key Insights

Experiences in the Temple: Will and Isiah share how their experiences as Black men in the temple often draw attention, highlighting the need for normalization of diverse representation within sacred spaces.

Cultural Differences: The hosts discuss how their backgrounds influence their experiences in the Church, noting that cultural differences can lead to misunderstandings and the need for open dialogue.

Reconciliation with Church History: Both emphasize the importance of understanding the Church’s history regarding race, including the priesthood ban, and how this knowledge can strengthen faith rather than diminish it.

Empathy and Genuine Interaction: They stress the importance of treating all individuals as children of God and engaging in genuine conversations to bridge cultural gaps, rather than making interactions feel forced or awkward.

Political Climate and Faith: The discussion touches on the politicization of race and the need for members to prioritize their faith and love for others over political affiliations, promoting unity within the Church.

Leadership Applications

Foster Open Dialogue: Leaders should create environments where members feel comfortable discussing sensitive topics related to race and culture, encouraging transparency and understanding.

Educate on Church History: Leaders can benefit from familiarizing themselves with resources like Paul Reeve’s book on race in the priesthood to better address historical issues and foster inclusivity.

Encourage Representation: Leaders should seek diverse voices in leadership roles and callings, recognizing that representation can enhance the community’s strength and unity, while also being mindful not to tokenize individuals based on race.

Highlights

00:03:09 – Origin of Brothaz in the Foyer Podcast
00:04:34 – Cultural Differences in Latter-day Saint Experiences
00:06:08 – Broader Christian Dialogue and Inclusivity
00:06:58 – Personal Background: Will’s Journey to the Church
00:08:35 – Personal Background: Isiah’s Journey to the Church
00:10:58 – Navigating Church Culture and History
00:14:03 – Discussing Race in Church Settings
00:17:04 – Parenting and Discussing Race with Children
00:19:46 – Encouragement for Friends Struggling with Church History
00:20:15 – Seeking the Savior in Difficult Conversations
00:22:34 – Addressing Race in Church Leadership
00:23:38 – Importance of Validation and Transparency
00:25:27 – Practical Approaches for Church Leaders
00:26:26 – Genuine Interactions vs. Awkwardness
00:29:06 – Experiences in the Temple
00:31:17 – Building Relationships through Meaningful Conversations
00:33:41 – Representation and Diversity in Leadership
00:35:02 – Navigating Race in Utah and the Wasatch Front
00:37:57 – The Impact of Politics on Race Conversations
00:42:36 – Mixing Christianity with Politics
00:45:59 – Addressing Racism in the Church Context
00:47:02 – Empathy and Understanding in Racial Discussions

Primary: From Administration to Connection | A How I Lead Interview with Michelle Colledge

Sun, 14 Dec 2025 10:40:26 +0000

Primary is so much more than schedules, rolls, and meetings—it’s a sacred opportunity to love, lift, and lead like the Savior. In this inspiring interview, we explore how Primary presidencies and leaders can transform everyday administration into meaningful ministry.

Michelle Colledge lives in Cedar Hills, Utah with her husband, Rick, and their five children. She owns and coaches at Canyon Gymnastics and loves reading, traveling, and spending time with her family. She graduated from Utah Valley University, served a full-time mission in the North Carolina Raleigh Mission, and has served in various callings including stake Primary president, ward Primary president, and in several Primary and Young Women presidencies.

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Key Insights

Building Community: Michelle emphasizes the importance of creating a sense of community within Primary by engaging with children and their families, such as through home visits for birthdays, which fosters personal connections.

Perceptive Leadership: Leaders should be observant and responsive to the needs of children, ensuring that every child feels valued and included. This includes recognizing when a child feels overlooked and taking steps to address it.

Innovative Programming: The introduction of a stake Primary devotional allowed children to actively participate in leadership roles, such as greeters and speakers, which empowered them and made the event more engaging.

Personalized Involvement: Michelle highlights the significance of knowing each child’s name and interests, which helps leaders connect on a deeper level and enhances the overall Primary experience.

Flexibility in Leadership: Leaders should be willing to adapt and create new opportunities for service and connection, as demonstrated by the transition from traditional birthday celebrations to personalized home visits during COVID-19.

Leadership Applications

Foster Personal Connections: Latter-day Saint leaders can implement home visits or personalized notes to recognize children’s milestones, enhancing their sense of belonging and importance within the community.

Encourage Participation: By inviting children to take on roles in Primary programs, leaders can help them develop confidence and a sense of responsibility, making church activities more meaningful.

Be Observant and Responsive: Leaders should regularly assess the dynamics within their Primary classes, looking for ways to support teachers and children, ensuring that everyone feels included and valued in the Primary experience.

Highlights

00:04:28 – Transitioning from Ward to Stake Primary Presidency
00:06:04 – Finding Footing as Stake Primary President
00:08:19 – Monthly Presidency Meetings and Activities
00:10:19 – Yearly Primary Activity Planning
00:11:59 – Training for New Primary Presidencies
00:12:52 – Best Practices for Primary Presentations
00:16:25 – Creating a Reverent Atmosphere in Presentations
00:18:56 – Encouraging Children to Write Their Own Parts
00:19:56 – Engaging with Children in Primary
00:20:45 – Personal Connections with Children
00:25:13 – Connecting with Primary Presidencies in the Stake
00:27:11 – Perceiving Needs Like the Savior
00:29:19 – Inviting Children to Serve in Primary
00:34:56 – Organizing a Stake Primary Devotional
00:40:21 – Conclusion and Q&A Session

Can Leading Saints “Fix” Your Ward Culture?

Sat, 13 Dec 2025 08:03:42 +0000

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Why Ward Goals Matter | An Interview with Blake Erickson

Wed, 10 Dec 2025 02:00:46 +0000

Blake Erickson is the co-founder of Scaling.com, a company dedicated to helping entrepreneurs scale bigger and faster than they ever thought possible. He is the co-author of the New York Times best-selling book The Science of Scaling, and a highly sought-after keynote speaker specializing in guiding companies and individuals to achieve rapid growth and seemingly impossible goals. Blake resides in Utah with his amazing wife, Bre, and their two sons.

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Links

The Science of Scaling: Grow Your Business Bigger and Faster Than You Think Possible
Scaling.com/Audiobook
The Science of Scaling Your Ward | An Interview with Benjamin Hardy
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Highlights

Blake discusses the importance of setting ambitious goals and the principles of effective leadership within the context of Latter-day Saint service. The conversation emphasizes how faith and intentionality can lead to significant results in both personal and church-related endeavors.

Key Insights

Goal Setting and Faith: Blake shares his experience of setting a seemingly impossible goal of 100 baptisms during his mission, illustrating how faith and ambition can drive success.

Identifying Key Indicators: He emphasizes the importance of recognizing patterns and indicators that lead to success, such as focusing on individuals who are genuinely interested in the gospel rather than spreading efforts too thin.

The Power of One: The discussion highlights that often, one person can make a significant impact, whether in a business or church setting, by inspiring others and driving collective progress.

Less is More: Blake advocates for the idea that achieving goals often requires doing less but with greater focus, rather than simply increasing activity levels.

Cultural Dynamics: The conversation touches on the need to challenge existing cultural norms that may hinder progress, encouraging leaders to empower all members to contribute actively.

Leadership Applications

Setting Clear Goals: Latter-day Saint leaders can adopt Blake’s approach by establishing clear, ambitious goals for their congregations, focusing on what truly matters to drive spiritual growth and engagement.

Fostering a Culture of Participation: Leaders should encourage all members to take initiative and share their insights, breaking down barriers that prevent individuals from stepping forward in service.

Prioritizing Key Activities: By identifying the most impactful activities and focusing efforts on those, leaders can enhance the effectiveness of their ministries, ensuring that resources are used wisely and results are maximized.

00:03:24 – Blake Erickson’s Mission Experience
00:04:10 – Shifting Focus on Mission Goals
00:05:06 – Learning from Missionary Work
00:06:58 – Identifying Key Indicators for Success
00:08:27 – Setting Goals and Expectations
00:10:18 – The Importance of Commitment
00:12:10 – Recognizing Progress and Indicators
00:14:10 – Communicating with Non-Progressing Individuals
00:15:02 – Applying Business Principles to Church Leadership
00:16:37 – Scaling the Church and Its Impact
00:18:50 – The Gospel as a Solution
00:20:49 – Manifesting Faith in Daily Life
00:21:00 – Expressing Desires to God
00:23:30 – The Importance of Ambition
00:25:32 – Balancing Church Responsibilities
00:26:58 – Navigating Life After the Mission
00:27:09 – Engaging with Elders Quorum Leadership
00:29:04 – Focusing on One Goal in the Ward
00:30:17 – The Power of Less and Different Approaches
00:32:02 – Identifying False Requirements
00:34:15 – The Impact of One Person
00:35:04 – Onboarding Others to a Common Goal
00:37:31 – Building Unity Through Shared Goals
00:38:31 – Cultural Dynamics in Church Leadership

Will Leading Saints Last?

Thu, 04 Dec 2025 19:15:36 +0000

Kurt Francom, the executive director of Leading Saints, shares his thoughts on the challenges and responsibilities of leading a nonprofit organization within the Latter-day Saint community. He reflects on the need for support, the complexities of church culture, and the importance of individual leadership in building the Kingdom of God.

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Links

“I’m Not the Gatekeeper, I’m the Welcoming Committee” | An Interview with Kurt Brown
Being an Advocate for Those You Lead | An Interview with Robert Ferrell
Rallying the Ward Around Sacrament Meeting | A How I Lead Interview with Ryan Webb
Getting the Youth to Do Hard Things | A How I Lead Interview with Tanner Pursley
Young Men Can Do Hard Things | A How I Lead Interview with Skylar Haws
Zion Lab: LeadingSaints.org/Zion
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Funding Challenges: Kurt discusses the difficulties of securing funding for Leading Saints, emphasizing the need for both small and large donations to sustain the organization’s mission.

Cultural Issues in the Church: He highlights the complexities of church culture, including the struggles of church leaders and members with faith crises, LGBT issues, and the need for a supportive community.

The Role of Individual Leadership: Kurt stresses that effective leadership is crucial for fostering a positive church culture, which can help individuals navigate their faith journeys and challenges.

Transformational Experiences: He believes that rather than providing formal training, Leading Saints focuses on creating transformational experiences that empower individuals to lead and make a difference in their communities.

Call to Action: Kurt invites listeners to engage with Leading Saints through initiatives like Zion Lab and becoming Zion Builders, emphasizing the collective effort needed to build Zion.

Leadership Applications

Encouraging Community Support: Latter-day Saint leaders can foster a culture of support by actively seeking and encouraging contributions from their communities, similar to how fans rally around a sports team.

Promoting Individual Initiative: Leaders should empower members to take initiative in their callings and personal faith journeys, recognizing that everyone can contribute to building the Kingdom of God, regardless of their formal position.

Creating Transformational Opportunities: Leaders can focus on providing experiences that inspire and uplift their congregations, rather than relying solely on traditional training methods, to cultivate a more engaged and resilient community.

00:01:08 – The Journey of Leading Saints
00:02:25 – The Role of an Executive Director
00:04:14 – The Need for Funding
00:05:57 – Articulating the Problem in Church Leadership
00:07:34 – The Complexity of Church Culture
00:09:11 – The Importance of Individual Action
00:10:51 – The Law of Consecration
00:12:19 – Building Zion and Community
00:14:10 – Connection to BYU Football
00:16:20 – Community Support for Leaders
00:17:01 – The Call for Support and Funding
00:19:14 – The Role of Leading Saints in Cultural Issues
00:21:23 – Transformational Experiences and Leadership
00:23:12 – Call to Action: Join the Zion Lab
00:25:00 – Becoming a Zion Builder
00:26:25 – Sponsoring Others and Seeking Larger Donors
00:29:11 – The Impact of Positive Culture in the Church

Ward Conference Best Practices | A Zion Lab Livestream

Wed, 26 Nov 2025 08:04:06 +0000

This podcast episode features part of a Zion Lab live stream conversation with a group of ward and stake leaders discussing the purpose and execution of ward conferences. The conversation emphasizes the need for meaningful engagement and feedback from members to enhance the effectiveness of these conferences.

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Links

General Handbook 29.2.3 Ward Conference
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

04:26 – Overcoming Traditional Approaches
06:08 – Gathering Feedback from Members
08:21 – Creating Meaningful Experiences
10:00 – Handbook Guidelines for Ward Conferences
12:45 – Shifting Focus from Burden to Blessing
14:09 – Unique Approaches to Ward Conferences
15:37 – Scheduling Ward Conferences Effectively
18:21 – Addressing Local Needs vs. Stake Focus
20:01 – The Purpose of Ward Conferences
24:40 – The Distance Between Stake and Ward
26:01 – Building Positive Stake-Ward Relationships

Key Insights

Purpose of Ward Conferences: Leaders reflect on the importance of ward conferences as a means to unify the ward, provide spiritual nourishment, and address local needs, rather than merely fulfilling a procedural requirement.

Feedback Mechanisms: The discussion highlights the necessity of gathering feedback from both leaders and general members to assess the value of ward conferences and identify areas for improvement.

Innovative Approaches: Leaders share successful strategies, such as organizing activities leading up to the conference and involving youth, to create a more engaging and meaningful experience for the congregation.

Avoiding Tradition for Tradition’s Sake: The conversation stresses the importance of not falling into the trap of maintaining outdated practices simply because “it’s always been done that way.” Leaders are encouraged to innovate and adapt based on current ward needs.

Collaboration and Council: The value of collaborative meetings among stake and ward leaders is emphasized, allowing for shared insights and collective problem-solving regarding ward needs and challenges.

Leadership Applications

Solicit Member Feedback: Leaders should actively seek input from ward members about their experiences and expectations for ward conferences, ensuring that the events are tailored to meet their needs.

Create Engaging Experiences: By planning activities and discussions that involve the entire ward community, leaders can foster a sense of belonging and investment in the ward’s culture and mission.

Embrace Flexibility: Leaders are encouraged to approach ward conferences with an open mind, willing to adapt formats and themes based on the unique dynamics of their wards, rather than adhering strictly to traditional methods.

Community with Covenant-Keeping LGBT Saints | An Interview with Jenn Curtis

Sun, 23 Nov 2025 00:42:48 +0000

Jenn Curtis is the president of North Star, an organization dedicated to supporting LGBT Latter-day Saints. With a lifelong commitment to the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Jenn has navigated her own journey of self-discovery and faith, advocating for understanding and compassion within the Church community. She has been actively involved in creating resources and spaces for dialogue around LGBT issues and faith, helping individuals reconcile their identities with their beliefs.

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Links

NorthStarSaints.org
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

This podcast conversation centers on Jenn’s personal journey with same-sex attraction, her experiences within the church, and the importance of community and understanding in navigating these complex issues.

Key Insights

Personal Journey: Jenn shares her experience of coming to terms with her same-sex attraction while married, emphasizing the internal struggles and the process of self-discovery.

Community Support: The North Star community provides a safe space for LGBT individuals and their families, fostering open dialogue and understanding about faith and sexuality.

Curiosity Over Judgment: Jenn highlights the importance of curiosity in conversations about LGBT issues, suggesting that church leaders should ask questions and seek to understand rather than make assumptions.

Covenant Path: The discussion emphasizes that North Star promotes a gospel-centered approach, encouraging members to strive to keep their covenants while navigating their identities.

Tension in Faith: Jenn acknowledges the tension many LGBT individuals feel between their faith and their sexual orientation, advocating for a compassionate and understanding approach from church leaders.

Leadership Applications

Foster Open Dialogue: Leaders can create environments where members feel safe to discuss their struggles and questions about faith and sexuality without fear of judgment.

Encourage Curiosity: Leaders should practice curiosity by asking open-ended questions to better understand the experiences of LGBT members, which can help reduce fear and stigma.

Promote Inclusivity: By recognizing the diverse experiences within their congregations, leaders can work towards creating a more inclusive community that supports all members in their faith journeys.

00:04:48 – Jenn’s Personal Story and Journey
00:08:36 – Discovering Same-Sex Attraction
00:10:39 – Navigating Marriage and Self-Discovery
00:12:07 – Initial Reactions to Self-Discovery
00:14:18 – The Dual Existence of Living with Same-Sex Attraction
00:16:22 – Conversations with Her Husband
00:20:42 – Coming Out to Her Husband
00:22:27 – Finding Community in North Star
00:24:21 – Advice for Attending North Star Conference
00:26:15 – The Transformational Experience of North Star
00:28:14 – Creating a Welcoming Church Environment
00:30:46 – The Role of Curiosity in Understanding
00:32:20 – The Importance of Being Open and Listening
00:34:20 – North Star’s Unique Approach to LGBT Issues
00:36:04 – Striving to Keep Covenants in the LGBT Community
00:39:35 – Navigating Tension in Faith and Sexuality
00:41:49 – Addressing Negative Experiences with North Star
00:47:10 – The Importance of Giving North Star Another Chance

Should Your Ward Try to Innovate? | An Interview with Roy Zwahlen

Tue, 18 Nov 2025 05:34:07 +0000

Roy Zwahlen has extensive background in innovation. He serves as Chief Strategy Officer at the Eshelman Institute of Innovation, which develops therapeutics and digital health technologies and startups. Roy recently co-authored the book Race to Innovation: Unleashing the Power of Entrepreneurship for Everyone. He also serves as Associate Dean at the University of North Carolina (UNC). Roy has a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science from Brigham Young University and a Juris Doctor from the George Mason School of Law. He has executive education in Innovation and Entrepreneurship from the Stanford Graduate School of Business and Chief Strategy Officer executive training from Wharton School of Business.

Roy loves spending his early mornings hassling 20+ teenagers as a Seminary teacher in Pittsboro, North Carolina. He has served in bishoprics, elders quorum presidencies, Sunday School presidencies, and in various teacher callings with Primary clearly being the best. Roy, his wife, and their five children—all of whom are much cooler than he is—live in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.

Links

https://www.racetoinnovation.net/
Race to Innovation: Unleashing the Power of Entrepreneurship for Everyone
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

In this episode, Roy discusses the intersection of innovation and church leadership, emphasizing how Latter-day Saints can embrace creativity and entrepreneurial spirit to build the kingdom of God. He outlines five principles of innovation that can empower individuals and leaders within the church.

Key Insights

Innovation in the Church: Innovation is rooted in the ongoing restoration of the gospel, with historical examples from church leaders like Joseph Smith and President Nelson demonstrating the importance of adapting and evolving.

Recognizing Potential: Leaders should actively recognize and nurture the divine potential in all members, encouraging creativity and new ideas rather than dismissing them due to comfort with the status quo.

Power of Enclaves: Supportive groups or enclaves foster innovation by providing emotional and practical support, enabling individuals to take risks and share their ideas without fear of failure.

Enabling Ownership: Leaders should empower members to take ownership of their ideas, allowing them to lead initiatives rather than relying solely on institutional approval.

Unique Perspectives: Embracing the diverse backgrounds and experiences of members can lead to innovative solutions that enrich the church community.

Accelerating Change: Leaders should focus on how to accelerate innovative ideas, ensuring that they are not just reactive but proactive in creating positive change within their congregations.

Leadership Applications

Encouraging Initiative: Leaders can create an environment where members feel safe to propose new ideas, such as starting a community service project or a new class, by actively listening and providing support.

Building Support Networks: Forming small groups or committees within the ward can help individuals collaborate on innovative projects, leveraging their unique skills and experiences to enhance church activities.

Fostering a Culture of Innovation: By promoting a mindset of continuous improvement and openness to new ideas, leaders can inspire members to contribute creatively to the church’s mission, ultimately strengthening the community and its outreach efforts.

00:03:34 – Framing Innovation in Church Leadership
00:05:25 – Innovation in the Context of the Restoration
00:07:51 – Challenges of Innovation in Large Organizations
00:09:36 – Autonomy in Local Church Leadership
00:11:25 – Encouraging Local Innovation
00:12:39 – The Role of Individual Members in Innovation
00:14:31 – Importance of Innovation in Church Leadership
00:16:06 – Proactive vs. Reactive Innovation
00:18:07 – Individual Innovation and Community Impact
00:19:25 – The Need for Innovation to Avoid Disruption
00:21:15 – Creating a Culture of Innovation
00:22:02 – Five Principles of Innovation
00:23:32 – Recognizing Potential in Others
00:30:26 – The Power of Enclaves in Innovation
00:40:50 – Enabling Ownership of Innovative Ideas
00:42:11 – Building Support for Innovative Initiatives

The Often-Overlooked Role of the Elders Quorum Service Coordinator | A How I Lead Interview with Ajax Trueblood

Fri, 14 Nov 2025 23:55:59 +0000

For the past seven years, Ajax Trueblood has served as an Elders Quorum Service Coordinator in two different wards in Utah—and he calls it the best calling in the Church. Through that experience, he’s learned that consistent, inspired service doesn’t just bless those being helped—it transforms the hearts and unity of those who serve.

Links

Watch the video and share your thoughts in the Zion Lab community
Elders Quorum Service Coordinator
Movers & Shakers Squad
Soup Patrol in Elders Quorum
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Highlights

Ajax shares his experience magnifying the often-overlooked calling of the elders quorum service coordinator. He talks about shifting the culture of an elders quorum to be proactively service-oriented, fostering spiritual growth, and extending Christlike care to members and the community beyond the traditional tasks of moving furniture. Ajax emphasizes that selfless service is a central, scriptural tenet of the gospel that should guide the quorum’s efforts.

Key Insights
Service is Core Discipleship: The service coordinator role, while briefly mentioned in the Church handbook (8.5.3), is viewed by Ajax as foundational to the gospel, emphasizing the principles of bearing one another’s burdens and charity.

The “Movers and Shakers Squad” (M&S): Ajax organizes volunteers into the M&S list, which is mobilized quickly via text messaging for physical labor, focusing on positive responses only to keep communication clean. Physical projects are handled by small, efficient teams with a designated on-site team leader to improve safety and effectiveness.

The Power of “Soup Patrol”: This initiative is a non-physical service designed to provide emotional connection and support. It involves quickly delivering small tokens, such as homemade soup, bread, or cookies, to those who are sick or struggling, emphasizing presence and care over the physical item.

Coordination Over Execution: A key principle is that the coordinator’s primary focus should be on coordination—getting the right people the opportunity to serve—rather than defaulting to execution and doing all the work themselves. This builds linkages and involves more people.

Beyond Ward Boundaries: The quorum’s service extends beyond active members and ward boundaries to help anyone in the community, including those needing yard work, cleanup, or help moving, using these opportunities as a bridge for fellowship and missionary work.

Synergy with Ministering: Service efforts must support the ministering program. Ajax proactively contacts assigned ministering brothers to give them the opportunity to be involved first, ensuring the service coordinator system reinforces the core assignment rather than displacing it.

Leadership Applications
Recruit Based on Willingness: Leaders should identify and recruit members who are genuinely willing and able to serve, creating a volunteer-driven service system rather than assigning reluctant members to tasks.

Offer Diverse Service Opportunities: By implementing low-physical-demand options like the “Soup Patrol,” leaders can engage members (like the elderly or young fathers) who may be maxed out or resistant to physically demanding assignments like moving, providing a place for everyone to serve.

Be Proactive, Not Passive: Service coordinators should adopt a proactive approach, constantly keeping their “feelers out” by asking members for needs and looking for opportunities rather than waiting for formal requests to come down through the bishopric or ward council.

04:00 – Introduction to the Elders Quorum Service Coordinator Role

06:00 – The Service Coordinator Calling is Foundational to the Gospel

07:10 – Handbook Reference and Magnifying the Calling

08:05 – Organizing Service in a Rapidly Growing Ward (Vineyard)

08:50 – The Key to Success: Asking for Volunteers

11:00 – Service in an Older Ward (St. George) and Moving Beyond Moves

11:50 – The Spirit of Service and Emotional Connection

13:00 – Organizing Moves with the “Movers and Shakers Squad” (M&S)

14:00 – Operating Principle: Small Groups and Designated Team Leaders

15:50 – Using Text Messages and Coordinating the Three M&S Lists

20:15 – Distinguishing Service from Ward Maintenance

21:20 – Serving Outside the Ward Boundaries and Active Members

23:50 – Non-Moving Service Opportunities: Yard Work and Cleanup

26:00 – Service as a Bridge for Ministering and Missionary Work

26:45 – The Concept of “Soup Patrol”

28:35 – Integrating Service with Ministering Brothers and Sisters

30:40 – The Gospel is Not a Program; Focus on the Heart

32:25 – Delivering Soup: Surprise Visits vs. Calling Ahead

33:50 – Rotating Service to Involve More Quorum Members

37:50 – Building a Culture of Service Beyond the Coordinator

40:50 – The Need for Communication and Cooperation with Relief Society

43:50 – Proactively Seeking Out the Poor and Needy

47:15 – Focus on Coordination Over Execution

48:35 – Using Service Opportunities for Spiritual Development

50:40 – The M&S Lists: Recruiting Volunteers, Not Assigned Callings

52:10 – Avoiding Competition with Ministering Assignments

56:05 – How the Role Fosters Better Discipleship

Leadership Styles of Past Church Leaders | An Interview with Daniel Johnston

Sat, 08 Nov 2025 07:42:32 +0000

Daniel Johnston is a Major in the United States Air Force, serving as a maintenance officer with experience commanding teams in both combat and training environments. He currently serves as the Director of Operations for the C-5 Maintenance Squadron at Dover Air Force Base. His previous assignments include serving as an Air Force ROTC instructor at Brigham Young University and as the Logistics Fielding Chief for the T-7A Red Hawk program.

Daniel is also the author of Leading with Faith, a book that explores how modern leaders can apply faith-centered principles drawn from scripture and Church history. He earned both his bachelor’s degree and MBA from Brigham Young University. After serving a two-year mission in the England London Mission, he has continued to serve in various leadership roles within his local congregation, including as a stake Sunday School president, a member of a bishopric, and currently as a Gospel Doctrine teacher.

Links

Leading with Faith: Timeless Lessons from Spiritual Giants
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Daniel discusses his book, Leading with Faith: Timeless Lessons from Spiritual Giants, which explores various leadership styles through the lens of scriptural and Church history figures. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding different leadership approaches and how they can be applied in both spiritual and secular contexts.

Key Insights

Diverse Leadership Styles: Daniel identifies six leadership styles—communicators, builders, peacemakers, exemplars, servant leaders, and disruptors—each exemplified by notable figures from church history and scripture.

Communicator: Gordon B. Hinckley is highlighted as a master communicator who shaped the Church’s public perception and effectively conveyed messages both internally and externally.

Builder: Brigham Young is recognized for his exceptional ability to create lasting structures and communities, demonstrating that effective leadership often involves problem-solving and vision.

Peacemaker: Nephi is presented as a leader who prioritized peace and made difficult decisions for the greater good, illustrating that peacemaking can involve strength and resolve.

Exemplar: King David serves as an example of leading by action, showing that leaders can inspire others through their behavior and commitment to principles.

Servant Leader: Gail Halverson, known as the Candy Bomber, exemplifies servant leadership by prioritizing the needs of others and making a significant impact through small acts of kindness.

Leadership Applications

Self-Assessment: Latter-day Saint leaders can benefit from identifying their own leadership style, which allows for personal growth and the development of strengths that align with their natural inclinations.

Adapting Leadership Approaches: Leaders can experiment with different styles, such as stepping into the role of a peacemaker or servant leader, to enhance their effectiveness and better meet the needs of their communities.

Fostering Community: By understanding and applying the principles of various leadership styles, leaders can create a more inclusive and supportive environment that encourages growth and collaboration among members.

00:06:00 – Leadership Styles Overview
00:08:00 – The Communicator: Gordon B. Hinckley
00:10:00 – President Nelson as a Leader
00:12:00 – The Builder: Brigham Young
00:16:00 – The Peacemaker: Nephi
00:18:00 – The Exemplar: King David
00:24:00 – The Servant Leader: Gail Halverson
00:30:00 – The Disruptor: Spencer W. Kimball
00:35:00 – Identifying Your Leadership Style

The Lonely Bishop’s Wife | A Zion Lab Livestream

Thu, 06 Nov 2025 17:53:59 +0000

This podcast episode is a portion of a Zion Lab livestream discussing the challenges and best practices of bishop’s wives as they support their husbands in their demanding calling.

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Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

The central topic of the conversation revolved around navigating the emotional, physical, and relational demands of the role, with a particular focus on combating the common feeling of loneliness and isolation experienced by the wives. The conversation provided practical tools for setting boundaries and lessons on delegation.

Key Insights

Loneliness and Entity Status: A common struggle is the feeling of loneliness, stemming from the bishop’s need for strict confidentiality (preventing him from sharing heavy matters with his wife) and the public perception of the family as a “third person” or “entity,” which can complicate social dynamics within the ward.

The Need for Boundaries: Wives act as protectors of their husband’s time and the marital relationship. They learn to set boundaries by directing members to approach the bishop directly rather than using the wife as a “back door” intermediary for requests or feedback.

The 24-Hour Rule: Multiple participants recommended the practice of waiting up to 24 hours before responding to non-urgent communications. This method ensures that true emergencies are addressed while allowing non-urgent issues to often resolve themselves, freeing up the bishop’s mental space and time.

Delegation to Empower: Effective delegation is essential to lessen the bishop’s burden. One participant emphasized fully empowering the elders quorum and Relief Society presidents to handle the adult members of the ward, allowing the bishopric to focus its primary attention on the youth.

Defining the Role Through Priesthood Blessing: While the role is not a formal calling, it is sacred. Multiple participants recommended that the bishop or stake president give the wife a priesthood blessing to provide personal direction and spiritual clarity on her unique role and areas of focus.

Finding Joy in Involvement: Wives can find connection by being involved on a family level. One participant shared that quarterly planning of creative Sacrament Meetings (e.g., Q&A sessions, open mics) with the entire bishopric and their wives led to a more exciting church experience for the congregation and increased her own joy.

Leadership Applications

Spiritual Support: Bishops should give their wives a priesthood blessing upon being called to help them understand their unique, inspired role and receive strength for the coming demands.

Teach Proper Channels: Bishopric members and other ward leaders must teach members to utilize the proper channels for help, such as ministering brothers/sisters, rather than immediately contacting the bishop for non-confidential or non-urgent matters.

Empower Quorum/RS Leadership: Leaders must fully empower and train the elders quorum and Relief Society presidencies to confidently lead the adults, reducing the bishopric’s workload and allowing them to successfully focus on their primary responsibility of ministering to the youth.

00:03:00 – Experience with Sacrament Meeting Planning
00:05:00 – Involvement of Bishopric Wives
00:06:00 – Unique Sacrament Meeting Formats
00:08:00 – Navigating Involvement and Expectations
00:10:00 – Hyper-Awareness as a Bishop’s Wife
00:12:00 – Setting Boundaries with Congregation
00:14:00 – Protecting the Bishop’s Time
00:16:00 – Delegation Strategies for Bishops
00:18:00 – Balancing Family and Church Responsibilities
00:20:00 – Navigating Relationships with Ward Members
00:22:00 – Supporting a New Bishop
00:24:00 – Seeking Guidance and Blessings
00:26:00 – The Role of the Bishop’s Wife
00:28:00 – Addressing Feelings of Loneliness

Autism in Your Ward | An Interview with Liberty Kepford and Robert Johnson

Sat, 01 Nov 2025 07:00:17 +0000

Liberty Kepford lives in Tallahassee, Florida. She is a youth Sunday School teacher and has also served in a Primary presidency and as a Primary teacher. Liberty previously taught 5th grade and now works as a curriculum writer for the homeschool curriculum “Art Makes Me Smart”. She and her father, Robert Johnson, are the authors of Autism in Christ’s Church.

Robert Johnson lives in Starr Valley, Nevada. He serves in his ward Sunday School presidency and has previously served in a stake presidency and as a bishop. He recently retired from teaching K-12 Special Education, is a board-certified behavior analyst (BCBA), and runs Nevada Behavior and Autism. Robert and his wife are Liberty’s parents and will be serving a mission in Kumasi, Ghana, starting in 2026.

Links

Autism in Christ’s Church
Church Disabilities Help
Disability Specialist in the Handbook
Navigating Autism as a Church Leader | An Interview with Michele Portlock
Why Your Ward Needs a Disabilities Specialist | A How I Lead Interview with Anna Rast
Leading Those with Special Needs | An Interview with Stan Beagley
Creating a Culture of Inclusion and Acceptance
Meeting the Needs of our Special Needs Children
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

In this episode, Liberty and Robert discuss their book, Autism in Christ’s Church, which aims to provide insights and resources for Latter-day Saints regarding autism and how to create inclusive church environments. They emphasize the importance of understanding the diverse experiences of individuals on the autism spectrum and the role of disability specialists in supporting these individuals and their families.

Key Insights

Diversity of Autism Experiences: Autism is a spectrum, and individuals experience it differently. The book shares various stories that highlight these unique experiences, emphasizing that there is no one-size-fits-all approach to supporting individuals with autism in the church.

Role of Disability Specialists: Disability specialists are crucial in church settings, providing tailored support to individuals with autism. Their presence can significantly enhance the church experience for both individuals and their families.

Communication and Collaboration: Effective communication between parents, leaders, and disability specialists is essential. Regular meetings and open dialogue can help create a supportive environment that meets the needs of individuals with autism.

Social Skills Development: Leaders should focus on helping individuals with autism develop social skills through structured interactions and support, especially during transitional phases like moving into young men’s or young women’s groups.

Utilizing Strengths: Individuals with autism often have unique strengths and interests. Leaders should identify these strengths and provide opportunities for individuals to contribute meaningfully to the church community.

Leadership Applications

Empower Disability Specialists: Leaders should actively call and support disability specialists in their wards, ensuring they have the resources and training needed to assist individuals with autism effectively.

Foster Inclusive Environments: Create a culture of understanding and acceptance by encouraging open discussions about autism and providing training for leaders and members on how to interact positively with individuals on the spectrum.

Encourage Participation: Leaders can help individuals with autism find suitable callings that align with their strengths, fostering a sense of belonging and purpose within the church community.

00:04:11 – Origin of the Book “Autism in Christ’s Church”
00:04:54 – Robert’s Expertise in Special Education
00:06:28 – Resources for Latter-day Saints and Autism
00:07:15 – Structure of the Book: Stories and Experiences
00:08:48 – Liberty’s Background with Autism
00:09:36 – Robert’s Journey into Special Education
00:10:23 – Understanding the Autism Spectrum
00:12:16 – The Importance of Inclusion in Church
00:13:11 – Gathering Insights from Families
00:14:35 – The Role of Disability Specialists
00:15:25 – Qualities of an Effective Disability Specialist
00:17:05 – The Need for Support Beyond the Individual
00:18:10 – The Role of Parents and Leaders
00:19:32 – Proactive Approach to Disability Specialists
00:21:02 – Revelation and Leadership in the Church
00:22:19 – Youth as Disability Specialists
00:23:09 – The Importance of Councils in Support
00:24:33 – Communication and Collaboration
00:26:05 – Engaging Individuals with Autism in Activities
00:27:10 – Highlighting Personal Stories from the Book
00:29:05 – Utilizing Strengths and Service Opportunities
00:31:16 – Navigating Autism Across Different Ages
00:39:07 – Young Single Adults and Autism
00:45:58 – Mission Experiences for Individuals with Autism

Creating Essential Change In Your Organization | An Interview with Greg McKeown

Wed, 29 Oct 2025 07:00:40 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in August 2020.

Greg McKeown has dedicated his career to discovering why some people and teams break through to the next level—and others don’t. The definitive treatment of this issue is addressed in his New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestseller, Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less. Greg hosts The Greg McKeown Podcast with guests such as Harvard professor Arthur Brooks, Matthew McConaughey, Maria Shriver, John Hope Bryant, and Ariana Huffington. He is one of the most sought-after public speakers globally, with clients including Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Nike.

Originally from London, England, Greg now lives near Phoenix, Arizona, with his wife Anna and their family. In this interview Greg and Kurt talk about how small, consistent steps are more effective for creating lasting change than grand, overwhelming efforts. At the time of this recording, Greg was serving as an elders quorum president in his ward in California.

Links

Being an Essentialism Bishop | An Interview with Greg McKeown
Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less
GregMcKeown.com
One-Minute Missionary Work videos
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

In this episode, Greg discusses the principles of essentialism and how they can be applied to leadership within the Latter-day Saint community. He emphasizes the importance of focusing on small, manageable changes to foster growth and connection in both personal and church leadership contexts.

Key Insights

Essentialism Defined: Essentialism is the disciplined pursuit of less, focusing on what truly matters rather than getting overwhelmed by numerous tasks and responsibilities.

Small and Simple Changes: Greg highlights the scriptural principle that “by small and simple means are great things brought to pass,” advocating for incremental improvements rather than sweeping changes.

The Importance of Relationships: Building genuine relationships within the church community is crucial. Leaders should strive to understand the struggles of others, as most individuals face challenges that may not be immediately visible.

Avoiding Overwhelm: Change does not have to be hard or abrupt. Leaders should focus on small, consistent actions that can lead to significant progress over time.

Celebrating Successes: Recognizing and celebrating even minor achievements can motivate individuals and foster a sense of community and accomplishment.

Leadership Applications

Incremental Improvements: Latter-day Saint leaders can implement small changes in their quorums or wards, such as enhancing home teaching efforts by celebrating small successes rather than overhauling the entire system.

Fostering Relationships: Leaders should prioritize building relationships by checking in on members regularly and asking meaningful questions to understand their needs better.

Setting Realistic Goals: Instead of aiming for grandiose changes, leaders can focus on achievable, small goals that encourage participation and engagement, making it easier for members to contribute and feel valued.

By applying these principles, leaders can create a more supportive and effective environment within their congregations, ultimately leading to stronger connections and spiritual growth.

00:02:40 – Essentialism and Its Impact
00:03:44 – Greg’s Leadership Journey
00:05:06 – Adapting to COVID in Leadership
00:06:57 – The Power of Small Changes
00:09:06 – Celebrating Small Victories
00:10:24 – Family History Made Simple
00:12:12 – Overcoming Overwhelm in Family History
00:13:50 – The Importance of Small Steps
00:15:07 – Engaging with Family History
00:16:39 – The Reality of Change vs. Progress
00:18:30 – The Role of Empathy in Leadership
00:19:04 – Understanding Universal Suffering
00:20:10 – Building Relationships in Leadership
00:22:35 – The Challenge of Fixing Others’ Problems
00:24:37 – The Complexity of Bishopric Responsibilities
00:27:23 – The Need for Honest Communication
00:29:44 – Current Callings and Expectations
00:30:55 – The Importance of Family Relationships
00:32:34 – The Long-Term Impact of Parenting
00:34:06 – Defining Success in Parenting
00:36:05 – The Role of Agency in Relationships
00:37:42 – Measuring Success in Family Time
00:39:50 – The Challenge of Guilt in Parenting
00:42:02 – The Importance of Asking for Feedback
00:44:02 – The Power of Small Incremental Changes
00:46:01 – Overcoming Overwhelm in Life
00:49:15 – Navigating Uncertainty and Fear

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Are We Building Bridges or Better Arguments? | An Interview with Jeff McCullough

Sat, 25 Oct 2025 07:00:48 +0000

Jeff McCullough is an ordained minister and has served in ministry for over 25 years, including 15 years in pastoral ministry. He holds a Master’s in Biblical Studies from Moody Theological Seminary. Now serving in Utah, Jeff previously spent two decades preaching and leading in the St. Louis area. He focuses on using online platforms to create content that fosters curious, honest, and respectful interfaith conversations about faith, Jesus, and scripture. Jeff and his wife, Joy, have four children.

Links

@HelloSaints on YouTube
@Hello.Saints on Instagram
Fitting in With Other Christian Churches | A Discussion with Jeff McCullough
When a Pastor Explores The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints | An Interview with Jeff McCullough
Allowing Our Pain to Turn Us to Christ | An Interview with Joy McCullough
A Latter-day Saint Bishop Sits Down with Four Evangelical Pastors
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Jeff discusses the evolution of his content creation, and his intentions regarding the Latter-day Saint community. The conversation centers on the dynamics of interfaith dialogue, the pitfalls of theological simplification, and the challenge of keeping Christ—rather than cultural rules or personal motives—at the center of Christian faith and ministry.

Key Insights

A Shift in Intent: Jeff’s channel has evolved from initial exploration to intentionally maintaining a safe space for sustained, nuanced dialogue between Protestants and Latter-day Saints. His primary goal is to foster a conversation where all parties focus on the shared desire to see Christ “high and lifted up” [48:44].

Authenticity Over Stereotype: To improve dialogue, Jeff’s method is to learn to recognize the authentic core beliefs of the Latter-day Saint tradition. This allows him to push past misconceptions and stereotypes, making for more efficient and productive conversation [06:13].

Beware of Theological Shorthand: Both traditions are guilty of using “theological shorthand,” which reduces complex doctrine (e.g., heaven, grace) to superficial, culturally driven explanations. They encourage leaders to move past these simplifications to grasp the deeper, more complex theological concepts [12:42].

Bridging vs. Converting: They discuss the idea of Jeff converting, concluding that his ongoing role as a non-Latter-day Saint bridge-builder and model of interfaith respect is a more fruitful endeavor for the greater Kingdom than a simple conversion [52:03].

The Dangers of Cultural Gatekeeping: Jeff shares his concern over “cultural Christianity” in the Evangelical world, where non-essential cultural rules and political positions become the “litmus test” for faith, resulting in toxicity and obstructing the clarity of the gospel [57:33].

Faith Maturity: A mature faith should be able to sit with the complexity of opposing views and challenging historical or doctrinal issues. Viewing such dialogue as a threat indicates an opportunity for spiritual inoculation and growth [46:10].

Leadership Applications

Prioritize the “Point”: Leaders should distinguish between things that “matter” (secondary doctrinal debates, value systems) and “the point” (the centrality of Christ and the message of redemption), ensuring that cultural expectations do not overshadow the core gospel message [01:02:25].

Model Curiosity, not Criticism: Leaders should approach different faith traditions, complicated church history, and internal member struggles with curiosity over criticism to foster a culture of sincere, thoughtful engagement [01:04:40].

Address Motives Directly: Leaders should push back against cynical or superficial tropes like the misuse of the word “priestcraft,” instead encouraging members to seek to understand a person’s heart and genuine intentions [23:29].

00:02:30 – The Dynamic of Content Creation
00:03:35 – Mr. Rogers and Early Influences
00:04:31 – Pastor Jeff’s Journey with Hello Saints
00:05:46 – Understanding the Latter-day Saint Paradigm
00:08:06 – Advice to Early Content Creators
00:10:23 – Theological Shorthand Explained
00:12:23 – Engaging in Interfaith Dialogue
00:16:46 – Addressing Skepticism from Both Sides
00:19:00 – The Financial Aspect of Ministry
00:24:55 – The Importance of Heart in Ministry
00:28:09 – Future Content Ideas for Hello Saints
00:31:49 – The Role of Evangelical Churches in Utah
00:36:30 – Navigating Church Visits as a Latter-day Saint
00:40:09 – Advice for Visiting Evangelical Churches

A Case for the Book of Mormon | An Interview with Tad R. Callister

Thu, 23 Oct 2025 19:41:32 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in May 2019.

Tad R. Callister served as Sunday School general president, in the Presidency of the Seventy, as a member of the Second Quorum of the Seventy, an Area Seventy, president of the Canada Toronto East mission, regional representative, stake president, bishop, and as a full-time missionary in the Eastern Atlantic States Mission. Brother Callister held an accounting degree from BYU, a Juris Doctorate degree from UCLA, and a master’s degree in tax law from NYU Law School. He is the grandson of apostle LeGrand Richards and the author of several books, including The Infinite Atonement and A Case for the Book of Mormon. He and his wife, Kathryn Louise Saporiti, are the parents of six children.

Links

A Case for the Book of Mormon
God’s Compelling Witness: The Book of Mormon
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

2:30 Moving on from being released as General Sunday School president

4:20 Which came first, the book or the talk?

5:15 How his law practice helped him crystallize thoughts when writing

5:50 His approach to personal study

6:10 Lesson to seek and ponder his own insight first before turning to doctrinal commentary

8:00 Studying first thing in the morning, and writing along with reading has helped him summarize his thoughts while studying the scriptures

8:50 Questioning and discussing with others is part of pondering

10:00 Reason can strengthen faith, and logic and the Spirit can go hand-in-hand

11:40 The audience for the book is first people who have testimonies that can be strengthened and who can help strengthen the testimonies of others, as well as those who may have questions, and finally critics

12:40 A partial truth, when presented as a whole truth, is an untruth

13:00 Less than 2% of the archeological finds in ancient America have been unearthed

16:00 An intellectual witness of scripture does not come from archeological findings, whether regarding the Bible or the Book of Mormon

16:40 His grandfather LeGrand Richards was a common-man leader, related to everyone, and simply loved people

19:15 Ward Sunday School presidents are not merely bell-ringers because they are in charge of the teacher councils, and they have the responsibility to help improve the teaching of every teacher in every organization, and to see that the individual and family curriculum is being implemented in every home

21:50 One purpose of the Come Follow Me curriculum is to take us from reading the scriptures to pondering the scriptures and discussing them. In the homes, it is the catalyst for discussion and learning the gospel together.

23:30 There has been a substantial increase in individual and family study, and class members from children to adults are better prepared for Sunday meetings

24:10 He and his counselors traveled internationally and were able to get a good idea of what was happening with teacher council meetings

25:10 Practicing through role play at the end of teacher council meetings was one thing they observed and recognized as an effective implementation in those meetings

25:45 Another effective implementation is the change to Christ-centered Easter Sunday and Christmas services so that members can invite others to come worship with them

27:30 Surprised at his call as the General Sunday School president

28:20 They were given a lot of latitude but there was a clear expectation to improve teaching in the home and at church

30:20 Traveling and visiting as a Sunday School general auxiliary president was to teach in general how to teach more like the Savior, to help teachers make teacher counsels more effective, and to discuss in focus groups what was working or not working in areas around the world

31:40 In the presidency of a Quorum of Seventy, they were given responsibility for a specific area, and were to train area seventies, and serve on committees for a variety of topics

33:30 Hoping that his book can help strengthen the testimonies of readers

34:00 His leadership callings have helped him be more humble and recognize the value of other people’s ideas and the input of his counselors

Creating the Experiences Youth Need | An Interview with Skyler Wilcox

Sat, 18 Oct 2025 07:00:23 +0000

Skyler Wilcox is originally from Logan, Utah and is the senior administrator with the Especially For Youth (EFY) program. He has a bachelors degree in Broadcast Journalism and a masters degree in Public Administration, both from Brigham Young University. After working as a counselor and coordinator for four summers, Skyler joined the EFY team full time in 2020. When not at work, he enjoys cheering on his favorite sports teams, including the Jazz, Cougars, Cowboys, and Mammoth. He also loves musical theater and performing on stage. Skyler married his sweetheart Jenny and they have adopted four children through foster care. Previous Church callings include ward clerk, assistant executive secretary, youth Sunday School teacher, and elders quorum secretary.

Links

EFY: Especially for Youth
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Overview
The conversation centers on how EFY has successfully adapted its model after the Church’s 2019 announcement of FSY (For the Strength of Youth) and what principles leaders can use to create profound, testimony-building experiences for their own youth.

Key Insights
EFY’s New Focus on Specialized Experiences: EFY still exists but has transitioned from the traditional campus model to running specialized, experiential programs to complement FSY. These include Adventure sessions (like white water rafting and canyoning) and Church History tours, which are designed for youth who thrive in active, challenging, and outdoor learning environments.

Connection and Authenticity are Paramount: The most crucial need for youth today is genuine connection. Skyler emphasizes that leaders must be vulnerable and authentic, avoiding an overly enthusiastic or “rah-rah” persona that youth perceive as fake. This realness is key to building trust.

Teach the Gospel Directly: Leaders should not shy away from teaching the doctrines of Jesus Christ plainly and straightforwardly. Skyler asserts that youth are not only ready to hear the gospel as it is but actively need it to navigate the complexities of the modern world.

Fostering a Sense of Being Known: The new, smaller scale of EFY sessions cultivates a tight-knit environment where youth are known by their counselors as individuals, rather than just numbers in a large group. This personal attention fosters deeper, more impactful faith connections.

Inspiring Personal Revelation: Effective teaching is ultimately focused on pointing the youth back to their own personal study and experience. The best teachers share their own personal “aha moments” they’ve gained through scripture study, inspiring youth to develop the habit of seeking and receiving personal revelation for themselves.

Experiential Learning as a Faith Catalyst: Activities that are a little uncomfortable or risky (like completing a difficult outdoor challenge) create a “bank” of faith. Skyler notes these experiences teach youth they “can do hard things,” preparing them to rely on the Savior when facing future real-world challenges.

Leadership Applications
Be Genuine, Not Goofy: Rather than trying to be excessively “cool” or entertaining, leaders should focus on being authentic by finding moments to be vulnerable and share sincere experiences prompted by the Spirit, which naturally builds resonance with the youth.

Prioritize Love Over Doctrine: When encountering a youth who is disengaged or struggling, leaders should first ensure they are loving the youth unconditionally. This Christ-like love creates the lasting impact that will open the door for teaching another day, even if not everything can be taught at once.

Empower Young Adults: Recognizing the pivotal nature of the young adult years, leaders can look for opportunities to involve them in service and leadership. For instance, EFY has successfully expanded its counselor roles to include married couples, which strengthens the young adults’ own testimonies while giving the youth a powerful, Christ-centered marriage example.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Serving on the High Council | A Zion Lab Livestream

Fri, 10 Oct 2025 01:00:45 +0000

High Council members engaged in a live discussion focused on sharing ideas and experiences to strengthen how councils serve their wards and stakes. This podcast is a portion of the livestream discussion.

Watch the video and share your thoughts in the Zion Lab community

Links

The entire conversation and transcript are available in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Overview

This episode of the Zion Lab live stream from Leading Saints featured a discussion among several current and former Stake High Councilors, focusing on the practical challenges and opportunities of their calling. The participants shared their experiences, best practices, and innovative ideas for magnifying their assignments, effectively bridging communication between the stake and ward levels, and overcoming feelings of inadequacy.

Key Insights

The Need for Proactivity: The High Council calling can often feel “open-ended,” allowing a High Councilor to “do as much as you want” or very little. Leaders are encouraged to be proactive—actively engaging with assigned elders quorum presidencies and ward organizations rather than just attending mandatory meetings.

Equality and Insecurity in Calling: New High Councilors frequently feel overwhelmed or insecure when working alongside more seasoned leaders. Counsel was given to overcome this by recognizing that all callings are equal in the sight of the Lord and that the High Councilor’s voice and spiritual insights are vital to the council’s deliberations.

Role as a Spiritual Messenger: High Councilors should see themselves as direct representatives of the Stake Presidency, similar to a General Authority visiting a stake. They are encouraged to be visible, bring spiritual knowledge and instruction, and share a spiritual thought when addressing wards, not merely delivering routine announcements.

Mandate to Testify of Christ: Some stakes guide speaking assignments with a General Conference talk, but emphasize that the talk, whether prepared or spontaneous, must be interwoven with a powerful personal testimony of Christ to ensure the Spirit is present.

Training and Dissemination of Principles: A core function of the High Council is to receive leadership principles and instruction in the Stake Council. High Councilors are then responsible for taking that training and counsel out to their assigned ward bishoprics and organization presidencies.

Leadership Applications

Foster Cross-Ward Learning: Stake Presidencies can gain valuable insights and enrich their High Councilors by encouraging them to attend the leadership meetings of the wards where they speak, even if it is not their assigned ward. This exposes High Councilors to diverse operational models among ward councils, creating a cross-training effect.

Centralize Administrative Resources: High Councilors should utilize group communication methods, such as shared text threads or digital notes, to quickly share tactical administrative advice, official wording for callings and releases, and handbook references, streamlining the logistical aspects of the calling.

Elevate the Message of Love: High Councilors should consistently make a concerted effort to express the genuine love, thoughts, and prayers of the Stake Presidency to the ward members, ensuring the members feel validated, “seen, and prayed for” by their stake leadership.

00:01:36 – Kicking Off: The “Open-Ended” Nature of the High Councilor Calling
00:04:04 – Overcoming Insecurity and Magnifying the Calling
00:06:06 – Advice on Equality and Being a Visible Representative
00:09:38 – The Role of the Spirit vs. Experience in Calling
00:11:23 – Key Role: Training and Teaching Ward Leaders
00:13:07 – Strategies for Stake Engagement: Ward Reporting and Training
00:14:44 – Unique Assignment: Attending Cross-Ward Leadership Meetings
00:16:37 – Close Relationship with Stake Presidency and Financial Duties
00:18:38 – Tactical Tip: Using a High Councilor Text Group for Logistics
00:20:32 – Speaking Assignments: Including Youth and Missionaries as Companions
00:22:31 – Reiterating the High Councilor’s Role as Spiritual Guide
00:24:52 – Speaking Mandate: Testify of Christ and Use GA Talks
00:25:50 – The “Awkward” but Necessary Expression of Stake Presidency Love

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

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The Life of Sister Dantzel White Nelson | An Interview with Marjorie Nelson Lowder

Sat, 04 Oct 2025 01:57:11 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in February 2024.

Marjorie Nelson Lowder discusses the remarkable life and enduring influence of her mother, Dantzel White Nelson.

Born and raised in Salt Lake City, Utah, Marjorie grew up as the 9th of 10 children of President Russell M. Nelson and Sister Dantzel White Nelson, surrounded by music, books, art, faith and lots of love. She loves to spend time creating, being in nature and gathering with her family and friends. She is an artist, vocalist, and the author/illustrator of a book based on a favorite lullaby her mother used to sing, Pudding on the Moon.

This conversation honors Dantzel’s legacy as a deeply-faithful Latter-day Saint, wife, and mother, emphasizing the principles and traditions she established that created a foundation of unity and spiritual strength for her family.

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Links

Pudding on the Moon
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

In this episode, Kurt interviews Marjorie, the youngest daughter of President Russell M. Nelson, to honor her late mother, Dantzel White Nelson. The conversation explores Dantzel’s life, her influence on the family, and the legacy she left behind, particularly through a children’s book Marjorie authored inspired by a lullaby her mother used to sing.
00:02:55 – Honoring Dantzel White Nelson
Discussion on the life and legacy of President Nelson’s first wife.

00:04:28 – Marjorie’s Book: Putting on the Moon
Introduction to Marjorie’s children’s book inspired by her mother.

00:05:41 – Marjorie’s Early Memories
Marjorie shares her early memories of her mother and family traditions.

00:08:11 – Dantzel’s Background
Details about Dantzel White Nelson’s upbringing and education.

00:09:50 – Courtship of Dantzel and Russell Nelson
The romantic story of how Dantzel and Russell Nelson met and fell in love.

00:10:36 – Family Life and Traditions
Insights into the family dynamics and traditions created by Dantzel.

00:12:32 – Family Olympics and Celebrations
Description of unique family events and celebrations organized by Dantzel.

00:14:19 – Creating Special Memories
Marjorie’s reflections on how her mother made family gatherings memorable.

00:16:26 – Navigating a Large Family
Challenges and dynamics of growing up in a family with many daughters.

00:19:00 – Father’s Medical Career
Insights into the life of being the daughter of a surgeon and its impact on family life.

00:22:26 – Church Callings and Choir
Discussion of Dantzel’s involvement in church callings and her time with the Tabernacle Choir.

00:25:23 – Singing Legacy
Marjorie’s connection to her mother’s musical legacy and family singing traditions.

00:30:11 – Becoming an Apostle
Marjorie’s experience learning about her father’s call to be an apostle.

00:32:04 – Adjusting to New Roles
How Dantzel adapted to her new role as the wife of an apostle.

00:33:31 – Mother-Daughter Relationship
Reflections on Marjorie’s relationship with her mother as a young adult.

00:35:05 – Dantzel’s Calm Demeanor
Stories highlighting Dantzel’s patience and temperament as a mother.

00:39:10 – Coping with Loss
Marjorie’s thoughts on her mother’s sudden passing and the support received.

00:41:44 – Legacy and Remembrance
The importance of sharing stories and memories of Dantzel with others.

Leading in the Lord’s Way | An Interview with Ernest Davis

Sat, 27 Sep 2025 07:09:16 +0000

Ernest Lee Davis, a native of Los Angeles, California, spent most of his life there before earning an athletic scholarship to the University of Idaho, where he graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Communications. He earned his MBA from Western Governors University and will finish his Doctorate in Philosophy of Leadership with an emphasis on Servant-Leadership from Gonzaga University this year. Ernest has worked as a finish manager/leader in the aerospace industry for over 15 years at Skills Inc., a nonprofit organization that partners with The Boeing Company. He has dedicated his career to creating meaningful opportunities for persons with disabilities and other marginalized groups, encouraging an inclusive and diverse workforce.

A devoted follower of Jesus Christ, Ernest joined the Church in 2005 and is committed to living the Savior’s teachings and sharing his personal story of resilience. He is the author of the best-selling book Leading in the Lord’s Way: A Journey of Servant Leadership, and I Am Aye Child of God. At church, he has served as a member of his stake high council and currently as stake Young Men first counselor. Ernest and his wife, Ruth, have three children and live in Puyallup, Washington.

Links

Leading in the Lord’s Way: A Journey of Servant Leadership
I am Aye Child of God
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Summary

Ernest explores servant leadership principles and shares insights from his personal journey, emphasizing the importance of empathy, stewardship, and building a beloved community.

Key Insights

Servant Leadership: Ernest emphasizes the concept of leading through service, drawing on his experiences and the teachings of the gospel. He intertwines personal stories with leadership principles to illustrate how effective leadership is rooted in empathy and understanding.

Empathy: Understanding others’ perspectives is crucial for effective leadership. Ernest shares examples of how empathy can help leaders connect with individuals from diverse backgrounds and support them in overcoming their challenges.

Stewardship: Leaders are responsible for nurturing the talents and potential of those they serve. Ernest encourages leaders to recognize their stewardship over individuals in their communities and to cultivate their growth.

Beloved Community: The idea of Zion as a beloved community is central to Ernest’s message. He advocates for inclusivity and acceptance, stressing the importance of making everyone feel welcome and valued within the church.

Diversity in Leadership: Ernest highlights the need for diverse representation in leadership roles to better serve marginalized communities and to foster a more inclusive environment within the church.

Leadership Applications

Fostering Empathy: Latter-day Saint leaders can practice empathy by actively listening to the experiences of those they serve, which can help build trust and understanding within their communities.

Cultivating Talents: Leaders should focus on identifying and nurturing the unique talents of individuals in their wards, creating opportunities for them to contribute and grow.

Building Inclusive Communities: By promoting a sense of belonging and acceptance, leaders can create a welcoming environment that encourages participation from all members, regardless of their background or circumstances.

Highlights

00:03:17 – Inspiration for Writing the Book
Ernest shares what inspired him to write “Leading in the Lord’s Way.”

00:04:03 – Early Life and Challenges
Ernest discusses his upbringing, homelessness, and the journey to college football.

00:05:07 – Meeting the Missionaries
How Ernest first encountered the missionaries and his initial experience with the Book of Mormon.

00:06:32 – Knee Injury and Finding the Covenant Path
The impact of Ernest’s knee injury on his life and how it led him to baptism.

00:06:43 – Leadership Aspirations
Discussion on Ernest’s aspirations in football and leadership during his college years.

00:07:41 – Influential Coach
The role of Coach Washington in Ernest’s life and how he helped him and his brother.

00:10:11 – Journey to the University of Idaho
Ernest’s transition to college football and the support he received.

00:11:42 – Servant Leadership and Community Impact
Ernest’s focus on servant leadership and uplifting marginalized communities.

00:13:11 – Advice for Church Leaders
Suggestions on how church leaders can support marginalized groups.

00:15:49 – Importance of Representation
The significance of diversity in church leadership and outreach.

00:18:01 – Influential Figures in Ernest’s Life
Discussion of various mentors and role models who shaped Ernest’s journey.

00:20:26 – Ten Principles of Servant Leadership
Overview of the ten characteristics of servant leadership discussed in Ernest’s book.

00:23:59 – Stewardship
Exploration of stewardship and the responsibility of leaders to cultivate talents.

00:24:59 – Beloved Community
The concept of Zion as a beloved community and the importance of inclusivity.

00:25:50 – Empathy in Leadership
The role of empathy in understanding and supporting others.

The Local Ward When Tragedy Strikes | A Conversation with Dan Duckworth

Sat, 20 Sep 2025 07:00:51 +0000

In this podcast episode, Kurt Francom and Dan Duckworth discuss the importance of addressing community tragedies within Latter-day Saint congregations. They explore how leaders can create spaces for healing and connection during difficult times, emphasizing the role of vulnerability and unity in fostering a supportive church environment.

Dan Duckworth speaks, teaches, and writes on leadership, power, and systemic change. His forthcoming book, The Leader in Chains (spring 2026), challenges conventional ideas and calls for a radical rethinking of leadership—and how it is developed.

