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		<title>MTT #107: How politics is weakening America’s public health defenses</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this week’s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, hosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl probe the facts beneath healthcare’s biggest headlines. Today’s show examines the accelerating progress of generative AI, the political turmoil inside America’s leading health agencies and the infectious disease threats testing the nation’s public health readiness.</p>
<p>The conversation opens with a listener question about how close generative AI is to matching clinicians. Dr. Pearl explains that the technology is advancing faster than he predicted in <em>ChatGPT, MD</em>, with recent research showing an OpenAI model outperforming experienced physicians on emergency room triage and management in text-based clinical cases. He cautions that medicine is more complicated than written scenarios but argues that the trajectory is clear: before today’s incoming medical students finish training, generative AI tools are likely to be used in emergency rooms across the country</p>
<p>From there, the episode turns to the resignation of former FDA commissioner and Dr. Marty Makary, a two-time <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> guest. Pearl describes Makary as a respected clinician and patient-safety expert who found himself caught between scientific rigor, political pressure, industry opposition and public health critics. His departure, along with other leadership upheaval at FDA, CDC, NIH and HHS, raises a larger concern about whether America’s once-trusted scientific agencies can regain their independence and credibility.</p>
<p>Here are the other major storylines from episode 107:</p>
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<li><strong>RFK Jr. removes preventive-care leaders.</strong> Pearl criticizes the firing of two respected co-chairs of the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, warning that prevention policy may be pushed away from scientific evidence.</li>
<li><strong>The surgeon general nomination moving toward confirmation.</strong> Nicole Safier appears more confirmable than Dr. Casey Means because her vaccine views are closer to the scientific mainstream.</li>
<li><strong>A hantavirus outbreak raises public health concerns.</strong> A cruise ship outbreak involving the Andes virus appears to have spread person-to-person, causing at least 13 cases, several severe illnesses and three deaths.</li>
<li><strong>The U.S. remains vulnerable to fast-moving outbreaks.</strong> Pearl says the slow federal response to hantavirus shows how weakened public health capacity could become dangerous if a highly lethal virus were also easily transmissible.</li>
<li><strong>Tick bites are rising sharply.</strong> ER visits related to tick bites have climbed well above typical levels, driven in part by warmer temperatures and the spread of deer ticks into the Midwest and South.</li>
<li><strong>Ebola exposes the cost of global health cuts.</strong> A new Ebola strain in the Democratic Republic of Congo has no vaccine or effective treatment, and the outbreak was recognized only after spreading for weeks.</li>
<li><strong>USAID and WHO cuts increase risk to Americans.</strong> Pearl argues that reducing global public health support does not put “America first” because viruses ignore national borders.</li>
<li><strong>Patients should be more concerned when doctors avoid AI entirely.</strong> Pearl says he would worry more about clinicians who refuse to use reliable generative AI tools than those who consult them regularly.</li>
<li><strong>Opioid overdose deaths are falling but remain devastating.</strong> New CDC data show overdose deaths down for the third straight year, but annual fatalities still total roughly 70,000, with overdoses remaining the leading cause of death among adults ages 18 to 44.</li>
<li><strong>Vaccine safety data are being suppressed.</strong> Pearl closes by describing blocked FDA and CDC research showing COVID and shingles vaccines to be safe and effective, warning that political censorship undermines trust and harms patients.</li>
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<p>Tune in for more fact-based analysis and practical perspective on the healthcare policies, technologies and trends shaping medicine today.</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>X</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/06/03/mtt-107/">MTT #107: How politics is weakening America’s public health defenses</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #216: An unfiltered look at what legacy means in medicine</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2026 22:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this Unfiltered episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a>, Drs. Robert Pearl and Jonathan Fisher explore three questions that reach across medicine, leadership and life itself: What legacy do physicians leave behind? How does mindset shape health and longevity? And can doctors still find fulfillment as medical practice shifts from independence to employment?</p>
<p>The conversation begins with Tim Cook’s legacy at Apple, using his tenure as CEO to ask a larger question about values, mission and compromise. Pearl and Fisher examine whether legacy is something others assign after a career ends or something professionals create daily through their choices, actions and alignment with their deepest values. For physicians, the question becomes especially personal when financial, organizational or career decisions collide with the promise to put patients first.</p>
<p>Midway through, the discussion turns to longevity and the science of mindset. Drawing on research from Yale and Fisher’s work in <em>Just One Heart</em>, the two physicians explore how beliefs about aging can influence physical function, cognitive health, inflammation and long-term well-being. Fisher explains why optimism is not merely a pleasant attitude but a physiologic force that can shape stress hormones, inflammatory pathways and the daily behaviors that determine health.</p>
<p>Finally, Pearl and Fisher examine one of the biggest structural shifts in modern medicine: the movement from physician-owned practices to employment by hospitals, health systems and insurers. Fisher notes that independent doctors may report lower burnout, but autonomy is no longer guaranteed when administrative burdens, call schedules and financial pressures consume the practice of medicine. Employment offers support and stability, but often at the cost of control.</p>
<p>By the end, the episode connects all three themes: legacy, health and professional fulfillment are rooted in purpose. Whether through family, patient care, mission trips, mentoring or the daily work of medicine, Pearl and Fisher suggest that doctors may live longer, healthier and more meaningful lives when they preserve the mission that brought them to medicine in the first place.</p>
<p>For listeners who connected with Fisher’s reflections on burnout, autonomy and the search for renewed purpose in medicine, his upcoming <a href="https://artoflivingretreatcenter.org/retreat/presenter/dr-robyn-tiger-dr-jonathan-fisher/aspire-a-weekend-for-balance-and-renewal/">ASPIRE physician retreat</a> offers a deeper opportunity for reflection and recovery. Co-facilitated with Dr. Robyn Tiger, ASPIRE is a CME-accredited retreat designed exclusively for healthcare professionals, taking place June 12-14 at the Art of Living Retreat Center in Boone, North Carolina. Use code <strong>ASPIRE15</strong> for 15% off registration.</p>
<p>For more unfiltered conversation, listen to the full episode and explore these related resources:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
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<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>X</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/05/26/fhc-216-an-unfiltered-look-at-what-legacy-means-in-medicine/">FHC #216: An unfiltered look at what legacy means in medicine</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #215: Revisiting healthcare leadership, technology &#038; capitation</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 19:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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<p data-start="349" data-end="617">Originally recorded more than three years ago, this episode explores two issues that remain central to the future of American medicine: how healthcare leaders respond to technological change and whether the nation can finally move beyond fee-for-service reimbursement.</p>
<p data-start="619" data-end="1000">Looking back now, the discussion feels strikingly current. Many of the opportunities Dr. Pearl identified at the time still exist today. Generative AI has advanced dramatically. Remote monitoring tools are more powerful and accessible than ever. And healthcare leaders continue to acknowledge the need for better chronic disease management, prevention and lower-cost care delivery.</p>
<p data-start="1002" data-end="1305">Yet despite these advances, many of the nation’s biggest healthcare problems remain unresolved. U.S. quality outcomes still lag peer nations. Life expectancy remains years shorter than in comparable countries. And healthcare costs continue rising at rates that far exceed inflation, wage growth and GDP.</p>
<p data-start="1307" data-end="1691">Throughout the episode, Dr. Pearl argues that these failures are not primarily technological. The tools to improve care already existed — and continue to improve rapidly today. The greater challenge is leadership itself: helping clinicians embrace change, aligning incentives around patient outcomes and building the operational systems required to make better care possible at scale.</p>
<p data-start="1693" data-end="2088">The conversation also revisits capitation and value-based care, themes that have resurfaced repeatedly in recent Fixing Healthcare episodes. Dr. Pearl explains why fee-for-service reimbursement continues to reward volume over outcomes and why meaningful progress in affordability will require shifting financial incentives toward prevention, chronic disease control and long-term patient health.</p>
<p data-start="2090" data-end="2338">Revisiting this episode now offers a useful perspective on the past several years of healthcare transformation: technology has accelerated, but the deeper structural changes required to improve affordability and outcomes have moved far more slowly.</p>
<p data-start="2340" data-end="2353">Helpful links</p>
<p data-start="2340" data-end="2353"><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2022/11/14/the-anatomy-of-healthcare-leadership-a-mind-for-technology/">The Anatomy Of Healthcare Leadership: A Mind For Technology</a> (Forbes)</p>
<p data-start="2340" data-end="2353"><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2022/11/29/healthcare-leadership-following-the-money-can-lead-to-positive-change/">Healthcare Leadership: Following The Money Can Lead To Positive Change</a> (Forbes)</p>
<p data-start="2340" data-end="2353"><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/05/19/fhc-215-revisiting-capitation/">FHC #215: Revisiting healthcare leadership, technology &#038; capitation</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #214: Revisiting GLP-1 prices and ChatGPT&#8217;s early leap forward</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/05/12/fhc-214-flashback-chatgpt/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 21:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p data-start="75" data-end="424">For the next two weeks, Fixing Healthcare hosts <strong>Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> will be replaying past episodes of<em> Diving Deep</em> while Dr. Pearl travels and keynotes events around the world. But these aren’t random reruns. They were selected for a reason: to highlight just how quickly technology is advancing and how slowly healthcare is adapting.</p>
<p data-start="426" data-end="817">This week’s flashback revisits a July 2024 conversation recorded <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/07/16/fhc-140-diving-deep/">shortly after OpenAI released GPT-4o</a>, a major leap forward in generative AI at the time. Less than two years later, the pace of change is striking. Capabilities that once felt groundbreaking now seem primitive compared to what today’s AI tools can accomplish for patients, physicians and healthcare organizations.</p>
<p data-start="819" data-end="1121">At the same time, the episode’s broader themes remain remarkably current. Dr. Pearl and Jeremy discuss the future role of generative AI in medicine, how these tools could improve diagnosis and patient monitoring and why healthcare institutions often struggle to embrace transformative technology quickly.</p>
<p data-start="1123" data-end="1432">The episode also examines another issue that remains unresolved today: the high cost of GLP-1 medications like Wegovy and Ozempic. Dr. Pearl explains why these highly effective obesity treatments remain financially out of reach for many Americans despite growing demand and expanding clinical use.</p>
<p data-start="1434" data-end="1606">Revisiting this conversation now offers a useful reminder: technology can advance extraordinarily fast, but healthcare systems, incentives and policies often lag far behind.</p>
<p><strong>Helpful links: </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/06/03/openais-rule-shattering-gpt-4o-update-will-be-lifesaving-too/">OpenAI’s Rule-Shattering GPT-4o Update Will Be Lifesaving, Too</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/06/24/weight-loss-drugmakers-are-overcharging-by-400-heres-a-quick-solution/">Wegovy And Ozempic Are Overpriced By 400-500% — Here’s A Quick Solution</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
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<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>X</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/05/12/fhc-214-flashback-chatgpt/">FHC #214: Revisiting GLP-1 prices and ChatGPT&#8217;s early leap forward</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/05/05/fhc-213-longevity-myths/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2026 21:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this <em>Diving Deep</em> episode, Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr dissect two issues that are often discussed separately but are deeply intertwined: how Americans can live longer, healthier lives and how the nation can make healthcare more affordable.</p>
<p>The conversation begins with longevity. As interest in lifespan and “healthspan” grows, Dr. Pearl challenges three widely held beliefs that, in his view, are holding Americans back. First, the idea that physical and cognitive decline is inevitable with age. New research suggests that nearly half of older adults improve over time, particularly when they maintain a positive outlook and stay physically and mentally active. Second, the belief that longevity can be “hacked” through supplements, peptides and other quick fixes. Despite a $50 billion market and widespread adoption, Pearl explains that most of these interventions lack strong clinical evidence in humans. And third, the assumption that prevention can wait until middle age. Updated cardiovascular guidelines show that earlier screening and intervention, particularly around LDL cholesterol, can dramatically reduce long-term risk.</p>
<p>From there, the discussion shifts to the financial side of healthcare. Pearl argues that improving population health is the most effective way to reduce costs, but that meaningful change will also require a fundamental redesign of how care is delivered. Drawing on behavioral research, he introduces a central concept: healthcare leaders tend to solve problems by adding more resources (staff, beds, technology) when better outcomes often require subtraction first.</p>
<p>The second half of the episode applies this “subtraction before addition” framework across the healthcare system. In outpatient care, Pearl describes how the traditional small physician office has become increasingly inefficient in an era dominated by chronic disease and administrative complexity. He proposes larger, integrated models that share staff, leverage generative AI and shift from calendar-based visits to continuous, need-based care. In emergency departments, he outlines how segmenting patients by clinical severity could reduce wait times, improve outcomes and lower costs by treating low-risk cases through primary care pathways. And in inpatient settings, he points to hospital-at-home programs as a way to safely care for a significant share of patients at lower cost and with better outcomes.</p>
<p>Taken together, this episode teaches that Americans can extend both lifespan and healthspan by rejecting outdated assumptions and focusing on proven behaviors. At the same time, healthcare affordability will not improve by continuing to add more of the same. It will require eliminating inefficiencies, redesigning care delivery and replacing outdated models with ones better suited to modern medicine.</p>
<p>For more, tune into this month’s episode and check out the links below.</p>
<p><strong>Helpful links</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2026/03/30/new-studies-show-americans-are-thinking-about-longevity-all-wrong/">New Studies Show Americans Are Thinking About Longevity All Wrong</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2026/04/13/the-more-we-add-to-us-healthcare-the-worse-it-gets/">The More We Add To U.S. Healthcare, The Worse It Gets</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>X</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>MTT #106: Trump&#8217;s 2027 budget &#038; the other threats to U.S. healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/04/28/mtt-106-trump-2027-budget/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2026 00:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this week’s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, hosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl probe the facts beneath healthcare biggest headlines. Today’s show features an in-depth look at sweeping federal budget cuts, the expanding (and often misunderstood) impact of GLP-1 medications and what’s destabilizing health coverage.</p>
<p>The conversation opens with a stark warning. Dr. Pearl reviews the president’s proposed 2027 budget, which includes a $15.8 billion reduction in healthcare spending. He explains why cuts to Medicaid, NIH research and global health programs could have consequences that extend far beyond the next fiscal year, potentially slowing innovation, increasing patient risk and shifting costs to states and families.</p>
<p>From there, the episode turns to one of the most asked-about topics from listeners: GLP-1 weight-loss drugs. While these medications clearly produce meaningful weight loss and improve outcomes in conditions tied to obesity, Dr. Pearl cautions that many of the broader health claims attributed to them may simply reflect the benefits of weight loss itself, not unique properties of the drugs.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, an underlying truth: scientific progress continues but policy decisions, pricing dynamics and system design may limit who benefits (and at what cost).</p>
<p>Here are the other major storylines from episode 106:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Federal health cuts threaten long-term progress:</strong> The proposed budget reduces overall healthcare funding by 12.5%, cuts NIH support by $5 billion and consolidates public health agencies.</li>
<li><strong>Global health funding drops sharply:</strong> International health spending is being cut nearly in half, while continued withdrawal from the World Health Organization leaves the U.S. more vulnerable to future pandemics.</li>
<li><strong>CDC leadership signals a policy shift:</strong> The nomination of Dr. Erica Schwartz as permanent CDC director suggests a move back toward a more traditional, science-driven approach to vaccines.</li>
<li><strong>RFK Jr. softens vaccine stance amid political pressure:</strong> In congressional testimony, the HHS secretary publicly acknowledged the safety and effectiveness of the measles vaccine.</li>
<li><strong>GLP-1 drugs deliver clear weight loss and major benefits:</strong> Studies show 10-20% weight reduction, along with approximately 20% improvements in kidney and cardiovascular outcomes.</li>
<li><strong>Many GLP-1 “breakthroughs” may reflect weight loss alone:</strong> Evidence linking these drugs to reduced cancer risk, improved cognition or lower addiction rates remains fuzzy at best.</li>
<li><strong>Exercise rivals the impact of breakthrough drugs:</strong> A large study shows vigorous physical activity reduces risks of dementia, diabetes, cardiovascular disease and death at levels comparable to or greater than GLP-1 outcomes.</li>
<li><strong>Stress does not directly cause cancer:</strong> Pearl explains that while many Americans believe stress leads to cancer, the real risk comes from behavioral responses such as increased smoking and alcohol use.</li>
<li><strong>Concierge medicine expands access for some:</strong> Patients who can afford annual fees gain faster access and more time with physicians, but the model reduces availability for others.</li>
<li><strong>China rapidly closes the drug development gap:</strong> New data show China’s share of global pharmaceutical research rising to over 32%, nearly matching the United States.</li>
<li><strong>Exchange coverage declines and risk pools worsen:</strong> Millions may lose insurance due to subsidy changes, premium nonpayment and shifts to high-deductible plans.</li>
<li><strong>Drug prices continue to rise despite reform efforts:</strong> Under the TrumpRx program, lower prices on select drugs have been offset by increases elsewhere, with new medications averaging $353,000 annually.</li>
<li><strong>Robotics and AI may arrive faster than expected:</strong> A dramatic improvement in robot race performance leads Dr. Pearl to revise his estimate for clinical adoption of robotic procedures.</li>
</ul>
<p>Tune in for more fact-based analysis and practical perspective on the healthcare policies, technologies and trends shaping medicine today.</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>X</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #212: OpenAI&#8217;s Nate Gross on ChatGPT&#8217;s next big move in healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/04/22/fhc-212-openai-nate-gross/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2026 18:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>OpenAI didn’t need to convince patients to try generative AI.</p>
<p>According to <strong>Dr. Nate Gross</strong>, Health of Health at OpenAI, 230 million people already use ChatGPT each week to interpret lab results, prepare for visits, understand diagnoses or ask health-related questions they didn’t have time (or confidence) to raise in the exam room.</p>
<p>But what about clinicians?</p>
<p>On this episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong> speak with Dr. Gross, who previously co-founded Doximity and Rock Health, about OpenAI’s latest step: the release of <strong>ChatGPT for Clinicians</strong>, a new offering that brings healthcare-specific AI tools directly to individual providers, without requiring access through a large health system contract.</p>
<p>In other words, the same capabilities previously limited to enterprise deployments are now being placed in the hands of front-line clinicians.</p>
<p>But as Dr. Gross makes clear in this timely interview, the story of AI in medicine is much bigger than a single product. It’s about how generative AI is beginning to reshape healthcare across three fronts at once: patients, clinicians and health systems.</p>
<p><strong>Key highlights include:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Patients are already using AI at massive scale.</strong> Gross notes that roughly 40 million people turn to ChatGPT for help outside the clinical setting each day, often at night or between visits. They’re using it to understand symptoms, interpret medical advice and navigate a fragmented healthcare system.</li>
<li><strong>Clinicians don’t want another AI tool. They want less friction.</strong> From documentation and inbox overload to prior authorizations and evidence review, physicians are looking for ways to reduce administrative burden and focus on patient care. Generative AI, when applied well, can help “sweep the floor” of repetitive work.</li>
<li><strong>ChatGPT for clinicians expands access beyond health systems.</strong> Previously, OpenAI’s healthcare tools were deployed through enterprise environments. This new release allows individual physicians, nurses and other providers to access clinical-grade AI tools directly, regardless of where they practice.</li>
<li><strong>Healthcare is shifting from “if” to “how” with AI.</strong> Health systems are no longer debating whether generative AI is real or ready. Instead, leaders are focused on how to deploy it safely, securely and in ways that improve care without introducing new risks.</li>
<li><strong>Fragmentation remains healthcare’s biggest challenge.</strong> Patients often act as the “integration layer” between specialists, systems and settings. Gross sees AI as a potential tool to help synthesize information, coordinate care and improve communication across the system.</li>
<li><strong>The future of care extends beyond the clinic.</strong> From chronic disease management to hospital-at-home models, AI tools could help patients better understand and follow care plans in their daily lives, improving outcomes between visits, not just during them.</li>
<li><strong>Medical education and research are also evolving.</strong> Gross highlights OpenAI’s work to personalize learning for clinicians and accelerate scientific discovery, including new AI models designed to support biology, genomics and drug development.</li>
<li><strong>Skepticism still matters.</strong> Despite the momentum, Gross emphasizes the importance of validation, clinician oversight and continuous feedback to ensure these tools are used responsibly and effectively.</li>
<li>
<div class="x_elementToProof" role="presentation"><b data-olk-copy-source="MessageBody">Dr. Pearl shares his thoughts.</b> Pearl embraces Gross’s three-part framework of patients, clinicians and health systems, but believes the greatest opportunity lies in transforming how care is delivered. From chronic disease management to AI-powered care in the home, he emphasizes that the real impact will come not from administrative gains, but from improving outcomes at scale—provided healthcare moves fast enough to keep today’s challenges from becoming tomorrow’s crises.</div>
</li>
</ul>
<p>There’s much more in this conversation, including how healthcare leaders should think about AI in long-term planning and a deeper dive into the biggest opportunities that lie ahead.</p>
<p>Tune in to hear what physicians, patients and health systems should expect from the next chapter of medicine.</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the bestselling author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>. <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>X</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #211: How medical culture slowly reshapes physician identity</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/04/15/fhc-211-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2026 16:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this <em>Unfiltered</em> episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, Drs. Robert Pearl and Jonathan Fisher join cohost Jeremy Corr to explore one of medicine’s least discussed forces: how professional culture gradually reshapes physician identity.</p>
<p>The conversation begins with relationships using an unlikely touchpoint: FX’s<em> Love Story: John F. Kennedy Jr. &amp; Carolyn Bessette</em>. Using marriage, friendship, doctor-patient dynamics and colleague trust as a launching point, Pearl and Fisher examine how stress, burnout and emotional spillover affect the people clinicians care about both at home and at work. Fisher draws on his retreat work with healthcare professionals to explain why slowing down, reconnecting socially and stepping outside the clinical environment are often prerequisites for restoring empathy and perspective.</p>
<p>Midway through, the discussion deepens into the powerful theme introduced through the popular SHOWTIME show <em>Billions</em>: the way workplace environments subtly redefine who people become over time. In medicine, that process can begin as early as the first weeks of training. Small acts of conformity, repeated decisions at the edge of one’s values and cultural reinforcement gradually shift how physicians think, behave and ultimately define themselves.</p>
<p>The result is a larger question that runs through the entire episode: How do clinicians preserve their humanity, relationships and deepest values inside a system that often rewards speed, hierarchy and productivity over reflection and connection?</p>
<p>Finally, Jeremy’s closing question on behalf of patients helps to push both physicians to confront a national reality: when specialist access takes months, compassion must be communicated quickly and system design must improve the patient experience itself.</p>
<p><span data-olk-copy-source="MessageBody">For listeners who connected with Jonathan&#8217;s discussion of physician recovery, reflection and emotional renewal, check out his upcoming <a href="https://artoflivingretreatcenter.org/retreat/presenter/dr-robyn-tiger-dr-jonathan-fisher/aspire-a-weekend-for-balance-and-renewal/">ASPIRE physician retreat</a>, a CME-accredited experience for healthcare professionals, taking place June 12-14 in Boone, North Carolina. Use code ASPIRE15 for 15% off registration.</span></p>
<p>For more unfiltered conversation, listen to the full episode and explore these related resources:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #210: Healthcare’s productivity crisis &#038; how vibe coding could help</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/04/07/fhc-210-vibe-coding/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2026 22:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this <em>Diving Deep</em> episode, Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr connect two forces that are beginning to reshape the future of medicine: healthcare’s worsening economic inefficiency and the rise of physician-built generative AI tools.</p>
<p>The conversation opens with a provocative interpretation of the latest U.S. jobs reports. While healthcare has become the nation’s primary engine of employment growth, Dr. Pearl argues that this is not a sign of strength. It is evidence that medicine continues to meet rising demand by adding labor instead of improving productivity. In his view, that failure to modernize is driving higher costs for employers, families and government programs while setting the stage for inevitable disruption.</p>
<p>From there, the discussion shifts to what that disruption could look like. Pearl outlines how generative AI could improve chronic disease monitoring, reduce unnecessary hospital stays and detect inpatient decline earlier than current workflows allow. These advances, he argues, would lower costs not by rationing care but by improving outcomes.</p>
<p>The second half of the episode turns to one of the most practical and exciting developments in generative AI: vibe coding. Here, Pearl explains how physicians can now use plain-English prompts to create customized digital tools that reflect their own clinical judgment and practice preferences. Rather than relying on static handouts or generic patient portals, doctors could build affordable applications that monitor patients continuously between visits and intervene earlier when problems arise.</p>
<p>Taken together, the episode puts forth a clear thesis: healthcare’s worsening economics are not a sign of resilience. They are a sign that medicine has failed to modernize. What’s more: generative AI, especially through vibe coding, may be the most practical path to higher-quality, lower-cost care.</p>
<p>For more, tune into this month’s episode and check out the links below.</p>
<p><strong>Helpful links</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2026/03/02/us-jobs-report-spotlights-healthcares-inefficiency-signals-disruption/">US Jobs Report Spotlights Healthcare’s Inefficiency, Signals Disruption</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2026/03/16/how-vibe-coding-will-reshape-medical-practice/">How Vibe Coding Will Reshape Medical Practice</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>X</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>MTT #105: New science on aging, rising medical debt &#038; healthcare&#8217;s fax problem</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/03/31/mtt-105-new-science-on-aging/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2026 20:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this week’s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, hosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl balance two sides of American healthcare: the encouraging scientific advances that could help people live longer and healthier lives, and the growing affordability and trust crises threatening patients across the country.</p>
<p>The conversation opens on an optimistic note. Dr. Pearl highlights new Yale research showing that aging is far less deterministic than many Americans assume. Rather than a steady and unavoidable decline, the study found that nearly half of adults over 65 improved physically, cognitively or both over a 12-year period.</p>
<p>He pairs that story with new cardiovascular guidance from the American College of Cardiology and the American Heart Association, which shifts prevention toward a much longer time horizon and argues that earlier LDL management could prevent a significant share of heart attacks and strokes later in life.</p>
<p>The episode then pivots to the mounting financial and institutional pressures facing patients, hospitals and public-health agencies. From rising medical debt and medication nonadherence to declining vaccine trust, hospital cost inflation and the political barriers keeping GLP-1 drugs unaffordable in the United States, the discussion captures both the promise and the fragility of healthcare in 2026.</p>
<p>Here are the other major storylines from episode 105:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Supplements fail the evidence test:</strong> Pearl reviews clinical trial data showing that commonly used supplements such as fish oil, garlic, turmeric, cinnamon and red yeast rice performed no better than placebo in lowering LDL, reinforcing the continued value of lifestyle interventions and low-cost statins.</li>
<li><strong>Medical costs continue to destabilize families:</strong> New Gallup-linked research shows that 82 million Americans are already making sacrifices to pay medical bills, from skipping meals to delaying retirement.</li>
<li><strong>Drug unaffordability worsens medication adherence:</strong> A new KFF survey finds that nearly 60% of Americans worry about affording prescriptions, with 43% reporting they have not taken medications as prescribed because of cost.</li>
<li><strong>Generative AI adoption surges among physicians:</strong> According to a new AMA survey, 81% of doctors now use generative AI in clinical practice, most commonly for documentation, literature summaries and chart support.</li>
<li><strong>Hospitals face intensifying economic pressure:</strong> The American Hospital Association reports that care delivery costs rose 7.5% last year, driven by higher labor expenses, drug prices, supply inflation and sicker patients.</li>
<li><strong>Trust in vaccine authorities continues to erode:</strong> Following the legal challenge to RFK Jr.’s overhaul of the federal vaccine advisory committee, new polling shows trust in federal vaccine recommendations has fallen sharply.</li>
<li><strong>Newborn preventive care is now affected by distrust:</strong> Pearl warns that refusal of vitamin K shots, hepatitis B vaccination and antibiotic eye ointment at birth is rising, reversing decades of scientific progress and reintroducing preventable newborn risks.</li>
<li><strong>Alzheimer’s blood tests show progress, but not prediction:</strong> New FDA-cleared blood tests can help identify Alzheimer’s disease as the likely cause of current dementia, but Dr. Pearl explains why they remain far less useful for predicting disease years before symptoms begin.</li>
<li><strong>The fax machine may finally be dying:</strong> In one of the episode’s lighter moments, Dr. Pearl notes that CMS is moving to phase out fax-machine communication across HIPAA-covered entities, a long-overdue modernization step that could save taxpayers nearly $1 billion annually.</li>
<li><strong>Residency match reaches record size:</strong> The 2026 residency match was the largest in history, with more than 48,000 applicants competing for over 44,000 positions.</li>
<li><strong>Early heat waves carry serious health consequences:</strong> With unusual March heat across parts of the country, Dr. Pearl explains why early-season heat is especially dangerous, increasing risks of dehydration, kidney injury, cardiovascular strain and mental health emergencies.</li>
<li><strong>GLP-1 drugs go generic abroad while U.S. prices stay high:</strong> As Novo Nordisk’s blockbuster GLP-1 medications go generic in India and other global markets, Dr. Pearl contrasts international pricing with U.S. costs and argues that congressional inaction on drug pricing remains one of healthcare’s clearest failures.</li>
</ul>
<p>Tune in for more fact-based analysis and practical perspective on the healthcare stories shaping medicine today.</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>X</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #209: What the AMA&#8217;s new CEO is hearing from doctors &#038; patients right now</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/03/24/fhc-209-ama-ceo-john-whyte/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2026 20:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. John Whyte has spent his career at the intersection of medicine, media and public policy. Now, as CEO of the American Medical Association, he hears firsthand what physicians, patients and health leaders are most concerned about and what they expect from the future of healthcare.</p>
<p>That perspective makes him an ideal guest for <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/">Season 11 of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a> </strong>with cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr.</p>
<p>This season’s guests bring more than impressive résumés and large social-media followings. They bring insight into what people across the country are actually talking about: the fears they express, the questions they ask and the expectations they carry into exam rooms, boardrooms and online conversations.</p>
<p>Whyte has held leadership roles at the FDA and Centers for Medicare &amp; Medicaid Services. He later became chief medical officer at WebMD and chief medical expert for Discovery Channel. In each position, he has focused on translating complex medical issues into clear, actionable information.</p>
<p>In this conversation, he shares what he is hearing now and why the answers will require both cultural and structural change.</p>
<h4><strong>Key highlights include:</strong></h4>
<ul>
<li><strong>Three concerns dominate for physicians.</strong> Whyte opens by identifying what he hears most often across the country: frustration with prior authorization and payment incentives in Medicare and Medicaid, anxiety about scope-of-practice changes, and uncertainty about how physicians should lead (rather than react to) the rapid rise of digital health and generative AI.</li>
<li><strong>Medicaid disruption and impact on children. </strong>Whyte explains that policy changes at both federal and state levels could leave vulnerable populations without coverage or access to care. He emphasizes that nearly half of U.S. children rely on Medicaid.</li>
<li><strong>Payment models and physician autonomy.</strong> The discussion explores tensions between fee-for-service, Medicare Advantage and value-based approaches. Whyte argues that physicians must retain meaningful choice in how they practice and get paid, even as consolidation and employment models reduce autonomy.</li>
<li><strong>Generative AI as “augmented intelligence.”</strong> Whyte notes that more than 80% of physicians now use AI tools professionally, largely for documentation and communication tasks. The real opportunity, he says, lies in improving diagnosis, personalization and continuous monitoring.</li>
<li><strong>Home as the future site of care.</strong> From wearables to smart diagnostic devices, Whyte envisions a shift away from episodic office visits toward continuous monitoring and preventive care.</li>
<li><strong>Outcome-based reimbursement.</strong> Pearl asks whether paying for outcomes could unlock broader adoption of AI-enabled tools. Whyte acknowledges the promise but highlights practical challenges, including patient complexity, burnout and the risk that efficiency gains could simply lead to higher patient volumes.</li>
<li><strong>The evolving physician-patient relationship in the AI era.</strong> With a growing share of patients using generative AI before appointments, Whyte encourages clinicians to view digitally informed patients as partners. Open dialogue, trusted sources and shared decision-making, he argues, will define effective care in the years ahead.</li>
</ul>
<p>There’s so much more to this episode. Tune in to find out what physicians and patients should expect from the future of medicine.</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>
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		<title>FHC #208: Why empathy alone won&#8217;t fix healthcare leadership</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/03/18/fhc-208-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2026 15:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this <em>Unfiltered</em> episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr sit down with cardiologist and mindfulness expert Dr. Jonathan Fisher for a wide-ranging conversation about leadership, strategy and the future of physician influence in American medicine.</p>
<p>The discussion begins with a challenge to a popular point of view: that empathy, transparency and trust make for an effective leader in medicine. While those qualities matter, Dr. Pearl argues that healthcare also requires strategic thinking, operational discipline and the ability to align people around a common direction. In medicine, says Dr. Fisher, many physicians are taught how to care for patients but not how to lead organizations.</p>
<p>From there, the conversation expands into the deeper reasons doctors so often remain subordinate to administrators, why burnout makes strategy harder to execute and why the economics of healthcare continue to reward treatment more than prevention.</p>
<p>Some of the key ideas discussed:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Empathy is necessary, but not sufficient. </strong>Healthcare often treats empathy and trust as the highest forms of leadership. Pearl argues that great leaders also need strategic thinking, financial understanding and operational skill.</li>
<li><strong>Doctors are rarely trained to lead. </strong>Fisher and Pearl discuss how physicians are taught to avoid mistakes and follow established pathways, not necessarily to take strategic risks.</li>
<li><strong>Burnout undermines strategy.</strong> A burned-out workforce may struggle to understand, trust or implement leadership goals. Fisher notes that wellness programs can help individuals cope, but they cannot substitute for fixing the systemic forces driving exhaustion.</li>
<li><strong>Primary care remains undervalued. </strong>Pearl argues that fee-for-service medicine fails to reward prevention. Until payment models shift toward capitation and long-term disease control, primary care will continue to be under-supported despite its central importance.</li>
<li><strong>Strategy without implementation goes nowhere.</strong> The group explores the difference between setting a vision and making it real. Pearl argues that healthcare too often suffers from one or the other: plans with no execution or action without coherent strategy.</li>
<li><strong>Physicians need broader leadership development.</strong> To reclaim influence over the future of medicine, doctors will need more than clinical expertise. They will need training in finance, organizational behavior, incentives and the mechanics of large-scale change.</li>
<li><strong>The future of medicine will be collaborative.</strong> As generative AI takes on more algorithmic tasks, doctors who succeed will not be the ones who resist change but those who learn to combine clinical judgment, human connection and technological support.</li>
<li><strong>Pressure changes performance.</strong> Using examples from the Winter Olympics, Fisher explains how elite performers can “freeze” when stress overrides instinct. The same phenomenon can happen in medicine when clinicians are forced into high-stakes moments without the right preparation or support.</li>
<li><strong>Machines don’t freeze.</strong> That observation leads to one of the episode’s most provocative questions: if AI and robotics continue to improve, will certain technical tasks eventually be performed more reliably by machines than by humans under pressure?</li>
<li><strong>Competition should lead to unity, not division. </strong>In the closing segment, the discussion broadens from sports to society with a question from Jeremy Corr, offering the patient’s point of view. Pearl argues that high-level competition should ultimately strengthen collective purpose, whether in athletics, healthcare or public life.</li>
</ul>
<p>For more unfiltered conversation, listen to the full episode and explore these related resources:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #207: Three major healthcare threats GenAI can help solve</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/03/10/fhc-207-three-major-healthcare-threats-genai-can-help-solve/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2026 22:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this <em>Diving Deep</em> episode, Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Cor return to a question listeners have been asking for months: What role will generative AI realistically play in American healthcare?</p>
<p>Dr. Pearl opens the discussion around three urgent threats that, if ignored, may soon become too large and too expensive to solve:</p>
<ol>
<li>The affordability cliff</li>
<li>The chronic disease crisis</li>
<li>The risk of training doctors for the wrong future</li>
</ol>
<p>This examination offers a stark warning about healthcare’s lack of flexibility. Unlike most industries, medicine cannot quickly reconfigure its workforce, adopt new care models or cut costs without years of delay. That rigidity, Pearl argues, is what makes the current moment so dangerous. By the time healthcare leaders respond to major problems, those problems often have already deepened into crises.</p>
<p>The episode’s second half explores whether generative AI could help avert that future. Pearl argues that the technology is already capable of improving chronic disease management, reducing medical errors and extending care into patients’ homes. The larger barrier is no longer technical but cultural.</p>
<p>To illustrate that divide, Pearl uses HBO’s hit show <em>The Pitt</em> to examine how medicine still frames AI as either a helpful tool or an existential threat rather than what it could be: a valuable clinical partner. He credits the show for capturing physicians’ skepticism and enthusiasm but argues that it misses the more important question: not whether AI is perfect, but whether it performs better than clinicians working alone in a system already riddled with error.</p>
<p>Looking further ahead, Pearl argues that when it comes to GenAI taking on clinical tasks once exclusive to humans, the Rubicon has already been crossed. Major health systems are beginning to use generative AI for clinical intake and treatment planning. Large technology companies are building patient-facing health tools tied to personal medical data. And states such as Utah are already testing whether AI can safely handle parts of chronic disease care without direct physician oversight.</p>
<p>Taken together, these developments point toward a new future for medicine. Primary care physicians may spend less time on routine algorithmic tasks and more time on complex patients. Specialists may become more procedural as outpatient evaluation shifts. And health systems that want to benefit from these changes will need to move away from fee-for-service and toward value-based care.</p>