Links

Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Overview

Perception of Community Needs: Leaders should be attuned to the emotional climate of their congregations, recognizing when community tragedies impact members. This awareness can guide appropriate responses.

Risk of Vulnerability: Addressing difficult topics in church settings can feel risky, but it is essential for fostering genuine connections and healing. Leaders should embrace this risk to create a supportive environment.

Purpose of Church: The church serves not only as a place for learning doctrine but also as a community for healing and support. Engaging in open discussions about current events can strengthen faith and unity.

Creating Safe Spaces: Leaders can facilitate discussions that allow members to express their feelings and experiences, promoting emotional processing and community bonding.

Driving the Hope Train: Leaders should focus on instilling hope and directing conversations toward Christ’s teachings, using scriptural stories to provide comfort and guidance during challenging times.

Leadership Applications

Fostering Open Dialogue: Leaders can initiate conversations about current events or tragedies, encouraging members to share their feelings and experiences. This can be done through structured discussions or informal check-ins.

Building Trust and Safety: By consistently creating a culture of vulnerability and support, leaders can ensure that members feel safe to express their emotions and seek help when needed.

Integrating Healing into Meetings: Leaders can incorporate discussions of community challenges into regular meetings, ensuring that spiritual teachings are connected to real-life experiences, thus reinforcing the church’s role as a healing community.

Highlights

06:16 – Institutional vs. Leadership Responses
08:13 – Personal Experience of Grief
10:10 – The Purpose of Church in Times of Crisis
12:32 – The Role of Perception in Leadership
14:01 – A Personal Story of Compassion
16:17 – The Risk of Addressing Difficult Topics
17:41 – The Importance of Community Healing
19:12 – Audience Engagement and Reactions
20:00 – Navigating Political Sensitivities
22:08 – Creating a Safe Space for Discussion
23:37 – The Role of Vulnerability in Unity
25:32 – Addressing the Fear of Group Therapy
27:30 – Driving the Hope Train
30:06 – Preparing the Elders Quorum for Discussion
31:15 – The Impact of Leadership Culture
33:11 – Fulfilling the Purpose of Elders Quorum
38:14 – The Value of Risk in Leadership
40:00 – Living Life Together in Church
42:43 – The Dangers of Hypocrisy in Worship

Personal Burnout While Being Bishop | How I Lead with Golden Lund

Wed, 17 Sep 2025 07:00:37 +0000

Golden Lund holds three degrees in music from the University of Utah, Indiana University and the University of Nebraska. He is currently a music instructor at St. Ambrose University in Davenport, Iowa, where he helps direct the marching band, pep band, and teaches tuba and other brass instruments. He also performs regularly on the tuba with a semi-professional orchestra in Lincoln, Nebraska.

Golden was recently released as a bishop and served in several leadership capacities previously including elders quorum president, high priest group leader, Young Men president, and on his stake high council. Golden and his wife Sandy have been married for 17 years and are the proud parents of two children—a daughter and son who are 12-year-old twins and amaze them every day.

Links

Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

In this episode of the Leading Saints podcast, Kurt interviews Golden, a former bishop from Bettendorf, Iowa, who shares his experiences and insights from his five-year tenure in leadership during the challenging times of the COVID-19 pandemic. The conversation focuses on mental health, vulnerability in leadership, and the importance of community support.

Key Insights:

Mental Health Awareness: Golden discusses his struggles with mental health, particularly during a significant crash after a year and a half of service. He emphasizes the importance of seeking help and the positive impact of counseling and medication.

Vulnerability in Leadership: By sharing his personal challenges with his ward, Golden fostered a culture of openness, encouraging others to share their struggles and creating a supportive environment.

The Sariah Factor: Golden introduces the concept of the Sariah Factor, highlighting the need for leaders to trust their perspective and discernment, even when others may not understand the decisions being made.

Delegation and Empowerment: He shares how he empowered his ward leaders, such as the Relief Society and Elders Quorum presidents, to take on responsibilities, which helped alleviate his workload and fostered a sense of ownership among leaders.

Community Support: Golden underscores the importance of community, noting that members often overlook the challenges faced by their leaders. Simple expressions of gratitude can significantly uplift those in leadership roles.

Leadership Applications:

Encourage Open Communication: Leaders should create an environment where members feel comfortable sharing their struggles, which can strengthen community bonds and support.

Prioritize Mental Health: Leaders should recognize the importance of mental health and seek help when needed, setting an example for others to do the same.

Empower Others: By delegating responsibilities and trusting ward leaders, bishops can manage their workload more effectively while fostering leadership skills in others, ultimately benefiting the entire ward.

05:32 – Calling as Bishop During COVID-19
07:18 – Navigating Early Days as Bishop
08:58 – Demographics of the Ward
10:45 – Reflection on Serving as Bishop
11:19 – Responsibilities of a Bishop
15:43 – Challenges and Overwhelm in Leadership
17:00 – Mental Health Struggles and Support
20:05 – Finding Help and Guidance
21:57 – The Importance of Vulnerability in Leadership
30:02 – Opening Up to the Ward About Struggles
33:44 – The Sariah Factor in Leadership Decisions
38:21 – Examples of Leadership Challenges
49:02 – The Messiness of Revelation in Leadership
51:19 – Normalizing Struggles in Leadership

8 Myths of Pornography Recovery—And the Truth Behind Them | An Interview with Curtis Morley

Mon, 15 Sep 2025 01:40:58 +0000

Curtis Morley is an author, coach, speaker, and “emotionologist” who has been an entrepreneur for most of his life. He is the author of The Entrepreneur’s Paradox, a Wall Street Journal bestseller. He also has a forthcoming book titled Counterfeit Emotions. His work focuses on helping people, including entrepreneurs, with personal development and growth. He has founded multiple companies and worked with many Fortune 100 businesses. He has also been recognized with awards such as Entrepreneur of the Year and has been included in the Inc. 500/5000 Hall of Fame.

Morley’s work and speaking engagements often center on the concept of “counterfeit emotions”—feelings that may seem authentic but can lead to destructive cycles of disconnection. He has developed a framework to help people identify and replace these emotions with authentic ones to live a more fulfilling life.

Links

The Entrepreneur’s Paradox: How to Overcome the 16 Pitfalls Along the Startup Journey
CounterfeitEmotions.com/recovery
RecoveryNotSobriety.com
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Curtis focuses on the myths surrounding pornography addiction. The discussion emphasizes the distinction between sobriety and recovery, exploring how understanding emotions can lead to more effective healing.

Key Insights

Sobriety vs. Recovery: Sobriety measures how long one can abstain from pornography, while recovery focuses on understanding and processing underlying emotions. True recovery involves addressing the root causes rather than merely avoiding the behavior.

Myth of Willpower: Overcoming pornography addiction is not solely about willpower. Many individuals struggle with deeper emotional issues that drive their behaviors, making it essential to address these emotions rather than just the actions.

Shame vs. Guilt: Guilt can be a motivating emotion that encourages individuals to make amends, while shame leads to disconnection and despair. Understanding this distinction is crucial for effective recovery.

Connection and Community: Building connections and fostering community can significantly aid recovery. Isolation often exacerbates addiction, while supportive relationships can provide the necessary encouragement and accountability.

The Importance of Processing Emotions: Curtis introduces the “whole” method for processing emotions, which includes witnessing emotions, harmonizing through breathing, opening the mind to triggers, leading one’s life, and editing the meaning of past experiences.

Leadership Applications

Creating Safe Spaces: Latter-day Saint leaders can foster environments where individuals feel safe to discuss their struggles with pornography and other issues without fear of judgment, encouraging open dialogue.

Focus on Emotional Health: Leaders should prioritize understanding the emotional triggers behind behaviors rather than just addressing the behaviors themselves. This approach can lead to more meaningful support and healing.

Encouraging Community Support: Leaders can facilitate peer support groups or mentorship programs that promote connection among members, helping individuals feel less isolated in their struggles and more empowered in their recovery journey.

00:02:15 – Understanding Sobriety vs. Recovery
00:06:49 – The Difference Between Sobriety and Recovery
00:09:06 – Emotional Triggers and Leadership
00:10:08 – The Myth of Sobriety
00:12:12 – Transformational Recovery
00:13:27 – Sobriety is Miserable, Recovery is Peaceful
00:15:02 – Taking Your Demons to Lunch
00:18:08 – Addiction to Shame
00:19:09 – Addressing the Root Causes
00:20:21 – The Loop of Shame and Addiction
00:22:36 – Guilt vs. Shame
00:24:06 – Identifying and Surfacing Demons
00:26:44 – The Importance of Connection
00:29:34 – The Role of Community in Recovery
00:30:17 – The Whole Method Explained
00:36:21 – Overview of the Myths

Church Leadership in the Age of AI | An Interview with Jeff Burningham

Sun, 07 Sep 2025 06:30:37 +0000

Jeff Burningham grew up in Spokane, Washington, served a mission in Charlotte, North Carolina, and attended Brigham Young University. A serial entrepreneur, Jeff has founded multiple companies in real estate technology and venture capital. He has also served in various church callings, including as a bishop and in a stake presidency. Jeff is a father of four, a proud grandfather, and the author of The Last Book Written by a Human: Becoming Wise in the Age of AI.

Links

The Last Book Written by a Human: Becoming Wise in the Age of AI
Stepping Up to Leadership Opportunities | An Interview with Jeff Burningham
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Jeff discusses his book, emphasizing the importance of human wisdom in a world increasingly dominated by artificial intelligence. He argues that while AI can enhance efficiency, it cannot replace the essence of human connection and community. He encourages church leaders to focus on being rather than doing, fostering genuine relationships within their congregations. The conversation explores how disruption, reflection, transformation, and evolution shape both personal and collective journeys in the age of AI. Jeff highlights the need for leaders to embrace change with love and grace, ultimately guiding their communities toward deeper connections and understanding.

00:03:49 – Jeff’s Background
Jeff shares his personal background, including his entrepreneurial journey and church leadership experience.

00:06:17 – The Essence of the Book
Exploration of the book’s focus on human wisdom versus AI capabilities.

00:07:45 – The Risks of AI
Discussion on the potential dangers of outsourcing humanity to machines.

00:09:56 – AI and Religion
The impact of AI on religious practices and the importance of human connection.

00:10:14 – Disruption, Reflection, Transformation, Evolution
Overview of the book’s structure and the significance of each section.

00:12:02 – Reforming Religion in the Age of AI
The need for religious organizations to adapt to the challenges posed by AI.

00:14:11 – Community Experience in Sunday School
Reframing the Sunday School experience as a community-building opportunity rather than just knowledge transfer.

00:16:00 – The Importance of Human Connection
Emphasizing the need for genuine human interaction in a technology-driven world.

00:21:07 – Bringing Being into Doing
Encouragement for leaders to focus on their presence and authenticity in interactions.

00:23:16 – The Role of AI in Church
Discussion on how AI can be used as a tool without replacing the human element in lessons and talks.

00:30:29 – Pattern Breakers
The significance of individuals who challenge norms and encourage growth within communities.

00:34:50 – Disruption as a Constant
Understanding disruption as a natural part of life and leadership.

00:40:10 – Reflection After Disruption
The importance of taking time to reflect on disruptions and learn from them.

00:46:22 – Transformation Through Reflection
How reflection leads to personal and collective transformation in the face of change.

God’s Grace Reaches Those Who Have Left Faith | An Interview with Matt Miles

Thu, 04 Sep 2025 00:00:14 +0000

Matt Miles is a Political Science professor at Brigham Young University–Idaho and a co-host of This Week in Mormons and the Latter-day Lens podcasts.

Links

The Latter-day Lens podcast
This Week in Mormons
The Metrics of Faith: Rethinking Religion’s Role in US Politics
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

This discussion centers on a research-backed framework for measuring religiosity, moving beyond traditional metrics to focus on the transformative effects of faith on an individual’s life.

Beyond the Three B’s: Traditionally, religiosity has been measured by “the three B’s”: Behavior (what a person does), Belonging (their social connections), and Belief (their convictions). Matt Miles argues that these are insufficient measures of genuine faith.

The Fourth B: Becoming: A more accurate measure is “religious becoming”—the extent to which a person has been transformed by their faith. This concept suggests that true religiosity is not just about actions but about internal change.

Four Aspects of Transformation: Based on his research, Miles identified four universal traits that indicate “religious becoming”: Transcendence (a connection to the divine), Humanity (love for others), Justice (a belief in fairness), and Temperance (humility).

Faith and Political Tolerance: The research shows that individuals with higher scores in “religious becoming” are more politically tolerant. They are less likely to view those with opposing political views as a threat, in contrast to those whose faith is measured only by the “three B’s.”

Challenges of Genuine Change: The episode highlights the difficulty for leaders and parents in discerning whether someone has truly been transformed by the gospel or is simply going through the motions.

Leadership Applications

Leaders should focus on teaching a “holistic gospel” that emphasizes the principles of “becoming,” rather than just providing a checklist of behaviors. This encourages genuine internal change over external compliance.

The discussion suggests that the Church is effective at teaching “transcendence” (connection to God) but could improve at teaching “humanity” (love for others) and “temperance” (humility). Leaders can apply this insight by creating more opportunities for members to serve others and develop empathy.

The research on political tolerance can help leaders foster more charitable and understanding discussions within their wards and stakes, particularly on sensitive topics.

The Polynesian Cultural Center Leadership | An Interview with Blair Treu

Tue, 26 Aug 2025 06:15:16 +0000

Blair Treu is an award-winning director whose work includes a variety of feature films, television shows, documentaries, and commercials for over 30 years—from The Power Rangers to Chicken Soup for the Soul. The writer and director of Sharing Aloha and Meet the Mormons, he graduated from Brigham Young University with a bachelor’s degree in Theatre and began his career at the Walt Disney Company. More recently, Blair worked with BYUtv to create the series Real Families, Real Answers, and was a co-director of Granite Flats.

Links

Get movie tickets and details at sharingalohathemovie.com
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

The film Sharing Aloha, directed by Blair Treu, highlights the inspiring stories of students at the Polynesian Cultural Center and their transformative experiences. Blair shares how he became involved with the project, and discusses the unique challenges of capturing the students’ stories, emphasizing their resilience and strong family ties. The film aims to showcase the students’ journeys, illustrating how the PCC provides them with opportunities for education and personal growth.

Throughout the conversation, Blair reflects on leadership principles learned from working with the students and the PCC staff. He highlights the importance of appreciation and compassion in leadership, drawing parallels to church leadership.

00:01:52 – Introducing Sharing Aloha
Introduction to the film “Sharing Aloha” and its connection to the Polynesian Cultural Center.

00:03:44 – The Genesis of Sharing Aloha
Blair Treu discusses how the project came to be and the inspiration behind it.

00:04:55 – The Abundance of Stories
The challenge of selecting which stories to tell from the many available.

00:06:47 – Blair Treu’s Background
Blair shares his experience and previous projects in film and media.

00:08:44 – The Polynesian Cultural Center
Discussion about the PCC and its significance in the film.

00:10:43 – Focus on Student Stories
The decision to center the film on the students’ experiences rather than the PCC’s history.

00:12:14 – Insights on the YSA Demographic
What Blair learned about the Young Single Adult demographic through the film.

00:13:37 – Cultural Connections
The importance of family and community in Polynesian culture.

00:16:42 – The Film’s Format
Comparison of “Sharing Aloha” to “Meet the Mormons” in terms of storytelling.

00:18:18 – Funding and Support
Details on how the film was funded and its relationship with the PCC.

00:20:38 – Addressing Criticism
Discussion on the misconceptions and criticisms surrounding the PCC.

00:22:39 – The Value of Work
The benefits students receive from working at the PCC compared to other jobs.

00:24:36 – Leadership in Performance
Insights into how the PCC manages its performances and trains students.

00:30:14 – Leadership Lessons from Film Production
Blair shares leadership principles learned from directing the film.

00:35:16 – The Importance of Appreciation
The significance of recognizing and valuing team members in leadership.

00:38:53 – Final Thoughts on the Film
Encouragement to support the film and its impact on the PCC.

00:40:41 – Personal Growth Through the Project
How working on “Sharing Aloha” has strengthened Blair’s faith and understanding of community.

The Delegating Bishop

Sat, 16 Aug 2025 07:27:19 +0000

This episode features a portion of a live stream discussion that took place in Zion Lab, where we explored the dynamics of delegation within bishoprics and youth leadership. Zion Lab is a welcoming space to discuss what you’re learning in your calling, share best practices and helpful resources, connect with others, and strengthen your ministry. Everyone is invited. Whether you’re new to your calling or have years of experience, your insights and questions are welcome.

Links

Read the transcript of this podcast

Highlights

A key theme of the conversation is the unspoken pressure that bishops feel as the figureheads of their wards. We address the anxiety that arises when programs falter or activities do not meet expectations, and how this can lead to a reluctance to delegate responsibilities. The discussion emphasizes the importance of setting clear expectations when extending callings, ensuring that leaders understand not just their tasks but also the vision behind their roles.

Listeners will hear insights from various participants who share their experiences and strategies for effective delegation. We also touch on the broader responsibilities of bishops beyond youth leadership, including the importance of collaboration with elders quorum and Relief Society presidents. The conversation reveals how effective delegation can alleviate the burden on bishops and enhance the overall functioning of the ward. We encourage bishops to give themselves grace, acknowledging that they cannot do everything and that the Lord will take care of His children.

00:02:18 – Delegation in Leadership
Exploration of the dynamics of delegation within bishoprics and youth leadership.

00:03:25 – Setting Expectations for Callings
The importance of clearly communicating expectations when extending callings to leaders.

00:04:46 – Meeting People Where They Are
The value of personal check-ins and understanding individual stories in leadership.

00:06:33 – Focusing on the Rising Generation
Discussion on the responsibilities of bishops towards the youth and the broader rising generation.

00:07:50 – Delegating to Elders Quorum and Relief Society
Insights on how to effectively delegate responsibilities to adult leaders in the ward.

00:09:59 – Prioritizing Youth Responsibilities
Bishops share their experiences and challenges in managing youth-related responsibilities.

00:10:30 – Understanding Repentance
Discussion on the bishop’s role in the repentance process and how it can be delegated.

00:12:39 – Positive Reinforcement in Leadership
The impact of recognizing and reinforcing good behaviors among leaders and members.

00:13:25 – Parental Involvement in Teaching
Conversations about the role of parents in teaching youth about important topics.

00:15:32 – Training Parents to Teach
Efforts to equip parents with the skills to teach their children effectively.

00:17:27 – Bishop’s Fireside Discussions
Plans for bishop’s firesides to address important topics with youth and parents.

00:19:57 – Youth Leading Discussions
Empowering youth to lead discussions on sensitive topics during meetings.

00:21:07 – Encouragement for Overwhelmed Bishops
Advice and encouragement for bishops feeling overwhelmed by their responsibilities.

00:27:03 – The Lord’s Church and Grace
Reminders that it is the Lord’s church and that grace is sufficient for all leaders.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Young Men Can Do Hard Things | A How I Lead Interview with Skylar Haws

Wed, 13 Aug 2025 07:38:20 +0000

Skylar Haws has dedicated over a decade to serving youth in various church callings, including Young Men’s President and Priest Quorum Advisor. He has also taught early morning seminary and worked as a youth Sunday School teacher. Skylar’s passion for youth leadership stems from his own experiences and a desire to help young men grow spiritually and personally. He resides in Saratoga Springs with his family, where he balances his church responsibilities with work and family life.

Links

Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Skylar emphasizes the importance of meeting young men where they are. He discusses the value of building relationships and creating meaningful experiences through high adventure activities. Skylar highlights the significance of pushing youth to embrace challenges while connecting their experiences back to Christ. He also addresses the dynamics of planning activities, engaging parents, and fostering a supportive environment for all young men, regardless of their individual circumstances.

04:00 – Skylar’s Background in Youth Leadership
05:00 – Advice for New Young Men’s Leaders
06:00 – Meeting Youth Where They Are
08:00 – The Power of Sacrifice in Youth Leadership
11:00 – Creating Spiritual Impact in High Adventure Activities
13:00 – Planning High Adventure Activities
18:00 – Engaging Boys in Planning and Preparation
22:00 – Handling Low Attendance at Activities
25:00 – The Importance of Relationships in Leadership
30:00 – Balancing Leadership with Family and Work
32:00 – Thematic and Dramatic Elements in Activities
35:00 – Service Opportunities and Miracles
40:00 – Managing Challenges During Activities

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Teacher Council Meetings, How Are We Doing?

Sat, 09 Aug 2025 07:35:08 +0000

Listen in to this livestream conversation from the Leading Saints Zion Lab, and help build a stronger Sunday School community! Zion Lab is a welcoming space to discuss what you’re learning in your calling, share best practices and helpful resources, and connect with other presidencies and strengthen your ministry. Everyone is invited. Whether you’re new to your calling or have years of experience, your insights and questions are welcome.

Links

Creating a Transformational Sunday School | An Interview with Dan Duckworth
Church News: “What to know about teacher council meetings for parents”
Teaching General Conference
Teaching Restored
Maxwell Institute Come Follow Me resources
Stimulating More Personal Revelation in Your Ward With the Gospel Library App | An Interview with Richard Bernard
The Covenant Path podcast
Involving Women in Sunday School Leadership | An Interview with Garret Shields & Monica Fell
Read the transcript of this podcast
Zion Lab Community

Highlights

This conversation comes from a recent Zion Lab community livestream focused on Sunday School presidencies. This informal gathering allowed participants to share their experiences, best practices, and challenges related to their callings. We discussed the purpose of Sunday School, the dynamics of teaching council meetings, and how to effectively engage parents and teachers in the learning process. We also explored the challenges of organizing teacher council meetings, with participants sharing their successes and struggles in getting attendance and fostering meaningful discussions.

Join the Leading Saints community at LeadingSaints.org/Zion for the full, unedited conversation and to continue engaging in these important discussions. We recognize that leadership in the Church can be isolating, but through collaboration and shared experiences, we can uplift and support one another in our callings. Join us as we explore these vital topics and work together to enhance our leadership skills and strengthen our communities.

00:04:46 – Joshua’s Experience as Bishop
Joshua discusses his experience as a bishop and his feelings of uncertainty in his Sunday School presidency role.

00:05:59 – Martha’s Transformation as a Teacher
Martha shares how a podcast influenced her approach as a Gospel Doctrine teacher.

00:06:40 – Chris’s Missionary Work and Goals
Chris talks about his work in the addiction recovery program and his vision for church-led meetings.

00:08:48 – Teacher Council Meetings Discussion
Participants discuss the effectiveness and challenges of teacher council meetings.

00:10:51 – DJ’s Insights on Teacher Councils
DJ shares strategies for making teacher council meetings more effective and engaging.

00:12:56 – Brent’s Perspective on Sunday School
Brent discusses the importance of Sunday School and the challenges of engagement.

00:16:21 – Jeff’s Experience with Parent Councils
Jeff shares his experience with parent councils and the feedback received from their first meeting.

00:19:25 – Matt’s Thoughts on Transitioning Teaching
Matt discusses the challenges of transitioning from traditional teaching methods to more interactive approaches.

00:23:16 – Brent’s Approach to Teaching Nuggets
Brent emphasizes the importance of providing memorable takeaways for students to discuss at home.

00:26:20 – DJ’s Success with Parent Councils
DJ shares insights on the success of parent councils in fostering open discussions among parents.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Making Seminary Not Boring | A How I Lead Interview with Allison Schreiber

Wed, 06 Aug 2025 07:00:57 +0000

Allison Schreiber is entering her seventh year as an early morning seminary teacher in New Braunfels, Texas—an experience she describes as one of the most joyful and spiritually-rich callings of her life. Fluent in German and Russian, Allison served in the Russia Moscow Mission before earning a bachelor of Fine Arts in Interior Design from Brigham Young University, along with certification in International Color Consulting. Her dedication to sacred spaces led her to intern with the Temple Construction department, contributing to the designing of temples in Houston, Boston, and Nauvoo.

A born leader and meticulous planner, Allison has worn many hats across decades of youth and community service, serving extensively in the Young Women organization. She’s chaired committees, organized record-breaking Boy Scouts of America district events, and served on BSA Woodbadge staff for three consecutive years after completing the prestigious leadership training herself. Whether designing a youth conference or directing a camporee, Allison brings creativity, discipline, and a touch of grace to every detail.

In her seminary classroom, Allison blends her vast experience with a personal mission: to make early morning Seminary not just bearable but transformational. Through intentional leadership moments and peer-supported learning, she cultivates a classroom culture where students feel empowered to plan, lead, and strengthen one another in faith.

Links

Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Allison shares effective teaching strategies and principles that can enhance youth engagement in a seminary setting. She shares proven methods to encourage participation and create a lively learning environment. The conversation highlights the importance of making gospel connections and how thoughtful planning can help youth see the relevance of gospel teachings in their everyday lives.

Allison shares her approach to teaching, emphasizing the need to mix up learning methods to keep students engaged. She discusses the use of games, interactive activities, and creative resources, such as movie clips, to make lessons more relatable and exciting. She also touches on the significance of recognizing each student’s voice and ensuring that everyone feels valued and included in the class.

Allison introduces the “EDGE” method—Explain, Demonstrate, Guide, and Enable—as a framework for teaching leadership skills to youth. She explains how this method empowers students to take charge of their learning and prepares them for future leadership roles. Allison shares practical examples of how she sets her students up for success, including organizing activities that foster teamwork and collaboration. She emphasizes the importance of loving and supporting youth, encouraging leaders to create an environment where students feel safe and motivated to participate.

03:15 – Allison’s Background and Experience
04:29 – Seminary Class Structure and Student Engagement
05:20 – Testing Different Teaching Methods
06:45 – Balancing Fun and Gospel Learning
07:06 – Creating Meaningful Connections in Lessons
08:15 – Using Treats and Activities Purposefully
09:27 – Engaging All Students in Class
11:03 – Recognizing Individual Contributions
12:16 – Encouraging Participation from Reluctant Students
13:28 – Preparing for Youth Events like Trek
14:50 – Coordinating with Stake Leaders
16:05 – Advice for Future Leaders
18:12 – Making Gospel Connections in Daily Life
19:14 – Youth Epiphanies and Insights
20:21 – Mixing Up Learning Approaches
22:19 – Using Creative Resources for Lessons
25:07 – Incorporating Movie Clips for Engagement
26:43 – Setting Youth Up for Success
27:23 – Leadership Skills Development
29:29 – Model Ward Council Activity
31:40 – Final Thoughts on Youth Leadership
32:09 – The Importance of Love in Leadership

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Part 2: 6 Types of People in Your Ward | An Interview with Jeff Strong

Sat, 02 Aug 2025 07:00:24 +0000

This is a follow-up conversation. Listen to the first episode here.

Jeff Strong worked nearly 30 years in the consumer products industry as a senior executive at Procter & Gamble and global president and chief customer officer at Johnson & Johnson. He then taught in the Marriott School of Business at Brigham Young University and worked as an advisor to the Church before serving as a mission leader in the Arkansas Bentonville Mission. Jeff has since spent several years doing research on why people are leaving the Church. While not a professional researcher, his career involved a large amount of research and the research he shares in this podcast was done with the help of some of the top Latter-day Saint researchers in the world. Today, Jeff lives in Midway, Utah, and stays busy with a little lavender farm, some business consulting, and enjoying family.

Links

Slides: Tension From Our Differences
When Clapping Happens at Church | A How I Lead Interview with Devin Pope
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Jeff Strong dives deeper into the complexities of faith and community. He explores the idea that while many church leaders may come from a similar mindset, the diversity of perspectives within the congregation is essential for a healthy community.

Jeff shares insights from a comprehensive study on disaffiliation and church experiences, highlighting the strengths and weaknesses of the church culture. He notes that while many members appreciate the community, service, and spiritual growth offered by the church, there are significant concerns about judgment, conformity, and exclusivity that can alienate individuals with differing beliefs or backgrounds.

Jeff and Kurt talk about the tension caused by differences, and Jeff illustrates how the natural human response to perceived threats often leads to conformity and exclusion. He discusses the importance of yielding to the Holy Spirit to navigate these tensions, rather than allowing fear to dictate responses.

A key part of the episode is the introduction of a segmentation model that categorizes Latter-day Saints into six belief mindsets: Seekers, Cultivators, Protectors, Avoiders, Connectors, and Explorers. Each segment is defined by its unique values and priorities, with Protectors making up a significant portion of church leadership. Jeff and Kurt discuss the implications of this model, emphasizing that a church comprised solely of one segment would lack the richness and diversity necessary for a thriving community.

Understanding these different mindsets can help church leaders foster a more inclusive environment that accommodates a broader range of beliefs and experiences. Jeff encourages listeners to embrace the complexities of faith and community, recognizing that the presence of tension can lead to growth and deeper understanding.

00:02:00 – Discussion on disaffiliation from the church
00:02:00 – Tension caused by differences
00:09:00 – Story of the kingfisher and magpies
00:12:00 – Strengths of church culture
00:14:00 – Weaknesses of church culture
00:21:00 – The concept of the “natural man”
00:26:00 – The role of a leader in navigating tension
00:30:00 – Introduction of six mindsets or “segments”
00:36:00 – The “Seekers” segment
00:37:00 – The “Cultivators” segment
00:38:00 – The “Protectors” segment
00:39:00 – The “Avoiders” segment
00:40:00 – The “Connectors” segment
00:42:00 – The “Explorers” segment
00:44:00 – The value of different segments
00:46:00 – Disconnect in leadership
00:48:00 – Historical context of leadership
00:52:00 – Blending leadership styles
01:04:00 – Jesus and Joseph Smith as examples of different mindsets
01:13:00 – Discussion of the Body of Christ from 1 Corinthians 12
01:23:00 – Story of a 100-year-old runner
01:33:00 – Concluding thoughts on a thriving church

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

The Bishopric & the Youth | A How I Lead Interview with James Fletcher

Thu, 31 Jul 2025 01:13:06 +0000

James Fletcher is the founder and chief investment officer of Ethos Investment Management, and has been investing professionally in emerging markets for 20 years. He is also the founder of the global non-profit Young Investors Society, which provides lessons to teens on investing and financial literacy in over 3,000 high schools and 80 countries around the world. James has a bachelor’s degree in Finance from Brigham Young University and also teaches as a BYU adjunct professor in Finance. He has lived in a variety of places, from Boston to Brazil and Los Angeles to Hong Kong, and currently lives in Springville, Utah, with his wife and five children, where he serves as a bishop in the Hobble Creek Springville Utah Stake.

Links

Young Investors Society: YIS.org
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

James Fletcher shares his insights and experiences as a bishop and youth leader. He shares his approach to engaging with youth, highlighting the advice he received to focus on them while allowing other leaders to manage adult responsibilities. He discusses his passion for working with young people, which has been shaped by his background in youth mentorship and his founding of the Young Investor Society, an organization that teaches financial literacy and investment principles to high school students.

James emphasizes the importance of setting high expectations for youth while providing the necessary support and mentorship. He also discusses the significance of creating engaging and interactive experiences for youth, rather than simply delivering lessons. He shares how challenging youth with high expectations can lead to remarkable growth and engagement, citing examples from both his church leadership and his work with the Young Investor Society.

00:04:04 – First Impressions of Being a Bishop
James shares his experiences and feelings during the first months of his calling as bishop.

00:05:16 – Unique Ward Dynamics
Discussion about the unique characteristics of James’s ward in Springville, Utah, including its diverse community.

00:06:57 – Approach to Engaging Youth
James explains his focus on youth and how he prioritizes their needs in his leadership role.

00:07:54 – Background in Youth Engagement
James discusses his history of working with youth and the founding of the Young Investor Society.

00:09:37 – Weekly Engagement with Youth
Insights into James’s weekly activities and how he applies principles of mentorship and engagement with youth.

00:11:06 – Measuring Success as a Bishop
James shares advice on how to judge success in his role, emphasizing spiritual guidance.

00:12:00 – Personal Story of Mentorship
James recounts a meaningful experience with a young man named Zach and the impact of mentorship.

00:14:23 – Principles for Working with Youth
James discusses key principles for engaging and inspiring youth, including setting high expectations.

00:18:47 – Interactive Learning Experiences
The importance of interactive and challenging experiences for youth to keep them engaged.

00:21:10 – High Expectations and Support
James elaborates on the balance of high expectations and providing support to youth.

00:23:01 – Recognizing and Nurturing Gifts
The significance of helping youth recognize their gifts and potential.

00:30:54 – Real Love and Genuine Support
James emphasizes the importance of showing genuine love and support to youth in leadership.

00:36:21 – Young Investor Society Overview
Information about the Young Investor Society and how it supports youth in financial literacy.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

The Science of Scaling Your Ward | An Interview with Benjamin Hardy

Sun, 27 Jul 2025 21:03:19 +0000

Dr. Benjamin Hardy is an organizational psychologist, author, and speaker known for his work on the psychology of exponential growth and transformation. He has mastered a highly unique form of strategic psychology and is known for his ability to rapidly scale companies to seemingly impossible levels. The author of several books and cofounder of his rigorous scaling company, Scaling.com, Benjamin helps companies scale 10x or more within three years. His innovative psychological and strategic frameworks are unlike anything else in business right now and are seeking to disrupt both the fields of psychology and business. Benjamin and his wife Lauren have seven children and live in Orlando.

Links

The Science of Scaling: Grow Your Business Bigger and Faster Than You Think Possible
Scaling.com/Audiobook
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Benjamin introduces the idea that setting ambitious goals can lead to more effective pathways for growth. He explains that when organizations aim for significantly higher targets—such as a tenfold increase in growth—they are compelled to streamline their efforts and eliminate unnecessary complexities. This principle is particularly relevant for church leaders who may feel constrained by traditional metrics of success.

Benjamin emphasizes the importance of aligning daily actions with a higher purpose. He discusses the concept of “raising the floor,” which refers to the necessity of letting go of lower standards and practices that no longer serve the organization’s goals. By doing so, leaders can create a more focused and effective environment for achieving their objectives.

The conversation also delves into the psychological aspects of goal-setting, highlighting how the future should shape present actions rather than being dictated by past performance. He shares a compelling story about an audacious missionary baptism goal and how adjusting adjusting and filtering ultimately achieved the goal—illustrating the power of high aspirations and the need for leaders to be willing to say no to less-impactful activities.

Benjamin explores the challenges church leaders face in maintaining focus amidst competing priorities and discusses the tendency to add more initiatives rather than simplifying and prioritizing efforts. He encourages leaders to define clear, measurable goals that can guide their actions and decision-making processes, along with a call to embrace ambitious goals. By focusing on fewer, higher goals and raising their standards, leaders can unlock the potential within their wards and organizations, ultimately leading to greater success in their missions.

00:04:00 – Applying Scaling Principles to the Church

00:05:20 – The Goal Shapes the Path and System

00:05:50 – The Power of 10x Goals and Short Timelines

00:08:40 – Missionary Work as an Example of Scaling

00:10:50 – The Past and Future as Lenses for the Present

00:14:10 – Operating From the Goal, Not Toward It

00:14:40 – Raising the Floor and Saying No

00:15:30 – Blake’s Missionary Experience and Filtering

00:19:40 – Overcoming the Influence of the Past in Organizations

00:21:50 – Simplicity vs. Complexity

00:23:10 – The Challenge of Too Many Goals in Church Councils

00:24:50 – Focusing on Key Priorities in Leadership

00:28:00 – Defining and Owning Roles in Church Leadership

00:28:50 – Understanding and Raising the Floor

00:31:30 – The Floor as a Standard of Accountability

00:33:30 – Avoiding Guilt from Too Many To-Dos

00:36:10 – Setting Clear, Numeric Goals

00:40:20 – The Future Shapes the Present

00:42:50 – Repentance and Reorienting Towards the Future

00:44:50 – Distancing from Past Self and Growth Mindset

00:48:50 – Measuring Impact and Qualitative vs. Quantitative Goals

00:53:00 – Accountability in Systems and Leadership

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

I Love My Ward! | An Interview with Clint Pulver

Thu, 24 Jul 2025 01:08:06 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally aired in March 2021.

Clint Pulver is an Emmy Award-winning, motivational keynote speaker, author, musician, and workforce expert. The president and founder of The Center for Employee Retention, Clint has transformed how corporations create lasting loyalty through his work and research as “The Undercover Millennial”. His book I Love It Here shares how extraordinary leaders create companies their people never want to leave, and in this interview he helps translate some of that wisdom into local leadership in the Church. Clint is currently serving as a bishop.

Links

I Love It Here: How Great Leaders Create Organizations Their People Never Want to Leave
clintpulver.com
Instagram @clintpulver
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

4:40 Writing a book with lots of research was a difficult project
7:35 Culture changes in different wards come down to leadership
9:00 Engagement is low due to the pandemic but we can change some things even now
10:20 “Let me know when it gets to the part about me”: getting to the people in the gospel is what builds a stronger culture
13:25 Give them a reason to connect with you; make the little efforts to connect with people
15:30 “Who said the guy wanted a fish?” Ask people what they want; do more listening than talking
17:30 Traditional leadership vs. mentorship and personal connection
19:30 Four types of leaders

The leader who is removed
The buddy
The controller
The mentor

24:15 Do you have the right people in the right places?

27:25 When inviting someone to a calling, make an invitation, talk about the expectations, and look for some buy-in

31:10 Status interviews and the power of meeting regularly

Not a performance review
Three questions:
1. What can we do to keep you more engaged?
2. What’s getting in the way of your success?
3. What can I do to help you get there?
35:15 Start with a check-in and vocal praise
37:00 Repeat back so they know they were heard and understood
Follow up on what you said you would do
Create a growth development plan with them
Invoke the help of other people and make it simpler for you

40:00 Core values and a vision: keep it simple and memorable
42:30 Reflective questions

Be open to feedback
The to-don’t list

47:35 Story of the business leader who was open and vulnerable, leading to a sense of ownership for her employees
51:00 Look for inspiration through association and connection with other people
53:00 What do you offer that Google can’t?
54:20 “I love who I am when I’m here”

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Bad Eternal Marriage Advice | An Interview with Monica Tanner

Sun, 20 Jul 2025 17:07:37 +0000

Monica Tanner is an RLT-trained relationship coach and host of the “Secrets of Happily Ever After” podcast. She transforms marriages with simple communication, connection, conflict resolution, and commitment strategies. Her mission is to lower the divorce rate and improve marital satisfaction. Through her podcast, social media community, couple’s coaching practice, and new book—Bad Marriage Advice, Monica has helped thousands of couples ditch resentment and roommate syndrome and get back to living their happily-ever-after love story. In the Church, Monica serves in the Young Women program with two of her daughters.

Links

MonicaTanner.com
Bad Marriage Advice: Debunking Myths That Will Make You Miserable and What To Do Instead
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Monica shares insights on the importance of communication in marriage, noting that many couples express a need for help in this area. They discuss the dynamics of relationships, emphasizing that both partners must actively engage in the marriage to foster a healthy connection. The episode also touches on the stigma surrounding seeking help for marital issues within the Latter-day Saint community, where some may feel that divorce is not an option, leading to feelings of entrapment.

Monica explores common misconceptions about marriage, such as the idea that “happy couples never fight.” They argue that conflict is a natural part of any relationship and that learning to navigate disagreements is crucial for growth. The discussion also addresses the problematic advice of “never go to bed angry,” suggesting that sometimes it is healthier to take a break and revisit issues with a fresh perspective.

Throughout the episode, the importance of choice in marriage is emphasized. Monica encourages couples to view their relationship as a partnership where both individuals actively choose to be together, rather than feeling obligated due to covenants or societal expectations. They advocate for open communication and the necessity of seeking help when needed, highlighting that doing so is a sign of strength and commitment.

00:03:19 – Common Marriage Struggles
Monica discusses the prevalent issues couples face, particularly around communication and faith transitions.

00:04:54 – The Empty Nest Phenomenon
Exploration of the challenges couples face when their children leave home, leading to potential relationship reevaluation.

00:06:27 – Advice for Struggling Couples
Monica offers guidance for couples who feel tension in their marriage but may not have the resources for therapy.

00:08:34 – Unique Aspects of Latter-day Saint Marriages
Discussion on the stigma around seeking help for marriage issues within the Latter-day Saint culture.

00:10:55 – The Concept of Choice in Marriage
Exploration of how the perception of being “locked in” to a marriage can affect relationship dynamics.

00:12:22 – Agency and Choice in Relationships
Monica emphasizes the importance of making daily choices in marriage and the role of agency in relationships.

00:14:27 – The Importance of Communication
Discussion on the necessity of open communication in marriage and the dangers of complacency.

00:16:12 – Navigating Divorce Conversations
Insights on how church leaders can approach discussions about divorce and the importance of not feeling trapped.

00:18:10 – Infidelity and Marriage Recovery
Monica shares perspectives on how infidelity can sometimes lead to positive changes in a marriage.

00:20:22 – The Role of Church Leaders
Advice for church leaders on how to support couples in distress without overstepping their boundaries.

00:22:25 – Community Support in Marriage
The importance of community support and sharing experiences to help couples feel less isolated.

00:24:35 – The Reality of Marriage Dynamics
Discussion on the complexities of marriage and the need for both partners to actively engage in the relationship.

00:26:16 – The Atonement and Marriage
Exploration of how the doctrine of the Atonement relates to marriage and the possibility of finding happiness after divorce.

00:28:10 – The Importance of Seeking Help
Monica emphasizes that seeking help for marriage issues is a sign of strength and commitment.

00:30:19 – Debunking the Myth of Fighting
Discussion on the misconception that happy couples never fight and the importance of healthy conflict.

00:33:02 – Relationship Math in Marriage
Monica introduces the concept of “relationship math” and the importance of both partners showing up fully in a relationship.

00:35:02 – The Myth of Never Going to Bed Angry
Critique of the advice to never go to bed angry, emphasizing the need for rest and perspective in resolving conflicts.

00:39:18 – Contracting for Better Communication
Monica discusses the importance of contracting in communication to ensure both partners are ready to engage in discussions.

00:41:11 – Final Thoughts on Marriage Advice
Reflection on the need to reevaluate traditional marriage advice in light of modern understanding and individual experiences.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

How I Lead as a Coach and a Catholic | An Interview with Frank Layden

Thu, 17 Jul 2025 20:00:53 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in September 2019.

Frank Layden was a beloved basketball coach and executive best known for his time with the Utah Jazz. While he achieved tremendous professional success—earning NBA Coach of the Year, Executive of the Year, and the J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award all in 1984—it was his warmth, humor, and larger-than-life personality that truly defined him. Known for his self-deprecating wit and quick one-liners, Layden brought levity to the game and was deeply respected by players, colleagues, and fans alike.

Beyond basketball, Layden was cherished for his kindness, community involvement, and ability to connect with people on a personal level. He had a gift for making others feel valued, often using laughter to lift those around him. Even in retirement, he remained a vibrant part of the Salt Lake City community. Frank Layden passed away on July 9, 2025, at the age of 93, leaving behind a legacy of leadership and compassion.

Links

Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Early Experiences & Utah Transition
00:03:34 Involvement with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; reflections on what President Thomas S. Monson said about him
00:05:24 How he ended up in Utah with the Jazz
00:09:03 First knowledge of and interactions with members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
00:10:15 Approach to sports and Utah’s culture: “What can we do to help here?” Focused on building relationships over highlighting differences.

Personal and Professional Philosophy
00:12:44 How he became a coach
– Belief that his family was meant to be in Utah
– Building the Jazz from a losing team into a contender
– Perspective on success: You won’t always succeed, and shouldn’t measure success by money. Prioritize doing what you love and service.
00:17:48 The Jazz’s efforts to help players and their families grow off the court:
– Wives club activities: fashion shows, making Christmas trees, supporting education
– Interfaith chapel service with Rev. France Davis and Pastor Jerry Lewis
– Bonuses for players who finished college degrees

Leadership & Team Management
00:20:10 When players feel coaches support them, they give their all.
00:22:37 Emphasis on making each player feel loved; daily question: “What can I do for you today?”
00:24:58 The importance of small things: punctuality, readiness, balancing authority and discipline
00:28:20 Players must believe in you, and you must believe in yourself.
– Understanding who needs motivation vs. encouragement
00:32:47 Establishing leadership: the team must know who leads
– “Winning is not a sometimes thing; it starts the first day of practice.”

Relationship-Building & Daily Culture
00:39:42 Building one-on-one connections with players
– Creating comfort for players to approach leadership
– Listening to them (examples include book club and shared reading)
– Encouraging professional appearance
– Mutual respect and adult treatment fosters loyalty
00:42:50 Players can sense if you enjoy your job.

Reflection on Faith & Community
00:48:22 How being part of Utah’s religious community enhanced his experience as a Catholic

00:53:04 Takeaways and Leadership Principles

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Zion Today, Not Someday | An Interview with Dan Duckworth

Tue, 15 Jul 2025 06:10:32 +0000

Dan Duckworth speaks, teaches, and writes on leadership, power, and systemic change. His forthcoming book, The Leader in Chains (spring 2026), challenges conventional ideas and calls for a radical rethinking of leadership—and how it is developed. You can read his Zion Leadership essays at danduckworth.substack.com or connect with him on LinkedIn.

Links

LeadingSaints.org/Zion
DanDuckworth.Substack.com
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

In this episode, Dan Duckworth engages in a thought-provoking discussion about the concept of Zion and its implications for leadership within the context of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He begins by addressing the common resistance to transformational leadership in church settings, noting that many members feel uncomfortable with the idea of change-making. Dan emphasizes that the principles of leadership are deeply rooted in scripture, particularly in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

He articulates the need for a “faithful vocabulary of leadership” that resonates with church members, moving away from secular leadership jargon that may not align with their beliefs. Dan challenges the traditional view of hierarchy in church leadership, asserting that God’s ways are different from man’s ways. He references the Doctrine and Covenants, specifically highlighting that in Zion, there shall be no king or ruler, suggesting that true leadership should not be about hierarchy but about unity and collaboration.

Dan elaborates on the idea that Zion is not merely a future state but a present social condition characterized by a people who are of one heart and one mind. He encourages listeners to reflect on their own communities—families, wards, and councils—asking whether they operate under a hierarchical structure or if they embody the principles of Zion. He argues that the work of building Zion requires breaking free from systemic forces that constrain behavior and perpetuate the status quo.

Dan also explains that leadership involves creating space for individuals to use their gifts and talents, rather than adhering strictly to established hierarchies. He emphasizes that leaders should discern the needs of their communities and empower others to step into leadership roles, regardless of formal titles or positions.

Dan shares a scriptural example from the Old Testament, recounting how Moses responded to the concerns of Joshua regarding unauthorized prophecy. Moses expresses a desire for all people to be prophets, highlighting the importance of recognizing and nurturing the gifts within the community. He contrasts this with the story of Aaron and Miriam, who are chastised for their desire to lead without the proper authority, illustrating the balance between recognizing divine gifts and maintaining order.

Dan underscores the significance of understanding the difference between appointed leaders and true leaders. He notes that a bishop, while holding an ecclesiastical role, may not necessarily be a leader in the transformative sense. Instead, he should act as a facilitator, allowing the gifts of others to flourish and ensuring that the community operates in alignment with God’s mercies.

Dan concludes by addressing the challenges faced by those who feel called to lead in a Zion-like manner, particularly in the face of institutional resistance. He encourages listeners to be mindful of the timing and approach when implementing change, suggesting that leaders should work quietly and effectively to build Zion without drawing unnecessary attention or backlash from the established hierarchy. He emphasizes the importance of direct communication with the Lord to ensure that one’s actions align with divine guidance, ultimately reinforcing the idea that building Zion is a collective effort that requires courage, discernment, and a willingness to embrace the messiness of community life.

00:05:08 – The Nature of Hierarchy in the Church
00:09:22 – Zion as a Present Goal vs. a Future Event
00:12:08 – Leadership in Zion
00:17:18 – The Role of Gifts and Discerning Leadership
00:23:25 – Distinction Between Ruler and Leader
00:28:13 – Ecclesiastical Work vs. Zion Building
00:29:54 – Anointed vs. Appointed Leaders
00:45:02 – Navigating Resistance and Subversive Building

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

How I Lead as Stake Primary President in Indiana | An Interview with Angela Sturgeon

Thu, 10 Jul 2025 04:28:29 +0000

Angela Sturgeon has served in a variety of callings, including Sunday School teacher, Young Women first counselor, Relief Society counselor and secretary, Relief Society president, Primary Activity Days leader, and in Scouts. She most recently served as the stake Primary secretary and now as stake Primary president.

Angela earned an associate’s degree in History and Political Science from Orange Coast College and after many years of balancing work, family, and part-time study, will be graduating in a few weeks with a bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University-Idaho. She worked as a flight attendant before retiring in 2022 and has since pursued her passion for encouraging and mentoring others, becoming a published best-selling author of How to Be Resilient for Turbulent Times and a TEDx speaker of the same title. She speaks regularly on resilience, faith, and purpose—inspiring audiences to rise with strength in the face of adversity.

Links

How to Be Resilient for Turbulent Times: 7 Guiding Resiliency Principles
How to be resilient for turbulent times | Angela Sturgeon | TEDxUSFSM
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Angela shares her unique experiences and insights gained from her leadership role in a diverse and spread-out stake. She candidly discusses her initial challenges stepping into the role of stake Primary president without prior experience in a ward Primary presidency. Angela emphasizes the importance of building relationships and understanding the unique needs of each ward and branch within her stake. She shares key principles that guide her leadership approach:

Embracing Flexibility and Personal Growth: Angela speaks about the necessity of being adaptable in leadership, especially when faced with diverse needs across different wards. She emphasizes the importance of relying on Heavenly Father and being open to the Spirit to guide her decisions.
Fostering Spiritual Resilience: Drawing from her own life experiences, Angela discusses how spiritual resilience is crucial for both leaders and members. She shares personal stories of overcoming challenges and how this resilience can inspire others to keep moving forward in their faith.
Cultivating a Culture of Love and Growth: Angela stresses the importance of creating an environment where individuals feel loved and supported. She describes how building relationships with other leaders and members fosters a sense of community and encourages open dialogue about struggles and successes.

00:03:40 – Angela’s Background and Move to Indiana
00:04:51 – Transition to Stake Primary President
00:05:49 – Initial Orientation in Leadership
00:07:10 – Navigating Leadership as a Convert
00:08:57 – Visiting Wards and Branches
00:09:48 – Scheduling Visits
00:10:45 – Personal Experiences and Challenges
00:12:23 – Building Relationships in Leadership
00:16:22 – Embracing Flexibility and Personal Growth
00:19:26 – Fostering Spiritual Resilience
00:25:54 – Cultivating a Culture of Love and Growth
00:30:47 – Windshield Time and Connection
00:32:27 – Unique Activities in the Stake
00:34:00 – Navigating Stake and Ward Dynamics
00:35:33 – Final Thoughts on Leadership and Love

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Part 2: The Unwritten Order of Things—A Reading

Sat, 28 Jun 2025 07:05:01 +0000

Kurt Francom reads this Brigham Young University devotional given by Elder Boyd K. Packer in 1996.

Listen to the podcast episode about this devotional and its influence on leadership culture in the Church.

Links

Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

00:02:00 – The Importance of Teaching Basics
00:03:30 – The Foundation of Knowledge and Testimony
00:05:00 – Understanding the Unwritten Order of Things
00:06:30 – The Role of the Presiding Officer in Meetings
00:08:00 – Accepting Calls and Releases in the Church
00:09:30 – Learning from Experienced Leaders
00:11:00 – Seeking Counsel and Blessings
00:12:30 – The Vertical Nature of Revelation
00:14:00 – The Importance of Being a Good Follower
00:15:30 – Proper Order in Callings and Assignments
00:17:00 – Maintaining Dignity in Meetings
00:18:30 – The Role of the Bishop in Meetings
00:20:00 – Learning Through Observation and Experience
00:21:30 – The Power of the Ordinary Saints

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Part 1: The Unwritten Order of Things—A Review

Sat, 28 Jun 2025 07:00:21 +0000

Kurt Francom, Executive Director of Leading Saints, shares his thoughts on the unwritten order of things—a term popularized by Elder Boyd K. Packer in a BYU devotional in October 1996. This phrase has influenced leadership culture in the Church, often being used as a trump card to justify certain practices or norms that are not explicitly documented in church handbooks.

Listen to a reading of the original devotional.

Links

Is Aspiring Wrong?
Church Doctrine, Policy, & Leadership | An Interview with Anthony Sweat
Y Religion: Defining Church Doctrine, with Michael Goodman
The Role of Doubt and Faith | An Interview With Prof. Michael Goodman
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Kurt explores the context of Elder Packer’s talk, highlighting the challenges of leadership in the 1990s when handbooks were not publicly accessible. He emphasizes the importance of understanding the principles behind leadership practices rather than blindly adhering to unwritten rules that may not serve the best interests of the community.

He outlines the ten unwritten orders of things mentioned by Elder Packer, assessing whether each principle is supported by the church handbook. While some of these principles align with current guidelines, others are not formally recognized, raising questions about their validity and application in modern leadership.

Kurt encourages listeners to consider the implications of using the unwritten order of things as a means of manipulation or control, and advocates for a more open dialogue about leadership best practices, urging leaders to communicate their expectations clearly rather than relying on vague traditions. He invites listeners to engage in this conversation, share their experiences, and contribute to a culture of effective leadership where the church can more-effectively draw people to Christ.

00:02:47 – Context of Elder Packer’s Talk
00:04:11 – The Unwritten Order of Things Explained
00:05:24 – Weaponization of the Unwritten Order
00:06:05 – Importance of Context in Leadership
00:07:51 – Changes in Handbook Accessibility
00:09:05 – Elder Packer’s Teaching Style
00:10:08 – Challenges in Communicating Leadership Guidelines
00:11:22 – The Role of General Authorities in Leadership
00:12:03 – Misinterpretation of the Unwritten Order
00:13:40 – Elder Packer’s Ten Unwritten Orders
00:14:01 – Analysis of Each Unwritten Order
00:19:05 – The Role of Personal Counsel in Leadership
00:20:30 – Observing Church Customs and Traditions
00:21:23 – Setting a Tone of Dignity in Meetings
00:22:06 – The Balance of Leadership and Followership
00:23:20 – Binding Nature of the Unwritten Order
00:24:03 – Current Unwritten Orders in Leadership
00:25:07 – The Tyranny of General Authority
00:26:20 – The Importance of Local Leadership Autonomy
00:27:34 – Principles vs. Prescriptions in Leadership
00:29:41 – Establishing Best Practices in Leadership
00:30:57 – Conclusion: Moving Beyond the Unwritten Order

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The Doctrine Related to Being Single or Married | An Interview with Michael Goodman

Wed, 25 Jun 2025 07:08:50 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in September 2021.

Michael A. Goodman has worked for the Church Educational System since 1989 and was the manager of CES College Curriculum before joining the Brigham Young University Church History and Doctrine department in 2007. He is a professor of Religious Education and serves as the RSC’s Associate Publications Director and the Editor of the Religious Educator journal. Michael holds a bachelor’s degree in Journalism with Public Relations, a master’s degree in Information Technology, and a PhD in Marriage, Family, and Human Development. He is a co-investigator on the Family Foundations of Youth Development longitudinal research project, focused on adolescent and family faith development and mental health outcomes with a special emphasis on suicidality. Michael is married to Tiina Anita Goodman.

Links

Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

1:55 BYU Eternal Families course chair and online curriculum author

4:10 How does BYU teach the doctrine of Eternal Families?

Courses based on doctrine with some social science mixed in
Eternal principles and daily principles taught (money, sexuality etc)

5:50 We don’t have to convince BYU students that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints values families, but they don’t often know why.

8:30 D&C 131 and 132: The Degrees of Glory and importance of eternal families

10:40 The Family: A Proclamation to the World. Quotes document.

11:40 President Oaks Quote: “Our theology begins with Heavenly Parents. Our greatest aspiration is to be like them.” “The purpose of mortal like and the mission of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is to prepare the sons and daughters of God for their eternal destiny- to become like our Heavenly Parents.”

13:35 Divine Identity and Divine Destiny… as children of God

15:45 Mother in Heaven: foundational doctrine

16:35 When speaking to single adults after the foundation has been laid, what do you say next? …Well someday?!? NO! Acknowledge their pain and the issues they face.

17:45 Neil L. Anderson quote: “We will continue to teach the Lord’s pattern for families, but now with millions of members and the diversity among those in the church we need to be more thoughtful and sensitive. Our church culture and vernacular are sometimes quite unique. The Primary children are not going to stop singing ‘Families can be Together Forever’ but when they sing ‘I’m so happy when Daddy comes home’ or ‘With father and mother leading the way…’, not all children will be singing about their family.”

20:50 What do we need to know now, to feel joy now? Four overarching principles:

No one denied any promised blessing because of something outside of their control
YOU are included in the plan of salvation, and because of that inclusion there is hope.
Heavenly Father will not abrogate agency.
God loves us with a perfect love and will do anything in his power to exalt us.
Through the grace of Christ, Heavenly Father can provide solutions to those things outside our control (24:51)

26:04 Quote President Kimball: “We promise you that in as far as eternity is concerned, NO soul will be deprived of rich and high and eternal blessings for anything which they could not help. That the Lord never fails in his promises. Every righteous person will eventually receive ALL to which they are entitled and have not forfeited through any fault of their own.”

28:15 Stay covenant-connected.

28:30 Quote President Nelson: Through no failing of their own “they” deal with the trails of life alone. May we all be reminded that in the Lord’s own way and time no blessing will be withheld from his faithful saints. The Lords will judge and reward each individual according to their heartfelt desires as well as deeds.”

29:45 It’s ok if you aren’t the “ideal” family yet… Richard G. Scott quote and discussion

31:55 Live relationally now! Live familially.

33:10 None of us are broken, just in process.

33:55 Kurt- as a leader- “I won’t deny callings based on marital status”. Few callings have any sort of marital qualification.

36:25 Kurt- as a leader- encourage people to live relationally. ALL people need other people.

37:45 How do you find yourself? Lose yourself serving others. Story of girl who wouldn’t attend activities: Asked to find one person who looked as awkward as she felt and say hello…

41:45 Plural marriage and our doctrine:

Starts with Abraham and Moses
System instated when God sees fit (usually at the beginning of a dispensation)
Essay on Plural Marriage: ordinances may be preformed for the dead sealing one person to all the spouses they have had on Earth. “The precise nature of these relationships in the next life is NOT known. Many relationships will be sorted out in the life to come”.

42:50 Back to agency: You’ll never be stuck in a relationship you don’t want, plural or otherwise.

46:50 There has NEVER been a statement given churchwide that says you must practice plural marriage to qualify for exaltation.

48:00 Cancellation of sealings: It’s a triangle ordinance. Righteous desire and faithfulness bind the sealing. If they don’t exist neither does the sealing.

52:50 Four aspects of the sealing ordinance (1998 Ensign):

Individual covenants and blessings based on personal faithfulness
Join covenants: Blessings only given jointly to couples who are faithful jointly
Joining in celestial marriage: “Getting super-glued”
Blessing for children born in the covenant or sealed to parents: Blessing of the Abrahamic covenant
These help us through contingencies like death, divorce, etc.

55:46 President Oaks Quote: For all questions on the spirit world I suggest two answers. First, remember that God loves his children and will surely do what is best for each of us. Second, remember this familiar bible teaching which has been most helpful to me on a multitude of unanswered questions: “Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, lean not to thine own understanding and he shall direct thy paths.”

58:45 Story of President Eyring: When Pres Eyring lamented that he wasn’t sure people’s choices would allow families to be together forever the prophet responded with “ you are worrying about the WRONG PROBLEM”. Live worthy of the celestial kingdom and the family arrangements will be more wonderful than you can imagine.

1:00:15 What about the concept of servants in the celestial kingdom? Again revert to agency. We cannot be forced to live a life we do not choose.

Heavenly Father is not impatient. We are.

1:00:43 Hopelessness is Death: Until we have hope there is no progress to the “next step.”

1:04:45 No need to live “white knuckled” now. Learn to live relationally. If you are in a situation familially or relationally where you are unhappy, Satan will try to tell you you are broken. He will try to convince you you are “damaged goods”. Let the Lord show you how to get up and live.

1:06:35 If you are struggling… welcome to mortality

1:08:05 There ain’t no such thing as a perfect person except for Christ, and you can’t marry Him!

1:08:30 One last thought on The Proclamation: Don’t read it thinking of what you don’t have. Notice what you do have and can have. There is comfort there. It is full of beautiful truths.

1:11:15 Final encouragement: We have been asked to focus on love and law. Love those around you, love those you serve. But that can’t be all. Then lead them to Christ. The commandments are the way He leads us back home and are not a weapon.

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Part 1: The Data Behind Church Culture | An Interview with Jeff Strong

Sat, 21 Jun 2025 07:00:21 +0000

Links

Slides: Tension Between Tradition and Change
Listen to Part 2: 6 Types of People in Your Ward | An Interview with Jeff Strong
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

In this conversation, Jeff dives deep into the tension between church culture and personal beliefs, and how embracing it can lead to growth and understanding within our church community. He discusses the findings from a comprehensive survey that aimed to understand disaffiliation and the tensions members experience in their church lives.

A key takeaway is the importance of understanding what members love about the Church, revealing the core values that bind members together, despite the tensions they may feel. Jeff talks about the tensions present in church culture, emphasizing the dual facets of this conflict: the tension between tradition and change, and the tension arising from our differences. He explores how members often feel a significant conflict in their church experience, with many expressing discomfort with the culture. Jeff presents data indicating that nearly half of the respondents felt a significant conflict, and more than half did not feel a strong sense of belonging in their congregations. Throughout the conversation, he emphasizes the importance of recognizing and embracing this tension rather than attempting to eliminate it.

00:02:40 – Purpose of the Survey on Disaffiliation
00:05:12 – Survey Response Insights
00:07:38 – What People Love About the Church
00:10:30 – Core Values of Church Members
00:12:33 – Strengths of the Church
00:13:10 – Tension Between Tradition and Change
00:16:00 – Navigating Cultural Differences
00:19:15 – Understanding Tension in Church Experience
00:22:10 – Data on Comfort and Belonging
00:23:38 – Recognizing Conflict in the Congregation
00:30:02 – Tension Between Personal and Cultural Values
00:35:44 – Embracing Tension in Leadership
00:40:08 – Creating a Safe Space for Tension

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Lead & Teach Youth Through Strong Examples | An Interview with John Bytheway

Wed, 18 Jun 2025 07:20:12 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in March 2020.

John Bytheway has a master’s degree in Religious Education and is a popular speaker, author of more than two dozen books and CDs, and the co-host of the world-renowned Follow Him podcast with Hank Smith. He has taught the Book of Mormon at Brigham Young University and at the BYU Salt Lake Center. John served as bishop of the Salt Lake Winder 10th Ward, and currently serves as a member of the Young Men General Advisory Council.

Links

By John Bytheway
Our Turtle House is now LatterDaily
Meg Johnson’s story: “Falling Up”
Six Events: The Restoration Model for Solving Life’s Problems
The Divine Center
Follow Him
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Highlights

4:00 John’s background as a teacher and speaker

5:45 Writing books and how that happens for him

8:00 How his calling as a bishop came about

9:20 Serving as a bishop is different for every person and area; he had people asking for welfare support before he ever sat in the bishop’s chair

10:40 For bishops with significant welfare challenges in their ward

First ask what they need and listen
Make a three-column chart of what the ward can do, what the Lord can do, and what the individual can do to help them—handing back the problem to the individual so you can work on it together instead of taking it from them
Helps eliminate the transactional mentality and replace it with mentoring
Help them get their spiritual act together first

16:20 Emphasis to push more things (such as welfare needs) to the ward council; called a “welfare coordinator” couple to help handle welfare requests before bringing it to the bishop

18:10 Moving people closer to financial self-sufficiency and self-reliance

Learning experiences as a missionary in the Philippines and seeing similar development in the welfare program

21:15 Ended meetings with his counselors at a specific time, no matter what

22:30 “It takes a really good meeting to be better than no meeting at all”: Virtual ward council held via text messages throughout the week to eliminate much of the administrative points so they could really focus on individuals in the ward council meeting

24:20 Losing the joy in the calling, and how talking with others who have struggled helped

Experience speaking with Robert L. Millet and having “same boat therapy”
Recognizing that there are difficulties in the calling but moments that made it worth it
Fisher missions vs hunter missions: some fantastic stories from great moments, but difficult days, weeks, and months between

31:30 Calling ward members each evening on their birthday was a simple, routine thing that became important for connecting

34:30 Working with youth: firesides are different than teaching a class

Taught Sunday School with his wife after serving as bishop, and went back to the simple idea that you have to care for them first
Put people in place with the youth who are great examples; youth learn by example, not principles

37:10 Kids will listen differently to a speaker at a fireside because they don’t think that the speaker was influenced by what their parents or leaders are saying (“An expert is anybody from out of town”)

39:30 Stephen Covey: the order of the events in the restoration is a formula for solving life’s problems. Start with identity and relationships.

“If we want to help our children or other people change their behavior, we begin by improving the quality of our relationships with them, and we introduce new ideas before we introduce new expectations and controls. In other words, we help them see the world differently. When a person’s paradigm changes, everything else changes with it.”

44:25 His book about Moroni: Moroni didn’t get to how to run the Church until Moroni chapter 6

46:00 Working with Meg Johnson and Hank Smith

Image: magazine.byu.edu

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Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Developing Crucial Leadership Skills | An Interview with Patrick Sedivy

Sun, 15 Jun 2025 00:30:28 +0000

Patrick Sedivy is the Founder and CEO of Cumorah Academy, a non-profit private school dedicated to empowering individuals to follow Jesus Christ and positively impact their lives, careers, and communities. His commitment to service and leadership is rooted in his faith and family background—his parents defected from communist Czechoslovakia in 1969 in search of religious freedom, and he later served as a missionary in the Czech Republic. Patrick and his wife, Allyse, share a passion for inspiring and guiding young adults, which led them to establish Cumorah Academy. Patrick also serves as CEO of HYPE, a program dedicated to empowering youth and creating unforgettable experiences.

Links

CumorahAcademy.org
GoHYPE.org
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

00:03:39 – The Vision Behind Cumorah Academy
00:05:23 – Understanding the Structure of Cumorah Academy
00:06:30 – The Importance of Leadership Skills
00:08:00 – Who Can Attend Cumorah Academy?
00:09:49 – The International Reach of Cumorah Academy
00:10:34 – Tuition and Scholarships
00:12:26 – Language and Learning Environment
00:13:11 – Success Stories from Cumorah Academy
00:14:41 – Transformative Experiences of Students
00:16:25 – The Need for Continuous Learning
00:17:42 – Addressing the Transition Challenges for Young Adults
00:18:50 – Curriculum Overview and Key Principles
00:19:28 – Accountability and Personal Growth
00:20:34 – Conflict Resolution Skills
00:22:08 – Interactive Learning Methodology
00:23:40 – Balancing Workload and Downtime
00:25:57 – Creating Positive Connections Among Students
00:27:36 – The Role of Visiting Mentors
00:29:50 – Public Speaking and Presentation Skills
00:31:07 – Leadership Curriculum and Modules
00:32:54 – Holistic Approach to Student Well-being
00:34:37 – Measuring Emotional Resilience and Hopefulness
00:36:39 – The Importance of Human Connection
00:38:06 – Opportunities for Mentorship and Involvement
00:39:49 – Conclusion and Resources for Further Engagement
00:41:13 – Introducing Hype: Humanitarian Leadership Experience

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Introverts in the Church of Jesus Christ | An Interview with Adam McHugh

Wed, 11 Jun 2025 07:01:39 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in March 2018.

Adam McHugh is an author, former hospice chaplain, spiritual director, and minister, and now a wine tour guide and sommelier. The author of Introverts in the Church: Finding Our Place in an Extroverted Culture, he is an ordained Presbyterian minister, having earned a Masters of Divinity and Masters of Theology in Greek New Testament from Princeton Theological Seminary. He is also the author of The Listening Life: Embracing Attentiveness in a World of Distraction. Since this interview was recorded he has written a memoir, Blood from a Stone. Adam lives in California’s Santa Ynez Valley, and may be the only person published in both Psychology Today and Wine Enthusiast.

Links

Introverts in the Church: Finding Our Place in an Extroverted Culture
The Listening Life: Embracing Attentiveness in a World of Distraction
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Highlights

4:30 Becoming an ordained minister

7:30 What led to writing Introverts in the Church

10:50 Explanation of introversion and extroversion

16:00 Problems that introverts experience at church

19:00 Understanding the discomfort of personal vulnerability and sharing beliefs as an expression of faith

22:00 Introverts generally prefer depth over breadth

24:00 The power of listening: experience at a hospital

30:00 Introverts and small talk

34:00 How introverts approach dealing with conflict and decisions

40:00 Silence, reverence, and the internal experience compared to active social environments

45:20 Cultural clash of introvert and extrovert leaders: overcoming stereotypes and encouraging introverts to be leaders

48:50 Reaching out to invite introverts to participate

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Creating a Chick-fil-A Ward | An Interview with Scott Rasband

Sat, 07 Jun 2025 07:00:04 +0000

Scott Rasband worked 15 years in medical device sales and leadership before transitioning to Chick-fil-A, and has spent the last 10 years operating the Chick-fil-A in Spanish Fork, Utah. In the Church, Scott has served as a Young Men president, elders quorum president, bishopric counselor, and bishop. He is the father of five and currently serves as the bishop of a Young Single Adult ward.

Links

Read the transcript of this podcast

Highlights

Scott Rasband wears two significant hats: he is both the owner of a Chick-fil-A restaurant in Spanish Fork, Utah, and a YSA bishop. He describes the values instilled by the Cathy family, owners of the Chick-fil-A brand, and how these values shape the experience for both employees and customers. He emphasizes the importance of local ownership and how it fosters a sense of community and connection.

Scott talks about “second mile service,” a principle derived from Matthew 5:41, which encourages going above and beyond for others. He illustrates this concept with anecdotes from his restaurant—moments that create emotional connections and leave a lasting impression on customers.

Scott shares insights into his role as a YSA bishop, where he applies similar leadership principles. He discusses the importance of being present, allowing young adults to lead, and connecting them to a higher purpose. Informal gatherings, like “Straggler Sundays” at his home, foster community and build trust among ward members. Scott’s approach to leadership is characterized by vulnerability and accessibility, as he actively reaches out to members through texts and personal interactions. He highlights the significance of mentorship and the power of creating a culture where young adults feel valued and empowered.

00:02:14 – Chick-fil-A Culture and Leadership
00:04:03 – Scott’s Background and Experience
00:05:10 – Positive Perspectives on Young Adults
00:06:24 – Connecting Youth to Jesus Christ
00:07:13 – Chick-fil-A’s Unique Organizational Culture
00:09:25 – The Importance of Sunday Closure
00:11:22 – Mission to Be the World’s Most Caring Company
00:12:22 – Translating Mission Statements into Action
00:13:41 – Servant Leadership in Action
00:14:56 – The Impact of Chick-fil-A’s Values
00:16:05 – Local Ownership and Community Impact
00:17:02 – The Role of Personal Connection in Leadership
00:18:10 – Examples of Chick-fil-A’s Customer Experience
00:20:10 – Core Four Principles for Employee Interaction
00:22:36 – The Origin of “My Pleasure”
00:23:09 – The Significance of Culture in Organizations
00:24:26 – Retention and Employee Satisfaction
00:25:38 – Patterns of Gathering in the YSA Ward
00:27:44 – Straggler Sunday Concept
00:28:59 – Informal Gatherings and Building Relationships
00:29:20 – Digital Relationships with Ward Members
00:30:48 – The Importance of Availability
00:32:06 – Mentoring and Leadership Development
00:33:11 – Involving Spouses in Ministry
00:34:05 – Creating a Culture of Vulnerability
00:35:09 – The Role of Surprise and Delight
00:36:11 – Letting Young Adults Lead
00:39:29 – Delegating Responsibility in Chick-fil-A
00:40:39 – Building Trust Through Delegation
00:41:26 – Adapting to Change in the YSA Ward
00:42:18 – Embracing New Traditions in Worship

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Thank You For Supporting Tanzanian Latter-day Saints | An Interview with Brenda Angle

Wed, 04 Jun 2025 07:12:12 +0000

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Brenda Angle is an author and a certified faith-based life coach and speaker who has also trained and certified 200 other faith-based life coaches. She has served as president of United Families for Arizona and as an NGO lobbyist at the United Nations. In her humanitarian work, she has served as vice president of Hearts and Hands for Humanity, vice president director of philanthropy for Legacy Giving Fund, and has traveled to Tanzania, Africa for eight years. At church, she has served as a Young Women president, Primary president, stake and ward Relief Society president, stake camp director, and as a service missionary teaching study skills at the Provo Missionary Training Center. Brenda is the mother of nine children and grandmother of 40.

Links

Gathering African Saints to the Temple | A How I Lead Interview with Brenda Angle
Mully
Hearts and Hands for Humanity
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Highlights

Brenda tells about the remarkable project she spearheaded: organizing a temple trip for over 500 individuals from Tanzania to the Nairobi, Kenya temple during its open house.

Brenda recounts how the idea for this trip blossomed from a small initiative to take a handful of people to the temple into a massive undertaking that involved 13 buses and more than 500 participants, including members of the church, investigators, and even orphans. The excitement grew rapidly, and with the help of the Leading Saints community we were able to raise significant funds to support this endeavor. Brenda shared her awe at the generosity of our audience, which allowed her to cover costs for transportation, lodging, and meals for all participants.

The journey was fraught with obstacles, yet the spirit of the participants remained high and their gratitude was palpable. Brenda describes the emotional impact of the experience, especially for those who had never seen a temple before. She emphasizes the transformative power of the temple and how this trip will not only impact the individuals who attended but also strengthen The Church in Tanzania.

00:01:41 – Brenda Angle’s Humanitarian Project
Recap of the previous interview with Brenda.

00:04:22 – Planning the Temple Trip
Brenda discusses the initial idea and planning stages for taking people from Tanzania to the Nairobi Kenya temple.

00:06:57 – Fundraising Success
Details on the overwhelming support and donations received from the Leading Saints audience to fund the trip.

00:09:20 – Organizing the Trip
Brenda describes the logistics of organizing multiple buses and the challenges faced leading up to the trip.

00:12:08 – Challenges on Departure Day
An account of the chaos and challenges encountered on the day of departure.

00:15:20 – Arrival in Nairobi
The experience of arriving in Nairobi, including accommodations and feeding the participants.

00:17:03 – Experiencing the Temple
Describing the participants’ experiences at the temple, including their reactions and feelings.

00:20:32 – Diverse Participants
Discussion on the demographics of the participants, including members, investigators, and orphans.

00:22:24 – Temple Grounds and Activities
Details about the activities on the temple grounds and the emotional impact on the participants.

00:26:21 – Reflections on Leadership and Opposition
Brenda shares insights on leadership challenges faced during the project and the spiritual lessons learned.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Literally Becoming a Better Leader | An Interview with Ryan Gottfredson

Sat, 31 May 2025 07:07:01 +0000

Ryan Gottfredson, Ph.D. is a cutting-edge leadership development author, researcher, and consultant. He helps organizations vertically develop their leaders primarily through a focus on mindsets. Ryan is the Wall Street Journal and USA Today best-selling author of Success Mindsets, The Elevated Leader, and Becoming Better. He is also a leadership professor at the College of Business and Economics at California State University-Fullerton.

Links

RyanGottfredson.com
Personal mindset assessment
Vertical development assessment
Ryan’s books:
Becoming Better: The Groundbreaking Science of Personal Transformation
Success Mindsets: The Key to Unlocking Greater Success in Your Life, Work, & Leadership
The Elevated Leader: Leveling Up Your Leadership Through Vertical Development
Previous podcasts with Ryan:
What About Our Culture is Holding Us Back?
Is There a Correlation Between Losing Faith and Moving?
The Research Behind Becoming Christlike
Is Your Mindset Limiting Your Leadership?
What Every Leader Should Consider About Community in Their Ward
Articles by Ryan at LeadingSaints.org
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Highlights

Ryan talks about personal development and becoming better leaders through understanding our own complexities and healing. He explores the science of sanctification and the difference between merely doing better and truly becoming better, focusing on our “being side”—the quality of our internal operating system—rather than just our “doing side,” which encompasses our skills and knowledge. Learning this distinction can help leaders as they support others who are struggling in their lives.

Ryan explains how our relationships with risk, failure, conflict, and even ourselves can reveal the quality of our being. Many leaders operate from a place of fear or insecurity, which can limit their effectiveness and impact. Ryan explores the concept of the “window of tolerance,” which refers to our ability to manage stress and emotional responses. He explains how a narrow window can lead to reactivity, while a wider window allows for greater emotional regulation and resilience. Understanding this can help leaders create a supportive environment for their congregations. Ryan also encourages leaders to consider their own journeys and the areas where they may need healing.

00:02:00 – The evolution of Ryan’s books and the deepening of his leadership concepts

00:05:00 – Mindsets and the difference between vertical and horizontal development in leadership

00:07:00 – The Being Side vs. Doing Side: The importance of focusing on the “being” side of leadership for transformational growth

00:09:00 – Connection between leadership principles and gospel teachings, emphasizing the importance of becoming

00:10:30 – The role of personal healing in effective leadership and the importance of self-awareness

00:12:00 – The window of tolerance and its relevance to emotional regulation

00:15:00 – Personal complexity and its impact on leadership effectiveness

00:20:00 – Exploration of emotional complexity and self-complexity in leaders

00:25:00 – Examining leaders’ relationships with risk, failure, and conflict as indicators of their health

00:30:00 – Contrast between survival-focused leadership and purpose-driven leadership

00:35:00 – Investigating the quality of relationships with self, others, and various challenges

00:40:00 – The challenges of people-pleasing and its impact on leadership effectiveness

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Women Leaders in Church History | An Interview with Jennifer Reeder

Wed, 28 May 2025 07:00:10 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in August 2021.

Jenny Reeder is a historian and writer, currently the nineteenth-century women’s history specialist at the Church History Department in the publications division, and was one of the first historians hired to specialize in women’s history. She holds a PhD in American history from George Mason University, specializing in women’s history, religious history, memory, and material culture. She also holds degrees from Brigham Young University, Arizona State University, and New York University.

Jenny served a mission in Italy and has served three times as a ward Relief Society president, including when she was in graduate school and fighting leukemia. Jenny has collaborated on several books about Latter-day Saint women’s history and is the author of First: The Life and Faith of Emma Smith.

Links

First: The Life and Faith of Emma Smith
A Place to Belong: Reflections from Modern Latter-day Saint Women
The Witness of Women: Firsthand Experiences and Testimonies from the Restoration
At the Pulpit: 185 Years of Discourses by Latter-day Saint Women
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Highlights

2:50 Writing her book about Emma Smith. Her goal was to write about her as a pillar of the Restoration and a significant founder of the Church with Joseph, and to make her a real woman and show how complicated her life was, her commitment, and her heartbreak.

5:20 So many members of the Church have been influenced to believe she was a fallen person because she did not come west with the other pioneers, but she retained her testimony and hers is a story of redemption.

7:45 Jenny’s experience with cancer while serving as a Relief Society president during her time in graduate school at George Mason

Participating in ward council from her hospital bed
Visiting with less-active people and learning to receive service
Sending emails and physical cards to people as she was prompted
Finding her purpose outside of “not dying”

15:15 Serving is an opportunity to learn, serve, and receive revelation in way you haven’t before, and this can be a blessing in a difficult time.

19:00 The goals of RS were to provide relief and save souls. She found relief for herself as she provided relief to others, and came to understand the Atonement on a deeper level.

21:00 Developing relationships that continue: maintaining relationships from her old ward has been powerful for everyone as they have rallied together to support each other through difficult times.

23:00 The Church was never really organized until the Relief Society was organized. Having women involved is significant and they have Priesthood authority in their stewardship. The most beneficial experience is when they are recognized for that leadership and allowed to do what they can.

27:00 Emma’s instructions in Doctrine and Covenants Section 25

Emma struggled with her role to teach and had to learn how to lead
In Nauvoo Relief Society, you had to apply for membership. It was a step toward being able to participate in temple ordinances.
Emma’s role in creating the hymnbook, and being the first woman to receive her endowment
She was called to be a support for Joseph: significance of the words “comfort” and “office”, and of leaving her family to go with him and to stay with him

36:50 The Relief Society was told to create offices to expand what they needed

39:00 Speaking up to have your voice heard: It was not normal for women to speak publicly in the 19th century, and even now women can be unaccustomed to speaking and leading

Eliza R. Snow was asked to assist bishops and to instruct the sisters, but she was not accustomed to speaking out, but she learned how to do this and taught others how
Relief Society was shut down and Eliza became the de facto Relief Society president before she was called by John Taylor, which was also after the death of Emma

46:30 President Nelson has called for women to speak up and speak out

Speaking up in discussions as well as in councils
Relief Society was previously more discussion-oriented, and then moved more to a lesson/lecture format. The move back to discussion with Come Follow Me works better to involve more people.

52:15 There was a deep commitment to Relief Society that we don’t seem to have today

Her favorite Nauvoo Relief Society: Zinah Jacobs Young’s experience becoming a member of Relief Society
Eliza’s expansion of that idea as she traveled and taught: Relief Society brings women together and gathers their embers in to a flame of fire
55:15 Eliza’s letter: “May you have a copious refreshment of the Spirit”; they felt the Spirit as a purifying stream

57:30 The Relief Society president is enlarged as she calls on the sisters to do ministering: Eliza instructed them to go into the homes of the people and re-light the fires of the sisters; meet their needs to provide relief to them.

1:00:30 The influence of otherwise-unknown women leaders

Jane Lyman’s story and her discourse in At the Pulpit: Charity covers a multitude of sins
Talk by unknown Eleanor Georgina Jones, about prayer: “Prayer is the key to the statehouse of our understanding.” “There is no pit so deep, no hole so dark, that you cannot reach out to your Heavenly Father in prayer.”
We need the voices of the people on the margins

1:07:45 These women have become her hosts, sitting with her in difficult times and as she has studied them. They can provide depth as our spiritual sisters.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Church Leadership in the 70s & 80s | Rick Francom, Bill Luker, and Lynn Peterson

Sat, 24 May 2025 06:57:54 +0000

Bill Luker served in the U.S. Army Reserve and was part of one of the first graduating classes in Computer Science from the University of Utah. He worked as a computer engineer/programmer for Sperry UNIVAC, Evans & Sutherland, and The Church. Bill has played the piano since age six and the organ since age 13, studying with two Tabernacle organists. He currently serves as a stake patriarch and assists the Tabernacle organists. He has previously served as a missionary in Ireland, a teacher, ward and stake organist, as a bishop and in multiple bishoprics, and as a stake president.

Lynn Peterson is retired from the U.S. Air Force. He currently serves as a Primary chorister with his wife Cindy, and loves it. He has previously served as a missionary in the North British Mission, a Primary and Sunday School teacher, elders quorum president, stake high councilor, bishop, and in a stake presidency. He has also served three church service missions with the Salt Lake Cannery, Temple Square security, and the University of Utah First Stake.

Rick Francom is Kurt’s father. He served as a bishop twice, once in a newly-formed and highly-transitory ward that was made up entirely of apartments. He was one of the last bishops to be ordained by a member of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles in the regular process of being called as a bishop.

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Highlights

In this episode we take a nostalgic journey back to the 1970s and 1980s, delving into the experiences, challenges, and dynamics of church leadership in a different era. We touch on various topics, including administrative tasks, welfare programs, the emotional toll of leadership, and the sometimes-unconventional challenges bishops faced.

00:06:08 – Lynn Peterson’s Bishopric Experience
Lynn shares his experience of being called as a bishop in 1980 and the transition to the new block schedule.

00:07:40 – Bill Luker’s Brief Bishopric Tenure
Bill discusses his short time as bishop before being called as stake president.

00:08:53 – Rick Francom’s Journey as Bishop
Rick recounts his experience of being called as a bishop at a young age and the challenges he faced.

00:12:26 – Ordination by a General Authority
Rick shares the process of being ordained by an apostle and the significance of that experience.

00:15:35 – Lynn’s Unexpected Call
Lynn reflects on his unexpected call to be bishop and the learning curve that followed.

00:17:09 – Bill’s Stake Presidency Call
Bill shares his experience of being called as stake president shortly after serving as bishop.

00:19:07 – Leadership Challenges
Discussion on the feelings of inadequacy and the reliance on the Spirit in leadership roles.

00:25:26 – Financial Concerns in Leadership
Exploration of the financial challenges faced by church leaders in the 70s and 80s.

00:28:12 – Budgeting and Fundraising
Discussion on the complexities of ward budgeting and fundraising efforts in the past.

00:30:38 – Welfare and Assistance Programs
Insights into the welfare system and how leaders managed assistance for members in need.

00:33:02 – Administrative Tasks and Check Writing
Discussion on the administrative responsibilities of bishops, including cutting checks and managing funds.

00:40:02 – Unique Welfare Experiences
Rick shares a memorable story about using fast offering funds in an unconventional way.

00:42:06 – Personal Challenges of Members
Bill reflects on the personal challenges faced by ward members and the emotional toll on leaders.

00:43:34 – General Authority Visits
Bill shares experiences with general authorities visiting the stake and the insights gained from those interactions.

00:47:19 – Quarterly Conferences and Technology
Discussion on the historical context of stake conferences and the use of early computer technology for administration.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Why Recovering Addicts Make Great Bishops | An Interview with Mike Houghtaling

Wed, 21 May 2025 07:00:09 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in June 2021.

Mike Houghtaling was raised in Bellevue, Washington, and Raleigh, North Carolina, and served in the Argentina Cordoba Mission. He and his family have lived in Georgia for over 30 years. Since entering recovery, he served as a bishop’s counselor, a high councilor, and at the time of this recording was serving as the bishop of the Fayetteville Georgia YSA Ward. He worked for the Federal Aviation Administration for 37 years, most of those as an air traffic controller, retiring in 2019. Mike and his wife Andrea have five children and seven grandchildren. Mike tries to work his recovery just one day at a time.

Highlights

Mike candidly shares his decades-long struggle with pornography addiction and the profound impact it has had on his life and leadership. He describes how the addiction served as an escape from underlying emotional difficulties rooted in his childhood, highlighting that pornography is often a symptom of deeper unmet needs rather than the core issue.

A pivotal turning point came when Mike hit rock bottom after his wife discovered his secret. This led him to the Addiction Recovery Program (ARP). He emphasizes that recovery is an ongoing lifestyle, not a quick fix, and involves addressing the underlying wounds that fuel addictive behaviors.

After years of sobriety, Mike was called to serve in various leadership positions. Throughout these callings, he has been remarkably open about his past, aiming to build trust and demonstrate that God’s love and healing are available to everyone.

Mike offers valuable advice for leaders. His story is a powerful testament to the possibility of healing and the transformative potential of vulnerability and understanding in leadership.

Highlights
00:04:52 – Description of Mike’s YSA Ward
00:05:48 – Mike’s Personal Story
00:07:38 – Spiritual Wounds from Imperfect Relationships
00:10:27 – Development of Shame and Addiction
00:12:23 – Early Bishop Interactions & Unhelpful Advice
00:16:16 – Analogy: Quitting Smoking vs. Pornography
00:18:18 – Realization: Pornography Isn’t About Sex
00:19:15 – The Nature and Root Causes of Addiction
00:20:14 – Sobriety vs. Recovery
00:20:32 – Leadership Focus: Behavior vs. Underlying Wounds
00:22:33 – Rock Bottom
00:26:40 – Hope: Bishop Suggests ARP Program
00:29:03 – Deepening Involvement in 12-Step Recovery
00:32:36 – Recovery Strategy: Face It, Replace It, Connect
00:35:18 – Called as Bishopric Counselor
00:39:16 – Called as YSA Bishop
00:39:53 – Openness About Past with Leaders and Ward
00:42:53 – Purpose of Sharing Story: Connection, Not Attention
00:44:06 – Advice for New Bishops: Learn About Addiction (Attend ARP/AA)
00:53:58 – Advice for Friends/Family: Love, Grace, Connect
00:55:45 – Support for Spouses/Children of Addicts (The “True Victims”)
00:56:06 – Leaders: Support Spouses
00:58:04 – Better Follower of Christ = Better Leader

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill and many more in over 800 episodes.

From BYU Quarterback to Stake President | An Interview with Brandon Doman

Sat, 17 May 2025 07:00:28 +0000

Brandon Doman was born in Salt Lake City, Utah, and graduated from Skyline High School. He was quarterback for Brigham Young University Football and then for the San Francisco 49ers. Brandon has since been BYU Football’s quarterbacks coach and currently offensive coordinator. He is also president and co-owner of Leap Innovations, developing and manufacturing trailer hitches, precast decorative concrete landscape products, outdoor basketball hoops, pickleball nets, and outdoor lighting. Brandon is married to Alisha Barker and they have six children, ages nine through 23. He currently serves as stake president of the Alpine Utah YSA Stake.

Links

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Highlights

Brandon talks about the parallels between athletic and church leadership as a YSA stake president, and the principles that translate from sports to his current church role, emphasizing service and love in his leadership approach.

The conversation delves into the impact of Brandon’s high school coach, Roger Dupaix, and his unique coaching style, which instilled work ethic, consistency, and attention to detail. Brandon shares how these principles seamlessly transitioned to his college football experience at BYU under the legendary coach Lavell Edwards. He illustrates Lavell’s unwavering leadership, delegation style, and the environment of trust he fostered among his coaches.

Brandon reflects on his experience as a counselor in a married student ward bishopric while still playing at BYU—an early calling that provided valuable spiritual growth and a crucial perspective. Currently serving as a stake president for a young single adult stake, Brandon shares the unique aspects of this calling, including the transition to having young adults in all leadership positions. He notes the challenges faced by young adults today and how the stake strives to create a supportive and spiritually nourishing environment.

The discussion explores the specifics of leading a YSA stake, including the geographic considerations and the collaborative approach with family stakes in calling bishops. Brandon emphasizes the role of the bishop and his wife as examples and guides for the young adults. He also discusses the dynamic with his counselors and the focus on temple ordinances and training. Brandon shares key principles, such as prioritizing the most important aspects and the constant need to adapt and learn. He highlights the valuable training provided by church leadership, the importance of finding and gathering all individuals, and his belief in the divine potential of each young adult to receive a full inheritance.

00:00:00 – Introduction to YSA Leadership and Transition
00:03:24 – Brandon Doman’s Early Faith Development and Family Influence
00:06:03 – Family Challenges and the Pursuit of Football Scholarships
00:07:30 – The Role of Sports and Parental Involvement in Childhood
00:13:05 – Influence of High School Coach Roger Dupe and His Principles
00:15:49 – Transition to BYU Football and Lavell Edwards’ Coaching
00:20:48 – A Leadership Lesson from Lavell Edwards’ Consistency
00:23:19 – Lavell Edwards’ Delegation and Trust in His Coaches
00:24:53 – Early Church Leadership as a BYU Quarterback
00:28:30 – Calling as a Stake President for Young Single Adults
00:33:15 – Challenges and Needs of Young Adults in Today’s World
00:37:57 – Orienting Bishops in Young Single Adult Wards
00:39:39 – The Role of Bishops and Their Wives as Examples
00:41:26 – Dynamics with Stake Counselors and Focus on Temple Ordinances
00:43:10 – Key Leadership Principles Learned as Stake President
00:48:12 – Hope and Encouragement for Those Worrying About Young Adults
00:54:54 – The Importance of Gathering and Finding Everyone

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Expect the Unexpected as You Lead | A How I Lead Interview with Calvin Griffin

Wed, 14 May 2025 07:00:03 +0000

Calvin Griffin was born in Northern Mississippi, where he grew up and attended high school and college. After graduation he became a franchisee of a successful national pizza chain in New Orleans, and also became engaged to Avemaria Champagne. President and Sister Griffin joined The Church one month apart from each other and have been faithful members for 37 years. They were both professionals in the pharmaceutical industry, and President Griffin worked as a senior category manager for a national pharmaceutical wholesale company. They have five children, ages 24 to 34 years.

President Griffin has a strong testimony of Jesus Christ and His role as Savior & Redeemer. He has served in a stake mission presidency, as a ward mission leader, Sunday School teacher, Young Men basketball coach, in an elders quorum presidency and high priest group leadership, as a bishop and stake high councilor, and as a stake presidency counselor. He currently serves as president of the Denton, Texas stake, loves the gospel, and extends an invitation to all to come unto Christ.

Links

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Highlights

President Griffin shares his conversion story and leadership journey. He discusses his experiences as a leader and emphasizes the importance of aligning oneself with prophetic keys and the Spirit. President Griffin highlights the need to expect the unexpected in leadership. He also shares how he connects with and cares for his ward members, despite his busy calling.

Highlights coming soon

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

How I Lead as BYU Women’s Soccer Coach | An Interview with Jennifer Rockwood

Sat, 10 May 2025 07:00:02 +0000

Jennifer Rockwood is the first and only head coach for the Brigham Young University women’s soccer team, a position she has held since 1989 after graduating from BYU. Her teams have over 450 wins and made the NCAA tournament 25 times in 31 years. She talks about her career path and the leadership principles she has relied upon in leading young adult women athletes. This podcast was recorded with a live audience on the 2025 BYU Cruise.

Links

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Highlights

Coach Rockwood shares her journey into coaching, her philosophy on leadership, team culture, and her experiences coaching at BYU for decades. She emphasizes the importance of leading within one’s own personality, fostering a supportive team environment built on love and respect, and navigating the challenges of coaching young athletes. The conversation also touches on recruiting, dealing with parents, the impact of NIL, the transition to the Big 12 conference, and how her faith has influenced her coaching career.

[05:03] Jennifer’s Background and Journey into Coaching
[05:49] Early Competitive Spirit
[06:39] Playing Experience at BYU
[08:52] Transition to Coaching at BYU
[11:53] Influence of High School Coach
[16:14] Engaging Young Single Adults (YSA)
[17:31] The Importance of Involvement and Overcoming Failure
[21:43] Navigating Intense Youth Sports and Church Activities
[23:39] Parental Involvement and Pressure in Youth Sports
[25:55] The Parent-Coach Relationship
[28:17] Establishing and Maintaining Team Culture
[29:27] Recruiting and Building Culture from the Start
[31:18] Key Elements of Team Culture: Love and Respect
[33:07] Leading Within Your Own Personality
[35:47] Helping Struggling Players
[37:22] One-on-One Interactions with Players
[38:37] Dealing with Team Infighting and Maintaining Unity
[40:34] Impact of NIL (Name, Image, Likeness)
[42:20] Transition to the Big 12 Conference
[44:51] Coaching Staff Roles and Coordination
[46:53] Encouraging Support for BYU Women’s Soccer
[48:13] How Coaching Has Influenced Faith

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Why I Called 3 Relief Society Counselors | A How I Lead Interview with Amy Jo Schenewark

Wed, 07 May 2025 07:11:35 +0000

Amy Jo Schenewark holds a bachelor’s degree in Human Resources Development and Training from Brigham Young University. She works as a 911 dispatcher and training officer. Amy has served as a ward Relief Society, Young Women, and Primary president, as a Seminary teacher, nursery leader, activity director, and counselor in stake Primary and Relief Society presidencies. She currently serves as a stake Relief Society president.

Links

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Highlights

Coming soon

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Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

When a Latter-day Saint Has an Affair | An Interview with Rick Reynolds

Sat, 03 May 2025 07:00:40 +0000

Rick Reynolds is one of America’s foremost authorities helping individuals and couples struggling with affairs and compulsive sexual behaviors, with over 30 years of experience and insight. He holds a master’s degree in Social Work and is a clinical member of the American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. Rick’s company, Affair Recovery, offers anonymous online group support worldwide for those impacted by infidelity. Rick has authored numerous guides, curricula, and papers detailing reasons why people cheat, how couples can overcome the pain, heartache, and distrust, as well as ways to move forward, both individually and as a couple.

Links

AffairRecovery.com
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Rick talks about the complexities of affairs within a Christian context. He shares his personal experience with infidelity [04:32].
He emphasizes the importance of honesty and seeking guidance from God [05:46].
Rick highlights the concept of “trickle truth” as particularly damaging [15:59].
He stresses the need for full disclosure to the betrayed spouse. They explore different types of affairs [12:04].
Rick also offers advice for church leaders on how to support couples dealing with infidelity [12:53].

Rick explains that the betrayed spouse needs help with trauma and understanding [14:53].
He introduces the concept of Complex Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (CPTSD) [21:32].
This condition can significantly hinder the healing process. Rick shares effective treatment methods for trauma [25:29].
He also emphasizes the importance of community and support systems in recovery [33:34].
They discuss the timeline for healing from infidelity [37:14].
Rick also addresses the challenges of navigating relationships with affair partners [40:01].

Rick shares his perspective on involving children in the disclosure process [43:13].
He advocates for prioritizing individual healing before focusing on saving the marriage [45:42].
They explore the reasons why people have affairs [53:39].
Rick also touches on the differences between men and women in affairs [58:21].
He underscores the importance of a strong recovery program for the wayward spouse [01:01:06].

Podcast Chapters
00:04:32 – Rick’s Personal Experience
00:11:31 – Defining Infidelity
00:12:53 – Advice for Church Leaders
00:15:59 – The Danger of Trickle Truth
00:21:32 – Understanding CPTSD
00:25:29 – Treating Trauma
00:33:34 – The Importance of Community
00:37:14 – Timeline for Healing
00:40:01 – Navigating Affair Partners
00:43:13 – Involving Children
00:45:42 – Prioritizing Individual Healing
00:53:39 – Reasons for Affairs
00:58:21 – Gender Differences in Affairs
01:01:06 – The Importance of Recovery
01:04:35 – Recommended Resources
01:05:03 – The Role of Faith

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Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Is Your Mindset Limiting Your Leadership? | An Interview with Ryan Gottfredson

Wed, 30 Apr 2025 06:57:22 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in April 2020.

Ryan Gottfredson, Ph.D. is a cutting-edge leadership development author, researcher, and consultant. He helps organizations vertically develop their leaders primarily through a focus on mindsets. Ryan is the Wall Street Journal and USA Today best-selling author of Success Mindsets: The Key to Unlocking Greater Success in Your Life, Work, & Leadership and The Elevated Leader: Leveling Up Your Leadership Through Vertical Development. He is also a leadership professor at the College of Business and Economics at California State University-Fullerton.

Links

RyanGottfredson.com
Success Mindsets: Your Keys to Unlocking Greater Success in Life, Work, and Leadership
The Elevated Leader: Level Up Your Leadership Through Vertical Development
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Highlights

Ryan explores the critical role of mindsets in effective leadership. Leaders often enter their roles with good intentions but may inadvertently create negative environments due to their mindsets. Ryan shares insights on how mindsets shape perceptions and behaviors, using examples from sports and personal experiences. He discusses the difference between closed and open mindsets, highlighting how a closed mindset can hinder effective leadership. He examines the prevention versus promotion mindset, illustrating how focusing on avoiding problems can stifle growth. The conversation encourages leaders to embrace open-mindedness and take calculated risks to foster engagement and positive change within their organizations, ultimately stressing the importance of having a clear vision to guide leadership efforts.

05:45 Value of mindset in assuming leadership responsibilities; NFL example of good intentions gone awry. Leader impact on “subordinate” self-esteem.

11:15 Becoming awakened to our personal mindsets, e.g. homeless individuals

15:00 Do we perceive our leaders as doing their best? Bias towards our personal perceptions vs openness to other possibilities. Unintentional damage to team/group/congregation members.

18:39 Mindset in conducting successful meetings. Chrysler/Lee Iacocca case study. Desire to look good, be right, avoid problems and get ahead are self-focused, negative self-protection modes. We should want to learn and grow, find truth, reach goals, and lift others.

24:05 We limit ourselves by believing our opinions count more than others.

26:00 Decision making becomes stunted if we are closed. Do we desire to be the person with all the answers who minimizes the perspectives of others? Do people feel psychological safety in the group?

31:20 Do we allow formal handbooks to stifle our creativity?

32:50 Prevention mindset vs risk taking. Fleeing to safe comfort zone may not lead to original destination.

36:40 Sacrament meeting mindset

40:30 Comfort-focused vs intention focused. Are the people in the group growing? Do we deem our bucket so full we cannot pour anything else into it by way of considering avenues for growth?

44:00 How do we know if people in the organization are engaged and growing? What drives engagement? Do stakeholders feel their opinions matter? Gallup study reveals 30% of workforce feels truly engaged.

50:15 Only 5% of mindset survey respondents find themselves in the top quartile. There is no correlation among the four mindsets. Failure avoidance leads to wanting to look good as opposed to learning/growing. 50% of population has fixed mindset. Spiritually, are sanctification and tapping into the Spirit more difficult with a closed mindset about self? Having faith to “lean into” difficult situations.

1:00:37 Consider crucial conversations with leaders whose closed mindset is negatively impacting the organization. “I Hear You” by Michael Sorensen will improve your emotional intelligence.

1:03:53 Are we closed-minded in thinking our leader has a closed mindset? Being proactive.

1:05:05 Once we know our mindset tendencies, how will we take charge of our future? Neuro connection link. Shift towards more positive mindset is easier than many realize. “The Power of Stillness.” Focusing on behaviors without modifying our mindset leads to frustrations. Learning from mistakes.

1:13:55 Becoming a better disciple of Christ by learning, growing, finding truth, and lifting others. Live in opportunity mindset, not fear. The Atonement is liberating.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill and many more in over 800 episodes.

Connecting Authentically with Youth | An Interview with Braeden Jensen

Sat, 26 Apr 2025 06:05:50 +0000

Braeden Jensen is a Mental Health Counselor and previously worked as a full-time Seminary teacher. Spending seven years in a high school classroom opened his eyes to a number of things. It changed his ability to listen and sharpened his aptitude for empathy. The more he sat with and listened to students, the more he saw and felt how many people are hurting in very real ways.

At the same time, Braeden considered how therapy had helped him find hope and healing. The puzzle pieces quickly came together: “You can help more people in some tangible, substantial ways.” After pursuing his Clinical Mental Health Counseling degree, he recently left the classroom full-time to find more fulfillment in helping others enjoy freedom, peace, and healing. He loves seeing people overcome trauma, depression, anxiety, and addiction, and heal their relationships along the way.

Braeden shares insights on connecting with youth and helping them navigate their emotions and spiritual journeys. Driven by a desire to provide deeper support, Braeden discusses his transition from teaching seminary to becoming a therapist. He emphasizes emotional literacy, authenticity, and creating safe spaces for youth to express their feelings. Braeden highlights the importance of understanding the youth psyche, addressing issues like pornography, anxiety, and depression. He advocates for integrating emotional awareness in church settings and modeling authenticity for youth, showing it’s okay to express struggles and emotions openly. Braeden also discusses surrendering control, trusting in God’s plan, changing prayers to invite God into our story, and continuously learning about God.

Links

BraedenJensen.com
@braejensen on Instagram
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

03:57 – Braeden’s Career Transition

06:45 – Creating Safe Spaces for Youth

11:45 – Understanding Youth Psyche

18:53 – Emotional Literacy

24:30 – Integrating Emotional Awareness in Church Settings

34:38 – Authenticity and Vulnerability

44:57 – Surrender and Trust in God

48:07 – Changing Prayers

50:24 – Modeling Authenticity

56:33 – Continuous Learning about God

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Bringing the Hard Questions to Relief Society | A How I Lead Interview with Kristy Wheelwright Taylor

Wed, 23 Apr 2025 07:11:18 +0000

Kristy Wheelwright Taylor serves as the board secretary for the Wilford Woodruff Papers Foundation and helps with transcription and writing on the Wilford Woodruff Papers Project. Her book, Prepare Me for Thy Use: Lessons from Wilford Woodruff’s Mission Years, will be published on May 12 by Deseret Book and BYU’s Religious Studies Center. Kristy has a masters degree in Humanities from Brigham Young University and has worked as an English Instructor at Purdue University, a copy editor, technical writer, travel writer, and historical researcher and writer. She has enjoyed serving in a variety of callings in Primary, Young Women, Relief Society, family history, and the stake communications council; she currently serves as the stake Relief Society president in Trophy Club, Texas.

Links

Prepare Me for Thy Use: Lessons from Wilford Woodruff’s Mission Years
Developing Wilford Woodruff as a Leader | An Interview with Steven Wheelwright
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

This discussion highlights the Wilford Woodruff Papers project, which aims to compile and make accessible all writings related to Woodruff. Kristy shares her family’s connection to this project and her experiences as a stake Relief Society president in Texas.

Kristy emphasizes the importance of unity among Church leaders and fostering doctrinal confidence among women. She encourages open discussions about challenging topics, such as garments and temple recommends, to help leaders feel prepared. By sharing personal stories and insights from Wilford Woodruff, Kristy illustrates how sincere testimonies can strengthen relationships within the Church. She highlights the beauty of the plan of salvation and the joy it brings to those who follow Jesus Christ.

05:03 – Connection to Wilford Woodruff
06:56 – The Wilford Woodruff Papers Project
09:08 – Overview of Kristy’s Book
10:00 – Kristy’s Role as Stake Relief Society President
11:07 – Support from Stake Leadership
11:47 – Changes in Stake Leadership Sundays
12:47 – Demographics of the Stake
12:49 – Engaging with the Wards
14:31 – Building Relationships with Ward Leaders
15:38 – Common Challenges in Relief Society
19:29 – Unity in Leadership
20:36 – Importance of Sincere Testimonies
22:42 – Fostering Doctrinal Confidence
27:26 – Encouraging Open Discussions
29:49 – Addressing Hard Questions
32:24 – Collaborating with Other Leaders
36:21 – Normalizing Difficult Conversations
40:36 – The Role of Problem Solving in Leadership

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

The Science of Pornography Use | An Interview with Brian Willoughby

Sat, 19 Apr 2025 07:00:01 +0000

Brian J. Willoughby, Ph.D. is a professor in the School of Family Life at Brigham Young University and a research fellow at The Wheatley Institute. He received a bachelor’s degree in Psychology from BYU and masters and doctoral degrees in Family Social Science from the University of Minnesota. Brian’s research generally focuses on how adolescents, young adults, and adults move toward and form long-term committed relationships, and has been widely cited in the media. He is also the author of The Millennial Marriage and The Marriage Paradox: Why Emerging Adults Love Marriage Yet Push it Aside. Brian and his wife Cassi have been married for 23 years and they have four children.

Links

Wheatley Institute research reports
Addressing Pornography
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Kurt and Brian discuss the complexities of pornography use within religious contexts. Brian emphasizes that young adults will encounter pornography, often leading to shame and guilt. He highlights the importance of understanding the motivations behind pornography use, which can range from curiosity to emotional coping mechanisms.

Brian also addresses the stigma surrounding addiction labels. He explains that only about 10% of users experience compulsive behavior, while many others face problematic use. Church leaders should focus on creating a safe environment for youth to discuss these issues. By asking questions about triggers and providing coping strategies, leaders can help youth navigate their experiences. Brian encourages a balanced approach to discussing pornography, emphasizing hope, understanding, and the potential for growth through repentance.

03:35 – Brian Willoughby’s Expertise in Pornography Research
04:26 – Overview of BYU and the Wheatley Institute
05:57 – Research Impact on Policy and Society
06:57 – Teaching Future Therapists and Family Studies
07:37 – The Stigma of Pornography in Religious Contexts
08:50 – Understanding the Broader Impact of Pornography
09:51 – Meta-Analyses and Key Findings on Pornography
11:38 – The Concept of Addiction and Compulsive Behavior
12:58 – Potential for DSM Inclusion of Hypersexual Disorder
13:47 – Brain Chemistry and Pornography Use
15:29 – Distinction Between Addictive and Problematic Use
17:34 – Scripting Expectations from Pornography
19:24 – Social Media and Its Impact on Mental Health
20:34 – The Need for Open Conversations About Pornography
21:09 – The Role of Church Leaders in Addressing Pornography
22:13 – The Importance of Avoiding Labels of Addiction
23:47 – Understanding Youth Experiences with Pornography
25:56 – The Normative Context of Pornography Use
27:06 – Creating Positive Conversations Around Pornography
28:51 – The Role of Fear and Anxiety in Youth Discussions
30:05 – Normalizing Sin and Repentance
31:04 – Distinction Between Guilt and Shame
34:02 – Motivating Youth Through Guilt vs. Shame
36:57 – The Importance of Understanding Triggers
39:11 – Building Coping Skills for Youth
41:27 – Final Thoughts on Support and Guidance

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

How I Lead “High Adventure” Experiences with Youth | An Interview with Ned McArthur

Wed, 16 Apr 2025 07:00:18 +0000

Ned McArthur is a fellow of the International Board of Functional Neurology, was in private practice as a chiropractor in Orem, Utah, for 25 years, and now works with Integrated Pain Specialists, a multidisciplinary pain clinic in South Jordan, Utah. He served a mission in Dallas, Texas, and has served in the Church as an elders quorum president, ward executive secretary, ward mission leader, Young Men president, Varsity Scout leader, and youth Sunday School teacher. He currently serves as priests quorum high adventure specialist, as a Primary teacher, and a temple worker.

Links

Scriptures referenced in this podcast: Moses 6:63, 1 Nephi 18:3
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Ned explores the importance of high adventure activities in developing character and spiritual growth among youth. He shares his journey in youth leadership, emphasizing the need for proactive communication with parents and the significance of creating a supportive environment. He highlights the planning process for high adventure experiences, including engaging youth in decision-making and preparing them through various activities. Ned also discusses the spiritual aspects of these adventures, encouraging youth to find Jesus in their experiences. He shares personal anecdotes that illustrate how these activities foster camaraderie and personal growth.

02:51 – Exploring High Adventure Activities
05:08 – Ned’s Background in Young Mens Leadership
10:10 – The Importance of Proactive Leadership
12:13 – Developing a High Adventure Program
16:05 – Planning Party for Youth Activities
20:52 – Preparing for the Backpacking Adventure
24:36 – Budgeting for High Adventure Activities
26:10 – Effective Communication with Parents
30:02 – Engaging with Parents for Support
32:10 – Finding Jesus in High Adventure
38:43 – The Power of Prayer in Activities
42:15 – Building a Supportive Culture Among Youth

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Being in the World But Not Of the World | An Interview with John Eldredge

Sat, 12 Apr 2025 06:55:48 +0000

John Eldredge is a New York Times bestselling author, counselor, and teacher who has inspired millions to go deeper in their relationship with Jesus. He is also president of Wild at Heart, a ministry devoted to helping people discover the heart of God, recover their own hearts in God’s love, and learn to live in God’s kingdom. John and his wife, Stasi, live in Colorado Springs, Colorado. His new book, Experience Jesus. Really. is available now.

Links

Reconnecting with God as a Distracted Church Leader | An Interview with John Eldredge
Helping Others Restore Personal Worship & Connection with God | An Interview with John Eldredge
Experience Jesus. Really: Finding Refuge, Strength, and Wonder through Everyday Encounters with God
Wild at Heart: Discovering the Secret of a Man’s Soul
WildatHeart.org
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

John shares insights from his extensive background as a therapist and author. He encourages listeners to embrace a more experiential relationship with God. John argues that many Christians overlook the importance of intimacy with the divine, often focusing too heavily on intellectual understanding. By inviting God into everyday decisions, individuals can cultivate a deeper spiritual life and seek joy and connection with God in their daily lives.

01:50 – Introduction of John Eldredge
02:30 – John’s Background and Work
04:00 – Impact of “Wild at Heart”
05:00 – Evolving Insights on Men’s Needs
06:30 – Addressing Modern Challenges for Men
08:00 – The Importance of Validation for Men
09:30 – Engaging Men in Spiritual Discussions
11:00 – Check-in Practices for Men’s Groups
12:30 – Spectrogram Activity Reflection
14:00 – Addressing the “I’m Fine” Mentality
15:30 – Entry Points for Men’s Retreats
17:00 – Importance of Purpose and Meaning
18:00 – Introduction to “Experience Jesus Really”
19:30 – The Trilogy of John’s Books
20:30 – The Need for Experiential Faith
22:00 – The Impact of Internet Life on Spirituality
23:30 – Seeking Rest in God
25:00 – The Role of Desire in Spiritual Life
26:30 – The Concept of Spiritual Amphibians
28:00 – Inviting God into Daily Life
29:30 – The Importance of Mysticism in Faith
31:00 – Understanding Mysticism in Christianity
32:30 – The Need for Experiential Connection with God
34:00 – Ordinary Mystics and Childlike Wonder
35:30 – The Relationship Between Left and Right Brain
37:00 – The Role of Relational Connection in Faith
38:30 – Reframing Mysticism as Experiential Faith
40:00 – Finding God in Creation
41:30 – Communing with God Through Worship
43:00 – Conclusion and Final Thoughts on Experiencing God

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

3 Types of Elders Who Attend Quorum Meeting | A How I Lead Interview with Adam Broderick

Wed, 09 Apr 2025 07:00:11 +0000

Adam Broderick served a mission in Kyiv, Ukraine. He went on to earn a PhD in Chemical Engineering, and is a devoted husband and father of four. Adam was recently released as an elders quorum president, has previously served as a counselor in the bishopric, ward mission leader, and stake Young Men counselor, and has just been called as stake Sunday School president. Adam enjoys outdoor adventures like peak bagging, rock climbing, backpacking, ice climbing, and canyoneering. A runner and cyclist, he also enjoys playing the piano.

Links

The Art of Gathering, by Priya Parker
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Highlights

Adam reflects on his three years as elders quorum president, recalling the initial challenge of revitalizing a stagnant quorum after the pandemic. His quorum includes a diverse mix of young adults and seniors, which made fostering meaningful connections essential. To lead effectively, Adam prioritized creating a safe space for open discussions, believing connection must come before impactful gospel instruction. He shares practical strategies, such as beginning meetings with personal check-ins and setting ground rules to encourage trust and honesty. These efforts helped members feel heard and valued.

The discussion shifts to ministering, where Adam stresses the importance of building personal connections during interviews. Instead of administrative check-ins, he promotes genuine conversations about members’ lives to create a culture of support and vulnerability. Adam also introduced interest-based activities outside regular meetings, which strengthened camaraderie. Additionally, informal tools like WhatsApp have kept members connected and supported between gatherings, enhancing the sense of community.

04:10 – Adam’s Location and Temple Proximity
05:17 – Adam’s Profession and Role
06:02 – Adam’s Experience as Elders Quorum President
07:06 – Challenges of Reintegrating After COVID
08:02 – Demographics of the Quorum
08:59 – Meeting Locations and Challenges
09:46 – Initial Steps as Elders Quorum President
10:50 – Focus on Ministering Assignments
12:05 – Building Connection and Unity
13:10 – Moving from Ideal to Reality in Lessons
18:30 – Importance of Vulnerability in Discussions
20:12 – Engaging Different Groups in Lessons
24:51 – Real-Life Example: Discussing Blessings
30:01 – Connection Precedes Meaningful Instruction
30:44 – Creating Ground Rules for Safety
35:03 – Connection Outside Sunday Meetings
39:58 – Interest-Based Micro Groups
40:33 – Managing Activities and Engagement
41:22 – Using WhatsApp for Communication
44:40 – Ministering to the Ministers
47:51 – Conclusion and Final Thoughts

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Why Your Elders Quorum Needs Round Tables | An Interview from Salty Saints

Thu, 03 Apr 2025 13:55:04 +0000

What if your elders quorum could be completely transformed? One elders quorum president has a bold new vision that could reshape Latter-day Saint priesthood meetings, service efforts, and quorum unity. Hayden Holm, co-host of Salty Saints, and guest Daniel Ockey—an Elders Quorum president from Charlotte, North Carolina—shares an innovative approach to revitalizing the elders quorum experience. Daniel’s bold new vision could reshape meetings, service efforts, and quorum unity, potentially changing ward culture, ministering, and priesthood responsibilities for the better. This is a rebroadcast of the original conversation from Salty Saints.

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Read the transcript of this podcast

Highlights

Daniel shares his experiences in his newly formed ward, where he describes the challenges of leading a smaller elders quorum that lacked teachers and faced a diverse demographic, from new fathers to retirees.

Daniel candidly reflects on his own disillusionment with traditional elders quorum meetings, which often felt unengaging and disconnected. Inspired by a Christian men’s group he attended, he implemented a round-table format with snacks to foster socialization and brotherhood among the members. This approach encourages men to bond over food and engage in meaningful discussions, breaking away from the typical lecture-style meetings. Daniel also introduced anonymous surveys to identify the needs and challenges faced by the brethren, allowing for more relevant and impactful discussions during meetings. He shares examples of the types of questions raised, such as concerns about worthiness to take the sacrament and the struggle of helping children return to church.

The episode emphasizes the importance of creating a welcoming and engaging environment in elders quorum, where members feel comfortable sharing their struggles and seeking support. Daniel’s initiatives have led to increased attendance and participation, with even members from other wards joining in. He encourages other elders quorum presidencies to seek inspiration through prayer and to be open to change, ultimately aiming to create a more vibrant and supportive community within the church.

01:55 – Introduction to Salty Saints YouTube Channel
02:38 – Interview with Daniel Oki, Elders Quorum President
03:46 – Description of Daniel’s Ward and Elders Quorum
05:05 – Discussion on the Demographics of the Ward
06:43 – Daniel’s Experience with Elders Quorum
08:15 – Changing the Elders Quorum Experience
08:49 – Implementing Round Tables and Snacks
10:43 – Creating a Comfortable Social Environment
12:27 – Importance of Engaging Discussions
13:42 – Anonymous Surveys for Needs and Challenges
15:05 – Addressing Difficult Questions in Elders Quorum
16:15 – Moving Beyond Fluff in Lessons
17:15 – Utilizing Church Resources for Discussions
18:04 – Positive Changes in Elders Quorum Attendance
19:28 – Daniel’s Approach to Leadership and Change
21:09 – Engagement and Feedback from the Relief Society
22:07 – Setting Up and Taking Down Tables
24:07 – Positive Reception from High Priests
25:12 – Sisters’ Reactions to the Changes
26:09 – Advice for Elders Quorum Presidencies
29:34 – Encouragement for Elders Seeking Connection

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Toxic Perfectionism at Church | An Interview with Justin Dyer

Sat, 29 Mar 2025 07:05:20 +0000

Justin Dyer received BA in Marriage and Family from Brigham Young University and a Master’s and Ph.D. in Human Development and Family Studies from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. He also has expertise in statistics. Justin is a professor of religion at BYU, teaching religion and family classes, and focuses his research on religion and mental health. He has published over 70 peer-reviewed studies in scholarly journals.

Justin has served in various Church callings including full-time missionary in Brazil, Primary teacher, early morning Seminary teacher, Young Men leader, and bishop. He currently serves as a ward missionary. Most importantly, Justin has been married for 22 years and has six children whom he loves to inundate with the most recent, intriguing research graphs he has created.

Links

Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Justin talks about toxic perfectionism, particularly within the context of Latter-day Saints. He shares his research findings, which challenge the common belief that Latter-day Saints are inherently more prone to toxic perfectionism than individuals from other religious backgrounds. He explains that while 12% of Latter-day Saint youth exhibit high levels of toxic perfectionism, this figure is lower than the 20% found among atheists and agnostics, suggesting that toxic perfectionism is a broader human tendency rather than a specific issue tied to religious beliefs.

The conversation delves into the nuances of perfectionism, distinguishing between healthy striving for high standards and the detrimental effects of toxic perfectionism, which can lead to feelings of worthlessness and shame. Justin emphasizes the importance of fostering a secure attachment to God, which can mitigate feelings of toxic perfectionism. He highlights the role of parents and leaders in creating an environment of love and support, rather than shame, to help youth navigate their identities and self-worth. The episode also addresses the challenges faced by LGBTQ youth within religious contexts, advocating for a compassionate approach that maintains the value of religious teachings while providing necessary support. The conversation underscores the significance of identity and the need for leaders and parents to remind youth of their inherent worth as children of God, encouraging them to strive for high standards without the burden of toxic perfectionism.

01:41 – Introduction of Justin Dyer and Research Focus
02:56 – Exploring Toxic Perfectionism
03:41 – Research Intent and Methodology
05:12 – Understanding Toxic Perfectionism
06:48 – Healthy vs. Toxic Perfectionism
09:46 – Impact of Perfectionism on Identity
10:33 – Balancing Standards and Self-Worth
12:06 – The Role of Perfectionism in Religious Context
13:13 – Addressing Youth and Leadership Dynamics
14:03 – The Challenge of Leadership Messaging
16:44 – Data Insights on Toxic Perfectionism
20:06 – The Role of Religion in Mental Health
22:44 – Encouraging a Positive Gospel Experience
24:33 – Parenting and Toxic Perfectionism in Youth
27:01 – The Importance of Love in Parenting
28:51 – The Impact of Parental Relationships on Identity
30:41 – Navigating Adolescence and Identity
32:27 – The Dangers of Silent Suffering
34:13 – Encouraging Healthy Standards in Youth
36:36 – Addressing LGBTQ Dynamics in Religious Context
38:10 – The Importance of Individualized Support
40:06 – Adult Experiences with Toxic Perfectionism
42:29 – Building a Secure Relationship with God

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Putting Jesus at the Center of Your Ward | An Interview with David Butler

Wed, 26 Mar 2025 14:02:18 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in July 2020.

David Butler is a religious educator at Utah Valley University. He also cohosts the popular YouTube scripture study channel Don’t Miss This and is the author of many religious books, including Almighty: How the Most Powerful Being in the Universe Is Also Your Loving Father, Redeemer: Who He Is and Who He Will Always Be, and Spirit: The Gift that Connects You to Heaven. David has previously served as a bishop. He and his wife Jenny are the parents of six children.