<p>For more on these developments, tune into this month’s episode and check out the links below.</p>
<p><strong>Helpful links</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2026/01/21/3-healthcare-threats-that-will-soon-become-too-big-to-solve/">Three Healthcare Threats That Will Soon Become Too Big To Solve</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2026/02/03/what-the-pitt-gets-right-wrong-about-generative-ai/">What <em>The Pitt</em> Gets Right And Wrong About Generative AI In Medicine</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2026/02/18/time-to-accept-that-genai-will-replace-much-of-what-clinicians-do/">GenAI Will Replace Much Of What Clinicians Do — It’s Already Happening</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>MTT #104: TrumpRx, rising measles cases &#038; the politics of vaccine science</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/03/04/mtt-104-trumprx/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2026 18:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this week’s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, hosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl unpack a wide range of developments shaping healthcare in America today, including the TrumpRx drug discount program.</p>
<p>From new legislation affecting telehealth and pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs) to the rapid spread of measles and growing public concern about vaccine policy, this month’s discussion highlights the policy decisions and scientific debates influencing medicine right now.</p>
<p>The episode opens with the latest federal legislation passed to avert a government shutdown. While healthcare was not the central focus of this particular political battle, the bill contains several provisions that affect medical practice. These include extensions for telehealth coverage and hospital-at-home programs, reforms targeting PBM transparency and new requirements designed to address “ghost networks” in Medicare Advantage provider directories.</p>
<p>Dr. Pearl explains that while these provisions represent incremental progress, they are unlikely to solve the larger problems driving healthcare costs and access challenges in the United States.</p>
<p><strong>Here are the other major storylines from episode 104:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Healthcare costs remain nation’s top concern:</strong> A new KFF poll finds that healthcare expenses rank above food, housing and utilities as the economic issue Americans worry about most.</li>
<li><strong>Prior authorization frustrations grow:</strong> Many patients report delays or denials of care due to insurance requirements, highlighting persistent tension between insurers, physicians and patients.</li>
<li><strong>Drug pricing debates continue:</strong> Pearl examines a new prescription drug website initiative and explains why it may have limited impact compared with broader policy proposals such as “most favored nation” pricing.</li>
<li><strong>Telehealth’s uncertain future:</strong> Although the latest legislation extends certain pandemic-era flexibilities, the lack of a permanent solution leaves virtual care programs in limbo.</li>
<li><strong>PBM reforms move forward slowly:</strong> New policies aim to increase transparency and reduce incentives tied to drug list prices, though Pearl notes that meaningful change will depend on future implementation.</li>
<li><strong>Site-neutral payment gains attention:</strong> A provision requiring unique identifiers for outpatient services could pave the way for policies that eliminate higher reimbursement for hospital-owned facilities providing identical care.</li>
<li><strong>Measles outbreaks surge:</strong> Nearly a thousand cases have already been reported in 2026, with the overwhelming majority occurring among unvaccinated children.</li>
<li><strong>Trust in the CDC declines:</strong> Polling shows confidence in the agency has dropped significantly following changes to vaccine recommendations.</li>
<li><strong>Independent vaccine review groups emerge:</strong> Medical organizations and states are forming new committees to evaluate vaccine evidence as federal guidance becomes more contested.</li>
<li><strong>Early colon cancer deaths rise:</strong> The death of actor James Van Der Beek at age 48 highlights the growing incidence of colorectal cancer among younger adults and the importance of earlier screening.</li>
<li><strong>FDA confusion over a new flu vaccine:</strong> The agency initially declined to review Moderna’s mRNA-based flu vaccine before reversing course and agreeing to evaluate it ahead of the next flu season.</li>
<li><strong>Younger Americans face worsening health trends:</strong> New claims data suggest chronic disease is appearing earlier among millennials and Gen Z, driven by lifestyle factors and reduced connection to primary care.</li>
<li><strong>Wearable data reveal health disparities:</strong> Apple Watch data show significant differences in resting heart rates across states, reflecting variations in lifestyle, access to care and public health conditions.</li>
</ul>
<p>As the episode concludes, Dr. Pearl warns that growing political conflict around vaccines and biomedical research risks undermining public trust in science. The consequences, he argues, could shape American medicine for decades to come.</p>
<p>Tune in for more fact-based analysis and discussion of the biggest stories in healthcare.</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>
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		<title>FHC #206: What Gen Z expects from healthcare &#038; why it matters</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/02/24/fhc-206-grace-keller/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2026 01:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/">Season 11 of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a> continues its shift away from the traditional top-down model of interviewing CEOs, policymakers and medical leaders to focus this week on something new, different and fascinating: listening to the generation that is inheriting this American healthcare system.</p>
<p>In this episode, Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr speak with <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/gracelynnkeller/">Grace Lynn Keller</a>, VP at Executive Podcast Solutions, former Miss America contestant and the show’s first-ever Gen Z guest.</p>
<p>Grace brings a rare vantage point: Professionally, she is immersed in conversations with healthcare executives. Personally, she is part of the generation that consumes health information through social media, wearables and AI tools. For healthcare professionals, the conversation offers an important lens on how Gen Z gathers health information, how they decide when to seek care and what they expect from clinicians, insurers and government leaders.</p>
<p>One insight stood out immediately. When asked where she would turn first with a non-emergency symptom, Grace answered without hesitation: ChatGPT.</p>
<p>Her answer signals how much the healthcare landscape is changing. While Gen Z may turn to generative AI for initial medical advice, that is only one piece of a broader shift. In this conversation, Grace outlines how her generation is redefining health, prevention and trust. Key insights include:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Verification Over Blind Trust.</strong> Gen Z does not simply accept what it reads online. Grace describes a culture of cross-referencing, double-checking and comparing sources across platforms before acting.</li>
<li><strong>Prevention As Identity.</strong> Her generation emphasizes whole foods, ingredient awareness and minimizing processed products. Health is considered a long-term lifestyle investment rather than reactive medical intervention.</li>
<li><strong>Wearables As Standard Equipment.</strong> Smart watches and rings are commonplace. Continuous data on sleep, movement, heart rate and hormonal cycles shape daily decisions and reinforce prevention.</li>
<li><strong>Convenience And Cost Sensitivity.</strong> Time away from work, co-pays and scheduling delays influence care decisions. If reliable AI-based treatment were available for routine conditions, many Gen Zers would use it immediately.</li>
<li><strong>Mental Health As Mainstream.</strong> Therapy is normalized. Work-life balance is considered protective, not indulgent. “Mental health days” may frustrate older generations but are viewed as necessary boundaries by younger workers.</li>
<li><strong>Skepticism Of Bureaucracy.</strong> Insurance complexity is a major frustration. Deductibles, out-of-pocket maximums and opaque pricing create confusion for first-time independent users.</li>
<li><strong>Demand For Transparency.</strong> Grace compares healthcare to e-commerce: if nearly every other industry offers clear pricing and frictionless purchasing, why not medicine?</li>
<li><strong>Alcohol And Cultural Moderation.</strong> Among her peers, alcohol consumption is more situational and less habitual. Health-conscious decision-making extends beyond diet and exercise.</li>
<li><strong>Education Gaps.</strong> Public school health education was limited largely to sex ed and anti-drug messaging. She sees schools as the only scalable venue to improve health literacy nationwide.</li>
</ul>
<p>There’s so much more to this episode. Tune in to find out what the next generation of patients expects from doctors, nurses and healthcare leaders.</p>
<p><strong>Helpful links</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>“<a href="https://thefulcrum.us/media-technology/tiktok-to-telehealth-3-ways-medicine-must-evolve-to-reach-gen-z">From TikTok to Telehealth: 3 Ways Medicine Must Evolve to Reach Gen Z</a>” (Fulcrum)</li>
<li>“<a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/09/16/fhc-188-diving-deep/">Why younger patients turn away from doctors &amp; toward GenAI</a>” (Fixing Healthcare podcast)</li>
<li>“<a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/04/10/outdated-thinking-by-healthcare-regulators-will-cost-american-lives/">Healthcare Regulators’ Outdated Thinking Will Cost American Lives</a>” (Forbes)</li>
<li>“<a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American-ebook/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ">ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Doctors and Patients Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</a>” (Pearl’s newest book)</li>
</ul>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #205: What ‘F1’ movie teaches us about leadership in medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/02/18/fhc-205-what-f1-movie-teaches-us-about-leadership-in-medicine/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2026 15:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this <em>Unfiltered</em> episode of <a href="http://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><strong><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></strong></a>, hosts <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a></strong> sit down with cardiologist and mindfulness expert Dr. Jonathan Fisher for a wide-ranging conversation on leadership, culture and team performance, inspired by lessons from the movie <em>F1</em>.</p>
<p>What begins as a discussion about racing quickly becomes a deep exploration of how high-performing teams operate under pressure. In the movie (and in real Formula 1 racing), success depends not on a single star driver but on flawless coordination, communication and shared accountability. The same, the trio argues, is true in healthcare where patient outcomes increasingly depend on the strength of teams, not individual brilliance.</p>
<p>From there, Drs. Pearl and Fisher focus on how leaders are developed, how to handle disruptive personalities, how to align departments and how physicians can prepare for long-term career success in a rapidly changing healthcare landscape that includes the rise of generative AI.</p>
<h3><strong>Some of the key ideas discussed:</strong></h3>
<ul>
<li><strong>Healthcare is a team sport. </strong>Like an F1 pit crew, modern medical teams operate in high-stakes, time-sensitive environments. Excellence requires clarity of roles, rehearsal, debriefing and mutual trust not just individual skill.</li>
<li><strong>Leadership can be learned. </strong>Charisma helps, but effective leadership is less about personality and more about behavior. Empathy, emotional regulation and intentional communication are skills that can be developed with practice.</li>
<li><strong>Delivery often matters more than content. </strong>Fisher emphasizes the gap between what leaders intend to communicate and what their teams hear. Non-verbal cues (posture, tone, eye contact and “prosody”) often determine whether a message lands.</li>
<li><strong>Curiosity over judgment. </strong>When faced with disruptive or “toxic” behavior, leaders must stay regulated, address unacceptable actions clearly and then seek to understand the underlying drivers.</li>
<li><strong>Culture flows from leadership. </strong>If an entire department resists change, the issue often centers on the department’s leader. Alignment requires clarity of values, expectations and consequences … and sometimes difficult conversations.</li>
<li><strong>Excellence requires transparency. </strong>High-performing organizations define standards, measure outcomes and make performance visible. Coaching and incentives must align with expectations.</li>
<li><strong>Physician leaders need training not just promotion. </strong>The group discusses how brilliant clinicians are often elevated into leadership roles without preparation, and why formal leadership development is essential for healthcare’s future.</li>
<li><strong>Planning for succession matters. </strong>Pearl points out that great leaders build a “bench.” Teams should be structured to endure transitions, not collapse when one individual exits.</li>
<li><strong>The future of medicine will reward human skills. </strong>As generative AI takes on more algorithmic tasks, communication, empathy and leadership will become even more essential competencies for physicians.</li>
</ul>
<p>Throughout the episode, Dr. Fisher reminds listeners that leadership is not about dominance or perfection. It is about presence, self-awareness and the willingness to understand how others think, feel and respond. For more unfiltered conversation, listen to the full episode and explore these related resources:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>MTT #103: Can generative AI safely prescribe medicine on its own?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/02/11/mtt-103-ai-prescribe/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2026 17:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this week’s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, hosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl examine a sweeping set of developments shaping American healthcare. From the first state-approved use of generative AI to prescribe medications without human oversight to rising healthcare costs, from worsening vaccine misinformation to the stubborn persistence of preventable disease, this show focuses on biggest stories in medicine today.</p>
<p>The episode opens with a groundbreaking and controversial pilot program in Utah that allows a generative AI system to renew prescriptions for chronic disease without physician involvement.</p>
<p>From there, the conversation turns to the relentless rise in healthcare spending. New federal data show Americans now spend more than $15,700 per person annually on medical care, with costs growing twice as fast as the economy.</p>
<p>While insurance coverage remains high for now, Pearl warns that expiring subsidies, Medicaid restrictions and rising premiums are already pushing millions out of coverage. For many families, healthcare affordability has become a top issue and, increasingly, a political fault line heading into the midterm election cycle.</p>
<p><strong>Here are more major storylines from MTT episode 103:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Exercise as medicine for depression:</strong> A large meta-analysis finds that regular exercise can be as effective as antidepressant medication for many patients.</li>
<li><strong>Trump’s healthcare plan fades quickly:</strong> Pearl explains why the president’s proposal disappeared from the headlines.</li>
<li><strong>Measles returns in force:</strong> Cases are nearing 1,000 and outbreaks concentrated in under-vaccinated communities.</li>
<li><strong>Vaccine battles intensify under RFK Jr.:</strong> New appointments to federal advisory committees raise alarm among scientists, as anti-vaccine voices gain influence.</li>
<li><strong>Chronic disease remains America’s top killer:</strong> Cardiovascular disease continues to claim nearly one million lives annually.</li>
<li><strong>Generative AI’s biggest promise:</strong> Pearl makes the case that AI-driven, at-home monitoring could finally transform chronic disease management.</li>
<li><strong>Cancer trends turn ominous:</strong> Colorectal cancer deaths among Americans under 50 are rising sharply, becoming the leading cancer killer in this age group.</li>
<li><strong>Genetics vs. lifestyle revisited:</strong> New research suggests genetics may account for half of lifespan variation but lifestyle still determines how many of those years are lived in good health.</li>
<li><strong>High-deductible health plans:</strong> New data show cancer patients with high-deductible insurance have significantly higher mortality.</li>
<li><strong>GLP-1 weight-loss pills arrive:</strong> The first oral GLP-1 drug launches to record demand.</li>
<li><strong>A devastating flu season for children:</strong> Despite the availability of safe vaccines, pediatric flu deaths reach alarming levels among unvaccinated kids.</li>
</ul>
<p>As the episode closes, Dr. Pearl delivers a stark warning about the resurgence of pseudoscience in medicine. Tune in for more fact-based coverage and analysis of healthcare’s biggest stories.</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>
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		<title>FHC #204: Why healthcare chaos didn&#8217;t lead to change &#038; what comes next</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/02/03/fhc-204-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2026 22:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This <em>Diving Deep</em> episode with <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> looks at U.S. healthcare across three time horizons: past, present and future.</p>
<p>The hosts use 2025 as a case study in disruption without reform, 2026 as a year of mounting pressure and near-term transition, and the coming decade as a period when generative AI will fundamentally reshape how medicine is practiced.</p>
<h3><strong>Looking back at 2025</strong></h3>
<p>Dr. Pearl argues that despite political upheaval, executive orders, agency shakeups and constant headlines, American healthcare ended the year largely unchanged. Just more expensive and less trusted. He walks through five domains where chaos dominated but improvement failed to materialize. The throughline? Intense disruption produced little structural change in care delivery, affordability or outcomes.</p>
<h3><strong>Turning to 2026</strong></h3>
<p>The conversation shifts from stagnation to <em>pressure</em>. Pearl identifies two forces that make inaction increasingly risky: the midterm elections and accelerating healthcare costs. He outlines how that pressure is likely to shape behavior across the system — not through sweeping reform, but through targeted, politically visible moves.</p>
<h3><strong>Looking further ahead</strong></h3>
<p>Pearl describes how generative AI could alter medicine at a profound level, especially through the convergence of AI and surgical robotics. He argues that autonomous surgery, once the realm of science fiction, is now technologically plausible and could upend long-standing hierarchies between cognitive and procedural specialties.</p>
<p><strong>Helpful links</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/12/15/healthcare-in-2025-a-year-of-chaos-confusion---but-little-improvement/">Healthcare In 2025: A Year Of Chaos, Confusion — But Little Improvement</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2026/01/05/healthcare-in-2026-how-much-change-should-we-expect/">Healthcare In 2026: How Much Change Should We Expect?</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/12/01/will-your-next-surgeon-be-a-robot/">Will Your Next Surgeon Be A Robot?</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #203: Dead ends, failures &#038; the unlikely path to medical progress</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/01/27/fhc-203-lindsey-fitzharris-3/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2026 23:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>As part of Season 11 of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, which spotlights influential voices with large followings and direct insight into how real people experience medicine, <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> welcome back medical historian <a href="https://drlindseyfitzharris.com/">Dr. Lindsey Fitzharris</a> for her third appearance on the show, this time joined by her husband and creative partner, illustrator <a href="https://www.adrianteal.com/">Adrian Teal</a>.</p>
<p>Together, Lindsey and Adrian bring a rare combination of scholarly depth, storytelling and massive digital reach. Lindsey’s work on medical history has captivated millions across books, television and social platforms, while Adrian’s instantly recognizable art has built a massive following online. Their latest collaboration is the children’s book <a href="https://drlindseyfitzharris.com/book-dead-ends/">Dead Ends: Flukes, Flops &amp; Failures That Sparked Medical Marvels</a>, which sits at the center of this wide-ranging and unexpectedly personal conversation.</p>
<p>The episode begins with a deceptively simple premise: medicine advances not in straight lines but through failure. Lindsey explains her long-standing fascination with scientific dead ends and why medicine often hides them from public view. <em>Dead Ends</em>, she says, was written to show children (and adults) that changing guidance is not a sign of incompetence, but evidence of learning in real time.</p>
<p>Adrian adds that humor, exaggeration and even “gross-out” visuals aren’t just entertainment. They’re how curiosity is sparked and how complex medical ideas become memorable.</p>
<p>The discussion unfolds across centuries of medical missteps and breakthroughs.</p>
<p>Lindsey and Adrian share favorite stories from the book, including early experiments with galvanism, the guillotine’s unexpected medical legacy and how inventions routinely escape the intentions of their creators.</p>
<p>One standout example is Martin Couney, an outsider who used a Coney Island sideshow to fund incubator care for premature infants. His invention would go on to save thousands of lives even though the medical establishment initially dismissed the technology.</p>
<p>Shifting from history to the present, Lindsey and Adrian reflect on what past failures teach us about regulation, ethics and risk today. While modern safeguards exist for good reason (many historical experiments exploited vulnerable populations) the group wrestles with how to encourage responsible innovation without freezing progress. They also explore how public trust erodes when scientific uncertainty is poorly communicated, especially in a media environment where misinformation travels faster than nuance.</p>
<p>The most personal segment arrives when Lindsey discusses her own breast cancer diagnosis, alongside Adrian’s experience with prostate cancer. Their stories ground the episode firmly in Season 11’s focus on lived experience.</p>
<p>For listeners interested in how history, art and personal experience illuminate today’s healthcare debates, this episode offers a vivid reminder that progress is rarely tidy and never inevitable.</p>
<p>For more unfiltered conversation, listen to the full episode and explore these helpful links.</p>
<p><strong>Helpful links</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Children’s book: <a href="https://drlindseyfitzharris.com/book-dead-ends/">Dead Ends: Flukes, Flops &amp; Failures That Sparked Medical Marvels</a></li>
<li>Book: <a href="https://drlindseyfitzharris.com/the-butchering-art/">The Butchering Art</a></li>
<li>Book: <a href="https://drlindseyfitzharris.com/the-facemaker/">The Facemaker</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American-ebook/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ">ChatGPT, MD</a> (Pearl’s newest book)</li>
</ul>
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<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #202: Willpower, doom scrolling &#038; the illusion of control</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/01/20/unfiltered-202/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2026 02:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Robert Pearl’s latest opinion poll, part of his “Monthly Musings” newsletter, asked readers about their <a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/poll-healthy-for-the-holidays/">health goals and habits for 2026</a> (note: studies show <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/janehanson/2025/01/10/why-millions-quit-their-resolutions-today-and-how-you-can-be-the-exception/">most Americans have already quit their resolutions for the year</a>). The result? People want to eat better, workout more and lose weight. And yet, the behaviors that lead to those outcomes are cited as the most difficult things to maintain: good sleep, time management, stress reduction.</p>
<p>In this episode, Pearls joins cohost Jeremy Corr and cardiologist and burnout expert Jonathan Fisher for an “Unfiltered” conversation about why so many resolutions, intentions and goals fail.</p>
<p>The conversation quickly evolves into an evidence-based exploration of human behavior, motivation and the modern forces working against sustained change.</p>
<p>Drawing on psychology, neuroscience and lived experience, the trio explores why knowledge alone rarely changes behavior, how digital environments hijack attention and emotion, and why willpower may be the most overrated concept in self-improvement.</p>
<p>Along the way, the conversation touches on doom scrolling, burnout, fear, parenting in a digital age and the quiet erosion of habits that support mental and physical health. The result is a candid and deeply human examination of why change is so hard … and what might actually help.</p>
<p>Some of the key ideas discussed:</p>
<ul>
<li>Resolutions don’t fail because people are ignorant or lack willpower. Most people already know what they “should” do to improve their health or happiness. The real challenge is not information, but the gap between intention and action.</li>
<li>Willpower is a fragile strategy. The group challenges the idea that success depends on moral strength or discipline. Instead, they emphasize designing environments and systems that make healthy choices easier.</li>
<li>Doom scrolling as emotional regulation. Dr. Fisher describes how endless scrolling often isn’t about boredom, but about managing discomfort, anxiety or feeling low.</li>
<li>Identity shapes behavior more than goals. Habits are easier to sustain when they align with how people see themselves. Someone who identifies as “an athlete” behaves differently than someone who is merely trying to exercise more.</li>
<li>Burnout is both systemic and personal. While organizational pressures matter, Jonathan argues that individual boundaries, values and behavior patterns also play a role in chronic exhaustion and disengagement.</li>
<li>Fear is rising. Robbie reflects on the paradox of growing anxiety despite improvements in crime rates, employment and longevity — and points to social isolation as a key driver.</li>
<li>Phones are changing how we relate to each other. Jeremy raises the now-familiar sight of groups sitting together while staring at screens. The three discuss what this means for connection, attention and the ability to tolerate boredom, especially for children watching adults model behavior.</li>
</ul>
<p>In classic <em>Unfiltered</em> fashion, the episode resists easy answers. Instead, it invites listeners to rethink how change actually happens: not through sheer determination, but through awareness, structure and a more honest understanding of human nature.</p>
<p>For more unfiltered conversation, listen to the full episode and explore these related resources:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>MTT #102: Vaccines under fire, rising disease &#038; the cost of politics in medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/01/13/mtt-102-vaccines/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2026 19:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this week’s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr look closely at the stories and controversies shaping U.S. healthcare at the start of 2026.</p>
<p>From a severe flu season and resurgent vaccine-preventable diseases to drug pricing, autism research and the growing role of AI in medicine, the episode offers a data-driven look at where American healthcare is headed.</p>
<p>The show opens with warnings about infectious disease. A dangerous H3N2 flu strain is driving hospitalizations, particularly among children, while measles and whooping cough outbreaks continue to spread among unvaccinated populations.</p>
<p>To Dr. Pearl, these trends do not appear random. They reflect falling vaccination rates, weakened public-health messaging and growing political interference at federal agencies tasked with protecting the public.</p>
<p>From there, the conversation turns to vaccine policy itself. Recent changes at the CDC (including a sharply reduced childhood vaccine schedule and new recommendations against universal newborn hepatitis B vaccination) raise serious concerns. Pearl explains why comparisons to countries like Denmark (with its reduced vaccine schedule) are deeply misleading, and why abandoning universal vaccination in a fragmented U.S. healthcare system risks reversing decades of progress.</p>
<p>Here’s a look at other must-know stories from this episode of <em>Medicine: The Truth</em>:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Positive vaccine evidence</strong>: New CDC data show significant reductions in emergency visits among children who received COVID vaccines, reinforcing their safety and effectiveness.</li>
<li><strong>Pandemic lessons for children</strong>: Pediatric obesity rose during COVID lockdowns, while mental health outcomes improved after schools reopened, underscoring the tradeoffs of prolonged closures.</li>
<li><strong>Drug pricing deals with manufacturers</strong>: The administration’s agreements with pharmaceutical companies apply narrowly to government purchases and exclude many high-cost drugs, limiting their overall impact.</li>
<li><strong>First oral GLP-1 approved</strong>: The FDA cleared the first pill version of a GLP-1 weight-loss drug, offering convenience but likely remaining unaffordable until prices fall closer to $200 per month.</li>
<li><strong>Autism research update</strong>: Rising autism prevalence is driven largely by broader diagnostic criteria and awareness. Large studies continue to show no link to vaccines or acetaminophen, while new research points to strong genetic factors and distinct autism subtypes.</li>
<li><strong>ACA exchange subsidy uncertainty</strong>: Congress has yet to prevent looming premium increases for millions of exchange enrollees. Pearl argues for avoiding coverage cliffs and capping household contributions as a share of income.</li>
<li><strong>Polypharmacy in seniors</strong>: One in eight Medicare Part D beneficiaries now takes eight or more medications, increasing the risk of side effects, falls and hospitalizations in a fragmented system.</li>
<li><strong>New dietary guidelines</strong>: Federal recommendations now emphasize animal protein alongside stronger warnings against sugar and ultra-processed foods, a shift that may conflict with earlier public-health messaging.</li>
<li><strong>AI’s expanding role in healthcare</strong>: OpenAI’s tools increasingly integrate health data from electronic records and consumer apps, signaling how quickly generative AI is becoming part of medical decision-making.</li>
<li><strong>Medicare and AI oversight</strong>: Traditional Medicare is moving toward AI-assisted prior authorization for certain procedures, a response to fraud and low-value care that Pearl says is inevitable as costs continue to rise.</li>
</ul>
<p>Tune in to <em>Medicine: The Truth</em> for more fact-based coverage and analysis of healthcare’s biggest stories.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn.</strong></a></p>
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		<title>FHC #201: Mark Cuban&#8217;s blunt diagnosis of what&#8217;s broken in healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2026/01/06/fhc-201-mark-cuban/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2026 20:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mark Cuban</strong> approaches healthcare the same way he approaches every industry he enters: by assuming something essential is missing and then asking who benefits from keeping it that way. In American medicine, he believes that missing ingredient is transparency. Not better messaging, not smarter incentives, but simple visibility into how prices are set, who gets paid and who gets taken advantage of.</p>
<p>Cuban is a lifelong healthcare outsider. He is a billionaire entrepreneur, NBA championship team owner and longtime <em>Shark Tank</em> investor. That’s what makes him the perfect guest for Season 11 of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a> with cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a>.</p>
<p>This season’s guests have massive online audiences, but their value isn’t just reach. It’s their ability to listen closely to what millions of patients are experiencing, then translate those insights back into the broader medical conversation. Few guests embody that better than Cuban.</p>
<p>He has quickly become one of the system’s most incisive critics by paying attention to what patients, employers and clinicians repeatedly say is broken. That mindset led to the creation of <strong>Cost Plus Drugs</strong>, a pharmacy built on an idea that sounds radical only because healthcare has drifted so far from it. Show patients the actual cost of a medication, add a flat 15% markup and eliminate the opaque middlemen who thrive in the dark.</p>
<p>In this conversation, Cuban explains how a cold email from a physician opened his eyes to how hidden pharmaceutical pricing had become and why opacity itself became the opportunity.</p>
<p><strong>HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE INTERVIEW </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Why drug prices are detached from reality. </strong>Cuban breaks down how widely used medications, including GLP-1 weight-loss drugs, can cost hundreds or thousands of dollars per month despite far lower manufacturing costs. The driver, he argues, is not innovation or scarcity, but a system dominated by pharmacy benefit managers whose rebate structures reward insurers and intermediaries while excluding patients.</li>
<li><strong>How patients bear the greatest financial harm. </strong>With concrete examples, Cuban explains how people in deductible phases, especially those on ACA plans, often pay full retail prices while rebates flow elsewhere. Costs are spread across millions of plan holders, but the financial pain lands on the people who actually need care.</li>
<li><strong>Why healthcare’s complexity is intentional. </strong>From fax machines to prior authorization delays, Cuban argues that administrative friction is not accidental. It protects incumbents, drains clinician time and forces providers into the role of “subprime lenders,” all while patients struggle to navigate a system designed to obscure accountability.</li>
<li><strong>What he tells CEOs behind closed doors. </strong>Cuban outlines the first questions he asks corporate leaders about their pharmacy benefits, why most are not receiving the rebates they believe they are and how audits are often structured to reveal as little as possible. Transparency, he says, is the first step toward leverage.</li>
<li><strong>A blueprint beyond pharmaceuticals. </strong>The discussion extends into hospitals, insurance design and employer-based coverage, including Cuban’s work on cost-plus wellness contracts that publish negotiated rates so others can replicate them. His goal is not dominance. It is forcing the system to respond by making its incentives visible.</li>
</ul>
<p>Throughout the episode, Cuban’s message is blunt and consistent. Healthcare does not need more jargon, better marketing or marginal tweaks. It needs sunlight. Once pricing, incentives and risk are exposed, many of the system’s most entrenched practices become much harder to justify.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #200: Healthcare&#8217;s cost crisis, GenAI&#8217;s promise + medicine&#8217;s leadership gap</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/12/30/fhc-200-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2025 02:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this <em>Diving Deep</em> episode, the 200th of episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, cohosts<strong> <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> </strong>explore three interconnected themes:</p>
<ol>
<li>The biggest driver of America’s healthcare crisis.</li>
<li>The transformative (and still largely untapped) potential of generative AI.</li>
<li>The strategic leadership physicians must embrace if they hope to regain control of their profession and the care their patients receive.</li>
</ol>
<p>The show opens with a metaphor Pearl has returned to repeatedly in his writing: healthcare’s “invisible gorilla.” Borrowed from classic research on inattentional blindness, the image captures how policymakers, employers and healthcare leaders fixate on insurance mechanics (premiums, subsidies, deductibles) while missing the far larger problem in plain sight: the soaring cost of delivering medical care itself.</p>
<p>From there, the conversation traces how this cost crisis ripples across society. Employers struggle to absorb rising premiums. Workers face higher out-of-pocket costs and job instability. Rural hospitals teeter on the edge of closure. And short-term fixes — from benefit design changes to temporary bailouts — fail to address the underlying mathematical problem.</p>
<p>The hosts then turn to generative AI, not as a billing or documentation solution, but as a clinical force that could reshape care delivery and tremendously lower costs. They examine how genAI could help clinicians manage exploding medical knowledge, prevent errors, personalize inpatient care and extend high-quality monitoring into patients’ homes, particularly for chronic disease.</p>
<p>Finally, the episode widens the lens to leadership and strategy. Drawing lessons from Nvidia and the technology sector, Pearl and Corr explore why medicine’s fragmented, short-term responses have cost physicians influence and what it would take to rebuild leverage through collaboration, accountability and value-based care.</p>
<p>Taken together, the episode sets out to answer a defining question: With pressure mounting across the healthcare system, will medicine act strategically or wait until the crisis leaves no other choice?</p>
<p><strong>Helpful links</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/10/20/what-nvidia-can-teach-doctors-about-strategy-survival/">What Nvidia Can Teach Doctors About Strategy, Survival</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/11/03/from-hospital-to-living-room-5-ways-genai-will-transform-medicine/">5 Ways GenAI Will Transform Medicine — If Clinicians Embrace It</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/11/17/us-healthcares-biggest-problem-overlooking-the-5t-gorilla/">US Healthcare’s Biggest Problem: Overlooking The $5 Trillion Gorilla</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #199: Revisiting ‘The road to AI-empowered healthcare’ from ChatGPT, MD</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/12/23/fhc-199-chatgpt-md/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2025 04:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>As 2025 comes to a close, we’re flashing back to one of the year’s most listened-to episodes of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>. This week, a special reading from Dr. Robert Pearl’s bestselling book “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0CZTGPQC6/">ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</a>.”</p>
<p>This encore episode includes audio from Chapter 11, titled “The Road to AI-Empowered Healthcare,” followed by Chapter 11.5, a bold and thought-provoking response written by ChatGPT itself. Together, these chapters offer a vision of the future that, as Jeremy Corr notes, is “analogous to looking at a baby and trying to describe the adult who will follow.”</p>
<p>Looking back, it’s striking how prescient both the human author and large language model turned out to be. Their commentary on the economic, political and cultural roadblocks to AI adoption feels more timely than ever, especially amid today’s headlines.</p>
<p>In Chapter 11, Pearl lays out the promise of Healthcare 4.0, a future in which generative AI empowers patients and doctors alike to reduce inefficiencies, improve care and reclaim the human side of medicine. Chapter 11.5, penned by ChatGPT, offers a clear-eyed critique, cautioning against overreliance on tech and warning that change requires more than just innovation. It demands leadership.</p>
<p>This flashback offers listeners a rare opportunity to hear a dialogue (human and machine) on what it will take to transform American medicine.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0CZTGPQC6/">Amazon</a>)</li>
<li>A list of Malcolm Gladwell’s 25 book recommendations (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/readswithravi/p/DBu15Weu8z9/?img_index=1">link</a>)</li>
<li>Robert Pearl’s Monthly Musings on American Healthcare newsletter (<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">link</a>)</li>
</ul>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #198: The surprising science of gratitude &#038; the cost of conformity</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/12/16/fhc-198-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2025 00:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>After the Thanksgiving holiday, Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr sit down for an “Unfiltered” discussion about gratitude with cardiologist and burnout expert Dr. Jonathan Fisher.</p>
<p>While the discussion begins with an exploration of the science and value of gratitude, the episode then expands into an analysis of cultural trends in medicine, mental health, and the tension between individual autonomy and collective belonging. With insights drawn from emotion research, Jonathan’s own experience, and even sci-fi television, this episode touches on everything from evolutionary psychology to electronic health records — and from <em>Lord of the Rings</em> to generative AI.</p>
<p>Some of the key ideas discussed:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Gratitude is a mindset, a personality trait and, most importantly, a practice.</strong> Drawiong on research from Dr. Barbara Fredrickson and others to explain how gratitude triggers upward emotional spirals, helping people tap into optimism, empathy and self-trust.</li>
<li><strong>When life is falling apart, gratitude alone isn’t the answer.</strong> In moments of crisis, trying to force a feeling of gratitude can backfire. Instead, we should begin by choosing where to place our attention, cultivating stillness and gradually train our minds to experience positive emotions again.</li>
<li><strong>The real enemy of gratitude might be distraction.</strong> With much of our attention hijacked by devices, media and negativity bias, Americans today often lack the sustained focus required to feel or express authentic gratitude.</li>
<li><strong>There’s wisdom (and warning) in a ‘hive mind.’</strong> The group discusses the Apple TV series <em>Pluribus</em>, in which a virus links humans into a hive mind of total empathy and consensus. While peaceful, the world loses all individuality, sparking a conversation about the tension between belonging and autonomy in medicine, society and self.</li>
<li><strong>A lesson from Samwise Gamgee:</strong> In a heartfelt final segment, Jeremy draws on <em>Lord of the Rings</em> to reflect on the importance of standing by loved ones in dark times. Jonathan responds with insight into isolation, empathy and the power of human connection — even when people seem lost.</li>
</ul>
<p>For more unfiltered conversation, listen to the full episode and explore these related resources:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/12/10/mtt-101-from-measles-outbreaks-to-glp-1-hype-the-data-every-patient-should-know/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2025 21:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this week’s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, hosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl examine a wide range of stories shaping American health. From new research on the lifesaving effects of health insurance to troubling vaccine policy changes in Washington, this episode offers an objective and insightful look at what’s working, what’s failing and what lies ahead.</p>
<p>The show opens with a study that functions as a natural experiment on health coverage. When the IRS sent letters warning uninsured Americans about Affordable Care Act penalties, researchers found a striking result: those who signed up for insurance had significantly lower mortality over the next two years. For Dr. Pearl, the takeaway is clear. As political battles over insurance subsidies begin, the stakes are measured in lives saved and lives lost.</p>
<p>From there, the hosts turn to the second round of Medicare drug price negotiations under the Inflation Reduction Act. Cuts as large as 85% will save billions of dollars, but Pearl warns that negotiating prices alone cannot fix America’s drug-pricing problem. The root issue, he notes, is the ability of manufacturers to extend monopolies for years through patent thickets, evergreening and litigation strategies that delay competition. Until those practices change, the United States will continue paying far more than any other nation.</p>
<p>Here are more pressing stories from this month’s episode of <em>Medicine: The Truth</em>:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Expiring ACA subsidies</strong>: Enhanced marketplace subsidies for 24 million Americans are scheduled to sunset, threatening large premium hikes.</li>
<li><strong>Private insurance costs</strong>: Covering a family of four now averages $27,000 per year. Employers may shift even more of the burden onto employees.</li>
<li><strong>U.S. health spending vs peer nations</strong>: America spends nearly $14,000 per person on healthcare, far above any comparable nation, yet underinvests in preventing and managing chronic disease complications.</li>
<li><strong>Measles resurgence</strong>: Falling vaccination rates and permissive school exemptions have made measles endemic again, with outbreaks in multiple states.</li>
<li><strong>Biosimilars and insulin pricing</strong>: The FDA plans to streamline biosimilar approvals by focusing on molecular similarity rather than repeated clinical trials.</li>
<li><strong>COVID infections during pregnancy</strong>: A Massachusetts study of nearly 18,000 births found higher rates of neurodevelopmental diagnoses in children whose mothers had COVID while pregnant.</li>
<li><strong>Social media and mental health</strong>: In a small study, young adults who reduced daily social media use from two hours to 30 minutes saw sharp drops in anxiety and depression.</li>
<li><strong>Obesity trends and GLP-1s</strong>: New Gallup data show adult obesity declining slightly from 40% to 37% since 2022, with the largest gains among women ages 40 to 64 (a popular demographic for drugs like Ozempic).</li>
<li><strong>Estrogen therapy reconsidered</strong>: The FDA has removed its black box warning from estrogen-containing products after new evidence showed substantial cardiovascular, bone and cognitive benefits when started near menopause.</li>
</ul>
<p>As the episode continues, Dr. Pearl highlights fascinating findings on peanut allergies and preterm birth disparities, looks at the likelihood of a severe flu season with the new H3N2 strain and a stern warning about the politicization of vaccine decisions.</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>
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		<title>FHC #197: Artificial wombs &#038; medical tourism – Draper siblings on healthcare&#8217;s next wave</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/12/02/fhc-197-drapers/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2025 20:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The Draper name is synonymous with Silicon Valley risk-taking. For decades, venture capitalist Tim Draper made bold bets on breakthrough technologies long before they went mainstream (see: Bitcoin). Today, two members of the next generation — siblings Jesse and Adam Draper — are directing that same appetite for innovation toward one of America’s most troubled industries: healthcare.</p>
<p>Jesse, founding partner at Halogen Ventures, focuses on the “future of family,” backing companies that support women, parents and caregivers (nurses, in particular). Adam, founder of Boost VC, invests in frontier breakthroughs and “sovereign health” technologies with outsized potential. Together, they spend their days reviewing hundreds of pitches from entrepreneurs trying to solve real-world problems. And in this episode, they share what they believe patients and consumers are seeking most.</p>
<p>This is <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/">Season 11 of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a>, which is dedicated to elevating voices with large public followings: people who, through their work, hear directly from communities, consumers and healthcare professionals. Neither Draper sibling is a healthcare insider. But both bring a candid, outside-in perspective shaped by global innovation, millennial tech culture and thousands of conversations with founders.</p>
<p>Across the interview, the siblings highlight what they believe entrepreneurs are betting on: globalized innovation, new regulatory models and technologies that bypass traditional bottlenecks. Adam points to places like Prospera, a special economic zone in Honduras where companies develop treatments they can’t test in the U.S., while Jesse cites early-stage breakthroughs like Kangaroo’s artificial womb and tools that help families piece together trustworthy scientific evidence. Both describe a rising pattern of medical tourism driven by patients who feel the U.S. system is too slow, too fragmented and too expensive.</p>
<p>Jesse also delivers the episode’s most memorable moment, describing ChatGPT as a “best friend” she consults for everything from parenting decisions to symptom interpretation. Her approach — asking AI to cite real studies and synthesize global data — reflects a generational shift in how people gather information long before seeing a doctor.</p>
<p>In his closing remarks, Dr. Robert Pearl praises their patient-centered instincts while adding the guardrails often missing from Silicon Valley conversations. Innovation can save lives, he notes, but only when safety and cost stay in balance. Excess regulation slows progress, yet unchecked enthusiasm fuels hype and high-priced products that add little value.</p>
<p>The central challenge, he argues, is building a healthcare system bold enough to welcome breakthrough ideas and disciplined enough to ensure they improve outcomes and lower costs, not just generate revenue.</p>
<p><strong>Helpful links</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>“<a href="https://engineerine.com/japans-artificial-womb-breakthrough/">Japan has created the first artificial womb</a>” (Engineerine)</li>
<li><a href="https://europeans24.com/2025/04/the-rise-and-reckoning-of-prospera-a-libertarian-experiment-in-honduras/">Prospera, Roatán ZEDE</a> (background and news)</li>
<li>“<a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/04/10/outdated-thinking-by-healthcare-regulators-will-cost-american-lives/">Healthcare Regulators’ Outdated Thinking Will Cost American Lives</a>” (Forbes)</li>
<li>“<a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American-ebook/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ">ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Doctors and Patients Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</a>” (Pearl’s newest book)</li>
</ul>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #196: Revisiting Thanksgiving 2020 at Covid’s peak</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/11/25/fhc-196-revisiting-thanksgiving-2020/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2025 04:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>For this Thanksgiving week, we’re revisiting an important and emotionally charged episode from the first season of “Medicine: The Truth.” <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">=</span> When this episode debuted in 2020, the podcast was called “Coronavirus: The Truth,” which began when readers of Dr. Robert Pearl’s newsletter, “Monthly Musings on American Healthcare,” started asking for much-needed facts and context surrounding the pandemic.</p>
<p>It was a moment hard to fathom now. Covid cases were climbing fast, the nation was exhausted and vaccines weren’t yet available. Fear and frustration were everywhere. Five years later, with vaccines protecting all but the most vulnerable, it’s worth remembering just how uncertain and divisive the world felt heading into those holidays.</p>
<p>A big question people wanted answered was whether they should change their Thanksgiving plans. Dr. Anthony Fauci had urged Americans to avoid big gatherings. The reaction was immediate and intense. Polls showed three in four people were less excited about the holidays than the year before. Families were fighting over safety. Many felt hopeless and isolated. Against that backdrop, listeners asked the question weighing on millions: Should we gather at all?</p>
<p>In this rerun, Dr. Robert Pearl revisits the facts that mattered most at the time: why drug makers were pausing some vaccine and treatment trials, what was happening on college campuses and why premature births had unexpectedly declined during lockdowns. He explains why he expected 500,000 Covid deaths, a number that shocked listeners in 2020 but ultimately proved accurate (by half).</p>
<p>The episode also dives into deeper issues that shaped the national mood. Most of all, it captures the anger and divisiveness that blanketed the country. A tension that continues today.</p>
<p>There is much our nation can learn today from the experiences of five years ago. This Thanksgiving rerun offers a powerful reminder of where we were and how far we’ve come.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/">ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>
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		<title>FHC #195: Dr. Julie Fisher on medicine, marriage &#038; misogyny</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/11/19/fhc-195-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2025 16:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This special episode of <em>Unfiltered</em> departs from its usual cadence and lineup as cardiologist Jonathan Fisher is joined this week by his wife, oncologist Dr. Julie Fisher.</p>
<p>Together with hosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl, the group embarks on a candid, unscripted conversation that begins with a literal and metaphorical climb. Julie and Jonathan recount their joint ascent of Mount Everest (Julie’s idea, not Jonathan’s) and then quickly moves into deeper terrain: <strong>the persistence of sexism in medicine</strong>.</p>
<p>In this important conversation, Julie opens up about her experiences as a woman in a field where hierarchy and status remain firmly entrenched. She offers a nuanced yet unflinching account of the barriers she’s faced, from inappropriate comments and dismissiveness to more insidious forms of bias in academic and clinical settings. She describes the pressure to be more nurturing, friendly, likeable and even more accessible to patients than male colleagues. And yet, when it came time to seek a promotion, Julie was told these skills – which were both encouraged and expected – weren’t valued as much as significantly as other skills (namely, getting published in academic medical journals).</p>
<p>To this day, these unequal pressures undermine a woman’s ability to lead with authority, to express frustration or to achieve equal footing in the medical profession.</p>
<p>Though born from a partnership between husband and wife, this <em>Unfiltered</em> episode invites a broader reckoning in medicine. It is a chance to look closely and honestly at questions of power, perception and equality in American healthcare.</p>
<p>For more unfiltered conversation, listen to the full episode and explore these related resources:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.wfae.org/show/charlotte-talks-with-mike-collins/2025-04-21/breast-cancer-diagnoses-rising-fastest-among-young-women"><strong>Breast cancer diagnoses rising fastest among young women</strong></a> (Charlotte Talks interview with Julie Fisher)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #194: A flashback to Dr. Jen Gunter&#8217;s fearless fight for truth in women&#8217;s health</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/11/11/fhc-194-flashback-jen-gunter/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2025 04:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Before TikTok myth-busting and Instagram reels took over the health education space, <a href="https://drjengunter.com/about-me/">Dr. Jen Gunter</a> dominated Twitter (now “X”) as medicine’s fiercest advocate for women’s health.</p>
<p>Dr. Gunter built a massive following by calling out dangerous pseudoscience, exposing sexism in medicine and championing evidence‑based care. In this flashback episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, we revisit a standout conversation from Season 5 (air date: March 15, 2021). This one feels especially relevant during the show’s current Season 11, which highlights medical influencers who hear directly from millions of patients and can reflect those concerns and conversations back to us.</p>
<p>With more Americans relying on influencers for answers about their bodies, brains and overall health, this rerun brings back the voice of an original myth‑buster: a physician who helped build the very space that others now occupy.</p>
<p>Dr. Gunter, a board‑certified OB‑GYN and bestselling author of <em>The Vagina Bible</em> and <em>The Menopause Manifesto</em>, continues to use her platforms to challenge misleading products, expose medical gaslighting and normalize conversations surrounding women’s bodies. Her newest book, <a href="https://www.kensingtonbooks.com/9780806540689/blood/"><em>Blood: The Science, Medicine, and Mythology of Menstruation</em></a>, takes aim at decades of cultural myth and medical misinformation about periods with the aim of replacing shame with science.</p>
<p>In this episode, she speaks with Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr about:</p>
<ul>
<li>the harm caused by pseudoscience and wellness influencers.</li>
<li>the ways sexism shapes the medical system and patient care.</li>
<li>why clinicians must fight misinformation as fiercely as disease itself.</li>
</ul>
<p>This timely flashback pairs perfectly with recent Season 11 conversations featuring <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/09/30/fhc-190-tiktoks-favorite-ob-gyn/">Dr. Danielle Jones</a> and <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/10/14/fhc-191-joel-bervell/">Dr. Joel Bervell</a>, two leaders in the next generation of medical myth‑busting. Listen to this episode and ask yourself: What has changed in the 4.5 years since Gunter’s original interview? What hasn’t?</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>X</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>MTT #100: From COVID-19 to ChatGPT, a close look at the last 5 years   </title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/11/04/mtt-100/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2025 20:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>When this podcast launched in March 2020 as <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>, hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr set out to give listeners clear science and accurate analysis during a moment of chaos. Now, 100 episodes later, as <strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong>, the duo sit down and revisit the most important medical stories of the past five years, explaining what the nation learned, what it didn’t and what urgent questions remain.</p>
<p>The episode opens where the show began: the early days of COVID-19, when exponential spread of the virus threatened to overwhelm U.S. hospitals. Pearl walks through the original goals of public-health measures like masking and social distancing. He reflects on what the country got right, what it got wrong, and why communication failures around testing and vaccines deepened distrust that still affects medicine today.</p>
<p>But as the crisis evolved, so did the podcast. What began as a weekly pandemic explainer shifted into a broader analysis of why the United States spends more on healthcare than any other wealthy nation, yet it delivers worse outcomes.</p>
<p>In this episode, the conversation moves from reflections on the pandemic to a look at some of the show’s longest-running themes: clinician burnout, workforce shortages and a healthcare system struggling to meet rising demand.</p>
<p>Alongside the difficult news that lingers in American healthcare, episode 100 also highlights genuine progress: breakthroughs against Alzheimer’s and colon cancer, advances in prevention and diagnosis, and a growing role for generative AI.</p>
<p>Pearl explains how GenAI could save hundreds of thousands of lives, reduce medical errors, increase healthcare affordability and alleviate clinician burnout. But, none of this will happen unless the financial incentives shift away from fee-for-service and toward value.</p>
<p>Pearl closes with a simple message: crises will return, and science can save lives. However, success will require Americans to follow the research rather than be distracted by politics. To prepare for the next pandemic, he argues that the nation must better control chronic disease, rely on scientifically validated clinical evidence, and reward superior clinical outcomes, rather than simply the volume of care provided.</p>
<p>The first 100 episodes of what is now <em>Medicine: The Truth</em> serve as clear and powerful reminders of the dedication and courage of doctors, nurses and other healthcare professionals. But they also warn of how easy it can be for the American healthcare system to lose its way.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>
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		<title>FHC #193: What’s fueling medical mistrust &#038; why startups fail</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/10/28/fhc-193-whats-fueling-medical-mistrust-why-startups-fail/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2025 22:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this <em>Diving Deep</em> episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> examine two pressing topics: the hidden causes of patient mistrust in doctors and the top reasons healthcare startups fall short.</p>
<p>The episode begins with a striking question: Why don’t Americans trust their doctors anymore?</p>
<p>For most of the past century, physicians were among the most trusted professionals in America. But recent Gallup data reveals that just 44% of Americans now rate their care as “good” or “excellent,” and trust in physicians’ honesty and ethics has fallen to its lowest level in over 20 years.</p>
<p>While COVID-19 and political division may seem like obvious culprits, Pearl traces the real cause to an inflection point back more than two decades ago. That’s when medicine’s greatest challenge shifted from treating short-term illnesses to managing chronic diseases, conditions that require time, coordination and repeated follow-up.</p>
<p>Instead of adapting, the system stagnated. Doctors remained siloed in fee-for-service models that reward volume over outcomes. Insurers rationed access. Appointments became harder to get. Visits were rushed. Misdiagnoses rose. And patients began to feel abandoned.</p>
<p>In the second half of the episode, the hosts turn to the topic of healthcare innovation and why so many startups fail to live up to their promise. Despite record funding, the graveyard of failed startups keeps growing.</p>
<p>Pearl outlines the five most common pitfalls but also offers hope. Startups that understand patient needs, partner with clinicians and understand the system’s reimbursement models can still succeed.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/10/06/the-hidden-reason-for-americans-declining-trust-in-their-doctors/">The Hidden Reason For Americans’ Declining Trust In Their Doctors</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/09/22/how-to-avoid-these-5-mistakes-healthcare-startups-make/">How To Avoid 5 Common Mistakes Healthcare Startups Make</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/10/28/fhc-193-whats-fueling-medical-mistrust-why-startups-fail/">FHC #193: What’s fueling medical mistrust &#038; why startups fail</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #192: Flashback to ‘burnout and the physician career arc’</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/10/21/fhc-192-flashback-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2025 03:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>With Dr. Jonathan Fisher’s upcoming <a href="https://www.ecbsummit.com/"><strong>Ending Clinician Burnout Global Summit</strong></a> (Nov. 6–7) just around the corner, hosts <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> and <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> revisit one of the trio’s most powerful <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/10/08/fhc-150-unfiltered/"><em>Unfiltered</em></a> conversations ever.</p>
<p>When this episode first aired a year ago, burnout among doctors was at crisis levels, fueled by long hours, bureaucratic burdens and a culture that rewarded perfectionism over self‑care.</p>
<p>Dr. Fisher, a cardiologist, mindfulness expert and organizational well‑being leader, brought both science and empathy to the discussion. The group explored how systemic challenges — such as burnout, the loss of physician autonomy and the growing influence of private equity — are reshaping the trajectory of medical careers.</p>
<p>Listeners concerned about clinician wellness will gain fresh perspective ahead of this year’s summit, where Dr. Pearl’s bestselling book <strong><em>ChatGPT, MD</em> </strong>will be featured as a guide to how AI‑empowered physicians can reclaim time, reduce burnout and refocus their energy on what matters most: caring for patients.</p>
<h3><strong>Topics from this episode included:</strong></h3>
<ul>
<li>The burnout epidemic. Dr. Fisher reflects on how increasing administrative burdens, declining autonomy and career dissatisfaction have led many physicians to leave the field or seek non-clinical roles.</li>
<li>Restoring meaning and fulfillment. Drs. Pearl and Fisher discuss the importance of restoring meaning to physicians’ work by offering leadership opportunities and emphasizing the creative, humanistic aspects of medicine.</li>
<li>The role of leadership in medicine. Drawing from his experience as CEO at Kaiser Permanente for 18 years, Dr. Pearl highlights how leadership training can empower doctors to take control of their practice.</li>
<li>Balancing career and personal life. Both Fisher and Pearl emphasize the difficulty of balancing the demands of a medical career with personal fulfillment.</li>
</ul>
<p>For more unfiltered conversation, listen to the full episode and explore these related resources:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/10/21/fhc-192-flashback-unfiltered/">FHC #192: Flashback to ‘burnout and the physician career arc’</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #191: Dr. Joel Bervell on medical bias &#038; the power of storytelling</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/10/14/fhc-191-joel-bervell/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2025 23:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Season 11 of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a> continues its exploration of medicine’s rising influencers with a conversation that reveals how patients can advocate for themselves, how doctors can confront bias they don’t even realize they have, and how storytelling on TikTok is changing medical education.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> welcome <a href="https://www.instagram.com/joelbervell/">Joel Bervell</a>, a Ghanaian-American physician, resident in training, Peabody award winner and social media star. Known to millions on TikTok and Instagram as the “Medical Mythbuster,” Bervell shares how he uses short-form video content to expose racial and cultural bias in medicine, challenge misinformation and make complex science more engaging for the next generation of healthcare professionals and patients alike.</p>
<p>Bervell kicks off the conversation by identifying three of the most common and compelling questions he hears from his followers:</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>What should I ask my doctor to make sure I feel heard?</strong><br />
Bervell explains that many patients, especially those from marginalized communities, worry about being dismissed or misunderstood during doctor visits. What physicians may view as “basic” questions often reflect deeper fears about not being taken seriously. He reminds listeners that the “curse of knowledge” in medicine can cause clinicians to forget what it feels like to lack expertise and power in the exam room.</li>
<li><strong>How can I best advocate for a loved one receiving care?</strong><br />
From hospitalizations to end-of-life decisions, Bervell says he frequently receives messages from people unsure how to support a friend or family member facing a serious health challenge. These questions reveal the deep emotional labor patients and families take on, as well as the need for better health literacy tools and guidance from clinicians.</li>
<li><strong>How do race and background affect the care I receive?</strong><br />
Every day, Bervell is inundated with personal stories from people of color who feel ignored, disbelieved or mistreated in medical settings. His content sheds light on how bias, systemic inequality and flawed clinical guidelines contribute to these experiences. He also highlights the lack of formal education around these topics in many medical schools (a gap he’s working to fill with his mythbusting videos).</li>
</ol>
<p>Throughout the episode, Bervell and the hosts explore the tension between clinical intent and patient perception, the power of storytelling in medical education, and the critical role of representation both in medical school and in the media.</p>
<p>Dr. Pearl closes the conversation by telling Bervell, “We’ve had clinical experts, leaders of national societies and presidential candidates on our Fixing Health Care podcast, and I can tell you I’ve learned more from you today than from any guest that I can think of in the past … I’m sure our listeners have enjoyed the show, and they too are much smarter when it comes to healthcare now than they were before you began.”</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/10/14/fhc-191-joel-bervell/">FHC #191: Dr. Joel Bervell on medical bias &#038; the power of storytelling</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #99: The frightening state of U.S. medicine as politics replace science</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/10/07/mtt-99-halloween/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2025 22:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This Halloween-themed episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a> finds hosts <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> and <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> confronting the real horrors haunting American medicine today.</p>
<p>When Corr asks what scares him most, Dr. Pearl doesn’t hesitate: it’s the chaos, confusion and politicization that have replaced science and reason. From vaccine policy to drug and insurance pricing to Medicaid cuts, Pearl explains how bad decisions by government and industry leaders are endangering lives.</p>
<p>The conversation begins with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s newly appointed vaccine advisory committee, whose erratic decisions could jeopardize national immunization efforts and patient trust. It moves quickly to Donald Trump’s claim that Tylenol use during pregnancy causes autism. Pearl explains why the claim is biologically implausible, breaks down the real risks of acetaminophen overdose, and warns of the harm caused when political figures replace data with personal belief.</p>
<p>The hosts then turn to Mississippi’s infant mortality crisis, where a lack of OB-GYNs and the state’s refusal to expand Medicaid have pushed death rates to record highs. It’s a chilling illustration, Pearl says, of what happens when ideology trumps compassion.</p>
<p>From there, the episode moves through a series of pressing stories:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Affordable Care Act turmoil</strong>: Subsidies that keep exchange plans affordable are set to expire, threatening coverage for millions and sending premiums soaring by up to 15%.</li>
<li><strong>Private equity in emergency rooms</strong>: A new study shows higher mortality rates in PE-owned hospitals, where cost-cutting has replaced patient safety.</li>
<li><strong>A new oral GLP-1 pill</strong>: Novo Nordisk’s weight-loss drug could improve convenience but only if pricing reflects fairness, not greed.</li>
<li><strong>Cardiovascular disease data</strong>: Despite progress, heart disease remains America’s top killer, with worsening risk factors across income groups.</li>
<li><strong>Generic approval for mifepristone</strong>: The FDA’s move to expand access to abortion medication marks a rare policy victory for evidence-based care.</li>
<li><strong>Music as medicine</strong>: Brazilian researchers find that music before heart imaging reduces anxiety and lowers blood pressure (an example of low-cost care with real impact).</li>
<li><strong>HPV-linked cancer breakthrough</strong>: New AI-driven blood tests may detect head and neck cancers years before symptoms arise.</li>
<li><strong>Obesity and cancer</strong>: Death rates tied to obesity have quadrupled in two decades, rising fastest among women and rural Americans.</li>
</ul>
<p>As the episode continues, Dr. Pearl highlights grim data on America’s declining health outcomes compared to other wealthy nations, the spread of Chagas disease across U.S. states, and the crushing cost of employer-based insurance. Together, these stories reveal a nation spending more, living shorter and losing faith in its medical institutions. A scary story, indeed.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/10/07/mtt-99-halloween/">MTT #99: The frightening state of U.S. medicine as politics replace science</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #190: TikTok&#8217;s favorite OB-GYN reveals what millions of women really ask their doctors</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/09/30/fhc-190-tiktoks-favorite-ob-gyn/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2025 18:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Season 11 of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a> continues its exploration of medicine’s new voices and rising influencers with an eye-opening conversation about sexuality, vaccinees and misinformation. Today’s guest, originally from rural Texas, joins the show from the other side of the world.</p>
<p>Cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> welcome Dr. Danielle Jones, better known to millions as <a href="https://mamadoctorjones.com/"><strong>Mama Doctor Jones</strong></a>. An OB-GYN by training, Jones has built a worldwide following on TikTok, YouTube and Instagram, and now brings her perspective from New Zealand, where she lives and practices today.</p>
<p>This season isn’t just about guests with massive online audiences. It’s about what happens when those influencers <em>listen</em>. By engaging directly with millions of patients, they hear first-hand what people are curious about, confused by or struggling with—and then translate those voices back into the larger medical conversation.</p>
<p>This season highlights guests with massive online audiences. But their value isn’t just in reach, it’s in their ability to listen closely to what millions of patients are saying, then translate those insights back into the wider medical conversation.</p>
<p>From the start, Jones makes clear why she’s become a trusted voice for so many.</p>
<p>Her mission isn’t just to provide facts, but to help people distinguish what is real from what is not, a skill that’s more urgent than ever in an era of viral misinformation. Drawing on her roots in rural Texas, Jones describes how she had to unlearn many of the taboos she grew up with before becoming comfortable talking openly about abortion, contraception and sexual health.</p>
<p><strong>Key topics in this conversation: </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong>The power of online health education.</strong> Jones explains how she flips the tactics of disinformation campaigns to spread accurate medical knowledge, making it “work for the good guys.”</li>
<li><strong>Persistent myths about contraception.</strong> She addresses head-on the false claim that birth control causes infertility, emphasizing that age (not contraception) drives fertility challenges.</li>
<li><strong>HPV vaccines and cultural pushback.</strong> Dr. Jones discuss how misogyny and paternalism fuel opposition to one of the safest, most effective vaccines ever developed.</li>
<li><strong>Supporting teens navigating sexuality.</strong> Jones describes how she avoids judgmental “ready/not ready” labels, instead encouraging self-reflection, autonomy and safety.</li>
<li><strong>Menopause and hormones.</strong> She calls out predatory marketing and misinformation around hormone therapies, urging clearer communication about the real risks and benefits.</li>
<li><strong>A global lens.</strong> Living in New Zealand has given Jones new perspective on how cultural context shapes both medical care and public health trust.</li>
</ul>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/09/30/fhc-190-tiktoks-favorite-ob-gyn/">FHC #190: TikTok&#8217;s favorite OB-GYN reveals what millions of women really ask their doctors</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #189: Diving deep into imposter syndrome in medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/09/23/fhc-189-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2025 20:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this revealing episode of <em>Unfiltered</em>, cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr sit down with cardiologist Dr. Jonathan Fisher to explore a hidden source of suffering in modern medicine: <strong>imposter syndrome.</strong></p>
<p>Together, Pearl and Fisher take a vulnerable and nuanced look at the internal doubts that haunt even the most accomplished clinicians. Drawing on Fisher’s research and personal experience, the pair examine how imposter syndrome takes root during medical training and grows amid hierarchical workplaces, unrealistic expectations and a culture of stoicism. Left unaddressed, it can lead to shame, fear and isolation —emotions that rarely surface in traditional conversations about burnout.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Fisher and Pearl describe the difference between healthy humility and harmful self-doubt. They consider how training environments, competitive mindsets and systemic pressures may perpetuate imposter feelings. They also reflect on how leaders and organizations can help create psychological safety by sharing personal struggles, reframing failure and building community.</p>
<p>More than a psychological phenomenon, imposter syndrome offers a lens through which to understand the broader crisis of physician wellbeing. As Dr. Fisher notes, combating it starts with telling the truth and making space for others to do the same.</p>
<p>For more unfiltered conversation, listen to the full episode and explore these related resources:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #188: Why younger patients turn away from doctors &#038; toward GenAI</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/09/16/fhc-188-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2025 23:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this <em>Diving Deep</em> episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> explore two urgent shifts reshaping the patient-doctor relationship in American medicine.</p>
<p>First, they tackle a generational divide that’s growing wider by the year. Gen Z and Millennial patients (now 40% of healthcare consumers), are increasingly turning away from traditional medical providers. Distrust in institutions, a preference for shared decision-making and frustration with outdated communication methods are driving these younger patients to seek answers elsewhere.</p>
<p>Pearl outlines what physicians must do to bridge the gap. Listen more, collaborate often and meet younger patients where they are: digitally, flexibly and with empathy. If doctors don’t evolve, patients will look elsewhere.</p>
<p>And increasingly, “elsewhere” means artificial intelligence. That leads to the second half of the episode, where Pearl maps out a new reality: for the first time in history, patients can climb the ladder of medical expertise with help from GenAI. Large language models like ChatGPT and Claude are enabling patients to move beyond awareness and application into true analysis, synthesis and even innovation.</p>
<p>Pearl explores what this means for clinical care. Will patients one day use GenAI to monitor chronic conditions like diabetes or asthma on their own? Could AI triage symptoms, suggest follow-ups or even nudge lifestyle changes more effectively than a rushed primary care visit?</p>
<p>These questions are no longer theoretical. As Pearl warns, clinicians must either guide the change or risk being sidelined by it.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/08/18/3-ways-doctors-can-win-back-gen-z-millennial-patients/">3 Ways Doctors Can Win Back Gen Z, Millennial Patients</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/09/02/will-gpt-5-claude-gemini-break-doctors-monopoly-on-medical-expertise/">Will GPT-5, Claude, Gemini Break Doctors’ Monopoly On Medical Expertise?</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>MTT #98: Can patients and doctors still trust the CDC, FDA?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/09/09/mtt-98-cdc-fda/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2025 21:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr dig into growing public distrust in the two government agencies charged with protecting Americans’ health: the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).</p>
<p>Recent shakeups, including the resignation of top leaders and staff reductions, highlight just how politicized these organizations have become. Pearl doesn’t mince words. He calls the situation “chaotic and unscientific,” warning that the politicization of vaccine policy under the Kennedy administration could undermine decades of scientific progress and further erode public trust in medical guidance.</p>
<p>He walks listeners through what changed, why it matters and what might happen next—including how states and medical societies are beginning to defy federal policy by issuing their own vaccine recommendations.</p>
<p><strong>Other key topics discussed:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong>New vaccine restrictions under RFK Jr.:</strong> COVID vaccines now limited to high-risk individuals under 65, with added barriers for children under 18.</li>
<li><strong>Loss of expert oversight:</strong> RFK Jr. fired all 17 members of the CDC’s vaccine advisory panel, replacing them with politically aligned individuals, some lacking immunization expertise.</li>
<li><strong>Fragmented guidance:</strong> For the first time in 30 years, national medical societies have issued their own vaccine guidelines that contradict CDC policy.</li>
<li><strong>mRNA research halted:</strong> A $500M grant program supporting mRNA vaccine innovation has been canceled, threatening progress in cancer, autoimmune disease and rare conditions.</li>
<li><strong>A clear explainer on mRNA tech:</strong> Pearl delivers a step-by-step explanation of how mRNA vaccines are developed and why they’re safer, faster and potentially life-saving in pandemics and cancer prevention.</li>
<li><strong>RFK Jr.’s false claims:</strong> Pearl debunks Kennedy’s assertion that mRNA vaccines are the “deadliest ever made,” calling it one of the most unscientific claims in recent memory.</li>
<li><strong>Draft autism report warning:</strong> Pearl criticizes an upcoming government report on autism that he expects will repackage discredited vaccine-autism links.</li>
<li><strong>Food industry appeasement:</strong> The “Make America Healthy Again” agenda is criticized for lacking concrete actions on nutrition policy, instead promising more studies of already well-documented problems.</li>
<li><strong>Medicare funding risks:</strong> If federal deficits continue, automatic cuts could slash Medicare by $500B between 2027–2034, which would further destabilize the system.</li>
<li><strong>Price transparency report:</strong> A new analysis from Trilliant Health reveals 9-to-1 variation in what insurers pay for the same surgery, even within the same state or hospital.</li>
<li><strong>Tech &amp; dementia risk:</strong> A meta-analysis of 37 studies finds that older adults using smartphones, computers and the internet may have a reduced risk of cognitive decline, possibly due to reduced social isolation.</li>
<li><strong>Stalking &amp; heart disease:</strong> Women who are stalked or file restraining orders have a significantly higher risk of heart attacks and strokes (up to 70% more) due to prolonged stress and fear.</li>
<li><strong>Flu shots &amp; allergies:</strong> A listener asks about egg allergy risk. Pearl reassures listeners that even in patients with anaphylaxis history, flu vaccines are safe and strongly recommended.</li>
<li><strong>HPV awareness gap:</strong> More than one-third of U.S. adults haven’t heard of HPV, and over half don’t know it causes oral and cervical cancer—despite a highly effective vaccine.</li>
<li><strong>Child mortality shame:</strong>S. babies and children are nearly twice as likely to die before adulthood compared to peers in other wealthy nations.</li>
<li><strong>Screwworm fly case:</strong> A Maryland man becomes the first confirmed U.S. case this year after travel to El Salvador. Pearl explains the biology behind this gruesome but rare parasite.</li>
</ul>
<p>Tune in to hear Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr cut through the noise with their signature mix of clarity, candor and evidence-based analysis. Once again, the duo exposes misinformation, challenges political spin and helps listeners make sense of what’s really going on.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>
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		<title>FHC #187: Autonomy, burnout &#038; the future of medical care</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/09/02/fhc-187-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2025 03:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this candid episode of <em>Unfiltered</em>, cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr sit down with cardiologist Dr. Jonathan Fisher to examine why so many clinicians feel trapped between rising bureaucracy and shrinking autonomy.</p>
<p>Together, they detail what it will take to build a system that serves both patients and physicians. Drawing on Fisher’s experiences in small private practice and in a large health system, the trio explores RVUs and metric overload, private equity’s growing footprint and the treadmill effect driving burnout.</p>
<p>They then turn to solutions: team-based care, capitation/value-based models and new primary-care designs (from direct primary care to micro-IPAs). In the second half of the episode, the conversation widens from lifespan and health span to “joy span,” arguing for practical, low-cost ways to strengthen social connection, meaning and wellbeing without overburdening clinicians.</p>
<p>Later, a listener question prompts a timely discussion of Gen Z and younger millennials who avoid traditional primary care, and how medicine must adapt communication, access and expectations to meet people where they are.</p>
<p>For more unfiltered conversation, listen to the full episode and explore these related resources:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #186: Optum CEO on AI, big data &#038; preventing disease</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/08/26/fhc-186-optum-ceo/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><strong>FHC #186: From rare diseases to rural America, Optum’s CEO talks healthcare’s future</strong></p>
<p>In this special return to Season 10, which focused on transformative technologies in medicine, <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a> hosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> interview Dr. Patrick Conway, CEO of Optum, a $250 billion division of UnitedHealth Group. A pediatrician and former CMS leader, Dr. Conway has spent his career driving innovation at the intersection of medicine, policy and business.</p>
<p>Conway argues that healthcare stands on the brink of a transformation driven by artificial intelligence, breakthrough therapies, prevention strategies and big data analytics. As CEO of Optum (one of the most influential players in U.S. medicine, employing over 310,000 people worldwide), Conway explains how his organization is using technology and integration to improve quality, lower costs and expand equity.</p>
<p>Here are five key insights from the episode:</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>AI will be like the internet: changing everything.<br />
</strong>Conway predicts generative AI will rapidly move beyond administrative tasks into clinical decision-making, diagnosis and personalized training for physicians. He shares a story of diagnosing a child’s rare disorder and imagines how AI could make such insights instantaneous for every doctor.</li>
<li><strong>Prevention is the ultimate cost-saver.<br />
</strong>Chronic disease prevention, he says, is America’s greatest healthcare challenge. Apps, gamification and continuous monitoring could replace the outdated “come back in four months” model. Managing hypertension and diabetes in real time could radically lower costs and improve lives.</li>
<li><strong>Big data enables personalized care at scale.<br />
</strong>Optum uses analytics to stratify patients (such as “dual eligibles” living with multiple chronic conditions) and deliver tailored interventions at home. Conway recounts how one 91-year-old patient, once hospitalized eight times a year, went to zero admissions after joining Optum at Home.</li>
<li><strong>Value-based care must expand faster.<br />
</strong>Optum already assumes full financial risk for 5 million patients, but Conway argues the majority of Americans deserve this model. Capitation aligns incentives around outcomes, quality and cost, and generative AI could accelerate its adoption, even in rural communities.</li>
<li><strong>Drug costs remain unsustainable.<br />
</strong>Here, Conway is blunt. U.S. drug prices are too high, with GLP-1 drugs costing eight to 10 times more than abroad. Optum has committed to 100% rebate pass-through. It has also eliminated many prior authorizations and shifted its entire pharmacy business to lower-cost generics and biosimilars.</li>
</ol>
<p>After the interview, Dr. Pearl tells Corr that he was struck by the Optum CEO&#8217;s optimism about generative AI and its role in reshaping healthcare, noting that Conway sees beyond administrative savings to its potential for improving clinical outcomes and managing chronic disease. Pearl noted Conway&#8217;s clear commitment to capitation and value-based care; what Pearl called his &#8220;North Star.&#8221; Pearl concluded that Conway is a mission-driven leader, highly capable of pushing UnitedHealth Group to accelerate change, and urged him to move faster than feels comfortable in scaling prevention, AI and integrated care.</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #185: A System in crisis, a technology in waiting</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/08/20/fhc-185-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2025 15:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this <em>Diving Deep</em> episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> tackle two timely topics shaping the future of American medicine.</p>
<p>First, the pair explore a growing concern among health policy experts and clinicians alike: Is the U.S. medical system headed for economic collapse? Dr. Pearl outlines three troubling trends in support of this concern. Ballooning healthcare costs, an unsustainable rise in medical employment (without associated gains in quality), and the accelerating burnout and exit of practicing physicians. Together, these forces threaten to push American healthcare off a cliff.</p>
<p>More alarming still, the traditional “exit ramps” that once helped the system avoid disaster — federal borrowing, employer cost-shifting and physician overwork — are rapidly disappearing. With options dwindling, Pearl and Corr consider what comes next: Will private equity lead a wave of cost-cutting? Will crisis force rationing? Or could new technology offer a better way forward?</p>
<p>That question sets the stage for part two of the episode: a deep dive into generative AI’s future in medicine. Pearl describes two emerging paths: one led by tech startups developing FDA-approved tools to manage disease, and another championed by physicians who teach patients how to use existing large language models for self-care and symptom triage. Both models aim to reduce costs and improve outcomes. But each comes with tradeoffs.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Pearl encourages clinicians to lead (not follow) the adoption of GenAI. Whether American healthcare descends into austerity or rises toward innovation, the decisions made now will shape the system’s trajectory for decades to come.</p>
<p>HELPFUL LINKS</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/07/21/these-3-medical-trends-predict-a-massive-healthcare-crisis/">These 3 Medical Trends Predict A Massive Healthcare Crisis</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/08/04/monetizing-generative-ai-in-healthcare-two-competing-paths/">With OpenAI Set To Launch GPT-5, Here’s How To Monetize Healthcare GenAI</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>MTT #97: Drug prices, Big Tech EHR promises &#038; the 7,000-step surprise</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/08/12/mtt-97-tariffs/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2025 02:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr cover a whirlwind of headlines, from a White House push to tie U.S. drug prices to wealthy-nation benchmarks (with tariff threats) to a Big Tech pledge to make medical records truly interoperable. They also unpack what ACA exchange enrollees should expect in 2026 as cost-sharing subsidies teeter and insurers file double-digit premium hikes.</p>
<p>On care delivery, the hosts examine the direct primary care + HSA shift: what it could improve, and where it might widen disparities. They then turn to the FDA’s accelerated approvals, gene-therapy turmoil and why scientific independence matters.</p>
<p><strong>Other key topics discussed:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Kids’ health:</strong> Hand-foot-and-mouth disease basics (spread, home care, when to call) and a rare, deadly flu-related encephalopathy — another reason childhood flu vaccination matters.</li>
<li><strong>Cancer prevention:</strong> How hepatitis B/C control, metabolic health and alcohol use drive (and can prevent) liver cancer.</li>
<li><strong>Exercise clarity:</strong> Why 7,000 steps/day delivers nearly all the health gains long credited to 10,000.</li>
<li><strong>Lyme 101:</strong> Ticks, timelines, treatment (and why prompt checks for bites are protective).</li>
<li><strong>Pharma’s DTC pivot:</strong> Drugmakers selling directly via telemedicine, and what that means for GLP-1 access and brand bias.</li>
<li><strong>Rural stability:</strong> A new $50B Rural Health Fund aimed at offsetting Medicaid-related shortfalls for hospitals.</li>
<li><strong>Maternal health:</strong> 56% of new moms miss recommended postpartum visits, even as one-third of maternal deaths occur after discharge.</li>