Links

Don’t Miss This
Instagram: @mrdavebutler
Instagram: @dontmissthisstudy
Books by David Butler
Y Religion podcast
Seekers Wanted | An Interview with Anthony Sweat
Church Doctrine, Policy, & Leadership | An Interview with Prof. Anthony Sweat
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Highlights

Dave shares his journey into teaching, which began unexpectedly during his college years when he took a class on teaching the gospel. Despite initially vowing never to become a teacher, he found himself drawn to the profession, particularly in the context of teaching youth and sharing the gospel. Dave reflects on his experiences as a bishop, discussing how he approached leadership with a focus on people rather than programs. He emphasizes the importance of creating a meaningful sacrament meeting experience that fosters a deeper connection with God, rather than adhering strictly to traditional formats.

Throughout the episode, Dave challenges the conventional norms of church leadership and encourages listeners to question established practices. He advocates for a people-centered approach, urging leaders to consider the needs of their congregations and to innovate rather than simply follow the unwritten rules. The discussion also touches on the significance of the Come Follow Me program, with Dave suggesting that it should be viewed as a resource rather than a rigid program. He encourages families to focus on their unique needs and to create their own meaningful experiences in scripture study, ultimately aiming to foster a deeper love for God and each other.

04:04 – Dave’s Journey into Teaching
06:12 – Unexpected Path to Teaching
10:03 – Balancing Teaching and Leadership
12:26 – Embracing Individuality in Leadership
13:04 – Questioning the Status Quo
20:20 – Focusing on People Over Programs
24:02 – Creating a Meaningful Sacrament Meeting
28:07 – Innovative Approaches to Sacrament Meeting
32:50 – Collaborating with Stake Leadership
36:17 – The Importance of Individual Worship
40:50 – Grace in the Come Follow Me Program
42:43 – Viewing Come Follow Me as a Resource
45:00 – Interview with Anthony Sweat

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill and many more in over 800 episodes.

The Temple is a Jesus Place | An Interview with Gary Miller

Sat, 22 Mar 2025 07:00:56 +0000

Gary Miller is the host of the “Hope In Him Today” and “Outside The Lane” podcasts. Before joining The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, he served as an independent fundamental Baptist pastor. He spent 11 years in the United States Air Force, dividing his time between critical care medicine and professional development training as a master military training instructor. He holds a B.S. from Wayland Baptist University and studied theology at Liberty Theological Seminary. Currently, he works as a director of marketing for a Salt Lake City-based insurance firm and serves as a stake high councilor in the Katy Texas Stake. He and his wife, Crystal, live in Katy, Texas, with their four children. You’ll likely find him at a NASCAR race somewhere when he’s not doing these things.

Links

From Baptist Preacher to Latter-day Saint | An Interview with Gary Miller
Hope in Him Today podcast
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Highlights

This conversation delves into Gary’s journey of faith, focusing on the challenges and triumphs he has experienced as he navigates the cultural differences between his previous faith and his new one. Gary shares insights into the complexities of conversion, emphasizing that it is not merely a one-time event but an ongoing process that requires time and reflection.

Throughout the episode, Gary discusses the significance of the temple in his faith journey, highlighting how his understanding evolved from initial confusion to a deeper appreciation for its role in connecting him to Jesus Christ. He stresses the importance of personal connections and clear messaging when discussing the temple, advocating for a focus on the principles of Jesus rather than the mystique often surrounding the temple experience. Gary also addresses the challenges of being perceived as a newcomer in the faith, noting the need for patience and understanding as individuals navigate their spiritual journeys at their own pace.

02:08 – Gary’s Journey from Baptist Minister to Latter-day Saint
03:01 – Conversation Dynamics Between Friends
04:11 – Life Updates from Gary Miller
05:44 – The Complexity of Conversion Stories
06:34 – Cultural vs. Theological Conversion
09:14 – The Ongoing Nature of Conversion
10:27 – The Binary Nature of Faith Commitment
12:14 – The Importance of Personal Reflection in Faith
13:18 – Navigating the Journey of Faith
15:23 – The Cage Stage of New Believers
18:12 – The Need for Quiet Reflection
19:08 – Balancing Old and New Faith Communities
21:00 – Building a Foundation in Faith
22:33 – The Role of the Temple in Conversion
25:49 – Personal Connections and Understanding the Temple
29:06 – The Temple as a Place of Worship
30:40 – Messaging the Importance of the Temple
32:07 – The Need for Authentic and Simple Messaging
34:01 – Engaging with Old Friends about the Temple
36:29 – The Gravity of Worship in the Temple
37:34 – Current Calling and Church Involvement
38:32 – Gary’s Podcasting Journey
41:08 – Balancing Scripture

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Gathering African Saints to the Temple | A How I Lead Interview with Brenda Angle

Wed, 19 Mar 2025 17:31:52 +0000

Brenda Angle has served as a Young Women president, Primary president, stake and ward Relief Society president, stake camp director, and as a service missionary teaching study skills at the Provo Missionary Training Center. She is an author and a certified faith-based life coach and speaker who has also trained and certified 200 other faith-based life coaches. Brenda has served as president of United Families for Arizona and as an NGO lobbyist at the United Nations. In her humanitarian work, she has served as vice president of Hearts and Hands for Humanity, vice president director of philanthropy for Legacy Giving Fund, and has traveled to Tanzania, Africa for eight years. She is the mother of nine children and grandmother of 40.

Links

Nairobi Temple Open House Trip Fundraiser
Listen to the follow-up interview: Thank You For Supporting Tanzanian Latter-day Saints | An Interview with Brenda Angle
Why Not Me?
Breaking the Yokes that Bind Us
Mully
Hearts and Hands for Humanity
Faith-Based Life Coaching Academy
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Highlights

Brenda shares her journey of navigating leadership within the Latter-day Saint community after experiencing divorce. She reflects on her personal struggles and the feelings of being sidelined in the church community post-divorce, emphasizing the importance of empathy and connection for those facing similar challenges. Brenda recounts her experiences of feeling isolated and the transformative power of service, which ultimately led her to take on leadership roles, including serving as a stake Relief Society president.

Brenda also discusses her humanitarian work in Eastern Africa, where she has been involved in various projects, including drilling wells and empowering young women through education. She shares her excitement about the recent announcement of a temple in Nairobi, Kenya, and the unique challenges faced by members in Africa who may not fully understand the significance of the temple. Brenda is organizing a trip for Latter-day Saints from Tanzania to attend the temple’s open house, aiming to deepen their understanding of its importance and encourage them to pursue their own temple ordinances. Throughout the episode, Brenda emphasizes the need for church leaders to reach out consistently to those who are struggling, fostering a sense of belonging and community.

05:02 – Brenda’s Mission to Help Struggling Saints
06:22 – Common Struggles Among Latter-day Saints
07:24 – Navigating Life’s Messiness
07:47 – Brenda’s Books and Their Themes
08:44 – The Question of “Why Me?”
09:09 – Brenda’s Journey Through Divorce
10:27 – The Challenge of Being a Divorced Leader
11:07 – The Social Dynamics of Divorce in the Church
12:14 – The Importance of Presence and Support
13:05 – The Need for Connection in Leadership
14:28 – The Experience of Being Sidelined
15:18 – Finding Purpose After Divorce
16:10 – The Role of Service in Healing
17:23 – The Impact of Leadership on Others
18:25 – The Importance of Empathy in Leadership
19:46 – The Value of Non-Formal Callings
21:05 – The Need for Consistent Outreach
22:06 – Brenda’s Humanitarian Work in Africa
23:32 – The Joy of Serving in Africa
25:00 – The Dynamics of the Church in Africa
26:06 – The Need for Understanding and Support
27:32 – The Excitement of the Nairobi Temple Announcement
29:05 – Preparing Members for the Temple Experience
30:30 – The Logistics of the Temple Trip
32:00 – Fundraising for the Temple Trip
33:40 – The Importance of Empowering Local Members
34:40 – Observations on the Church’s Growth in Africa
34:50 – The Need for Cultural Sensitivity in Leadership
37:00 – The Significance of the Nairobi Temple
39:00 – Engaging Members in the Temple Experience
40:00 – Planning for the Temple Trip Logistics

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

How I Lead as a Jewish Rabbi in Utah | An Interview with Rabbi Chaim Zippel

Sat, 15 Mar 2025 07:00:12 +0000

Rabbi Chaim Zippel was born and raised in nearby Salt Lake City, and is the first-Utah born Chabad Rabbi. He attended Yeshivas in California and New York, and has extensive experience in outreach work and youth programming all over the country. Rabbi Chaim & Esty Zippel moved to Lehi, Utah in 2022 to launch Chabad of Utah County. Chabad of Utah County is dedicated to promoting and strengthening Jewish awareness, pride, and observance, by providing educational, cultural, and social services to all Jewish individuals regardless of background, philosophy or level of commitment. The fundamental principle of Chabad is unconditional love and acceptance of every Jew.

Links

JewishUtahCounty.com
Instagram: @jewishutahcounty
Facebook: @jewishutahcounty
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Rabbi Chaim Zippel, co-director of the Chabad of Utah County, shares about the unique experience of being Jewish in a predominantly Latter-day Saint community. He shares insights into the mission of Chabad, which aims to create a welcoming environment for Jewish individuals moving to Utah County, providing them with a space to gather, learn, and grow in their faith. The conversation delves into the differences between Jewish and Latter-day Saint practices, particularly regarding community engagement and religious observance. Rabbi Chaim explains that while prayer services may not attract large crowds, community events and educational opportunities are highly valued. He recounts his family’s journey to Utah, highlighting the challenges and rewards of establishing a Jewish presence in the area.

The discussion also touches on the complexities of Jewish dietary laws and the importance of understanding the rationale behind religious practices, emphasizing that some commandments are followed simply because they are divinely ordained. Rabbi Chaim reflects on the supportive nature of the Latter-day Saint community, noting that Utah County is one of the least anti-Semitic places he has experienced. He shares anecdotes about community support during challenging times, illustrating the strong interfaith relationships that have developed.

03:35 – Rabbi Chaim’s Background and Role
04:07 – Overview of Chabad in Utah County
05:03 – Community Focus vs. Traditional Services
06:23 – Jewish Community Dynamics in Utah
07:27 – Rabbi Chaim’s Journey to Utah
09:03 – Family Background and Chabad Movement
10:40 – The Need for Jewish Presence in Utah County
12:02 – Rabbi’s Outreach to Jewish Youth
12:35 – Community Support and Anti-Semitism in Utah
21:05 – The Role of a Rabbi and Path to Leadership
23:02 – Conversion and Personal Journeys in Faith
30:03 – Understanding Jewish Laws and Practices
32:31 – Experiences and Testimonies in Faith
36:25 – Conversion Perspectives in Judaism
40:06 – Conclusion and Final Thoughts on Faith

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

How I Lead in the Seoul Korea Military District | An Interview with Jon Holdaway

Wed, 12 Mar 2025 07:04:26 +0000

Jon Holdaway was born and raised in Pleasant Grove, Utah. He served in the Korea Seoul Mission, where he met Sister Juliette Landsem. They have two children. Jon graduated from Brigham Young University and BYU Law, and served in the Utah Army National Guard. He later became an Army JAG officer with assignments including Charlottesville, Virginia, Fort Sill, Oklahoma, and Darmstadt, Germany, where he also served in church leadership roles including bishopric member, high council member, and stake mission president.

After leaving the Army, Jon moved to Los Angeles and practiced law while serving as bishop in the Venice/Marina del Rey area. He later returned to government service, working in the national security field for 12 years and serving in various church leadership roles, including high priest group leader and stake young men president. Jon and his wife moved to Korea in 2020, where he works as a senior civilian attorney and legal advisor to the United Nations Command, Combined Forces Command, and U.S. Forces Command. He currently serves as president of the Seoul Korea Military District.

Links

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Highlights

Jon shares shares insights from his unique leadership role within a transient community of military personnel and their families, highlighting the challenges of leading in a district where members frequently move, often serving in leadership positions for only a short time. He discusses the importance of revelation in leadership, emphasizing that leaders must be proactive in seeking divine guidance and making timely decisions. Jon shares personal anecdotes about his journey to Korea, his military background, and the diverse community he serves, which includes members from various countries and backgrounds.

Throughout the conversation, Jon stresses the significance of ministering to individual leaders and ensuring their well-being, particularly in high-pressure environments. He explains how he fosters a culture of quick adaptation and responsiveness, encouraging leaders to “do something” rather than wait for perfect conditions. The episode also touches on the importance of having a clear mission statement and aligning efforts with the priorities set by church leadership, such as focusing on the rising generation, missionary work, and temple service. Jon’s experiences illustrate the necessity of building momentum in leadership roles, even amidst constant change, and the value of creating a supportive environment where leaders can thrive.

05:04 – Jon Holdaway’s Journey to Korea
06:03 – Military Background and Current Role
07:10 – Personal Connection to Korea
08:02 – Career Path and Revelatory Process
10:12 – Unique Calling as District President
11:00 – Reporting Structure in the Military District
12:36 – Coverage and Responsibilities of the District
13:43 – Diversity in the Military District
17:52 – Interaction with Korean Stakes
19:09 – Managing Transient Leadership
20:05 – Importance of Revelatory Leadership
25:16 – Coaching New Leaders on Revelation
30:20 – The Need for Quick Decision-Making
32:31 – Building Momentum in Leadership
35:35 – Aligning with Prophetic Priorities
37:10 – Customizing Efforts for Branch Needs
39:18 – Feedback and Improvement in Meetings
44:05 – The Importance of Quality Meetings

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Fellowshipping Men in Elders Quorum | An Interview with Frank Schwartz

Sat, 08 Mar 2025 08:00:48 +0000

Frank Schwartz is a husband—for nearly 24 years—and a father of three girls. He was recently released from his elders quorum presidency and has served in several bishoprics, elders quorum presidencies, high councils, high priest group leaderships and Young Men presidencies (back when those were a thing), and a variety of other callings over the years.

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Links

F3 Nation
Warrior Heart retreats
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Highlights

Frank shares his personal journey with F3, which began when he was encouraged by friends to join a workout group after facing health issues. He describes F3 as a community that not only promotes physical fitness but also fosters deep connections among men, encouraging them to support one another through challenges. The organization operates on five core principles: it is free, open to all men, conducted outdoors, peer-led, and concludes with a “circle of trust” where participants share personal struggles and support each other.

Frank highlights the parallels between F3 and church leadership, particularly in how both rely on lay leadership and the importance of influence over authority. He discusses the decentralized nature of F3, where local groups operate independently while adhering to shared values, and emphasizes the transformative power of brotherhood and accountability in personal growth. Listen for insights on how church leaders, especially elders quorum presidents, can learn from and leverage F3 to enhance fellowship and support among men in their congregations, ultimately fostering a stronger sense of community and purpose.

04:03 – Frank Schwartz’s Background
05:26 – What is F3?
07:33 – The Founding of F3
12:16 – Personal Journey to F3
16:35 – The Structure and Cadence of F3 Workouts
19:00 – Finding and Starting an F3 Group
21:30 – Leadership vs. Management in F3
25:07 – The Importance of Lay Leadership
30:14 – Starting Your Own F3 Group
36:23 – Inclusivity for All Fitness Levels
37:42 – Building Authentic Fellowship in F3

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

How I Lead as Young Women President | An Interview with Courtney Bush

Wed, 05 Mar 2025 20:15:45 +0000

Courtney Bush lives in the Utah Area, married her high school sweetheart, and together they have two kids. She graduated from Brigham Young University in Early Childhood Education and has a deep love for teaching and helping children. During her time teaching, some of her accomplishments included the Golden Apple Award and KSL Teacher Feature. Courtney currently serves as stake Young Women president. She has previously served as a Young Women president, second counselor, secretary, & advisor, as a Primary counselor, and a Relief Society teacher.

Courtney recently started an Instagram and TikTok specifically for young women, parents, and leaders, where she simply shares the doctrine of Jesus Christ. She enjoys teaching, speaking, and testifying of the Savior, especially within her own home. It’s never boring at Courtney’s house, where they have a miniature pony and a school bus, and their home is always stocked with lots of treats for the youth. She loves serving with her whole heart.

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Links

Instagram: @ywfollowjesus
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Highlights

Courtney emphasizes the need for leaders to inspire youth to take initiative and connect with their faith, ultimately preparing them for future challenges. She delves into her approach to empowering class presidencies, emphasizing the importance of youth-led initiatives and personal revelation, and shares practical strategies for helping young women develop leadership skills, such as counseling together and encouraging them to seek guidance from Heavenly Father. The conversation also touches on the significance of lesson instruction, where Courtney advocates for teaching doctrine in a relatable way, ensuring that young women feel confident in discussing and testifying about their faith.

Courtney talks about “Treat Friday,” a casual gathering she hosts for young women to connect, build relationships, and foster a sense of community. This not only serves as a fun social event but also acts as a bridge for young women to approach their bishop for guidance and support. Courtney also shares her experiences with Girls Camp, emphasizing the importance of creating opportunities for personal revelation and connection with Jesus Christ.

03:15 – Courtney’s Passion for Young Womens Leadership
04:06 – Transition from Ward to Stake Young Womens President
06:09 – Demographics and Challenges in Lehigh, Utah
09:00 – Empowering Class Presidencies
12:06 – Coaching Youth to Seek Revelation
14:39 – Training Adult Leaders in the Stake
16:37 – Workshops for Young Womens Advisors
19:22 – Collaborating with Stake Presidency
21:37 – Treat Friday: A Casual Gathering
24:08 – The Impact of Treat Friday
27:00 – Creating a Safe Space for Youth
29:10 – Principles of Effective Lesson Instruction
31:59 – Enhancing Doctrinal Understanding
34:53 – Best Practices for Girls Camp
36:55 – The Party Bus Experience
40:18 – The Importance of Community and Connection
41:39 – Creating Positive Online Content

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

What Do Men Need From Elders Quorum? | An Interview with Mark Bell

Sat, 01 Mar 2025 19:11:27 +0000

Mark Bell has over 20 years of experience as a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) and Certified Sex Addiction Therapist (CSAT), and has trained in Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT) and Accelerated Resolution Therapy (ART). Mark specializes in helping couples navigate relational and emotional intimacy challenges and much of his work is with men struggling with sexually compulsive behaviors, along with their loved ones affected by those behaviors. He focuses on healthy connections with ourselves, our God, and others in healing.

Mark holds a graduate degree in Marriage and Family Therapy from the University of Southern Mississippi and an undergraduate degree from Brigham Young University, and works at the Arizona Family Institute (AFI) where he is also the clinical director. In the Church he has served as a missionary in the Chile, Santiago North mission, a Young Men advisor, Sunday School youth teacher, high priest group leader, scoutmaster, ward clerk, elders quorum counselor, and three times as a bishopric counselor. Mark and his wife Dyan have been married 22 years and have five sons.

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Links

Arizona Family Institute
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Highlights

Mark Bell shares his insights on the current state of men’s mental health, noting a concerning epidemic of undiagnosed depression among men, which often goes unrecognized due to societal expectations that discourage vulnerability. He explains how men frequently resort to unhealthy coping mechanisms, such as pornography, as a means of escaping deeper emotional struggles. The discussion touches on the stigma surrounding these behaviors and the need for men to connect with one another in meaningful ways. Bell advocates for the creation of supportive environments, such as small group settings within church activities, where men can openly share their experiences and challenges without fear of judgment.

The episode also explores the significance of recreational activities in fostering connections among men, suggesting that engaging in shared experiences can lead to deeper bonds and healthier emotional outlets. Bell emphasizes the necessity of creating spaces where men can be both playful and serious, allowing them to express their true selves, and offers practical advice for church leaders—particularly elders quorum presidents—on how to facilitate genuine connections among members, encouraging vulnerability and open dialogue. The conversation is a call to action for men in elders quorum to seek connection and support, ultimately promoting better mental health and stronger relationships within their communities.

02:30 – Men’s Mental Health Epidemic
04:00 – Undiagnosed Depression in Men
05:30 – The Link Between Depression and Suicide
07:00 – Challenges of Masculinity
09:00 – Compartmentalization of Men’s Emotions
10:30 – Hidden Depression in Men
12:00 – Pornography as a Symptom
13:30 – The Need for Healthy Coping Mechanisms
15:00 – Stigma Around Men’s Behaviors
16:30 – The Importance of Connection Among Men
18:00 – Creating Safe Spaces for Men
19:30 – The Fist of Five Concept
21:00 – The Role of Group Therapy
22:30 – Building Connection in Elders Quorum
24:00 – The Power of Vulnerability
25:30 – Check-Ins as a Tool for Connection
27:00 – The Importance of Confidentiality
28:30 – Designing Connection Therapy in Elders Quorum
30:00 – Effective Check-In Strategies
31:30 – The Value of Recreation and Play
33:00 – Low Maintenance Needs of Men
34:30 – Balancing Doctrine and Connection

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

When Church is a Burden | An Interview with Andrea Lystrup

Thu, 27 Feb 2025 04:17:15 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in July 2021.

Andrea Lystrup is a licensed marriage and family therapist and owns a private practice—Andrea Lystrup Therapy—in Tucson, Arizona. She received her master’s degree from the University of Maryland in Couple and Family Therapy. She specializes in marriage therapy, particularly working with sexual issues, betrayal trauma, and mixed faith marriages. She has served as the stake sister support specialist for the Tucson stake, providing training to stake leaders on issues like abuse prevention and recognition of mental health struggles, as well as to advocate for sisters who need support addressing abuse in their own life. She has also served in her ward Young Women program. Andrea is mom to three boys and supports her husband in his career as a doctor in the Air Force.

Links

AndreaLystrup.com
Instagram: @dancingfordesire
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Highlights

3:00 In Andrea’s practice she meets many people who report they are feeling “spiritually worn-out”. This may happen because of mental health challenges, life struggles, a faith crisis or something else. Often they feel like they aren’t getting the same answers to prayer as others, and they wonder if there’s something wrong with themselves or everyone else.

6:00 Andrea has watched people who have left the church and those who are struggling with returning after Covid and describe how challenging it is to want to go back. Church can be like a wrestling match when managing young children. It is easier to watch from home when we don’t need to worry about how our children may be affecting those around them.

9:30 Depression or anxiety may affect your ability to feel the spirit or share a testimony. Something you hear another share at church as a great spiritual experience or healing you have not received can be triggering and difficult to process, which can make it difficult to engage with church or members. This is one way you might feel spiritually worn out.

14:00 Sharing vulnerabilities may be one way to help members who are struggling with this type of spiritual exhaustion feel like they have a place to share and belong. We often share these vulnerabilities after they are resolved, but we don’t share struggles in real time while they are happening. This real time sharing can take more courage and ultimately may be more helpful to yourself and others as you are able to connect with others who are struggling.

17:30 Covid has exacerbated these feelings in some members, because depression and anxiety are fueled by loneliness and isolation. We should look out for the likely in our congregations to make them more welcoming places. Do less offering off a talk that will solve a problem and more inviting someone to lunch or to hang out. Remember they are “person(s) to be loved”.

19:10 People who are spiritually worn out often express feelings of being unlike others or punished by God. Others in a faith crisis may decide if the gospel equation is working for everyone else and not them, the problem is either with them or the system, and many reject the system all together and leave. Instruction like don’t rehearse your doubts with other doubters can discourage these individuals who are already feeling like they don’t believe our think the same as others from reaching out when they struggle.

24:30 One way to think of how spiritually-worn-out members engage is with a trauma model: fight, flight, or freeze. A freeze mentality might look like someone who attends church for years and years but not fully participating, reading scriptures, magnifying a calling, etc. There may be afraid of making things worse and so they just don’t engage. Some who “fly” leave, often suddenly. There are some fighters who may post on social media and leave in a blaze of angry posts and others may still engage and try to fix things from the inside by making edgy out challenging comments in meetings.

29:30 It is important to understand how people are raised. Some have a “don’t throw the baby out with the bath water” mentality and others are more scrupulous and rigid in a way that can cause them to react strongly when the gospel equation doesn’t work for them. These rigid thinkers are often the backbone of a unit—cleaning the church on Saturdays and showing up to every activity. We need their loyalty and willingness to work, and so we can validate their good ideas while helping them broaden their perspective, gently.

36:00 Suggesting a break to someone struggling with spiritual exhaustion may be necessary to help them process the reasons they attend church. Instead of asking what will someone miss if they quit, in some cases it may be helpful to say, “Hey, you’re clearly struggling with this. Have you thought about taking a break?” and let them think through the reasons they do or do not want to take a break, or why they feel they can’t.

38:40 Leaders sometimes make assignments when someone expresses feeling spiritually exhausted, and this may not help. People who have been engaged with church know what it means when someone they are not close — like a ministering bother or sister — to suddenly starts coming around. It can feel like box-checking. You can ask them if there is a meaningful way they can serve. Leaders should ask themselves why they are trying to keep someone attending.

42:00 Andrea shared a personal example regarding her bougainvillea plant that froze and all the leaves fell off. Sometimes a plant may need to be printed right to the ground to grow again after being damaged. A bougainvillea that has been damaged will die if it is overwatered. Overzealous leaders may unintentionally kill a member’s testimony by overwatering.

45:50 Leaders should be mindful of the power of right now. How can I connect with you or show love for you right now? Drop worrying about the future or fixing a problem. Connect.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Reaching the Hearts of Women

Sat, 22 Feb 2025 07:55:09 +0000

This podcast is a group discussion about the Heart of a Woman retreat, a 3-day intensive experience for women of faith. The retreat provides a space for women to connect with God, other women, and themselves. It includes presentations, time for reflection, and opportunities for prayer and worship. The guests discuss their own experiences with the retreat and how it has impacted their lives. They also share insights on the importance of women’s leadership and the power of prayer.

Melanie Meszaros is a wife, mother, grandmother, certified professional coach, business manager, and avid music lover. With a master’s in Education, Melanie has spent her adult life providing women and couples with opportunities to learn and develop skills to improve their lives, their relationships, and their families. As co-founder of Heart of a Woman, Melanie is passionate about helping women develop a profound connection with God, restore their feminine heart, and rediscover who God created them to be. In the Church she has enjoyed serving in music callings, as a teacher, as a counselor in each of the women’s organizations, and as a ward and stake Relief Society president.

Kristy Willhite was baptized as a child and chose the gospel of Jesus Christ as an adult. She served for 17 years in the Primary organization in every calling except chorister. Kristy has served in Relief Society presidencies, as a Young Women president, and currently serves in her stake Young Women presidency. She loves reading, knitting, and holds a bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University-Idaho in Advanced Family History Professional Studies. Kristy and her husband James have been married 26 years and have four great kids.

Jolene Duckworth attended the October 2024 Heart of a Woman retreat and found herself forever changed by the experience. She is the mother of six and serves as the chair of the hospitality committee for BYU’s Women’s Conference, and in the Church as a Relief Society service coordinator and a temple worker. Jolene has a bachelor’s degree in Visual Arts from BYU and is the experience design director for Idylli, a leadership development company she runs with her husband, Dan Duckworth.

Links

TheHeartofaWoman.net (Use the code LEADMAY25 for a Leading Saints discount)
5 Easy Questions to Invite Anyone to Learn About the Gospel | An Interview with Murray Meszaros
The Subtle Attack of Shame on Spirituality | An Interview with James Willhite
Creating a Transformational Sunday School | An Interview with Dan Duckworth
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Highlights

Melanie, Christy, and Jolene, delve into the Heart of a Woman retreat, an interdenominational experience designed to foster deeper connections with God among women of faith. Melanie explains that the retreat offers a three-day immersive experience where women can unplug from the world, engage with the Word of God, and pray together in a supportive environment. The guests discuss the transformative power of the retreat, highlighting how it provides women with the opportunity to connect with God on a personal level. Jolene shares her own experience of attending the retreat, describing how it helped her recognize her worth and empowered her to pray with others, ultimately leading to meaningful connections and support for those in need.

Throughout the episode, the group emphasizes the significance of identity in faith, particularly for women, and how the retreat helps participants understand their intrinsic worth as children of God. They discuss the challenges women face in leadership roles within the Church and how the retreat equips them with the confidence to embrace their unique gifts. The conversation also touches on the importance of interfaith experiences, the role of worship music, and the need for rest and renewal in spiritual practices.

05:30 – Purpose of the Heart of a Woman Retreat
06:50 – Interdenominational Nature of the Retreat
08:10 – Comparison to Men’s Retreat Experience
09:30 – Importance of Adult Retreats in Faith
10:50 – Jolene’s Experience at the Retreat
12:15 – Women Seeking Rest and Refreshment
13:30 – Individual Desires and God’s Messages
15:00 – The Power of Prayer in Community
16:30 – The Importance of Silence and Reflection
18:10 – Worship Music and Its Impact
20:00 – Holy Envy and Embracing Other Faith Practices
22:00 – Identity and God’s Love for Women
24:30 – Personal Stories of Transformation
26:00 – Leadership and Identity in the Church
28:30 – The Role of Women in Leadership
30:00 – The Power of Personal Encounters
32:00 – The Impact of the Retreat on Motherhood
34:00 – Nuts and Bolts of the Retreat Experience

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

What Does a Church Leadership Training Meeting Look Like? | A How I Lead Interview with Matt Bardsley and Kimberly Perkins

Wed, 19 Feb 2025 22:31:07 +0000

Matt Bardsley grew up in Montana, and after a mission to New Jersey moved to Utah to go to school and has been there ever since. He has a bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University in Sociology and a master’s degree from Utah State University in Education. He has been a seminary teacher for 19 years, 12 of those serving as a local faculty principal where he gets to train teachers. He is a former Young Men president, elders quorum president, ward mission leader, bishopric member, high councilor, and stake Young Men president, and currently serves as first counselor in his stake Young Men presidency.

Kim Perkins is a coach with Accepted, passionate about guiding individuals on their journey to healing and fostering deep connections, and empowering them to unlock their true potential and lead fulfilling lives. Kim enjoys the great outdoors, hiking, volleyball, and embarking on exciting travel adventures with her husband and four children. She currently serves in her stake Young Women presidency.

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Training Materials

3 Targets – Activity Planning PDF
3-Month Planning Meetings PDF
Connect it to Christ PDF
Counseling Together PDF
Delegation PDF
Making Announcements – Hype Squad PDF
Pair and Share PDF
Presidency Meetings – Teeter Totter PDF
Sandbox PDF

Highlights

This dynamic discussion with Kim and Matt centers around the importance of mentorship and effective training for youth leaders. They share their experiences and insights on how to transform traditional youth leadership approaches into more impactful mentorship roles, and emphasize the significance of understanding one’s purpose, identifying youth life goals, and fostering transformational relationships rather than merely filling time during weekly activities.

Kim and Matt explain their approach to training, which includes quarterly sessions for all youth leaders and more targeted workshops for specific wards. They focus on practical skills such as effective communication, delegation, and connecting youth activities to the teachings of Jesus Christ. By observing and providing feedback in real time, they help leaders recognize their strengths and areas for improvement.

05:31 – Kim’s Experience in Youth Leadership
06:26 – Matt’s Background in Teaching Youth
07:37 – Observations on Youth Programs
08:35 – The Importance of Training in Leadership
09:56 – Origin of Formal Training Approaches
11:04 – Developing Effective Training Skills
12:09 – Interactive and Experiential Training Methods
13:48 – Training Audience and Frequency
15:03 – Observing and Supporting Ward Leaders
16:04 – Building Relationships with Leaders
17:05 – Feedback and Reflection After Observations
20:07 – Common Issues in Youth Leadership
22:53 – The Importance of Delegation Skills
24:55 – Coaching Others in Leadership Skills
27:27 – Connecting Activities to the Savior
29:25 – Practicing Skills in Training Sessions
32:02 – Engaging Youth in Leadership Training
35:10 – Summary of Effective Training Practices

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

What I Learned from Traveling with an Apostle | An Interview with Parker Walbeck

Sat, 15 Feb 2025 08:00:08 +0000

Parker Walbeck shares his journey as a millennial content creator who aims to engage both younger and older audiences with gospel messages through short, impactful videos. He emphasizes the significance of sharing simple, foundational doctrines and the power of personal testimony, noting that even small acts of sharing can have a profound impact on friends and family.

Parker is a filmmaker, social media expert, and creator of the “True Millennial” YouTube channel, where he shares his insights on using social media to share the gospel. He has worked with the Church to help improve their online presence, and speaks frequently at local church events, where he teaches others how to use these tools effectively.

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YouTube: @TrueMillennial
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Highlights

Parker recounts his experience working with Elder Neil L. Andersen of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles during a trip to the Philippines, where he documented the apostle’s ministry and interactions with local members. He describes Elder Anderson’s genuine care for individuals, his commitment to knowing names, and his reliance on the teachings of the living prophet. The episode also touches on the importance of humility and the simplicity of the gospel, as Parker reflects on how the apostles focus on basic doctrines rather than complex theological concepts. Additionally, Kurt and Parker discuss the potential for local church members to create content that shares their faith stories, suggesting that even small-scale initiatives, like ward podcasts, can foster community and strengthen testimonies. The episode concludes with a call to action for listeners to utilize their unique talents in service of the church, reinforcing the idea that everyone has a role to play in sharing the gospel.

04:07 – Overview of True Millennial Podcast
06:01 – Parker’s Journey into Content Creation
10:02 – The Concept of True Millennials
11:41 – Sharing the Gospel on Social Media
17:10 – The Importance of Influence in Small Audiences
19:02 – Parker’s Experience with Elder Anderson
25:26 – Insights from Traveling with an Apostle
29:18 – The Simplicity of Gospel Teachings
36:00 – Interviewing Elder Bednar
38:11 – Local Church Content Creation Ideas
41:00 – Engaging Stake Communication Strategies

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Getting the Youth to Do Hard Things | A How I Lead Interview with Tanner Pursley

Thu, 13 Feb 2025 05:52:42 +0000

Tanner Pursley was born and raised in Thatcher, Arizona. He served his mission in Recife, Brasil, and graduated from BYU-Idaho where he married his sweetheart Nicole. He got his Masters Degree in School Counseling from Northern Arizona University. Tanner has over six years of EFY experience and another five working as a wrangler for troubled teenagers at Arivaca Boys Ranch. He currently is serving as the bishop in his ward in Morenci, Arizona, where he developed a youth program called “I Can Do Hard Things” to help drive kids off the couch and into living life and preparing for the temple/mission. Tanner’s passions include rock climbing, scuba diving, playing Jenga with kids, losing to his bros in fantasy football, and cuddling his little daughter Cedar.

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I Can Do Hard Things Challenge (Packet)
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Highlights

Tanner shares insights from his recent initiative called the “I Can Do Hard Things Challenge.” This program, developed while he served as a counselor in the bishopric, aims to provide youth with structured goals across the four quadrants in the Children and Youth program: spiritual, social, intellectual, and physical. Tanner explains how he drew inspiration from scouting and other youth programs to create a comprehensive list of activities that encourage youth to step outside their comfort zones and engage in meaningful experiences.

Throughout the conversation, Tanner discusses the importance of parental buy-in and how the challenge has positively impacted the culture of his small ward, which previously struggled with youth engagement and missionary work. He highlights the success of the program, noting that it has led to increased participation among the youth and has even inspired similar initiatives in other organizations within the ward. The episode emphasizes the significance of celebrating achievements, as Tanner describes the award ceremony where participants receive recognition for their hard work, fostering a sense of community and accomplishment. Leadership is about empowering others to reach their potential, and Tanner’s approach serves as a practical example for other leaders looking to inspire and uplift the youth in their wards.

05:48 – Tanner’s Background and New Calling
06:59 – The “I Can Do Hard Things” Challenge
09:47 – Overview of the Youth Program and Goals
10:44 – Changing the Culture in the Ward
12:01 – Structure of the Challenge
20:49 – Breakdown of the Challenge Areas
25:07 – Physical Challenge Activities
27:51 – Social Challenge Activities
29:38 – Spiritual Challenge Activities
30:49 – Intellectual Challenge Activities
32:04 – Importance of Accountability
33:01 – Reward Ceremony and Recognition
34:27 – Encouraging Participation and Buy-In

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Addicts Have a Savior and It Isn’t You | An Interview with Emily and Danny Deaton

Sat, 08 Feb 2025 07:33:35 +0000

Danny and Emily Deaton are the founders of Living Proof Recovery Services, a company dedicated to supporting individuals and families who are navigating addiction with a loved one. They carry degrees from rival schools, the University of Utah and Brigham Young University but found common ground in their love for Jesus and the Utah Jazz. They have built a life they love together in Alpine, Utah. They love being parents to three awesome children and have served as Stake Young Single Adult leaders and Emily as a Relief Society president. Danny and Emily host the “Your Living Proof Podcast” and love speaking and sharing their message of faith in action, hope, and their love for Jesus Christ.

Links

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Your Living Proof Podcast and YouTube
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Highlights

Emily and Danny talk about the growing issues of addiction, highlighting the importance of being prepared to address these challenges and the need for resources and education. Danny recounts his experience with opioid addiction, detailing how it progressed from a seemingly manageable issue to a life-altering crisis that culminated in a near-fatal incident. He reflects on the pivotal moment when his father intervened, demonstrating the power of love and family support in the recovery process.

Emily adds her perspective, emphasizing the time required for true healing and the transformative power of the Atonement in their lives. The couple discusses the importance of understanding addiction as a family disease, where the entire family unit must engage in the recovery process. They stress that addiction often manifests as a secretive struggle, and families typically wait too long—averaging seven years—before seeking professional help. The Deatons advocate for the role of interventionists and the necessity of establishing boundaries to support loved ones in their recovery journey. They also highlight the importance of church leaders in recognizing the signs of addiction and guiding families toward appropriate resources, such as support groups and professional help.

Danny and Emily challenge the misconception that individuals must want to recover on their own before intervention can occur, arguing instead that families must take proactive steps to facilitate recovery. They discuss the need for families to learn about addiction, set boundaries, and seek help themselves, creating a supportive environment for their loved ones. Church leaders and families can utilize available resources and to understand that addiction is a complex issue that requires a collective effort for healing and recovery.

02:00 – Danny and Emily Deaton’s Background
03:00 – Danny’s Journey Through Addiction
06:00 – The Low Point of Addiction
08:00 – The Role of Family in Recovery
09:00 – The Power of the Atonement
10:00 – Transitioning to Recovery Services
12:00 – Understanding the Role of an Interventionist
13:00 – The Impact of COVID on Recovery Services
14:00 – Developing a Comprehensive Recovery Program
16:00 – The Importance of Family Support
18:00 – Recognizing the Signs of Addiction
19:00 – The Illusion of Control in Addiction
20:00 – The Need for Professional Help
22:00 – The Role of Agency in Addiction
24:00 – The Importance of Boundaries
26:00 – The Challenge of Helping Loved Ones
28:00 – The Statistics of Addiction
29:00 – The Underlying Issues of Addiction
30:00 – The Role of Church Leaders in Recovery
32:00 – The Disconnect Between Spiritual Guidance and Addiction
34:00 – The Need for Professional Intervention
36:00 – The Importance of Family Healing
37:00 – God’s Example of Boundaries
39:00 – The Role of Church Leaders in Addiction Recovery
41:00 – The Importance of Family Support Systems
42:00 – Resources Available for Families in Need

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

“God Did Not Call You So He Can Deplete You” | A How I Lead Interview with Jodi Atkinson

Thu, 06 Feb 2025 03:32:46 +0000

Jodi Atkinson was born and raised in Utah, and has lived all over the state. She went to college at Utah Tech University in St. George, Utah, and graduated with an Associates Degree in Science. That was where she met and married her husband, Brian. She then took on her next greatest educational experience as the mother of five children. The family left Utah in 2011 and has since lived in Texas, Illinois, and in the Kansas City, Missouri area for the past seven years. Another adventure awaits, and they will be moving back to St. George this summer. Jodi is excited to go back to college and pursue a degree in Art. She has had many service opportunities within the Church that have enriched her life: Young Women president and advisor, youth Sunday School teacher, Young Women camp director, Primary counselor, Seminary teacher, and stake Young Women president. Jodi currently serves as an enthusiastic Primary teacher.

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Jodi emphasizes that youth should not be viewed as problems to be solved but as solutions, advocating for a collaborative approach where youth are actively involved in decision-making through councils. She reflects on her experience, highlighting the need for innovative thinking and adaptability in youth programs and stressing that relationships matter significantly in fostering a supportive environment.

Jodi shares specific examples of how she engaged with youth, such as incorporating their ideas into activities like Young Womens camp and a trek, ensuring they felt heard and valued. Jodi also discusses the importance of ministering and being present in the lives of youth and leaders, which helped build trust and community within the stake, and shares the powerful principle that the Lord does not ask us to serve to deplete us or prove ourselves but to grow and strengthen our connections with Him and others.

05:04 – Jodi’s Experience as Stake Young Womens President
05:45 – Unique Demographics of the Shawnee Stake
06:51 – Starting the Calling During COVID
10:40 – Embracing a Clean Slate Mentality
12:27 – The Importance of Youth Councils
16:16 – Letting Youth Lead in Activities
19:43 – Specific Examples of Youth Engagement
22:10 – Trek Experience and Youth Involvement
26:06 – Building Relationships with Youth Leaders
30:01 – Habits for Fostering Relationships
34:52 – The Lord’s Purpose in Service
35:10 – Object Lesson on Leadership and Service

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

A Valid Path for LGBTQ Latter-day Saints | An Interview with Skyler Sorensen

Sat, 01 Feb 2025 18:14:39 +0000

Skyler Sorensen grew up in St. George, Utah as the fourth of eight children. He is an active Latter-day Saint who experiences same-sex attraction. He and his wife, Amanda, were married in the Provo, Utah temple in 2018. He graduated from Brigham Young University with a bachelor’s in Media Arts and currently works with the team at Scripture Central. Skyler started the podcast “Sit Down with Sky”, which has recently morphed into a YouTube series. The series is dedicated to finding and maintaining eternal truths in the conversation around LGBTQ issues. Skyler is also the author of Exclude Not Thyself: Thriving as a Covenant-Keeping, Gay Latter-day Saint, aimed at providing a faith-affirming approach to LGBTQ issues.

Skyler and Amanda have three children. Their first son, Milo, was born at 24½ weeks, and after a few weeks of battling for his life in newborn intensive care, he passed away in Amanda’s arms. They have two living daughters, Remi and Lainey, both under the age of three. Skyler’s current church calling is Gospel Doctrine teacher.

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Exclude Not Thyself: Thriving as a Covenant-Keeping Gay Latter-Day Saint
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Highlights

Skyler shares his personal journey as a gay Latter-day Saint, detailing his experiences with same-sex attraction, his decision to marry a woman in the temple, and the fulfillment he finds in his family life. Skyler shares his perspective on the labels of identity, expressing a desire to prioritize his core identity as a disciple of Jesus Christ over societal labels.

Kurt and Skyler talk about the tension church leaders face when discussing doctrines related to the eternal family, emphasizing the need for compassion while upholding the ideal of eternal marriage. Skyler highlights the importance of understanding doctrine in a way that fosters genuine relationships, even amidst disagreements about lifestyle choices. The discussion also touches on the significance of therapy and the value of seeking resources that align with one’s faith. Both Kurt and Skyler stress the importance of maintaining hope and connection, advocating for a balanced approach that recognizes the complexities of faith and identity.

02:40 – Skyler’s Journey with Same-Sex Attraction
06:00 – Navigating Identity and Labels
08:04 – The Importance of Open Communication in Relationships
09:53 – Early Experiences with Church Leaders
11:09 – Balancing Temptation and Faith
12:16 – The Role of Church Leaders in Discussing Marriage
16:14 – The Ideal of Eternal Marriage
17:26 – Addressing Criticism of Mixed Orientation Marriages
18:12 – The Importance of Seeking Validation from God
19:02 – The Desire to Share a Valid Path for LGBTQ Latter-day Saints
20:16 – The Tension Between Faith and Family
22:10 – Maintaining Relationships Amidst Differences
24:00 – Resources for Families and Individuals
29:19 – The Role of Therapy in Navigating Same-Sex Attraction
31:01 – Understanding Doctrine and Its Application
33:03 – Promoting the North Star Conference
36:06 – Validating the Path of Covenant-Keeping
39:21 – The Importance of Teaching Eternal Truths
40:56 – Finding Strength in the Temple
44:34 – Accessing Strength Through Eternal Perspective

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Unhealthy Ways We Seek Validation As Leaders | An Interview with Tony Overbay

Wed, 29 Jan 2025 08:00:38 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in February 2020.

Tony Overbay is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, a Certified Mindful Habit Coach, and the host of two award-winning mental health podcasts, “The Virtual Couch” and “Waking Up to Narcissism.” Tony also co-hosts “Love, ADHD” with author Julie Lee, where they share their experiences of receiving ADHD diagnosis as adults, and Tony co-hosts two additional podcasts, “The Mind, The Mirror, and Me,” with his daughter Mackie, and “Murder on the Couch,” a true-crime meets therapy podcast with his daughter Sydney. Tony, Mackie, and Sydney offer live relationship advice weekly on TikTok, YouTube, and Instagram. He also serves on the Leading Saints Board of Therapists.

Tony co-authored He’s A Porn Addict, Now What? An Expert and a Former Addict Answer Your Questions and works with individuals and couples on issues such as addiction, betrayal, navigating faith journeys, and people “waking up” to their own emotional immaturity/narcissistic traits and tendencies. He has online courses for couples communication and parenting, a soon-to-be-released course on navigating faith journeys, and is the creator of The Path Back, an online, faith-based pornography recovery program. You can find out more about any of Tony’s courses at https://tonyoverbay.com

Tony is a father of four children and has been married to his high school sweetheart, Wendy, for 34 years. Before becoming a therapist, he spent a decade as a software executive and wrote a weekly humor column in a regional newspaper for nearly eight years. Tony is an avid runner, having completed over 100 marathons and ultramarathons, including a dozen races of 100 miles or more.

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Highlights

This episode delves into the concept of codependency within the context of Latter-day Saint culture, where it often manifests as the “nice guy syndrome.” Kurt shares his personal experiences as a bishop, highlighting how his own struggles with codependency and the pressure to maintain a perfect image affected his leadership. Tony defines codependency as an excessive emotional reliance on others for self-worth, often leading individuals to prioritize others’ needs over their own. The conversation emphasizes the importance of acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT), which encourages individuals to accept their feelings and thoughts rather than avoid them. By focusing on personal values rather than identity, leaders can navigate their roles more effectively without succumbing to shame or self-doubt. The episode also touches on the significance of being present and acting according to one’s values, rather than getting caught up in the pressures of perfectionism.

4:01 – Understanding Codependency
5:04 – The Nice Guy Syndrome
5:50 – Personal Struggles with Codependency
6:39 – Tony Overbay’s Background
8:09 – The Role of External Validation
9:25 – Defining Codependency
10:52 – Codependency in Religious Contexts
11:42 – The Impact of Codependency on Self-Worth
13:00 – The Role of the Partner in Addiction Recovery
14:08 – The Role of External Validation
14:14 – The Importance of Individual Recovery
15:04 – The Connection Between Trauma and Codependency
16:22 – Addressing Codependency in Leadership
19:10 – Acceptance and Commitment Therapy Overview
20:49 – The Importance of Acceptance
22:40 – The Confidence Gap
24:18 – Values vs. Identity in Leadership
31:50 – The Bishop Monson Dynamic
36:36 – Systems vs. Goals in Personal Development
42:34 – Embracing Values in Leadership
50:32 – The Role of External Validation
01:02:47 – Truth, Beauty, and Goodness

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill and many more in over 800 episodes.

Overcoming Negative Church Culture | An Interview with Steven Hitz

Sun, 26 Jan 2025 14:30:35 +0000

Steve Hitz is a co-founder of Launching Leaders Worldwide, a faith-based nonprofit leadership program which helps young adults examine their lives, determine where they are now, where they want to be, and how to create their future while embracing their faith. He has founded companies, served as a young single adult bishop, and considers himself a Baby Boomer with a Millennial heart. Steve and his wife Ginger are blessed with three sons, two daughters, and eleven beloved grandchildren.

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Igniting the Holy Flame: Building Communities of Love from the Ashes of Negative Religious Culture
Launching Leaders Worldwide
Launching a Rising Generation of Leaders | An Interview with Steven Hitz and Michael Leonard
Coming Alongside Youth & Young Adults | An Interview with Steve Hitz
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Steve shares his personal journey following the loss of his son to suicide, which prompted him to explore the intersection of faith, community, and mental health. He discusses concerning statistics regarding church attendance and the challenges faced by young adults in maintaining their faith, particularly within the context of negative religious cultures that often emphasize rules and conformity over love and understanding.

Steve introduces the concepts of “fabricated fellowship” and “harmful religiosity,” explaining how these elements contribute to feelings of shame and disconnection among church members. He advocates for a shift towards authentic fellowship, where relationships are built on genuine care rather than obligation. The conversation delves into the idea of orthodoxy, contrasting “tight-fisted orthodoxy” with “open-hand orthodoxy,” and emphasizes the need for leaders to be flexible and responsive to the spiritual needs of their congregations.

Throughout the episode, Steve shares anecdotes and insights that illustrate the importance of love, mercy, and grace in religious practice. He encourages listeners to embrace a more holistic approach to worship that prioritizes personal connection and understanding over rigid adherence to rules. The episode concludes with Steve reflecting on the positive feedback he has received from readers of his book, who have found solace and inspiration in its message.

01:41 – Introduction to Igniting the Holy Flame by Steve Hitz
02:32 – The Impact of Personal Tragedy on Faith
06:04 – Statistics on Religious Attendance and Faith
09:24 – The Role of Questions in Faith
10:13 – Defining Religious Culture
12:27 – The Importance of Authentic Fellowship
13:36 – The Balance of Doctrine and Culture
15:41 – Understanding Orthodoxy: Open vs. Closed Fist
20:22 – The Role of the Holy Spirit in Leadership
23:06 – The Need for Authentic Relationships
25:06 – The Concept of Fabricated Fellowship
27:52 – Solutions for Authentic Fellowship
30:30 – The Importance of Living the Gospel
32:27 – Celebrating Individual Experiences in Faith
34:57 – Keeping the Fire of Faith Alive
36:41 – Feedback and Impact of the Book

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

How the Temple Motivates Latter-day Saints | A How I Lead Interview with Brent Holladay

Wed, 22 Jan 2025 08:11:20 +0000

Brent Holladay was recently released as temple president of the Orlando Florida Temple. He received bachelor’s and master’s degrees from Brigham Young University, and spent the last 26 years of his career working as Chief Information Officer and Chief Deputy Clerk for elected Clerks of Court in Florida.

Brent is married to Dana Vorwaller Holladay, who served alongside him as matron of the Orlando Florida Temple and as co-manager of the Orlando Bishops’ Storehouse. He has previously served a stake patriarch, stake president, counselor in the Florida Orlando Mission Presidency, bishop, high councilor, stake clerk and other callings. Brent and Dana currently teach the Valiant 10 Primary class, fondly known as the Primary Temple Preparation class, and he also serves as a ward assistant clerk—finance. They have lived in Longwood, Florida for 43 years and have eight children and 27 grandchildren.

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Brent shares his unique experience of being called as a temple president, detailing the process of selection and the responsibilities that come with the role. He discusses the refurbishment of the Orlando Temple and the management of temple workers, emphasizing the importance of creating a positive patron experience while maintaining the necessary administrative functions. Throughout the conversation, Brent recounts several poignant stories that illustrate the transformative power of the temple in the lives of individuals and families.

The discussion delves into key leadership principles, starting with the importance of loving others as the Savior does and seeking the gift of charity. Brent shares personal experiences that highlight the need for leaders to see individuals as God sees them, fostering an environment of love and support. He also emphasizes the significance of using barometers, such as the percentage of endowed members with current temple recommends, to gauge the spiritual health of congregations and encourage temple attendance.

Brent stresses the need for individuals to be grounded in the temple experience and the covenant path before and after their missions. He concludes with three essential questions that leaders should consider when planning activities, ensuring that they focus on bringing individuals closer to Jesus Christ, preparing them to make and keep covenants, and equipping them for future challenges. This episode is rich with insights and stories that will inspire you to deepen your understanding of temple service as you lead in the Church.

06:31 – Refurbishment of the Orlando Temple
07:14 – Calling as a Temple President
08:57 – Choosing Counselors for the Temple Presidency
10:05 – Setting Apart as Temple President
11:00 – Training for New Temple Presidents
12:05 – Setting Apart Process for Temple Presidents
12:21 – Familiarity with Counselors
13:40 – Responsibilities of a Temple President
14:40 – Ensuring Positive Patron Experiences
16:05 – Role of the Temple Recorder
17:29 – Number of Temple Workers
18:26 – Balancing Administration and Patron Experience
20:34 – Focus on Patron Experience
21:05 – Principle: Loving as the Savior Loves
27:58 – Principle: Barometers in Leadership
30:34 – Importance of Temple Attendance
32:29 – Temple President’s Role in State Conferences
37:06 – Transformational Nature of the Temple
38:34 – Principle: Mission vs. Saving Ordinances
44:37 – Questions for Church Activities

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

The Subtle Attack of Shame on Spirituality | An Interview with James Willhite

Sun, 19 Jan 2025 00:09:49 +0000

James Willhite is an experiential therapist, coach, and consultant. He previously worked for 20 years in finance and sales management where he found a passion for speaking and coaching, then decided to switch careers and earned a Master’s in Clinical Mental Health Counseling from Lamar University. With Steven Shields he co-founded Accepted, a collection of exclusively trained experiential guide who lead individuals, families, groups, and corporations to maximize their health and connection.

James also serves on the board of three non-profit organizations (Unashamed Unafraid, A Warrior Heart, and Heart of a Woman) and firmly believes that as we work to remove the obstacles and barriers of trauma, our true and divine identity will be uncovered at our core. He loves spending time with his wife, Kristy and with his four children.

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James talks about the complexities of shame, particularly in the context of spirituality and personal growth. Wilhite addresses issues like anxiety, depression, addiction, and trauma in his practice. He highlights the subtle yet pervasive nature of shame, often overlooked in therapeutic settings, and how it can lead individuals to hide from God and themselves.

The discussion delves into the biblical story of Adam and Eve, exploring how shame was introduced into the human experience and how it continues to affect individuals today. Wilhite explains that shame is a primary weapon used by the adversary to create distance between individuals and God, leading to feelings of inadequacy and the need to seek validation from others rather than from the divine. He emphasizes the importance of recognizing and naming shame to break free from its grip, encouraging listeners to understand their true identity as children of God.

Throughout the episode, Wilhite offers practical advice for church leaders and individuals alike, urging them to embrace the inevitability of pain, work, and uncertainty in life as opportunities for growth rather than as punishments. He underscores the significance of leaning into God’s goodness and trusting in His promises, even amidst struggles. The conversation culminates in a powerful reminder that healing is possible through understanding one’s identity and the nature of God, ultimately inviting listeners to embark on their own “shame adventure” to foster healing and connection.

03:30 – Understanding Shame in Therapy
04:50 – Common Issues in Therapy Post-COVID
06:30 – The Role of Trauma in Therapy
08:00 – Experiential Therapy vs. Talk Therapy
09:30 – Importance of Finding the Right Therapist
10:50 – The Adam and Eve Story and Shame
12:30 – The Subtlety of Shame
14:00 – Hiding from God and Its Consequences
16:30 – The Cycle of Perfectionism and Shame
18:00 – Recognizing Shame in Leadership
19:30 – God’s Nature and Our Identity
21:00 – The Importance of Self-Compassion
22:30 – The Journey of Healing from Shame
24:00 – God’s Response to Adam and Eve
26:00 – Misinterpretation of God’s Blessings
28:00 – Embracing Pain and Work as Inevitable
30:00 – Trusting God Amidst Uncertainty
32:00 – The Role of Pain in Growth
34:00 – Feeling to Heal: The Process of Therapy
36:00 – Allowing Ourselves to Feel Emotions
38:00 – Conclusion and Final Thoughts on Healing

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Establishing a Culture of Service in Relief Society | A How I Lead Interview with Kathy Santiago Allen

Fri, 17 Jan 2025 15:09:37 +0000

Kathy Santiago Allen grew up in Provo and received a degree in nursing from Brigham Young University. She loved working in women’s health and in the medical spa industry in Southern California before shifting her focus to raising five kids. Her husband’s educational pursuits took them to San Diego and Los Angeles, then to St Louis, before they settled in North Phoenix. This past June they relocated to Mapleton, Utah. Kathy has loved serving in Primary presidencies, Relief Society presidencies, as Relief Society president, and most recently as a stake Relief Society president. She currently loves serving as a Young Women advisor, and her favorite calling will always be as a ministering sister. Kathy and her husband Jared have been married for 27 years. They enjoy hiking and traveling together, and have found that counseling with one another in their callings helps them serve with an even greater capacity.

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Kathy shares valuable insights on effective leadership principles, including the significance of ministering as a way of life rather than just an assignment. She discusses the dynamics of her ward in Phoenix, characterized by a smaller membership and the need for unity and collaboration among members. Kathy recounts her efforts to foster a culture of service within her stake, utilizing the JustServe program to connect with local nonprofits and encourage members to engage in community service. She highlights the importance of expanding the circle of help, recognizing that leaders cannot do everything alone and must delegate responsibilities to others.

Kathy also shares inspiring stories of service projects that brought members together, emphasizing how serving alongside one another fosters unity and strengthens relationships. She concludes with a reminder of the importance of setting boundaries to avoid burnout and the need for leaders to discern what is truly necessary in their service.

05:27 – Moving from Phoenix to Utah: A Personal Transition
06:29 – Dynamics of a North Phoenix Ward: Challenges and Community
09:50 – Advice for Stake Relief Society Presidents During Realignment
12:46 – Training and Supporting New Relief Society Presidents
14:22 – Spiritual Preparedness: The Foundation of Leadership
24:22 – Ministering as the Answer to Challenges
30:30 – Expanding the Circle: Avoiding Burnout in Service
34:23 – Service Promotes Unity: Building a Culture of Service
42:00 – Collaborating with Nonprofits: The Joy of Service
46:52 – Balancing Service and Boundaries: Insights from President Nelson
48:06 – The Importance of Female Leadership in the Church

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Why Your Ward Needs a Podcast

Wed, 08 Jan 2025 02:36:33 +0000

There are many reasons to start a ward podcast. It allows individuals to hear the real stories of those they worship with. This naturally creates a deeper level of unity in the ward which stimulates success on many levels. In this livestreamed episode, Kurt Francom gives a rough outline of why and how a ward could develop a ward podcast.

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In this episode of the Leading Saints podcast, host Kurt Francom discusses the benefits of starting a ward podcast, emphasizing that many church leaders may not realize how valuable this tool can be for fostering community and connection within their congregations.

Kurt highlights the ease of creating a ward podcast, suggesting that it can serve as a platform for members to share their stories, thereby enhancing understanding and empathy among ward members. He shares testimonials from individuals who have successfully launched their own ward podcasts, illustrating how these initiatives have helped build relationships and preserve personal histories.

Kurt encourages listeners to keep the process simple, recommending the use of accessible technology like Zoom for recording interviews and free editing software such as Audacity. He stresses the importance of not overcomplicating the podcasting process, suggesting that even basic equipment can yield great results. He also addresses common concerns, such as the reluctance of some members to participate in interviews, and offers strategies to encourage involvement. He concludes by urging listeners to promote their podcasts within their wards and to view this endeavor as a means to strengthen community ties and share meaningful experiences.

08:43 – Purpose of a Ward Podcast
011:11 – Building Community Through Storytelling
12:14 – Benefits of Recording Ward History
14:00 – Testimonials from Ward Podcast Creators
17:32 – Keeping the Podcast Simple
19:07 – Recommended Equipment and Software
21:58 – Hosting Options for Your Podcast
24:06 – Privacy and Accessibility of the Podcast
26:10 – Interviewing Techniques and Tips
30:44 – Promoting the Ward Podcast
32:29 – Involving Youth in Podcasting

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

How I Lead Leading Saints | An Interview with Kurt Francom

Wed, 01 Jan 2025 18:16:55 +0000

Carlos L. Chacon, Jr. takes the reins to interview Kurt Francom, the founder and executive director of Leading Saints and the usual host of the podcast, as they discuss the organization’s future plans and the evolution of its content. This was originally a livestream on YouTube, December 30, 2024.

Carlos is a zealous father of five trying to balance faith and family life while making a living in IT. He served as a missionary in the Buenos Aires South Mission, where he developed a deep love for the people and culture of Argentina. As a frequent recipient of the Savior’s grace, he has also served as an early morning seminary teacher. He enjoys sharing the teachings of Jesus Christ and supporting others on the covenant path, and can eat his weight in raspberries. Carlos and his family live in Richmond, Virginia, where he currently serves as a bishop. He is a host on the SQL Data Partners Podcast.

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Kurt shares insights about upcoming events, including potential live workshops and a BYU cruise experience, emphasizing the value of in-person interactions for leadership development. As they delve into the history of Leading Saints, Kurt recounts his journey from a frustrated church leader to the founder of a nonprofit organization dedicated to enhancing leadership within the Latter-day Saint community. He reflects on the challenges of leadership, the importance of empathy, and the need for a supportive community. The episode also touches on the relationship between Leading Saints and the Church, clarifying that while they operate independently, they maintain a positive rapport with church leaders. Kurt expresses his desire to create more in-depth content, including long-form interviews and thoughtful explorations of leadership principles, while encouraging listeners to engage with the platform by sharing ideas and suggesting potential guests. The episode concludes with a call for collaboration and a reminder of the significance of leadership in establishing a supportive and thriving community within the church.