<li><strong>CTE explainer:</strong> What we know (and don’t) about repetitive head trauma and long-term brain disease.</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>
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		<title>FHC #184: Dr. Uché Blackstock on racism, sexism and fixing medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/08/05/fhc-184-dr-uche-blackstock/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2025 21:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In the first episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a>’s 11th season, cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> speak with <a href="https://ucheblackstock.com/">Dr. Uché Blackstock</a>, an emergency physician, bestselling author and health equity expert.</p>
<p>This season turns the spotlight on voices from social media, offering insights into what patients actually want from the U.S. healthcare system. Dr. Blackstock (whose online following is both massive and deeply engaged) shares the concerns she hears most often: fears about rising insurance premiums, confusion around preventive screenings and frustration with a system that feels inaccessible, dismissive or even dangerous for many women and people of color.</p>
<p>Dr. Blackstock is the founder and CEO of Advancing Health Equity and author of <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/705871/legacy-by-uche-blackstock-md/"><em>Legacy: A Black Physician Reckons with Racism in Medicine</em></a>, a memoir that blends personal history with data and policy analysis. In her conversation with Dr. Pearl and Jeremy Corr, she highlights several ways the U.S. healthcare system must change to better serve all patients:</p>
<p><strong>Bridging The Access Gap</strong><br />
Dr. Blackstock discusses the urgent need to expand access to preventive care, particularly for groups at higher risk of being overlooked or underserved. She emphasizes the role of health literacy, equitable coverage, and primary care investment in closing these gaps, especially in communities where hospitals and clinics remain out of reach.</p>
<p><strong>Rebuilding Trust</strong><br />
From maternal mortality to COVID response, Dr. Blackstock explains how structural racism, sexist bias and historical injustice continue to shape patient outcomes. She urges clinicians and institutions to take these realities seriously, listen more closely to patients’ concerns and build relationships rooted in dignity and respect.</p>
<p><strong>Rethinking The System Itself</strong><br />
Rather than settle for incremental fixes, Dr. Blackstock calls for a complete overhaul of American medicine. She argues we must reduce administrative waste, center community-based care, and treat universal access to healthcare as a moral and civic imperative. She believes Gen Z, with its strong values, optimism and technological fluency, may be the generation to lead that change.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the conversation returns to a central question: What does it mean to be seen, heard and cared for in today’s healthcare system. And how can we ensure <em>everyone</em> receives that kind of care?</p>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #183: Will GenAI replace docs? How should medical schools respond?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/07/29/fhc-183-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2025 04:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this <em>Diving Deep</em> episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> tackle two of the most pressing questions in healthcare today, each focused on the future of medical practice in the era of generative AI.</p>
<p>First, the hosts explore the controversial question: Will AI replace doctors? Dr. Pearl argues that, despite recent advances in AI that now outperform physicians in a growing number of diagnostic tasks, the answer is “no.” He explains why the healthcare system’s worsening physician shortage, its rising costs and patients’ enduring need for human connection all point to a future in which doctors remain essential.</p>
<p>However, he warns that clinicians won’t be immune to the pressures GenAI brings. If the technology is controlled by insurers or private equity firms, it will likely be used to speed up visits and reduce costs, not improve care. To avoid that outcome, Pearl urges physicians to lead AI’s integration into medicine, organizing into high-performing groups and shaping how the tools are used. Otherwise, he cautions, GenAI won’t replace doctors. But it will make their jobs miserable.</p>
<p>Later in the episode, the conversation turns to medical education. Pearl argues that U.S. medical schools are falling dangerously behind in preparing students for the AI revolution. While colleges and universities across the country are rapidly integrating generative AI into undergraduate curricula, most medical schools still rely on outdated teaching methods that emphasize memorization rather than application of information in clinical practice.</p>
<p>Pearl calls for an urgent overhaul of faculty training and curricular design, encouraging hands-on exercises where students use GenAI as a clinical partner. With this foundation, students can engage in diagnostic reasoning, design care plans, and collaborate with AI tools to improve patient outcomes. Without these changes, he warns, tomorrow’s physicians may be ill-equipped to lead in a rapidly evolving healthcare landscape.</p>
<p>Together, these topics speak to some of the greatest fears – and greatest opportunities – in the medical profession today. Listen to the episode to hear the full conversation and decide for yourself.</p>
<p>HELPFUL LINKS</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/06/23/genai-wont-replace-doctors-but-it-could-make-them-miserable/">GenAI Won’t Replace Doctors, But It Could Make Them Miserable</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/07/07/in-the-ai-revolution-medical-schools-are-falling-behind-us-colleges/">In The AI Revolution, Medical Schools Are Falling Behind U.S. Colleges</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>MTT #96: Cancer confusion, obesity clarity &#038; a $3M drug failure</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/07/22/mtt-96-cancer-confusion/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2025 20:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, co-hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr examine a wide range of healthcare headlines. From the Supreme Court’s ruling on preventive care to heat-related deaths, experimental diabetes treatments and the continued unaffordability of life-saving drugs, this episode focuses on biggest stories in medicine today.</p>
<p>It opens with a breakdown of the Supreme Court’s recent 6–3 decision on pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP) for HIV. While the ruling preserves access to services recommended by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force, Pearl warns that it introduces new risks.</p>
<p>“When politics or finances enter the healthcare world, clinical outcomes suffer,” says Pearl. He draws parallels to the ousting of experts on the CDC’s vaccine advisory panel and highlights the danger of eroding scientific independence.</p>
<p>Pearl then turns to a longstanding pain point in American healthcare: prior authorization.</p>
<p>While insurer companies claim this process guarantees safe, necessary care, studies show it often delays treatment or leads patients to abandon care altogether. Despite new promises from more than 50 insurers to streamline their processes by 2027, Pearl offers words of caution.</p>
<p>“Although this pledge sounds like a major commitment, clinicians remain doubtful Clinicians remain doubtful … And, of course, 2027 is two years away.”</p>
<p>Other key topics discussed in this episode include:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Statin underuse</strong>: Research shows that prescribing statins to all eligible Americans could prevent 39,000 deaths and 165,000 major cardiac events annually, saving up to $25 billion a year.</li>
<li><strong>CT scan overuse</strong>: New data show that frequent surveillance scans for cancer recurrence do not improve survival and may lead to physical, psychological and financial harm.</li>
<li><strong>Cancer screening clarity</strong>: Only four cancers (breast, lung, cervical and colorectal) have strong evidence supporting screening. For the rest, benefits remain unproven or may be outweighed by risks.</li>
<li><strong>Colon cancer detection</strong>: FIT tests are as effective as colonoscopy in low-risk patients, especially those ages 40–49. Yet screening rates remain far too low.</li>
<li><strong>Heat-related health threats</strong>: Climate-driven “heat domes” pose rising risks to children, the elderly and patients with chronic disease.</li>
<li><strong>New HIV drug dilemma</strong>: The FDA approved an injectable PrEP option with a near-perfect success rate. However, at a staggering $28,000+ annual cost, it may remain out of reach for most.</li>
<li><strong>FDA under scrutiny</strong>: Accelerated approvals are allowing high-cost drugs to enter the market despite safety concerns. Pearl discusses the recent deaths of two children treated with a $3.2 million drug for Duchenne muscular dystrophy.</li>
<li><strong>Experimental type 1 diabetes cure</strong>: A new stem cell therapy enabled 10 out of 12 patients to stop insulin injections. But lifelong immunosuppression and likely high costs may limit uptake.</li>
<li><strong>Autism breakthrough</strong>: New genetic analysis identifies four distinct ASD subtypes, helping pave the way for earlier diagnosis and personalized support strategies.</li>
<li><strong>Alarming pediatric trends</strong>: Childhood obesity and mental health issues have risen sharply in the last 17 years. Climate change is also driving a spike in tick-related illnesses in children.</li>
<li><strong>Obesity science simplified</strong>: A global study confirms it’s not lack of exercise driving obesity—it’s excess calories, particularly from ultra-processed, high-fat foods.</li>
</ul>
<p>The episode closes with a hard truth: U.S. healthcare spending is expected to exceed 20% of GDP by 2033. “Despite spending more, we’re not seeing improvements in outcomes,” Pearl says. He promises to revisit this issue in a future episode of <em>Diving Deep</em>.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>
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		<title>FHC #182: How GenAI, telemedicine and AI assistants will reshape medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/07/15/fhc-182-dr-pearl-recaps-seaon-10/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2025 01:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In a special episode of Fixing Healthcare,<strong> <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Jeremy Corr</a></strong> turns the mic once more to cohost <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl</a></strong>, inviting him to reflect on Season 10, marking the duo’s most ambitious deep-dive into the technologies transforming American medicine.</p>
<p>Over the past nine episodes, Corr and Pearl welcomed leading thinkers in health tech, including high-profile executives from <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/03/04/fhc-167-joe-petro/">Microsoft</a></strong>, <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/01/07/fhc-161-karen-desalvo/">Google</a></strong>, <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/10/01/fhc-149-david-feinberg/">Oracle</a> </strong>and <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/12/10/fhc-157-nvidia-kimberly-powell/">Nvidia</a></strong>; the CEOs of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/05/07/fhc-174-zocdoc-ceo-oliver-kharraz/"><strong>Zocdoc</strong></a> and <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/02/05/fhc-164-hippocratic-2/">Hippocratic AI</a></strong>; pioneers of generative AI like investor <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/11/06/fhc-153-vinod-khosla/">Vinod Khosla</a></strong>; and renowned physician-leaders like Drs. <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/09/03/fhc-146-eric-topol/">Eric Topol</a> </strong>and <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/06/03/fhc-177-maria-ansari/">Maria Ansari</a></strong>.</p>
<p>This week, Corr and Pearl offer listeners a wide-angle view of what they learned … and what comes next.</p>
<p>Pearl begins by identifying four major “eras” of healthcare technology. The first was defined by anatomic understanding and miracle drugs. The second brought powerful machines like CT and MRI. The third saw the arrival of EHRs and the internet, technologies that failed to meet expectations. The fourth era, he says, began on “November 30th of 2022, with the release of OpenAI’s ChatGPT.”</p>
<p>Since then, Pearl notes, generative AI has at least doubled in power annually. “By the time the current cohort of medical students complete their training,” he says, “generative AI will be at least 30 times more powerful than today. That’s the equivalent of your car going as fast as an airplane.”</p>
<p>Corr asks Pearl to walk through what stood out most from the season’s interviews. Pearl highlights Dr. Topol’s focus on “precision preventive care,” David Feinberg’s vision of AI as a personal assistant, and Vinod Khosla’s belief that “AI won’t replace 80% of doctors, but it will replace 80% of what doctors do.” Others predicted tech-enabled call centers, hospital-at-home programs, and smarter EHRs that anticipate a clinician’s needs.</p>
<p>Before the episode ends, Corr asks Pearl to summarize his own top three technologies for the next five to 10 years. Pearl’s answer mirrors — but also expands upon — his earlier <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/04/01/fhc-170-dr-pearl/">appearance in episode #170</a></strong>. Here are the three innovations he believes will have the greatest impact:</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>Large language models (LLMs):</strong> Pearl believes tools like ChatGPT, Gemini and Claude will soon be able to monitor patients with chronic illnesses in real time, helping them identify when medication adjustments or clinical interventions are needed (without requiring an in-person visit).</li>
<li><strong>AI-enabled telemedicine:</strong> When paired with generative AI, telemedicine will evolve from a one-to-one model to a one-to-many approach. Pearl envisions a future in which doctors can oversee and manage care for dozens — or even hundreds — of discharged patients simultaneously, responding quickly to those who need the most attention.</li>
<li><strong>AI-powered assistants:</strong> Tools like DeepSeek will spark a new generation of digital healthcare agents trained on real clinician–patient interactions. These assistants will handle triage, chronic disease management and home monitoring, making expert-level care more accessible, scalable and affordable than ever before.</li>
</ol>
<p>Pearl ends with a bold forecast: “I’m convinced that over the next five to 10 years, the combination of dedicated clinicians and empowered patients and generative AI technology will achieve clinical outcomes that are exponentially better than what any of the three could achieve alone.”</p>
<p>Click play to hear this wide-ranging wrap-up to Season 10, including predictions for medicine’s future and a call to action for patients, clinicians and tech innovators alike.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #181: When the doctor becomes the patient</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/07/08/fhc-181-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2025 21:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this introspective episode of <em>Unfiltered</em>, cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr sit down once again with cardiologist Dr. Jonathan Fisher to explore the emotional and psychological dimensions of medical treatment — this time from the perspective of a physician as a patient.</p>
<p>Prompted by Dr. Fisher&#8217;s own recent orthopedic surgery, the discussion examines the complexities and uncertainties patients face when deciding on medical interventions. Fisher candidly shares his reflections on the importance of setting clear expectations, the role of empathy in patient care, and the profound isolation and vulnerability experienced during his own recovery.</p>
<p>The episode expands into a broader dialogue about hope, optimism and honesty in medical care, particularly in oncology. Pearl and Fisher debate the balance between providing realistic expectations and maintaining patient optimism, highlighting how the right mindset can significantly influence healing and recovery.</p>
<p>Finally, in response to a listener&#8217;s thoughtful question, the hosts explore how medical specialties metaphorically influence a physician’s worldview and approach to patient care, underscoring the profound interplay between personal experience and professional practice.</p>
<p>For more candid, unfiltered conversation, listen to the full episode and explore these related resources:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</p>
<p><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #180: Diving Deep into healthcare politics &#038; the biases blocking chronic disease care</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/07/02/fhc-180-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2025 11:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Fixing Healthcare’s “Diving Deep,” co-hosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> examine two pressing healthcare issues through thoughtful Q&amp;A: the impact of Trump’s healthcare promises on policy and the hidden psychological bias that impedes everything from tariff decisions to chronic disease management.</p>
<p>First, the hosts discuss President Donald Trump’s bold healthcare promises, including significantly lowering prescription drug prices, reversing chronic diseases and leveraging generative AI to transform American medicine. With midterm elections looming, Pearl emphasizes the urgency for real policy action rather than rhetoric. On drug pricing, he notes the significant legislative and regulatory hurdles facing Trump’s proposed solutions, such as Most-Favored-Nation (MFN) pricing. Regarding food quality and obesity, Pearl addresses RFK Jr.’s criticism of ultra-processed foods and urges the administration to move beyond symbolic reports to concrete policies, including front-of-package labeling, taxation of unhealthy foods, and stricter food additive regulations. Additionally, Pearl highlights the administration’s enthusiasm for generative AI, advocating for real-world applications to manage chronic conditions and enhance diagnostic accuracy, while cautioning against potential disconnects caused by outdated FDA processes and insufficient investment in innovation.</p>
<p>Later in the episode, the hosts delve into the hidden psychological traps impacting chronic disease management, particularly the Dunning-Kruger effect, a cognitive bias causing individuals to overestimate their competence. Pearl explains how this bias affects healthcare providers, resulting in clinical inertia, where doctors overestimate their control over patients’ chronic conditions such as diabetes, hypertension, and heart disease. This often leads to inadequate disease management and avoidable complications like heart attacks and strokes. Pearl suggests several strategies for overcoming this bias, including objective self-assessment against national benchmarks, proactive investigation of treatment gaps, and the use of generative AI tools such as ChatGPT to enhance patient engagement and clinical responsiveness.</p>
<p>This episode of “Diving Deep” underscores the importance of transitioning from political and professional promises to tangible healthcare improvements, highlighting both the potential and pitfalls in current healthcare strategies.</p>
<p>HELPFUL LINKS</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/06/09/talk-is-cheap-now-trump-must-deliver-on-his-healthcare-promises/">Talk Is Cheap: Now Trump Must Deliver On His Healthcare Promises</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/05/26/the-hidden-link-between-tariffs-vaccines-chronic-disease/">The Hidden Link Between Tariffs, Vaccines, Chronic Disease</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/07/02/fhc-180-diving-deep/">FHC #180: Diving Deep into healthcare politics &#038; the biases blocking chronic disease care</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #179: An unfiltered look back at independence, authenticity in medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/06/24/fhc-179-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2025 02:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>With Dr. Robert Pearl traveling abroad this week to keynote a major conference on patient data transparency, the Fixing Healthcare team is revisiting one of its most popular episodes: an <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/07/10/fhc-58-unfiltered/"><em>Unfiltered</em> conversation with Dr. Zubin Damania</a> (aka ZDoggMD), originally recorded three years ago in the lead-up to Independence Day.</p>
<p>At the time of the recording, America was grappling with the aftermath of a deadly mass shooting at the Highland Park parade in Illinois. Cohost Jeremy Corr, near the end of the episode, asks Drs. Pearl and Damania how America — despite its ideals of freedom and democracy — continues to struggle with societal divides, mental illness and isolation. Corr drew on a quote from founding father Thomas Jefferson to set the stage: “Yes, we did produce a near-perfect republic. But will they keep it? Or will they, in the enjoyment of plenty, lose the memory of freedom? Material abundance without character is the surest way to destruction.”</p>
<p>In his response, and throughout the episode, Dr. Damania emphasizes that the key to overcoming these challenges lies in embracing authenticity, promoting community connection, and helping people discover and realize their purpose.</p>
<p>“We have a crisis of meaning. And the question we ought to be really trying to process is how do we bring back a sense of meaning?”</p>
<p>Damania argues passionately for authenticity in medicine, believing that openness, transparency, and emotional honesty are vital for both patient care and physician satisfaction.</p>
<p>As the Fourth of July approaches once again, this replay encourages listeners to reflect on how authentic relationships and a commitment to community can enhance not only medical care but societal cohesion overall. Tune in for a thought-provoking reminder of how fostering authenticity and empathy can strengthen medicine and our broader society.</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/06/24/fhc-179-unfiltered/">FHC #179: An unfiltered look back at independence, authenticity in medicine</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #95: Politics vs. science—Who really controls America’s vaccines?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/06/18/mtt-95/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2025 05:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, co-hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr explore significant updates and controversies in healthcare, from battles over vaccine recommendations to skyrocketing healthcare costs and promising cancer research.</p>
<p>The CDC recently clashed with Robert Kennedy Jr., Secretary of Health and Human Services, over Covid-19 vaccine recommendations. Kennedy declared no additional Covid booster shots necessary for healthy children and pregnant women, sparking immediate backlash. Pearl clarifies the complexity here, explaining Kennedy&#8217;s claims are politically charged rather than scientifically supported.</p>
<p>In economic news, healthcare costs for a family of four reached an alarming average of $35,000 per year, nearly triple the amount 20 years ago. With healthcare expenses rising 6% annually — far outpacing wages and inflation — Pearl highlights the growing financial strain on American families.</p>
<p>On a brighter note, groundbreaking research has demonstrated the powerful impact of exercise on cancer survival. A robust international study revealed structured exercise programs significantly reduced the risk of cancer recurrence and death, underscoring lifestyle medicine’s vital role in patient outcomes.</p>
<p>Other key topics discussed in this episode:</p>
<ul>
<li>Measles epidemic slowing as vaccinations increase</li>
<li>New RSV vaccine dramatically reduces infant hospitalizations</li>
<li>Soaring economic cost of opioid addiction and the financial benefits of treatment</li>
<li>Promising results from at-home cervical cancer screening</li>
<li>Implications of NIH budget cuts, including termination of crucial HIV/AIDS vaccine research</li>
<li>Concerns around hospital profits amid rising healthcare expenses</li>
<li>The growing threat of a &#8220;brain drain&#8221; in medical science as U.S. scientists increasingly seek positions abroad</li>
<li>Final annual data confirming soaring new drug costs</li>
<li>Billy Joel’s diagnosis with normal pressure hydrocephalus and what it means</li>
<li>Elon Musk and controversies surrounding ketamine use</li>
</ul>
<p>Tune in as Dr. Pearl and Jeremy Corr bring clarity and in-depth analysis to the headlines, scientific breakthroughs and policy decisions shaping American healthcare.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/06/18/mtt-95/">MTT #95: Politics vs. science—Who really controls America’s vaccines?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #178: Dying of a broken heart, literally</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/06/10/fhc-178-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2025 21:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this thought-provoking episode of <em>Unfiltered</em>, cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr sit down with cardiologist and physician well-being advocate Dr. Jonathan Fisher to explore the intersection of stress, gender and modern medicine—beginning with the surprising physiology of a literal broken heart.</p>
<p>Timed with Father’s Day, the conversation opens with reflections on masculinity and caregiving before pivoting into a deep dive on stress-induced cardiomyopathy (aka: “broken heart” syndrome). Dr. Fisher explains why this life-threatening condition disproportionately affects women, and why men, when they do suffer it, are twice as likely to die.</p>
<p>From there, the trio tackles mounting clinician stress, rising misinformation in the exam room and the role of AI in spreading fabricated claims. Throughout the episode, they examine the emotional toll carried by women in medicine, the persistence of diagnostic gender bias and the erosion of trust in clinical expertise.</p>
<p>As always, the episode ends with a thoughtful patient-centered question from Jeremy, this time about how clinicians and caregivers cope with emotional trauma and whether it’s healthier to compartmentalize or seek support from loved ones.</p>
<p>For more candid, unfiltered conversation, listen to the full episode and explore these related resources:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</p>
<p><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/06/10/fhc-178-unfiltered/">FHC #178: Dying of a broken heart, literally</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #177: Inside TPMG’s bold AI strategy with CEO Maria Ansari</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/06/03/fhc-177-maria-ansari/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2025 02:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this special episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a>, hosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> welcome Dr. Maria Ansari, CEO of The Permanente Medical Group, Northwest Permanente and Mid-Atlantic Permanente Medical Group.</p>
<p>In this interview, Dr. Ansari offers a forward-looking perspective shaped by deep experience in value-based care and technological innovation. The conversation is part of Season 10’s focus on how technology—particularly generative AI—can reshape American medicine.</p>
<p>When asked about the three most transformative technologies of the next decade, Dr. Ansari reframes the question around three existential challenges in American healthcare: a shrinking clinical workforce, a rapidly aging population and the growing unaffordability of care. She then connects each challenge to a corresponding technological solution.</p>
<ol>
<li><strong> Easing workforce strain with ambient and generative AI.</strong><br />
With an expected shortfall of 120,000 physicians by decade’s end, Dr. Ansari emphasizes the urgent need to “get doctors back to doctoring.” Kaiser Permanente has deployed ambient AI tools to more than 22,000 physicians, helping automate documentation and reduce inbox burden. Generative AI now drafts personalized responses to patient messages, allowing doctors to serve as editors rather than authors. And in oncology, AI tools already help match complex cancer cases with the most effective treatment options, accelerating the delivery of cutting-edge care.</li>
<li><strong> Supporting aging populations with predictive analytics and remote care.</strong><br />
As patients grow older and sicker, AI-driven tools like digital care navigators and remote monitoring systems are helping close the gap between provider capacity and patient needs. One standout example: Kaiser’s “Care Plus” program uses AI to predict emergency department visits and triage patients to home-based or ambulatory care, reducing avoidable hospitalizations. Dr. Ansari also highlights emerging tools like wearables and digital “twins” to support self-management of chronic conditions like heart failure and prediabetes.</li>
<li><strong> Making care more affordable through prevention and personalization.</strong><br />
Dr. Ansari argues that real cost savings in medicine come from avoiding diseases in the first place. With AI-powered early detection tools (such as those that analyze subtle breast imaging markers), The Permanente Medical Group identifies cancer risks invisible to the human eye. These technologies, paired with systems like advanced alert monitoring in hospitals, are saving thousands of lives annually by preventing complications before they arise.</li>
</ol>
<p>Throughout the interview, Dr. Ansari is careful to position AI as “augmented intelligence,” a tool to enhance, not replace, human judgment. Whether improving medical education, empowering patients or reshaping the future of chronic disease, she calls for bold leadership and rapid adoption.</p>
<p>“If you want to have happy patients, you also have to have happy doctors,” she says, making a strong case for technology that supports both.</p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/06/03/fhc-177-maria-ansari/">FHC #177: Inside TPMG’s bold AI strategy with CEO Maria Ansari</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #176: What AGI means for medicine &#038; what Trump means for healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/05/28/fhc-176-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2025 13:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this month’s Diving Deep episode of the Fixing Healthcare podcast, cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> tackle two major questions:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>How have the first 100 days of Presidents Obama and Trump shaped American healthcare—and where is Trump’s second term headed? </strong></li>
<li><strong>What happens to medicine when artificial general intelligence (AGI) arrives, making generative AI as capable as human doctors?</strong></li>
</ul>
<p>The conversation begins with a comparison of the first 100 days of each president’s time in office. Dr. Pearl contrasts Obama’s focus on expanding access through the ACA with Trump’s emphasis on cutting costs by reducing federal spending. With Trump is back in the White House, what can Americans expect going forward? Pearl offers a clear-eyed assessment, drawing on past behavior, current executive orders, outside-the-box health agency appointments and campaign promises to project where healthcare may be headed next.</p>
<p>In the second half of the show, the cohosts shift to what may seem like a more futuristic question: what will it mean when machines match or exceed doctors in clinical reasoning, diagnosis and decision-making? But as Pearl explains, the arrival of AGI isn’t decades away. It’s coming soon and will be understood as a milestone rather than a tool, one that fits into the exponential evolution of GenAI. Here, Pearl examines what systems and cultures need to change to prepare for this fast-approaching change in medicine.</p>
<p>Together, these stories raise urgent questions about what’s driving American healthcare: Is it politics or technological progress? Listen to the full episode to hear both conversations and decide for yourself.</p>
<p>HELPFUL LINKS</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/05/12/what-happens-to-medicine-when-machines-are-as-good-as-doctors/">What Happens To Medicine When Machines Are As Good As Doctors?</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/04/27/obama-and-trumps-first-100-days-of-healthcare-policy-a-comparison/">Obama And Trump’s First 100 Days Of Healthcare Policy: A Comparison</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/05/28/fhc-176-diving-deep/">FHC #176: What AGI means for medicine &#038; what Trump means for healthcare</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #94: Measles, meds &#038; misinformation: Can we still trust American science?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/05/21/mtt-94-measles-meds-misinformation/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2025 14:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, co-hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr unpack a troubling set of healthcare developments—from surging vaccine-preventable illnesses to steep hikes in drug costs and the looming threat of Medicaid cuts.</p>
<p>Measles cases have now topped 1,000, with Texas experiencing the worst outbreak since the disease was declared eliminated in 2000. Meanwhile, other infectious diseases like pertussis and influenza are resurging. Dr. Pearl explains how falling vaccination rates could soon lead to tens of thousands of preventable deaths.</p>
<p>The episode also addresses the latest federal budget proposal, which calls for massive cuts to government health programs, even as the U.S. faces new public health crises. Drug prices, already soaring, are now subject to additional stress from rising tariffs, putting more lifesaving medications out of reach.</p>
<p>It’s not all bad news. A major new study suggests that shingles vaccination may reduce dementia risk by 20%, offering a powerful argument for broader preventive care. And despite rising costs, opioid-related deaths are dropping—thanks in part to expanded access to naloxone and other life-saving treatments.</p>
<p>Other key topics covered in this episode include:</p>
<ul>
<li>Measles outbreak in Texas becomes the largest in 25 years</li>
<li>Pertussis (whooping cough) cases double, marking a return to 1950s-era prevalence</li>
<li>S. drug prices up 11.4% in the past year, with 25% of prescriptions going unfilled</li>
<li>The Trump administration’s proposed $18 billion cut to the NIH and 3.6% CDC funding drop</li>
<li>New at-home tests approved for HPV and common STDs</li>
<li>Universal shingles vaccination may reduce dementia risk by 20%</li>
<li>GLP-1 weight-loss pills are on the horizon</li>
<li>New data reveal CT scans may be responsible for 100,000 cancer deaths</li>
<li>Pig-to-human kidney transplants hit new survival milestones</li>
<li>Smoking still contributes to 20% of all cancer cases</li>
<li>Universal vaccine effort raises scientific and political concerns</li>
<li>Autism’s true origins: What research does—and doesn’t—say</li>
<li>Marijuana during pregnancy linked to preterm birth, low weight, mortality</li>
<li>Five risk factors (including obesity and smoking) cut life expectancy by over a decade</li>
</ul>
<p>Tune in as Dr. Pearl and Jeremy Corr bring clarity to the headlines and offer sharp insight into the policies, science and statistics shaping American healthcare.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/05/21/mtt-94-measles-meds-misinformation/">MTT #94: Measles, meds &#038; misinformation: Can we still trust American science?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #175: Burnout, Broken Systems &#038; The Severed Self</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/05/13/fhc-175-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2025 21:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <em>Unfiltered</em>, cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr are joined once again by cardiologist and physician wellness advocate Dr. Jonathan Fisher. The trio take an unfiltered look at physician burnout, asking whether the profession itself is pushing doctors to emotionally “split in two.”</p>
<p>The discussion covers a wide range of pressing issues, from declining reimbursements and ineffective wellness programs to the cultural expectation that doctors must suppress grief, frustration and empathy to survive the workday.</p>
<p>Dr. Fisher warns that this emotional compartmentalization resembles the plot of the dystopian show <em>Severance</em>, and he draws on both psychological research and personal experience to explain how it can corrode doctors’ professional fulfillment and personal lives.</p>
<p>Dr. Pearl counters with skepticism that systemic change will happen unless clinicians lead the charge, proposing a bold, clinician-run experiment in preventive care that could reshape incentives and eliminate bureaucratic friction.</p>
<p>For more, listen to the full episode and check out these helpful links:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</p>
<p><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/05/13/fhc-175-unfiltered/">FHC #175: Burnout, Broken Systems &#038; The Severed Self</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #174: Zocdoc CEO says AI will cure healthcare’s scheduling chaos</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/05/07/fhc-174-zocdoc-ceo-oliver-kharraz/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2025 14:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In the latest episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a>, hosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> welcome Oliver Kharraz, founder and CEO of Zocdoc, for a conversation about the power of technology to eliminate one of medicine’s biggest pain points: access.</p>
<p>This interview, part of Season 10’s focus on transformative technology, spotlights Zocdoc’s role as a digital marketplace where patients can search for providers by specialty, insurance, availability and location. As Kharraz explains, Zocdoc aims to be the “connective tissue” of healthcare, streamlining care navigation while empowering both patients and providers.</p>
<p>Here are four key insights from the episode:</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>Regulatory red tape still strangles innovation:</strong> Kharraz recalls how outdated laws nearly shut down Zocdoc in its early days. Because federal regulations didn’t clearly address whether providers could be charged per appointment booked, Zocdoc was forced into a flat-fee model that stifled its growth. “It took us years to secure permission,” he says, but it proved that reform is possible when innovators persist.</li>
<li><strong>AI will revolutionize patient access, starting with the phone.</strong> Zocdoc is rolling out Zo, an AI-powered phone assistant that autonomously handles 70% of inbound scheduling calls. Kharraz calls the phone “bad for business” because it wastes staff time, frustrates patients and leaves money on the table. Zo offers real-time, friendly and flexible support without hold times, dramatically improving the patient experience and ROI.</li>
<li><strong>Healthcare needs a ‘Shopify,’ not a walled garden.</strong> According to Kharraz, most healthcare platforms create friction by forcing patients to juggle multiple logins and portals. Zocdoc’s model is open, decentralized and designed to integrate with EHRs, insurance systems and external platforms. It prioritizes ease and choice. “We’re not trying to be the only platform,” he says, “we’re trying to manage the complexity.”</li>
<li><strong>The future is patient-centered, not provider-centric.</strong> Kharraz envisions a healthcare experience where patients receive proactive support — from appointment reminders to prescription refills — through augmentative AI that acts like a superhuman assistant. He’s optimistic that a more personalized, consumer-driven model is emerging. “This doesn’t come at the provider’s expense,” he says. “Both sides benefit when the right match is made.”</li>
</ol>
<p>Kharraz has long championed patient-first thinking. This conversation not only explains how Zocdoc is improving access today, but where digital health innovation is headed next. Don’t miss it.</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #173: Before ChatGPT, Vinod Khosla predicted healthcare&#8217;s AI revolution</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/04/30/fhc-173-vinod-khosla/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2025 13:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this week’s <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a> podcast, co-hosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> flash back to a pivotal interview recorded in December 2021 with famed venture capitalist Vinod Khosla.</p>
<p>Season 10 of the show is dedicated to exploring how technology can reshape American medicine. What better way to reflect on the promises and pitfalls of healthcare innovation than by revisiting Khosla’s bold predictions—made a full year before the release of ChatGPT.</p>
<p>As an early investor in OpenAI and a tech visionary, Khosla discussed the transformative potential of AI, telemedicine and digital health platforms long before the current explosion of interest.</p>
<p>“The most expensive part of the system is expertise,” Khosla told listeners. “And expertise can relatively be tamed with technology and AI.”</p>
<p>In this flashback episode (<a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/12/13/fhc-40-vinod-khosla/">#40 if you’re looking for the original airing</a>), Khosla outlines how technology could bolster specialist access for rural communities, slash the cost of chronic disease care and eventually disrupt traditional hospital-centered healthcare systems.</p>
<p>Dr. Pearl and Jeremy Corr encourage listeners to pair this 2021 conversation with Khosla’s more recent appearance on the show (<a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/11/06/fhc-153-vinod-khosla/">episode #153</a>), offering an opportunity to compare past predictions with today’s emerging realities.</p>
<p><strong>Helpful links:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/11/06/fhc-153-vinod-khosla/">Vinod Khosla: How venture-backed tech is transforming U.S. healthcare</a> (FHC #153)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/">ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</a> (Pearl’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.khoslaventures.com/">Khosla Ventures</a> (Official Site)</li>
</ul>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/04/30/fhc-173-vinod-khosla/">FHC #173: Before ChatGPT, Vinod Khosla predicted healthcare&#8217;s AI revolution</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #172: 91% of Americans get subsidized healthcare. What if it vanishes?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/04/22/fhc-172-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2025 22:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this month’s Diving Deep episode of the Fixing Healthcare podcast, cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> tackle one of healthcare’s most misunderstood facts: nearly 91% of Americans receive some form of government healthcare assistance.</p>
<p>Whether your insurance comes through an employer, the online health insurance marketplace, Medicare or Medicaid, the government is footing part of the bill. But as federal debt surges and lawmakers search for places to cut spending, those subsidies—and your coverage—may be in jeopardy.</p>
<p>Dr. Pearl breaks down each of the five main ways the government subsidizes healthcare and explains why those programs are now in the political crosshairs. He also offers solutions to America’s spiraling healthcare costs, ones that go beyond cutting services.</p>
<p>Later in the episode, the focus turns to Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the new Secretary of Health and Human Services, and what his policies might mean for the future of American medicine.</p>
<p>Kennedy has promised to address chronic disease, mental health and pandemic preparedness, but his vaccine skepticism and unscientific treatment suggestions could further undermine public trust and worsen health outcomes.</p>
<p>Click play to hear the full conversation or check out these useful links below.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/03/24/91-of-healthcare-is-government-subsidized-is-your-coverage-safe/">91% Of Healthcare Is Government Subsidized. Is Yours Safe?</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/04/01/americans-are-dying-younger-will-rfk-jrs-policies-help-or-harm/">Americans Are Dying Younger: Will RFK Jr.’s Policies Help Or Harm?</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>MTT #93: Measles death toll rises, healthcare spending hits $5.2 trillion</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/04/15/mtt-93-measles/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2025 03:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, co-hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr examine the alarming spread of measles across 25 U.S. states (with outbreaks in six). The disease, as of this episode’s publication, has already led to 700 cases and the confirmed deaths of two unvaccinated children.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, healthcare costs have ballooned to $5.2 trillion, federal funding cuts are hampering outbreak response (as well as important scientific research), and Medicaid expansion under the ACA is facing serious threats.</p>
<p>Dr. Pearl discusses the broader implications of these events along with a host of key topics covered in this episode:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Measles cases top 700</strong>, with 60 hospitalizations and two pediatric deaths so far—making this the worst year for measles since 2019.</li>
<li><strong>RFK Jr. draws criticism</strong> for downplaying vaccine safety and promoting unproven treatments like cod liver oil and vitamin A.</li>
<li><strong>Federal healthcare spending</strong> rose 7.4% in 2024 to $5.2 trillion, with site-neutral payment reform under serious consideration.</li>
<li><strong>Massive HHS layoffs</strong> are threatening vaccine oversight, chronic disease research and global health initiatives like tuberculosis detection.</li>
<li><strong>Medicaid expansion under the ACA</strong> may be on the chopping block as Republicans look to trim $880 billion from federal spending.</li>
<li><strong>New leaders confirmed at the FDA and NIH</strong>, but Dr. Pearl questions whether they’ll have true autonomy under RFK’s restructuring plan.</li>
<li><strong>Academic research slows</strong>, with grant freezes, staff cuts and rescinded PhD offers throughout leading universities and academic medical centers.</li>
<li><strong>AI scribes reduce burnout</strong>, but cost savings remain elusive for providers and health systems.</li>
<li><strong>Tuberculosis remains the world’s deadliest infectious disease</strong>, and U.S. funding cuts may allow global cases to surge.</li>
<li><strong>GLP-1 warnings grow</strong> for women of childbearing age amid limited research and concerns about fetal risks.</li>
<li><strong>New study shows GenAI experienced ‘anxiety’</strong> after reading traumatic stories—raising fresh questions about emotional modeling in virtual therapy tools.</li>
<li><strong>Opioid deaths fall to 82,000</strong>, down 25% in the past year, thanks to better treatment access, more naloxone and less fentanyl availability.</li>
<li><strong>Low back pain study</strong> finds invasive treatments are least ineffective with ibuprofen, NSAIDs and exercise still the best options.</li>
<li><strong>Allergy seasons are worsening</strong>, with climate change driving longer frost-free periods and increased pollen counts.</li>
</ul>
<p>Tune in as Dr. Pearl and Jeremy Corr break down these pressing healthcare topics and explore what they mean for the future of American medicine.</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>
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		<title>FHC #171: The doctor is in &#8230; Lululemon?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/04/08/fhc-171-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2025 22:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this lively episode of <em>Unfiltered</em>, cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr are joined once again by cardiologist and physician wellness advocate Dr. Jonathan Fisher. The trio takes an unexpected but fascinating journey into the symbolism, psychology and culture of <strong>physician attire</strong>—and what shifting trends reveal about the status of American medicine.</p>
<p>What starts as an observation about the absence of neckties at a medical conference quickly unspools a broader discussion about generational shifts, burnout, respect, identity and power within the profession. The conversation weaves together personal stories, data, sociological insights and policy-level implications, ultimately questioning whether the erosion of formality is a symptom—or potentially a cause—of deeper challenges facing clinicians today.</p>
<p>Key topics discussed in this episode include:</p>
<ul>
<li>How physician attire reflects broader cultural and generational trends</li>
<li>The changing public perception of medical expertise and authority</li>
<li>Why younger patients prefer informality, and what it signals about healthcare relationships</li>
<li>The power dynamics behind the residency match system and physician pay</li>
<li>How primary care continues to be devalued in rhetoric, reimbursement and recruitment</li>
<li>Strategies to reclaim pride, purpose and influence in a system that too often sidelines physicians</li>
</ul>
<p>As always, the episode ends with a thoughtful patient-perspective question from Jeremy, diving into the nuances of patient comfort, demographics and the enduring importance of trust.</p>
<p>For more raw, unfiltered commentary, listen to the full episode and check out these helpful links:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</p>
<p><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #170: AI could save 500,000 lives, $1.5 trillion a year, says Dr. Pearl</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/04/01/fhc-170-dr-pearl/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2025 01:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In a special episode of Fixing Healthcare, <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Jeremy Corr</a> flips the script and interviews fellow cohost <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl</a>, who shares his expert view on the three most important technologies shaping the future of American medicine.</p>
<p>This conversation is part of Season 10’s exploration of tech-enabled healthcare transformation, featuring CEOs and leaders of healthcare leaders at major tech companies like <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/12/10/fhc-157-nvidia-kimberly-powell/">Nvidia</a>, <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/01/07/fhc-161-karen-desalvo/">Google</a>, <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/10/01/fhc-149-david-feinberg/">Oracle</a>, <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/03/04/fhc-167-joe-petro/">Microsoft</a> and <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/02/05/fhc-164-hippocratic-2/">Hippocratic AI</a>. The season has showcased how leaders in the field are approaching the digital revolution in medicine. Now, it’s Pearl’s turn to offer his unique perspective—nearly one year after the release of his bestselling book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><em>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</em></a>.</p>
<p>Pearl identifies three game-changing technologies:</p>
<h5><strong>1. Large language models (LLMs) like ChatGPT</strong></h5>
<p>Pearl calls these “the most significant breakthrough,” capable of offering patients real-time medical expertise and ushering in a new era of healthcare consumerism.</p>
<p>He shares <a href="https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/video/robert-pearl-chatgpt-md">several stories</a>—including one about a CEO who used ChatGPT to identify his daughter’s rare illness in seconds—that illustrate the power of LLMs to close diagnostic gaps and empower patients with expertise in unprecedented ways.</p>
<h5><strong>2. Telemedicine as the perfect complement to AI</strong></h5>
<p>Pearl describes <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/03/10/how-genai-plus-telemedicine-could-save-millions-of-lives/">telemedicine as a “complementor,”</a> a technology that, when paired with another (in this case, generative AI), becomes far more powerful than either could be alone. While AI can monitor patients 24/7 and identify emerging health issues, only telemedicine can instantly connect those patients to a human clinician for evaluation and care.</p>
<p>“The synergy of the two will be capable of overcoming the limitations and challenges of both time and distance,” Pearl explains. Together, these complementors can deliver real-time, personalized care while reducing costs and expanding access, especially in underserved and rural communities.</p>
<h5><strong>3. ‘Derivatives’ trained on distillation &amp; real clinical interactions</strong></h5>
<p>Pearl introduces a new class of AI-powered assistants designed to manage chronic diseases, perform triage and monitor patients at home. These tools, built through “<a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/02/24/how-deepseek-and-knowledge-distillation-will-reshape-medicine/">knowledge distillation</a>” and trained on actual clinician-patient exchanges, could help prevent hundreds of thousands of heart attacks, strokes and other major complications from chronic disease every year.</p>
<p>Pearl also addresses concerns about bias, liability and job displacement. He argues that AI won’t replace doctors but will change their roles, reduce burnout and make healthcare more affordable for everyone.</p>
<p>Additionally, Pearl praises the foresight of prior Season 10 guests while also pointing out that most focused on today’s tools (like documentation automation) rather than imagining the radically different world five to 10 years from now. Pearl believes generative AI will go far beyond helping doctors with administrative tasks. It will empower patients, reduce costs improve outcomes, and shift the balance of power in healthcare.</p>
<p>Click play to hear this wide-ranging, insightful discussion about the digital future of medicine.</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #169: How GenAI, telemedicine can fix America&#8217;s chronic disease crisis</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/03/26/fhc-169-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2025 14:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this month’s Diving Deep episode of the Fixing Healthcare podcast, cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> tackle the fusion of generative AI and telemedicine, demonstrating how the combination could radically improve chronic disease care in the United States and save millions of lives.</p>
<p>The conversation begins at the Paris AI Summit, where U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance surprised global attendees by blasting the world’s “self-conscious, risk-averse” approach to AI. Vance warned that overregulation could “paralyze” this generation-defining technology. Pearl notes a fundamental shift is now underway, with leaders beginning to view generative AI as a force for progress rather than a threat to contain.</p>
<p>From there, the hosts explore the rise of DeepSeek, a new open-source AI system out of China that has opened the door to game-changing medical advances: powerful medical applications that will be affordable to produce and accessible to all. Pearl explains how DeepSeek’s use of “knowledge distillation” combined with expert specialization, data compression and real patient interactions will enable health innovators to build hyper-specialized, disease-specific tools.</p>
<p>The most exciting prospect, Pearl says, lies in the synergy between GenAI and telemedicine. Alone, each technology has serious limitations. Together, they create a breakthrough model for 24/7, real-time care. This innovative blend of technologies would allow doctors and patients to overcome geographic, financial and clinical bottlenecks.</p>
<p>Pearl outlines how these tools could provide better chronic disease control, enhance access to rare specialists and prevent medical crises before they happen. He also issues a warning: none of this will happen without fundamental payment reform. As long as physicians are paid to treat complications—not prevent them—America will remain stuck in a costly and outdated model.</p>
<p>Click play to hear the full conversation or check out these useful links below.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/02/24/how-deepseek-and-knowledge-distillation-will-reshape-medicine/">Why DeepSeek Will Upend American Medicine</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/03/10/how-genai-plus-telemedicine-could-save-millions-of-lives/">How GenAI Plus Telemedicine Could Save Millions Of Lives</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #168: How political unrest is changing American healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/03/19/fhc-168-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2025 14:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this <em>Unfiltered</em> episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, co-hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr welcome back cardiologist and burnout expert Dr. Jonathan Fisher for a candid discussion on how political decisions and healthcare policy changes are influencing doctors, patients and the broader medical system.</p>
<p>Drs. Pearl and Fisher examine the growing uncertainty in medicine, from potential Medicaid cuts and vaccine policy shifts to rising drug costs and global health challenges. They explore how these issues are increasing physician burnout, eroding trust in the doctor-patient relationship, and forcing clinicians to confront difficult ethical and financial dilemmas.</p>
<p>Key topics discussed in this episode include:</p>
<ul>
<li>The political forces reshaping American healthcare</li>
<li>How Medicaid cuts could leave patients without care—and doctors with impossible choices</li>
<li>The alarming resurgence of measles and the battle over vaccine policies</li>
<li>Why physician burnout is worsening amid policy uncertainty</li>
<li>The rise of medical mistrust and how doctors can rebuild patient confidence</li>
<li>Leadership in times of crisis: what it takes to navigate an evolving healthcare landscape</li>
</ul>
<p>For more raw, unfiltered commentary, listen to the full episode and check out these helpful links:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>MTT #92: The worst flu season in 15 years, a measles resurgence &#038; Medicaid cuts</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/03/12/mtt-92/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2025 15:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, co-hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr dive into the latest developments in American healthcare, from a severe flu outbreak to deep Medicaid cuts that could change health coverage as we know it.</p>
<p>This year’s influenza season is the worst in 15 years, leading to more flu hospitalizations and deaths than COVID-19 for the first time since the pandemic began. Meanwhile, a measles outbreak in Texas is raising alarms, fueled by low vaccination rates and a surprising response from the new Health and Human Services Secretary, RFK Jr. On the policy front, federal funding cuts to Medicaid and the NIH are already affecting hospitals, academic research and public health agencies.</p>
<p>Here’s a snapshot of just some of the major topics covered in this episode:</p>
<ul>
<li>Flu cases surging as hospitalizations now outpace COVID.</li>
<li>A measles outbreak in Texas affecting unvaccinated children.</li>
<li>Massive Medicaid cuts to the tune of $880 billion.</li>
<li>NIH funding slashed with research centers feeling the squeeze.</li>
<li>FDA staff cuts are slowing drug approvals.</li>
<li>CDC is struggling to track new infectious disease threats amid cuts.</li>
<li>Congress debating whether AI should write prescriptions.</li>
<li>GLP-1 drugs may curb drinking, too.</li>
<li>Kids’ test scores are still down from the pandemic.</li>
</ul>
<p>Tune in as Dr. Pearl and Jeremy Corr break down these pressing healthcare topics and explore what they mean for the future of American medicine.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>
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		<title>FHC #167: How Microsoft&#8217;s AI solutions got a doctor home in time for dinner</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/03/04/fhc-167-joe-petro/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2025 04:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In the latest episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a>, hosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> welcome <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joepetro/">Joe Petro</a>, Corporate Vice President of Microsoft Health &amp; Life Sciences Solutions and Platforms.</p>
<p>A mechanical engineer by training, Petro offers a refreshing and sometimes surprising take on AI’s role in healthcare. Despite being at the forefront of innovation in one of the world’s largest tech companies, he describes himself as an “incredible technology skeptic.” He explains that skepticism is precisely what’s needed to ensure AI improves, rather than disrupts, the physician-patient relationship.</p>
<p>This conversation is part of <em>Fixing Healthcare’s</em> Season 10, which explores how technology—particularly AI—can reshape American medicine. Petro highlights three major shifts that will define the coming decade:</p>
<h4><strong>1. AI as the new co-pilot for doctors</strong></h4>
<p>Petro sees a future where AI functions as a real-time assistant to physicians, handling administrative burdens, generating clinical insights and optimizing workflows. He envisions AI acting like an augmented intelligence tool, offering guidance at the point of care rather than replacing human decision-making.</p>
<p>By reducing time spent on documentation and bureaucracy, AI lets clinicians focus more on patient interactions, improving both efficiency and quality of care. A prime example? Petro recounts how an AI-powered solution helped a hospital’s chief medical officer get home in time for dinner for the first time in 25 years.</p>
<p>Petro likens this transformation to the “Bridge” from Star Trek—a place where AI, data, and human expertise come together seamlessly. Just as Captain Kirk relied on real-time insights from the ship’s computer, doctors will soon have an intelligent, AI-powered assistant guiding their decision-making and simplifying their workflow.</p>
<h4><strong>2. The EHR is here to stay—but AI will completely change how we use it</strong></h4>
<p>For years, physicians have bemoaned electronic health records (EHRs), blaming them for burnout and inefficiency. Petro doesn’t believe they’re going away. Instead, AI will radically improve them.</p>
<p>Instead of static systems that require excessive manual input, AI-driven EHRs will automate documentation, surface relevant clinical insights and anticipate physician needs without ever typing a note. In fact, Petro describes a future where doctors never have to stare at a screen during a patient visit again. Instead, AI will listen in the background, generate documentation in real-time and provide decision support without disrupting the human connection between doctor and patient. This transformation, he argues, will reduce burnout, improve efficiency and ultimately lead to better care.</p>
<h4><strong>3. AI will shift healthcare from treatment to prevention</strong></h4>
<p>A central theme of the discussion is how AI can help shift medicine’s focus from reactive treatment to proactive disease prevention. Petro describes a future where AI-powered virtual assistants track patient health data, predict complications and intervene early. All this will empower patients to manage chronic conditions more effectively.</p>
<p>He acknowledges regulatory and liability concerns but insists that the inevitability of AI-driven self-diagnosis will force the industry to adapt. He predicts AI-powered tools will soon deliver tailored medical insights, helping patients make informed decisions without waiting for in-person doctor visits.</p>
<h4><strong>Humanity, skepticism remain important </strong></h4>
<p>Beyond these predictions, Petro doesn’t shy away from skepticism. He warns against blind faith in technology, stressing that successful implementation requires trust, rigorous testing and physician buy-in.</p>
<p>His passion for these topics are deeply personal. Petro shares a moving story about his mother, who struggled with health issues later in life. He emphasizes how empathetic, attentive care made all the difference for her—and how AI should be used to enable more of these meaningful interactions, not replace them.</p>
<p>Ultimately, Petro’s vision is both optimistic and cautionary. He sees AI as a tool to enhance, not replace, human decision-making in medicine. With healthcare systems struggling under the weight of administrative burdens, staffing shortages and rising costs, he believes AI represents an opportunity to ease these pressures while improving patient outcomes.</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #166: Musk&#8217;s DOGE vs. healthcare + UnitedHealth’s defining moment</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/02/25/fhc-166-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2025 03:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this month’s <em>Diving Deep</em> episode, part of the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast series, <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> examine three pressing topics shaping the future of American medicine: the Musk-led effort to slash government spending (including healthcare programs), the neuroscience behind irrational decision-making and the defining moment facing UnitedHealth Group in the wake of its CEO’s tragic death.</p>
<p>We begin the episode with Donald Trump’s second term and the launch of DOGE (the Department of Government Efficiency), led by Elon Musk. The duo share a vision of cutting billions, perhaps trillions, of dollars in “fraud and waste” from the federal budget. But with Social Security, Medicare, and defense deemed untouchable, Pearl explains why the focus will inevitably turn to Medicaid and online health insurance exchanges—programs that provide healthcare access to low-income Americans. He then breaks down the consequences, which include millions of Americans losing health coverage and, therefore, access to vital medical services.</p>
<p>Shifting gears, the hosts explore a fascinating cognitive phenomenon called “brainshift,” a subconscious process in which perception becomes altered when people are faced with situations that involve significant fear or reward. Drawing on research he conducted with neurologist Dr. George York, Pearl explains how brainshift can make irrational choices feel rational. To illustrate this phenomenon in medicine, Pearl points to various examples of brainshift and, ultimately, touches on ways to overcome its negative effects.</p>
<p>Finally, the episode revisits the death of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson and the pivotal decisions now facing the company’s leadership. Pearl and Corr analyze UnitedHealth Group’s long-standing strategy of cost-cutting and claim denials, a model that has made it the largest insurer in the U.S. but also a target of public and congressional scrutiny. CEO Andrew Witty now has a chance to shift the company’s approach from restricting care to preventing illness. Pearl outlines three bold moves UnitedHealth could take.</p>
<p>Click play to hear the full conversation and explore what it will take to transform healthcare for the better.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/02/10/after-ceos-murder-unitedhealth-faces-a-defining-moment/">UnitedHealth Faces A Defining Moment After CEO’s Killing</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/02/03/the-tiktok-reversal-and-the-science-of-illogical-medical-decisions/">The TikTok Reversal And The Science Of Illogical Medical Decisions</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/01/13/musk-doge-threaten-the-health-of-millions-of-americans/">Musk’s DOGE Could Threaten The Health Of Millions Of Americans</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #165: Why doctors are doing side gigs</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/02/19/fhc-165-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2025 15:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this <em>Unfiltered</em> episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, co-hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr welcome back cardiologist and burnout expert Dr. Jonathan Fisher to explore a surprising and growing trend: the rise of physician side gigs.</p>
<p>The discussion opens with eye-opening statistics: 40% of doctors now have a side gig, bringing in an average of $34,000 annually. This shift marks a stark departure from the past, when physicians expected to practice medicine full-time for decades.</p>
<p>Drs. Pearl and Fisher debate the driving forces behind this change, from rising burnout and financial pressures to shifting generational attitudes about work and career fulfillment.</p>
<p>The conversation also tackles broader questions about the evolving role of doctors in modern medicine. As AI reshapes healthcare and physicians increasingly work for large institutions rather than private practices, has medicine become less stimulating? Are doctors seeking side gigs as an outlet for creativity, financial stability or a deeper sense of purpose? And how can healthcare organizations adapt to retain and empower their workforce?</p>
<p>Key topics discussed in this episode include:<br />
• The staggering rise in physician side gigs and what’s driving the trend<br />
• How burnout, job dissatisfaction and financial pressures factor in<br />
• The shift from independent practice to hospital employment<br />
• Medicine’s declining intellectual stimulation and the search for creative outlets<br />
• The role of AI in reshaping doctors’ work and financial futures<br />
• What healthcare leaders must do to engage and retain top medical talent</p>
<p>For more raw, unfiltered commentary, listen to the full episode and check out these helpful links:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</p>
<p><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/02/19/fhc-165-unfiltered/">FHC #165: Why doctors are doing side gigs</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #91: The future of AI in healthcare &#038; the latest on vaccines, dementia, cancer</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/02/12/mtt-91-ai-in-healthcare/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2025 16:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, co-hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr discuss some of the most pressing issues in medicine today, from the latest breakthroughs in generative AI to concerning trends in breast cancer and dementia.</p>
<p>A major shake-up in artificial intelligence is unfolding, with China’s DeepSeek releasing an open-source AI model that rivals industry leaders like ChatGPT and Gemini—at a fraction of the cost. Dr. Pearl explains how this could democratize AI in medicine, enabling more companies to develop specialized AI tools for chronic disease management, patient diagnosis and treatment recommendations. He predicts that within three to five years, AI-powered healthcare tools will be widely available, cutting costs while improving outcomes.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, UnitedHealth Group’s latest earnings call sheds light on how the insurance giant plans to navigate growing public anger over healthcare costs. The company, which generated $400 billion in revenue and employs 90,000 doctors, is blaming high prices on hospitals and drugmakers. Dr. Pearl questions whether United will continue its current approach—restricting care through denials and prior authorizations—or if it will finally take the lead in reducing costs by investing in chronic disease prevention and patient health.</p>
<p>Here’s a snapshot of just some of the other topics covered in this episode of Medicine: The Truth:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>The latest on winter viruses, vaccine safety and the MMR controversy</strong></li>
<li><strong>The FDA’s plan to require clearer nutrition labels on food packaging</strong></li>
<li><strong>A concerning rise in aggressive breast cancer cases among younger women</strong></li>
<li><strong>Why dementia rates are expected to double over the next three decades</strong></li>
<li><strong>The FDA’s approval of a groundbreaking non-opioid pain medication</strong></li>
<li><strong>The Biden administration’s plan to negotiate drug prices, including Ozempic and Wegovy</strong></li>
<li><strong>The U.S. decision to withdraw from the World Health Organization and its potential consequences</strong></li>
</ul>
<p>Tune in as Dr. Pearl and Jeremy Corr untangle these complex issues and explore what’s next for medicine in America.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/02/12/mtt-91-ai-in-healthcare/">MTT #91: The future of AI in healthcare &#038; the latest on vaccines, dementia, cancer</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #164: AI vs. healthcare&#8217;s staffing crisis with Hippocratic&#8217;s CEO</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/02/05/fhc-164-hippocratic-2/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2025 15:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In the latest episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a>, hosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> welcome <a href="https://munjalshah.com/about-munjal-shah/">Munjal Shah</a>, co-founder and CEO of Hippocratic AI, to explore how generative AI can help address one of the biggest challenges in healthcare today: the growing shortage of clinical workers.</p>
<p>Shah, a serial entrepreneur with a background in artificial intelligence, founded Hippocratic AI with an aim to build safe, scalable AI-powered healthcare agents that can assist with non-diagnostic patient care. In this interview, he shares his company’s progress in developing virtual solutions, lowering healthcare costs and expanding access to care.</p>
<p>This discussion is part of <em>Fixing Healthcare’s</em> Season 10, which examines how technology is reshaping medicine. Shah highlights three key insights on how AI can support healthcare professionals and improve patient outcomes:</p>
<h5><strong>1. AI-powered virtual Agents</strong></h5>
<p>Shah describes how Hippocratic AI is developing virtual agents that call patients, provide education and support chronic disease management—all at a fraction of the cost of human outreach. Unlike AI models designed for diagnostics or clinical documentation, Hippocratic focuses exclusively on non-prescriptive, patient-facing tasks within the scope of registered agents.</p>
<p>With AI-driven follow-ups, healthcare providers can now check in on <em>all</em> at-risk patients, not just the sickest 5-10%. Shah gives a powerful example of how missed blood pressure monitoring contributed to his mother’s heart failure—an outcome that AI-assisted outreach could have prevented.</p>
<h5><strong>2. Reducing healthcare costs while scaling patient support</strong></h5>
<p>One of the biggest challenges in healthcare today is the inability to scale preventive care and chronic disease management due to limited staffing. Shah reveals that Hippocratic’s AI-powered agents operate at a cost of just $9 per hour, which he says is a game-changer for health systems struggling with resource shortages.</p>
<p>He envisions AI agents making millions of proactive calls, reminding patients to take their medications, checking for early signs of complications and preventing avoidable ER visits. The technology could also be used in disaster response—calling patients at risk during heat waves, hurricanes or blackouts to coordinate medical assistance.</p>
<h5><strong>3. Safety, supervision &amp; real-world testing with AI</strong></h5>
<p>Despite AI’s promise, Shah acknowledges that safety and accuracy remain top priorities. He explains how Hippocratic rigorously tests its models, using real nurses to evaluate and refine AI performance before deployment.</p>
<p>Unlike other AI tools that may hallucinate or provide misleading information, Hippocratic’s system is designed with 19 supervisory AI models to catch potential errors in real time. Shah argues that AI should complement, not replace, human clinicians—freeing them from administrative burdens so they can focus on hands-on patient care.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/02/05/fhc-164-hippocratic-2/">FHC #164: AI vs. healthcare&#8217;s staffing crisis with Hippocratic&#8217;s CEO</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #163: Lessons from the tech industry &#038; a CEO&#8217;s tragic murder</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/01/28/fhc-163-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2025 00:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this month’s <em>Diving Deep</em> episode, part of the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast series, <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> tackle two powerful stories that stand at medicine’s crossroads.</p>
<p>Dr. Pearl begins by exploring the rise of Nvidia and the decline of Intel as a framework for understanding healthcare’s current challenges. Nvidia’s success in embracing cutting-edge GPU technology and pivoting toward future demands stands in stark contrast to Intel’s hesitation to adapt. The biggest lesson for healthcare professionals is clear: clinging to outdated models will lead to stagnation and failure. Pearl urges his colleagues in the industry to make an important series of shifts: to value-based care and chronic disease prevention that will transform the system, improve patient outcomes and empower clinicians.</p>
<p>The episode then shifts to the controversial public response to the killing of Brian Thompson. Pearl and Corr discuss why tens of thousands of Americans reacted to the news with “likes” and laughter on social media. Pearl explains how this visceral response reflects the agony of patients and families who feel abandoned and powerless in a system that prioritizes bureaucracy over compassion. He argues that healthcare’s failures should be reframed as a moral crisis—one that demands immediate and transformative action from leaders and policymakers.</p>
<p>Click play to hear the full conversation and explore what it will take to transform healthcare for the better.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2025/01/06/do-we-care-enough-to-end-the-suffering-our-healthcare-system-inflicts/">Do We Care Enough To End The Suffering Our Healthcare System Inflicts?</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/12/16/healthcare-professionals-are-doomed-unless-they-learn-from-nvidia-intel/">Healthcare Professionals Are Doomed—Unless They Learn From Nvidia, Intel</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/01/28/fhc-163-diving-deep/">FHC #163: Lessons from the tech industry &#038; a CEO&#8217;s tragic murder</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #162: Overcoming medical errors and rebuilding public trust</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/01/22/fhc-162-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2025 20:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this <em>Unfiltered</em> episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, co-hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr are joined by cardiologist and burnout expert Dr. Jonathan Fisher for an up-close look at two pressing challenges in healthcare: the persistent issue of medical errors and the growing erosion of public trust in the U.S. healthcare system.</p>
<p>Dr. Pearl kicks off the discussion by highlighting a staggering statistic—400,000 people die annually from diagnostic errors in the U.S., with another 400,000 suffering permanent disability. Despite these figures, the conversation around AI in healthcare tends to focus on its limitations rather than its potential to reduce human error. Drs. Fisher and Pearl explore why physicians struggle to acknowledge medical mistakes and how shifting the culture to one of psychological safety and continuous learning could help.</p>
<p>The conversation later pivots to the recent assassination of a prominent healthcare CEO and the surprising public response on social media. Fisher and Pearl dissect the public’s growing disillusionment with the healthcare system, emphasizing the deep emotional pain that many Americans experience when they feel powerless to access or afford the care they need.</p>
<p><strong>Key topics discussed in this episode include:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Medical errors and AI’s potential role in reducing misdiagnoses</li>
<li>The hidden fears and pressures physicians face in acknowledging mistakes</li>
<li>Rebuilding trust in healthcare leadership amid rising public frustration</li>
<li>The emotional toll of poor healthcare access and affordability</li>
<li>Balancing new technology with traditional patient care</li>
<li>Setting meaningful goals for healthcare organizations in the new year</li>
</ul>
<p>For more raw, insightful commentary, listen to the full episode and check out these helpful links:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</p>
<p><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>MTT #90: Winter viruses, vaccine skepticism &#038; America’s healthcare frustrations</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/01/15/mtt-90-winter-viruses/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jan 2025 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, co-hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr take on the pressing medical challenges dominating headlines this winter.</p>
<p>From rising concerns about respiratory infections and vaccine skepticism to the harsh realities of healthcare costs, this episode delivers a comprehensive look at what’s happening in American medicine today.</p>
<p>The conversation opens with an update on winter viruses, including COVID-19, the flu, RSV and a resurgence of whooping cough. Dr. Pearl explains the risks posed by low vaccination rates and the new COVID variant, XEC, which combines troubling mutations from prior strains. Meanwhile, pertussis (whooping cough) infections have soared to six times higher than last year, endangering unvaccinated children and vulnerable infants.</p>
<p>The discussion also examines the role of vaccine skepticism in the political sphere, focusing on President-elect Trump’s appointment of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to a key health position. Dr. Pearl shares insights on the consequences of anti-vaccine rhetoric and what it could mean for public health policy.</p>
<p>Here’s a snapshot of just some of the other topics covered in this episode of <em>Medicine: The Truth</em>:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>The rise of bird flu and its potential to spark a pandemic</strong></li>
<li><strong>Falling public confidence in healthcare quality and coverage</strong></li>
<li><strong>The troubling response to the UnitedHealthcare CEO’s tragic death</strong></li>
<li><strong>New regulations eliminating medical debt from credit scores</strong></li>
<li><strong>Declining alcohol and marijuana use among teenagers</strong></li>
<li><strong>Encouraging trends in obesity rates thanks to GLP-1 medications</strong></li>
</ul>
<p>Tune in as Dr. Pearl and Jeremy Corr untangle these complex issues and explore what’s next for medicine in America.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>” about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>
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		<title>FHC #161: AI will help docs be their best selves, says Google&#8217;s Karen DeSalvo</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/01/07/fhc-161-karen-desalvo/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jan 2025 16:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In the latest episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a>, hosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> welcome <a href="https://health.google/about-us/">Dr. Karen DeSalvo</a>, an internal medicine physician and the Chief Health Officer at Google, to explore the transformative impact of technology on healthcare.</p>
<p>Drawing from her vast experience—including roles as Health Commissioner in New Orleans and National Coordinator for Health Information Technology under the Obama administration—DeSalvo provides a compelling vision for how AI, multimodal data collection and cloud systems will shape the future of medicine.</p>
<p>This interview is part of Season 10, which focuses on how technology will redefine healthcare in the coming years. When asked by Dr. Pearl about the three technologies she believes will have the greatest impact on healthcare, DeSalvo highlighted the following:</p>
<h3><strong>1. Generative AI (Gen AI)</strong></h3>
<p>DeSalvo delves into the revolutionary potential of generative AI in healthcare. She envisions a future where AI agents not only automate tasks but help healthcare providers achieve their “best selves.”</p>
<p>These agents will enhance clinical workflows, facilitate patient engagement and support personalized medicine. Beyond the clinical setting, DeSalvo foresees AI acting as a patient’s personal advocate, navigating health journeys, offering preventive insights and even revisiting doctor-patient visits to clarify instructions or analyze diagnostics. While acknowledging the current limitations of AI’s reliability, she predicts that as these models grow exponentially in power, their integration into healthcare teams will revolutionize care delivery.</p>
<h3><strong>2. Multimodal data collection</strong></h3>
<p>The discussion shifts to the integration of multimodal data from various sources, such as sensors, smartphones and environmental monitors. DeSalvo explains how these technologies can create a comprehensive health narrative for individuals, aiding in the early detection of chronic diseases and other health issues.</p>
<p>She paints a futuristic picture where these tools seamlessly integrate into daily life, acting like a constant companion—“like having your primary care doctor or even your mom with you at all times”—nudging healthier behaviors and contextualizing health data in real time.</p>
<p>For underserved populations, such tools could expand access to culturally and linguistically appropriate care, bridging critical gaps in health equity.</p>
<h3><strong>3. Cloud technology and data systems</strong></h3>
<p>DeSalvo underscores the importance of cloud-based solutions in unlocking the potential of health data. She highlights the barriers posed by siloed, on-premise systems and paper records, which hinder care continuity, scientific research and patient experience.</p>
<p>Cloud environments, she argues, offer enhanced cybersecurity, interoperability and opportunities for rapid AI advancements. By making data accessible while maintaining privacy and security, cloud technology could drive equitable health outcomes globally and foster collaboration across healthcare organizations.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, DeSalvo’s insights are grounded in her practical experiences in public health and technology. She shares examples of Google’s initiatives, such as using Android platforms to support community health workers in rural areas and leveraging AI tools like AlphaFold for groundbreaking protein-folding research. She emphasizes the importance of creating solutions tailored to real-world challenges, particularly in low-resource settings.</p>
<p>Dr. Pearl concludes the interview by reflecting on DeSalvo’s optimism for technology’s role in transforming healthcare. He predicts that the integration of AI, multimodal data and cloud systems will empower patients, improve health equity, and alleviate the burdens on clinicians, ultimately leading to better outcomes and a more effective healthcare system.</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #160: Fixing Healthcare flashback with Zubin Damania</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2025/01/01/fhc-160-zubin-damania/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2025 17:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>As we prepare to usher in 2025—with a new presidential administration and shifting congressional landscape—it’s the perfect time to revisit the politics of medicine, both in the workplace and on the national stage.</p>
<p>This <em>Fixing Healthcare </em>flashback features a December 2022 episode of <em>Unfiltered</em>, where cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr dive into this thorny topic with Zubin Damania, better known as ZDoggMD.</p>
<p>For Pearl, the relationship between medicine and politics wasn’t always so clear cut. He recalls his college decision to pursue healthcare, imagining it as a field free from the messiness of politics.</p>
<p>“Healthcare is about life and death,” Pearl reflects, laughing at his teenage naivety. “How could there be politics entwined inside that esteemed world?”</p>
<p>Of course, the reality proved far different, with politics and medicine deeply intertwined at every level—from hospital boardrooms to Capitol Hill.</p>
<p>In this lively discussion, ZDoggMD brings his characteristic humor and insight to the table as the trio explores how politics—whether institutional, cultural or governmental—shapes American healthcare. Together, they ponder whether logic and common sense have any chance of prevailing in a system so heavily influenced by competing interests.</p>
<p>To navigate the political landscape of medicine, press play and listen to this insightful episode.</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #159: Fixing Healthcare flashback with Jonathan Fisher</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/12/24/fhc-159-jonathan-fisher/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2024 17:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This holiday season, <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr invite listeners to reflect on the most valuable gift you can give yourself: a healthier, happier heart.</p>
<p>In the spirit of well-being and renewal, we’re revisiting one of the first-ever “Unfiltered” episodes featuring Dr. Jonathan Fisher, a respected cardiologist and advocate for physician wellness. This flashback episode highlights timeless lessons from his acclaimed book, <em>Just One Heart: A Cardiologist’s Guide to Healing, Health, and Happiness.</em></p>
<p>Originally aired in mid-2023, the interview dives into the “Seven Timeless Traits of the Heart”: steadiness, wisdom, openness, wholeness, courage, lightness, and warmth. Each trait offers actionable strategies and exercises to cultivate greater health, joy, and meaning in life.</p>
<p>“As you strengthen the seven traits of your heart,” Fisher says, “you will find more health, joy, meaning, and connection in your own life and have the tools to help others do the same.”</p>
<p>This episode serves as a perfect reminder that, during the holidays, taking care of your heart—both physically and emotionally—is a gift that keeps on giving. To discover more, press play and check out these helpful links:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007?"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s new book)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/heart-surgeon-leading-from-humanleaders/"><strong>A Cardiologist on Leading From the Heart</strong></a> (‘Human Leaders’ on LinkedIn)</li>
<li><a href="https://supportnovanthealth.org/meet-the-mindful-heart-doctor/"><strong>Meet ‘the mindful heart doctor’</strong></a> (NHF)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2022/10/24/brain-heart-spine-the-anatomy-of-healthcare-leadership/?sh=29ab9b6a10e7"><strong>Brain, Heart, Spine: The Anatomy of Healthcare Leadership</strong></a> (Forbes)</li>
</ul>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #158: RFK Jr., obesity, the healthcare cost crisis and AI</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/12/18/fhc-158-rfk-jr/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2024 15:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this month’s <em>Diving Deep</em> episode, part of the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast series, <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> tackle three critical topics shaping the future of medicine: Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s nomination as Secretary of Health and Human Services, the escalating healthcare cost crisis and the potential of primary care to mitigate it, and the challenge of distinguishing hype from reality in the world of generative AI.</p>
<p>The episode begins as Dr. Pearl acknowledges the controversy surrounding Kennedy’s anti-establishment views, particularly on vaccines, but also highlights an upside: his focus on food reform. Pearl says that Kennedy’s willingness to challenge the food industry could create meaningful change, and he points to successful soda taxes and lead removal as examples of how bold action can improve public health.Next topic on today’s show: Pearl outlines his <em>Enhanced Primary Care</em> model to combat obesity and chronic disease:</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>Align incentives.</strong> Pay doctors for better patient outcomes, not just office visits.</li>
<li><strong>Empower patients.</strong> Use generative AI and real-time monitoring tools to help patients manage their health between visits.</li>
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<p>Finally, Dr. Pearl closes with a reality check on AI. While AI can’t override biology, it holds immense promise in empowering patients, improving outcomes, and reducing clinician burnout.</p>
<p>Click play to hear these insights and more, and explore how healthcare leaders can improve care for patients at all stages of life.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/12/09/how-rfk-jr-could-reverse-our-nations-foolish-approach-to-obesity/">How RFK Jr. Could Reverse Our Nation’s Illogical Approach To Obesity</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/11/18/healthcares-cost-crisis-how-primary-care-can-deliver-the-savings-we-need/">Healthcare’s Cost Crisis: How Primary Care Can Deliver The Savings We Need</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/11/11/3-simple-questions-to-separate-ai-reality-from-hype-in-medicine/">3 Simple Questions To Separate AI Reality From Hype In Medicine</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #157: NVIDIA expects AI, robots to cure healthcare&#8217;s biggest problems</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/12/10/fhc-157-nvidia-kimberly-powell/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 00:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this latest episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a>, hosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> welcome <a href="https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/author/kimberly-powell/">Kimberly Powell</a>, vice president of healthcare at <a href="https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/industries/healthcare-life-sciences/">NVIDIA</a>, to explore how the company’s technologies are reshaping healthcare.</p>
<p>Powell provides a fascinating lens through which to view healthcare’s future, especially as AI begins to play a more prominent role in patient care, diagnostics and clinical decision-making. The interview, part of Season 10’s deep dive into transformative healthcare technologies, kicks off with a question from Pearl: “What are the three technologies that will have the greatest impact on healthcare over the next five to 10 years?”</p>
<p>Here’s what Powell had to say:</p>
<h3><strong>1. Accelerated computing</strong></h3>
<p>Powell explains how NVIDIA’s GPUs (graphics processing units) have revolutionized data processing, enabling breakthroughs in medical imaging, molecular simulations and AI-driven diagnostics. She highlights how GPUs’ parallel processing power surpasses traditional CPUs, unlocking new possibilities in real-time medical applications.</p>
<h3><strong>2. Generative AI</strong></h3>
<p>The conversation turns to the explosive growth of generative AI, powered by NVIDIA’s latest technologies. Powell details GenAI’s capacity to handle massive datasets, train neural networks and power applications like ChatGPT and digital health agents. These tools, she notes, will transform everything from clinical documentation to patient monitoring, and in turn will help to reduce clinician burnout, improve patient engagement and drive personalized treatments.</p>