03:53 – Plans for 2025
04:25 – Upcoming Live Events
08:06 – BYU Cruise Experience
09:34 – Future Content Ideas
10:06 – Long-Form Interviews
12:50 – Exploring Leadership History
15:27 – Shifting Focus to Zion
16:20 – Engaging New Audiences
18:01 – History of Leading Saints
24:23 – Growth and Impact
25:39 – Motivation Behind Leading Saints
30:03 – Favorite Episodes and Topics
32:44 – Navigating Podcast Content
36:36 – Engaging with Potential Guests
40:38 – Relationship with the Church
44:28 – Importance of Independent Voices
45:19 – The Challenge of Providing Formulas

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

How I Lead as a YSA Branch President | An Interview with Geoff Thatcher

Fri, 20 Dec 2024 01:17:06 +0000

Geoff Thatcher is an experienced creative leader who takes projects from concept to reality. He is the founder & chief creative officer at Creative Principals, and previously worked as a creative writer, producer, and creative director. His projects are most often about creating world-class experiences in corporate visitor centers, museums and theme parks, such as his most recent work in the College Football Hall of Fame in Atlanta. Geoff is the president of the Savannah YSA Branch in the Savannah Georgia Stake and was a guest on the podcast when he previously served as assistant director of communications in Cincinnati, Ohio.

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Geoff first shares insights from his background in experience design and public affairs, particularly focusing on the integration of artificial intelligence (AI) in enhancing visitor experiences at museums, such as the College Football Hall of Fame. He discusses the potential of AI to create personalized experiences that engage individuals in meaningful ways, while also cautioning against the risks of over-reliance on technology.

Transitioning to his role as a YSA branch president, Geoff recounts the process of establishing the branch, which stemmed from a need for young adults to have a dedicated space for worship and community. He shares the results of informal focus groups that revealed young adults’ desire for worship over programmed activities and their wish to be treated as adults rather than youth. Geoff emphasizes the importance of creating an environment where young adults feel valued and engaged, sharing stories of how the branch has grown. He highlights the significance of treating YSAs as adults, allowing them to take on responsibilities and speak about their passions during meetings, which fosters a sense of belonging and community. The episode concludes with Geoff’s reflections on the responsibility of church leaders to reach out to young adults, emphasizing that they are not lost but rather have been overlooked, and the need for leaders to actively engage and support them in their spiritual journeys.

06:10 – Geoff’s Background and Current Work
06:39 – AI in Experience Design
07:22 – AI’s Role in Museums
10:20 – The Importance of Active Engagement
12:20 – Anticipating AI’s Impact on Church Experience
20:51 – Starting a YSA Branch in Savannah
21:08 – Gathering Input from Young Single Adults
25:54 – The Impact of the YSA Branch
29:00 – Mindset Shift: Responsibility for Young Adults
32:38 – Engaging Young Adults in Family Wards
35:06 – Treating Young Adults as Adults
38:11 – Building Rapport with Young Adults
40:18 – Encouraging Passionate Talks
46:04 – Success Stories from the YSA Branch

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 700 episodes.

Part 2: Creating a Transformational Sunday School | An Interview with Dan Duckworth

Mon, 16 Dec 2024 00:05:05 +0000

Watch Part 1: Creating a Transformational Sunday School | An Interview with Dan Duckworth

Dan Duckworth is the founder and host of LeaderQuest, an elite leadership program that transforms managers and executives into dynamic changemakers. He speaks, teaches, and writes on leadership and leadership development, and provides one-on-one coaching to leaders aiming to drive transformational change. Dan has served as a board member for Leading Saints since 2019. To learn more, visit idylli.co or find Dan on LinkedIn.

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Part 1: Creating a Transformational Sunday School | An Interview with Dan Duckworth
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This is the second of a two-part podcast. The conversation continues, focusing on the transformative role of mentorship in youth leadership and the dynamics of effective Sunday school teaching. Dan shares insights on the nature of transformation in leadership. He stresses that effective teaching is not merely about mastering tactics but involves a fundamental shift in belief systems. This transformation requires educators to engage in a cycle of experimentation and reflection, challenging their preconceived notions of what it means to teach and learn. Dan illustrates this with examples from his own experiences, emphasizing the need for teachers to create an environment where students can co-create their learning experiences rather than passively consume information.

The episode delves into the concept of culture within church settings, with Dan advocating for a proactive approach to challenging and reshaping cultural norms. He encourages leaders to embrace discomfort and uncertainty as they experiment with new teaching methods, using the metaphor of pushing against the walls of culture to gather valuable insights. The discussion also touches on the importance of fostering authentic community within Sunday school classes, where trust and openness can lead to deeper engagement and meaningful dialogue.

Dan outlines practical principles for effective teaching, including the necessity of a single driving question to guide discussions and the importance of creating a safe space for students to share their thoughts and experiences. He shares a structured approach to lesson planning that prioritizes engagement and interaction, allowing for a more dynamic and impactful learning environment. Throughout the episode, Dan emphasizes the value of personal experiences and the need for teachers to be vulnerable and authentic in their interactions, ultimately aiming to facilitate a transformative experience for both educators and students alike.

02:09 – Discussion on Culture and Sunday School
03:39 – The Importance of Transformation in Leadership
04:55 – The Cycle of Experimentation and Reflection
05:43 – Challenging Belief Systems in Teaching
06:25 – The Nature of Culture and Disruption
07:28 – Building Confidence in Change
08:13 – The Role of Disruption in Teaching
09:17 – Avoiding the “Ex-Girlfriend Syndrome” in Change
10:20 – Learning from Failed Experiments
11:25 – The Role of Discernment in Leadership
12:29 – God’s Omniscience and Leadership
13:03 – Teaching as Experience Design
14:07 – The Journey of Becoming a Transformational Teacher
15:20 – The Challenge of Teaching Transformational Principles
16:25 – The Importance of Actionable Principles
17:41 – Empowering Co-Creation in the Classroom
19:04 – The Pareto Principle in Teaching
20:22 – Structuring Class Time for Engagement
21:58 – Creating Positive Tensions in Lessons
23:00 – Building Authentic Community in Class
24:36 – The Role of Icebreakers in Fostering Connection
25:52 – The Importance of a Central Theme in Teaching
27:41 – Framing Questions to Drive Discussion
29:34 – The Balance of Preparation and Flexibility
31:01 – Engaging with Personal Experiences in Teaching
32:56 – The Risk of Addressing Tension in Lessons

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 700 episodes.

Showing Up in the Lives of Those You Lead | A How I Lead Interview with Kent Jordan

Thu, 12 Dec 2024 00:59:57 +0000

Kent Jordan was recently released as stake president from the Wilmington, Delaware Stake. He has previously served as a high councilor, in bishoprics and elders quorum presidencies, and as an early-morning Seminary teacher. Kent currently teaches elders quorum and is looking forward to retirement and meeting four new grandbabies in 2025.

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Kent offers insights into organizing stake conferences, emphasizing the importance of prayer and collaboration with his counselors and the stake council to determine the needs of the members. He highlights the significance of after-general conference discussions to align teachings with the needs of the stake. Kent shares key leadership principles that guided him during his time as stake president, starting with the importance of loving and respecting the people within his stewardship. He recounts the profound experience of seeing members through the Savior’s eyes, which deepened his connection to them.

Kent also discusses the value of personal priesthood interviews with leaders, emphasizing the importance of showing up in their lives and ministering together. He shares how these interactions fostered a sense of community and support among the leaders. Additionally, he reflects on the welfare efforts within the stake, noting the diverse approaches of bishops and the importance of trusting them to handle their responsibilities. Kent concludes by discussing the blessings he witnessed among the saints, encouraging the sharing of their experiences to build faith within the community.

04:45 – Reflections on Nine Years as Stake President
05:59 – Reorienting After Leadership
06:32 – Overview of the Stake’s Geographic Layout
07:36 – Prior Leadership Experience Before Stake Presidency
08:13 – Organizing Stake Conferences
09:17 – Insights on Stake Conference Planning
10:37 – Involving Stake Council in Conference Discussions
12:54 – Principle of Love and Respect in Leadership
13:39 – The Story of Kent’s Calling as Stake President
16:30 – Learning from the Experience of Leadership
17:54 – Finding Footing in the New Calling
19:22 – Focus on Reaping and Rescuing
21:06 – Interaction with Bishops on Welfare Efforts
22:34 – Trusting Bishops in Their Responsibilities
24:01 – Encouragement for Bishops and Relief Society Presidents
25:12 – Importance of Personal Interviews
27:07 – Strategies for Effective Personal Interviews
30:00 – Building Faith Through Sharing Experiences
32:03 – Future Plans After Stake Presidency

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Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 700 episodes.

Part 1: Creating a Transformational Sunday School | An Interview with Dan Duckworth

Sat, 07 Dec 2024 08:00:47 +0000

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The True Purpose of Sunday School
Why Testimony is Not the Only Goal for Latter-day Youth—Part 1 | A Presentation by Dan Duckworth
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From Aspirational Principles to Practical Principles
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This is the first of a two-part podcast conversation. Kurt and Dan explore the challenges faced by local leaders in adapting to changes in church programs, particularly in Sunday School and ministering. They critique the tendency to revert to traditional methods rather than embracing innovative approaches that align with The Church’s evolving directives. Drawing on scriptural examples, they illustrate the need for leaders to actively engage in creating a culture that supports spiritual growth and community building. Dan emphasizes the importance of understanding the unique characteristics of Sunday School, including the nature of its membership, the role of teachers, and the communal aspect of spiritual development.

Throughout the episode, they advocate for a shift from knowledge transfer to transformational teaching, encouraging leaders to experiment with new methods that foster engagement and personal growth. By redefining the purpose of Sunday School and embracing a more dynamic, interactive approach, local leaders can create an environment where individuals feel empowered to share their spiritual journeys and support one another. The discussion ultimately serves as a call to action for leaders to embrace their roles in cultivating a vibrant, Christ-centered community that reflects the principles of the gospel.

04:45 – The Connection Between Leadership and Zion
06:15 – The Role of Culture in Leadership
07:50 – The Importance of Transformational Leadership
09:30 – The Need for Change in Church Programs
10:50 – The Allegory of the Olive Tree and Leadership
12:30 – The Natural Order of Church Gatherings
14:00 – The Role of Local Leaders in Cultural Change
15:30 – The Power of Experimentation in Teaching
17:00 – The Purpose of Sunday School
19:00 – Understanding the Unique Characteristics of Sunday School
20:30 – The Role of Membership in Sunday School
22:00 – The Teacher’s Role in Sunday School
23:30 – The Nature of Gathering in Sunday School
25:00 – The Shift from Knowledge Transfer to Transformation
27:00 – Engaging Students in a Dynamic Learning Environment
29:00 – The Importance of Energy Management in Teaching
30:30 – The Need for a Clear Purpose in Sunday School
32:00 – The Three Primary Characteristics of Sunday School
34:00 – The Individual Journey in Sunday School
36:00 – The Collective Engagement in Spiritual Development
38:00 – The Shift from Sage on the Stage to Guide on the Side
40:00 – Observations on Youth and Adult Sunday School Dynamics

Coming soon: Part 2 of this conversation

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How I Lead in the Nauvoo Pageant | An Interview with Cynthia Collier and Amy Robinson

Thu, 05 Dec 2024 17:57:38 +0000

Cynthia Collier grew up in Salt Lake City in a family that enjoyed the performing arts. She studied philosophy, English, and music at Brigham Young University, and has taught music and theater in schools. Over the past 25 years she has been involved in writing and directing live productions for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, including Savior of the World at the Conference Center Theater in Salt Lake City, and the Nauvoo and British pageants in Nauvoo, Illinois. She has served in the Church as a teacher, in various music callings, and in presidencies in wards and stakes. She most recently served with her husband as a branch minister at the University of Utah and Huntsman Hospitals in Salt Lake City. She is married to Eric Collier and is a mother and grandmother.

Amy Robinson graduated from Brigham Young University in Humanities and Modern dance, and was thrilled to be part of the BYU International Folk dance team and Modern Dance team. She believes her greatest educational opportunities came from touring with those companies to many amazing places including China, India, and Europe. This may be where she gained her nomadic spirit—she and her husband Nathan have moved 27 times in 20 years of marriage! In London, England, in 2013, Amy had the opportunity to create the choreography for the first British Pageant. It was a life-changing experience to see the miracles that came to the participants of that show and audience. In 2015, Amy enjoyed helping set the British pageant on the Nauvoo stage and returned to help family casts learn choreography for the pageants in 2022 and 2024. She considers it her dream job to “move with joy” with the casts in England and then Nauvoo.

Amy has also been part of the Arts in Education program in Utah through Tanner Dance, teaching dancers of all ages in elementary schools, and teaches folk dance at American Heritage School in Salt Lake City. Amy and Nathan are the parents of six children and her greatest joy is time spent with them—dancing in the kitchen and singing in the car—and serving in the Church, especially with youth and children.

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Highlights

This episode focuses on the leadership and organization behind the Nauvoo Pageant, highlighting the unique structure of the pageant, which features a rotating cast of family participants who rehearse for a week and perform the following week, allowing for a diverse range of individuals to engage in the production.

Cynthia and Amy emphasize the importance of creating a joyful and supportive environment for participants, many of whom arrive feeling nervous and unsure of their abilities. The leadership style of the pageant focuses on fostering a sense of community and collaboration, where mistakes are seen as opportunities for growth rather than failures. They share inspiring stories of participants who have experienced personal miracles during their time in the pageant, illustrating the transformative power of faith and community. They also discuss the significance of teaching children and families to embrace the unpredictability of performances, highlighting the importance of love and acceptance in the rehearsal process.

As the conversation progresses, they share valuable leadership principles, such as the “good fruit principle,” which encourages individuals to focus on sharing positivity and blessings rather than complaints. This principle has been instrumental in creating a spirit of Zion among participants and volunteers. The episode concludes with practical advice for primary presidencies and leaders in church settings, emphasizing the need for patience, understanding, and a focus on the greater purpose of building relationships and fostering joy within the community.

07:29 – Guest Introductions: Amy Robinson
10:11 – Guest Introductions: Cynthia Collier
12:18 – Overview of Nauvoo Pageant Structure
15:14 – Leadership Principles in Pageant Operations
19:01 – The Role of Volunteers in the Pageant
20:31 – Pageant Presidency and Leadership Structure
22:21 – Engagement with Pageant Leadership
23:11 – Teaching Dance: “Moving with Joy”
26:47 – Creating a Joyful Environment in Rehearsals
31:03 – Miraculous Stories from the Nauvoo Pageant
35:22 – Advice for Primary Presidencies
40:03 – Keeping Ego in Check in Leadership
43:03 – The Importance of a Learning Mindset
47:18 – The Good Fruit Principle in Leadership

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Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 700 episodes.

Part 2: What About Our Culture is Holding Us Back? | An Interview with Ryan Gottfredson

Sat, 30 Nov 2024 08:00:18 +0000

Watch Part 1: What About Our Culture is Holding Us Back? | An Interview with Ryan Gottfredson

Ryan Gottfredson, Ph.D. is a cutting-edge leadership development author, researcher, and consultant. He helps organizations vertically develop their leaders primarily through a focus on mindsets. Ryan is the Wall Street Journal and USA Today best-selling author of Success Mindsets: The Key to Unlocking Greater Success in Your Life, Work, & Leadership and The Elevated Leader: Leveling Up Your Leadership Through Vertical Development. He is also a leadership professor at the College of Business and Economics at California State University-Fullerton.

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Part 1: What About Our Culture is Holding Us Back? | An Interview with Ryan Gottfredson
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Is There a Correlation Between Losing Faith and Moving? | An Interview with Ryan Gottfredson
The Research Behind Becoming Christlike | An Interview with Ryan Gottfredson
Is Your Mindset Limiting Your Leadership? | An Interview with Ryan Gottfredson
What Every Leader Should Consider About Community in Their Ward | An Interview with Ryan Gottfredson
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Highlights

This is the second of a two-part podcast conversation on effective church leadership. The discussion continues with a reflection on the value of open communication and the need for leaders to encourage their team members to express their thoughts and feelings. Ryan emphasizes the significance of establishing a culture where individuals feel safe to share their vulnerabilities, which can lead to deeper connections and trust within a group.

The conversation delves into the challenges leaders face when balancing the need to cover prescribed topics versus allowing for authentic, vulnerable discussions that may arise organically. Ryan suggests that leaders should prioritize creating conditions conducive to growth rather than merely focusing on outcomes. He explains the concept of “gardener-minded leadership,” where leaders cultivate an environment that fosters development and flourishing among their team members.

Kurt and Ryan next consider the role of ego in leadership. Ryan defines ego as the part of ourselves that prioritizes self-preservation over value creation for others. He highlights the importance of self-awareness and the need for leaders to confront their insecurities and limiting beliefs to elevate their leadership effectiveness. The episode also touches on the necessity of vulnerability in leadership, illustrating how it can lead to more meaningful relationships and a stronger sense of community.

Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their leadership styles, consider how they can create a more supportive environment, and recognize the importance of healing their relationship with themselves to become more effective leaders. The episode concludes with practical suggestions for leaders, including the importance of developing a clear purpose and fostering a culture of learning and openness. Overall, this episode serves as a valuable resource for leaders seeking to enhance their effectiveness and create a thriving community within their organizations.

02:09 – Encouraging Open Communication
02:39 – Establishing Psychological Safety
03:37 – Balancing Doctrine and Values
04:37 – Teaching Dilemmas in Church Settings
05:43 – Creating a Psychologically Safe Culture
06:36 – The Gardener Mindset in Leadership
07:16 – Continuous Improvement in Leadership
08:51 – The Challenge of Self-Preservation
11:15 – The Human Element in Leadership
11:58 – The Role of Ego in Leadership
20:18 – Redefining Ego for Value Creation
22:21 – The Importance of Vulnerability
26:30 – The Cost of Self-Preservation
29:37 – Healing Relationships for Better Leadership
31:30 – The Impact of Vulnerability on Trust
35:06 – Practical Steps for Being Vulnerable
39:17 – Creating a Supportive Environment
41:30 – Final Encouragement for Leaders

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Helping Women to See Themselves as Leaders | An Interview with Dr. Susan R. Madsen

Wed, 27 Nov 2024 08:00:43 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in April 2020.

Professor Susan R. Madsen is the Karen Haight Huntsman Endowed Professor of Leadership in the Jon M. Huntsman School of Business at Utah State University. Dr. Madsen is considered one of the top global scholars and thought leaders on the topic of women and leadership and has authored or edited nine books and published hundreds of articles, chapters, and reports. She is a well-known speaker in local, national, and international settings. She is also the founding director of the Utah Women & Leadership Project and has worked for years motivating more women in Utah to graduate from college and to lead and influence more profoundly.

At the time this was recorded, Dr. Madsen was the Orin R. Woodbury Professor of Leadership & Ethics in the Woodbury School of Business at Utah Valley University. A returned missionary, she received a bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University, master’s from Portland State University, and a doctorate from the University of Minnesota. Dr. Madsen and her husband Greg are the proud parents of four adult children and six delightful grandchildren.

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Everyday Bias, by Howard Ross
Why Gender Matters, by Leonard Sax
Let Your Life Speak, by Parker Palmer
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Highlights

5:40 Women feeling a calling or purpose in both religious and secular settings gives them more confidence

8:40 Either/or socialization for women has become powerful in Church culture over the past 60 years

11:30 Research into sister missionaries started with the purpose of learning what influences women’s goals and aspirations to become leaders in their homes and communities

13:50 What leadership skills have women developed through mission service? How do they use them now? What other opportunities do they wish they would have had?

17:50 Men are more likely than women to see themselves as leaders

19:00 Competencies and leadership skills women gain from serving a mission: public speaking, conflict management, courage, interpersonal skills, problem solving, planning organization and accountability, confidence, spiritual growth, empathy, giving and receiving feedback, grit and resilience, mentoring, teaching, critical thinking, listening, personal growth and awareness, accepting others, time management, training others, teamwork, foreign language skills, intercultural competencies, goal-setting, managing people, work ethic, serving others, taking direction, independence, patience, decision-making and judgment, standing their ground, leading by example, self-discipline, adaptability, lifelong learning

27:10 Connecting these skills to leadership for women: “We have to be leaders”

Serving a mission helps women see themselves as leaders

33:45 How can we encourage women to act with confidence in leadership roles when men are present? Increasing internal confidence and changing societal systems

Look deeply at opportunities that are available and asking, can women do this?
Creating male allies: men who are aware and desire to be more inclusive

37:00 Women are socialized to keep quiet in a group with men

38:50 Leaders who understanding the differences between men and women create more powerful action and teams

42:50 A Mission President’s wife is a leader: to develop leadership identity, women need to see other women leading

45:15 Yearning for sisters to be included in leadership and missionary training

48:15 Talking more about Mother in Heaven and recognizing a connection to her

52:30 What are returned sister missionaries currently doing to use their knowledge and skills? All of those skills apply to leadership in the family and Church roles, and they have also translated them into leadership in their careers

55:50 Women with leadership skills are not using them in the community as Church leaders have asked, serving in non-leadership roles instead

59:05 Receiving personal revelation about what God wants women to do in the world

Sheri Dew quote: “If we could unleash the full influence of covenant-keeping women, the kingdom of God would change overnight.”
President Russell M. Nelson: “The women of this dispensation are distinct from the women of any other because this dispensation is distinct from any other.”
1:02:00 Women judge each other harshly in the Church, but we need to recognize the power in our distinct differences and what God has called each woman to do

1:06:30 Serving a mission is one of the best leadership development opportunities for both men and women

1:09:30 Young women who do not serve missions should thoughtfully consider other ways they can intentionally develop leadership skills: do hard things and push yourself

Practice failing, and be kind to yourself when you fail

1:13:45 Helping young women better prepare to serve missions

It’s the reflection on experiences that teaches: learn to ask questions that guide them to discover what they learned

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Part 1: What About Our Culture is Holding Us Back? | An Interview with Ryan Gottfredson

Sat, 23 Nov 2024 23:11:03 +0000

Ryan Gottfredson, Ph.D. is a cutting-edge leadership development author, researcher, and consultant. He helps organizations vertically develop their leaders primarily through a focus on mindsets. Ryan is the Wall Street Journal and USA Today best-selling author of Success Mindsets: The Key to Unlocking Greater Success in Your Life, Work, & Leadership and The Elevated Leader: Leveling Up Your Leadership Through Vertical Development. He is also a leadership professor at the College of Business and Economics at California State University-Fullerton.

Links

Part 2: What About Our Culture is Holding Us Back? | An Interview with Ryan Gottfredson
RyanGottfredson.com
Is There a Correlation Between Losing Faith and Moving? | An Interview with Ryan Gottfredson
The Research Behind Becoming Christlike | An Interview with Ryan Gottfredson
Is Your Mindset Limiting Your Leadership? | An Interview with Ryan Gottfredson
What Every Leader Should Consider About Community in Their Ward | An Interview with Ryan Gottfredson
Ryan’s articles at leadingsaints.org
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Highlights

This is the first of a two-part podcast conversation on effective church leadership. Ryan shares his extensive experience in leadership research and consulting, highlighting the varying levels of leadership sophistication he encounters in organizations. He categorizes leaders into three levels: those focused on safety and belonging, those striving for advancement, and the most elevated leaders who prioritize contribution and value creation.

Ryan discusses the significance of establishing a clear, inspirational, and stakeholder-centric purpose within church organizations, drawing parallels to successful leaders in the corporate world. He emphasizes that a well-defined purpose can help shift focus from individual concerns to a collective mission, fostering a more engaged and vibrant community. The conversation also touches on the importance of mission and vision statements, as well as the need for clear values that guide behavior in challenging situations. Ryan suggests that church leaders should conduct a stakeholder analysis to identify key groups impacted by their leadership and to ensure that their efforts create meaningful value for these stakeholders.

Kurt and Ryan delve into the complexities of administering temple recommends, exploring the balance between behavior-focused and grace-centered discipleship. They consider the implications of current temple recommend questions and how they may inadvertently create a caste system within the church. The episode concludes with a thought-provoking examination of how church culture can either uplift or alienate members, emphasizing the need for leaders to cultivate an environment where all feel valued and included. Overall, this episode offers valuable insights for church leaders seeking to enhance their effectiveness and foster a more inclusive and purpose-driven community.

01:48 – Welcoming Ryan Gottfredson Back to the Podcast
02:30 – Discussion on Leadership Challenges in Church Settings
03:34 – Introduction to Leadership Concepts and Themes
05:15 – Ryan’s Background and Current Roles
06:14 – Consulting Relationships and Leadership Development
08:08 – Common Issues in Organizations
09:12 – Levels of Leadership Sophistication
11:09 – The Importance of Cultivating Leadership Environments
12:07 – The Role of Character Development in Leadership
13:40 – The Balance Between Behavior and Grace in Discipleship
16:16 – Temple Recommend Questions and Their Implications
20:08 – The Concept of a Caste System in Church Leadership
22:38 – The Challenge of Creating Inclusive Church Communities
23:01 – Indicators of Effective Leadership in Organizations
24:05 – The Importance of Purpose in Leadership
27:28 – Engaging Stakeholders in Leadership
30:06 – The Role of Mission and Vision in Leadership
32:08 – Stakeholder Analysis for Effective Leadership
34:02 – Distinction Between Church and Gospel Engagement
36:05 – The Need for Value Creation in Church Settings
37:09 – Establishing Clear Values in Leadership
40:06 – Dilemma-Resolving Values in Church Leadership

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Setting Missionary Goals with God | A How I Lead Interview with Christian McOmber

Thu, 21 Nov 2024 01:31:13 +0000

Christian McOmber is the founder of Missionary Universe—a non-profit organization that empowers youth to learn missionary skills early so they can support their local communities and prepare for full-time missionary service. He works in advertising as a creative director. Christian’s writing has come to life in the form of Super Bowl commercials, experiential activations, and more, for brands like Pepsi, Lexus, Burger King, and NBA 2K. At church, he has served as a ward mission leader and with the youth. Christian currently resides with his family in Los Angeles, California, the City of Angels.

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Highlights

Christian’s passion for missionary work shines through as he discusses his own experiences and the inception of Missionary Universe.

He recounts his upbringing in Seattle, where his father’s enthusiasm for missionary work inspired him. After serving a mission in Brazil, he returned home with a strong desire to continue sharing the gospel, despite facing health challenges. Christian emphasizes the importance of setting ambitious goals and maintaining momentum in missionary efforts, sharing his experience of inviting 92 people to his homecoming talk, resulting in three baptisms. The conversation shifts to practical advice for church leaders on integrating returned missionaries into ward activities, highlighting the significance of keeping them engaged in missionary work.

The episode delves into goal-setting strategies for wards, encouraging leaders to involve youth in the process. Christian shares a successful approach where he and the youth set a goal of baptizing 20 people, which they achieved through consistent outreach and support from the ward. He emphasizes the need to view goal-setting as a partnership with God, allowing for divine intervention in achieving these goals. The discussion also covers the importance of maintaining a positive mindset and learning from experiences, even if goals are not met within the initially set timeframe.

As the episode progresses, Christian shares insights on organizing community outreach events, such as “Fishers of Men” activities, where youth and ward members visit less-active members to invite them back to church. He highlights the power of youth involvement in missionary work and the impact of their enthusiasm on the entire ward. The episode concludes with Christian discussing his ongoing projects, including “Preach My Gospel on Film,” aimed at equipping youth with the skills needed for effective missionary work. He encourages listeners to share this content with youth and leaders to inspire a new generation of missionaries, reinforcing the idea that the youth are the “battalion of the Lord” and can achieve remarkable things when empowered.

04:50 – Introduction to Missionary Universe
05:43 – Christian’s Passion for Missionary Work
07:53 – Transitioning from Mission to Home Life
10:11 – Setting Lifelong Missionary Goals
12:36 – The Importance of Consistency in Missionary Work
15:38 – Tips for Church Leaders on Engaging Returned Missionaries
18:15 – Setting Goals as a Ward
20:44 – Involving Youth in Missionary Goals
23:38 – The Role of Youth in Achieving Goals
25:41 – The Taggart Approach to Visiting Less Active Members
29:31 – Expanding the Definition of Success in Goals
32:08 – The Fishers of Men Activity
36:03 – The Journey of Setting and Achieving Goals
39:31 – Balancing Personal Life and Missionary Work
40:39 – Engaging with the Community through Missionary Universe
45:00 – Resources for Youth and Leaders in Missionary Work

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 700 episodes.

The Motivation Episode: How to Motivate Those You Lead at Church

Sun, 17 Nov 2024 06:31:36 +0000

In this episode, Kurt Francom, executive director of Leading Saints, shares his thoughts on how leaders can handle the question that always seems to come up: “How can I motivate people?”

Links

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How LaVell Edwards Influenced His Team to be a Team of Leaders | An Interview With Paul Gustavson
Listening to the Stories of Those We Lead | A Live Event with Robert Ferrell
Elder Bednar: “A Conversation on Leadership”
Newsletter message: “Try this in elders quorum”
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Highlights

Traditional notions of motivation may be misguided. Kurt cites a Church training with Elder Bednar where he asserted that motivation is essentially a false concept. Motivation can only come from the inside, not from external pressures or guilt. He highlights the importance of recognizing one’s ego as a driving force in leadership and the need to create a culture of love and identity rather than relying on high expectations and shame. Kurt shares practical strategies for fostering motivation, such as building relationships, offering autonomy, and inviting community engagement. He emphasizes the significance of creating a supportive environment where individuals feel valued and connected.

Ultimately, true motivation stems from understanding one’s identity in Christ and fostering a culture of discipleship. Kurt encourages leaders to surrender their expectations and allow individuals to find their own paths to engagement, reinforcing the idea that leadership is about guiding others toward their divine potential rather than merely achieving specific metrics or goals. Leaders can embrace their roles with compassion and patience, recognizing that the journey of discipleship is a collective effort that requires understanding and support.

02:15 – Common Leadership Concerns
03:39 – Understanding Motivation Challenges
05:06 – Apathy and Engagement Post-COVID
06:20 – The Role of Ego in Leadership
08:15 – Rethinking the Problem of Motivation
09:41 – Elder Bednar’s Perspective on Motivation
10:34 – The Impact of Ego on Leadership
12:30 – The Pressure of Leadership Expectations
13:02 – The Ineffectiveness of Guilt as Motivation
14:05 – Historical Example: World War Rationing
17:53 – The Importance of Inviting Solutions
18:14 – Building Relationships Over Numbers
20:23 – High Love vs. High Expectations
21:07 – Teaching Identity as a Motivational Tool
23:04 – The Role of the Temple in Identity
24:30 – Surrendering Motivation to Christ
26:16 – The Challenge of Leadership and Ego
28:24 – Practical Steps for Leaders
30:09 – Fostering Community and Relationships
32:06 – Offering Autonomy in Leadership
33:18 – Teaching Identity and Purpose
35:39 – The Long-Term Vision for Leadership
37:28 – Conclusion and Encouragement for Leaders

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 700 episodes.

Monthly Ministering Night | A How I Lead Interview with Garth Pedersen

Thu, 14 Nov 2024 04:38:27 +0000

Garth Pedersen grew up in Elk Grove, California, and Mesa, Arizona, and served a mission to Brazil. He holds a bachelor’s degree in Accounting and is a small business owner. Garth has served as a ward clerk, Sunday School president, bishopric counselor, elders quorum president, and Primary worker (his favorite calling, along with being a dad). He and his wife have three daughters and two sons, and live in San Tan Valley, Arizona.

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Highlights

Garth Pedersen shares shares innovative approaches his elders quorum has used to improve ministering. He shares his journey in leadership over the past three years, focusing on creating a culture of ministering that avoids shame and fosters genuine relationships. Garth emphasizes the need for leaders to model ministering behaviors rather than simply assigning tasks, advocating for a supportive environment where members feel empowered to engage in meaningful connections. He outlines three key principles for effective ministering: praying for those they serve, communicating with them, and genuinely loving and serving them. Garth also addresses the challenges of ministering in today’s society, where social interactions can feel awkward and disconnected.

To combat these challenges, Garth introduced the concept of “ministering night,” held every fourth Sunday, where members are invited to visit families together. This initiative not only encourages participation but also helps build relationships in a low-pressure setting. Garth shares inspiring stories from these visits, illustrating how simple interactions can lead to meaningful connections and a renewed sense of community. He emphasizes the importance of agency, reminding listeners that while they can invite and support others, ultimately it is up to individuals to choose their paths. The episode concludes with a call to action for leaders to focus on love and service, fostering a culture of ministering that reflects the teachings of Christ.

04:39 – Garth’s Background and Current Role
06:09 – Cultural Disconnect in Ministering
07:03 – Building a Culture of No Shame
10:42 – Principles of Ministering: Overview
17:14 – Three Key Principles of Ministering
23:14 – Serving When Help is Not Obvious
27:27 – Understanding Agency in Ministering
30:20 – The Importance of Personal Experience
34:00 – Avoiding Shame in Leadership
38:03 – Strategies for Effective Ministering
42:00 – Implementing Ministering Night
47:37 – Logistics of Ministering Night Visits

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 700 episodes.

Announcement! Leadership Experience Trip

Wed, 13 Nov 2024 00:51:21 +0000

If you want to join us for the Leading Saints Experience on the BYU Cruise do the following:

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This is an experience within an experience. You will have access to all the BYU Cruise entertainment and also a unique Leading Saints experience as well (including the live podcast interview with Coach Sitake).

The Science of Speaking in Sacrament Meeting | An Interview with Stephan Taeger

Sun, 10 Nov 2024 14:15:38 +0000

Stephan Taeger is an assistant professor in Ancient Scripture at Brigham Young University. He received a PhD from BYU in Instructional Design and Technology in 2018. Stephan’s research focuses on homiletics (the study of preaching), narrative instruction, and ancient scripture. He is also an author and co-host of the RVVL podcast with David Butler.

Links

Religious Educator: “Using Elements of Narrative to Engage Students”
StephanTaeger.com
RVVL Podcast
Ears to Hear: Mini Sermons That Make You Think
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Highlights

Stephan shares insights into the art of giving talks (or sermons) within the Latter-day Saint tradition, from his academic background and teaching experience. He highlights the unique aspects of Latter-day Saint preaching, contrasting it with the more formal sermon traditions found in other Christian denominations. Stephan emphasizes the importance of storytelling in effective preaching, noting that narratives can create experiential learning opportunities for the audience, allowing them to connect with the message on a deeper level. He encourages speakers to focus on a central question and a clear message, suggesting that personal stories and scriptural examples can enhance the impact of their talks.

Throughout the episode, Stephan discusses the significance of understanding the audience’s needs and the role of the Holy Spirit in facilitating change. He advocates for a balance between using scripture and personal experiences, urging speakers to be authentic and relatable while also drawing on the teachings of living prophets. The conversation culminates in practical advice for church leaders on how to set speakers up for success, including providing clear guidance on topics and encouraging a focus on Jesus Christ. Overall, this episode serves as a valuable resource for anyone looking to improve their speaking skills and effectively communicate gospel principles in a way that resonates with their audience.

02:12 – Teaching at BYU and Engaging Non-Latter-day Saints
04:41 – Understanding Non-Latter-day Saint Classes
06:07 – PhD in Instructional Psychology and Homiletics
07:30 – The Importance of Storytelling in Teaching
08:51 – Differences in Preaching Traditions
10:12 – The Unique Nature of Latter-day Saint Talks
11:34 – Purpose of Sermons and Building Faith
12:45 – The Role of the Holy Spirit in Change
14:13 – Focus on Jesus Christ in Messages
15:11 – Analyzing Unmet Needs in the Congregation
16:49 – The Importance of Scripture and Prophetic Quotes
18:45 – Discernment vs. Compliance in Teaching
19:48 – The Role of Personal Interpretation of Scripture
22:09 – The Power of Story in Teaching
23:25 – Balancing Personal and Scriptural Stories
24:17 – The Importance of Context in Scripture
25:31 – Encouraging Personal Interpretation of Scripture
28:07 – Crafting a Clear Message for Talks
30:24 – The Role of Emotion in Effective Speaking
31:16 – Setting Up Speakers for Success
32:30 – Starting a Talk Effectively
41:00 – Conclusion and Final Thoughts on Effective Communication

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 700 episodes.

The Handbook Has One Rule | A How I Lead Interview with David Geens

Thu, 07 Nov 2024 04:48:19 +0000

David Geens is a convert of 13 years, currently serving a “five year mission” as a bishop in the Dutch-speaking region of Flanders, Belgium. He previously served as a branch missionary leader, branch presidency counselor, elders quorum president, high counselor, and national communications director. A computer engineer and entrepreneur, David is active now as a business angel. He and his wife Isabel are the parents of Laurens (21) and Lucas (19).

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Highlights

David discusses his unique calling as a bishop, which he describes as a “five-year mission” that allows him to serve while remaining at home with his family. He shares his journey to baptism, which began with his wife’s childhood fascination with the church, leading to their eventual conversion. David provides insights into the challenges and dynamics of church life in Belgium, emphasizing the secular nature of Western Europe and the difficulties of maintaining active membership.

Throughout the episode, David shares valuable leadership principles he has learned during his time as a bishop. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining a positive tone in communication, focusing on what can be done rather than what cannot. He also discusses the significance of understanding that the gospel’s two basic rules—loving God and loving one’s neighbor—should guide the interpretation of the Church’s handbook, which he views as a tool to help bring people closer to Christ. Additionally, he addresses the issue of disappointment among members, noting that many inactive members cite feelings of disappointment as a primary reason for their absence from church.

David highlights the importance of listening to members’ concerns and building trust, sharing personal anecdotes that illustrate his approach to leadership. He concludes by reflecting on how his leadership experiences have deepened his faith and understanding of Christ’s teachings, emphasizing that true leadership is rooted in service.

04:57 – David’s Background and Language Skills
05:35 – Discovering Leading Saints
06:18 – David’s Calling as Bishop
07:25 – Unique Setup of David’s Five-Year Mission
08:16 – David’s Conversion Story
10:18 – Church Dynamics in Belgium
12:35 – Cultural Differences in Discussing Religion
13:05 – David’s Approach to Sharing Faith
14:15 – Characteristics of David’s Ward
16:28 – Youth Group Dynamics in the Ward
18:25 – Church Building and Attendance
19:22 – Temple District and Upcoming Brussels Temple
20:57 – Characteristics of the Ward and Ministering
23:04 – Leadership Principle: Positive Communication
29:16 – Leadership Principle: The Gospel’s Two Basic Rules
33:01 – Leadership Principle: Avoiding Disappointment
38:08 – Final Thoughts on Leadership and Service

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Gathering Israel with the Youth | An Interview with Brad Lowder

Sat, 02 Nov 2024 06:58:20 +0000

Brad Lowder is a senior vice president at FamilySearch International. He has experience across media, marketing, advertising, and communications industries, and is an accomplished television producer and screenwriter. Prior to working for FamilySearch, Brad’s career included working in newspaper, radio, and satellite broadcasting where he produced live sporting events. He was also managing partner of two advertising agencies, chief marketing officer of a national franchise, and vice president of marketing and sales for an electronics company. Brad also owned a broadcasting company that created and produced a globally-syndicated radio program.

Brad’s church callings have included serving in a YSA Bishopric (twice), as a stake and ward Young Men president, on his stake high council, as a deacons and teachers quorum advisor, and stake director of public affairs. Brad served in the Germany Munich Mission and has a BA in Advertising from Brigham Young University. His interests include travel, cross country motorcycle trips, hiking, skiing, beekeeping, and spoiling his grandchildren. Brad is married to Marjorie Nelson Lowder and between them they have seven children and thirteen grandchildren.

Links

The Life of Sister Dantzel White Nelson | An Interview with Marjorie Nelson Lowder
FamilySearch Get Involved
Ordinances Ready
“How family stories help children weather hard times”
“The ‘Do You Know?’ 20 Questions About Family Stories”
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Highlights

Brad shares insights into his role at FamilySearch, where he focuses on engaging the rising generation in family history work. He explains how the increasing number of temples worldwide necessitates a greater effort in record acquisition and indexing to support members in their temple work.

Brad emphasizes the significance of integrating family history into the lives of youth, encouraging leaders to empower young people to take the lead in gathering Israel on both sides of the veil. He introduces practical tools such as the “Get Involved” app and the “Ordinances Ready” feature, which make it easier for youth to participate in temple work.

The episode also delves into the psychological benefits of knowing family history, citing research that shows how understanding one’s ancestry can enhance resilience and a sense of identity among youth. Brad encourages leaders to create a culture where family history is a natural part of worship and community activities, rather than a separate event. He shares strategies for incorporating family history into existing programs, making it fun and engaging for the rising generation.

The episode concludes with Brad’s enthusiasm for the potential of family history work to bless individuals and families, reinforcing the idea that this work is not just a task but a joyful and meaningful experience that connects generations.

04:11 – Personal Story: Asking for a Daughter’s Hand in Marriage
08:34 – Day Job: Senior Vice President at FamilySearch
10:06 – Impact of Temple Building on FamilySearch
12:36 – Challenges of Record Acquisition in New Temple Districts
15:14 – Introduction to the Get Involved App
17:00 – AI and FamilySearch: The Future of Genealogy
18:03 – Engaging the Rising Generation in Family History
20:10 – Starting with the Savior: The Foundation of Family History
21:38 – Using Ordinances Ready for Temple Work
22:32 – Adding What You Know: Building Your Family Tree
25:00 – The Experience of Converts in Family History
27:17 – Family Name Assist: Helping Converts Prepare for the Temple
29:10 – Integrating Family History into Church Culture
30:18 – The Importance of Family Stories for Resilience
36:12 – Making Family History a Natural Part of Worship
44:08 – Sharing Family History with Non-Members: A Personal Experience

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Helping Members Prepare for Temple Worship | An Interview with Mark Mathews

Wed, 30 Oct 2024 07:33:45 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The original episode aired in November 2019.

Mark Mathews was born in Houston, Texas. He served a mission in Guatemala and met his wife at Brigham Young University. He later earned a Ph.D. in Education from Utah State University and has been involved with Seminaries and Institutes for 20 years. Mark has been a favorite attraction teaching at BYU Education Week for many interested in learning about the temple experience.

Links

Understanding Priesthood Keys in Leadership | An Interview with Mark Mathews
ChurchofJesusChrist.org: Prepare for the House of the Lord
ChurchofJesusChrist.org: Prophetic Teachings on Temples
Seek Learning by Faith, by Elder David A. Bednar
Understanding and Embracing the Temple Endowment, by Mark Mathews
Prepared to Obtain Every Needful Thing, by Elder David A. Bednar
Holiness and the Plan of Happiness, by President Henry B. Eyring
God’s Plan for Families, by Mark Mathews
Trust in the Lord, by President Dallin H. Oaks
Spiritual Treasures, by President Russell M. Nelson
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Scriptures Referenced

The Book of Moses
Exodus 40:12-13
Doctrine and Covenants 88:74-75
Doctrine and Covenants 109:21
2 Nephi 2:25
Doctrine and Covenants 132:19
Doctrine and Covenants 131
Doctrine and Covenants 109:22

Highlights

2:50: Mark’s BYU Education Week presentation was on the temple, motivating Leading Saints to have a podcast on how best leaders can prepare members to attend the temple for the first time. How does Mark as a bishop help members have a positive first-time experience?

5:00: Members have a natural desire to better understand the temple. Early chapters in the Book of Moses are an excellent template and place to start when studying the endowment ceremony.

6:45: Experiencing the endowment by viewing the video combined with the attendance of the Holy Ghost is akin to having a vision. Joseph Smith did the same for the early saints when the endowment ceremony was acted out.

7:45: The “practical” approach of reviewing the worthiness standard, explaining what can be shared about temple clothing, is still very vague.

8:33: Elder Bednar’s talk Seek Learning by Faith: “The most important learnings of life are caught—not taught.” Speaking at or telling people what to do or how to prepare may not be fully absorbed. Providing members with materials that they can read over time and with the attendance of the Holy Ghost is far more effective in helping them “catch” and discover truth for themselves. (See “Links” section above.)

10:30: How we can better understand what leaders can say about the temple.

13:08: Quoting Elder Bednar:

“Two basic guidelines can help us achieve the proper understanding emphasized by President Benson.
“Guideline #1. Because we love the Lord, we always should speak about His holy house with reverence. We should not disclose or describe the special symbols associated with the covenants we receive in sacred temple ceremonies. Neither should we discuss the holy information that we specifically promise in the temple not to reveal.
“Guideline #2. The temple is the house of the Lord. Everything in the temple points us to our Savior, Jesus Christ. We may discuss the basic purposes of and the doctrine and principles associated with temple ordinances and covenants.”

14:40: Preventing members from feeling uncomfortable about temple worship after their initial experience. Help members understand that “the ultimate purpose of the temple endowment is to bring us into the presence of God.”

19:37: How to come into the presence of God: one must be prepared through ancient ritual, instruction, and covenant—all of which are part of the endowment ceremony.

Washing and anointing
Symbolism of “pouring”
Temple garments and other sacerdotal vestments
Covenants

Law of Obedience
Law of Sacrifice
Law of Gospel
Law of Chastity
Law of Consecration

24:39: Covenants provide us with “clean hands and a pure heart”; members are now ready for instruction.

Creation
Fall
Atonement

25:40: Study the Book of Moses.

27:15: A focus on the law of consecration: one big misunderstandings that many Latter-day Saints have: the law of consecration is much broader than the United Order: tithing, time, means, generous fast offerings, responding to church callings and assignments.

30:35: More on the covenants we make

32:23: How members experience the Plan of Salvation through the endowment ceremony, supported again by the pillars of Creation, Fall, and Atonement

36:05: Creation and Fall are relatively obvious; where is the Atonement in the temple?

38:18: Additional leadership actions that can help prepare initiates. Again: study the Book of Moses.

39:40: The creation of Adam and Eve wasn’t simply the creation of man and woman: it was the creation of marriage–they were created for each other.

40:57: Adam fell that men might be.

43:14: The role of families in the eternities, and in our temporal trials

50:32: Individuals who will not be blessed with marriage and children in this life

52:45: The endowment ceremony is not the end, but simply a step in the process.

54:00: Go back regularly.

54:48: Joseph Smith invites us to receive revelation about heaven “through the ordinances of God”. “See for yourself.”

57:25: Final encouragement for leaders preparing individuals to attend the temple for the first time

The Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Helping Youth & Adults Conquer Mortality | An Interview with Trevor Farnes

Sat, 26 Oct 2024 07:14:17 +0000

Trevor Farnes is the author of The Conquer Code and the CEO and Co-Founder of MTN OPS, an energy and nutritional product company focused on the outdoor industry, in Fruit Heights, Utah. He has a Bachelor of Science degree from Full Sail University. Trevor’s focus and mission at MTN OPS is that of improving the lives of individuals and families through transformational products and a community built to inspire individuals to conquer more in life. MTN OPS was recently recognized as one of Utah’s Fastest Growing Companies, one of Utah’s Best Places to Work, and Trevor was recognized as Utah Business CEO of the Year.

After many years of facing hunger issues themselves, Trevor and his wife Jenna founded the MTN OPS initiative, Operation Conquer Hunger, to conquer hunger within the most vulnerable households in Utah, throughout the country, and Malawi, Africa. From every MTN OPS order the company donates a meal to a child or family in need. Within just a few short years, they have donated millions of meals and are committed to conquering hunger, one order, one meal, one child at a time.

Above all, Trevor is devoted to his faith, husband to his beautiful wife of over 20 years, and the proud father to their four incredible children. He currently serves in the Church as stake Young Men president and member of his stake high council. Trevor has previously served as a bishopric counselor, ward Young Men president, Young Men advisor, ward mission leader, and in his elders quorum presidency.

Links

The Conquer Code
MTN OPS
Information about Camp Helaman
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Highlights

The discussion begins with an overview of Trevor’s leadership style, which is deeply rooted in his experiences of overcoming business failures and the importance of faith. Trevor emphasizes the significance of core values in both business and church leadership, sharing how MTN OPS has cultivated a culture of trust and connection through its core values, including the unique principle of recognizing God. He explains that these values serve as decision-making guardrails that guide the organization toward its mission of improving lives.

The conversation then shifts to the Children and Youth program of the Church, particularly focusing on the four goal quadrants: physical, spiritual, mental, and social. Trevor shares insights on how to effectively engage youth leaders in utilizing this quadrant to set meaningful goals without overwhelming the youth. He recounts a successful initiative where young men from his stake participated in a series of experiential activities designed to help them recognize their strengths and set personal goals. This approach not only fosters accountability but also creates a deeper connection between youth and their leaders.

Trevor also discusses his role as the stake Young Men president, detailing how he transformed the mission preparation process by moving it to a more engaging environment and incorporating interactive elements. By inviting returned missionaries to share their experiences and providing a supportive atmosphere, he has seen increased participation and enthusiasm among the youth. The episode concludes with Farnes encouraging leaders to live by their core values, celebrate successes, and create a culture of accountability that inspires youth to grow spiritually and personally. Overall, this episode is filled with practical ideas and inspiration for leaders looking to make a positive impact on the rising generation.

04:10 – The Conquer Code: Background and Purpose
06:09 – The Importance of Core Values in Leadership
10:03 – Building a Trustworthy Brand Culture
12:12 – Core Values as Decision-Making Guardrails
14:08 – Focusing on Core Values Monthly
20:30 – The Youth Quadrant: Engaging Youth Leaders
22:12 – Creating Meaningful Youth Experiences
29:10 – The Role of Accountability in Leadership
32:14 – Mission Preparation: Stake Young Men’s Program
35:33 – Adapting Mission Prep for Greater Engagement

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Inviting the Ward to Sing in the Choir | A How I Lead Interview with ToriAnn Perkey

Wed, 23 Oct 2024 13:35:09 +0000

ToriAnn Perkey has served as ward or stake choir director, as well as ward or stake music coordinator for most of her adult life in the Church. She has also served as a Primary counselor and a Young Women secretary.

ToriAnn earned a bachelor’s degree in Classical Studies with History and Editing minors from Brigham Young University. In addition to raising four kids and homeschooling them for their entire education, she has also owned an online recruiting company and worked as an online business manager. She is now the executive director and English program director for a private educational company that provides a la carte classes for secondary homeschool students. ToriAnn has been happily married to her husband for 27 years and lives in Orem, Utah.

Links

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Highlights

ToriAnn shares her insights and experiences in leading ward and stake choirs and emphasizes the need for effective leadership in choir settings, particularly in revitalizing choirs that may have dwindled in participation.

Throughout the episode, she outlines several key principles for successfully leading a choir. She stresses the importance of asking questions and gathering feedback from potential participants to understand their hesitations and preferences. This approach not only helps in addressing concerns but also fosters a sense of community and involvement. She advocates for proactive marketing strategies to ensure that choir activities are well-publicized and that members feel invited and excited to participate. ToriAnn also emphasizes the necessity of making participation easy and straightforward, ensuring that logistical details are well-organized to minimize barriers to attendance.

Moreover, she discusses the significance of making choir practices spiritually enriching, suggesting that each session should include moments of reflection and testimony sharing to enhance the overall experience. ToriAnn shares personal anecdotes that illustrate the profound impact choir participation can have on individuals, including fostering connections and providing a sense of belonging. The episode concludes with ToriAnn encouraging choir directors to seek inspiration and guidance from their leadership, ensuring that the choir aligns with the broader goals of the ward or stake. Overall, this episode serves as a valuable resource for choir directors and leaders, offering practical advice and heartfelt insights into the transformative power of music and community within the church.

05:37 – Tori Ann’s Background in Choir Directing
06:55 – Demographics and Dynamics of Choir in Different Areas
09:02 – Initial Challenges and Leadership Expectations
11:34 – Principle 1: Ask Questions and Get Feedback
14:10 – Importance of Feedback in Leadership
15:37 – Principle 2: Market Like Crazy
18:32 – Engaging New Members and Building Interest
20:03 – Principle 3: Make It Easy and Simple to Participate
23:14 – Reducing Barriers to Participation
23:45 – Principle 4: Make It Worth Their Time
28:15 – Creating a Spiritual Experience in Choir
30:11 – Building Relationships Through Choir
30:29 – Working with the Bishopric and Stake Presidency
35:42 – Practical Tools and Resources for Choir Directors
39:11 – The Impact of Choir Leadership
41:04 – Reflection on Leadership and Following Christ

The Leadership of Marion D. Hanks | An Interview with Richard Hanks

Sat, 19 Oct 2024 07:00:14 +0000

Rich Hanks is an author, investor, and adviser to both start-ups and established businesses. He has served as a board director of numerous profit and non-profit companies and organizations, and as a mission president in Birmingham, Alabama. His book, To Be a Friend of Christ, draws on previously unavailable primary sources—journals, correspondence, notebooks, and recordings—to share the first and only authorized biography of his father, Marion D. Hanks, who served for nearly 40 years as a General Authority.

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Rich shares personal anecdotes about his father, highlighting his early calling as a General Authority at just 31 years old and the unique challenges that came with it, including the absence of an emeritus status at the time.

Rich elaborates on Marion D. Hanks’ contributions to early morning seminary programs and the establishment of the Christus as a symbol of the Church, emphasizing his efforts to make the Church more relatable and accessible to the public. The discussion also touches on Elder Hanks’ mission presidency in England, where he worked to reform the culture of missionary work, focusing on genuine conversion rather than mere numbers. Rich recounts how his father prioritized the spiritual well-being of missionaries and the importance of service, drawing parallels to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Throughout the episode, Rich reflects on the leadership principles exemplified by his father, including the importance of being a voice for change while maintaining respect for Church authority. The conversation concludes with Rich sharing how his father’s legacy has influenced his own approach to leadership as a mission president, emphasizing the need to focus on the individuals being served rather than solely on baptism numbers. Overall, the episode provides a rich exploration of Marion D. Hanks’ life and the enduring impact of his leadership philosophy within the Church.

02:05 – Who Was Marion D. Hanks?
02:52 – Elder Hanks’ Influence and Legacy
03:42 – Rich Hanks’ Personal Connection to His Father
04:05 – Marion D. Hanks as a General Authority
05:39 – The Emeritus Status and Its Impact
07:25 – Growing Up with a General Authority Father
08:56 – Marion D. Hanks’ Teaching Innovations
10:51 – The Christus Symbol and Its Origins
12:47 – Elder Hanks as Mission President
16:55 – Addressing the Baptism Culture in England
20:55 – Leadership Principles from Elder Hanks
22:15 – The Importance of Service in Leadership
25:01 – The Dynamics of Being a General Authority
27:40 – Navigating Leadership Disagreements
30:12 – The Role of Revelation in Leadership
32:37 – The Legacy of Service and Community Engagement
39:09 – Personal Reflections on Leadership Principles
43:24 – Applying Elder Hanks’ Principles in Modern Leadership

Be Zealous About Sunday School | A How I Lead Interview with Mark Castillo

Wed, 16 Oct 2024 07:04:12 +0000

Mark Castillo was raised in Honolulu, Hawaii and baptized at age 10. He attended Brigham Young University, served a mission in Venezuela, and has had a career in business and human resources. Mark lives in Highland, Utah, with his wife and three sons, and currently serves as a Sunday School president.

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Mark emphasizes key leadership principles such as conversion, embracing one’s teaching style, and the importance of personal stories in teaching. He highlights the need for consistent effort in spiritual growth and the significance of inviting others to act on what they learn.

02:41 – Mark’s Background and Church Journey
06:39 – The “Sunday School Zealot” Nickname
09:02 – Tips for Ward Librarians
12:14 – Insights on a Typical Utah Ward
13:41 – Sunday School Structure in Highland Ward
16:07 – Teacher Council Meetings Overview
19:45 – Importance of Conversion in Leadership
24:18 – Embracing Your Teaching Style
27:21 – Choosing to Put Heavenly Father First
29:51 – Practical Tools for Teaching
31:06 – The Impact of Personal Stories in Teaching

How Does the Atonement of Jesus Christ Help Those I Lead Today? | An Interview with B.J. Allen

Sat, 12 Oct 2024 07:09:17 +0000

BJ Allen is an associate professor of Marketing at Brigham Young University. He received a bachelor’s degree from BYU and a PhD in Business Administration from University of Texas-San Antonio. He is the author of two textbooks and gives sales and marketing trainings to corporations.

BJ is also the author of the newly-released book, The Compensating Power of Christ, which is about how Jesus makes right the unfairness of life and how Christ compensates for our personal weaknesses. He lives in Provo, Utah, with his wife Angie and their six kids. He is currently serving as a bishop.

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B.J. shares his journey of exploring the Atonement of Jesus Christ, emphasizing its practical applications in daily life, particularly during difficult times. He highlights the importance of recognizing how Christ compensates for life’s unfairness, bridging the gap between the beauty of the gospel and the harsh realities of mortality.

Throughout the conversation, B.J. discusses the various ways Christ’s Atonement can be understood, including its compensating power, which helps individuals overcome personal weaknesses, compensates for the imperfections of others, and addresses the random unfairness of life. He also delves into the role of church leaders, particularly bishops, in guiding individuals through repentance, emphasizing that the Atonement is not merely about forgiveness but also about personal growth and becoming more like Heavenly Father. B.J. encourages listeners to understand that their efforts, no matter how small, are sufficient when coupled with Christ’s grace, reinforcing the idea that the Atonement is a dynamic and integral part of everyday life. He reminds us that Christ is always present, ready to help individuals navigate their challenges and find beauty in their struggles.

03:00 – The Concept of Christ’s Atonement
05:00 – B.J. Allen’s Personal Journey to Writing the Book
06:00 – Understanding the Atonement in Daily Life
08:00 – The Role of Christ in Our Imperfections
09:00 – The Importance of Compensating Power
10:00 – Addressing Faith Crises and Doubts
12:00 – The Atonement as a Concrete Concept
14:00 – Application of the Atonement in Leadership
15:00 – The Role of Witnessing in Healing
16:00 – The Paradox of Life’s Unfairness
18:00 – C.S. Lewis’s Chess Game Analogy
20:00 – Compensatory Blessings and Merciful Judgment
22:00 – The Role of Christ in Parenting
24:00 – The Importance of Faith in Difficult Times
26:00 – The Process of Repentance
28:00 – The Role of the Atonement in Repentance
30:00 – The Balance of Justice and Mercy
32:00 – The Impact of Mother’s Day Talks
34:00 – The Role of Effort in Parenting
36:00 – The Nature of Repentance and Forgiveness
38:00 – Encouragement to Move Forward After Sin
40:00 – The Role of Christ in Our Weaknesses
42:00 – Final Thoughts on the Atonement and Repentance

Motivating Your Ward to Engage in the Work | A How I Lead Interview with Jay Timms

Wed, 09 Oct 2024 07:04:30 +0000

Jay Timms is an organizational psychologist who blends over two decades of professional speaking experience with extensive hands-on executive leadership experience. Jay has provided leadership training, consulted for, and been a keynote speaker for Fortune 500 companies and improved the performance of businesses, teams, and individuals in a wide range of industries. He is an expert in engaging learners at all levels, leading them to become better leaders. Jay has served in multiple church leadership callings and currently is a bishop in Langley, British Columbia.

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This discussion centers around the complexities of motivating individuals within both organizational and church settings, particularly in volunteer-based environments where traditional incentives are absent. Jay shares his background in psychology and leadership, emphasizing the importance of understanding the values and motivations of individuals to foster engagement and productivity. He highlights the necessity of clear communication regarding organizational vision and the significance of personalizing leadership approaches to meet individuals where they are in their spiritual and personal journeys.

Throughout the conversation, Jay offers practical strategies for leaders, such as conducting regular one-on-one check-ins with members to understand their goals and how to support them. He stresses the importance of creating buy-in by involving members in decision-making processes, thereby enhancing their commitment to shared objectives. Jay also addresses the challenge of balancing church traditions with the core principles of the gospel, advocating for a focus on love and personal growth rather than guilt or comparison.

04:57 – Jay Timms’ Background and Leadership Experience
06:37 – Understanding Motivation in Leadership
10:33 – Key Factors Affecting Employee Motivation
13:31 – Steps to Discover What Drives People
15:45 – Meeting People Where They’re At
18:44 – The Importance of Personalization in Leadership
22:13 – Engaging Ward Members in Vision and Mission
25:27 – The Role of Tradition vs. Gospel
29:11 – Practical Applications of Leadership Principles
32:40 – The Importance of Not Having All the Answers
39:12 – Self-Awareness in Leadership
43:44 – Utilizing Feedback for Personal Growth

Why Your Ward Should Be Using the Ward History Tool | A How I Lead Interview with Beth Zeleny

Wed, 02 Oct 2024 07:00:50 +0000

Beth Zeleny has pretty much done whatever church callings needed to be done: teaching in Primary, Young Women, Relief Society, early morning Seminary, Gospel Doctrine, and Gospel Principles; serving in Relief Society, Primary, and Young Women ward and stake presidencies; serving as a temple ordinance worker, Relief Society compassionate service leader, and provident living specialist. Just when she thought she had done everything, she was called to be ward history specialist.