<h3><strong>3. Robotics and physical AI</strong></h3>
<p>Powell introduces the concept of “physical AI,” where robots equipped with advanced AI capabilities will redefine patient care. Powell highlights how this technology could automate surgical procedures, creating smarter hospital systems and deploying robots that enhance patient care and safety.  She paints a picture of a future where AI technology not only optimizes operations but also enhances safety and outcomes.The company hopes to leverage its technologies—from real-time patient monitoring systems and digital avatars for mental health to clinical trial optimization tools—to solve healthcare’s thorniest problems.</p>
<p>A recurring theme in the episode is Powell’s emphasis on the “ecosystem of innovation” NVIDIA has built, fostering partnerships with startups and healthcare institutions worldwide. The company is planning to leverage its technologies—from real-time patient monitoring systems and digital avatars for mental health to clinical trial optimization tools—to solve healthcare’s thorniest problems.</p>
<p>Pearl and Powell also reflect on the implications of generative AI in healthcare, as explored in Pearl’s recent Forbes article, “<a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/04/17/nvidias-ai-bot-outperforms-nurses-heres-what-it-means-for-you/">Nvidia’s AI Bot Outperforms Nurses, Study Finds. Here’s What It Means</a>” and his 2024 book “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0CZTGPQC6/">ChatGPT, MD</a>.” Powell speaks to how NVIDIA’s innovations will complement, rather than replace, human expertise.</p>
<p>Pearl concludes the interview by predicting that generative AI will save hundreds of thousands of lives annually, make healthcare more affordable and alleviate the burnout crisis plaguing clinicians. He sees the triad of a dedicated clinician, an empowered patient and generative AI as the key to unlocking medicine’s full potential, delivering outcomes that far exceed what any one component could achieve alone.</p>
<p>This episode is a must-listen for anyone curious about how technology is reshaping medicine.</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #156: Fixing Healthcare flashback with Malcolm Gladwell</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/12/03/fhc-156-malcolm-gladwell/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2024 22:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this week’s <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a> </strong>podcast, co-hosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a> revisit one of the show’s most memorable interviews: <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/02/13/fhc-43-malcolm-gladwell/">Malcolm Gladwell’s first appearance in 2022</a></strong>.</p>
<p>Known for his sharp insights and masterful storytelling, Gladwell joined the podcast during a season focused on “breaking the rules of healthcare,” offering his perspective on what it takes to drive transformative change in medicine.</p>
<p><strong>Note:</strong> Listeners are encouraged to check out Gladwell’s fabulous new book, <strong><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Revenge-Tipping-Point-Overstories-Superspreaders/dp/0316575801/"><em>Revenge of the Tipping Point</em></a></strong><em>,</em> a re-evaluation of his groundbreaking work on social epidemics, now reframed for the modern world. It’s an excellent holiday gift for friends and family, alongside Dr. Pearl’s <strong><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0CZTGPQC6/"><em>ChatGPT, MD</em></a></strong><em>,</em> which Gladwell personally endorsed as a must-read for anyone curious about AI’s role in the future of healthcare.</p>
<p>This flashback episode highlights Gladwell’s exploration of rule breakers in healthcare, emphasizing the delicate balance between innovation and recklessness. Gladwell examines the personalities and motivations of iconoclasts, using vivid examples like Dr. Emil Freireich, the father of combination chemotherapy, and Elizabeth Holmes, the fallen biotech entrepreneur.</p>
<p>Dr. Pearl introduces this flashback by reaffirming the timeliness of Gladwell’s insights, noting that the qualities needed to break medicine’s entrenched rules are as relevant today as they were when the episode first aired. Gladwell’s stories and analysis offer inspiration and a framework for identifying the kinds of leaders who can disrupt American medicine for the better.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><em>Revenge of the Tipping Point: Overstories, Superspreaders, and the Rise of Social Engineering</em> by Malcolm Gladwell (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0CZTGPQC6/"><strong>available now</strong></a>)</li>
<li>Malcolm Gladwell’s <em>Revisionist History</em> (<strong><a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history">podcast link</a></strong>)</li>
<li><em>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</em> (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0CZTGPQC6/"><strong>available now</strong></a>)</li>
</ul>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #155: The road to AI-empowered healthcare (from &#8216;ChatGPT, MD&#8217;)</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/11/26/fhc-155-chatgpt-md-reading/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2024 23:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of the <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a></strong> podcast, co-host Dr. Robert Pearl marks the two-year anniversary of ChatGPT’s public launch with an exclusive reading from his 2024 book, “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0CZTGPQC6/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.”</p>
<p>With the holiday season approaching, listeners are encouraged to consider ChatGPT, MD as a gift for friends and family. All profits from the book go to <strong>Doctors Without Borders</strong>.</p>
<p>The book was featured recently in a list of <strong><a href="https://www.instagram.com/readswithravi/p/DBu15Weu8z9/?img_index=1">25 nonfiction works recommended by bestselling author Malcolm Gladwell</a></strong>, who wrote: “I was skeptical about the value artificial intelligence will bring to medicine, until I read ChatGPT, MD. Now I’m a believer. There is no one who writes more clearly and persuasively about the challenges and opportunities of modern medicine than Robert Pearl.”</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, Pearl reads from two pivotal chapters. Chapter 11, “The Road to AI-Empowered Healthcare,” outlines a compelling vision for Healthcare 4.0—an era where the introduction of generative AI tools like ChatGPT empower patients and doctors to enhance efficiency, reduce burnout and restore patient-centered care. In Chapter 11.5, “ChatGPT’s Critical Analysis of Chapter Eleven,” Pearl’s AI co-author critiques his predictions, emphasizing the technological, economic and societal challenges that must be overcome to realize this future.</p>
<p>Pearl’s reading reveals the book’s central argument: generative AI offers a path to better healthcare, but success hinges on systemic reform, human-AI collaboration and leaders who are willing to confront medicine’s entrenched inefficiencies. As Pearl notes, the AI revolution in healthcare is not a foregone conclusion. If Americans fail to act decisively, the promise of Healthcare 4.0 will collapse under the weight of its own unrealized potential, leaving both doctors and patients at the mercy of corporate interests.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine (<a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0CZTGPQC6/"><strong>available now</strong></a>)</li>
<li>A list of Malcolm Gladwell’s 25 book recommendations (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/readswithravi/p/DBu15Weu8z9/?img_index=1"><strong>link</strong></a>)</li>
<li>Robert Pearl’s Monthly Musings on American Healthcare newsletter (<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>link</strong></a>)</li>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>MTT #89: Trump&#8217;s second term, weight-loss drugs &#038; the rise of &#8216;walking pneumonia&#8217;</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/11/19/mtt-89-trums-second-term/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Nov 2024 21:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, co-hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr tackle a wide array of medical issues, from the potential healthcare impact of a second Trump presidency to the latest trends in obesity treatments and respiratory infections.</p>
<p>With a historical election in the rearview mirror, the hosts dive into what a second Trump term could mean for Medicare, Medicaid, the Affordable Care Act and rural health. Among the key predictions: stricter work requirements for Medicaid, potential elimination of ACA subsidies and a likely push toward healthcare block grants for states.</p>
<p>The conversation also spotlights GLP-1 drugs, hailed as breakthroughs in weight-loss treatment. Dr. Pearl explains the pros and cons of these medications compared to bariatric surgery and the shifting dynamics they’ve introduced into obesity care.</p>
<p>Here’s a snapshot of just some of the topics covered on this episode of <em>Medicine: The Truth</em>:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>The implications of Trump’s second term</strong></li>
<li><strong>GLP-1 drugs vs. bariatric surgery</strong></li>
<li><strong>Rising prevalence of walking pneumonia</strong></li>
<li><strong>Ethics of Alzheimer’s drug trials</strong></li>
<li><strong>Why sitting too long can harm you—and why standing might not be the solution</strong></li>
<li><strong>An unexpected outcome with advancements in IVF </strong></li>
<li><strong>Artificial intelligence in diagnosis</strong></li>
</ul>
<p>Join Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr as they unpack these complex healthcare issues and shed light on the path ahead for American medicine.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>“  about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #154: Handling pressure in medicine with tips for doctors, leaders</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/11/12/fhc-154-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2024 03:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this <em>Unfiltered</em> episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><strong><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></strong></a>, cardiologist and well-being advocate Dr. Jonathan Fisher joins <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">healthcare leader Dr. Robert Pearl and host Jeremy Corr</a> to explore how healthcare professionals handle stress and what can be learned from other high-stakes fields like athletics.</p>
<p>The trio delves into various aspects of pressure in medical practice, comparing it to the intensity athletes experience in major sporting events. Drawing on their own medical experiences, they discuss how clinicians can find the right balance to achieve peak performance while maintaining their mental and physical health.</p>
<p><strong>The show’s primary topics include:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Understanding pressure in healthcare.</strong> Dr. Fisher explains the concept of “good” vs. “bad” pressure, citing research that shows the impact of too much stress on cognitive function and patient care. He draws parallels to the “Yerkes-Dodson” curve, which suggests an optimal level of stress for peak performance.</li>
<li><strong>Impact of external pressures.</strong> Drs. Pearl and Fisher talk about the variety of pressures doctors face today, from financial and administrative burdens to life-and-death decisions that impact patient care. They consider how these pressures affect different medical specialties and the importance of balancing professional demands with personal well-being.</li>
<li><strong>Lessons from athletics.</strong> Dr. Fisher reflects on how athletes manage social and performance pressures, comparing it to the scrutiny doctors face in healthcare settings. He emphasizes that, like athletes, healthcare professionals need to understand and manage both internal and external expectations to prevent burnout and sustain their careers.</li>
<li><strong>Leadership and support in high-stakes environments.</strong> Dr. Pearl shares insights from his experience leading Kaiser Permanente, highlighting the role of supportive leadership in helping clinicians manage pressure effectively. The discussion also addresses the importance of team dynamics and creating a culture where medical professionals feel empowered and defended in their roles.</li>
</ul>
<p>To hear more about how to manage pressure in the workplace, listen to the full episode and check out these helpful links:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newest book)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #153: Vinod Khosla on AI, disruption &#038; the future of medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/11/06/fhc-153-vinod-khosla/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2024 20:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In the latest episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a>, hosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> welcome back <a href="https://www.khoslaventures.com/team/vinod-khosla/">Vinod Khosla</a>, legendary investor and co-founder of Sun Microsystems, to discuss the transformative impact of artificial intelligence on healthcare. As the head of Khosla Ventures and an <a href="https://www.khoslaventures.com/portfolio/openai/">early investor in OpenAI</a>, Khosla brings a unique perspective to the potential and challenges AI presents in medicine.</p>
<p>This interview is part of the show’s tenth season, which focuses on the future of technology in healthcare—the central focus of Dr. Pearl’s newest book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0CZTGPQC6/"><em>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</em></a>, with all profits going to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p>Khosla, known for his bold, often disruptive views on tech, shares a vision for AI-driven solutions that have the potential to reshape medical practice. Here are three key insights from the episode:</p>
<p><strong style="color: #333333; font-family: Raleway, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 1.0625rem;">1. AI as an amplifier of physician capabilities</strong></p>
<p>Khosla envisions a future where every physician could work with multiple “AI interns” to handle routine tasks, analyze data and assist in diagnostics. He argues that AI has the potential to vastly expand physician capacity, allowing doctors to provide more preventive and personalized care.</p>
<h4><strong>2. Continuous, AI-driven patient monitoring</strong></h4>
<p>With AI-enabled systems, Khosla sees healthcare shifting from reactive, episodic care to proactive, continuous monitoring. He believes wearable devices and AI models will enable real-time patient data analysis, catching health issues early and reducing the need for costly interventions.</p>
<h4><strong>3. The power of startups in driving healthcare innovation</strong></h4>
<p>Khosla emphasizes that true innovation often comes from entrepreneurial startups rather than established companies. He advocates for partnerships between startups and large healthcare organizations to scale transformative technologies, noting that small, agile teams can push boundaries more effectively.</p>
<p>Tune in to hear Khosla’s bold predictions for the future of medicine, along with his advice for physicians, healthcare leader, and entrepreneurs seeking to navigate the chaos of American healthcare.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #152: Tackling healthcare denial, consumerism &#038; the cost crisis</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/10/29/fhc-152-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2024 21:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In the latest episode of <em>Diving Deep</em>, hosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> explore three timely healthcare topics that are shaping the future of medicine. This episode focuses on denial in public health, the rise of patient consumerism and a potential fix for U.S. healthcare’s cost crisis.</p>
<p>The episode begins with an in-depth discussion about how denial functions as an unconscious defense mechanism that prevents patients, clinicians and health officials from acknowledging and reacting to health threats. Dr. Pearl highlights how denial not only hampered the response to COVID-19 and HIV/AIDS, but also to emerging health crises like mpox, along with chronic illnesses such as hypertension and diabetes.</p>
<p>Next, the conversation shifts to the growing trend of patient empowerment through consumerism. The hosts examine how advances in generative AI and at-home diagnostics are transforming the doctor-patient dynamic. Pearl notes that patients increasingly prefer convenience over traditional in-person visits, and with AI becoming more accurate and empathetic, the doctor’s role is evolving.</p>
<p>Finally, the hosts tackle the financial challenges plaguing the U.S. healthcare system. Pearl explains how capitation—a payment model that rewards doctors for keeping patients healthy—would flip the traditional fee-for-service model on its head. He draws on game theory principles to illustrate how trust and cooperation between payers and providers could lead to better patient outcomes and lower costs. A win-win for both sides.</p>
<p>Join the conversation as Dr. Pearl and Jeremy Corr dive deep into the most critical issues in American healthcare today.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/09/16/denial-the-hidden-link-connecting-mpox-covid-19-hivaids/"><strong>Denial: The Hidden Link Connecting Mpox, COVID-19, HIV/AIDS</strong></a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/09/30/the-consumer-revolution-in-medicine-is-finally-here-what-comes-next/"><strong>The Consumer Revolution In Medicine Is (Finally) Here. What Comes Next?</strong></a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/10/14/a-strange-way-to-fix-american-medicine-game-theory/"><strong>A Strange Way To Fix American Medicine: Game Theory</strong></a></li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Diving Deep</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>MTT #88: Abortion restrictions, PBMs and the rising cost of care</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/10/22/mtt-88/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Oct 2024 03:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In the latest episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr return with timely insights on some of the most pressing issues in healthcare today.</p>
<p>From the chilling implications of abortion restrictions on women&#8217;s health to the opaque and controversial role of pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs) in driving up drug prices, the episode covers a lot of ground.</p>
<p>The conversation kicks off with an update on COVID-19 and the flu season, emphasizing that while hospitalizations remain stable, low vaccination rates may raise concerns in the months ahead. Dr. Pearl also delves into the new abortion laws sweeping the nation, shedding light on tragic cases where legal fears prevent doctors from acting swiftly, endangering women&#8217;s lives.</p>
<p>The hosts then dive into the murky world of PBMs, where just three companies control nearly 80% of drug sales in the United States. Pearl explains how PBMs manipulate prices to favor expensive drugs while profiting off hidden rebates, all at the expense of patients and insurers. As legal battles between PBMs and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) unfold, the episode highlights the growing outrage over pharmaceutical price gouging.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a snapshot of just some topics covered in this episode of Medicine: The Truth:</p>
<ul>
<li>COVID-19 and flu season updates</li>
<li>The dangers posed to women’s health by restrictive abortion laws</li>
<li>A deep dive into the role of PBMs in the U.S. healthcare system</li>
<li>Why healthcare costs are projected to rise by 8% next year</li>
<li>The troubling future of drug pricing in America</li>
<li>Why more parents aren’t vaccinating their kids</li>
<li>A surge in at-home diagnostic testing</li>
<li>The Nobel Prize in chemistry goes to …</li>
<li>Why 98.6 isn’t the average body temperature</li>
<li>Superbugs are coming</li>
</ul>
<p>Join Dr. Pearl and Jeremy Corr as they unravel these complex healthcare challenges and offer insight into the future of medical care in America.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>“  about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #151: Six years later, Don Berwick&#8217;s vision for healthcare remains unfulfilled</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/10/15/fhc-151-berwick-replay/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Oct 2024 20:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Six years ago, <strong><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> </strong>launched as a “podcast with a plan to fix American healthcare.” After more than 150 episodes—spanning three election cycles—the show has explored countless ideas for reform. Still, American healthcare remains plagued by high costs, uneven quality and limited access.</p>
<p>One of our earliest guests left us with some of the most provocative solutions to these problems: <strong>Dr. Don Berwick</strong>, a name synonymous with medicine’s “Triple Aim.” With the November elections less than a month away, we thought listeners would find value in revisting Berwick’s groundbreaking vision for healthcare reform.</p>
<p>As Berwick explained, “We need a system of three goals: better care for people when they’re in the care system, better health for populations, and lower per capita cost through improvement, not through rationing or withholding.”</p>
<p>Supporting the Triple Aim, Berwick called for healthcare to be recognized as a human right and advocated for a shift toward global, population-based budgets—moving away from the inflationary fee-for-service model that dominates today.</p>
<p>Cohosts<strong> Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr </strong>were intrigued by the clarity and cohesiveness of Berwick’s plan.</p>
<p>“We have a highly fragmented system in which people are trying to solve problems separately,” Berwick said. “That is just not going to work … we’re going to have to fix healthcare together.”</p>
<p>Berwick is clinical professor of pediatrics at the Harvard Medical School and professor of health policy and management at the Harvard School of Public Health. He is the former head of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid (CMS), the co-founder of the <a href="https://www.ihi.org/"><strong>Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI)</strong></a> and leader of the organization’s <a href="https://www.ihi.org/Engage/Initiatives/Completed/5MillionLivesCampaign/Documents/Overview%20of%20the%20100K%20Campaign.pdf"><strong>100,000 Lives Campaign</strong></a>.</p>
<p>Helpful links:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/07/04/welcome-to-fixing-healthcare/"><strong>Season 1 explainer: ‘Welcome to the toughest interview in healthcare’ </strong></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/12/09/episode-5-don-berwick/"><strong>Episode 5 recap: ‘Don Berwick brings a global perspective to fixing US healthcare’ </strong></a></p>
<p><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/FHC_Episode_5_Berwick_Transcript.pdf"><strong>The full transcript of this episode with Don Berwick</strong></a></p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.ihi.org/education/IHIOpenSchool/resources/Pages/ProfilesInLeadershipDonBerwick.aspx">Don Berwick: Profiles in leadership</a></strong></p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #150: Restoring meaning in medicine—burnout and the physician career arc</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/10/08/fhc-150-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2024 20:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this <em>Unfiltered</em> episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, cardiologist and physician well-being advocate Dr. Jonathan Fisher joins healthcare leader Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr, CEO of Executive Podcast Solutions, for a candid discussion about the evolving role of physicians in modern medicine.</p>
<p>The trio explores how systemic challenges—such as burnout, the loss of physician autonomy and the growing influence of private equity—are reshaping the trajectory of medical careers.</p>
<p><strong>Today’s topics include:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>The burnout epidemic. Dr. Fisher reflects on how increasing administrative burdens, declining autonomy and career dissatisfaction have led many physicians to leave the field or seek non-clinical roles. He emphasizes the need for healthcare organizations to support doctors across different career stages, from early-career residents to seasoned clinicians.</li>
<li>Restoring meaning and fulfillment. Drs. Pearl and Fisher discuss the importance of restoring meaning to physicians’ work by offering leadership opportunities and emphasizing the creative, humanistic aspects of medicine. They argue that physicians need more than just financial incentives. They also need a sense of purpose and the ability to make meaningful changes in patient care.</li>
<li>The role of leadership in medicine. Drawing from his experience as CEO at Kaiser Permanente for 18 years, Dr. Pearl highlights how leadership training can empower doctors to take control of their practice environments, improve health outcomes and reduce medical errors.</li>
<li>Balancing career and personal life. Both Fisher and Pearl emphasize the difficulty of balancing the demands of a medical career with personal fulfillment. They call for a broader cultural shift in healthcare, one that allows doctors to find meaning not just in their work, but in their lives outside the clinic as well.</li>
</ul>
<p>To hear more about how these experts believe we can bring meaning back to medicine, listen to the full episode and check out these helpful links:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>New book: ‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>New book: ‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl)</p>
<p><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #149: Tech needs to get out of the way of healthcare, says Feinberg</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/10/01/fhc-149-david-feinberg/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2024 22:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In the second episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a>’s 10th season, cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> welcome back <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-feinberg-md/">Dr. David Feinberg</a>, chairman of Oracle Health, for a discussion centered on the future of technology in medicine.</p>
<p>Given the season’s focus on transformative technologies in medicine, Dr. Feinberg brings a wealth of experience as the former CEO of Cerner, VP of Google Health, and CEO of Geisinger Health.</p>
<p>As Dr. Pearl has highlighted throughout the season, technology—including artificial intelligence—is becoming a pivotal force in healthcare. His own book on the subject, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0CZTGPQC6/"><em>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</em></a>, explores this theme in great detail, and it debuted on the list of Amazon’s Top New Releases. All profits from Pearl&#8217;s book benefit Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p>During the interview, Dr. Feinberg shares his thoughts on the three most important technological developments in healthcare over the next five to 10 years:</p>
<p><strong>1. Technology stepping aside: </strong>Dr. Feinberg says one of the most critical advances in healthcare will involve technology getting “out of the way” of the doctor-patient relationship. He notes that while innovations have advanced healthcare, they often interfere with the time and connection between clinicians and their patients. Feinberg envisions a future where technology is present but not disruptive, allowing physicians to focus on their patients rather than on navigating electronic systems.</p>
<p><strong>2. AI’s role in anticipatory medicine: </strong>Like many healthcare leaders, Feinberg identifies artificial intelligence as a major player in the future of healthcare. However, he offers a unique perspective by discussing AI’s potential beyond current applications like diagnostics and documentation. He predicts that AI will develop anticipatory abilities, allowing clinicians to foresee medical issues and prevent serious health problems. This could allow doctors to say to patients, “If we don’t get this [health issues] in order, the computer is telling us you won’t make it to your grandchild’s college graduation,” helping patients take critical action before it’s too late.</p>
<p><strong>3. The power of the cloud:</strong> Here, Feinberg highlights the immense potential of cloud technology. He explains how the cloud can significantly enhance healthcare, particularly in terms of cybersecurity and data management. By leveraging cloud systems, hospitals can not only protect sensitive patient data but also streamline operations, enabling more effective analysis and use of healthcare information across platforms.</p>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #148: End-of-life lessons and combatting health disparities</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/09/24/fhc-148-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2024 19:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this month’s <em>Diving Deep</em> episode, part of the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast series, <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> dive into two vital topics in healthcare: lessons learned from experts on end-of-life care and innovative solutions to address chronic disease in underserved communities.</p>
<p>The episode begins with an exploration of end-of-life care, revisiting Season 9 of the podcast series, which focused exclusively on this emotionally charged topic. Dr. Pearl reflects on his conversations with guests like Dr. Atul Gawande, author of <em>Being Mortal</em>, and the powerful lesson that “people have goals besides living longer.” The hosts discuss how clinicians need to respect patient autonomy, particularly when the choices revolve around what makes life worth living versus prolonging survival at all costs.</p>
<p>Next, the conversation shifts to the topic of chronic disease management in underserved communities. Dr. Pearl references his recent <em>Forbes</em> article, which outlines how social determinants of health (SDOH) contribute to health inequities in the U.S. He introduces a practical solution: GenAI-driven health hubs, designed to combat chronic disease in low-income areas.</p>
<p>The hosts discuss the implementation of these hubs, explaining how they could provide affordable, targeted and technologically advanced support to individuals in areas where healthcare resources are limited. By leveraging generative AI tools, the hubs would help manage chronic diseases, reduce the burden on overworked doctors and prevent life-threatening complications. With a small investment, Dr. Pearl argues, these hubs could yield significant cost savings by preventing just one major health event, such as a heart attack or stroke.</p>
<p>Click play to hear these insights and more, and explore how healthcare leaders can improve care for patients at all stages of life.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/08/12/9-powerful-lessons-on-life-you-can-learn-from-experts-on-death/">9 Powerful Lessons On Life You Can Learn From Experts On Death</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/08/26/genai-driven-health-hubs-can-combat-chronic-disease-in-underserved-areas/">GenAI-Driven Health Hubs Can Combat Chronic Disease In Underserved Areas</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>MTT #87: COVID-19 resurgence, soaring healthcare costs and the push for patient empowerment</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/09/17/mtt-87-covid-19-resurgence/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In today&#8217;s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a>, hosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>dive into timely and significant medical topics, focusing on the resurgence of COVID-19, rising healthcare costs and a growing shift toward patient empowerment through at-home testing solutions.</p>
<p>The episode kicks off with an update on the recent summertime surge of COVID-19, particularly in the Western and Southern parts of the country. Despite rising case numbers, researchers have noted that hospitalizations and deaths remain stable. The hosts discuss the release of new COVID-19 boosters, which are tailored to emerging variants. This comes at a time when skepticism about vaccinations persists, still fueled by misinformation and politics.</p>
<p>Shifting gears, the conversation moves to healthcare costs, particularly the burden on small businesses. Rising inflation and the increased use of costly GLP-1 (weight loss) medications are driving up medical costs, with premiums projected to rise sharply in the coming year.</p>
<p>Here’s a snapshot of the topics covered on this episode of <em>Medicine: The Truth</em>:</p>
<ul>
<li>COVID-19 resurgence</li>
<li>Rising healthcare costs</li>
<li>Long COVID updates</li>
<li>Climate change and public health</li>
<li>Mpox (formerly monkeypox)</li>
<li>Medicare drug price negotiations</li>
<li>At-home testing revolution</li>
<li>Uterine transplants and advances in reproductive medicine</li>
</ul>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts touch on the transformative potential of generative AI and other technological advances, arguing that patient empowerment and consumerism will continue to shape the future of healthcare.</p>
<p>Join the conversation as Dr. Pearl and Jeremy Corr tackle the latest medical news and discuss the implications of these trends for the future of healthcare.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>“  about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #147: Game theory and healthcare—the complex relationship between doctors, payers and patients</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/09/10/fhc-147-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2024 01:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This <em>Unfiltered</em> episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> features Dr. Jonathan Fisher, a respected cardiologist and advocate for physician well-being, and Dr. Robert Pearl, healthcare leader and author of <em>ChatGPT, MD</em>. Jeremy Corr, CEO of Executive Podcast Solutions, adds the patient’s perspective, as always.</p>
<p>In this episode, the trio takes a deep dive into the intriguing applications of Game Theory in healthcare. Dr. Pearl introduces Game Theory—a concept that analyzes how individuals or groups make decisions in competitive situations—drawing from its use in business to better understand interactions between physicians, insurers and healthcare organizations.</p>
<p><strong>Today’s topics include:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Game theory and healthcare economics</strong>: Dr. Pearl explains how Game Theory can help reframe the often adversarial relationships between doctors and insurers, exploring ways to move from lose-lose situations to more collaborative, win-win outcomes.</li>
<li><strong>The role of autonomy</strong>: Dr. Fisher explores the inherent conflict between physician autonomy and collective decision-making, noting how the fragmented nature of healthcare impacts both patient outcomes and physician satisfaction.</li>
<li><strong>Collaboration vs. competition</strong>: The group discusses the need for healthcare professionals to shift from tribalism and competition within and between specialties to a more cooperative approach that benefits patients.</li>
<li><strong>The prisoner’s dilemma</strong>: Dr. Pearl introduces this classic Game Theory scenario to illustrate the difficult choices doctors face when limited healthcare resources force tough decisions about patient care.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>To discover more, press play and check out these helpful links: </strong></p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>New book: ‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0CZTGPQC6/"><strong>New book: ‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl)</p>
<p><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #146: Dr. Eric Topol on how AI is changing healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/09/03/fhc-146-eric-topol/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2024 20:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In the first episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a>’s 10th season, cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> speak with <a href="https://www.scripps.edu/faculty/topol/">Dr. Eric Topol</a>, a healthcare visionary and global technology leader.</p>
<p>This season focuses on the future of technology in healthcare, a topic close to Dr. Pearl’s heart. His newest book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0CZTGPQC6/"><em>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</em></a>, debuted as an Amazon top new release. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p>Dr. Topol is a renowned cardiologist and founder of the Scripps Research Translational Institute. He has been a pioneer in predicting how technology will shape the future of medicine. His bestselling book, <em>Deep Medicine: How Artificial Intelligence Can Make Healthcare Human Again</em>, explores the transformative power of AI in healthcare. During the interview, Dr. Topol highlights three ways technology will break the traditional rules of medicine:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Precision Preventive Care</strong>: Dr. Topol emphasizes that AI will revolutionize preventive care by moving beyond the outdated practice of relying solely on age and sex to determine who needs screening. Instead, generative AI will analyze vast datasets, including polygenic risk scores, biomarkers and proteomic data, to identify individuals at the highest risk of developing life-threatening diseases like cancer or heart disease. This proactive approach will allow for targeted prevention, significantly improving outcomes.</li>
<li><strong>Reducing Misdiagnoses</strong>: The conversation turns to the persistent issue of diagnostic errors, a leading cause of preventable harm in healthcare. Dr. Topol discusses how AI can alleviate this problem by giving clinicians more time to think critically, providing deep analysis of patient data and interpreting medical images with unparalleled accuracy. This would dramatically reduce the current rate of misdiagnoses, which remains a significant life ending failure in healthcare.</li>
<li><strong>Transforming Clinical Documentation</strong>: Dr. Topol also explores how generative AI is already freeing from the burden of administrative tasks, particularly documentation. By automating the creation of high-quality electronic health records from conversations between doctors and patients, AI will allow clinicians to focus more on patient care, improving both efficiency and the patient experience.</li>
</ul>
<p>Throughout the episode, Drs. Topol and Pearl discuss the broader implications of these technologies, including the potential to revolutionize medical research, the challenges of data security and the cultural shift required in healthcare to fully embrace these innovations.</p>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #145: The boring secrets to longevity with Brad Stulberg</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/08/27/fhc-145-brad-stulberg/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2024 20:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In the final episode of season nine, <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a> cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> sit down with <a href="https://www.bradstulberg.com/">Brad Stulberg</a>, a renowned author and public health expert, to discuss the keys to living (and eventually dying) well. The interview concludes a season-long focus on ways to improve end-of-life care in the United States.</p>
<p>The hosts start with Stulberg’s recent New York Times recent op-ed, “<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/11/opinion/longevity-live-longer.html">The Key to Longevity Is Boring</a>.” Stulberg, known for his work on human performance and well-being, emphasizes the power of simple, evidence-based habits for achieving a long and healthy life.</p>
<p>The conversation covers the importance of regular exercise, a nutritious diet, avoiding smoking, limiting alcohol consumption, and nurturing meaningful relationships. While these practices might seem mundane compared to the latest health fads and biohacks, Stulberg argues that they are the true keys to a life well lived.</p>
<p>He highlights research demonstrating that people who consistently follow these five principles live seven years longer on average, with six of those years spent in good health.</p>
<p>Key topics explored in this episode include:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>The myth of biohacking:</strong> Stulberg critiques the growing trend of biohacking, emphasizing that many popular supplements and extreme health practices are not supported by science and can detract from the joy of living.</li>
<li><strong>Exercise as a movement practice: </strong>Stulberg encourages a shift from viewing exercise as a chore to seeing it as a sustainable movement practice, whether it’s through sports, walking or other enjoyable activities.</li>
<li><strong>Nutrition without obsession:</strong> The discussion moves to the challenges of maintaining a nutritious diet amidst a culture obsessed with quick fixes and fad diets. Stulberg advises focusing on whole foods and avoiding ultra-processed products.</li>
<li><strong>Social connections: </strong>The episode delves into the vital role that relationships play in both mental and physical health, drawing on findings from the <a href="https://www.adultdevelopmentstudy.org/"><em>Harvard Study of Adult Development</em></a>, which identified strong social connections as the most important factor for a long and healthy life.</li>
<li><strong>Debunking health anxiety:</strong> Stulberg touches on the rise of health anxiety fueled by the wellness industry and social media, urging listeners to focus on the basics rather than getting caught up in the latest trends.</li>
</ul>
<p>Throughout the episode, Stulberg’s insights remind us that the path to longevity doesn’t require radical change or cutting-edge science. Instead, it’s about mastering the fundamentals—habits that are accessible to everyone.</p>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the upcoming book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgpt-md/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/08/27/fhc-145-brad-stulberg/">FHC #145: The boring secrets to longevity with Brad Stulberg</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #144: Medical education reform and Medicare&#8217;s payment crisis</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/08/20/fhc-144-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2024 00:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this month’s <em>Diving Deep</em> episode, part of the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast series, <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a></strong> tackle two crucial issues in American healthcare: the need for radical reform in medical education and the growing crisis surrounding Medicare’s payment model.</p>
<p>The episode opens with a critical examination of medical education in the United States. Dr. Pearl discusses how current medical training is rooted in outdated practices that fail to prepare future doctors for the challenges of modern medicine. He emphasizes the need for integrating generative AI into medical school curricula—not just as an add-on but as a core component—in order to improve chronic disease management, diagnostic accuracy and clinical research.</p>
<p>Next up in the episode, the hosts turn their attention to Medicare’s payment model, comparing it to the “cobra effect” where well-intentioned policies inadvertently worsen the problem they aim to solve. Dr. Pearl outlines the flaws in the current system, particularly how today’s fee-for-service model incentivizes volume over value, driving up healthcare costs while compromising patient care. He calls for a shift to a capitated payment model that rewards quality care and preventive medicine.</p>
<p>Click play to learn more or check out the various links below for additional information.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/07/15/medical-education-needs-radical-reform-ai-alone-isnt-the-answer/">Medical Education Needs Radical Reform: AI, Alone, Isn’t The Answer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/07/29/how-medicare-pays-physicians-is-stupid-congress-must-change-it/">Why Congress Should Change How Medicare Pays Physicians</a></li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/08/20/fhc-144-diving-deep/">FHC #144: Medical education reform and Medicare&#8217;s payment crisis</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #86: New hope for Alzheimer&#8217;s, colon cancer and mental health</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/08/13/mtt-86-alzheimers/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2024 21:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In today&#8217;s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a> (MTT), hosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>explore the latest developments in Alzheimer&#8217;s disease, colon cancer detection, COVID-19&#8217;s resurgence and other significant news.</p>
<p>The episode begins with a discussion on the surge of new COVID-19 cases, particularly in the western and southern U.S., where wastewater surveillance data indicates high virus levels. The hosts emphasize the importance of continued vaccination, especially with new variants emerging.</p>
<p>The conversation then shifts to advancements in cancer detection, highlighting a new blood test for colon cancer that shows promise in identifying early-stage cancers but falls short in detecting precancerous growths. This test, though not yet a replacement for colonoscopy or the fecal Immunochemical test (FIT), could encourage more people to undergo further screening when necessary.</p>
<p>In Alzheimer&#8217;s research, a new blood test offers a less invasive alternative as a first step in diagnosing the disease. While it represents a significant advance, the test is not yet a gamechanger due to the lack of effective treatments for Alzheimer&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Other topics covered in this episode include:</p>
<ul>
<li>COVID-19 updates and the impact of vaccination on long COVID</li>
<li>Advances in genetic research for rare diseases like progeria</li>
<li>The rise of new weight-loss medications and market competition</li>
<li>The continued influence of pharmaceutical payments to physicians</li>
<li>The potential of drones in cardiac arrest response</li>
<li>Climate change&#8217;s impact on children&#8217;s health and education</li>
<li>Increasing cancer rates among Gen X and millennials</li>
<li>The rise of sexually transmitted diseases in older adults</li>
<li>Mental health challenges and access to care</li>
<li>Insights into the potential impact of the upcoming presidential election on healthcare policy</li>
</ul>
<p>Join us for this insightful episode as we delve into these critical healthcare issues and explore the future of medicine.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>“  about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/08/13/mtt-86-alzheimers/">MTT #86: New hope for Alzheimer&#8217;s, colon cancer and mental health</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC#143: Navigating life’s final chapter with Atul Gawande</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/08/06/atul-gawande/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2024 00:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><em>Fixing Healthcare </em>welcomes <strong><a href="https://atulgawande.com/">Dr. Atul Gawande</a></strong>, a renowned surgeon, writer and public health researcher who currently serves as the Assistant Administrator for Global Health at USAID.</p>