Beth has a bachelor’s degree in Education and a master’s and PhD in Geography. She taught middle school math and science before grad school, then taught geography courses in university for a few years before switching to a career in intelligence. She retired seven years ago but enjoys research, analysis, and writing so much that she would like to go back to work and do it some more.

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This discussion centers around the innovative unit history website, which simplifies the process of recording and sharing ward histories. Beth shares how the introduction of the unit history site transformed her experience as ward history specialist, making ward history engaging and accessible for all ward members.

Beth elaborates on how the website allows leaders to document experiences and activities throughout the year. This fosters a sense of community and connection, as members can share personal stories that reflect their faith journeys. Beth emphasizes the importance of capturing these narratives, highlighting various stories from her ward that showcase the diverse experiences of its members, from missionary efforts to personal testimonies.

Kurt and Beth discuss strategies for encouraging ward engagement with the history site, including proactive outreach to members. Beth shares her methods for collecting stories, such as approaching individuals after sacrament meetings and inviting them to contribute their experiences.

02:09 – Introduction to Beth Zeleny
02:43 – Beth’s Background and Calling
04:01 – The Church’s New Ward History Tool
05:18 – How the Unit History Website Works
09:39 – Accessing the Unit History Site
11:00 – Member Contributions to Ward History
12:45 – Navigating the Unit History Site
16:36 – Gathering Stories from Ward Members
20:58 – Importance of Personal Stories
23:27 – The Value of Recording Ward History
26:00 – Engagement and Participation in Ward History
30:45 – Encouraging Story Submissions
35:13 – The Impact of Sharing First Experiences
37:17 – Conclusion and Call to Action

Prioritizing Music in our Worship | An Interview with Brett Stewart

Sat, 28 Sep 2024 07:00:18 +0000

Dr. Brett Stewart is a conductor, composer, pianist, and vocalist. He has taught music to youth and adults for nearly three decades and—together with his brother—founded Millennial Choirs & Orchestras. He is also a composer-in-residence for MCO, having composed and arranged well over one hundred works for the organization, including the full-length oratorio Messiah in America, and the full-length patriotic work To Be American.

Brett received a doctorate degree in Choral Conducting with cognate studies in Composition from the University of Cincinnati College–Conservatory of Music, a master’s degree in Choral Conducting from California State University, Long Beach, and a bachelor’s degree in Piano Performance from Brigham Young University. Extremely active and busy with his family and religious life, Stewart devotes his career time exclusively to MCO and other composing projects. Brett and his wife, Mindy, are the parents of seven children and live in northeast Texas.

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Instructing and Edifying Each Other in Meetings | An Interview with DeAnna Murphy

Wed, 25 Sep 2024 08:00:33 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in March 2020.

DeAnna Murphy is a former stake Relief Society president in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and the Chief People and Culture Officer for Thrivin, with a twenty-seven-year international career as an organizational psychologist, expert learning and development practitioner, and executive coach. She is also an internationally-known keynote speaker, Top 100 Global Coaching Leader, and author.

DeAnna has shared her expertise and inspiration in many Leading Saints articles, podcasts, and events. Her personal time is joyfully spent loving and lifting her family and friends, and helping each person she meets to recognize how valuable and important they are.

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0:00:03 Introduction of DeAnna Murphy
0:00:48 Her deepest desire has just been to be a great mom; her best leadership training has come in that arena. Professionally, she’s an executive leadership coach.
0:03:44 Great leaders don’t just ask “what we are trying to accomplish?”, but also, “what is important about it?”
0:04:07 When we start a meeting establishing the purpose of the meeting, it creates power.
0:04:20 Beginning a 13-14 Sunday School class by establishing the purpose
0:05:43 “Of all the things you’re trying to accomplish with this summit, what’s the most important thing you’d hope they’d learn and they’re longing to hear?”
0:06:00 (Kurt) Hope people walk away with a deeper ability and motivation to run a meeting
0:06:50 We meet to unify. We meet to connect. We meet to multiply our resources together. D&C 43:8-9 – When we meet, we should instruct and edify one another
0:08:08 To “instruct and edify together” implies that each participant holds a piece – no one person holds all the pieces
0:11:06 Each person in a council has a unique strength and a unique perspective.
0:13:23 DeAnna’s experience with a leader having a diametrically opposed viewpoint – she might have a difficult time understanding his perspective. She sometimes had a difficult time communicating with him. It helped them to understand how the other viewed situations.
0:15:29 Feelings of self-consciousness, uncertainty, and fear led to defensiveness. Granting herself grace allowed her to grant others grace, and remove the defensiveness.
0:16:05 Citing Ether 12:27 (weakness that they may be humble); DeAnna focuses on Ether 12:37 (because you see your weakness, you’ll be made strong)
0:16:35 DeAnna’s weaknesses were not made strong by becoming like her Stake President. Instead, they learned from each other, they became stronger in each other, and were unified in the Savior.
0:19:00 Identify what is important about the meeting
0:19:18 Identify “how” we will be together: (1) There’s always room for the Savior (2) Recognize we see things differently
0:20:30 Three or four questions always help to create clarity: (1) “What are you noticing…” or “I’m noticing…” (2) “What’s important about that?” (3) “What does it mean?” (4) “Now what do we do about it” (“Why?When?How?”)
0:22:58 What do you do when you’re in a meeting and you realize that you’re not tracking what is being said? Many remain silent.
0:24:00 Feeling confusion in a meeting may be a spiritual prompting that others are confused. Consider that speaking up will likely help others in the room, not just yourself.
0:24:35 Going into meetings, agree about how we are going to “be” together. Set up ground rules for how we will conduct the meetings and participate.
0:26:17 Google experiment: The number one thing contributing to high-performing teams – cohesive and agile – was psychological safety.
0:27:17 There’s nothing more intimidating that being one of three women in a room with 15 men in their suits.
0:27:55 Fear interferes with our ability to experience oneness.
0:30:13 Confident vulnerability – the confidence that God has empowered each of us with something unique, and he’s also given us weaknesses.
0:33:30 Each person is a puzzle piece with unique strengths. If I hold my puzzle piece back, the person whose piece is adjacent to mine can’t see where to lay their piece down. Other people around me also are inclined to hold back.
0:34:05 How do I find out what my puzzle piece is? (1) Tell me about a time when you made a difference? When was it and what did you do? There’s often a pattern about how we make a difference.
0:39:05 Christ prays that his disciples may be perfect in one. The Greek word for “perfect” means “whole” or “complete.” We can become “whole” or “complete” as we are one as a council.
0:40:00 One purpose of meeting is not just to meet the needs of the people “out there,” but to lift and magnify one another in the meeting. As we magnify one another, we find the solutions to serve those we’ve been called to serve.
0:42:20 Unconditional curiosity is the antidote to judgment of self and others. When I get curious about what you mean, and what’s important about what you’re sharing, I begin to see God in you.
0:42:40 Our strengths are pieces of our Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother’s DNA in us, so as we see our strengths, we see God in each other
0:43:13 When we begin to see God in those who see things differently than us, something sacred happens
0:43:30 The Law of Sacrifice asks us: “What will I put down so that I can be fully available to love with all of my heart, might, mind, and strength?” Will I let go of my judgment? Will I let go of my belief that I’m not enough? Will I let go of my fear?
0:45:20 How do we let go of our fears and insecurities? You may ask the following questions:
0:47:11 “What’s the story I’m telling myself right now?”
0:48:50 “If you keep telling yourself this story, where will it lead you?”
0:49:23 “What would a new ending look like if I were to write a new ending to this story?”
0:50:45 “What would be one step you could take toward that new ending?”
0:56:00 How do we let go of our fear?
1:01:20 Fear and judgment hold us back from consecration.
1:01:53 Wrap up – identifying important principles
1:01:55 Principle: When people are aligned around a shared purpose and have had a chance to weight in on the purpose, it helps them come more fully to a meeting.
1:02:55 Principle: Have clear goals.
1:02:10 Principle: Pause to say how we are going to be together.
1:05:40 Meetings are just another way of ministering and loving each other the way the Savior would
1:10:10 A great meeting doesn’t start when the meeting starts. The meeting starts 6 or 7 days ago.
1:12:42 Asking the right question is powerful. Start with “What?” or “How?” or “When?” Avoid “yes” or “no” or “why?” questions.
1:13:21 If you let the person’s answer drive your next question, you will go right into their heart.
1:16:00 Final encouragement

Should Church Be Entertaining? | An Interview with Meagan Kohler

Mon, 23 Sep 2024 03:00:53 +0000

Meagan Kohler is a Latter-day Saint convert and has a double BA in Philosophy and French from Brigham Young University. She writes for the Latter-day Saint Voices column at Deseret News, but her main (and favorite) gig is taking care of her husband and four boys. Meagan has served as a secretary in the Relief Society, Young Women, and Primary, and has taught both Sunday School and Relief Society.

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From Faith Crisis to Relief Society President | A How I Lead Interview with Rebecca Woolf

Wed, 18 Sep 2024 21:38:04 +0000

Rebecca Woolf was raised in Provo, Utah, the daughter of John and Shawna Edwards, with four brothers. She met her husband Landon at Brigham Young University. After graduation they lived in four different states as Landon studied and trained to become a pediatric anesthesiologist, and Becca studied and trained to become a mother of four incredible boys. They have now settled in Spokane, Washington. Becca has served in the Church as a counselor in Primary, Young Women, and Relief Society, as a Sunday School teacher, and as a Relief Society and Young Women president.

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Becca vulnerably shares her experience as a Relief Society president in a new ward where the sisters embraced each other and she grew by striving to love as Jesus did.

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Listening to the Stories of Those We Lead | A Live Event with Robert Ferrell

Sat, 14 Sep 2024 17:50:04 +0000

Robert Ferrell recently returned from serving with his wife Lori Ann as mission leaders in the Peru Lima Central Mission. Prior to that service he was a dental surgeon/periodontist for 25 years in Ogden, Utah. He is currently a partner at [ACCEPTED], a full-service mental health clinic, and president of “Awaken”, a humanitarian foundation providing service at home and around the world for businesses, schools, families and youth.

Robert’s church leadership experience as a young single adult bishop, YSA stake president, and mission president—along with his professional careers—has given him unique experience and perspective to inspire young adults through some of the most important moments and difficult challenges of their lives. He has been a mentor/coach to thousands of young adults, a professional and inspirational speaker with over 500 presentations, and a presenter at BYU Education Week since 2017.

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Robert Ferrell discusses the importance of fostering a culture of trust and open communication, encouraging leaders to help those they work with to focus on strengths and talents rather than their weaknesses. He shares anecdotes about his interactions with missionaries, emphasizing the need for leaders to be approachable and to create an environment where it is safe to discuss struggles and failures.

Throughout the episode, Robert reflects on the significance of connecting people to Jesus Christ, advocating for a shift in focus from mere mechanics to building genuine relationships with the Savior. He urges leaders to learn from those who struggle rather than solely focusing on those who succeed. The discussion also touches on the importance of time, training, teamwork, traditions, and theology in effective leadership. Ultimately, the conversation reminds us of the need for compassion, understanding, and a focus on personal growth in both leadership and discipleship.

When Clapping Happens at Church | A How I Lead Interview with Devin Pope

Wed, 11 Sep 2024 12:53:50 +0000

Devin Pope was raised in Springville, Utah, and studied Economics at Brigham Young University before earning a PhD in Economics from University of California, Berkeley. He worked at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania and is now a professor of Behavioral Science and Economics at the University of Chicago. Devin and his wife Linda have four children and have held a variety of callings in the Church. He is currently the bishop of the Hyde Park 2nd Ward in Chicago.

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Bishop Devin Pope leads the fastest-growing and most-baptizing ward in North America, located in Southside Chicago. He discusses his experiences and innovative approaches to missionary work, particularly in a diverse and densely-populated area with over a million residents.

Devin recounts his journey from serving as a ward mission leader to becoming bishop, emphasizing the importance of community engagement through events that welcome families into the church without a proselytizing agenda. He describes various successful community events, such as movie nights, indoor carnivals, and a popular haunted house that attracts thousands of attendees each year. These events aim to create a sense of belonging and familiarity with the church, ultimately leading to increased interest in church attendance. He also addresses the challenges of retaining new converts, highlighting the need for the church to provide meaningful support and assistance to families, particularly single mothers and migrants, who often face significant struggles.

Devin emphasizes the importance of creating a welcoming environment during sacrament meetings and adapting the format to engage attendees better. He shares strategies for making church services more dynamic and inclusive, such as varying the types of talks and encouraging participation from all members, regardless of their background. The discussion culminates in a focus on the recent influx of migrants to Chicago, with Devin advocating for compassion and support for these new neighbors, regardless of political views. This conversation serves as a powerful reminder of the church’s mission to love and serve all individuals, fostering a sense of community and belonging within the church.

00:02:39 – Introduction with Bishop Devin Pope

00:04:57 – Devin’s Background and Calling

00:06:40 – Missionary Work and Community Dynamics

00:08:43 – Community Events: Engaging the Local Population

00:11:45 – Creative Community Event Ideas

00:14:40 – No Proselytizing Zone: Building Relationships

00:16:04 – Frequency and Planning of Community Events

00:17:22 – Popular Community Events: Haunted House and More

00:20:01 – Utilizing Church Facilities for Community Engagement

00:21:02 – Learning from Failed Events

00:22:10 – Involvement of Missionaries and Ward Members

00:23:56 – Budgeting for Community Events

00:24:34 – Shifting Focus to Community Outreach

00:25:29 – Organic Growth: Inviting People to Church

00:27:18 – Pizza Nights: Informal Introductions to the Church

00:29:39 – The Role of Missionaries in the Ward

00:30:00 – Retaining New Converts: Importance of Community

00:31:04 – Enhancing Sacrament Meetings for Engagement

00:34:22 – Providing Value to New Members

00:36:14 – Long-Term Welfare Support for Families

00:39:25 – Balancing Welfare Needs and Community Support

00:40:17 – Creating a Welcoming Church Environment

00:44:19 – Addressing the Needs of Migrant Families

00:45:40 – Engaging with Local Migrant Communities

Preparing Youth as Ward Missionaries | An Interview with Greg Trimble

Sat, 07 Sep 2024 19:39:00 +0000

Greg Trimble is the Founder of Lemonade Stand, an Inc. 5000 company and one of the fastest-growing digital marketing agencies in the United States. He also founded Build Then Bless®, a fintech platform that improves the world through one micro-interaction at a time, and Yalla, a team management and collaboration tool that is 100% dedicated to helping companies and organizations work better together.

Greg is an author of five books and has served on the editorial board for BYU Studies, the Board of Directors of Faith Matters, the Advisory Board for Scripture Central, the Board of Directors for Millennial Choirs & Orchestras, the Board of Directors for Gifted Music School and assists many other faith-based organizations in their various missions to improve families and strengthen faith in God. He currently serves as a bishop in his ward and as a service missionary working with the General Young Men Presidency with his wife Kristyn. Most of all, Greg enjoys spending time with his family while surfing, skiing, golfing, and playing almost every other sport imaginable.

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Greg shares his experiences over nearly four years of serving as a bishop in a Utah ward, highlighting the unique approach he has taken to engage youth in missionary work.

00:03:00 – Greg’s Background and Experience as a Bishop

00:06:00 – Insights from Four Years as a Bishop

00:08:00 – The Unique Demographics of the Ward

00:09:00 – Engaging with the Youth Program

00:10:00 – Preparing for a Typical Sunday as a Bishop

00:12:00 – Greg’s Involvement with Millennial Choirs and Orchestras

00:14:00 – The Future of Missionary Work Article

00:16:00 – Creating a Mini Mission in the Ward

00:19:00 – Benefits of Ward Missionaries

00:22:00 – Structure of the Ward Missionary Program

00:23:00 – Connection with Ministering Efforts

00:24:00 – Building Connections in the Ward

00:26:30 – Expectations for Youth in Missionary Work

00:28:00 – Long-Term Vision for Missionary Preparation

00:42:00 – The Importance of Service in Missionary Work

00:45:00 – Integrating Service Principles into the Program

00:47:00 – Conclusion and Final Thoughts on Missionary Work

From Lost in a Mine to Stake President | An Interview with Joshua Dennis

Fri, 06 Sep 2024 22:33:48 +0000

Joshua Dennis works as a designer for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on the For the Strength of Youth Magazine and the Gospel Living App. He graduated from the University of Utah with a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree in Painting and Drawing. He has served as a bishop and currently as a stake president. Josh lives in Salt Lake City, Utah with his wife Johana and their four children.

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Joshua Dennis shares his remarkable story of being lost in an abandoned mine as a young boy and miraculously found. Joshua, now serving as a stake president, reflects on the experience and the impact it has had on his life. The conversation also touches on the upcoming movie “Faith of Angels,” which portrays Joshua’s story and the miraculous events surrounding his rescue. Joshua emphasizes the importance of focusing on Jesus Christ, being the person you want others to become, and maintaining a loving and kind demeanor in leadership roles. He shares insights on the challenges and blessings of serving as a stake president, drawing on personal experiences and lessons learned from his journey.

00:06:15 – Joshua Dennis recounts being separated in the mine

00:13:20 – Reflections on his experience and the role of angels

00:19:10 – Experience of the story resurfacing

00:21:05 – How the story became a movie

00:23:40 – Where the movie title came from

00:27:05 – Sealing of the mine after his rescue

00:28:00 – Serving a mission in Honduras when his story was told in a conference talk

00:30:46 – Sharing experiences with others

00:34:30 – Service as a stake president

00:36:30 – Service in a Spanish-speaking ward in Utah

00:40:00 – Focus on Jesus Christ in leadership

00:42:10 – Be the person you want others to become

00:44:20 – When you don’t know what to do, be loving and kind

00:46:10 – Reflections on the first year as a stake president

00:51:00 – Perspective on tragedy and the absence of miracles

NFL Leadership at Church | An Interview with Taysom Hill

Sat, 31 Aug 2024 14:43:27 +0000

Taysom Hill is an American professional football utility player and quarterback for the NFL’s New Orleans Saints. He is the youngest of four children and grew up in Pocatello, Idaho, where he lettered in football, basketball, and track. Taysom served a mission to Sydney, Australia, and played college football at Brigham Young University where he was a starting quarterback. He married his wife Emily while at BYU and their family now splits their time between New Orleans and Provo, Utah.

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Taysom shares insights from his experiences in football and leadership, drawing parallels between sports and church leadership. He discusses the impact of his mission on his life, the importance of routines, and the power of belief and empowerment in leadership. Taysom reflects on his role as a captain at BYU and how he approached leadership in the locker room, emphasizing the need for consistency and resilience in challenging situations. He also highlights the significance of being genuine, available, and empowering in leadership roles, both on and off the field. Taysom’s experiences offer valuable lessons on leadership, faith, and personal development in various contexts, showcasing the importance of belief, empowerment, and consistency in effective leadership.

02:50 – Taysom Hill’s Unique Career Journey

05:25 – Taysom’s Faith Development

10:20 – Taysom’s Mission Experience

16:20 – The Importance of Routines

22:18 – Balancing Family Life and a High-Demand Career

26:54 – Taysom’s Experience as a Church Member in the NFL

30:34 – Insights on Connecting with Youth

32:28 – Impactful Leadership Lessons from NFL Coaches

39:34 – Taysom’s Experience as a Captain at BYU

42:33 – Taysom’s Leadership Approach in the Saints Locker Room

Part 2: Changing Church Culture by Gathering the Saints | Jacob Hansen and the Long Beach East Stake

Thu, 29 Aug 2024 18:29:50 +0000

In March 2024, Jacob Hansen joined us on the Leading Saints Podcast to talk about how we can combine values and people’s interests to create a great experience. He believes this is a powerful way to build Zion by creating community and human connection between the saints.

Jacob is back with a conversation about interest-based groups in the Long Beach East Stake, where they are changing the game in bringing together the Lord’s children both inside and outside the Church. In this rebroadcast of a recent Thoughtful Faith podcast, Jacob talks with leaders from that stake about what they are doing to literally gather Israel.

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Part 1: Changing Church Culture by Gathering the Saints | An Interview with Jacob Hansen
Thoughful Faith on YouTube
The original video about stake activity groups: “Could This Revolutionize The Church?”
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Jacob Hansen is back with a follow-up to his previous podcast interview about interest-based groups at Church. In this podcast episode, Jacob talks with leaders from the Long Beach East Stake and emphasizes the value of connecting individuals with similar interests to strengthen relationships and combat loneliness. The stake has successfully implemented over a dozen interest-based groups, ranging from yoga classes to scripture study groups. These groups have provided a platform for members to bond over shared passions and activities, fostering a sense of community and friendship. The stake has seen significant success in organizing these groups, with members actively participating and engaging in various activities.

The conversation highlights the grassroots approach taken by the stake leadership, allowing members to initiate and lead these groups based on their interests. The episode also addresses concerns about control and the necessity of providing a framework for organizing these activities within the Church. Overall, the podcast showcases the positive impact of interest-based groups in building relationships, promoting unity, and creating a sense of belonging within the Church community.

03:10 – Impact of interest-based groups in strengthening relationships
07:05 – Formation and success of a yoga group in the stake
10:05 – Involvement in various interest-based groups
12:40 – Organizing groups in the stake
17:04 – Importance of shared interests in building relationships
22:19 – Organizing groups through surveys and communication
26:04 – Overcoming initial hesitations to start groups
29:38 – Benefits of interest-based groups in reducing loneliness and isolation
34:07 – Encouraging grassroots initiatives for groups
36:42 – Building relationships through shared interests
40:42 – Utilizing stake resources to promote interest-based activities
44:35 – Participation and success of groups in the stake
47:24 – Balancing top-down guidance with bottom-up initiatives
50:18 – Emphasizing the importance of individual talents and interests
52:13 – Gathering saints through shared values and interests

The Ministry of Chaplains | An Interview with Tami Harris

Sun, 25 Aug 2024 01:21:47 +0000

Tami Harris is Chaplain Services Manager for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, part of Military Relations in the Church’s Priesthood and Family Department. She was the first female chaplain in the modern era of the Church. Tami is a nationally Board-certified Clinical Chaplain and has 35 years of civilian chaplaincy experience. She studied at the College of Pastoral Supervision and Psychotherapy and The Institute for Clinical Pastoral Training. Tami also earned a masters in Human Services Counseling with a specialization in Crisis Response and Trauma from Liberty University, qualified as a Clinical Pastoral Education Supervisor through ICPT, and previously served as director of spiritual health and wellness at the Heritage Community.

Tami also serves as chairperson of the Chaplain Advisory Committee for The Church, as a past-chair and member of the Utah Valley Interfaith Association, and as a member of Utah Valley University Inter-Religious Engagement Advisory Board. She and her husband are the proud parents of four children and 11 grandchildren, and live in Provo, Utah.

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Tami shares insights into the role of chaplains, emphasizing the importance of listening and empathy in providing pastoral care. She highlights the unique training and experiences chaplains bring to their work, including facilitating various religious services and supporting individuals in times of crisis. Tami also discusses the recent approval of female chaplains in the military and the historical context of chaplaincy within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. She emphasizes the value of chaplains as assets to local leaders and provides a deeper understanding of the role of chaplains and their impact on individuals in need of spiritual support.

02:04 – Introduction of Tami Harris and Military Relations
05:26 – History of Military Relations in the Church
10:19 – Role of Chaplains in the Military
15:47 – Approval of Female Chaplains in the Church
23:22 – Training and Support for Chaplains
32:24 – Advice for Bishops and Stake Presidents from a Chaplain
40:00 – Role of a Chaplain in Interfaith Settings
43:11 – Importance of Chaplains in Wards and Stakes

Navigating the Intersection of Faith and Politics | An Interview with Thomas Griffith

Wed, 21 Aug 2024 13:13:53 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in April 2021.

Judge Thomas B. Griffith is an expert in constitutional law. He has served as chief counsel for both the U.S. Senate and for Brigham Young University, and was appointed to a judgeship by George W. Bush on the Washington, D.C., Court of Appeals, from which he retired in 2020. In his church experience he has served as both a bishop and a stake president. He currently lectures on law at Harvard Law School and serves as a fellow at the Wheatley Institution at BYU, as special counsel to the international law firm of Hunton Andrews Kurth, and as senior policy advisor to the National Institute for Civil Discourse.

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A Mormon Approach to Politics, by Thomas B. Griffith
Defending Our Divinely Inspired Constitution, by President Dallin H. Oaks
Beyond Politics, by Hugh Nibley
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38.8.30 Political and Civic Activity
38.8.40 Seeking Information from Reliable Sources
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In this collaborative episode, Kurt Francom and Faith Matters co-founder Bill Turnbull talk with Thomas to explore President Oaks’ 2021 General Conference address, “Defending Our Divinely Inspired Constitution”. President Oaks spoke passionately about the U.S. Constitution and ended with an urgent admonition to end political tribalism and division, insisting that we address this in our wards and stakes. They also discuss what lies behind those divisions—the rapid erosion of goodwill and trust in the American body politic—including among Latter-day Saints. Thomas believes Latter-day Saints can and must play a critical role in healing today’s divides. Leaders especially have a role in helping ward members follow President Oaks’ counsel.

2:10 Quote from President Oaks’ talk:

“On contested issues, we should seek to moderate and unify. … There are many political issues, and no party, platform, or individual candidate can satisfy all personal preferences. Each citizen must therefore decide which issues are most important to him or her at any particular time. Then members should seek inspiration on how to exercise their influence according to their individual priorities. This process will not be easy. It may require changing party support or candidate choices, even from election to election.”

3:45 The thought never occurred to him that his political views were driven by his faith commitments Quote from President Oaks’ talk:

“Such independent actions will sometimes require voters to support candidates or political parties or platforms whose other positions they cannot approve. That is one reason we encourage our members to refrain from judging one another in political matters. We should never assert that a faithful Latter-day Saint cannot belong to a particular party or vote for a particular candidate. We teach correct principles and leave our members to choose how to prioritize and apply those principles on the issues presented from time to time. We also insist, and we ask our local leaders to insist, that political choices and affiliations not be the subject of teachings or advocacy in any of our Church meetings.”

6:40 What can leaders take away from this: How does this apply to me? How can I change and be a better disciple of Christ based on this counsel?

8:30 Rigid identification with one political party has been a long-time concern with the general leadership of the church

9:45 Polarization is complicated: we sort ourselves with like-minded people and have less interaction with people who think differently, and those interactions are increasingly hostile

11:15 Media, social media, and confirmation bias: living in an echo chamber

13:45 Be introspective and thoughtful, always questioning your own assumptions; Jesus is always challenging us

15:15 Beyond Politics: the role of politics for disciples of Christ; we need to learn how to do politics differently than the political parties do

17:00 The narratives of fear and demonizing the other

18:40 “Bishop Griffith” would quote President Oaks in a talk and instruct his ward to leave politics out of all conversations at church

21:55 Kurt’s experience in a more conservative church meeting

24:40 Political views are separate from religious views; you can have widely divergent political views and be an active member of the Church

26:10 How faith should inform our political views: the purpose of politics is to help “the least of these” 28:00 One thing a leader can do is to give permission to believe differently politically

31:30 Leaders often mistake an ability problem for a motivation problem: individuals more likely lack the skills to do what they have been asked to do

32:30 Thomas’ “ward meeting” after sacrament meeting: allowed him as the bishop to lead a discussion

34:30 We need to do the hard work to understand why other people can do/believe/think the things they do

35:40 Staying out of your echo chamber: read different sources and see what other people are thinking about; changing his religion and his own political views as an adult kept him from falling into demonizing the other

38:00 Bill’s experience with conspiracy theories about people he knows personally

41:25 Thomas’ experience working with people in Washington, D.C.

Saints with ADHD | An Interview with Rebecca Buffington

Sun, 18 Aug 2024 14:13:47 +0000

Rebecca Buffington is a credentialed ADHD coach, helping others see where Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder affects their lives and how they can create a game plan to overcome obstacles and move toward their goals. She studied at Brigham Young University and is the parent of four children—three of whom have been diagnosed with ADHD. Seeking to help her own family, Rebecca began learning more about ADHD and trained at the IACT Center in both individual and parent/family coaching. She now works to eliminate misunderstanding about this neurodevelopmental disorder and help guide others toward making lasting changes that will lead to greater success in their lives.

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The podcast episode delves into the topic of ADHD providing valuable insights into the challenges faced by individuals with this disorder, especially in a church context. The discussion highlights the impact of ADHD on executive functions, time management, and task completion. Rebecca emphasizes the importance of understanding ADHD as a neuropsychological disorder rather than a character flaw. She also addresses the need for leaders to approach individuals with ADHD with compassion, patience, and a willingness to provide support tailored to their needs. The episode underscores the significance of positive reinforcement, breaking tasks into manageable steps, and fostering a supportive environment for individuals with ADHD to thrive. Additionally, the conversation touches on the role of medication and the importance of seeking professional help when necessary. Overall, the episode offers valuable insights for leaders in understanding and supporting individuals with ADHD within a religious community.

03:32 Understanding ADHD and its Impact

06:03 Difference Between ADHD and ADD

06:40 ADHD in Adults and Children

09:10 ADHD as a Superpower and Explanation, not an Excuse

11:34 Religious Context and ADHD

13:06 Diagnosis and Importance of Diagnosis for ADHD

15:11 Medication and Treatment for ADHD

17:02 Impact of ADHD on Reverence and Behavior

19:37 ADHD in Women and Girls

22:06 Dopamine and ADHD

23:57 Executive Functions and ADHD

26:28 Approaching ADHD in Leadership Roles

Artificial Intelligence & Latter-day Saints | An Interview with Bennett Borden

Sat, 10 Aug 2024 07:00:41 +0000

Bennett Borden is a lawyer and the chief data scientist of a large international law firm. He has made significant contributions to the field of AI governance and algorithmic bias testing, has extensive experience in the U.S. intelligence community, and is a trusted AI counsel to major generative AI companies and dozens of Fortune 500 companies. Bennett is a graduate of George Mason and New York Universities, and earned his juris doctorate from Georgetown University.

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Why We Married in the Temple After 20 Years in Same-Sex Relationships | An Interview With Bennett & Becky Borden
Guiding Principles for The Church of Jesus Christ’s Use of Artificial Intelligence
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This podcast features a discussion on artificial intelligence (AI) and its impact on the faith tradition of Latter-day Saints. Guest Bennett Borden, an AI lawyer, delves into the topic and explores the transformative nature of AI, comparing it to the advent of electricity in terms of disruption and transformation.

Bennett explains the difference between classical AI and generative AI, highlighting the potential of generative AI in various applications, including education and healthcare. The conversation touches on the ethical considerations of AI, such as deep fakes, and the need for regulation to prevent misuse.

The discussion also delves into the implications of AI on content creation, creativity, and community dynamics within the church. Bennett emphasizes the importance of using AI as a tool to enhance human creativity and connection, while also being mindful of its potential negative impacts on mental health and social interactions.

00:05:30 – Overview of Artificial Intelligence

00:11:38 – Understanding Classical AI vs. Generative AI

00:17:35 – Potential Impacts of AI on Latter-day Saints

00:23:52 – Church Guidelines on Artificial Intelligence

00:26:50 – Disclosure and Responsibility in AI Content Creation

00:33:34 – Discussion on Deepfakes and Their Implications

00:38:13 – Impact of AI on Content Creation and Creativity

00:43:13 – Emphasis on Community and Human Connection in Church Experience

00:45:06 – Concerns about AI Manipulation and the Loneliness Epidemic

How I Lead as a Young Single Adult in London | An Interview with Andy Rosas

Wed, 07 Aug 2024 07:00:29 +0000

Andy Rosas was born in Argentina and at age six his family immigrated in pursuit of economic stability. They lived in Utah for five years and Italy for two years before moving to Dublin, Ireland, when he was 13. Andy also served in the France Lyon mission, and speaks English, Spanish, Italian, and French. He currently lives just outside of London, England.

Andy studied Business Studies at the University College Dublin (UCD) and has worked in IT and Cybersecurity, but currently splits his time between working as a first responder/ground crew for a small private airfield, and running a cleaning agency he helped create with a friend. He attends the Britannia YSA Ward in London’s Hyde Park Stake and has served as a YSA ward clerk, bishopric counselor, stake high councilor, and elders quorum president. He loves to pick up basketball games in London and is slowly learning to fly at the airfield.

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Andy provides insights into the Young Single Adult experience in the UK, highlighting the intimate and family-like atmosphere due to the small church community. He discusses his leadership roles in the YSA ward, emphasizing the importance of mentorship and building transformational relationships. Andy shares leadership principles and stresses the value of creating a safe and welcoming space in church, allowing individuals to share and teach in a supportive environment. He also touches on the concept of lowering expectations and focusing on building relationships rather than rigid structures in church settings. The episode concludes with a reflection on the power of giving space for others to speak and share in church settings, fostering a sense of community and connection among members.

00:03:43 – Andy Rosas’ Background and YSA Experience in the UK

00:08:35 – Andy’s Leadership Roles in the YSA Ward

00:26:36 – SPARC: Smile, Present, Admire, Represent, Christ

00:32:07 – Growing a Personality, Not Just a Testimony

00:42:24 – Let People Lead Themselves

How Can Leaders Better Talk About Sex? | An Interview with Dr. Jennifer Finlayson-Fife

Sat, 03 Aug 2024 07:00:48 +0000

Dr. Jennifer Finlayson-Fife is a Latter-day Saint relationship and sexuality coach with a Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology. Her teaching and coaching focus on helping LDS individuals and couples create greater connection and passion in their emotional and sexual relationships.

In addition to her private practice, Dr. Finlayson-Fife has created five empowering and highly-reviewed online courses. Each course was designed to give LDS individuals and couples the tools requisite to creating healthier lives and stronger intimate relationships. Dr. Finlayson-Fife also offers many workshops and retreats where she teaches these life-changing principles in person.

Dr. Finlayson-Fife is a frequent guest on LDS-themed podcasts on the subjects of sexuality, relationships, mental health, and faith. She is also the creator and host of Room for Two, a popular sex and intimacy coaching podcast.

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In this podcast, Dr. Finlayson-Fife emphasizes the importance of normalizing sexual feelings and desires, especially among youth, and highlights the need for individuals to take ownership of their sexuality in a healthy and self-authoring manner. The conversation also addresses the complexities of sexual dynamics within marriages, shedding light on the impact of societal messages and gender roles on sexual relationships. The episode explores the concept of betrayal trauma and the nuances of sexual desire and fulfillment within relationships, offering insights into navigating differences and fostering a mutually satisfying connection. Additionally, the discussion touches on the role of Church leaders in addressing sexuality and promoting a more open and understanding approach to sexual intimacy within the Latter-day Saint community.

00:05:30 – Importance of Normalizing Sexual Feelings

00:15:37 – The Role of the Church in Healthy Sexual Development

00:25:43 – Addressing Sexuality in Adulthood

00:35:49 – Betrayal Trauma and Gender Dynamics in Relationships

00:44:18 – Gender Dynamics and Expectations in Leadership

When Leadership Expectations Are Exhausting | An Interview with Aaron Osman

Wed, 31 Jul 2024 07:00:33 +0000

Aaron Osman is a leadership coach and facilitator, hailing from Tahawai, Bay of Plenty, New Zealand. He educates leaders about wellbeing and leadership principles to foster deeper thinking and insights that enhance decision-making, emotional vitality, and overall leadership capability. His joy comes from participating with a leader in their wrestle with complex issues and witnessing them grow as a result of their effort. Aaron believes true empowerment and effectiveness are achieved when people align their thinking and behavior with correct principles..

Aaron has graduate diplomas in Sport & Leisure Studies from the University of Waikato and in Digital Media from Natcoll Design Technology, and is completing a bachelors degree in Organizational Psychology from Massey University. He has served in the Church as a branch president and counselor, a stake high councilor, in a bishopric, as stake and ward Young Men president, and as a Gospel Doctrine and Primary teacher.

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In this conversation, Aaron and Kurt talk about managing expectations as leaders and the importance of surrendering to God’s will. Aaron emphasizes the need to focus on what truly matters in leadership, such as strengthening relationships with Christ, making and keeping covenants, and prioritizing time with family. He shares personal experiences as a branch president, highlighting the importance of surrendering to God’s will and trusting in His guidance. The conversation also touches on the principle of agency and accepting the consequences of others’ choices. Overall, the episode provides valuable insights on leadership, faith, and the power of surrendering to God’s will in navigating challenges and responsibilities as a leader.

00:02:18 – Introduction to Aaron Osman from New Zealand

00:09:33 – Understanding Expectations as a New Leader

00:15:24 – It Always Works Out

00:25:31 – Surrendering to God’s Will

00:34:40 – Thy Will Be Done

00:45:31 – Overcoming Overwhelm and Surrendering to God’s Will

What Type of Leader Should I Be? | An Interview with Elder Clate Mask

Sun, 28 Jul 2024 14:15:29 +0000

Clate W. Mask Jr. served in the U.S. Army Reserve before attending Brigham Young University, where he earned a bachelor’s degree in English and Spanish, then worked in construction sales in Los Angeles, California. He taught early-morning Seminary and loved it so much he chose to leave his job to work full-time for the Church Educational System. He later earned his master’s degree in education from California State University, Northridge. He helped establish Institute classes in Spanish in Arizona and Southern California and loved bringing the gospel of Jesus Christ to life for his thousands of “star students” over the years.

Elder Mask was a member of the Second Quorum of the Seventy. Prior to his call, he and his wife, Carol, were mission leaders of the Spain Barcelona Mission. Following his release as a general authority he and Carol served as president and matron of the Guatemala City Guatemala Temple. He has also served as bishop, branch president, stake Sunday School president, and high councilor. Clate and Carol are the parents of six children and 28 grandchildren and spent much of their married life in Arizona. They both served as missionaries in the Central American Mission and have a life-long love for the people and culture of Central America.

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Elder Clate Mask, emeritus general authority, shares insights and experiences from his time as a Seminary and Institute teacher and a mission president in Spain. He reflects on his journey of teaching youth and missionaries, emphasizing the importance of being true to oneself and following the guidance of the Spirit.

Elder Mask discusses his approach to teaching Seminary, focusing on inspiring youth to emulate Christ and develop a desire to serve others. He also shares anecdotes from his time as a mission president, highlighting the challenges faced by missionaries and the strategies he employed to uplift and motivate them.

Through object lessons and storytelling, Elder Mask instilled in his missionaries the importance of perseverance, optimism, and looking for the good in people, drawing parallels to the teachings of Christ and the examples set by prophets like Brigham Young, Spencer W. Kimball, Howard W. Hunter, and Joseph Smith.

By incorporating these principles into their daily lives and interactions, Elder Mask encouraged his missionaries to overcome discouragement, stay focused on their goals, and strive to become more Christlike in their actions and attitudes.

00:02:23 – Elder Mask’s Background and Career as a Seminary Teacher

00:11:11 – Call to Serve as a Mission President

00:18:30 – Leadership and Connection with Missionaries

00:26:55 – Overcoming Discouragement and Developing Christlike Attributes

00:36:43 – Teaching the Pollyanna Principle and Other Object Lessons

Involving Women in Sunday School Leadership | An Interview with Garret Shields & Monica Fell

Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:09:19 +0000

Garret Shields has a bachelor’s degree in History and a master’s degree in Religious Education, and is currently working on a Ph.D. in History, researching issues and questions related to race and the priesthood in Brazil. He works in the Church Educational System as a Seminary teacher. Garret served in the Brazil Rio de Janeiro Mission and has since served in many callings in the Church including ward mission leader, high councilor, elders quorum president, bishopric counselor, Sunday School president, and nursery leader. He currently serves as a priest quorum advisor. Garret lives in Spanish Fork, Utah, with his wife and four energetic, adorable, and amazing children.

Monica Fell has worked as a registered nurse for almost 20 years, where she has had the privilege of loving and serving in many capacities from hospital settings to home health and hospice, and working with struggling youth in group homes. At church, Monica has also served in many callings, including nursery leader, librarian, Relief Society counselor, girls camp director, Primary president, Young Women president, and currently as a Young Women 1st counselor. She served as a “teaching advisor” while Garret was Sunday School president in their ward, working alongside the presidency to support teaching both in the home and at church. Monica is a single empty nester who calls Spanish Fork home. She had the privilege of raising two boys and identical twin girls, is grateful for a son- and daughter-in-law she loves like her own, and can’t believe how much fun it is to be a “Nana” of an adorable, spirited, 3-year-old granddaughter.

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Recognizing that most gospel teaching at home and even at church in their ward was done by women, Garrett decided to include women in the Sunday School presidency. Monica, one of the teaching advisors in the presidency, highlights the success of their approach, especially in addressing the challenges faced by women in implementing Come Follow Me at home. The podcast delves into the structure of their meetings, the proactive nature of their leadership, and the emphasis on Teaching in the Savior’s Way. The dynamic and collaborative nature of their presidency meetings fostered a strong bond among the members and led to better teaching in the ward as a whole.

00:03:06 – Garret’s Background and Role as Sunday School President

00:07:40 – Monica’s Perspective on Serving in the Sunday School Presidency

00:10:19 – Structure and Dynamics of the Sunday School Presidency

00:14:10 – Importance of Being a Difference Maker in Leadership

00:19:22 – Implementation of Teacher Council Meetings for Parents

00:25:13 – Emphasizing Christ-Centered Teaching

00:29:05 – Structure of Teacher Council Meetings for Parents and Teachers

00:34:11 – Importance of Building Relationships and Camaraderie in Leadership

00:36:38 – Proactive Approach to Leadership and Ministry

How Google Helps People Join Us at Church | An Interview with Paul McHardy

Sat, 20 Jul 2024 07:00:00 +0000

Paul McHardy was raised primarily in Columbus, Ohio, and moved to Utah to earn a bachelor’s degree in Broadcast Journalism from Brigham Young University and eventually a master’s degree in Professional Communication from Weber State University. Paul has managed multiple omni-channel marketing teams (SEO, PPC, email, social, and affiliates), and has experience with branding, market research, user experience, and product development. In 2021 he took the opportunity to specialize in search engine optimization by joining Church employment as the Head of Global SEO.

Paul currently lives in Eagle Mountain, Utah, with his wife, Aleta, and three young daughters. He loves athletics, collecting trinkets, music, and BYU sports. He has served in various callings over the years, but has spent most of his adult life as either a Sunday School teacher or in a Sunday School presidency, and currently serves in his stake Sunday School presidency.

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This conversation delves into the importance of search engine optimization (SEO) in ensuring accurate and positive information about The Church is easily accessible online. Paul explains how The Church’s shift from using the term “Mormon” to has impacted their online visibility and search rankings. The conversation also explores the intricacies of local search optimization for Church buildings, including the transition from using the Angel Moroni icon to a cross icon on map listings. Paul details the challenges of managing phone numbers for Church listings and the efforts to improve data accuracy and visibility for local congregations. He also emphasizes the significance of engaging with online reviews and maintaining consistent and up-to-date information across various platforms to enhance The Church’s online presence and accessibility for individuals seeking to connect with local congregations.

00:02:07 – Discussion on SEO and Church Communication
00:17:44 – Importance of Local Search Optimization for Chapels
00:22:02 – Various Platforms for Local Listings
00:28:03 – Transition from Angel Moroni to Cross Icon on Listings
00:35:18 – Importance of Reviews and Responses for Listings
00:40:55 – Integration of Meetinghouse Locator with Local Listings

Women, Priesthood, & Church Leadership | An Interview with Barbara Morgan Gardner

Wed, 17 Jul 2024 07:00:18 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in November 2019.

Barbara Morgan Gardner is an associate professor of Church History and Doctrine at Brigham Young University, and the author of The Priesthood Power of Women. Her research interests focus primarily on women in religious leadership, international education, and religious pedagogy. She holds a master’s degree in Educational Leadership and Foundations and a PhD in Instructional Psychology, and did post-doctoral work at Harvard University. Barbara was Institute director in Boston, Massachusetts, serving more than 100 universities and colleges in the area and acting as chaplain at Harvard and MIT. She continues to serve as the chaplain-at-large in higher education for The Church, and on the BYU Interfaith Outreach Council. She and her husband, Dustin Gardner, live in Highland, Utah.

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Highlights

05:40 – Why was the book written? To help women and men understand what priesthood is.
09:25 – Barbara realized that many members and leaders didn’t separate the hierarchical structure of the priesthood and the patriarchal structure of the priesthood. She wanted to help women to understand the prophet has been asking us to learn more about the priesthood.
10:00 – Barbara became more frustrated with women who are not interested in learning about the priesthood than those who are and who may even be unhappy.
11:45 – Is this information on the priesthood power of women new, or would someone historical like David O. McKay be aware of it?
13:00 – Are we shoehorning this doctrine into today’s culture because more women are asking questions?
14:45 – Russell M. Nelson has been asking women to study and know this doctrine.
16:50 – What is the difference between the hierarchical and patriarchal structure of the priesthood?
19:10 – Why don’t we talk about the patriarchal structure of the priesthood?
21:05 – Elder and Sister Renlund’s notions of Big Earth and Little Earth priesthood ties in
23:40 – What are priesthood keys and who holds priesthood keys?
28:50 – How are keys different relating to the hierarchical and patriarchal priesthoods? Who is “in charge” in a family? What does presiding mean in a family vs the church structure? Who has keys in a temple? In a mission?
38:55 – What does it mean that keys will be revealed?
39:20 – General priesthood keys vs keys of presiding
41:15 – What priesthood keys do women have?
43:10 – What can a key holder do in a ward to highlight and enable the priesthood power and authority of women?
48:20 – List of questions that are found in the book
49:30 – Who outranks whom when men and women have disagreements at church?
50:35 – Someone has to preside, right?
53:00 – One way priesthood holders diminish authority of women in their homes
55:00 – How can we better understand and improve the revelatory process of submitting names for callings?
1:02:10 – Women of this time have been prophesied about
1:03:00 – It’s never a competition. Men can do more in partnership with women to save souls than they could alone.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, Kirby Heyborne, and many more in over 700 episodes.

What If We’re All Addicts? | An Interview with Nate & Marla Christensen

Sat, 13 Jul 2024 07:00:46 +0000

Marla and Nate Christensen are an Associate Marriage and Family Therapist and Associate Professional Clinical Counselor, respectively, working under the supervision of Tony Overbay, LMFT. They work in a private practice setting in Rocklin, California, and share various mental health topics on their podcast “Working Change”. Marla and Nate have been married for five years and have a blended family of seven children ranging in age from 25 to four years old.

Marla has a master’s degree in Clinical Psychology with an emphasis in Marriage and Family Therapy from Pepperdine University. She often works with couples, individuals, and teens. Her primary areas of focus are grief, betrayal, codependency, and life adjustments. Marla is in the Primary presidency in her ward and loves working with young people. She has served in Relief Society and Primary presidencies and taught in Sunday School, Primary, and Relief Society.

Nate has a master’s degree in counseling from Northwestern University and works primarily with adult and teen individuals. He most enjoys working with people on issues he has worked on in his life, including anxiety, depression, addiction, ADHD, codependency, and immaturity. Nate has spent several years as the facilitator for his stake’s Addiction Recovery Program (ARP) group.

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Highlights

In this podcast episode, Marla and Nate discuss the concepts of codependence and enmeshment in relationships, particularly in the context of addiction recovery. They emphasize the importance of being enmeshed with Christ rather than with other people, highlighting the need for individuals to focus on their relationship with the Savior for healing and support.

The discussion delves into the idea that the ARP is not just for addicts but can benefit anyone seeking to strengthen their connection with Jesus and find peace amidst chaos. Marla shares her personal journey of realizing the need to lean on Jesus rather than being overly dependent on her partner’s actions or behaviors.

The couple reflects on the transformative power of surrendering to the Savior and finding solace in the midst of life’s challenges. They also touch on the importance of maintaining individuality and self-care within relationships, even when faced with difficulties like addiction. Overall, the episode underscores the significance of seeking spiritual guidance and support in navigating personal struggles and relationships.

How Nate and Marla’s Journeys Led to Becoming Therapists

00:03:31 – Nate’s Background and Struggles with Mental Health
00:10:13 – Marla’s Background and Transition to College

The Importance of the Addiction Recovery Program (ARP)

00:24:21 – The Benefits of the ARP Program for Both Addicts and Partners
00:25:02 – The Role of Spiritual Leaders in Supporting ARP Participation

Understanding Codependence and Enmeshment

00:33:35 – Exploring the Concept of Codependence and Enmeshment
00:37:31 – Applying the Principles of Surrender and Enmeshment with Christ

Navigating Relationships and Dependency

00:40:13 – Marla’s Reflection on Codependency in Past Relationships
00:41:45 – Marla’s Shift in Perspective Towards Nate’s Struggles

How I Lead as Young Women President | An Interview with Emma Smith

Wed, 10 Jul 2024 17:26:17 +0000

Emma Smith’s previous church callings include serving in the nursery, Primary, Relief Society, and as a Young Women president. She currently serves as the second counselor in the Thames Valley Stake Young Women. Emma has a degree in Acting and Performing Arts, and works in infant, primary, and secondary schools delivering mental health, anti-bullying, and resilience drama workshops for a theatre company. She is a parton for the Child Bereavement UK charity, and most grateful for being a mother and raising her 9- and 14-year-old sons.

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Emma shares her experiences and insights on leadership in her local Young Women organizations. She emphasizes the importance of pondering and praying for the young women she served, taking time to understand their needs and interests.

Emma also highlights the significance of building relationships with the youth and recognizing their talents to create meaningful connections. She recounts a touching story where the young women surprised her with cards of love and support during a vulnerable moment, showcasing the reciprocal nature of service and love in leadership roles.

Throughout the interview, Emma reflects on how her time as a leader has taught her patience, love, and the value of serving others. Her journey as a leader in the Young Women organization exemplifies the transformative power of service, connection, and faith in leadership roles within the Church.

00:02:53 – Background and Experience in the Church

00:05:08 – Serving in the Young Women Organization

00:10:36 – Activities and Events for Youth

00:15:39 – Importance of Pondering and Praying for Youth

00:18:31 – Engaging Youth through Vision Boards

00:22:00 – Sunday Meeting Approaches

00:23:36 – Giving Time to Study and Pray

00:24:07 – Personal Story of Vulnerability and Support

00:28:01 – Reflection on Leadership Experience and Personal Growth

Behind the Scenes at Church HQ: Handbooks, Ministering, & Area Presidencies | An Interview with Larry Richman

Sat, 06 Jul 2024 07:00:55 +0000

Larry Richman retired in 2022 after working as a Church employee for 45 years. He was a project and product manager for many of the Church’s programs, such as Sunday and weekday programs for adults, youth, and children as well as leader training and tools. He was the director of LDS.org and the Church’s social media efforts from 2003–2008.

Larry has authored over a dozen books and thousands of articles in magazines and websites. As an entrepreneur, he has started several businesses and provided leadership training and consulting for several companies. He has also served as CEO and Chairman of the Board of Trustees for non-profit organizations. From 2022–2023, Larry served a full-time mission as the executive secretary for the Africa South Area Presidency.

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Larry shares insights into his career working behind the scenes at the Church and collaborating with general authorities. He discusses the balance between following the handbook and allowing for flexibility in leadership roles. Larry also highlights the importance of utilizing resources like the Life Help section, Gospel Topics, and My Calling in the Gospel Library app. He emphasizes the principle-based approach in the current handbook and the For the Strength of Youth guide, focusing on teaching doctrine and letting individuals govern themselves. Larry also touches on his experience running the LDS 365 blog and the importance of staying updated on handbook revisions. He shares his recent mission experience in South Africa and working with the area presidency. Larry’s insights provide valuable perspectives on leadership and resources within church structure.

2:20 Larry Richman’s career in the church. He has worked in the materials management, translation, and curriculum departments.

5:50 Larry retired and went on a mission to South Africa with his wife. Now he is a church service missionary.

6:20 There are so many more opportunities for senior missionaries and service missionaries than people know. There are so many different ways to serve and you can do it before you retire. You can serve from home in hundreds of different ways.

8:05 When Larry was in graduate school for instructional science, he was offered a full time position with the church. He helped the church implement different projects.

9:00 Behind the scenes of the church’s programs and the curriculum that comes out. Working with General Authorities.

12:30 Reworking programs that have gone stale. Employees study it out and come up with recommendations and take them to the brethren, who discuss and pray about it.

17:00 Working with general authorities and all the different councils in the church.

21:00 Meetings with general authorities. Balancing and structuring a meeting so that the spirit can speak and you address what you need to address.

24:00 How they implement Church Initiatives.

26:50 Implementation of new technology: blogs, websites, social media. The Lord moves his work forward with technology.

30:31 Larry has a blog called LDS 365. He updates people on things the church is implementing and more of the details on the apps and resources that the church has.

33:45 Resources that Larry wished more people knew about:
Life Help
Gospel topics
My calling

40:30 Understanding and using the handbook. How strictly does it need to be followed?
45:20 Updates and changes in the handbook.

46:20 Larry’s experiences serving a mission in South Africa.

48:40 How an area presidency works in South Africa.

52:00 Leaders can not truly lead if they aren’t willing to do the things themselves that they are asking others to do. We go back and forth between being a leader and follower. Both are important.

Leading‏‏‎ the Rising Generation | A Live Event with Robert Ferrell

Thu, 04 Jul 2024 15:35:34 +0000

We are thrilled to announce an exclusive Leading Saints live interview event at Thanksgiving Point featuring our most-listened-to podcast guest, Robert Ferrell! (Here’s that episode) Recently returning from his service as a mission leader in the Peru Lima Central Mission, Robert is ready to share his incredible experiences and leadership insights with you once again.

We will cover topics like…

What have you learned over the last 3 years about the rising generation?
What was most difficult about leading in the context of a mission?
How did you and your wife find success working together?

Join us for an engaging evening as Kurt Francom interviews Robert Ferrell, delving into his mission experiences and the leadership principles he employed as a mission president. This is a unique opportunity to gain valuable insights and be inspired by one of our most impactful leaders.

Seats are limited!

Date: Friday, July 19th, 2024
Time: 7:00 PM
Location: The Amber Room at Thanksgiving Point, second floor of the Museum of Ancient Life
No Live Stream Available
Portions of the recorded event will be made available at a later time

How to Register: To reserve your spot, CLICK HERE to purchase your tickets. Spaces are limited, so we encourage you to register early to ensure your attendance.

We look forward to seeing you at Thanksgiving Point for this unforgettable event. Thank you for being a part of the Leading Saints community and for your continued support.

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Registration for the event
Being an Advocate for Those You Lead | An Interview with Rob Ferrell

How I Lead as President of BYU-Idaho | An Interview with Elder Alvin F. Meredith III

Sat, 29 Jun 2024 07:00:50 +0000

Elder Alvin F. “Trip” Meredith III is the president of Brigham Young University–Idaho and a General Authority Seventy of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Prior to his call as a General Authority, President Meredith served as president of the Utah Salt Lake City South Mission. He also served as an Area Seventy in the North America Southeast and Asia Areas, and previously served as a missionary in the Utah Salt Lake City Mission, as an elders quorum president, bishop, and stake president.

President Meredith received a bachelor of science degree in Psychology from BYU, and a master of business administration in Finance from the University of Chicago Booth School of Business. In his professional career, he worked as a Six Sigma black belt for GE Capital, as a consultant for Boston Consulting Group, and as a senior vice president at Asurion in Tennessee, Hong Kong, and Singapore. President Meredith was born in Chattanooga, Tennessee, and married Jennifer Edgin. They are the parents of six children.

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In this podcast conversation, President Meredith shares insights on his approach to leadership, emphasizing the importance of listening and seeking revelation. He highlights the significance of focusing on individuals and fostering spiritual momentum in leadership roles. The episode also touches on the challenges and joys of working with the rising generation, particularly in the context of YSAs.

Throughout the interview, President Meredith reflects on the lessons learned from various leadership positions, including serving as a stake president, mission president, and Area 70. He emphasizes the importance of pointing individuals to the Savior, aligning with the counsel of living prophets and apostles, and conveying the joy of living the gospel of Jesus Christ.

3:30 President Meredith’s background and journey to becoming president of BYU-Idaho

9:50 Stepping into the role of the president of BYU-Idaho. Elder Meredith didn’t have a background in higher education and everything was new to him. He spent the first 100 days just listening.

15:00 Gathering feedback by doing surveys and speaking with different groups and counseling sessions

18:00 Facilitating a better council dynamic

19:30 President Meredith grew up in a part-member family in Tennessee. He served a mission in Salt Lake City, Utah.

21:00 Being mentored by his mission president. He was a constant example of what good leadership looked like and gave good feedback. He led with great love and high expectations.

22:00 In church leadership we have to be careful that we don’t become caretakers but difference makers.

23:40 A good leader invites people to change and stretch to reach their full potential.

23:55 A characteristic of a good leader is divine discontent.

25:00 President Meredith’s educational and professional background

25:30 Where President Meredith’s leadership experience began

28:50 If President Meredith could go back in time and council himself as a new bishop he would tell himself to focus on the youth and focus on individuals, not just the group.

31:40 Leadership in the Church and in business. Moving around the world.

37:00 Top priorities of a bishop: Wife, children, work, and church call. Family is first.

38:00 The unique experience of being a mission president in Utah. Working with members is vital for Utah missions.

42:30 President Eyring says that there are two things that a leader needs to have.

To be led by the spirit
Charity

43:00 How do you approach the rising generation?

46:30 Conveying that the gospel brings joy

48:30 Responsibilities as a member of seventy. Working with stake presidencies.

54:00 Things that President Meredith learned and saw while visiting other stakes

55:10 Why BYU-Idaho?

57:20 President Meredith shares a final experience and what it means to be a leader.

Rallying the Ward Around Sacrament Meeting | A How I Lead Interview with Ryan Webb

Wed, 26 Jun 2024 17:08:58 +0000

Ryan Webb grew up in Tremonton, Utah, and has been married to his wife, KaDawn, for 22 years. They have six children. He has taught within Seminaries and Institutes in Orem, Utah, Colorado Springs, Colorado, and Raleigh, North Carolina. He also spent 10 months as the Raleigh Temple Recorder. Ryan has served as a Young Men president, elders quorum president, stake high councilor, bishopric counselor, and currently serves as bishop of his ward.

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Ryan discusses his approach to enhancing sacrament meetings by involving the ward council and focusing on creating a worshipful and edifying experience. He shares various creative ideas implemented in sacrament meetings, such as having musical numbers every week, incorporating different languages, and allowing members to share their testimonies on specific topics such as “Why I Believe”—all with the purpose of to strengthening the ward members’ connections to Jesus Christ.

03:10 Ryan Webb’s path in church education. He started with teaching Seminary and is now an Institute director.

06:00 Ryan is currently serving as a bishop. He describes his ward and demographics.

07:10 Ryan’s initial approach as a bishop

08:35 Focus on improving sacrament meetings.

10:20 Implementing changes in sacrament meetings to make people feel more welcome and create a new culture.

12:50 Involving the young women’s president to help make changes in the sacrament meeting and give the young women more chances to serve.

15:50 More ways they have improved sacrament meeting. They threw out the old, cookie cutter ways of doing this meeting and met together to come up with lots of new ideas to worship.

18:20 Music is powerful and brings the spirit. They have tried to have a musical number every meeting.

19:10 Washing away prior tradition because sometimes we feel bound by that tradition. There is power in starting over and just trying new things to see what works. The spirit speaks and can help us create a unique, edifying meeting.

20:30 Involving all the organizations in the ward to do musical numbers. They also involve other churches by inviting their choirs to come and sing in church.

22:00 How they organize sacrament meetings. They don’t do the traditional 10-minute speakers. They normally do shorter talks.

19:11 Involving ward council in sacrament meeting planning.

23:10 Speaking in different languages in sacrament meeting. The whole meeting was short testimonies in different languages.

25:00 Different ideas to create unique sacrament meeting experiences.

All-music meetings
Living Christ meeting with multiple musical numbers
Young Men-only meeting
Young Women-only meeting
Because of Him meeting
4 Christmas programs in the month of December.

27:30 “Why I Believe” testimony meeting. Members had 90 seconds to share why they believe. Members were prepared 3 weeks before and anyone could go up and share.

31:30 Christ-centered sacrament services. Letting people sign up to speak on something that they want to speak on and then connect it to Christ.

35:25 Mother’s Day sacrament meeting

36:30 Establishing a cadence for sacrament meetings

38:20 Ward counsel and involving elders quorum and Relief Society in sacrament meeting planning. Helping the whole ward feel involved in planning sacrament meeting.

40:10 Challenges and lessons learned while trying new ideas

41:20 Improving fast and testimony meeting

42:10 Impact of leadership on personal discipleship

44:00 Ryan’s final thoughts on his leadership experience

The Bishop Miracle | An Interview with Brad Agle

Sat, 22 Jun 2024 17:45:06 +0000

Brad Agle is a professor of Ethics and Leadership and holds the George W. Romney endowed professorship in the Marriott School of Business at Brigham Young University. Brad recently published The Bishop Book, talking about the experiences of serving as a bishop and using quotes from interviews conducted over the past 30 years with former and current bishops, their wives, and stake presidents.

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The Bishop Book – Insights from LDS Bishops, Wives, and Stake Presidents
Ethical Dilemmas in Church Leadership | An Interview with Brad Agle
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This podcast reveals the profound impact of being a bishop, with bishops often feeling overwhelmed by the responsibilities and emotional toll of the role. Brad shares personal anecdotes and stories from his book, highlighting the unique challenges faced by bishops and their families. The discussion also touches on the transition from being a bishop to being released from the calling, a process that can be emotionally taxing and challenging for many individuals.

One of the key themes that emerge from the conversation is the importance of family support and the strain that the bishopric role can place on personal relationships. Brad recounts stories of bishops who struggled to balance their calling with family life, leading to moments of reflection and growth. The conversation provides a candid look at the complexities of serving as a bishop and the impact it can have on individuals and their loved ones.

Brad offers a deep dive into the experiences of bishops, shedding light on the sacrifices, joys, and struggles that come with the calling. His insights and the stories shared in The Bishop Book serve as a valuable resource for current and future bishops, offering guidance, empathy, and understanding for those navigating the challenges of leadership within the Church.

3:15 Brad is a professor of ethics and leadership. He has written many academic articles as well as books. He has recently written a book for bishops.

5:40 The story for this book started 34 years ago. The bishop is like the CEO of a ward. He started to study what it meant to be an effective bishop.

9:30 What’s the most difficult thing that bishops go through? It’s not what most people think. It’s getting released.

13:00 How has the focus of the book changed over the past 34 years?

16:55 The bishops in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are a miracle!

17:40 Brad’s experience becoming and serving as a bishop of a brand new ward

21:10 The interview process of bishops for the book. They also interviewed the bishops’ wives.

23:50 Overinvesting in the members. You can’t take away someone’s problem. You are there to help and assist but it’s their problem.

25:00 The different sections and chapters of the book

25:45 Brad’s experience in the Lubbock temple as he was working on the book

27:50 The release of a bishop and how it relates to a retiring CEO. Losing your heroic stature and the heroic mission.

35:20 The heaviness of the mantle and the job

40:30 The dynamic between husband and wife while he serves as bishop. Brad shares an experience of a stake president’s wife.

43:20 Balancing being a bishop and your family life. Don’t neglect your family. Learn to delegate.

47:40 Managing your time well. Being efficient and effective. The calling will take all the time you are willing to give it.

49:10 Brad’s protestant minister friend sent him a little letter about being the perfect pastor.

52:00 Brad quotes President Hinckley

53:00 Brad shares a quote from a former bishop. Be a good counselor and proactively help the bishop to take things off his plate.

58:15 Where to get the bishop book

59:20 Brad’s final advice to bishops. Remember to savor it.

The Power of Stillness in Leadership | An Interview with Jacob Hess, Carrie Skarda, Kyle Anderson, and Ty Mansfield

Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:00:16 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in March 2020.

Jacob Hess, Carrie Skarda, Kyle Anderson, and Ty Mansfield are the authors of The Power of Stillness: Mindful Living for Latter-day Saints. In this interview they discuss where mindfulness and meditation fit into the gospel and how we can better approach our service and our practices with the balance of mindfulness.

Jacob Hess, PhD, is a clinical psychologist and a mindfulness-based stress reduction (MBSR) instructor trained through the Center for Mindfulness at the University of Massachusetts Medical School.

Carrie Skarda, PsyD, is a psychologist in private practice. She has provided individual and couples therapy with particular interest in attachment trauma and mindfulness, and has studied and practiced mindfulness and formal meditation for over ten years.

Kyle Anderson, PhD, is a professor of Chinese and Asian Studies, currently an administrator in Global Learning, International Partnerships and Initiatives at Clemson University, and came to mindfulness meditation through his studies in Asian literature.

Ty Mansfield, PhD, is an assistant professor in Religious Education at BYU, a certified mindfulness meditation teacher, and a practicing marriage and family therapist specializing in mindfulness-based paths to emotional, relational, and spiritual thriving. He and his wife, Danielle, have five children and live in Spanish Fork, UT.

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The Power of Stillness: Mindful Living for Latter-day Saints
Jesus: The Perfect Leader, by Spencer W. Kimball
The Council for Sustainable Healing
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Highlights

5:40 Jacob was exposed to meditation in graduate school and began to see where it fit into the gospel tradition

7:00 Backgrounds of the authors

9:00 Definitions of mindfulness and what it means to Christians and to Latter-day Saints: compassionate presence in the moment

11:10 Christ was meditative and present in the moment

12:25 Being busy vs. mindfulness 14:00 Looking for words in our own tradition: reverence, peace, stillness, pondering

15:45 Advice for a busy leader: Christ had a practice of punctuating his doing with non-doing; the rhythm of action and pausing is already built in to our practices

19:40 It’s not the gospel that people struggle with, but an impoverished experience of it

20:55 David O. McKay quote: “I think we pay too little attention to the value of meditation, a principle of devotion. In our worship there are two elements: One is spiritual communion arising from our own meditation; the other, instruction from others, particularly from those who have authority to guide and instruct us. Of the two, the more profitable introspectively is meditation. Meditation is the language of the soul.”

22:10 Example in a ward council: not praying as a to-do, but sitting with the Savior

23:30 Clarity and priority come through pausing between action

24:25 Centering the attention on the inspiration in the moment and not on the calendar: Am I interruptable?

26:20 The Savior was interruptable in his task at hand and could pivot to what was most needful in the moment

28:35 The Savior was willing to build in his time with His Father, the foundation of His work

29:35 We can meditate on the person in front of us by giving them our full attention in that moment

31:30 The order in which the Savior did what he did: communion with the Father, surrounding himself in community, then going out to minister

33:45 C.S. Lewis (in Mere Christianity): “It comes the very moment you wake up each morning. All your wishes and hopes for the day rush at you like wild animals. And the first job each morning consists simply in shoving them all back; in listening to that other voice, taking that other point of view, letting that other larger, stronger, quieter life come flowing in. And so on, all day. Standing back from all your natural fussings and frettings; coming in out of the wind.”

35:25 Tech hack for when you’re tied to your computer: the first tabs on the left are dedicated to devotion

36:40 How we organize our lives reflects our core values: look for the bigger purpose instead of organizing in a task-oriented way

37:30 Doing more can be disobedient, and following God’s will can involve taking out good things in favor of better or best; unnecessary sacrifice is evil

39:15 Jacob’s New Year’s resolution to be less efficient; doing our one little piece—what God wants done

41:30 Example of when the Savior didn’t heal and didn’t preach

42:50 There can be big things that need doing, but we are not asked to do them all the time, and the danger comes when we associate our self worth and our relationship with God with the accomplishment of great things; it’s about balance

47:15 The doing mode of mind vs. the being mode of mind

48:40 Addiction and recovery focused on sobriety vs. the unmet needs of the sinner; compassion is to go with people into their pain

52:00 So much of the practices of mindfulness go back to practicing what we truly believe

54:20 We have organized the gospel into behavioral steps, but there is a higher way

55:50 Repentance as a practice of turning back and beginning again, moment by moment

58:15 Love is creating space for another, and this can be healing even if there is no pragmatic solution in that moment

59:30 David Augsburger: “Being heard is so close to being loved that for the average person they are almost indistinguishable.”

1:01:10 Smiling and being open to the distraction instead of reacting with fear or annoyance

1:02:45 We love the stories of change and resolution, but we need to be okay with a different process when things get messy instead: being at piece with the progress and the trajectory because change happens in moments over time

1:07:05 It’s consistency over time that leads to substantive change; the culture of narratives of what life is supposed to look like

1:11:55 Expectations are premeditative resentments: the second act of a play is the messy part

1:12:00 The substance of the gospel is practicing being in each moment in the most honest and compassionate way

1:13:10 You impact as a leader related to mental health: there is a healing power in listening; ministering is directly connected to lifting burdens

1:16:00 Mindfulness leads to being less reactive, being more curious, feeling more joy in the moments, and experiencing more steadiness

1:17:30 This may feel very strange, different, and even difficult

A Latter-day Saint Bishop Sits Down with Four Evangelical Pastors

Sat, 15 Jun 2024 07:00:52 +0000

In this podcast, Kurt Francom sits down with four Evangelical Protestant pastors, Jeff McCullough of Hello Saints, Curtis Gilbert—a senior pastor in Shiloh, Illinois, Kyle Beshears, —pastor of a nondenominational church in Mobile, Alabama, and Nate Fox—pastor of Lightstone Church in Herriman, Utah. This conversation is part of the Hello Saints Summit, happening June 11-20, 2024, which involves two dozen Latter-day Saint and Protestant presenters—all FREE to watch!

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Highlights

00:02:06 – Introductions of the four evangelical pastors
00:07:11 – Unexpected call to serve as a bishop
00:15:38 – Pastors sharing their unique stories of being called into ministry
00:26:08 – Typical week in the life of a pastor
00:28:40 – Discussion on burnout and validation in pastoral roles
00:35:49 – Importance of humility and avoiding self-validation in ministry
00:43:46 – Involving and supporting pastors’ spouses in ministry

Visiting Other Churches as a Stake Communication Director | A How I Lead Interview with Maria Duncan

Wed, 12 Jun 2024 07:04:20 +0000

Maria Duncan was raised in the San Francisco East Bay area where she learned the gospel from sister missionaries and joined the Church as she entered her teens. She moved to Cache Valley, Utah for high school and college, graduating from Utah State with a bachelor’s degree in Technology Systems, then worked in the professional media market and has since transitioned to project work.

In the Church, Maria has served in Young Women and Relief Society, worked with the stake youth, and been a Public Affairs (now Communication) director for the most recent six years. She serves on boards for non-profit organizations in her community while coaching middle school sports and raising seven children with her loving husband, Tom.

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3:10 Intro to Maria and an explanation of the role of a stake communication director

6:30 Misconceptions about the role of a stake communication director

8:50 The Global Communication Network site requires a special login. The purpose of a private site is for a private way to access marketing and PR materials before they’re released to the public.

9:15 A good starting point when you are called as stake communication director

10:50 Maria’s stake’s focus is interfaith work. Bringing The Church out of obscurity and serving your fellow man. It’s about getting to know your community and building connections and relationships with people from other faiths.

12:20 Maria shares some of the things that she does in her calling and the time commitment. She attends different churches in the community and builds relationships with them.

15:40 Involving youth in stake communication activities. Maria shares an experience she had taking some of the youth to a food giveaway and to another local church.

19:10 Are other pastors or church leaders skeptical when you want to work with them?

21:00 When visiting other churches cater to your audience. Dress as they dress, join them, sing with them.

23:00 How Maria involves the youth and the importance of taking youth to other churches

25:10 Attending different churches in the community and building relationships

28:40 Importance of networking and building relationships with other faith communities

30:10 Focusing on connections and relationships rather than conversion. Maria’s calling doesn’t allow her to talk about the church so her main focus is just building a relationship.

33:20 Reflection on the experience of temple open houses

36:10 Maria has 14 people that work with her on the stake communication team. There is a graphic designer, newspaper writer, youth specialist, social media manager, JustServe leaders, education specialist, interfaith leadership, a member of the stake presidency.

38:20 Advice and tips for doing a temple open house.

41:40 Gratitude for the stake communication work and its impact

42:30 How leadership in stake communication has enhanced following Jesus Christ

How Girls Camp & High Adventure Camp Can Develop Relationships Youth Need | An Interview with Dan and Dave Gray

Sat, 08 Jun 2024 14:40:29 +0000

Dan Gray is an author, licensed psychotherapist, and lecturer. He co-founded the LifeStar Network, an internationally-known program designed to help individuals, couples, and families who have been impacted by a family member’s unwanted compulsive or addictive behaviors. Dan mostly loves being a husband, dad and grandpa, while helping other men become stronger and more loving leaders and mentors in their homes.

Dave Gray has an entrepreneurial spirit and has enjoyed careers in the real estate and mental health fields. He believes in the symbiotic connection between the relationships we have with those around us, and the choices we make in our lives. He passionately cherishes his relationships with others, especially his close family and friends and specifically with his kids. Dave couldn’t be more excited to create powerful and unique opportunities for parents and their kids to make deep and meaningful connections with one another through Bridgecamp.

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4:30 Introduction to father and son Dan and Dave Gray

7:15 Dan mostly works with people struggling with pornography and other addictive behaviors.

9:24 Dan’s therapy work and the genesis of Bridgecamp

13:45 Overview of Bridgecamp. A place for parents and their kids to connect.

16:01 Components of Bridgecamp: Adventuring, learning, and serving

18:45 The power of experiential activities

19:30 Dan shares how experiential activities with his dad created a strong relationship between them. These activities also gave his dad opportunities to teach him.

23:15 Experiential activities for the youth and church leaders. These activities help leaders connect with the youth and give opportunities for the kids to grow in different areas.

24:50 Bridgecamp is a one-on-one experience for kids 12 to 17. Now that the Church isn’t associated with Boy Scouts it’s a great opportunity to get out and camp and be mentored.

28:00 The best way to describe Bridgecamp is that it’s a relationship-, trust-, and connection-building program. It’s not a therapy program but it is a therapeutic environment.

29:00 Bridgecamp can be an alternative to therapy for a struggling teen. An opportunity for parents to break down their teen’s walls and connect with them.

32:00 How can we be more intentional when it comes to girls camp, high adventure, or doing parent and child activities?

35:00 When you are self aware you are also aware of what’s going on in your relationships and building them.

39:20 Addressing parental issues at Bridgecamp

42:35 Discussion and learning components at Bridgecamp

45:30 The mentoring aspect of the camp is important also. The staff are there to mentor, and give examples of healthy interactions.

46:00 We were created to connect. In Genesis it says that it’s not good for man to be alone. We all long for bonding and the love and connection with others. The camp plants the seeds to create a better relationship that you can continue to develop when you go back home.

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Fri, 07 Jun 2024 00:18:15 +0000

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“I Literally Washed Her Feet” | A How I Lead Interview with Sierra Larson

Wed, 05 Jun 2024 18:29:17 +0000

Sierra Larson serves as a stake Relief Society president in Brandon, Florida, and previously served as a ward Relief Society president. She served a mission in Santiago, Dominican Republic, earned a master’s degree in Social Work, and is a licensed clinical social worker specializing in trauma. She recently joined the Chaplain Corp in the United States Air Force and graduated with a second master’s in Divinity, with a focus in spiritual leadership. Sierra and her husband Joe Larson have three children.

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4:40 Sierra’s background, how she met her husband, and military experience

9:45 Day to day responsibilities of a chaplain in the military

12:30 Sierra’s leadership roles. She served as ward Relief Society president and then stake Relief Society president.

14:30 Praying to have a vision for the ward Relief Society and creating a vision statement. This statement has helped Sierra have a focus and communicate what they need to do and why.

17:00 When beginning a new calling, Sierra suggests that the most important things are seeking revelation and reading the handbook. She then created templates to make sure that she was covering all her bases.

18:20 Sierra’s ward and stake demographics

19:30 Sierra’s routine as a stake Relief Society president and how she works with her counselors

23:00 Sierra’s stake Relief Society conference. Their conference with focus on 3 values:

Authenticity and vulnerability
Inclusion and loving everyone when we are all so different
Women’s strength and drawing down power from heaven to do God’s work

25:40 Getting together all the Relief Society presidents for an informal gathering just to get to know each other and minister to them

27:40 * Leadership principle: Lead yourself to Christ and rely on Him to accomplish His work

29:10 * Leadership principle: Be a servant leader

29:45 Sierra shares an experience she had and how she applies the leadership principle of being a servant leader. Serving in the way that Christ would and being humble enough to do anything that’s needed.

33:20 * Leadership principle: Have an inspired vision and plan

36:00 Sierra’s final thoughts on being a leader and the way she leads

Order of the Priesthood, Sacrifice, & Leadership | An Interview with Todd McLauchlin

Sat, 01 Jun 2024 07:10:22 +0000

Todd McLauchlin served a mission to Japan and studied philosophy at Brigham Young University. In this conversation, Todd and Kurt delve into the concept of magnifying one’s calling in the priesthood, emphasizing the importance of sacrifice and obedience, and discuss how leaders can magnify redemption to others.

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3:40 Todd’s background

6:20 Exploring the intersection of leadership, theology, and priesthood

7:40 A question that has always pounded Todd is do you REALLY believe what you believe? Why do I believe this?

10:30 Being Christ-like is more than just being a nicer person. How can I be a much more truthful person and what am I willing to sacrifice for it? Bring the darkness out of you into the light.

12:00 What is the dread of the holy? If you really want to pursue holiness and Jesus Christ you will most likely face dread in that path. You will have to encounter your demons to feel that sanctifying light.

13:00 Even the person that seems like they have everything together and is temple worthy has a lot of work to do on himself.

17:00 We need to humble ourselves without being compelled. We can go to the Lord with a broken heart and contrite spirit to know the depth of our weakness and insufficiency so that we can know the power and salvational abilities of Jesus Christ. It will be a radically transformational experience.

18:50 The temple endowment is an endowment of the priesthood. The significance of the Oath and Covenant of the Priesthood.

22:00 The order of the priesthood is a group of people that are obtaining covenantal relationship intimacy with the Lord in degrees of intimacy. Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ share their power with you as you become sanctified and fulfill their purposes.

23:00 The meaning of the order of the priesthood. The ordination is the authoritative invitation to enter into the order of the priesthood but you must do much more to sanctify yourself to share the power of God. That is the difference between being called and chosen.

24:50 Unpacking the temple endowment to understand priesthood theology

26:20 The covenant of the priesthood and becoming clean from the blood and sins of the generation. This is our primary call and covenant.

27:30 Magnifying one’s calling and the connection to priesthood theology

35:20 Sacrifice, leadership, and the impact on relationships and redemption

39:00 The consequences of breaking covenant and the role of priesthood in delivering Christ’s message

42:00 Applying covenant principles to leadership roles like Relief Society and Elder Quorum Presidents. Normally the things that the Lord wants us to do are things that we don’t want to do but that is where the power is unlocked.

45:30 When Adam and Eve were cast out, God said I will give you a savior and the law of sacrifice. We get to partner with Christ through our sacrifices.

46:40 Many are struggling with children that don’t want to participate in the covenant. What can they do?

49:00 When people leave the covenant. They haven’t seen how the gospel can work for them. Their testimony is not the problem; not experiencing redemption is the problem.

50:20 Are people leaving their Sunday feeling the redemption or like they haven’t been doing enough? There has to be a balance. We need to be careful on how we talk about repentance.

54:10 Going through a true repentance process and giving everything to Christ so that you can be transformed. Your own redemptive experience will magnify to others.

56:15 We are ALL sinners. Should we even use the word ‘serious’ in front of sin? We all have to heal our brokenness no matter what the sin.

58:30 Todd’s recommendations for further study (see links)

59:30 Todd shares his most significant experience with the young men.

Leading‏‏‎ ‎Like Elder David B. Haight | An Interview with Jim Ritchie

Sat, 25 May 2024 18:37:14 +0000

Over the last 45 years, Jim Ritchie has been the founder or principal of multiple business adventures, including serving as senior vice president for Franklin Quest (now Franklin Covey). He is a member of the Brigham Young University President’s Leadership Council for both Provo and Hawaii campuses, a member of the National Advisory Council for the Marriott School of Business, and has served as an adjunct professor at Provo. He has also served as a board member and NAC advisor to Southern Virginia University.

Jim and his wife Carolyn Orton have spent over 20 years serving full time in Church service on four continents, including as bishop, stake president in Simi Valley, mission president in Roanoke, Missionary Training Center president in Ghana, Institute director in New Zealand, CES area director in Africa, regional representative in the Provo Region, director of the Willes Center at BYU-Hawaii, and most recently as the young single adult specialists for the Washington DC South Mission. The Ritchies have eight children and forty grandchildren. He is also the principal founder of the Ritchie Enterprises LLC which began in the late ’60’s, and part of The Ritchie Group, of which he says he is “the gray hair”.

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Launching a Rising Generation of Leaders | An Interview with Steven Hitz and Michael Leonard
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1:45 Jim shares his story. He got polio when he was 1 year old. When he started talking at two he had a stutter. Despite his impediments and inadequacies he was able to laugh it off and was in student leadership growing up.

4:45 He thought because of his problems that he wouldn’t serve a mission. He tried to run away but thanks to church leaders stepping in he ended up serving in Scotland.

6:30 Jim thought he would fail on his mission because of his stutter. He was the missionary that didn’t speak until he got a companion that changed his life.

11:40 When Jim was about to come home from his mission in Scotland Elder David B. Haight gave him some advice. The formula for happiness and success is:

Get up early
Work hard
Get your education
Find your oil
Make your mark in life
Give back and serve others

13:05 The work ethic of Elder Haight

14:15 He was a limping, stuttering, chicken-farmer kid. In his patriarchal blessing it said that he would travel for the Church, have friends all over the world, and witness before many. Heavenly Father knows who we are and what we can become.

17:20 The organization of the mission. Jim was a mission president and applied a lot from what he learned from Elder Haight.

20:20 Give a kid a position, explain to him what it means to live up to it, and let him rise up to it and become a leader. Jim shares his leadership journey.

25:40 How can we be better mentors? Look at the story of Moses.

29:45 When Jim got home from his mission and went to BYU, got married, and had children. He started 27 businesses.

35:10 If he could go back in time and mentor himself as a new bishop. Jim shares what he learned from David Haight on his mission in Scotland and how it impacted his leadership in the Church.

43:50 The story behind getting called to be a mission president

45:40 Where do you start when becoming a mission president?

48:30 When a new missionary comes in how do you train them and get them into the culture of the mission?

50:00 Jim’s wife’s role in the mission

51:00 Striking up a balance between raising and mentoring your children and serving in leadership roles

54:00 How to get people on board and excited with new ideas, programs, and leadership?

57:50 Giving autonomy to mission leaders instead of giving orders. Creating a Zion mission.

1:01:30 Jim reflects on his life. By going on a mission and meeting David Haight it changed the course of his life.

1:03:30 Most training doesn’t work. It teaches but it doesn’t empower.

1:04:30 When you’re not in the core of leadership efforts and the vision making. You feel like you are sitting on the sidelines. How do you find your purpose? Jim is now in his 80s and he believes you have to create it. You also have to learn to be a follower.

PMG: Creating Youth-directed, Vulnerable, Spirit-led Meetings | An Interview with Ganel-Lyn Condie

Wed, 22 May 2024 07:00:30 +0000

Ganel-Lyn is a popular motivational speaker, known for inspiring others with her unique honesty, authenticity and spirit. She is dedicated to her family, faith, and inspiring others and loves teaching through speaking and writing. She has experienced healing from a major chronic illness and is the mother to two miracle children. After the heart-breaking suicide of her 40-year-old sister, Ganel-Lyn is constantly working towards prevention. She lives with an open heart and feels passionate about sharing principles that will empower others to live life with more joy. She is a regular television/radio guest and hosts the popular shows “Talk of Him” and “The Middle.”

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Why God Calls Some as Relief Society Presidents and Others as Cancer Survivors | An Interview with Ganel-Lyn Condie
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4:20 Who is Ganel-Lyn Condie? She is an author, speaker, podcaster, mother, and now empty-nester.

6:30 Ganel-Lyn hosts a PMG, (Preach My Gospel) group in her home led by the youth. What is it? How can people start it?

7:30 How did the PMG group start? It was an amazing success and grew quickly. Very authentic and spirit led teaching.

14:30 It’s not just a mission-prep class, it’s a life-prep class. Open to anybody because Preach My Gospel helps you develop all sorts of skills.

16:30 If you want to start a group like this it can be once a month or even once a week.

18:10 Why would kids want to go to these meetings? It’s not like your normal church meeting.

18:40 The adults have to get out of the way.

20:00 What does home-centered feel like and why is it different from having a church meeting? These meetings are not strictly Preach My Gospel but a place to have vulnerable conversations about hard topics and addictions. Youth can show up in sweats if they want.

22:50 The rule is that the Spirit interrupts.

23:40 The structure of the PMG meetings. Review the rules and introduce who is new, announce new mission calls, kids that are leaving on a mission always giving a closing testimony and are sent off with the hymn, “God Be with You Till We Meet Again”. They start a song and kneel in family prayer at the end.

24:15 Teaching the youth what it feels like to have to the Spirit lead the meeting is powerful. You don’t know how to teach it until you experience it. It might be difficult at first but the adults need to stay out of the way and let the youth learn through it.

26:00 It is not Ganel-Lyn and her husband’s calling to have these meetings. They felt inspired to do it.

29:00 The sweet spot for these meetings is age 16 and older. Missionaries and returned missionaries also come. It helps returned missionaries transition back into life.

31:30 This is a non-stress meeting. You don’t have to have treats or a formal lesson planned.

32:00 Ganel-Lyn and her husband were also called by the stake to teach mission prep classes but she noticed that it wasn’t the same as having the home-centered PMG group.

35:00 Have real life conversations that are connected to the gospel of Jesus Christ. They shouldn’t be two separate things. The PMG magic is the gospel and real life in action. It’s not adult-pushed or calling-pushed.

36:40 They use Groupme to communicate with the youth and the youth are over it.

40:30 Finding a youth member to be the facilitator. If you don’t have one you can rotate.

42:50 What if the topic takes a left turn? Do you step in?

45:00 Oversharing is not actually a thing. Something in you might be triggered but for other people it’s fine. It’s ok for it to be awkward. We need to create a safe place for people to open up.

52:00 You can do these meetings in your way and for your needs. Just create a safe place.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, Kirby Heyborne, and many more in over 700 episodes.

The Art & Science of Ministering Interviews | An Interview with Steven Rogelberg

Sat, 18 May 2024 07:00:31 +0000

Dr. Steven G. Rogelberg, an organizational psychologist, holds the title of Chancellor’s Professor at UNC Charlotte for distinguished national, international and interdisciplinary contributions. He is an award-winning teacher, has over 200 publications, been cited well over 12,000 times in the academic literature, and was recipient of the very prestigious Humboldt Award for his research on meetings.

Dr. Rogelberg is the author of two highly-praised leadership books, Glad We Met: The Art and Science of 1:1 Meetings and The Surprising Science of Meetings: How You Can Lead Your Team to Peak Performance. He has been interviewed or featured on major TV and radio broadcasts, podcasts, and in most major newspapers and magazines. His keynotes on meetings span the globe and occur at the world’s leading organizations. He was the inaugural winner of the Society for Industrial and Organizational Psychology (SIOP) Humanitarian Award and just finished his term as president of SIOP, the world’s largest professional organization for organizational psychology.

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The Science of Church Meetings (including Ward Council) | An Interview with Steven Rogelberg
Glad We Met: The Art and Science of 1:1 Meetings
The Surprising Science of Meetings: How You Can Lead Your Team to Peak Performance
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4:10 Steven shares his professional background. He is a professor and has been studying meetings for the past twenty years. He has written two books on his findings.

7:00 Steven’s newest book is about one-on-one meetings. He goes into why he wrote it and what he means by one-on-one meetings.

10:45 The importance of feeling seen. One to one meetings bring humanity to work and create business success. It’s a focus on the employee and gives them the opportunity to say anything they need to and receive guidance.

15:30 There are 3 principal phases of a one to one meetings:

The start
The heart
The end

17:00 Start each meeting with two questions. How are you? Have them answer on a 10 point scale. 0 being terrible and 10 being great. Ask them to tell you more about it. The second question is, “I know you were struggling with X and were going to try Y. How did that go for you?”

18:00 The goal is to get the direct to share and the manager has to be an awesome listener. The manager should not be talking more than the direct. Instead they can say things such as, “Tell me more, help me understand, how can I help you with that?”

19:20 What do you do in the close of the meeting? Make a meaningful recap. End on a positive.

20:30 What setting should we be having these meetings? Managers can also ask the employee where they want the meeting and to come prepared with what they want to talk about.

22:00 Our behaviors signal what we value. When we meet with our people and show interest in them it shows a lot about who we are. If we don’t do certain things, the lack of behavior also signals who we are.

23:00 You will make more time by doing these one-on-one meetings. They will reduce rework time because they will get it right the first time. Retention of your best performers so it’s less time refiling these roles.

24:00 It’s so easy to focus on key indicators and the progress report but what we want in these interviews is to create psychological safety in the workplace. To do this we must lead with authenticity and create trust.

27:30 If your leader or manager is awkward, what can the interviewee do to make it better? You as an employee or member of the church can’t get your needs met if you don’t know what your needs and wants are. You can also engage and ask for constructive help.

31:40 Is it good to take notes? The notes become the story of that employee or person. They communicate engagement.

33:15 One-to-one interviews at home with our kids and spouse. Finding regular time to engage with your children on their terms. Sincerely and deeply take an interest in your child besides just talking about grades and things like that. This conversation isn’t for you. It’s for your child.

38:00 Resources and where to learn more

The Best Five Years | A How I Lead Interview with Kirby Heyborne

Wed, 15 May 2024 07:00:01 +0000

Kirby Heyborne is an accomplished actor, narrator, musician, and comedian. He is best known for his roles in Saints and Soldiers, The Singles Ward, The R.M., The Best Two Years, Sons of Provo, and The Three Stooges. He has also starred in numerous television series and national commercial campaigns. Kirby currently hosts the popular BYUTV show, “Making Good.” As an audiobook narrator, Kirby has been nominated for a Grammy, received two Odyssey Awards, and countless Earphones Awards for excellence in narration. He has narrated over 2000 audiobooks, including SAINTS: The Story of The Church of Jesus Christ in the Latter Days.

At church, Kirby has served as a Primary music leader, Sunday School teacher, and bishopric counselor, and is currently the bishop of his ward. He loves spending time with his wife and kids.

Kirby Heyborne, photographed by Justin Hackworth

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When Leaders Accidentally Limit Their Effectiveness | An Interview with Dustin Peterson
Build an A-Team in Your Calling | An Interview with Whitney Johnson
Are Leaders “The Chosen One”?
Bearded Bishops, Rated-R Movies, & the Honor Code | An Interview with John Hilton III
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4:40 Introduction to Kirby. His background as an actor and being bishop. Why did God call me?

6:50 Getting into acting and having faith it would work out

9:00 The Best Two Years movie. It’s still very loved even after 20 years.

10:20 We need to make a movie about the best five years, all about bishops. Kirby describes getting called and how he got started.

12:20 The importance of the law of the lid. Thinking that I have to do it all denies others the opportunity to grow, to strengthen their relationship with Jesus, and to use the talents that God blessed them with. It also took the pressure off him as bishop.

14:00 My job as bishop is to get out of the way and point people to Jesus.

14:30 The first few weeks of being bishop. Building a powerful team and what Kirby took into consideration when calling counselors and people for other callings.

20:00 The unique thing about Kirby’s ward. It’s a new ward with people from everywhere.

21:40 Kirby was called as bishop just as they were creating a brand new ward. He had to call all the leaders.

23:50 “I never thought I would have a testimony of a schedule.” Having a streamlined schedule has allowed him to have a touch point with every organization each month.

25:00 “I think that an executive secretary is the most important calling in the ward.” They are a critical part of the ward.

27:10 What a typical Sunday works for Kirby. What his schedule looks like.

30:15 You might feel a little uncomfortable as a male leader hanging out with the young women but remember that it’s not about you. Let them lead and get out of their way. He shares what he teaches with the young women.

32:25 Ministering with the young women and young men so they have a mentor. The people in his ward know the youth and are very supportive of them.

34:00 Kirby never looks at his phone or has it out when he is in a meeting. It’s too easy to disengage from the person you are speaking with when you hear a buzz from your phone.

35:10 The importance of getting outside. The youth need to connect with nature. They created a calling in Kirby’s ward to create monthly activities that are outdoors and a little bit hard for the youth in the ward.

37:45 A lot of times the girls want to be included in more outdoor activities. They feel left out. They have started doing combined outdoor activities with young men and young women.

39:20 “There is something special about being outside, doing a hard thing.” These experiences are transformational.

41:00 We have to include women as much as possible. They have now called women leaders to also help with the outdoor monthly activities. This also helped relieve the young women’s presidencies.

43:15 Weekly interviews with the youth. Each youth member gets interviewed annually or semi-annually. He shares the questions that he asks them and what he has learned from them.

44:30 Making ward goals to encourage home-centered learning and teaching the gospel. They are trying to build a positive ward culture.

53:10 We are training up the youth. We only have them for six years. We are their only experience with a bishopric before they go.

54:00 The ‘outdoor dudes’ are also present at the other activities and Sunday meetings too. Their main priority is planning the once a month outdoor activity.

56:00 The main goal of the hard outdoor activities is to help the youth become competent adults and help them realize they can do hard things. They are seeing that too many kids are coming home from their missions early because they haven’t had to do hard things.

57:40 You have to be prepared for leadership. Reading your scriptures everyday. You are one day away from leaving the church. One day away from not saying a prayer or reading your scriptures or thanking God for a miracle.

58:30 Just as you prepare to teach a lesson, prepare before you are going in to talk to someone in an interview. Part of inspiration is preparation.

1:00:00 Be careful of bishop fatigue.

1:00:45 Involve your family in everything. Share your spiritual experiences with them. They are sacrificing for you to serve too. They need you.

1:03:50 Kirby shares his final testimony and what he has learned in his leadership.

Welcoming Young Women into the Bishop’s Office | An Interview with Jennie and Dave Blaser

Sat, 11 May 2024 21:22:38 +0000

Jennie Blaser is the ninth of 11 children and has lived all over the world: Hawaii, Utah, California, Arizona, Argentina, Slovenia, and Hong Kong. She served an 18-month mission in one branch in Ljubljana, Slovenia, and speaks English, Spanish, and Slovenian. She graduated in International Finance with a minor in Spanish from Brigham Young University, returning to earn an MBA. Jennie has taught early morning Seminary, Marriage and Family Relations, Relief Society, Sunday School, and Gospel Doctrine. She has also served as a second counselor in a Young Women presidency twice and second counselor in a Relief Society presidency five times. Jennie is currently the second counselor in her stake Young Women presidency.

Dave Blaser grew up in an Air Force family and also lived all over. He served a mission in Mendoza, Argentina, graduated from BYU in Construction Management, and has worked in commercial construction management for 24 years. He is currently the executive vice president of operations for Layton Construction in Arizona. Dave has served as an elders quorum president, Young Men president, in a bishopric, and as a stake executive secretary. He currently serves as the bishop of his ward.

Jennie recently published her first book, a short novel entitled One Plus One Equals Three. She was an adrenaline junkie until her body literally stopped producing adrenaline—one of the health challenges she deals with daily. Dave runs nearly every day and has finished multiple marathons. He is a parrot-head (Jimmy Buffet fan) and a Swiftie. The Blasers live in Gilbert, Arizona, and have three children.

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2:00 Kurt introduces Jennie and Dave and their callings.

3:20 Jennie shares how and why she got started researching the Church handbook. She has been on a journey of learning and has written a few articles about the youth programs.

6:30 Dave was a previous priesthood quorum advisor before he became bishop. He shares what he learned from the handbook and tried to apply it in his calling.

8:15 Always start with the handbook when beginning a calling.

9:20 Helping the young women have more interactions and feel comfortable with the bishop. The bishopric needs to be spending regular time with the young women.

10:40 The bishopric is not the Young Men presidency. Since Doctrine & Covenants 107 was written they have always been the presidency over the Aaronic priesthood and nothing has changed.

12:40 There are four different people that are critical to buy into the new system for the youth to make it a success. The first is the bishopric. They need to balance focus between Young Men and the Young Women programs.

16:10 The responsibilities of the bishop have changed in the past five years with the new focus on the youth. To help him focus on the youth, the Relief Society president and elders quorum president can step in and help with people that need help in their organizations.

18:30 Dave’s ward has begun support groups in the Relief Society for people struggling. It helps take some of the load off of the bishopric and allows them to do more with the youth.

19:40 Empowering the elders quorum president and Relief Society president and delegating to them. Dave shares how he does this.

20:40 When the new handbook now states that the bishop’s role is to be over both Young Men and Young Women. With the release of the Young Men presidencies it allows the young men to step up and take on more leadership and responsibility. There needs to be training done to help get this done.

26:30 Helping the young women feel more welcome, more needed, and like they have a place in the Church.

28:30 There are numerous trainings in the handbook and those trainings should happen twice a year.

31:40 The importance of the Aaronic priesthood advisor and specialist. Their role is critical and they should be present at Sunday meetings and activities to make it possible for the bishopric to also be with the young women.

32:15 Dave’s ward has a meeting inviting all the Young Men leaders: advisors, specialists, and bishopric. In this meeting they council together and make sure they are all on the same page.

34:00 What the handbook says about small wards and combining classes to give the bishopric visit the Young Women classes too

34:40 Even though the Church discontinued the Young Men presidency doesn’t mean that there are fewer adult men serving with the Aaronic priesthood. They are now advisors or specialists instead of presidency members.

35:50 Having the Young Women meet for class in the bishop’s office. It happens once a month. He doesn’t sit behind the desk but sits as part of the class.

37:10 The importance of doing the class in the bishop’s office and not just in the Young Women room. Helping the young women feel equal to the young men.

38:00 Responses that the young women gave about switching it up and having class with the bishop in his office. They got a very positive response from all the girls.

39:00 Why are we trying to do all of this with the youth? If the bishop spends all his time with the young men what message does that send to the young women? Let’s make the young women feel valued, loved, and needed.

42:00 Study the handbook. Each ward has different needs. Discuss and apply the handbook in a way that will be best for those in your ward.

42:30 Dave shares how his experience of serving has brought him to Christ. Jennie also shares how when she focuses on individuals she has been brought to Christ.

I Hesitated Being Called, Mourned Being Released | An Interview with Kayla Shields

Wed, 08 May 2024 13:42:32 +0000

Kayla Shields works as a Certified Personal trainer and Nutrition Coach. She earned an associate’s degree from LDS Business College and is now headed back to Ensign College to finish a Finance degree. Her church callings have included Primary teacher, Activity Days leader, Relief Society counselor, and Relief Society president. She recently accepted the best calling in the Church: Primary music leader. Despite Kurt and Kayla’s recommendation, we did not title this episode “When Salmonella Forms Friendships”. You’re welcome.

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3:00 Kurt introduces his conversation with Kayla, a recently-released Relief Society president.

4:15 Kayla tells her story of getting called to be the Relief Society president, fear, imposter syndrome, and calling counselors.

9:20 Doing ministering interviews. Take the time to check in with the sisters and see how they are doing and their relationship with God and then you can get to the ministering questions.

11:00 By sharing her story and the hard things that she has been through, Kayla has been able to deepen her connection with the women in Relief Society.

12:45 Ways that Kayla has shared her and her husband’s story of sexual addiction and been vulnerable in her ward. She has decided to remove the shame from it and has found that people have been much more open with her.

15:10 Principle 1 – Acceptance of all

17:10 How Kayla and her presidency did ministering interviews and scheduled them. They decided not to meet with the companionship but have one-on-one meetings.

19:20 Principle 2 – Lean into the awkward

22:10 Working with the bishopric and elders quorum presidency

23:30 Ward counsels, correlation meetings, and personal interviews with the bishop

24:40 Doing monthly activities

27:45 The first year of being president they didn’t call any teachers and had lots of different women teach.

30:00 The overwhelm of organizing the women into ministering routes. Just start and it will work out.

32:30 The shocking grief of being released as the Relief Society president. Kurt shares some advice on ways to still connect to people and gather.

38:00 Kayla shares her final thoughts and testimony of Christ.

Being a Young Women Mentor | An Interview with Scharman Grimmer

Sat, 04 May 2024 07:00:18 +0000

Scharman Grimmer serves as a member of the Young Women General Advisory Council for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. She has served as stake and ward Primary president; ward Young Women president, Primary and Relief Society counselor, stake Young Women camp director, Sunday School teacher, Seminary teacher, and in Primary as a music leader, teacher, and Nursery leader.

Scharman and her husband, Matt, have five children and live in Alpine, Utah. Scharman earned a bachelor’s degree in Early Childhood Education from Brigham Young University and a master’s degree in Child and Teen Development from Syracuse University. She currently works as a child and teen development specialist, consulting parents on best developmental and relationship practices and healthy habits in families.

Scharman is proud to be from Humble, Texas! Growing up in an area with few members of the Church, she learned valuable lessons as she watched her parents faithfully lead in their ward and stake. Her own experiences as an adult in Texas and New York have given her an appreciation that every member can contribute and is needed.

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3:00 Getting called to be a part of the young women’s general advisory council.

5:20 What does Scharman’s calling entail?

Council meetings
Working groups

7:30 Scharman has a masters degree in child and teen development and has been able to use her degree not only professionally but in her calling and personal life. She works a lot with parents and helps them find holy, healthy habits as a family.

8:50 Her experience in Young Women started as a young woman herself and callings in Young Women in her early twenties. She learned to mentor.

12:00 How can you become a mentor for youth? Scharman shares scriptural examples.

15:45 Leading youth to have covenant relationships. The focus of the Young Men and Young Women programs is to build a foundation on Christ. Gathering to Christ.

17:20 Do what works for the youth. Sometimes you have to switch it up for the group you have.

21:40 Build on Christ as your foundation, gather to Christ, and covenant with Christ. The focus of the youth programs are based on these three things.

22:45 What is an AOA? Area Organization Advisors. Women around the world that are trained by the general presidencies and then take those teachings and minister to the people in their areas.

24:00 How can we get the Young Women and Young Men groups to work together better?

27:20 Studies show that participation in religion as teenagers doesn’t mean belonging. When youth are connected to five or more adult members of their congregation and they feel known, seen, loved, and cared about, their feeling of belonging goes sky high.

30:30 How can we make youth-led activities? They need to be idea generators and the adults are the support team.

33:40 Helping stimulate activities with the youth

38:00 Youth can tell when you are genuine and authentic. Be open with your struggles but be careful of oversharing.

41:00 Helping the youth with emotional resilience. Combining the skills of mental health with the gospel of Jesus Christ’s eternal truths is what is life changing. The Church has an emotional resilience course that is a resource for youth age 16 and older.

46:45 Girls camp. Have a strong group of YCLs. Have youth leaders help pick a scriptural theme.

50:15 Questions that Scharman hears the most

How do you balance leaders and the young women speaking in class?
How do you work together with the young men’s presidency?

51:45 Scharman’s final thoughts and testimony

How I Lead as Area Mission Medical Advisor | An Interview with Bryan Murray

Wed, 01 May 2024 12:04:13 +0000

Bryan Murray was born and raised in Long Beach, California, served in the Japan Sendai mission, and met his future wife, Kristine Clawson, while attending Brigham Young University when they went skiing together with their home evening group. Bryan attended medical school at the University of Kentucky then completed an internal medicine residency with the UCSF San Joaquin Valley Program. He worked with a small group practice in Payson, Utah, before moving the family to Anacortes, Washington, where he joined a small internal medicine group and helped start a hospitalist program at Island Hospital in Anacortes.

Bryan has served in five bishoprics and as bishop of the Anacortes Ward. He retired from medicine in February 2022 and two short months later he and Kristine began a full-time mission as Area Medical Advisor to the North America Northeast Area. They also filled a mission assignment as support to a Young Single Adult branch in the Hingham, Massachusetts Stake. Bryan currently serves as the ward music chairman and Kristine serves as the Relief Society president in the newly-created Fidalgo Island Ward in Anacortes.

Bryan and Kristine enjoy spending time with their six children, five in-laws, and 15 grandchildren. As a family they enjoy skiing, kayaking, biking, hiking, sailing, and camping.

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3:10 Kurt introduces the guest, Bryan Murray. He served as Area Medical Missionary Advisor in Boston, Massachusetts.

5:30 Bryan explains his mission as Area Medical Advisor and some of his responsibilities.

7:40 What led up to Bryan serving a mission with his wife.

11:00 Bryan shares a behind-the-scenes view of what it’s like to be a medical advisor for missionaries. What kinds of issues he dealt with.

15:15 When does a missionary need to go home? Can they stay if they have a medical problem?

16:15 Who helps with the missionaries’ mental health?

18:30 A service mission is great for missionaries that are struggling with mental health or medical problems.

19:40 Advice to bishops and stake presidents sending out missionaries that have medical issues. Helping them prepare missionaries for the field.

21:40 Some of Bryan’s wife responsibilities. They had an area assignment as medical advisors but they also had a mission assignment in the Boston mission in a Young Single Adult ward.

23:30 Bryan encourages other medical professionals to do a medical mission. You will have a lot of other experiences beyond medical.

25:30 What Bryan is doing now

26:30 Bryan has created a podcast for his ward. Even though we go to church with each other we really don’t know each other. A ward podcast can help ward members share their lives and stories.

31:00 How leading has brought Bryan to Christ

Helping People Overcome Struggle, Sin, & Mortality in 12 Steps | An Interview with Brett and Kristin Walker

Sun, 28 Apr 2024 13:40:10 +0000

Brett and Kristin Walker are a dynamic couple, each thriving in their professional and personal lives while deeply committed to their family and community. Brett is a seasoned marketing consultant specializing in professional development and deep technology sectors. He currently serves as a Young Single Adult bishop and is deeply committed to helping others grow. He’s an award-winning writer and loves the outdoors.

Kristin is a professional interior designer known for her innovative designs and attention to detail. She currently serves as a YSA Institute teacher, where she passionately teaches and shares her deep faith in Jesus. Kristin finds joy in traveling, reading, and spending time outside, cherishing every moment with her family and friends.

Together, Brett and Kristin embody a life full of adventure, faith, and continuous growth, always eager to explore new places and help others achieve their potential.

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3:45 Introduction to Brett and Kristin. Working with the young single adults and using the 12-step program in an Institute class. This program is not just for addiction but it applies to everyone.

7:10 How Brett and Kristin got involved in the 12-step program. Making it applicable to everyone through their curriculum. Helping people understand and use the Atonement in their lives.

12:15 If you are called to facilitate 12-step meetings then you need to start using the steps in your own life. The steps can bring you to Christ, improve your relationships and any problem you might have.

15:10 The program isn’t just for addiction but can help you with unrealized hopes or something you are struggling with.

16:10 The enabling power of Jesus Christ gives us power to do things we can’t do by ourselves.

17:15 Some leaders think that they are good and don’t need help because they don’t have any big problems. They are not truly using Christ’s Atonement in their lives to heal every part of them.

20:50 Does the 12-step program have to happen in a group setting? If you do things alone then you feel alone. When you do things together, it creates connection.

23:50 How Brett and Kristin run their class. It’s very tight-knit.

26:50 A summarized application of the steps

28:45 Why can’t God part your personal Red Sea?

30:00 Be careful not to adopt a label, like “I’m an addict.” It might be something that you are currently struggling with, it’s not who you are.

31:30 2 Nephi 25:23. We know we are saved by grace after all we can do. This is a confusing and misunderstood scripture. A better translation would be, ‘despite’ all we’ve done.

32:50 Brett and Kristin team-teach their class. The back and forth brings more energy and power to the class. They can both share their experiences. They recommend this approach.

34:00 Give people more bread, more Jesus. Brett has found many of the single adults in his ward stop taking the sacrament because they feel guilty but he wants them to have more Jesus in their lives, not take Him away from them.

37:30 Most of us don’t have the tools we need. The right tool makes all the difference. Create a triangle of support when working out deep problems. For example, a therapist, bishop, and support group can create a triangle of support.

40:00 The bishop is the place of resources and tools. The bishop doesn’t have to have all the answers.

41:10 Helping people find Jesus in their lives. He is the advocate. He is taking your prayers to Heavenly Father.

42:50 Kristin shares a Sherri Dew quote. Helping people past the guilt and to the hope of Jesus Christ.

43:40 Let’s talk about Jesus more. Going past our typical cultural ways of doing things to find more ways to connect with Christ in our lives.

46:00 Having daily reflection. Am I actually doing what I preach?

47:30 You can’t really serve someone without falling in love with them.

The Science of Church Meetings (including Ward Council) | An Interview with Steven Rogelberg

Thu, 25 Apr 2024 02:52:04 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in February 2020.

Dr. Steven G. Rogelberg is a professor of Organizational Science, Management, and Psychology at UNC Charlotte. The author of The Surprising Science of Meetings: How You Can Lead Your Team to Peak Performance, he is a distinguished scholar addressing issues such as team effectiveness, leadership, engagement, health and employee well-being, meetings at work, and organizational research methods.

The book is a culmination of 15 years of research and thousands of surveys and interviews. It’s a collection of evidence-based insights and represents a strategic approach that leaders and organizations can take that’s highly practical and accessible, but also strongly based in science. In this interview, Steve talks with Kurt about applying the insights from his book to improving meetings in the Church environment. This presentation of this episode was originally included in the Meetings With Saints Virtual Conference, which is now part of the Core Leader Library.

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5:00 We know one thing but tend to do a different thing, but there is no formula for meeting success. Instead the key is making good choices, which is more empowering.
7:00 Steve’s experience with members of the Church
8:15 The cost of meetings is underestimated
11:00 Being self-aware as a meeting leader: stewardship and making changes
13:40 Things to reflect on that are signs that there needs to be improvement
14:30 Start with a quick survey, then work on the little things and assess later
17:00 Talking as the leader vs. leading the discussion
20:00 Transparency and honesty allows you to lead from the back or the front in a genuine way
21:10 Three phases of the meeting: planning/designing, facilitating, and post-meeting activity
21:50 Planning a meeting is not time consuming and has a high return on investment
23:45 Taking a “pre-mortem” moment before the meeting
25:00 Agendas are a hollow crutch: what matters most is what is on that agenda and how it is facilitated

Frame the agenda as a set of questions to be answered
Allow other people to different agenda items
Put the most important/compelling issues first

30:10 Parkinson’s Law: Work expands to fill whatever time is allotted

How much time should it take? Dial it back a bit and create time pressure
Volunteer time is a precious gift: build trust by respecting it

35:00 Combating minutiae in meetings by making meeting time incredibly purposeful
38:00 Councils and update meetings

What is a good update? Decide and then put people on the clock
Silent updates via a shared document

41:20 Silence in a meeting is a way of engaging people
44:25 Technology in a meeting: multitasking is a symptom of a bad meeting

Keep meeting minutes in real time on the screen instead of a powerpoint
People focused on their phones is actually feedback

47:00 Avoiding the meeting that should have been an email

Recording your voice with the message you want to give and sending it out
Start the meeting with questions about the message(s) you sent out

49:30 Presentations in meetings: have the person write their ideas in a document, then discuss it in the meeting
51:30 Where to find his book and research on the science of meetings

What Your Ward Thinks About Priesthood Authority, Temple Marriage, & Brigham Young | An Interview with Josh Coates

Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:54:22 +0000

Josh Coates studied computer science at UC Berkeley and is the executive director of the B.H. Roberts Foundation.

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The Unique Opportunity Local Leaders Have to Encourage Faith Among Latter-day Saint Millennials | An Interview with Jana Riess
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3:20 Introduction to Josh Coates, one of the founders of the B.H. Roberts Foundation and Mormoner. They write short articles on controversial topics.

5:45 Who is B.H. Roberts? Why is the foundation named after him?

9:20 Josh and his foundation began a research project surveying Latter Day Saints.

16:00 Creating the survey in order to have useful data. You have to be very careful when formulating questions.

18:15 What were they looking to find out in the survey?

21:30 It seems like people are leaving the Church in droves. Is that really true?

23:30 They have found that there are two types of Latter-day Saints according to their analysis.

Cluster 1 – 80% are pretty orthodox. Follow closely to the commandments and are very active in the Church.
Cluster 2 – 20% are scattered in their beliefs even if they identify as Latter-day Saints.

29:40 Millennials are dramatically represented in the 20% of members that have scattered beliefs. We worry about Gen-Z a lot but maybe we are overlooking the millennials.

33:30 The cultural evolution of the Church has improved over the last 20 to 30 years but there have also been things that have eroded the foundation of people’s faith.

34:00 The difference between the different generations in the Church. Why are millennials struggling so much compared to other generations?

35:15 How can leaders better approach or talk to millennials? Separating policy and doctrine.

39:30 The data that Josh found on marriage and divorce in the Church. They found that temple marriages are a big deal.

42:00 Research on moral foundation theory. The five foundational values that go into making a decision:

Will it hurt someone?
Is it fair?
Loyalty
Authority
Purity

52:00 The survey data on LGBTQ members of The Church of those that have left The Church and their view on marriage

54:30 Resources and places to go to find out more about Josh’s work.

56:00 Josh’s encouragement to Church leaders

How I Lead in Freetown, Sierra Leone | An Interview with Sahr Doe

Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:12:34 +0000

Sahr Doe found the Church when he was eight years old but could not be baptized until he was 13. His mission was delayed due to the Sierra Leone civil war, and at age 21 he was called into his Young Men presidency. He was then among the first missionaries to attend the Accra Ghana Missionary Training Center, and served in the Nigeria Lagos/Ibadan mission where he was an assistant to the mission president for 12 months. Two weeks after his mission he returned to the Ghana MTC as a tutor and driver for 18 months.

Sahr served as district high counselor in the Freetown Sierra Leone district before being called as counselor in the district presidency. He then served as administrative assistant to the mission president of the Ghana Accra mission, Sierra Leone zone, while working as physical facilities manager for Sierra Leone. On his release from the district presidency, Sahr was called as the elders quorum president in his branch, then as branch president. He left to attend Brigham Young University-Hawaii for one semester, without his wife and son, but had an accident while working at the Polynesian Cultural Center and returned to Sierra Leone. He then started a construction company and was called as the secretary to the mission presidency, then as counselor to the mission president.

When the 2014 Ebola virus outbreak sent the mission president, senior couples, and missionaries to Ghana, Sahr stayed as acting assistant to the president. He later assisted with orienting new mission leaders to the country and was called again as counselor to the president. In 2016 he was involved in a serious accident that left him partially paralyzed, and in 2017 was released from the mission presidency and called as secretary to the Area Seventy. He currently serves on the Kossoh Town stake high council.

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2:45 Kurt introduces Sahr Doe and his background.

4:40 Sahr shares his conversion story. He was baptized at 13-years-old. He has been a member since 1993.

6:30 Making the decision to serve a mission and the civil war in Sierra Leone

7:50 What the church is like now in Sierra Leone in 2024

10:00 Sahr’s leadership callings

12:40 Getting called as branch president

14:00 Responsibilities while serving in the mission presidency

16:15 Working with the young missionaries and teaching them that with a willing heart nothing is impossible.

19:50 Sahr’s advice to missionaries that will go to serve in his country

20:55 Sahr is currently serving on the high council. He describes some of his responsibilities.

21:30 Being grateful amidst the challenges that present the people in Sierra Leone

24:00 Find an excuse to win no matter what you are going through.

27:30 You are in control of your pain.

29:30 Sahr shares a powerful leadership experience. When Sahr overlooked a man for a calling the Lord reminded him that whom the Lord calls, He qualifies.

33:50 More leadership stories and things Sahr learned from them

36:00 The principle of listening. Listen to people as our Heavenly Father listens to our prayers.

39:40 Great followers become great leaders and great leaders become great followers

Making Repentance Hopeful | An Interview With Nate Sharp

Sat, 13 Apr 2024 13:44:33 +0000

Dr. Nate Sharp is a scholar and academic leader who currently serves as Dean of the Mays Business School at Texas A&M University. He was born in Salt Lake City, Utah, served in the Korea Seoul West Mission, then taught Korean at the Missionary Training Center in Provo, Utah, while attending Brigham Young University.

Nate graduated from BYU’s Marriott School of Business with bachelor’s and master’s degrees in accounting and later completed a PhD at the University of Texas at Austin. During his time at Texas A&M, Nate has served in multiple leadership positions, received multiple awards recognizing excellence in research and teaching, and been widely published in top peer-reviewed scholarly journals..

Nate married Holly Carroll, they are the parents of five children, and their oldest daughter is currently serving in the Peru Lima Central Mission. Nate has previously served as an elders quorum president, ward Young Men president, ward executive secretary, bishopric counselor, high councilor, and bishop. He currently serves as stake president in the College Station Texas Stake, a calling he has held since 2016.

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Linking Every Sacrament Meeting to Christ | An Interview with Thomas Griffith
Thomas Griffith’s BYU Speech: The Very Root of Christian Doctrine
Why Every Ward Needs Digital Ward Missionaries
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2:30 In a previous episode, Nate talked about having digital missionaries for the ward and the blog they created and the impact it made.

4:30 Getting called as stake president

8:40 Their stake has a large number of single adults. The recent changes to put singles and students in leadership has created lots of positive change in the singles ward.

10:45 Nate currently works for Texas A&M and is the dean of the Mays Business School.

12:30 The role of being a dean is about building relationships, selfless service, and elevating the school. The values they have on campus have created an environment similar to BYU.

19:30 Stimulating a positive culture as a stake president. They set a vision of creating a culture and doctrine of belonging. Including more students in leadership opportunities even if they won’t be there very long.

22:50 Approach to mentoring bishops and helping them establish culture in their wards

25:30 The bishop has the opportunity to demonstrate to the youth hopeful repentance.

28:15 How can bishops apply this idea of hopeful repentance? Let the youth know you are proud of them for coming forward with their sins. Share hope filled conference talks about repentance. The more modern resources the better.

35:00 Creating a Christ centered sacrament meeting. Helping people feel lifted up and not weighed down after sacrament meeting.

45:00 Christ is our advocate and pleads our cause. Nate shares Doctrine & Covenants 45:3-5.

50:00 Overcoming our view that our relationship with God is transactional.

55:00 John 5:38-40. Getting over the checklist mentality. The scriptures are an instrument to lead us to Jesus Christ.

1:00:40 Seeing how Jesus changes people’s lives and brings back their testimonies

Stimulating Sunday School Discussion… But Not Too Much | An Interview with Julie Hillyard

Wed, 10 Apr 2024 07:00:16 +0000

Julie McAllister Hillyard was raised in Vancouver, Washington, served in the Philippines Bacolod Mission, and graduated from Brigham Young University with a degree in Psychology. She taught classes to male inmates and mentored female inmates at the Utah State Prison before and as she launched her career. Julie had the privilege of working and traveling with Dr. Stephen R. Covey, author of The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, and worked with him as he developed and wrote The 8th Habit. She joined him as he consulted with leaders of countries and companies and helped him prepare and deliver presentations to audiences around the world.

Julie has served in various teaching callings, including as an Institute instructor, Relief Society teacher and president, Sunday School and Gospel Doctrine teacher, and Young Women leader. She currently teaches a stake adult religion class and the high school seniors Sunday School class in her ward. Julie is married with three fabulous kids, owns a pickleball paddle company with her husband, and does consulting work in leadership and communications. She is also a host on the Teaching Restored podcast.

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Teaching Sunday School with Questions | An Interview with Kevin Jones
The Power of Learner Councils | A How I Lead Interview with Russell Rigby
The Art of Gathering: How We Meet and Why It Matters, by Pria Parker
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2:10 Kurt introduces Julie Hillyard, the co-host of the podcast Teaching Restored. She shares what the podcast is about.

4:00 Julie’s professional background and experience in teaching. She currently teaches the adult religion class for her stake.

6:20 She worked for Stephen Covey, the author of 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. She shares her experience.

11:00 Julie’s stake offers an adult religion class on Tuesdays and Julie teaches it. It’s for people that want to dive more into the scriptures together. It’s like an institute class for adults.

15:30 Inviting discussion can be a vulnerable way to teach but invites something special. Balance discussion and teaching.

17:40 Her class isn’t about teaching all the content of Come Follow Me but setting people up for further study at home. It lines up with the Come Follow Me lessons.

20:00 Finding simplicity on the far side of complexity. As a teacher you have to dig through the weeds to arrive at what you need to focus on in your class. Discussions can be rich if they are facilitated in the right way.

22:00 Best practices for teaching the youth

Be real. No fluff. Don’t talk about the superficial stuff.
Connect on a casual level before teaching them. Build their trust with you first.

25:20 How to be real with the youth when teaching them. Bring your vulnerability to get vulnerability back. Engage in their vulnerabilities and empathize with them. Make every individual in the class feel seen, heard, and valued.

27:50 Don’t try to do too much with the youth. Julie recommends not breaking off into groups but in pairs. It works better to get them talking and so that people don’t hide in the background.

29:40 When your problem is too much discussion and your lesson is going all over the place. Balancing lecture and discussion.

32:00 Instead of a teachers council create a learners council. Teach people how to be better learners. Lay ground rules as the facilitator of the class so that the conversation and discussion moves the class forward and not all over the place.

37:00 We can create a culture in Sunday school. It can be awkward depending on how the teacher responds to comments and the questions they ask.

39:40 Set rules of gathering. Have people consider if their comment is helping move the lesson forward, how long their comment is, and how many times they comment.

43:30 The reason you have rules of engagement is to create a safe space for everyone. A comment can connect people or disconnect people.

47:20 Creating connection in Sunday school. As a teacher you have the ability to hurt people and shut them down. You have to be very careful. Make people feel not just heard but understood.