<p>He has a rich background as both a medical professional and a compassionate individual. Ten years ago, Dr. Gawande published the bestselling book “Being Mortal: Medicine and What Matters in the End,” which explored the intersection of medicine, aging, and the end-of-life journey. His father’s battle with a spinal tumor profoundly influenced the book, serving as a catalyst for Gawande to confront the limitations of medical interventions and the importance of addressing patients’ individual goals and fears as they approach the end of their lives.</p>
<p>This episode explores:</p>
<ul>
<li>Gawande’s personal story as he reflects on his father’s battle with a spinal tumor, highlighting the complexities and emotional challenges of dealing with serious health issues within a family.</li>
<li>His father’s journey from being a vibrant individual and a dedicated surgeon to facing the limitations imposed by his illness provides; a profound context for the discussion on end-of-life care.</li>
<li>Difficult decisions that families and patients face when confronted with terminal illnesses, along with the nuances of choosing between aggressive treatments and palliative care.</li>
<li>Approaches to end-of-life care that respect the patient’s wishes and focus on enhancing the quality of life rather than merely extending it.</li>
<li>The significance of having open and honest conversations about end-of-life preferences and the limitations of medical interventions.</li>
</ul>
<p>This episode is part of the ninth season of <strong>Fixing Healthcare</strong> with cohosts <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a></strong>.</p>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/08/06/atul-gawande/">FHC#143: Navigating life’s final chapter with Atul Gawande</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #142: The role of luck in medicine and life</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/07/30/fhc-142-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jul 2024 00:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This “Unfiltered” episode of Fixing Healthcare features Dr. Jonathan Fisher, a respected cardiologist and advocate for physician well-being; Dr. Robert Pearl, healthcare leader and author of the new book “ChatGPT, MD”; and Jeremy Corr, CEO of Executive Podcast Solutions, who adds the patient’s perspective.</p>
<p>On the show today, the trio delves into the intriguing concept of luck and its impact on medicine and life, exploring how perceptions of luck influence happiness, health outcomes and success.</p>
<p><strong>Today’s topics include:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Luck vs. serendipity: The distinction between luck and serendipity and the importance of recognizing and seizing opportunities.</li>
<li>Optimism and mindset: The significance of optimism and a growth mindset, with references to Carol Dweck’s and Martin Seligman’s research.</li>
<li>Privilege and social inequities: The role of privilege in perceived luck and how systemic factors contribute to opportunities and outcomes.</li>
<li>Autonomy in medicine: The balance between autonomy and standardization in healthcare, and the conflict between individual clinician intuition and best practices.</li>
<li>Community and accountability: The tension between personal autonomy and community responsibility, particularly in healthcare behaviors that impact public health and finances.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>To discover more, press play and check out these helpful links: </strong></p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>New book: ‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0D755NHXJ/"><strong>New book: ‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl)</p>
<p><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/07/30/fhc-142-unfiltered/">FHC #142: The role of luck in medicine and life</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #141: Reflections on life after loss with Lucy Kalanithi</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/07/23/fhc-141-lucy-kalanithi/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2024 03:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this poignant episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/">Fixing Healthcare</a>, cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> engage in a deep and heartfelt conversation with <a href="https://lucykalanithi.com/">Lucy Kalanithi, MD</a>.</p>
<p>Dr. Kalanithi, a clinical assistant professor of medicine at Stanford University, reflects on the enduring impact of her late husband Paul Kalanithi’s memoir, <em><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/258507/when-breath-becomes-air-by-paul-kalanithi/9780812988406/">When Breath Becomes Air</a></em>, and her experiences navigating life, loss and love.</p>
<p>Dr. Pearl begins by acknowledging the profound influence of the memoir and commends Kalanithi for her beautifully written epilogue. The discussion delves into various aspects of her journey, highlighting the personal and philosophical reflections that have shaped her understanding of life and death.</p>
<p>This episode explores:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>Paul’s legacy.</strong> Kalanithi shares insights into Paul’s life as a neurosurgeon and writer, his philosophical interests, and how his terminal diagnosis profoundly influenced their lives and his writing.</li>
<li><strong>The decision to have a child. </strong>The episode explores the couple’s choice to have a child despite Paul’s terminal illness and the impact it has had on Kalanithi and their daughter, Cady.</li>
<li><strong>Coping with loss. </strong>Kalanithi discusses the challenges of facing Paul’s death, the physical and emotional toll it took, and how she found ways to process her grief.</li>
<li><strong>Legacy and memory.</strong> Paul’s memoir has helped keep his memory alive for friends, family and, most importantly, for Lucy and Cady. Kalanithi explains the importance of maintaining connections with the deceased while moving forward in life.</li>
<li><strong>Finding new love. </strong>Finally, she explains the complexities and nuances of falling in love again after such a significant loss, and how it does not diminish the love and memory of the deceased.</li>
</ul>
<p>Throughout the episode, Kalanithi offers valuable advice for those navigating similar experiences, emphasizing the importance of palliative care, finding support, and allowing oneself to grieve fully. Her reflections on balancing the pain of loss with the beauty of new beginnings provide a deeply human perspective on end-of-life issues.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the upcoming book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgpt-md/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/07/23/fhc-141-lucy-kalanithi/">FHC #141: Reflections on life after loss with Lucy Kalanithi</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #140: Diving deep into GLP-1 drug prices and ChatGPT&#8217;s newest update</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/07/16/fhc-140-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 01:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This month’s “Diving Deep” episode, part of the Fixing Healthcare podcast series, takes a close look at two critical topics in the realm of healthcare: OpenAI’s newest update, GPT-4o, and the exorbitant pricing of GLP-1 drugs like Wegovy and Ozempic.</p>
<p>Cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> explore the profound implications that these advancements and challenges hold for the future of medicine.</p>
<p>The episode begins with an in-depth discussion on OpenAI’s GPT-4o update. Dr. Pearl and Corr analyze how this generative AI tool, which now features human-like interactions, can revolutionize healthcare by enhancing diagnostic accuracy, treatment recommendations and patient monitoring.</p>
<p>Next, the conversation shifts to the high costs of GLP-1 drugs such as Wegovy and Ozempic. Dr. Pearl sheds light on why these effective weight-loss medications remain out of reach for many Americans. The discussion includes a critical look at the disparity in global pricing and the urgent need for legislative action to make these life-saving drugs more affordable.</p>
<p>Click play to learn more or check out the various links below for additional information.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/06/03/openais-rule-shattering-gpt-4o-update-will-be-lifesaving-too/">OpenAI’s Rule-Shattering GPT-4o Update Will Be Lifesaving, Too</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/06/24/weight-loss-drugmakers-are-overcharging-by-400-heres-a-quick-solution/">Wegovy And Ozempic Are Overpriced By 400-500% — Here’s A Quick Solution</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/07/16/fhc-140-diving-deep/">FHC #140: Diving deep into GLP-1 drug prices and ChatGPT&#8217;s newest update</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #85: Skyrocketing healthcare costs and new insights into long COVID</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/07/09/mtt-85-healthcare-costs/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2024 21:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a> covers the latest news and most pressing issues in medicine today.</p>
<p>In this episode, hosts <strong>Jeremy Cor</strong>r and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> discuss the latest updates in healthcare costs, COVID-19, the spread of bird flu, and several other critical medical issues.</p>
<p>Starting with skyrocketing healthcare costs, new figures show that U.S. spending on medical care has surged to $4.8 trillion, with projections indicating a rise to $7.7 trillion by 2032. This increase threatens to outpace both general inflation and wages, affecting employer-based coverage, Medicare and Medicaid.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, COVID-19 cases are rising again, particularly in the western and southern U.S., as people gather indoors during hot weather. However, the current variants are not more dangerous than previous ones, keeping hospitalizations and deaths low. Today’s show also takes a look at a new report about the challenges and uncertainties of long COVID, which affects millions of adults and children.</p>
<p>The spread of H5 bird flu to cattle has raised alarms, with recent human cases in Michigan and Colorado. The CDC&#8217;s monitoring and potential vaccine development efforts are crucial to prevent a broader outbreak. With the failures of COVID-19 serving as backdrop, are health experts responding appropriately to this threat?</p>
<p>Join us to explore these critical issues and more. Here’s a snapshot of all the topics covered on this episode of <em>Medicine: The Truth</em>.</p>
<ul>
<li>Rising healthcare costs</li>
<li>Bird flu concerns</li>
<li>Supreme Court decision on abortion medication</li>
<li>Duchenne’s muscular dystrophy drug</li>
<li>Mortality rates post-pandemic</li>
<li>Psychedelic therapy for PTSD</li>
<li>New Alzheimer’s drug</li>
<li>Social media’s impact on mental health</li>
<li>STI rates and new CDC guidelines</li>
<li>Unexpected outcomes of abortion restrictions</li>
<li>Gender affirming treatment legislation</li>
<li>Weight loss medications</li>
<li>Economic impact of healthcare prices</li>
<li>Long COVID insights</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>“ about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/07/09/mtt-85-healthcare-costs/">MTT #85: Skyrocketing healthcare costs and new insights into long COVID</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #139: The hidden costs of rising healthcare prices with Zack Cooper</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/07/02/fhc-139-zack-cooper/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jul 2024 03:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this special episode of “Diving Deep,&#8221; part of the Fixing Healthcare podcast series, cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a> dive deep into the economic and societal implications of rising healthcare costs with Zack Cooper.</p>
<p>Cooper, an associate professor of public health and economics at Yale, serves as director of health policy at Yale&#8217;s Institution for Social and Policy Studies. He is a health economist whose data-driven insights have helped reshape public policy.</p>
<p>On today&#8217;s show, Cooper explains how employer-sponsored health insurance, which covers most Americans under 65, is anything but free. As healthcare prices rise, the costs are passed down to workers through increased premiums and, more insidiously, through job losses. Cooper&#8217;s research highlights that when healthcare prices increase, employers often respond by reducing their workforce to manage the higher insurance premiums, disproportionately affecting workers earning between $20,000 and $100,000 a year.</p>
<p>Cooper also discusses the broader impact of rising healthcare costs on communities. These costs contribute to decreased tax revenue and increased government spending on unemployment benefits and subsidies, leading to a negative cycle of economic decline in affected areas. The psychological toll of job losses, including increases in suicides and opioid overdoses, underscores the far-reaching consequences of healthcare inefficiencies.</p>
<p>Click play to learn more or check out the various links below for additional information.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://onepercentsteps.com/">1% Steps for Health Care Reform Project</a> (website)</li>
<li><a href="https://freakonomics.com/podcast/how-to-fix-the-hot-mess-of-u-s-healthcare-ep-456/">How to Fix the Hot Mess of U.S. Healthcare</a> (Freakanomics)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/07/02/fhc-139-zack-cooper/">FHC #139: The hidden costs of rising healthcare prices with Zack Cooper</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #138: Examining unhealthy relationships with parents, celebs &#038; AI  </title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/06/25/fhc-138-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2024 03:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This “Unfiltered” episode of Fixing Healthcare features <strong>Dr. Jonathan Fisher</strong>, a respected cardiologist and advocate for physician well-being; <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong>, healthcare leader and author of the new book “ChatGPT, MD”; and <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong>, CEO of Executive Podcast Solution, who adds the patient’s perspective.</p>
<p>The trio explores the evolving roles of parents in modern families and their profound impact on health. Dr. Fisher shares insights on how traditional and contemporary parenting roles affect cardiovascular health and emotional well-being. Dr. Pearl delves into the long-term effects of secure and insecure attachments formed in childhood, while Jeremy Corr brings a relatable perspective from the patient’s viewpoint.</p>
<p>Topics include:</p>
<ul>
<li>The significance of secure attachment in preventing chronic stress and heart disease</li>
<li>The challenges faced by single parents and the importance of a supportive community</li>
<li>How celebrities and influencers affect our emotions and health through parasocial relationships</li>
<li>The impact of digital devices on parenting and children’s mental health</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>To discover more, press play and check out these helpful links: </strong></p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Just-One-Heart-Cardiologists-Happiness/dp/1636760007/"><strong>New book: ‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0CZTGPQC6/"><strong>New book: ‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl)</p>
<p><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/06/25/fhc-138-unfiltered/">FHC #138: Examining unhealthy relationships with parents, celebs &#038; AI  </a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #137: How generative AI could have saved my father</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/06/19/fhc-137-generative-ai-my-father/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this special episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a>, co-hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr dive into surprising insights and lessons drawn from Dr. Pearl’s literary works. Focusing on his 2017 book “Mistreated: Why We Think We&#8217;re Getting Good Healthcare—and Why We&#8217;re Usually Wrong,” and his new release, “ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine,” Pearl compares the world healthcare, now and then.</p>
<p>The episode opens with Corr asking Pearl about the motivation behind his newest book and how it connects to his previous works. Dr. Pearl recounts his journey, starting with the revelations from his time as CEO of Kaiser Permanente, where he realized the systemic flaws in American healthcare. His first book, “Mistreated,” was written to highlight these issues, comparing healthcare to a 19th century cottage industry that was stuck in the past.</p>
<p>Despite the optimism following the publication “Mistreated,” Dr. Pearl observed that little had changed in the following years. This led him to explore the deep-seated cultural issues in medicine in his second book, “Uncaring: How the Culture of Medicine Kills Doctors and Patients.” Yet again, change remained elusive.</p>
<p>Pearl’s newest book, “ChatGPT, MD” emerged from the realization that a powerful tool like generative AI could finally catalyze the much-needed transformation in healthcare. This book, co-authored with ChatGPT itself, delves into the potential of AI to enhance diagnoses, manage chronic diseases and streamline patient care, making healthcare more efficient and equitable.</p>
<p>To illustrate the ongoing challenges and the potential impact of AI, Dr. Pearl reads excerpts from the first and last chapters of “Mistreated,” recounting the harrowing story of his father, Jack Pearl. Through this personal narrative, he highlights the tragic consequences of medical errors and systemic failures that led to his father’s untimely death.</p>
<p>Dr. Pearl then discusses three significant ways his father’s care could have been improved with the advent of generative AI. And he expresses optimism that the introduction of generative AI into healthcare can finally drive the changes he has long advocated for, making the system more effective, compassionate and patient-centered.</p>
<p>Tune in to this compelling episode to hear Dr. Pearl’s reflections and visions for the future of healthcare, and join the conversation on social media.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0CZTGPQC6/">Buy “ChatGPT, MD” with all profits going to Doctors Without Borders</a> (Amazon)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/books/">Learn more about “Mistreated” and “Uncaring”</a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (monthly digital newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the upcoming book “<strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/06/19/fhc-137-generative-ai-my-father/">FHC #137: How generative AI could have saved my father</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #136: Love and sexuality at the end of life with Dr. Pebble Kranz</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/06/11/fhc-136-sexuality-at-the-end-of-life/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2024 02:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This episode of <em><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/">Fixing Healthcare</a></em> continues the ninth season’s focus on end-of-life issues by exploring the often overlooked topics of love and sexuality during this critical time.</p>
<p>Cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> welcome <strong><a href="https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/people/112359836-pebble-m-kranz">Dr. Pebble Kranz</a></strong>, a sexual medicine specialist and medical director at the Rochester Center for Sexual Wellness.</p>
<p>In a recent <em>Medscape</em> column titled “<a href="https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/998622?&amp;icd=login_success_email_match_fpf">Physicians: Don’t Ignore Sexuality in Your Dying Patients</a>,” Dr. Kranz wrote: “I have a long history of being interested in conversations that others avoid. In medical school, I felt that we didn&#8217;t talk enough about death, so I organized a lecture series on end-of-life care for my fellow students. Now, as a sexual medicine specialist, I have other conversations from which many medical providers shy away.”</p>
<p>She brings a unique perspective to the podcast, highlighting the importance of addressing sexual concerns for patients nearing the end of their lives. She discusses the need for healthcare providers to have open, honest conversations about sexuality, noting that patients often want to discuss these issues, but clinicians are frequently uncomfortable or unprepared to do so.</p>
<p>Throughout the interview, Dr. Kranz emphasizes that sexuality is a vital part of human identity and well-being, extending from young adulthood through old age, and even in illness. She shares insights from her work, including the story of a 75-year-old patient with cancer who sought to maintain her sexual health despite her illness.</p>
<p>The episode addresses several key points:</p>
<ul>
<li>The cultural and medical taboos surrounding discussions of sexuality, especially for patients at the end of life.</li>
<li>The importance of medical education in preparing clinicians to handle sexual health concerns.</li>
<li>Strategies for expanding the concept of sexual play and intimacy to accommodate the changing needs and capabilities of patients.</li>
<li>The role of healthcare providers in facilitating conversations about sexual health and providing appropriate treatments.</li>
</ul>
<p>Dr. Kranz also touches on the emotional and existential dimensions of sexuality, explaining how physical intimacy can help patients feel more connected to themselves and others, even as they face terminal illness. She advocates for more privacy and support in hospital settings to allow patients to express their sexuality and maintain close relationships.</p>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the upcoming book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgpt-md/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/06/11/fhc-136-sexuality-at-the-end-of-life/">FHC #136: Love and sexuality at the end of life with Dr. Pebble Kranz</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #135: Diving Deep into AI-medical malpractice &#038; FTC&#8217;s non-compete ban</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/06/04/fhc-135-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2024 01:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This month’s “Diving Deep” episode, part of the Fixing Healthcare podcast series, delves into a pair of stories that will have a significant impact on the U.S. healthcare workforce. Cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a> explore the intricate legalities surrounding medical malpractice in the age of AI, as well as the Federal Trade Commission’s (FTC) recent rule to ban non-compete clauses.</p>
<p>The episode begins with an in-depth look at a new set of liability issues in medicine: What happens when AI harms a patient? Dr. Pearl discusses how concerns among clinicians are shifting—from AI reliability to liability. Highlighting insights from Michelle Mello, a professor of law and health policy at Stanford University, the segment addresses the complexities of determining liability when AI tools are involved in patient care. Dr. Pearl outlines key considerations for healthcare professionals, emphasizing the importance of understanding AI&#8217;s limitations, negotiating terms of use with AI developers, and staying informed about the legal landscape.</p>
<p>Next, the conversation transitions to the FTC’s groundbreaking decision to ban non-compete agreements. This ruling, set to take effect in September, is anticipated to have a profound impact on the medical profession by boosting career mobility, increasing competition and potentially reducing healthcare costs. Dr. Pearl and Jeremy Corr discuss the winners and losers of this new regulation, focusing on how the ban will benefit newly trained clinicians and patients in competitive healthcare markets while posing challenges for large health systems and hospital administrators.</p>
<p>Click play to learn more or check out the various links below for additional information.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/05/06/if-ai-harms-a-patient-who-gets-sued/?sh=4f9bc3ad4878">If AI Harms A Patient, Who Gets Sued?</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/05/20/healthcares-biggest-winners-losers-from-the-ftcs-non-compete-ban/?sh=313bd2cc4877">Healthcare Winners And Losers After FTC Bans Noncompete Agreements</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/06/04/fhc-135-diving-deep/">FHC #135: Diving Deep into AI-medical malpractice &#038; FTC&#8217;s non-compete ban</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #84: The latest research on mammograms, hormone (HRT) medications</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/05/28/mtt-84-mammograms/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2024 02:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a> examines important updates in women’s health, focusing on mammograms and hormone replacement therapy (HRT), among other pressing news topics in medicine.</p>
<p>The U.S. Preventive Task Force has updated its mammogram guidelines, now recommending that screenings start at age 40 instead of 50 and occur every two years. This adjustment responds to data showing that breast cancer is occurring earlier, potentially due to changes in pregnancy timing and related hormonal impacts. By starting screenings a decade earlier, the Task Force projects a 19% reduction in breast cancer deaths in the U.S.</p>
<p>The hosts discussion then revisits the use of hormone replacement therapy. After concerns in the early 2000s about its link to increased cancer risks, new studies indicate HRT is safe for younger post-menopausal women under 60. These studies correct earlier misconceptions, showing no increase in heart risk or mortality and a lower risk of breast cancer with estrogen-only treatments. Dr. Pearl highlights the necessity of data-driven medical practices to prevent the overreactions of the past.</p>
<p>The episode advocates for informed healthcare decisions, particularly in how women are treated during menopause. Join us to explore these critical issues and more. Here’s a snapshot of all the topics covered on this episode of <em>Medicine: The Truth</em>.</p>
<ul>
<li>Medical debt now affects more than 100 million Americans</li>
<li>Seniors have seen the biggest rise in mental health diagnoses</li>
<li>Why drug ODs are down for the time since the onset of Covid-19</li>
<li><strong>New recommendations for mammogram screenings </strong></li>
<li><strong>New data on hormone medications for menopause </strong></li>
<li>Hospitals now demanding patients pay in advance</li>
<li>The mystery of Beethoven’s deafness finally solved</li>
<li>320,000 children lost a parent to a drug overdose from 2011-2021</li>
<li>A new program to attract more people to mental health counseling</li>
<li>The newest research on Alzheimer’s Disease treatments</li>
<li>Why half of rural hospitals are losing money</li>
<li>Status of the pig-kidney transplant recipient?</li>
<li>AI vs. clinician’s diagnostic accuracy in the emergency room</li>
<li>Does H5N1 have what it takes to become a viral pandemic?</li>
<li>Longevity vs. “healthy life expectancy”</li>
<li>The death of Walmart Health and what it means for other retailers</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>“  about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/05/28/mtt-84-mammograms/">MTT #84: The latest research on mammograms, hormone (HRT) medications</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #134: An unfiltered look at the challenges of lifestyle medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/05/21/fhc-134-unfiltered-lifestyle-medicine/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2024 02:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This “Unfiltered” episode of Fixing Healthcare features <strong>Dr. Jonathan Fisher</strong>, a respected cardiologist and advocate for physician well-being; <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong>, healthcare leader and author of the new book “ChatGPT, MD”; and <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong>, CEO of Executive Podcast Solution, who adds the patient’s perspective.</p>
<p>Today, the trio dives deep into why lifestyle medicine improvements—such as diet, weight loss, mental health, and relaxation—are so challenging for people. Dr. Fisher discusses the psychological and motivational factors that create barriers to change, while Dr. Pearl explores how generative AI could assist in overcoming these hurdles. Jeremy Corr brings the patient’s viewpoint, emphasizing the real-world difficulties and potential solutions from a non-clinician’s perspective.</p>
<p>Join the panel as they explore the complexities of human behavior, the role of healthcare professionals in coaching patients, and the innovative technologies that could revolutionize how we approach health and well-being. This episode provides insightful strategies and compassionate advice for anyone looking to make lasting, positive change in their life.</p>
<p><strong>To discover more, press play and check out these helpful links: </strong></p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1636760007?ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_GA7MCSWDXH3GP7N22TCY"><strong>New book: ‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher)</p>
<p><a href="https://jonathan-fisher.presale.manuscripts.com/registration/select"><strong>New book: ‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl)</p>
<p><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/05/21/fhc-134-unfiltered-lifestyle-medicine/">FHC #134: An unfiltered look at the challenges of lifestyle medicine</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #133: The many misconceptions of palliative care</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/05/14/fhc-133-palliative-care/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2024 21:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><strong>Fixing Healthcare</strong></a> dives into the essential yet often misunderstood world of palliative and hospice care—part of this ninth season’s continued focus on end-of-life issues.</p>
<p>Our guest today, Dr. Monique Danielle Schaulis, MD, MPH, is a board-certified physician in both Emergency Medicine and Hospice and Palliative Medicine. She is currently practicing at Kaiser Permanente San Francisco. With extensive experience and a compassionate approach, Dr. Schaulis sheds light on the critical role of palliative care in modern healthcare.</p>
<p>Alongside cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>, Schaulis tackles common myths and misunderstandings surrounding palliative care. She explains why palliative care is not just for end-of-life situations, and how it can be integrated with curative treatments at any stage of a serious illness. She emphasizes that palliative care is a holistic medical specialty focused on improving the quality of life for patients of all ages by addressing physical, psychosocial, spiritual, and existential distress.</p>
<p>This episode also explores why American culture struggles with the acceptance of death and palliative care. Dr. Schaulis reflects on how historical developments in medical technology and a lack of training for physicians on end-of-life conversations contribute to this issue.  Tune in to learn more about the transformative potential of palliative care and how it can enhance quality of life for patients—and their families.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgpt-md/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/05/14/fhc-133-palliative-care/">FHC #133: The many misconceptions of palliative care</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #132: Diving deep into ChatGPT’s &#8216;memory&#8217; and Nvidia&#8217;s AI bot</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/05/07/fhc-132-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2024 22:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This month’s “Diving Deep” episode, part of the Fixing Healthcare podcast series, takes a close look at two transformative AI developments in healthcare. Cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a> explore the profound medical potential of ChatGPT’s new “memory” and Nvidia’s new AI bots, which the company claims can outperform nurses in some tasks.</p>
<p>The episode begins with a spotlight on ChatGPT’s enhanced memory capabilities. This breakthrough could revolutionize healthcare by making interactions more contextual and patient-specific, potentially leading to more accurate diagnoses and personalized care. Dr. Pearl discusses how this new AI feature could integrate vast amounts of medical data, dramatically improving clinical outcomes by overcoming the current limitations of electronic health records and knowledge accessibility.</p>
<p>Next, the conversation shifts to Nvidia’s latest innovation: AI bots that have shown promising results in performing certain nursing tasks more accurately than humans. This segment examines the implications of such technology in healthcare, discussing both the efficiency gains and the ethical considerations of integrating AI at this level of care.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Corr quizzes Pearl on these advancements, unpacking their medical relevance and vast potential. The discussion is not only a deep dive into the current capabilities of AI in medicine but also a thoughtful exploration of its future trajectory and the ethical landscape that accompanies it.</p>
<p>Click play to learn more or check out the various links below for additional information.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/03/18/why-chatgpts-memory-will-be-a-healthcare-gamechanger/?sh=11bf94c8499c">3 Ways ChatGPT’s ‘Memory’ Can Spark Breakthroughs In Healthcare</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/04/17/nvidias-ai-bot-outperforms-nurses-heres-what-it-means-for-you/?sh=666f8ad76b24">Nvidia’s AI Bot Outperforms Nurses, Study Finds. Here’s What It Means.</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of “<strong><u><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/">ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</a></u></strong>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>MTT #83: How will the FTC’s non-compete ban affect healthcare workers?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/04/30/mtt-83-ftc/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2024 01:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a> covers the latest news and most pressing issues in medicine today. The headline story for this episode focuses on the FTC’s vote to ban non-compete agreements.</p>
<p>Co-host <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>explains how these clauses were originally designed to protect trade secrets, but have been used in healthcare to prevent doctors from taking new positions—and taking their patients with them.</p>
<p>Non-compete policies not only disrupt the doctor-patient relationship but also contribute to higher healthcare costs. As Pearl has written about in Forbes and other outlets, hospital consolidation has long been a strategic move to control market share, leading to increased medical bills and facility fees. Non-compete clauses have been central to maintaining this monopoly. It’s no surprise the ban is being fiercely opposed by the American Hospital Association and U.S. Chamber of Commerce.</p>
<p>Alongside cohost <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong>, Pearl unpacks this issue and the following topics in this episode of <em>Medicine: The Truth</em>.</p>
<ul>
<li>Care organizations led by primary care physicians are most effective, efficient</li>
<li>263,000 docs have become employees since 2012</li>
<li>The FTC ban on non-compete clauses</li>
<li>Research finds weight-loss drugs also treat sleep apnea</li>
<li>Patient receives a pig’s kidney in experimental transplant</li>
<li>S. doctors accepted $12.1 billion from drug companies over the past 10 years</li>
<li>Paxlovid ineffective for vaccinated individuals with Covid-19</li>
<li>Why financial breaks didn’t spur insulin usage among diabetics</li>
<li>The impact of Covid-19 on child development</li>
<li>HHS mandates attending doctors get permission for pelvic, prostate exams</li>
<li>ChatGPT becoming more reliable and accurate in diagnosing disease</li>
<li>Unnecessary inpatient care cost $6 billion last year</li>
<li>Republicans reported 25% more severe reactions to Covid-19 vaccine</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>“  about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #131: ChatGPT interviews Dr. Pearl about their new book, &#8216;ChatGPT, MD&#8217;</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/04/23/fhc-131-chatgpt/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2024 01:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode of Fixing Healthcare is a true sign of the times in medicine. Not only is generative AI the topic of today’s podcast, it’s also an active participant. Co-host Jeremy Corr used ChatGPT to come up with questions for fellow co-host Dr. Robert Pearl about “ChatGPT, MD,” a new book that Pearl co-authored with ChatGPT.</p>
<p>Still following? This unique setup underscores the dynamic relationship between artificial intelligence, medicine and healthcare leadership.</p>
<p>ChatGPT, with questions voiced by Jeremy Corr, delves into  Dr. Pearl’s decision to write “ChatGPT, MD,” a book that aims to demystify the potential and practicalities of AI in healthcare. The discussion moves through a series of insightful questions, thoughtfully generated by AI, to probe the nuances of integrating large language models like ChatGPT into the medical field. These questions explore the opportunities AI presents for improving diagnostic accuracy, personalizing patient care, and streamlining administrative processes in healthcare settings.</p>
<p>As the conversation unfolds, it becomes clear that AI’s integration into healthcare promises significant advancements, but it also raises important ethical, legal and operational considerations.</p>
<p>Note to listeners: all profits from Dr. Pearl’s book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0CZTGPQC6/">Buy “ChatGPT, MD” with all profits going to Doctors Without Borders</a> (Amazon)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.kevinmd.com/2024/04/empowering-patients-navigating-medical-information-with-ai.html">Empowering patients: Navigating medical information with AI</a> (KevinMD)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgpt-md-is-here/">My journey with AI and medicine: ‘ChatGPT, MD’ is here</a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Dr. Robert Pearl is the coauthor of the new  book “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/ChatGPT-MD-AI-Empowered-Patients-American/dp/B0CZTGPQC6/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</em></p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #130: An unfiltered look at AI’s current, future uses in medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/04/16/unfiltered-ai/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2024 00:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this “Unfiltered” episode of Fixing Healthcare, the conversation dives deep into the role of AI in medicine with <strong>Dr. Jonathan Fisher</strong>, a respected cardiologist and advocate for physician well-being; <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong>, author of the new book “ChatGPT, MD”; and <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong>, CEO of Executive Podcast Solution, who adds the patient’s perspective.</p>
<p>The panel examines the current applications of AI in the medical field, highlighting early successes and the challenges of integrating a technology that isn&#8217;t quite ready for widespread adoption.</p>
<p>Recent studies indicate that 40% of doctors feel comfortable using AI for specific clinical and administrative tasks. However, many patients express concerns about physicians becoming overly dependent on AI for diagnoses and treatments. Fisher, Pearl and Corr cut through the noise to focus on the facts, helping listeners understand what AI can currently achieve, its potential in the near future, and the issues to watch as technology firms and healthcare leaders smooth out the rough edges.</p>
<p>As always, Corr voices a critical patient-oriented question – this one about the potential risks of AI in healthcare and how to mitigate patient concerns.</p>
<p><strong>To discover more, press play and check out these helpful links: </strong></p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1636760007?ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_GA7MCSWDXH3GP7N22TCY"><strong>Buy now: ‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s new book)</p>
<p><a href="https://jonathan-fisher.presale.manuscripts.com/registration/select"><strong>Buy now: ‘ChatGPT, MD’</strong></a> (Robert Pearl’s new book)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/03/18/why-chatgpts-memory-will-be-a-healthcare-gamechanger/?sh=25d23f2a499c"><strong>3 Ways ChatGPT’s ‘Memory’ Can Spark Breakthroughs In Healthcare</strong></a> (Forbes)</p>
<p><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/"><strong>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</strong></a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/04/16/unfiltered-ai/">FHC #130: An unfiltered look at AI’s current, future uses in medicine</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #129: A reading from Dr. Pearl&#8217;s newest book, &#8216;ChatGPT, MD&#8217;</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/04/10/fhc-129-chatgpt-md/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2024 15:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In a special episode of the <em>Fixing Healthcare </em>podcast, co-host Dr. Robert Pearl, former CEO of The Permanente Medical Group and a respected voice in healthcare, shares two chapters from his latest work, “<a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CWCV9DVZ/">ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</a>,” which he co-authored with the generative AI model ChatGPT.</p>
<p><strong><em>Listener note: All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders</em></strong></p>
<p>Celebrating the book’s release, which has already clinched the #1 new release spot on Amazon, Dr. Pearl chose to read excerpts from two pivotal chapters, providing listeners a unique glimpse into the collaborative process between a human author and generative AI.</p>
<p>Dr. Pearl reads from chapter five, a section primarily penned by him, followed by chapter six, where ChatGPT took the lead, crafting 90% of the content. The exercise offered an intriguing comparison, allowing listeners to discern the nuances between human and AI contributions.</p>
<p>Throughout, Dr. Pearl emphasized the collaborative nature of the book, underscoring the potential of generative AI to revolutionize healthcare by enhancing the partnership between patients and doctors.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.kevinmd.com/2024/04/empowering-patients-navigating-medical-information-with-ai.html">Empowering patients: Navigating medical information with AI</a> (KevinMD)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgpt-md-is-here/">My journey with AI and medicine: ‘ChatGPT, MD’ is here</a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the upcoming book “<strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/04/10/fhc-129-chatgpt-md/">FHC #129: A reading from Dr. Pearl&#8217;s newest book, &#8216;ChatGPT, MD&#8217;</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #82: How do childhood traumas shape our health as adults?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/04/02/mtt-82-childhood-traumas/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Apr 2024 23:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Medicine: The Truth</em></strong></a> delves into the lasting impact of adverse childhood events (ACEs) on mental and physical health in adulthood. A groundbreaking study involving over 25,000 Swedish twins has shed new light on the significant role the environment plays in shaping mental health outcomes, revealing that individuals who experienced major childhood traumas were substantially more likely to develop psychiatric illnesses compared to their non-traumatized twin counterparts.</p>
<p>Podcast cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a> unpack these findings, exploring the intricate relationship between childhood adversity and later life health challenges, including depression, anxiety disorders, substance abuse, and even physical ailments like heart disease and cancer. The discussion extends to the influence of genetics versus environment on mental health and the transformative potential of nurturing healthier environments for children to mitigate these long-term impacts.</p>
<p>Are we underestimating the power of our childhood experiences on our adult well-being? Join us to explore this critical question and more in today’s thought-provoking episode. Here’s a snapshot of all the topics covered on this episode of <em>Medicine: The Truth</em>.</p>
<ul>
<li>The latest on birth control availability</li>
<li>The link between COVID vaccination and political affiliation</li>
<li>The Alabama Supreme Court’s decision on IVF embryos</li>
<li>New twin study about mental health and childhood trauma</li>
<li>How to close the “empathy gap” in medicine</li>
<li>New data on fentanyl deaths</li>
<li>Voters’ top healthcare concerns in 2024</li>
<li>ER visits up for kids taking parents’ sleep medications</li>
<li>Price of new drugs defy White House actions</li>
<li>Healthcare held hostage by ransomware attack</li>
<li>Generative AI’s latest medical advance</li>
<li>Consumers growing more comfortable with AI in medicine</li>
<li>How the Dobbs ruling affected abortion rates</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the new book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgptmd/"><strong>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</strong></a>“  about the impact of AI on the future of medicine. All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/04/02/mtt-82-childhood-traumas/">MTT #82: How do childhood traumas shape our health as adults?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #128: &#8216;I Promised My Sister I Would Write About How She Chose to Die&#8217;</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/03/27/fhc-128-steven-petrow/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2024 20:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Late last year, <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> cohost Dr. Robert Pearl read a remarkable essay in the New York Times titled, “<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/opinion/medical-aid-death-choice.html">I Promised My Sister I Would Write About How She Chose to Die</a>.” In that essay, <a href="https://stevenpetrow.com/">Steven Petrow</a> offers a deeply personal account of his sister Julie’s choice to use Medical Aid in Dying (MAID) in New Jersey.</p>
<p>Her journey, marked by advanced ovarian cancer and the exhaustion of treatment options, illustrates the importance of MAID as a means of taking control at life’s end. The piece advocates for wider awareness and accessibility of such options, emphasizing the dignity in making a profound and personal choice.</p>
<p>Petrow, a contributing columnist at The Washington Post and the author, most recently, of “Stupid Things I Won’t Do When I Get Old,” joins the podcast today to discuss a panoply of end of life issues, which is the focus of this ninth season of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>.</p>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the upcoming book “<strong><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/chatgpt-md/">ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</a></strong>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/03/27/fhc-128-steven-petrow/">FHC #128: &#8216;I Promised My Sister I Would Write About How She Chose to Die&#8217;</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #127: Diving deep into the state of American healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/03/19/fhc-127-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2024 01:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Fixing Healthcare co-host <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl</a> </strong>recently returned from a surgical mission in the Philippines. The trip not only reignited his passion for global surgery, but it also provided three key lessons about American healthcare.</p>