55:20 Julie shares when she first started teaching she was so focused on teaching that she forgot about applying.

Becoming an Influencer Instead of a Consumer | An Interview with Kempe Nicoll

Wed, 03 Apr 2024 07:00:52 +0000

Kempe Nicoll is the campus director at Eagle Gate College in Layton, Utah. He also manages the social media channels for Declare My Word. These accounts post gospel-related content intended to share light and truth, making it easy for social media users to share positive messages on their own feeds. Kempe served as a missionary in Estonia in 1996 and currently serves as a new Bishop in Bountiful, Utah. Previously, he served many years as a young men’s and Stake Mission Prep leader. He and his wife, Rachelle, are the parents of six children.

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The Silent Burdens of Men in Elders Quorum | An Interview with Joe Speredon

Sat, 30 Mar 2024 06:59:47 +0000

Hailing from the heart of Utah, Joe Speredon’s diverse background and experience led him into leadership within men’s work. Having embarked on his own path of crisis and self-discovery, Joe discovered the healing nature of brotherhood and masculine support. From that place he founded the Utah Men’s Circle and later the Algiz Guard. Working with Sacred Sons and many other influential leaders and groups, Joe has had the opportunity to travel all over the world, meet men from diverse backgrounds, and guide them through their own healing and evolution as a coach, leader and inspirational speaker. Joe currently serves in the Church as a Sunday School teacher and as a stake emergency preparedness specialist.

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UtahMensCircle.com Instagram: @utahmenscircle Facebook: Utah Men’s Circle AlgizGuard.com Instagram: @thealgizguard Facebook: The Algiz Guard The Intentional Father: A Practical Guide to Raise Sons of Courage and Character There is already a discussion started about this podcast. Share your thoughts here.

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1:40 Introduction to Joe Speredon and his background 4:20 Joe shares why mens work is so important to him and how he got started in it. 6:00 Too many men are suffering in silence. However, when men open up they will find that they are suffering with the same things. 8:00 We have the engine (elders quorum) but we don’t know how to turn it on. We need men to be courageous enough to open up during elders quorum. 10:00 What is brotherhood? We’ve had a cultural shift that the cool thing is to be a lone wolf. Men think they have to do it all and do it alone. 14:30 The war that we fight is mostly against ourselves. The idea of brotherhood is it’s me against myself and having brothers to help us be the best version of ourselves. 15:30 How can an elders quorum president stimulate brotherhood in Sunday meetings?

Take off your own mask as the leader. Be open with your struggles.
Be the first to be vulnerable and authentic and others will follow.

17:30 Joe created the Utah Men’s Circle, a gathering twice a month for a couple hours, a time to check in and talk about how you are really feeling. 21:40 Have less formal gatherings and activities to connect and have conversations. 23:00 Doing men’s work outside of elders quorum. We need to create a place for active and inactive members to connect without preaching. 26:00 The vilification of men and toxic masculinity 30:30 Due to wounding and conditioning and because they are mortal, men can turn into:

The sadist, meaning I’m going to hurt you before you hurt me
The masochist, meaning I’m going to hurt me before you can hurt me

32:00 To become more realigned is more than just getting your behaviors in check. You have to know where you are going and why you are doing it. 33:50 An archetype that gets thrown around a lot and is related to toxic masculinity is “king”. We can have a reframing of the word king by doing self work. 36:40 As a society we have lost a lot of rights of passage for young men. We need to be giving young men opportunities to set up from boyhood to manhood. 40:10 Resources for fathers and men to find ways to step up and change. 42:10 Unrighteous dominion is another way to say toxic masculinity. What exactly is unrighteous dominion? 43:20 We are teaching young men that what you do is not so much the problem but it’s about how everyone else feels about what you are doing. Instead, we need to help them focus on WHY they did what they did. 47:40 Joe wasn’t called to do men’s circle or help men but he reminds us that we don’t have to be commanded in all things and we should be anxiously engaged in good causes.

Bearded Bishops, Rated-R Movies, & the Honor Code | An Interview with John Hilton III

Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:28:27 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in April 2020. John Hilton III was born in San Francisco and grew up in Seattle. He served a mission in Denver and earned a bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University, where he met his wife, Lani. They have lived in Boise, Boston, Miami, Mexico, Jerusalem, and China. Currently they live in Utah, and have six children. John has a master’s degree from Harvard and a PhD from Brigham Young University, both in Education. John is a professor of Religious Education at BYU. John has published several books with Deseret Book, including Considering the Cross and his latest book, Voices in the Book of Mormon. He is also the author of the podcast and video series, “The Book of Mormon: A Master Class.” John loves being with his family, doing humanitarian work, learning Chinese, and performing magic.

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The Founder of Our Peace: Christ-Centered Patterns for Easing Worry, Stress, and Fear John’s article discussing this topic: A Fence Around the Law – Safety Net or Beam in Our Eye John Hilton III books John’s education research There is already a discussion started about this podcast. Share your thoughts here.

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7:04 John quotes President Uchtdorf addressing the many “shoulds” and “should nots” that become a challenge in our lives. We can lose peace in our lives when we focus on admittedly good ideas, but aren’t grounded in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. 8:50 What are “Fence Laws”? Imagine an unfillable hole in your backyard, which poses a threat to children who may fall in. You therefore put a fence around this hole, which represents sin. The fence represents the protective effort against anybody falling into the sin. 9:45 We are already protected from sins by commandments, which John refers to as “core laws”. Yet some still feel the need to add additional “fence laws”. E.g.:

Core Law: The law of chastity, i.e., no sexual relations outside of marriage
Fence Law: No kissing until the fourth date, and kiss will last no longer than five seconds
Fence Law: No going into the bedroom of a member of the opposite sex

10:47 Some fence laws have prophetic sources, like those found in the For the Strength of Youth, etc. There is a goodness to fence laws as guided by the Spirit or other divine sources, like prophets. 13:57 Examples of positive fence laws 15:22 Dangers of focusing on the fence laws while forgetting the commandments: “I didn’t go into the bedroom of a member of the opposite sex, but I still broke the law of chastity.” Children need fences, but the choices should shift away from extrinsic fences to self-imposed fences. 16:50 Too many good fences can become a burden. 22:58 “Take my yoke upon you” meaning 25:49 Ward traditions that become fences 28:56 Allowing the Spirit to fill in the details around prophetic direction 30:14 Anecdotes where a personal fence laws caused harm:

Unrighteous judgment
Offending others
Teaching others incorrectly

43:20 Fences should help us feel the Holy Ghost 45:50 Leading Saints’ contribution to fence laws: learning by seeking to understand the purpose behind a fence 48:14 How to step back from the rush to judgment 51:48 When to correct and when to ignore as leaders 53:10 Did we become members of Christ’s church in order to argue with others what true discipleship looks like? Paul, when using dietary habits as an example of arguing over something inconsequential, said “For meat, destroy not the work of God.” (Romans 14:20) 55:14 “The work of God” and your role, the bishop’s role, and our common goal. 58:01 Trusting prophets as “seers”, even if we can’t “see” the point of their counsel 1:00:08 Review of four key points:

It’s good to have spirit-driven fence laws
Some fence laws can be burdensome
Know the mark: loving God and loving our neighbors
Judging others over fence laws, and teaching doctrine

1:00:35 “Lord, is it I?” mode: Who needs to hear this podcast? Look inward 1:02:58 Upward empathy toward leaders 1:04:18 Conclusion

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Part 1: Changing Church Culture by Gathering the Saints | An Interview with Jacob Hansen

Sat, 23 Mar 2024 07:00:36 +0000

Jacob Hansen grew up immersed in and passionate about ideas about the world. He grew up near Sparks, Nevada, in a blue-collar family with parents who now serve as a State Senator and in the Nevada State Assembly. He served a Church mission to Argentina and attended both Brigham Young University and BYU-Hawaii, graduating with a degree in Operations/Supply Chain Management. He then partnered with another recent-grad to start a company that continues to grow. Jacob married his college sweetheart, Erica, and they have four children. He loves just about anything that takes him on an adventure.

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Part 2: Changing Church Culture by Gathering the Saints | Jacob Hansen and the Long Beach East Stake
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1:40 Introduction to Jacob Hansen, the creator of Thoughtful Faith YouTube channel.

3:10 A part of Jacob’s YouTube channel are formal debates. Listening to Christian vs Atheist debates saved Jacob’s testimony.

6:30 Contrast is what creates clarity. That’s why Jacob likes to talk to people that disagree with him and have debates.

7:30 Should most people debate? Formal debate is a skill set and not recommended for everyone. It’s not a good way to minister to someone.

10:00 Although argument doesn’t create conviction and belief, a lack of argument destroys the climate where belief can flourish.

11:30 Interest-based programs. Why are they important in the Church? We can combine values and people’s interests to create a great experience.

17:00 Ministry should happen at a ward level but when it comes to interest based activities you can do them at a stake level. Stop forcing people to go to activities they have no interest in.

20:30 We need to gather in these sub-interest groups for community and human connection between the saints. It’s not about entertainment.

22:00 How can Relief Society presidents and elders quorum presidents begin to implement interest-based activities? It can happen at the ward level but it’s easier for stake leaders because there are lots of people.

26:45 More people will engage in these interest-based activities because it’s actually something they are interested in. It’s also something that non members will show up to. Activities are a much better way to do missionary work.

29:30 These activities are not a ploy to get people baptized but we are bringing the Spirit into someone’s life and then they can decide what they want to do with it. We are facilitating opportunities and loving people.

34:00 Ultimately life is about being one with God and one with each other. The most valuable thing that we have in our lives is our relationships. That’s why we do what we do. That’s why we are building community and groups.

35:50 What about the budget? Start with activities that you don’t need a budget for, such as a yoga night or jujitsu night.

38:00 Why not just do these activities outside the church entirely?

38:30 What if your idea isn’t supported by the bishop or other leaders?

40:30 Liability for these activities. How do we deal with it? Create a simple waiver.

42:30 The point is not the activities themselves. It’s about the vision.

48:00 Thoughts on being a leader

From Stake President to Regional Rep | An Interview with Douglas McKinlay

Wed, 20 Mar 2024 07:00:57 +0000

Doug McKinlay has a masters degree from Brigham Young University in Mass Communications, ran his own successful $35MM company for 17 years, and won national awards for advertising results and creativity. He has also taught as faculty at Brigham Young University for 16 years. Doug loves serving his fellow beings. In the Church, callings have included service as an elders quorum president, ward and stake Young Men president, stake executive secretary, stake high council, stake president and counselor, Regional Representative of the Twelve, mission president, and bishop.

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3:10 Introduction and background to Doug McKinlay 4:30 Doug shares his background of growing up in Utah. His career and leadership experience in the Church. He has served numerous callings such as stake president, counselor in the stake presidency, regional representative, and mission president. He is now 82 years old. 16:00 Getting called as stake president and calling counselors 20:20 Back in the day they used to fly stake presidencies into Salt Lake for leadership meetings in the Tabernacle. President Packer taught that the handbook is the what of church leadership and the scriptures are the how of church leadership. 21:50 When he was released as stake president he was called as a Regional Representative of the Twelve. Douglas explains the responsibilities and duties of this calling. 28:15 In the 80’s and 90’s they had regional conferences for all members and a member of the twelve would be there. As regional representative he would organize it. 29:30 As part of his calling, Doug was always there when a stake president was called and he also helped with training. 32:20 Doug helped President Hinckley find temple sites. 33:40 He served as regional rep for five years and then was called as mission president. Douglas describes the process and interviews he had before getting called. President Faust was the one who called him. 37:40 Doug was mission president in Tucson, Arizona. The mission was quite disobedient at the time and it took about a year to turn the ship around. 40:15 Shifting the mission culture. Making obedience cool. 42:15 Doug created doctrinal diagrams. Creating these diagrams helped with visual learning. 45:40 Get out from behind the desk and do what you proclaim. When Doug was stake president he figuratively released himself and called himself on a stake mission for a month. Focusing on mission work they were able to finally not only reach their baptismal goal but go over it. 49:50 What is your advice on having to get up and speak to an audience? Be timely and topical, as President Hinckley was. 52:00 He skipped being bishop and went straight to being stake president but in his sixties he was called as a bishop. 55:00 Doug is now 82 years old and is in a new phase of life. He gets to let others lead. 55:40 Doug’s final thoughts on being a follower and being a leader

What Every Bishop Needs to Understand About Betrayal Trauma | An Interview with Ashly Leavitt

Sat, 16 Mar 2024 15:28:11 +0000

Ashly Leavitt has an associate degree in theatre and music, a bachelor’s degree in broadcast communications, and a master’s degree in clinical mental health counseling. After a 10-year career as an educator, Heavenly Father made it clear that He wanted her to shift to counseling and specialize in betrayal trauma recovery, relationship repair, and divorce recovery. Ashly loves helping those who have experienced betrayal trauma to discover and reconnect with themselves again. As a co-founder of Rejoice! Recovery, she enjoys using her educator and counselor experiences together to create classes on healing and relationships, leading discussions on boundaries, and co-hosting the podcast, Phoenix Forte: Connecting to Healing and Joy After Divorce. You can catch Ashly presenting at conferences and retreats. On Sunday, you’ll find her serving in her all-time-favorite calling as a Relief Society instructor. Ashly has previously served in Primary and Young Women’s Presidencies, but she’s been honored to serve by teaching Relief Society in multiple wards over the last 12 years. However, Ashly’s biggest accomplishment is managing to survive as a single mom of two. During her free time (if such a thing exists) you would find Ashly supporting the local theatre scene, playing board games with friends and family, participating in the Lamb of God Easter production on Temple Square, and laughing with her kids while they dance in the kitchen together.

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2:10 What is betrayal trauma? Why do church leaders need to understand it? 4:10 Ashly explains betrayal trauma and the sub-behaviors that come along with it. Betrayal trauma has lots of side effects on your health. 7:45 A common source of betrayal trauma is sexual infidelity. 9:00 The “hit by a truck” analogy. The importance of focusing on the person that was betrayed or wounded. Too often we focus on fixing the person that is looking at pornography or being unfaithful. 13:15 The other behaviors that normally come with cheating or viewing pornography. There are abuse tactics, such as lying, gaslighting, blaming, and defensiveness. 15:30 What is gaslighting? Making someone question the truth and their own sanity. Making them second guess themselves. A lot of women have their intuition saying that something is off but their husband makes them feel like they are crazy. 18:00 Often the shame spiral keeps people from telling the whole truth. They are scared of what people will think if they share everything that is going on. In cheating scenarios the wife feels something off but the husband says they are fine. 18:50 Bishops should work with the individuals instead of the marriage. Talk to the husband and wife separately so that they can speak their truth and get validation. 19:45 Everybody in the relationship is trying to maintain control. Wives try to control the behaviors and situations to feel safe and stop from getting hurt again. 22:20 The bishop isn’t supposed to be the one healing everyone. Don’t take on roles that aren’t yours. 23:30 What should leaders and couples consider when the betrayal bomb goes off? 25:20 A great question that a bishop can ask is, “How can I help you feel safe?” Prioritize safety and not the emotions of the betrayer. 28:30 The push from the wife to “punish” their husband by taking away the sacrament or membership council. They are trying to fix the problem but it’s not theirs to fix. 31:30 Shame makes people want to hide and not tell anyone so finding a safe place to share and a support group for those in recovery is important. 35:20 What can we do to help the children in these situations? 38:10 The importance of boundaries and the process of forgiveness 44:30 Appropriate disclosure and things leaders should keep in mind 46:00 Leaders want to save families because they are eternal but we need to keep in mind that the worth of souls is great in the sight of God. Focus on the person and the healing and put a pause on talking about eternal families. 49:00 The prize or end game isn’t to have a healed marriage but a healed person—having a person that feels connected to Christ. Even if the marriage ends in divorce, those healed individuals are still beautiful and miraculous. 51:00 How can bishops find the right help? Therapists need special training in betrayal trauma. Use psycologytoday.com and use filters to find the right therapist. 54:30 A resource that Ashly recommends is a book called The Choice to Leave Abuse, by Ryan Anderson. 55:30 Many leaders think that their ward is the exception and there aren’t abuse problems or pornography problems. There is so much more than you think. 56:45 Start having more conversations and break the taboo on talking about abuse. 59:30 Ashly’s final encouragement to church leaders

Sons of Thunder in Elders Quorum | An Interview with Aaron Jaussi

Thu, 14 Mar 2024 16:12:20 +0000

Aaron Jaussi grew up in Riverton, Utah, in “the best family that someone could ask for.” He is the second of five children and grew up an active member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He earned a bachelor’s degree in Plant Science/Horticulture from Utah State University and currently works for Intermountain Farmer’s Association (IFA). Aaron and his amazing wife, Christa, have been married for nearly 14 years, have five great kids ranging in ages from 12 years to 10 months, and currently live in Payson, Utah. His church leadership has included service as a Young Men president, bishopric counselor, high councilor, and currently as elders quorum president.

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3:15 Aaron is an elders quorum president in Payson, Utah, and is working on a side project called Sons of Thunder, a blog that is focused on men and helping them connect with positive masculinity. 4:30 Aaron shares his background. 5:30 Why Aaron started his project, Sons of Thunder. It began with reading the book Wild at Heart. Aaron shares things that resonated with him from the book and started him on the journey of self reflection and understanding manhood. 11:00 Those calls to do more or calls to repentance are a call to adventure. You can shift your attitude towards your duties and responsibilities as a man and church member. Think of all the people you can meet and help. 15:30 Starting his blog and website. How Sons of Thunder was born. The main purpose is for men to share their stories and thoughts on masculinity and other topics. 21:20 Elders quorum is refreshingly engaged. 22:50 How the Sons of Thunder shows up in his elders quorum and things that have made the quorum successful. 24:40 What makes a good elders quorum teacher? How do they engage the men? 25:30 Working together as an elders quorum presidency. Having consistent meetings. 27:00 How they do visits and interact with everyone active or inactive 28:30 Doing birthday cards and visiting people for their birthday 30:30 Annual men’s retreat. A great way for men in the ward to connect with food, games, and a devotional. They keep it simple. 32:40 Using group messaging for the quorum instead of just email 34:10 Wild at Heart can be a great resource to use as an elders quorum president to tap into the hearts of men and help them. 35:40 The gospel is individual.

So You’ve Been Called as Stake President: Now What?

Sat, 09 Mar 2024 08:00:49 +0000

In this solo episode, Kurt reflects on his suggestions from a series of newsletter messages for stake presidents.

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3:00 Be intentional about your leadership and it will reach more people. 4:00 Kurt served as a bishop and then served in a stake presidency. 5:40 Principle one – Lead the leaders NOT the stake 9:05 Principle two – Consider mandatory stake programs and themes 11:40 Principle three – How to lighten the load through overcommunication 13:45 Principle four – Minimizing targets 16:00 Principle five – Shepherding the lost 19:00 Principle six- Empower the stake Relief Society president 20:30 Principle seven – Being a stake president also has to do with the president’s wife. Invite her into the experience. 22:30 Principle eight – Take a three year reset

How I Lead as a Digital Missionary | An Interview with Clint Argyle

Wed, 06 Mar 2024 15:30:00 +0000

Clint Argyle has served in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints since his youth, in several quorum presidencies. He served a mission in Calgary, Canada, and more recently he and his wife served as full-time senior missionaries and director at the Oakland California Temple Visitors’ Center. He has also served as first counselor in a stake presidency, on stake high council, as a bishop, and scoutmaster/NYLT leader. Clint received his associates degree from Utah Valley University, bachelors from Brigham Young University’s Marriot School of Business, and is a humanitarian, investor, and entrepreneur, and enjoys doing good. He and his wife have four children and seven grandchildren and enjoy spending time with family and friends.

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3:15 Clint’s background and his senior mission in Oakland, California. He and his wife served as visitor center directors for the Oakland temple. 7:00 The responsibilities of a visitors center director.

Be full time missionaries
Keep the operation running
Train other missionaries
Promote and market the visitors center to the local community

7:40 Clint has a background in business and marketing that he was able to use to help him know how to market the visitor center. He also got help from a friend to do digital marketing. He worked on creating a digital presence for the center. 12:00 When covid hit they went home and focused solely on digital marketing. They figured out how to do virtual tours on Zoom and were able to do 900 virtual tours. People were still able to have a spiritual experience online. 14:00 You can be a digital missionary wherever you are. 14:40 Something that is important to consider is that people are always looking for reviews. The three main places people look are Google Reviews, Yelp, and Trip Advisor. As members we can leave reviews for the temple, church building, and visitors center. They asked everyone who visited the visitors center to leave a review. 19:00 There are so many ways to do missionary work without having to awkwardly go talk to your neighbor. You never know if just leaving a review can help someone. 19:00 It’s powerful when members and missionaries work together as digital missionaries. The Idaho Falls and Oakland Visitors’ Centers took off thanks to reviews. 22:30 If you go to a church history site on vacation you can leave a review and that is your digital missionary work. Where else could you post about your experience? 26:30 Temple open houses are great opportunities for missionary work. Even before it’s dedicated you can help the google algorithm by driving over to the site using maps. Take pictures and upload them. 30:30 Does digital missionary work and marketing really work? Clint shares some of the results they have seen from just leaving reviews on Tripadvisor and Google. 35:50 Rules on creating websites and doing digital marketing. It has to be in conjunction with the church. 37:20 As a leader you can influence those you lead to leave reviews. You don’t have to limit yourself to one. You can be a light online. 38:40 Clint’s final thoughts on leadership

Allowing Our Pain to Turn Us to Christ | An Interview with Joy McCullough

Sun, 03 Mar 2024 20:52:34 +0000

Joy McCullough is a Protestant, Evangelical with a background in professional counseling. She is the wife of Pastor Jeff McCullough, the creator of the YouTube channel Hello Saints. She has four children and recently relocated to Utah from St. Louis. Joy spends a lot of time doing photography, thrifting, and playing violin, along with staring at the Wasatch Mountains. She completed her undergraduate degree in speech communication from Greenville University and received a Masters in Professional Counseling from Liberty University in Virginia. Joy is not afraid of her own or other people’s brokenness. She has a heart for creating space for people to come as they are and to find true healing and hope through authenticity and honesty, free from shame. Her faith in Jesus informs this passion and approach.

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3:50 Introduction to Joy, a therapist and wife of Pastor Jeff from Hello Saints

4:50 What moving to Utah has been like as someone that isn’t LDS

6:30 Joy’s faith development and journey

10:00 The stigma of being a pastor’s wife and high expectations of other people

11:10 Advice to a pastor’s or bishop’s wife

14:15 Journey to becoming a therapist

17:00 Religion and shame. We don’t experience God’s love and grace through shame.

21:40 Helping someone through their shame

26:40 There is no shame in having a need or desire. You deserve to have your needs met and don’t need to feel shame.

28:30 When we feel broken we often feel shame. When people feel shame it’s because they have some sort of need. However, brokenness is an opportunity to receive and feel God’s love and grace.

32:30 How can a bishop help someone buried in shame?

34:00 Joy shares an experience she had as a teen with an abusive pastor. She carried shame from the experience for many years. However, she was able to heal by instead of saying what is wrong with me? But what happened to me?

36:00 We focus so much on the sin and behavior but we should ask what happened? Why are we going towards sin? What led to the addiction?

38:00 Sin destroys our identity. Knowing and feeling the love of God. Do you understand and feel your belovedness?

39:45 Even with grace our lives will not be pain free. We can experience grace but we are going to have to experience grief and sorrow.

41:00 Wounding and brokenness. We have to allow our pain to lead us to Jesus and not sinful behavior.

44:00 When we hyperfocus on the behaviors we bypass our hearts, we bypass our feelings and our emotions and try to achieve certain behaviors and what looks good on the outside but inside we are still a mess. We haven’t truly healed.

51:00 Showing up for people and lamenting with them. How can we do that when we haven’t experienced what they have experienced?

53:30 We shouldn’t try to pull people out of their pain but sit with them in their pain. We have to feel discomfort in order to heal.

54:30 Where there is shame there is also self hatred or contempt for others. One thing that transforms shame is compassion.

57:00 Joy shares how she has experienced Jesus in her life through trauma, wounding, and healing. “Jesus has held me together.”

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Fitting in With Other Christian Churches | A Discussion with Jeff McCullough

Wed, 28 Feb 2024 23:27:22 +0000

Jeff McCullough is a Protestant, Evangelical Pastor with the Christian and Missionary Alliance. He is the creator of a YouTube channel called Hello Saints where he chronicles his journey learning about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from a Protestant, Evangelical perspective. He’s married with four children and recently relocated to Utah from St. Louis He completed his undergraduate degree in Digital Media from a Free-Methodist school called Greenville University and received a masters in Biblical Studies from Moody Theological Seminary in Chicago. He has worked in pastoral ministry for over 15 years.

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3:10 Kurt introduces his discussion with Pastor Jeff from Hello Saints Youtube channel and podcast. 5:15 Will The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the evangelical church ever merge? What would it look like? 7:50 Kurt’s background and starting Leading Saints 9:20 Kurt shares his insights on the evangelical faith as he has interacted with Jeff and they have had lots of discussions 11:15 Jeff’s wrestle with Latter-day Saint doctrine and all the doctrine that has been added in latter-day times. Evangelicals focus on the Bible. 14:30 How Jeff and Kurt have come together to share their faith and learn to be open to other faiths. 18:20 Are Mormons Christian? Why do people think we are so different? How we look at Jesus differently. 23:30 Jeff shares a perception that he had that Latter-day Saints are so focused on works, ordinances, and covenants that there’s zero concept of grace. 24:40 Kurt articulates what grace is to him and how LDS members see grace and how ordinances and covenants play into grace. 27:30 Will the LDS and evangelical faiths ever merge? What things would we need to overcome? 34:00 Evangelicals can’t get on board with things like modern-day prophets and the Book of Mormon but what things can we come together on? Aligning politically and culturally. 38:20 The difference between Latter-day Saints and evangelicals when a member of the family leaves the faith 41:20 Learn to be comfortable with the hard conversations and topics that come when comparing and talking about different religions and faith. There might be tension but we can sit in that tension and still be friends. 42:30 You don’t have to be a gospel scholar to be having these conversations on faith. At the end of the day, Kurt and Jeff have a genuine, authentic friendship and that is what it’s about. It’s about loving one another.

Removing Shame from a Gospel of Grace | An Interview with Kurt Francom

Sat, 24 Feb 2024 15:07:01 +0000

Richie T. Steadman is a radio host, producer, actor, and founder of the Latter-day Saint podcast, “The Cultural Hall”, where he has been entertaining and informing since 2011. Richie worked for 16 years as the producer of the popular Utah radio show, “Radio from Hell”. He served a mission in Cleveland, Ohio, and lives in Salt Lake City, Utah. Richie T’s interests extend far beyond the studio—he’s passionate scholar of Mormon history and a dedicated husband. In this podcast, Richie T interviews Kurt Francom about his book, Is God Disappointed in Me?, and they talk about how we can teach and lead without creating shame.

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Is God Disappointed in Me? The Cultural Hall Never Giving Up on the Lord (Even When You Want to) | An Interview with Richie T. Steadman There is already a discussion started about this podcast. Share your thoughts HERE.

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Highlights

3:45 Introduction to Kurt’s book, Is God Disappointed in Me? Kurt talks about why he wrote the book. 9:15 Guilt vs shame. What’s the difference? Shame is an attack on the divine identity. It’s more than just feeling bad. 11:00 Kurt shares his experiences as a young bishop and not understanding shame and how to help people with it. 13:30 When we want to change we hyper-focus on behaviors. However, first we need to have acceptance of who we are and the identity we have been given and God loves us as we are then we can really change. 15:10 How can leaders help people not feel shame but focus on divine identity instead? 19:15 Kurt shares an experience as a bishop. Some people walking into the bishop’s office don’t need the checklist of things to do or the conference talk to study in order to change. They need empathy. They need to heal wounds. They need to feel God’s love to help them change. 24:00 Who is Kurt’s book for? What can people get from it? 26:30 Have you ever felt that God was disappointed in you? How did you work through it? Kurt shares his personal experience of shame and feeling that God and his parents were disappointed in him. 35:00 The process of writing a book 37:30 One of the reasons Kurt was drawn to write a book is because it’s not just about knowing the gospel but being able to articulate the gospel. 38:40 How it feels to have a book out in the world. What’s the feedback from people? 41:40 I don’t want to be in a high demand religion. I want to be in a highly redemptive religion. We want people to leave church feeling like they are happy they went and not like wow I’m never good enough for those people. 42:50 Let’s stop focusing on behaviors in our church but creating a place where people just feel loved. 45:00 Are we embracing grace differently now? 46:50 Establishing a grace-filled home and in our relationships 49:50 Kurt talks about his calling as ward podcaster.

Teaching Sunday School with Questions | An Interview with Kevin Jones

Wed, 21 Feb 2024 14:53:28 +0000

Kevin Jones currently serves as a bishopric counselor and has served as a stake executive secretary, high counselor, stake young single adult advisor, elders quorum president, Young Men president, Seminary and Institute teacher, and just about any other teacher calling in the Church. To help members become more effective gospel teachers, he co-hosts the Teaching Restored podcast and video series. He is also in the finishing stages of writing a book about how to use questions when teaching the restored gospel. Professionally, Kevin is a professional speaker, advisor, and entrepreneur, having worked with all sizes of businesses on their culture and employee engagement. He lives at the mouth of the beautiful Columbia River Gorge outside of Vancouver, Washington, with his wife and eight kids (although there are only two left at home).

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Highlights

2:45 Kevin shares his background in teaching and training organizations. He has done this professionally and within the Church. He always wants to improve things and help teachers teach. 5:30 Kevin has a podcast called Teaching Restored. He focuses on how to teach and how to help people learn. 8:10 The power of questions and preparing good questions. Everything can change with a good question. 9:50 The power of binary questions (similar to closed-ended questions). Ways to use these questions in your teaching and to get to a certain point. 15:30 There are factual questions. Factual means that there is a correct answer. These questions are typically ones that we don’t want to use in a classroom because they are so basic. However, in some cases they can still be very powerful. 19:00 Explanatory questions and introspective questions. Questions that make us answer from our heart. 20:20 Building the silence into your introspective questions. Be ok with the silence in order to go deep. 22:40 Transformative questions. These are questions that you don’t plan but they just happen. Questions that change your outlook on everything. It’s on the learners side whether it’s transformative or not. 26:30 How to use the different kinds of questions when teaching. Lead with questions instead of content. 29:20 Asking the right kind of questions 34:10 Changing your tone when asking the question can change the meaning and feeling. You can also change one or two words in a question to make it more powerful. 38:00 Working one-on-one and leading each other

The Life of Sister Dantzel White Nelson | An Interview with Marjorie Nelson Lowder

Sat, 17 Feb 2024 15:16:44 +0000

Born and raised in Salt Lake City, Utah, Marjorie Nelson Lowder grew up as the 9th of 10 children of President Russell M. Nelson and Sister Dantzel White Nelson, surrounded by music, books, art, faith and lots of love. She loves to spend time creating, being in nature and gathering with her family and friends. She is an artist, vocalist, and the author/illustrator of a book based on a favorite lullaby her mother used to sing.

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Highlights

2:15 Kurt introduces Marjorie and her background. Daughter of President Nelson and his late wife Dantzel White Nelson.
4:50 Marjorie wrote a children’s book based on a lullaby that her mother used to sing to them. Her mother was a great singer.
8:20 Dantzel’s background and childhood. She grew up in Perry, Utah. How she met President Nelson.
11:00 Marjorie’s memories of her mother. She was masterful at creating beautiful traditions and gathering her family together. She created fun events like family olympics and themed family dinners.
16:00 Marjorie was one of ten children. She shares her memories of their family dynamic and what it was like to have a busy surgeon as a father.
20:00 Marjorie’s teenage years and the dynamic with her mother
22:40 Dantzel sang in the Tabernacle Choir for 20 years. Marjorie takes after her mother and has been very involved in choir. Music was something that was very special in their family.
25:40 When her father operated on President Kimball
27:00 Marjorie’s advice to women that feel like they can’t live up to what other women are doing and the comparison trap that we fall into
30:10 Finding out that her father had been called as an apostle and finding out in conference
32:00 Dantzel adjusting to life when her husband was called as an apostle
33:40 Marjorie’s relationship with her mother as an adult
37:50 Marjorie’s memories from the 20 years her mother served and traveled with her father when he was an apostle
39:15 The passing of Dantzel Nelson. Things that helped them through the time of mourning and grief of losing her.
42:00 Marjorie’s book, Pudding on the Moon
44:50 Marjorie sings her mother’s lullaby, Pudding on the Moon

Can God Be Disappointed in You? | A Presentation by Kurt Francom

Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:54:51 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in September 2019. In this episode, Leading Saints Executive Director Kurt Francom, shares his closing session from the Liberating Saints Virtual Summit. He approaches the subject of supporting and mentoring someone through a difficult struggle with pornography, from a doctrinal standpoint. This concept eventually became Kurt’s book, Is God Disappointed In Me?

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Is God Disappointed In Me? “The Atonement Works for Me”: One Couple’s Recovery from Sexual Addiction Brené Brown TED talk: Listening to Shame James’ story on the Unashamed, Unafraid podcast The Heart of Man movie clip The Heart of Man movie Read the TRANSCRIPT of this podcast Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library

Highlights

3:00 Approaching the topic from a doctrinal standpoint 4:20 Behaviors vs doctrine/heart 5:15 “The study of the doctrines of the gospel will improve behavior quicker than a study of behavior will improve behavior. Preoccupation with unworthy behavior can lead to unworthy behavior. That is why we stress so forcefully the study of the doctrines of the gospel.“—Elder Boyd K. Packer 6:40 Change the heart, leading to a change in behavior 8:00 How Satan tempts us, catching us in our own traps by creating contention in our hearts (Doctrine & Covenants 10:12, 10:26, 10:63)

11:10 Satan’s attack on our identity causes contention (Moses 4:11, Matthew 4:3)
14:00 Setting our own trap (example from The Lion King)
17:15 Steve’s story of overcoming addiction

19:40 Satan uses shame to alter identity

“As a shame researcher, I’ve learned that wherever perfectionism is driving us, shame is riding shotgun.”—Brene Brown
22:20 “What does that say about you as a person?”—Sam Tielemans

23:15 The adversary’s work and glory is to destroy the agency of man. Shame leads to altered identity which leads to a lack of agency. 24:55 “I am an addict”

“No one wants to be defined by their hardest struggle, and so we have to find this really interesting space between owning it and identifying it but reject being labeled by it and reduced by it.”—Brene Brown
27:00 Does this reduce or expand the individual’s identity?

29:50 Examples of Tom and Tim in the bishop’s office 33:10 A change of heart leads to good behavior

Offer hope
Explore doctrines (especially mercy and grace)
Admit you can’t “fix” them
Define the purpose of the behaviors (CPR: church, prayer, read scriptures)
Turn them towards their Father
Overwhelm them with connection

44:20 Story of James 47:45 Disappointment: another tactic of the adversary

The principal’s office, the dentist’s office, and the bishop’s office
51:10 Contention created when we believe God is disappointed in us

52:30 Can God be disappointed? Can God be surprised?

Doctrine & Covenants 3:1-3
Doctrine & Covenants 10:67
“Repentance isn’t His backup plan in the event we might fail. Repentance is His plan, knowing that we will.”—Elder Lynn G. Robbins

57:10 Example of learning to walk and falling down

“This shepherd, our Good Shepherd, finds joy in seeing His diseased sheep progress toward healing.”—Elder Dale G. Renlund
“A car is made to run on gasoline, and it would not run properly on anything else. Now God designed the human machine to run on himself. He himself is the fuel our spirits were designed to burn, or the food our spirits were designed to feed on. There is no other.”—C.S. Lewis

1:01:15 Kurt’s scripture study shame cycle example: “You could _______ and I’d still love you.” 1:05:45 “The Christian does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us.”—C.S. Lewis 1:06:20 John 14:16 1:07:50 The Heart of Man movie clip: Think of the violin as commandments and covenants 1:10:10 If ye love me, hold on to my commandments

1:13:50 Luke 15:20 When he was yet a great way off

Inviting People to Serve in Your Ward | An Interview with Grant Collins

Sat, 10 Feb 2024 15:25:50 +0000

Grant Collins graduated from Brigham Young University-Idaho with a degree in Accounting and is the director of People Operations at Nimbl. At Church he is currently an elders quorum instructor and has previously served as first and second bishopric counselor, Sunday School teacher, and elders quorum president.

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“Giving is a Skill” podcast on Apple and on Spotify. JustServe.org Offering Love & Acceptance to All | A How I Lead Interview with Dave Olsen There is already a discussion started about this podcast. Share your thoughts HERE.

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Highlights

3:10 Introduction to Grant and his work and podcast, Giving is a Skill 7:00 People wait till they are rich or retired to get involved with giving. 7:45 How Grant got involved in philanthropy and giving 9:30 If giving is a skill how does one develop it? 11:50 The challenge with YSA members is that they aren’t seen as adults. We need to give people the chance to serve so they can grow. 13:45 How do leaders help people get involved? Set expectations and agreements before giving out a calling and then follow up with them to see how it’s going and make sure that they are following through. 17:20 The misconception that young single adults are too busy. However, because of automation and working at home we actually have more time than ever but its being sucked up by social media and Netflix. We have to learn to distribute our time and pour back into our community. 21:30 Setting up infrastructure in a college YSA ward. Set up clear agreements and follow ups. Let people know what to expect and make sure they are ok with it. 22:45 How can we help students in a heavy career period to invite them into the grass roots giving experience that the church offers? 24:50 Don’t dismiss individuals that seem too busy. Continue to follow up with these individuals to serve. Maybe it’s not the right time to serve but maybe in two months it will be the right time. We can’t shame or guilt people into serving. Give them a choice and respect them. 30:30 We focus too much on people participating and doing a calling that we forget that the focus should be on gaining a relationship with Jesus. Help people with their conversion. 33:50 We shouldn’t be inventing callings so that people can serve. See the ward as a vehicle to make an impact in our communities. Make an impact outside of what is going on in church on Sunday. 35:35 Grant shares how they have been able to connect and bless the community and get young single adults involved in giving. It helps members feel connected and involved. 41:10 Making an impact beyond your ward and your calling. People don’t need a formal calling to be able to serve. Make connections with groups in the community and serve there. 45:45 All we need is Google to find projects and groups in the community. Leaders should find a way to connect with these groups. 47:30 The leader’s role isn’t to solve the problems and bring the solution to the community. The leader’s role is to find the problem, bring it to the community, and invite everybody to solve it. 49:10 YSA wards get treated like EFY. We need to give them space to solve problems and be involved. It shouldn’t be a hand-catered experience. 53:20 What if people could count on our word? How could it change their experience? 58:00 Instead of what wondering “What would Jesus do?” think of “Where Jesus would be?” If you know where He would be then you can understand better what He would do.

Stake President of Inner-city Houston | A How I Lead Interview with Dean Andersen

Wed, 07 Feb 2024 14:57:13 +0000

Dean Andersen has served as a counselor in a stake presidency, high councilor, Seminary teacher, scoutmaster, and bishopric counselor, among many other callings. He was recently released as a stake president. He speaks Japanese, French, and Spanish after serving a mission in Japan, living in France while working for a French company, and serving with three Spanish-speaking wards in his stake. Dean and his wife Colleen live in Houston, Texas, where he works as a CPA/CFO. They have eight children and 28 grandchildren.

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Highlights

3:10 Introduction to Dean Anderson and his background. 4:30 Getting called as stake president when their plan was only to be in that area for a year. Dean was over an inner-city stake with a lot of students and a lot of immigrants. 7:10 The difficulty and unique dynamic of having a lot of students in the stake 10:20 Choosing counselors for the stake presidency. Dean had only been in the ward and area for six months so he didn’t really know very many people. 11:00 Dean’s leadership experience and the unique circumstances of their stake. Switching from an all-Spanish stake to integrate English and Spanish wards into a new stake. Starting a stake from scratch basically. 17:40 The difficulty of finding bishops 19:15 Principle one – Focusing on your inadequacies is actually selfish 22:40 Principle two – God can do amazing things through weak, simple and flawed servants that keep humbling trying 24:40 Dean shares a story of a bishop that felt completely inadequate and shocked when he was called but eventually flourished in his calling and is now a counselor in the new stake presidency. 26:00 Principle three – As priesthood leaders we can only be effective according to principles set forth by section 121. Kindness, gentleness, meekness, love unfeigned, etc. 29:10 Principle four – God doesn’t punish people 35:10 Things that Dean has found that work for running an effective stake conference 38:50 Dean reflects on his time as a stake president and the miracles he has witnessed.

Slowing Down by 5% | An Interview with Thomas Wirthlin McConkie

Sat, 03 Feb 2024 08:08:25 +0000

Thomas Wirthlin McConkie is an author, developmental researcher and meditation teacher. As a teenager, he met his first teacher and has been practicing for over 25 years under masters in the traditions of Sufism, Buddhism and Christian contemplation, among others. Thomas is the founder of Lower Lights School of Wisdom, a nonprofit organization committed to sharing ancient and modern teachings from the world’s Wisdom traditions. He is currently researching and writing on the topic of transformative spiritual practice at Harvard Divinity School. He lives with his wife, two kids, and rescue dog.

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Atonement: Embodying the Fullness of Human-Divinity (Deseret Book) Atonement: Embodying the Fullness of Human-Divinity (Kindle) Where to Start When Members Doubt | An Interview With Thomas Wirthlin McConkie Creating Space for Those We Lead | An Interview with Thomas Wirthlin McConkie There is already a discussion started about this podcast. Share your thoughts HERE.

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Highlights

4:05 Introduction to Thomas Wirthlin McConkie. The work that he is doing. New book called, At-One-Ment. 7:00 Atonement is a really powerful invitation to join ourselves to God and with divine life. 8:20 What would you say to a room full of leaders? Embody the fulness of our divinity. 13:00 I’m inviting people to pay attention in a new way and see what divine realities reveal themselves. Thomas shares a meditative exercise to do this. 15:30 Meditative, grounding practices help us slow down, experience the divine and help us turn off our brain and feel with our spirit. We are thinking too much. 18:00 To the skeptical person that feels uncomfortable with Thomas’ approach: We are allowing love to do love’s work to actually open our hearts. It’s less about the eloquent words you say but where those words are coming from. 21:15 What gets in the way of love? How can we show love? 22:50 Go 5% slower. Say fewer words and be vulnerable. Let silence make us a little nervous and uncomfortable. As leaders we don’t have to have quick answers. 29:00 Thomas shares an experience going to conference to hear his grandfather speak. Elder Wirthlin gave the talk Come What May, and Love it. At the time Thomas was not active in the church and he talks about how his grandfather’s talk changed and touched him. 33:00 “What changed my heart was my grandparents’ simplicity.” After 20 years he woke up and decided to go to church. It was simple. 34:10 Leaders that want to help others come to church. Thomas talks about how he never felt a shred of anxiety from his Wirthlin grandparents when he wasn’t active in the Church. They gave him a lot of space and grace that eventually gave him a mighty change of heart. 37:10 Slowing down 5% in our leadership and administration. There is no formula on how to do things. Part of the vulnerability is saying, “I’m not going to know ’til I get there.” Have faith that something deeper to come through you. 39:50 You might need to slow down 5% or speed up 50%. If we slow down it will allow the Spirit to speed us up in the moments that we need to speed up and slow down when we are trying to go too fast. 43:30 The teaching moments of parenting and the painful growth there 45:30 Mindfulness and relationships. Helping people feel felt and known. A divine love. 54:20 What does At-one-ment mean to you?

Making Church Approachable | A How I Lead Interview with Shawn Edwards

Thu, 01 Feb 2024 18:41:53 +0000

Shawn Edwards has spent nearly 25 years in brand marketing, including roles at Kraft, Clorox, and Microsoft. He currently manages a marketing consulting firm he founded in 2012. His work with both small and Fortune 500 companies alike has helped him find his love for a good brand, a good logo, and a good t-shirt. Shawn currently serves as a bishop and has previously served as bishopric counselor, stake high counselor, elders quorum president, and ward mission leader, among others. He has been trying to be called as a Primary teacher for over 30 years, but that remains elusive. Shawn currently resides just outside of Denver, Colorado, with his better half, Carrie, and their three children. He loves to wakeboard, snowboard, and has never met a pint of Haagen Dazs he didn’t like.

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Highlights

2:40 Introduction to Shawn Edwards, bishop of his ward in Colorado. He grew up in Sandy, Utah, but didn’t grow up in the Church. It wasn’t till college that he got active in the Church. 6:00 Getting called as bishop right as we were getting out of the covid pandemic. Shawn decided to focus on unity during that time. 7:40 Creating unity in the ward with branding. Shawn even designed a logo and t-shirt for his ward. Shawn teaches the importance of brands and how it is about creating new thoughts and perceptions in the ward. It was about creating a mental shift with the members. 11:30 How to establish a brand in your ward. Ways to reinforce your brand. 12:50 Keeping your brand and message alive in the ward. 13:45 An initiative to help his ward focus more on Christ was creating a 90-day challenge to read the Book of Mormon together. It’s a movement to help everyone come together. 15:00 As a way to drive temple attendance they created “Faith Fridays”. 15:40 Engaging the presidencies in the ward. Shawn likes to focus on empowerment instead of dictating what they do. 16:20 The concept of WE not I. Approach a situation in order to support the ‘’we.’’ 18:50 Servant leadership is about bringing out the best performance as they do what they need to do. 20:30 Making the bishop’s office approachable. 23:45 Other ways the Shawn has made church more approachable. For example, wearing more casual clothes to activities and firesides. Keeping things lighthearted. 27:00 As a leader we bring out the best in others as they come unto Christ. Just like a good coach we have to do the same in order to help others.

The Acts of James E. Talmage | An Interview with Bryan Summers

Sun, 28 Jan 2024 16:05:53 +0000

Bryan Summers was born and raised in Portland, Oregon. He served a mission in Carlsbad, California, and earned a Master’s Degree in Library Science at the University of Wales-Aberystwyth. He was a county librarian in Yuma, Arizona for 12 years, and is now a mortgage broker in Saint George, Utah. Bryan has served in the Church as a nursery leader, ward mission leader, elders quorum president, and bishop. He is currently a teachers quorum assistant. He and his wife have been married 24 years and are the parents of three boys and three girls. Bryan enjoys backpacking—especially the Timberline Trail on Mount Hood—and once spent three weeks wandering around the Kurdish areas of Northern Iraq and Eastern Turkey.

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Highlights

1:45 Introduction to Bryan Summers 3:00 Things that Bryan learned from being a bishop. The importance of feeling the Spirit. 4:40 Bryan has started a project, Modern-day Acts of the Apostles. He researches apostles and shares his favorite stories on his page. 13:00 Leaders should take a little time to read the apostles’ biographies. It can be comforting to read about the apostles’ experiences. 15:20 Stories on James E. Talmage. Be careful of the stories you hear. 16:30 Albert Einstein was friends with Henry B. Eyring’s dad. The Mormon Scientist is a great book to learn more about it. 17:20 James E. Talmage’s biography was written by his son. 18:00 Most well known for his book, Jesus the Christ. He wrote the book in just 7 months. 19:20 When James Talmage was an apostle, they would have him speak when there was a hostile crowd. By the end of his talk people were in tears. 20:00 He was brave first and also had a lot of compassion. Early stories on James’ childhood and upbringing in Britain. 24:20 The story of James’ schoolmaster who hated the Church. He got beat a lot for challenging his schoolmaster and stood up for his convictions. Yet he remained friends with the schoolmaster as an adult. 26:00 The story of James’ college friend who constantly teased him for being a prude. 28:40 He was a scientific lecturer from an early age. 31:00 A story from when James was the president of the University of Utah. He would do things over and over again till he resolved something. He was very resilient. 32:50 James was almost like an Indiana Jones of the western territory and went on expeditions to unknown places in the Utah desert. He became a celebrity of the scientific world. 35:50 He was a part of many scientific societies, which was a very big deal back then. 37:00 One of the most popular stories of James E. Talmage. Compassion mixed with bravery. 41:00 The Lord calls you to be you. He was called to be mission president in Great Britain in the height of the anti-Mormon sentiment. He went newspaper to newspaper and became friends with editors from all the different hostile newspapers that were printing anti-Mormon articles. The stories began to stop thanks to him. 45:40 The story of when President Grant tried to teach James to play golf. He was convinced that he needed to take up more recreational activities. 48:40 When writing Jesus the Christ, James was in the temple 24/7. He wrote it in just 7 months and 5 days. 49:00 The death of James E. Talmage at age 70. He passed away from complications of strep throat. This was 10 years before penicillin and was deadly if not treated right away. 52:30 Stories on John W. Taylor, one the apostles excommunicated for polygamy. 55:20 “Being a leader showed me how dependent I was on the Savior.”

Single Adult, Relief Society President | A How I Lead Interview with Angela Okada

Thu, 25 Jan 2024 16:00:42 +0000

Angela Okada earned a Bachelor of Arts from BYU and a Master of Arts from the University of Utah, both in Speech Language Pathology. She worked as a speech language pathologist in a northern Virginia school district lived for six years before moving back to Utah, where she continues to work as a school-based SLP. Angela has four nieces and a nephew who she absolutely adores, and she enjoys reading, watching college sports, and trying new restaurants with friends. She has served as a missionary in the Georgia, Atlanta mission, a Young Women counselor, temple ordinance worker, and as a Relief Society counselor and president in both a young single adult ward and a geographic (family) ward.

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2:40 Introduction to Angela. We need more content for single adults in the Church, not just young single adults 4:30 Getting called as Relief Society president and getting started in a new calling 7:50 Angela talks about her feelings on getting called as Relief Society president as a single adult in a family ward. 9:15 The principles of effective leadership are the same whether you are single or married. 11:00 Angela would love to hear more ideas on how building connections relate to sisters that are married.

Start with things that you have in common
Listening builds connection and then forms a friendship

13:25 Angela shares how they assigned ministers in the ward. It’s important to mix up the sisters. Young and old. Single and married. 15:00 Creating relief and refuge in the Relief Society. How do you do it? 18:00 Mothers Day can be a hard day and create anxiety for some. Angela shares a message that she sent out to the sisters in her ward. 21:00 It’s hard to find a balance to make sure that single sisters feel included. But also how can we also focus on strengthening husbands and wives?

Focus on Jesus Christ. Whether you are married or single, Jesus is the one that strengthens us through his Atonement.

23:30 More ideas on including singles more in the ward while still balancing the focus on families and strengthening husbands and wives. Angela shares how her ward was only having husbands and wives speaking month after month. We sometimes unintentionally exclude people. 26:50 Working together with the bishop and elders quorum. What has worked well? 28:20 How do you balance work life and church service? 29:20 Angela’s church service has expanded her heart to love people that she normally wouldn’t be buddy-buddy with.

3 Rules for Stimulating Authenticity in Elders Quorum | An Interview with Bryan Hurd

Sat, 20 Jan 2024 08:00:45 +0000

Bryan Hurd earned a Bachelor’s of Science in Accounting from Utah State University and has been a realtor for almost 20 years. He lives his motto, “Be the most positive person I know,” and attributes much of his success to a positive, can-do attitude and surrounding himself with “A” players. Bryan and his wife, Chandi, have four amazing boys and you can find the Hurd family at an RSL soccer game, the swimming pool, out on hiking trails, the library, or in the backyard enjoying life together.

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Highlights

1:45 Introduction to Bryan Hurd. Kurt’s realtor and friend. Kurt’s moving miracle! 6:30 Bryan has great relationships and connections with his clients. He makes everyone feel like they are his best friend. He takes time to listen and ask questions. He makes people feel important. 9:45 There are 3 types of guys in the elders quorum. Connecting with the guy that you don’t normally see.

The dude I never see
The dude I see but he’s checked out
The dude that’s there and trying to do the best he can.

13:30 The blessing of being with a youth. A youth leader can be as influential to a youth member as their parents or maybe in some cases more so. That is sacred. 14:10 What’s sacred about elders quorum? Most men don’t have more than 3 friends. We have the opportunity to create that connection. 15:45 Bryan felt the call to help more of the men around him and in his ward. Bryan shares his story and where this call came from. 19:45 A common fallacy is that external success creates internal happiness. Having divine discontentment. 22:15 The best way to heal a broken heart is to put it to work. Working on yourself. 28:30 What is The Evolution Project? How did it start? Bryan’s job is to organize everything and God takes care of the rest. If a man goes in nature then God will find him. The Evolution Project isn’t therapy but about providing men experiences that are transformational. 36:00 Bryan shares an experience of one of the men at one of The Evolution Project events. 38:45 Three principles or rules that The Evolution Project focuses on.

Have a safe environment. Don’t share people’s personal stories outside the group.
I statements: Own your story.
When someone speaks, you don’t have the right to cross-coach them. Ask first.

43:20 Men just need to talk it out. Someone to listen. They don’t necessarily need therapy or coaching. 44:30 Seeing the 3 evolution project’s rules in your next elders quorum meeting. Noticing when there is cross coaching and not using I statements. We need to create rules and boundaries in these meetings to create safety so that people feel safe to open up in front of others. 47:00 What do we need to understand about grace? 49:40 More on the next The Evolution Project events and Warrior Heart events. 52:45 You can’t lead people where you haven’t been. We have to go through hard times to help others.

Women’s Discussion Series – Starting Feb 1

Fri, 19 Jan 2024 18:23:06 +0000

Sisters, step into your positive influence era! Leave the self-doubt, insecurities, and perfection behind so you can have the impact you were always born to make. Join us for a 7-week live online discussion series with Jessica Johnson, where we discuss ways you can feel better prepared to lead in all aspects of your life, including callings, career, and in the home. Classes start Thursday, February 1st at 7:30 pm (Utah time) and continue each Thursday until March 14th. Reserve your spot in the Women’s Discussion Series now! In this series, Jessica Johnson will lead you and others through discussion points related to the following:

How the Savior leads (and how to emulate it)
How to deal with conflict
How to have crucial conversations
How great women in church history have led
How to be resilient
How to improve communication and influence

And so much more! You get to meet and discuss with other women each week and have the chance to practice what you’ve learned between the sessions. It will help to increase your positive influence wherever you are. Get ready for weekly check-ins on your goals and the opportunity to meet and interact with other outstanding women, just like you. Clear your Thursday nights for a discussion series that has the opportunity to make a deep impact you and those around you. Trust me. This isn’t something you’ll want to miss. So invite your sister your mom your Relief Society for an enriching 7 weeks of life-changing discussions on leadership for life with Jessica Johnson. Reserve your spot in the Women’s Discussion Series now!

Strengthening Your Goal Setting | An Interview with Skye Fagrell

Thu, 18 Jan 2024 07:32:11 +0000

This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in June 2020. Skye Fagrell lives in Queen Creek, Arizona, but grew up in Los Gatos, in the San Francisco Bay Area. He and his wife, Jacque, met at Brigham Young University, where he studied Visual Arts and coaching & teaching physical education. They moved to Arizona when he was offered a position teaching Seminary in Tempe. Skye is the author of More Fit 4 The Kingdom. At the time of this podcast he was serving as a bishop.

Links

More Fit 4 The Kingdom: Gain the Spiritual Strength the Savior Emphasized by Following the Training Program He Utilized Skye Fagrell’s Leading Saints articles:

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Highlights

6:40 Skye’s journey to becoming a seminary teacher 9:20 Where the book started: measuring and quantifying fitness 13:55 Story of Milo of Crotan and the bull: the overload principle and how he translates it to spiritual concepts

Elder Bednar’s story of the tires spinning in the snow until the heavy load was in the truck

16:55 Striving

How the concept of striving has been incorporated in the temple recommend questions
Taking a productive pause so that we can progress
We need to have confidence in the grace of Christ, but we gain that confidence as we are striving

23:00 Analogy of the course of life and running a race

Elder Renlund quote: “Once back on the path, it’s as if we were never off.”
Comparing ourselves to others leads to low spiritual self esteem

26:55 Story of snowboard cross athlete Lindsey Jacobellis’ first showing at the Olympics 31:30 Fusing the motivation of striving with grace

Luke 2:52 — The four areas of the Savior’s growth
D&C 93:12-13 — Grace for grace and grace to grace: an exchange and progress
D&C 45:3-5 — Christ is the advocate and when He represents us it becomes about Him, not about us

43:10 We need to focus on balancing all four areas: wisdom (intellectual), stature (physical), in favor with God (spirituality), in favor with man (social)—work/life balance 53:50 Goal-setting strategies

MOREFIT: a goal-setting funnel

1:09:10 Overcoming plateaus: story of Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps and changing the frequency of his stroke

Change either the duration, frequency, or intensity to break out

The Power of Building Consistency | An Interview with Jeffery and Jami Downs

Sat, 13 Jan 2024 08:00:27 +0000

Jeff and Jami Downs are the authors of Streaking: The Simple Practice of Conscious, Consistent Actions That Create Life-Changing Results. Both have served in numerous leadership callings, Jami as a Primary president, Young Women president, and currently as a Relief Society president. Jeff has served as a Seminary teacher, in every role in the bishopric, and on the stake high council.

Jeff and Jami speak regularly to youth groups, young single adults, single adults, married couples, and many more on the power of consistency in increasing your faith, strengthening your relationships, and excelling in your profession. Jeff and Jami have seven children, and you can see what they do in their life every day, week, and month, by downloading and following them on the Streaking app. If you want to join them in streaking the scriptures, click here to download the Streaking app and start your own scripture reading streak.

Links

Streaking: The Simple Practice of Conscious, Consistent Actions That Create Life-Changing Results
The Streaking App
The Streaking Podcast
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Scriptures referenced in this podcast: Alma 37
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Highlights

1:50 Introduction to Jeff and Jami and the story behind their book Streaking. Setting different streaks.
8:40 There are a lot of books on habits but Jeff couldn’t find that the suggestions were helping him. He explains the difference between an intentional decision and a habit.
12:00 Why does streaking work? The ways it activates the brain
12:45 The 3 laws that helped Jeff and Jami as they were streaking

Make it laughably simple
Keep a record of it
Create a community

17:00 Jami set a ministering streak. Some streaks are more private and some more public. She tried to do something with ministering everyday and she did it even without an assignment.
19:50 “Ministering isn’t this grand thing that I do all the time. It’s a journey and it’s a journey of how I treat other people and how I’m changing inside.”
21:45 We have to be careful that shame and guilt isn’t the driving reason for trying to change our behavior. Jami talks about ways that she addresses the guilt and shame and has worked to change it.
24:00 Jami had been very unsuccessful at journaling. She tried year after year and couldn’t make it stick. She found that committing to a single sentence everyday and making it laughably simple helped she stay consistent.
26:40 Overcoming the natural man by yielding to the prompting of the Holy Ghost. The promptings are small and subtle things normally. Creating streaks helps us overcome the natural man by helping us feel like we are winning and succeeding instead of losing.
30:15 We can apply the idea of streaking for the individual that is in the bishop’s office trying to repent. Stop focusing on the sin. For example, don’t look at pornography. It actually makes us think about it more and feel guilty when we mess up.
31:40 Sometimes we just need something to get us started and then we end up keeping going. We don’t want to get started because the mountain seems too big to climb.
32:45 The brain science behind streaking and creating habits
33:40 What do you do when you miss a day after doing it over a thousand days? How do you overcome shame and guilt?
40:10 Setting a ministering streak. Small ways you can focus on ministering every single day.
40:45 Creating a streak with family history. Just opening the app and understanding how it works can be your daily activity. Jeff talks about how the streak drastically changed his contributions even though he only did something very small everyday.
42:15 Jami talks about creating a streak for family history and how it helped her reconnect with her biological grandfather.
45:40 The scriptural basis of streaking is in Alma 37.
47:30 Does the gospel cause you intense overwhelm? It shouldn’t. We need to step back and reset.
50:30 There are 3 types of streaks

Lifetime streaks
This time of life streaks
Challenge streaks

53:20 Streaks don’t cause shame, Satan causes shame. Remember that ‘don’t’ streaks don’t work. For example, don’t eat sugar. Don’t watch pornography. Overcome sin with ‘do’ behaviors. Do good one drop at a time.
57:15 It’s not a very good idea to put time limits on things. We think that if we do something long enough then it will just be a habit but really we still have to be intentional about things our whole life. Some things are just not automatic.
1:00:10 Jeff and Jami’s book isn’t about creating habits or doing something for a long time but it’s about becoming something. It’s also not about what we should be doing. Who do we want to be?
1:05:30 Using the principle of streaking as a leader with an organization. We shouldn’t try to set streaks for other people but we can do it for ourselves with things that relate to our callings. We can also help people that are struggling by helping them make things laughably simple.
1:12:30 Time streaks put your focus in the wrong place. Doing something for 30 minutes or 5 minutes. Don’t ever focus on the time.
1:13:00 Resources. Get the Streaking book and Streaking app. They also have a Streaking podcast.
1:14:00 In the end, streaking is your determination of what behaviors you want to do and how you do that to become like Christ. That is the end all be all of all of it.
1:17:15 Jeff and Jami’s final thoughts on leadership and their final testimonies

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