<p>That’s the first topic of this week’s “Diving Deep” program. The second takes a different look at the state of American healthcare, this time through the lens of human evolution.</p>
<p>Pearl notes, “In a world where change is the only constant, the swift currents of modern life contrast starkly with the sluggish pace of genetic evolution—and of American healthcare, too.”</p>
<p>He and co-host Jeremy Corr discuss whether our nation’s healthcare system can evolve as fast as our DNA. Two relatively recent biological events offer profound insights into American medicine—along with a warning about what happens when healthcare systems fail to change.</p>
<p>Learn more about these two topics in today’s episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare. </em>Click play to learn more or check out the various links below for additional information.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/02/12/3-surprising-lessons-us-medicine-can-learn-from-around-the-world/?sh=16d7f3f758cb">3 Surprising Lessons U.S. Medicine Can Learn From Around The World</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/02/28/how-genetic-insights-can-reshape-american-medicine/?sh=3747e92e10c5">How Genetic Insights Can Reshape American Medicine</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of the upcoming book “<strong><u>ChatGPT, MD: How AI-Empowered Patients &amp; Doctors Can Take Back Control of American Medicine</u></strong>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/03/19/fhc-127-diving-deep/">FHC #127: Diving deep into the state of American healthcare</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #126: On finding peace with who you are</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/03/13/fhc-126-uncaring/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2024 17:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>As Dr. Robert Pearl puts the finisihing touches on his upcoming book “ChatGPT, MD,&#8221; the cohost thought it would be a fitting time to read a chapter from his previous book “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/uncaring/">Uncaring: How the Culture of Medicine Kills Doctors &amp; Patients</a>.&#8221; All profits from sales of Pearl’s books go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p>What you’re about to hear is the story of Judy, a colleague of Dr. Pearl’s at Kaiser Permanente, and Judy&#8217;s spouse. It’s a story about acceptance and kindness, about love without labels, about honoring commitments in good times and bad, and about the enduring power of hope in life’s most challenging moments.</p>
<p>Tune in and join the conversation on social media. You can also learn more about this topic and the book of <em>Uncaring</em> via the links below.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/BAY-AREA-Male-or-female-always-a-doctor-Top-2722868.php">The story of Judy at Kaiser Permanente</a> (San Francisco Chronicle)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/uncaring/">Learn more about the book ‘Uncaring’</a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/03/13/fhc-126-uncaring/">FHC #126: On finding peace with who you are</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #81: Are the kids alright, medically? </title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/03/05/mtt-81-kids-alright/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2024 00:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Medicine: The Truth</strong></a> takes a look at the mental and physical health of America’s youth.</p>
<p>More than ever before, kids 17 and under are getting their medical care at drug stores and retail clinics, signaling a further decline in traditional doctor-patient relationships. Meanwhile, new data show that young people, especially adolescent girls, experienced a massive increase in antidepressant medication usage during the pandemic—trends that continue today at an alarming rate.</p>
<p>Podcast cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong></a> and <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> discuss what’s happening with America’s young people. Are the kids going to be alright? Find out on today’s show.</p>
<p>Here’s a snapshot of all the topics covered on this episode of Medicine: The Truth.</p>
<ul>
<li>The effectiveness of the latest COVID-19 vaccines</li>
<li>In-person vs. virtual visits following medical abortion</li>
<li>The impact of COVID-19 on babies and their mothers</li>
<li>The rise of cervical cancer among low-income women</li>
<li>Why younger patients are getting their care at retail clinics</li>
<li>Antidepressant prescriptions boomed among adolescent girls</li>
<li>Unpaid medical bills are also on the rise</li>
<li>Ransomware attacks are preventing Rx refills</li>
<li>Insurers are cracking down on popular weight-loss drugs</li>
<li>Alabama’s courts rule against IVF treatments</li>
<li>How Jimmy Carter has survived a year in hospice</li>
<li>An unprecedented donation to a medical school is sparking hope</li>
<li>The importance of healthcare in this year’s election</li>
<li>The impact of running on prostate cancer</li>
<li>The residual impact of Long COVID</li>
</ul>
<p>Click here for more info: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><strong>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/</strong></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/03/05/mtt-81-kids-alright/">MTT #81: Are the kids alright, medically? </a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #125: Beyond medicine—a Rabbi&#8217;s insights on end-of-life issues</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/02/27/fhc-125-rabbi-melanie-aron/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2024 22:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This ninth season of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> continues its focus on complex end-of-life issues. In this episode, hosts <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a></strong> venture outside the traditional walls of medicine for help understanding the spiritual and communal aspects of end-of-life decision making. Joining today’s show is <strong><a href="https://www.shirhadash.org/rabbi-aron.html">Rabbi Melanie Aron</a></strong>. As a Jewish scholar and expert in Reform Judaism with a rich history of spiritual leadership and personal compassion, she brings a unique perspective to this important topic.</p>
<p>Serving Congregation Shir Hadash of Los Gatos for over three decades, and now as Rabbi Emerita, her involvement with diverse, interfaith organizations reflects her commitment to community and open dialogue. Rabbi Aron’s experiences offer invaluable insights into how different traditions and communities navigate end-of-life decisions.</p>
<p>This episode explores:</p>
<ul>
<li>Religious traditions and their influence over the medical decisions of people who are nearing the end of their lives.</li>
<li>The difference between legal restrictions on end-of-life medical care and the moral/ethical considerations that still confront people of faith.</li>
<li>What religion can teach clinicians about providing more compassionate medical care at the end of life.</li>
<li>Situations where religions institutions and medical institutions agree and disagree on end-of-life treatments.</li>
<li>Brain death, Alzheimer’s, hospice care, assisted dying—seen through the lens of religious texts and teachings.</li>
<li>Whether mental and physical health be treated similarly when making moral and ethical decisions around a person’s death.</li>
<li>Advice for families struggling with the reality that a loved one has a terminal disease.</li>
</ul>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/02/27/fhc-125-rabbi-melanie-aron/">FHC #125: Beyond medicine—a Rabbi&#8217;s insights on end-of-life issues</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #124: An unfiltered look at the science &#038; skill of love</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/02/21/fhc-124-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2024 14:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This “Unfiltered” episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> welcomes back <strong>Dr. Jonathan Fisher</strong>, a respected cardiologist and renowned advocate for physician well-being. This February, what more appropriate topic to discuss with a heart doctor than <strong><em>love</em></strong>?</p>
<p>Dr. Fisher, whose upcoming book “<strong>Just One Heart</strong>” dedicates an entire chapter to the topic, says that love is a skill that requires practice, work and considered thought. The elevated amount of dedication and commitment needed to find and foster love is not unlike the journey toward becoming a doctor. Dr. Fisher recalls some of the obstacles he faced in both arenas: his study of cardiology and of love.</p>
<p>“In medical school and residency training, I did not value love,” said Dr. Fisher. “I valued success and becoming a great doctor. And, actually, that was part of the reason I became burned out. I under-valued and under-indexed love and over-indexed success, at least the way that it was modeled to me by my teachers.”</p>
<p>Fixing Healthcare cohosts <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>and<strong> Jeremy Corr</strong> help Dr. Fisher explore the importance of love in all aspects of life. Dr. Fisher offers tips and techniques for mastering the “skill” of love. Dr. Pearl describes the medical and psychological consequences tied to the lack of love in one’s life and how recently he elevated his love of medicine during a surgical mission to the Philippines. They share statistical evidence of love’s impact on happiness, professional satisfaction and even longevity. And, as always, Jeremy Corr chimes in with a question on behalf of patients.</p>
<p><strong>To discover more, press play and check out these helpful links: </strong></p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1636760007?ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_GA7MCSWDXH3GP7N22TCY"><strong>Presale: ‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s new book)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/02/12/3-surprising-lessons-us-medicine-can-learn-from-around-the-world/?sh=37802f9758cb">Rediscovering The Mission, Purpose Of Medicine</a></strong> (Forbes)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a></strong> (RobertPearlMD.com)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/6886483197157285888/"><strong>Breaking The Rules Of Healthcare</strong></a> (LinkedIn)</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/02/21/fhc-124-unfiltered/">FHC #124: An unfiltered look at the science &#038; skill of love</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #123: Diving deep into healthcare’s biggest battles of 2024</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/02/13/fhc-123-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Healthcare used to be a “country club competition,” in the words of past <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> guest Dr. Robert Burgelman. By this, he meant that doctors, insurers, drug makers and others worked well together and stayed out of each other’s respective lanes, trusting each other to keep the wheels of medicine churning slowly forward. Disputes, if any, were resolved quietly and kept behind the scenes.</p>
<p>Those days are gone and, in 2024, three major healthcare conflicts are set to erupt. In this episode of Diving Deep, <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> discuss this year’s cutthroat competitions and intense disputes, each of them being played out in public.</p>
<p>Later in the episode, Dr. Pearl dives deep into the OpenAI saga involving its CEO (turned ex-CEO turned CEO again) Sam Altman and his very public feud with the company’s board of directors. Setting the dramatics aside, Pearl examines the important lessons that healthcare leaders should take from this dispute and from Altman’s leadership style.</p>
<p>Learn more about these two topics in today’s episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare. </em>Click play to learn more or check out the various links below for additional information.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2024/01/15/3-huge-healthcare-battles-set-to-erupt-in-2024/?sh=79e23b3932e0">3 Huge Healthcare Battles Set To Erupt In 2024</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/12/18/sam-altmans-wild-2023-offers-3-critical-lessons-for-healthcare-leaders/?sh=49322e71688b">Sam Altman&#8217;s Wild Year Offers 3 Critical Lessons for Healthcare Leaders</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/02/13/fhc-123-diving-deep/">FHC #123: Diving deep into healthcare’s biggest battles of 2024</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #122: Navigating life&#8217;s final chapter with Atul Gawande</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/02/06/fhc-122-atul-gawande/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2024 19:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><em>Fixing Healthcare </em>welcomes <strong><a href="https://atulgawande.com/">Dr. Atul Gawande</a></strong>, a renowned surgeon, writer and public health researcher who currently serves as the Assistant Administrator for Global Health at USAID.</p>
<p>He has a rich background as both a medical professional and a compassionate individual. Ten years ago, Dr. Gawande published the bestselling book “Being Mortal: Medicine and What Matters in the End,” which explored the intersection of medicine, aging, and the end-of-life journey. His father’s battle with a spinal tumor profoundly influenced the book, serving as a catalyst for Gawande to confront the limitations of medical interventions and the importance of addressing patients’ individual goals and fears as they approach the end of their lives.</p>
<p>This episode explores:</p>
<ul>
<li>Gawande’s personal story as he reflects on his father’s battle with a spinal tumor, highlighting the complexities and emotional challenges of dealing with serious health issues within a family.</li>
<li>His father’s journey from being a vibrant individual and a dedicated surgeon to facing the limitations imposed by his illness provides; a profound context for the discussion on end-of-life care.</li>
<li>Difficult decisions that families and patients face when confronted with terminal illnesses, along with the nuances of choosing between aggressive treatments and palliative care.</li>
<li>Approaches to end-of-life care that respect the patient’s wishes and focus on enhancing the quality of life rather than merely extending it.</li>
<li>The significance of having open and honest conversations about end-of-life preferences and the limitations of medical interventions.</li>
</ul>
<p>This episode is part of the ninth season of <strong>Fixing Healthcare</strong> with cohosts <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a></strong>.</p>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/02/06/fhc-122-atul-gawande/">FHC #122: Navigating life&#8217;s final chapter with Atul Gawande</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #80: What’s new in drug discovery and pricing?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/01/30/mtt-80-drug-discovery-pricing/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2024 22:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Medicine: The Truth</strong></a> looks at the latest in new drug approvals and new drug pricing, topics that have become inseparable in our nation’s healthcare conversation.</p>
<p>One study found that the average “launch price” of new drugs has increased from $2,115 per year in 2008 to $180,007 per year in 2021. And there’s no sign drug makers are slowing down. Already in 2024, pharma companies have raised prices on 775 new medications.</p>
<p>Podcast cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong></a> and <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> discuss the cost of new drugs and their relative value. Are Americans getting what they’re paying for? For that answer and more, here’s a snapshot of topics covered on today’s show:</p>
<ul>
<li>As many as 2 million new cases per day of Covid, RSV and flu</li>
<li>FDA approves a new sickle cell disease treatment</li>
<li>The latest Covid variant, JN.1, and its impact on Americans</li>
<li>A morning-sickness hormone discovered by Cambridge researchers</li>
<li>Drug rebates coming this year for Medicare patients?</li>
<li>The link between drug makers and non-profit patient advocacy groups</li>
<li>Congress mulling price transparency laws despite intense lobbying</li>
<li>The latest on GLP-1 weight-loss medications</li>
<li>Infected Americans no longer isolating, masking</li>
<li>What now for 10 million Americans who lost Medicaid coverage?</li>
<li>Venture capital firm buys one of largest health systems in Ohio</li>
<li>Should you turn to YouTube for emergency medical advice?</li>
</ul>
<p>Click here for more info: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><strong>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/</strong></a></p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/01/30/mtt-80-drug-discovery-pricing/">MTT #80: What’s new in drug discovery and pricing?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #121: An unfiltered look at resolutions, kept and unkept</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/01/23/fhc-121-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2024 00:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This “Unfiltered” episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> welcomes back <strong>Dr. Jonathan Fisher</strong>, a respected cardiologist and renowned advocate for physician well-being.</p>
<p>Last Wednesday, January 17, was “Quit Day,” when most people give up on their New Year’s resolutions to get fit, eat better and try new things. Today’s show leads with an up-close look at the annual ritual of making (and breaking) resolutions.</p>
<p>“I have a little bit of skepticism about resolutions in general,” says Dr. Fisher, adding, “I certainly make resolutions for myself, especially around fitness, around relationships, around nutrition. But I want to ask, what does it actually mean to have a resolution? If you resolve to do something, doesn’t that mean you’re going to do it once and for all, and you don’t have to keep making these things every year?”</p>
<p>Fixing Healthcare cohost <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> notes that there’s very little in healthcare that we do once and that’s it. “Maybe get our appendix taken out,” he says, but the point is that these promises we make to ourselves don’t come with an annual (or 17-day) stopping point. Perhaps it is the gravity of these resolutions that makes it all the more difficult to keep them.</p>
<p>Today’s show explores why it’s so hard to get resolutions to stick, and what people can do to live happier, healthier lives without the pressure of this oft-failed tradition. Later in the episode, Dr. Fisher discusses the “placebo effect” and its impact on medicine. The group concludes with a discussion of “flow” and the positive psychological principle of being in the zone. As always, cohost <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> chimes in with a question on behalf of patients.</p>
<p><strong>To discover more, press play and check out these helpful links: </strong></p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1636760007?ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_GA7MCSWDXH3GP7N22TCY"><strong>Presale: ‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s new book)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2013/12/26/5-new-years-resolutions-that-can-save-your-life/?sh=23e84a377a57">5 New Year&#8217;s Resolutions That Can Save Your Life</a></strong> (Forbes)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2022/12/05/3-beneficial-healthcare-laws-the-118th-congress-could-actually-pass/?sh=479a490123b7">3 Beneficial Healthcare Laws The 118th Congress Could (Actually) Pass </a></strong>(Forbes)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/6886483197157285888/"><strong>Breaking The Rules Of Healthcare</strong></a> (LinkedIn)</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/01/23/fhc-121-unfiltered/">FHC #121: An unfiltered look at resolutions, kept and unkept</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #120: Revisiting the hero’s journey with Dr. Zubin Damania (ZDoggMD)</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/01/16/fhc-120-heros-journey/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2024 01:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This week, cohost Dr. Robert Pearl is on a plastic surgery mission trip to the Philippines where he will be repairing the cleft lips and palates of children. While he’s away, we’re revisiting one of the most popular episodes from 2023 featuring Dr. Zubin Damania, known to many as ZDoggMD.</p>
<p>Zubin Damania is a UCSF- and Stanford-trained internist and founder of Turntable Health, an innovative primary care clinic and model for Health 3.0. As a way to address his own burnout and find his voice, he started producing videos and live shows under the pseudonym “ZDoggMD.” His persona became a grassroots movement, reaching more than 1 billion people across a wide array of different media.</p>
<p>In this episode, Drs. Pearl and Z discuss the hero’s journey in healthcare. The concept of the “hero’s journey” was popularized by the American writer Joseph Cambell, and it applies aptly to American healthcare. In every medical professional’s career, there is a calling, a fear of failure and people along the way who provide support (or pose additional challenges). Listen to find who are healthcare&#8217;s heroes today, what are the dragons that need slaying, how doctors will overcome their fear of failure and what  journeys still lie ahead.</p>
<p>For more, press play.</p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/01/16/fhc-120-heros-journey/">FHC #120: Revisiting the hero’s journey with Dr. Zubin Damania (ZDoggMD)</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #119: Diving deep into clinician burnout and ChatGPT as a solution</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/01/09/fhc-119-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2024 22:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Clinician burnout is a major problem in the United States. But as cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> discuss in today’s episode of <em>Diving Deep</em>, burnout is not a distinctly American problem.</p>
<p>Recent data from The Commonwealth Fund indicates that primary care doctors in the United States are as satisfied as their peers in the UK, Germany, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. This seems surprising given the unique challenges and frustrations posed by the American healthcare system. But if the system isn’t the sole cause of doctor dissatisfaction, then what else is there?</p>
<p>Dr. Pearl offers a surprising take on the global origins of clinician burnout and, in the second half of today’s show, he offers a technology-based solution to reverse our nation’s surge in chronic illnesses and the clinician burnout crisis. Finally, Pearl acknowledges and addresses the likely skepticism of doctors, especially considering the longstanding failure of heavily hyped tech when it comes to improving medical outcomes or professional satisfaction.</p>
<p>Learn more about these two topics in today’s episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare. </em>Click play to learn more or check out the various links below for additional information.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/11/22/burnout-in-us-healthcare-new-data-surprising-insights/?sh=4eac3af255a8">Burnout In US Healthcare: New Data, Surprising Insights</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/12/06/chatgpt-will-reduce-clinician-burnout-if-doctors-embrace-it/?sh=428ab76f328b">ChatGPT Will Reduce Clinician Burnout, If Doctors Embrace It</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/01/09/fhc-119-diving-deep/">FHC #119: Diving deep into clinician burnout and ChatGPT as a solution</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #118: 2023 in review plus 2024 preview and predictions  </title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/01/03/fhc-118-2024-preview-and-predictions/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2024 14:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>What a year it was for American healthcare. Generative AI exploded onto the scene and scored in the top echelon of test takers on the U.S. medical licensing exam. America’s largest retailers made several multibillion-dollar acquisitions in the primary care, telemedicine and home-health arenas. Diabetes drugs stunned researchers with their ability to help patients lose weight.</p>
<p>These are just a few of the biggest stories from 2023 that cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> discuss on today’s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/">Fixing Healthcare</a>, which also takes a bold look ahead at 2024. Which healthcare issues will matter most in this election year? Which technologies are set to make on impact on America’s health? Will the physician burnout crisis get better or worse in the year to come?</p>
<p><strong>Here’s a snapshot of the topics covered on today’s show:   </strong></p>
<ul>
<li>The explosion of generative AI (ChatGPT)</li>
<li>The rise of the ‘retail giants’ in healthcare</li>
<li>Ozempic and other weight-loss drugs</li>
<li>Medicare Advantage saw enrollment surge in 2023</li>
<li>The tech breakthrough to fight sickle cell disease</li>
<li>Overdoses, suicides and other healthcare failures of the last year</li>
<li>The threat of rationing in 2024</li>
<li>The Roe v. Wade fallout</li>
<li>Addressing physician burnout in the U.S.</li>
<li>The most promising medical technologies coming in 2024</li>
<li>Which healthcare issues will matter most at the polls?</li>
<li>How to contain drug and care-delivery costs going forward</li>
<li>Healthcare staffing shortages: causes and solutions</li>
<li>A telehealth comeback in 2024?</li>
<li>America needs a mental health check</li>
<li>Who was Dr. Pearl’s greatest career influence?</li>
</ul>
<p>Click play to learn more or check out the various links below for additional information.</p>
<p><strong>MUST-READ ARTICLES FROM 2023</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/10/04/the-ai-empowered-patient-is-coming-are-doctors-ready/?sh=2a0c594b6d50">The AI-Empowered Patient Is Coming: Are Doctors Ready?</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/03/20/15-innovative-ideas-for-fixing-healthcare-from-15-brilliant-minds/?sh=387e82e24b3a">15 Innovative Ideas For Fixing Healthcare From 15 Brilliant Minds</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/american-healthcare-good-bad-ugly-future-robert-pearl-m-d-/?trackingId=NTP0%2B0B4Sh62LUUi08HGvQ%3D%3D">American healthcare: The good, bad, ugly, future</a> (LinkedIn)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/07/10/how-the-us-government-can-solve-the-obesity-epidemic/?sh=2a2f57526632">How The U.S. Government Can Solve The Obesity Epidemic</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/11/22/burnout-in-us-healthcare-new-data-surprising-insights/?sh=62bfab5255a8">Burnout In Medicine: New Data, Surprising Insights</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li>Subscribe: <a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2024/01/03/fhc-118-2024-preview-and-predictions/">FHC #118: 2023 in review plus 2024 preview and predictions  </a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #117: The Young and the Breathless</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/12/26/fhc-117-the-young-and-the-breathless/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Dec 2023 02:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Bubbly and precocious, Hunter was every parent’s dream child and every teacher’s ideal student. By age 14, she had already enrolled in classes at a local college to augment her course schedule. She played soccer, softball, basketball and ran track in high school. She was on the swim team. She even tried cheerleading, though that wasn’t her cup of tea, said Maria, Hunter’s mom.</p>
<p>Maria describes her daughter with words like “amazing” and “beautiful” and “unstoppable.” But to truly appreciate the power of this mother-daughter duo, you have to understand what the two of them went through together. Theirs is a story of medical trials and tribulations, of heartbreaking diagnoses and difficult medical decisions. Their story challenges both conventional wisdom and the doctor-patient relationship.</p>
<p>In today’s episode, Dr. Robert Pearl’s reads a chapter from his critically acclaimed book, “Uncaring: How the Culture of Medicine Kills Doctors &amp; Patients.” All profits from sales of the book go to Doctors Without Borders. This episode is part of season nine of <strong>Fixing Healthcare</strong>, which tackles the difficult topic of death, examining end-of-life issues from multiple angles.</p>
<p>Tune in and join the conversation on social media. You can also learn more about this topic and the book of <em>Uncaring</em> via the links below.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/robert-pearl/uncaring/">Kirkus starred review: ‘Uncaring’</a> (Kirkus Reviews)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/uncaring/">Learn more about the book ‘Uncaring’</a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/12/26/fhc-117-the-young-and-the-breathless/">FHC #117: The Young and the Breathless</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #116: Death of a Surgeon</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/12/19/fhc-116-death-of-a-surgeon/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2023 04:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to season nine of <strong>Fixing Healthcare</strong> with cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a>. This season tackles the difficult topic of death, examining end-of-life issues from multiple angles.</p>
<p>Today’s episode features a reading from Dr. Robert Pearl’s most recent book “Uncaring: How the Culture of Medicine Kills Doctors &amp; Patients,” which is available in audio book, eBook and hardcover. All profits from sales go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p>What you’re about to hear is the story of David, a colleague and friend of Dr. Pearl’s at Kaiser Permanente. David lived a beautiful life that was cut short by illness. In his final years, he and his family faced a difficult decision, one that raises important questions for all of us about ethics, morality, the law and the choices we make at the end of life.</p>
<p>Tune in and join the conversation on social media. You can also learn more about this topic and the book of <em>Uncaring</em> via the links below.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/uncaring-exceprt-death-and-dying/">Life’s most difficult decision: An excerpt from ‘Uncaring’</a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/uncaring/">Learn more about the book ‘Uncaring’</a> (RobertPearlMD.com)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/12/19/fhc-116-death-of-a-surgeon/">FHC #116: Death of a Surgeon</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #79: Why do viruses love the holidays?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/12/12/mtt-79-viruses-love-the-holidays/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2023 04:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>As it was this time last year, ‘tis the season for sneezing once again. While carolers are coughing and shoppers are sniffling, podcast cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong></a> and <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> are tracking the seasonal surge in Covid-19, influenza and RSV.</p>
<p>Half a year has passed since the federal government declared an end to the public health emergency for Covid-19. But public health experts are worried that the lack of masking and social distancing this year could send tens of thousands of Americans to the hospital before winter’s end.</p>
<p>On today’s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Medicine: The Truth</strong></a>, listeners will uncover critical insights about this season’s most important health trends.</p>
<p>Here’s a snapshot of topics covered on today’s show:</p>
<ul>
<li>Tracking the ‘triple-demic’ this holiday</li>
<li>The major downtick in vaccine boosters for Covid-19</li>
<li>A major uptick in another vaccine-preventable disease</li>
<li>A scary new statistic concerning a mental health crisis</li>
<li>The risk of viral spread in nursing homes</li>
<li>New poll suggests most Americans know someone with long-Covid</li>
<li>A (very small) rebound in life expectancy after the pandemic</li>
<li>America’s ongoing struggles to rein in healthcare costs</li>
<li>The latest news with weight-loss drugs</li>
<li>A new technology to empower patients like never before</li>
<li>A big breakthrough in the battle against sickle-cell disease</li>
<li>The biggest health story affecting kids and parents today</li>
<li>Training more primary care doctors</li>
</ul>
<p>Click here for more info: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><strong>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/</strong></a></p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/12/12/mtt-79-viruses-love-the-holidays/">MTT #79: Why do viruses love the holidays?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #115: The bioethical dilemma of saving life ‘at any cost’</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/12/05/fhc-115-bioethical-dilemma/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2023 05:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The 21st century has granted humanity incredible access to medications and procedures that can extend life almost indefinitely. Ventilators can breathe for us, intravenous tubes and pumps can nourish us, and hemodialysis machines can filter waste and excess water from our blood, all but replacing healthy kidneys.</p>
<p>The fact that medicine can extend human lives almost indefinitely is considered by many to be a great scientific achievement. Still, many doctors feel beset by the gifts they’ve been given. In the ever-distressing, noise-polluted, sick-care environment of today’s hospital, it’s not clear whether patients nearing the end of their lives are being treated or tortured. So, how should our nation define “life?”</p>
<p>Welcome to season nine of <strong>Fixing Healthcare</strong> with cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a>. Things are about to get emotional and philosophical. In this and future episodes, guests will tackle the difficult topic of death. Although it is a complex and uncomfortable subject, listeners will have the opportunity to learn from world experts regarding the ethical, legal and medical decisions that surround end-of-life care.</p>
<p>This season’s first guest is <strong>Dorothee Caminiti</strong>, the director of the bioethics program at the Makkula Center for Applied Ethics at Santa Clara University. She works at the intersection of digital ethics in healthcare and law, and focuses on the ethical problems associated with personalized medicine and the processing of health-related data. She received her master’s degree in bioethics from Harvard University.</p>
<p>In this episode, Caminiti discusses:</p>
<ul>
<li>Whether doctors should “save a life at any cost”</li>
<li>How the Terri Schiavo case influenced our nation’s views on end of life</li>
<li>What are the rights of patients in terms of the “right to die”</li>
<li>The purpose of advanced directives in medicine</li>
<li>How ethics committees define “life” in medical disputes</li>
<li>Weighing the input of doctors, patients and families</li>
<li>The ethics of medical aid in dying laws</li>
<li>Lessons from around the world about end-of-life care</li>
</ul>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/12/05/fhc-115-bioethical-dilemma/">FHC #115: The bioethical dilemma of saving life ‘at any cost’</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #114: An unfiltered look at empathy in medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/11/28/fhc-114-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This “Unfiltered” episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> welcomes back <strong>Dr. Jonathan Fisher</strong>, a respected cardiologist and renowned advocate for physician well-being. Today’s show leads with an up-close look at a subject near and dear to Dr. Fisher’s heart, literally.</p>
<p>“Empathy resides in the emotional heart, and it also has impacts on the physical heart and the physiologic heart, as well,” says Dr. Fisher adding that, “empathy helps steady the heart, lower heart rate, lower stress and, in the exam room, can even lower blood pressure.”</p>
<p>As part of the conversation, Fixing Healthcare cohost <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> introduced a study published in the <em>Journal of the American Medical Association</em> over the summer that got many in medical profession talking. Here’s how Dr. Pearl described it in a recent <em>Forbes</em> article:</p>
<p>“Researchers compared doctor and AI responses to nearly 200 medical questions submitted by patients via social media. The answers were read by a team of healthcare professionals who didn’t know whether the author was a doctor or a bot. The team concluded that 80% of the AI-generated responses as more nuanced, accurate and detailed than those shared by physicians. But most surprising was ChatGPT’s bedside manner. While less than 5% of doctor responses were judged to be ‘empathetic’ or ‘very empathetic,’ that figure shot up to 45% for answers provided by AI.”</p>
<p>Today’s show explores the importance of empathy and how healthcare professionals—many of whom suffer an erosion of empathy due to high stress and burnout—can better express their emotions with others, including their colleagues and patients.</p>
<p><strong>To discover more, press play and check out these helpful links: </strong></p>
<p><a href="https://jonathan-fisher.presale.manuscripts.com/registration/select"><strong>Presale: ‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s new book)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/08/07/doctors-vs-chatgpt-which-is-more-empathetic/?sh=7a26f57a1865">Doctors Vs. ChatGPT: Which Is More Empathetic?</a></strong> (Forbes)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/hospital-management-administration/do-you-have-the-emotional-intelligence-it-takes-to-be-a-great-hospital-leader.html">Do you have the emotional intelligence it takes to be a great hospital leader?</a></strong> (Becker’s Hospital Review)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&amp;v=U1vlYvhwrms">How AI, Empathy, &amp; Capitation Can Transform Healthcare</a> </strong>(Speaking Of Podcast)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/6886483197157285888/"><strong>Breaking The Rules Of Healthcare</strong></a> (LinkedIn)</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/11/28/fhc-114-unfiltered/">FHC #114: An unfiltered look at empathy in medicine</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #113: Diving deep into Dr. ChatGPT and healthcare ‘skimping’</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/11/21/fhc-113-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2023 21:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Listeners of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/">Fixing Healthcare</a> keep writing in and reaching out with questions about two hot-button healthcare topics: the high price of healthcare and the impact generative AI (like ChatGPT) will have on the future of medicine.</p>
<p>This episode of <em>Diving Deep</em> begins with a look at “skimping,” which refers to the many ways in which healthcare prices are constrained, but at the expense of American patients. It’s equivalent to consumers purchasing a box of cereal at the regular price only to find 25% fewer flakes inside. Of course, the difference is that skimping on medical care as a means to flatten healthcare inflation proves destructive to our nation’s health.</p>
<p>Cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> then focus on the future of generative artificial intelligence (GenAI). Tools like OpenAI’s ChatGPT, Google’s Bard and Microsoft’s Bing are poised to give people significantly more power and control—not just over their personal lives and professional tasks, but over their own medical health, as well. What will this mean for the doctor-patient relationship going forward?</p>
<p>Pearl explains that, if used correctly, GenAI “offers the opportunity to make the doctor-patient relationship more collaborative and create empowered patients who will improve their health.”</p>
<p>Learn more about these two topics in today’s episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare. </em>Click play to learn more or check out the various links below for additional information.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/11/08/how-america-skimps-on-healthcare/?sh=7307c5662838">How America Skimps On Healthcare</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/10/18/how-generative-ai-will-upend-the-doctor-patient-relationship/">How Generative AI Will Upend The Doctor-Patient Relationship</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/11/21/fhc-113-diving-deep/">FHC #113: Diving deep into Dr. ChatGPT and healthcare ‘skimping’</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #112: How the culture of medicine can change</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/11/14/fhc-112-culture-of-medicine/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2023 05:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Season eight of the Fixing Healthcare podcast continues its focus on the role of leadership in driving change. Our guest today is an expert in this area.</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.jenniferachatman.com/">Jenny Chatman</a></strong> is Acting Dean at the Haas School of Business and the Paul Cortese Professor of Management at UC Berkeley. She’s a world-renowned researcher, teacher and consultant on leveraging organizational culture to boost team performance. Chatman is also editor-in-chief for the journal “Research in Organizational Behavior” (2019-2022) and co-director of the Berkeley Haas Center for Workplace Culture and Innovation.</p>
<p>In this interview, Chatman shares lessons in leadership and cultural change with <strong><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></strong> cohosts <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a></strong>.</p>
<p>Throughout today&#8217;s episode, she discusses:</p>
<ul>
<li>Organizational culture: what it is and isn’t</li>
<li>How doctors learn “the unwritten rules” of medical culture</li>
<li>How norms form and what control leaders have over them</li>
<li>Why handwashing isn’t as normal in medicine as you might think</li>
<li>Auditing and assessing norms as part of the culture-change process</li>
<li>The power of subcultures within a healthcare organization</li>
<li>How new leaders should approach cultural change in medicine</li>
<li>What to do if you find yourself in a toxic culture</li>
<li>Creating collectivist (vs. individualistic) goals in healthcare</li>
<li>More powerful: a common purpose or a common enemy?</li>
<li>Why gratitude goes a long way</li>
<li>How generative AI (like ChatGPT) will change medical culture</li>
</ul>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/11/14/fhc-112-culture-of-medicine/">FHC #112: How the culture of medicine can change</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #78: How high will premiums rise? How low will patient satisfaction go?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/11/07/mtt-78-premiums-satisfaction/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2023 21:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This year, the cost of health insurance for a working family of four exceeded $24,000 for the first time ever. That’s up 7% from last year (the largest rate increase since 2011). But increased spending has not equated to happier patients. New research has uncovered an “unprecedented decline” in patient satisfaction throughout United States.</p>
<p>In today’s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Medicine: The Truth</strong></a>, podcast cohost <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong></a> discusses the rise of medical costs alongside the rise in patient displeasure.</p>
<p>But the bad news doesn’t stop there. New data suggest that infant morality and maternal mortality are on the rise in America. At the same time, doctors, nurses and medical staff are exiting the profession by the hundreds of thousands.</p>
<p>However, listeners looking for good news will find some in today’s show, too.  Here’s a snapshot of the topics covered:</p>
<ul>
<li>AI is making massive inroads in predicting next Covid-19 strains</li>
<li>Paxlovid prices are going up: why and by how much?</li>
<li>The link between Long Covid and inflammation</li>
<li>Average family health premiums topped $24,000</li>
<li>Why are patients less satisfied with hospital care?</li>
<li>Telemedicine usage continues to dip following pandemic highs</li>
<li>The results of 49 pilot programs since 2011 to reduce medical costs</li>
<li>Study: daily exercise vs. anti-depressive medications</li>
<li>How social determinants of health affect pre-teens</li>
<li>The U.S. infant mortality rate is getting worse: Why?</li>
<li>Hundreds of thousands exited healthcare profession in 2020-21</li>
<li>Efficacy updates on the Covid-19, flu vaccines</li>
<li>How rural areas are affected by hospital closures</li>
</ul>
<p>Click here for more info: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><strong>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/</strong></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/11/07/mtt-78-premiums-satisfaction/">MTT #78: How high will premiums rise? How low will patient satisfaction go?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #111: Among wealthy nations, U.S. docs rank average for burnout</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/10/31/fhc-111-unfiltered-burnout/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2023 03:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This “Unfiltered” episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> welcomes back <strong>Dr. Jonathan Fisher</strong>, a respected cardiologist and renowned advocate for physician well-being.</p>
<p>Today’s show leads with an in-depth look at bias. In particular, the kind of cognitive biases studied by Nobel Prize researchers Daniel Kahneman and Richard Thaler, who identified the many reasons why the human brain makes illogical and irrational choices. The two then talk about how doctors view technologies like ChatGPT through the lens of their own preconceived notions about the world around them.</p>
<p>Later in the episode, <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> introduces some surprising data on physician burnout. In August, an independent research group, the Commonwealth Fund, published a global report on satisfaction among primary care physicians.</p>
<p>According to the data, a paltry 47% of America’s primary care doctors are satisfied with their medical practices overall. Most surprisingly, however, is that the UK, Germany, Australia, New Zealand and Canada all claim less-satisfied doctors, despite working in countries that consistently and considerably outperform the United States in clinical outcomes.</p>
<p>With all the talk around America’s dysfunctional healthcare system as the main driver of physician burnout, how is it that the U.S. sits squarely in the middle of 10 other developed countries in rankings of professional satisfaction (especially when doctors elsewhere work in government-funded healthcare systems and don’t have to deal with things like prior authorization and computer systems designed around fee-for-service payments)?</p>
<p>Today’s show provides some answers and offers new ways the burnout crisis can be remedied.</p>
<p><strong>To discover more, press play and check out these helpful links: </strong></p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1636760007?ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_GA7MCSWDXH3GP7N22TCY"><strong>Presale: ‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s ucpoming book)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2023/aug/overworked-undervalued-primary-care-physicians-10-countries">Overworked and Undervalued: Unmasking Primary Care Physicians’ Dissatisfaction in 10 High-Income Countries</a> </strong>(The Commonwealth Fund)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.stophealthcareburnout.com/speakers/Fisher%2C-Jonathan">The Healthcare Burnout Symposium featuring Dr. Fisher</a></strong> (Event: November 2-3, 2023)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/end-clinician-burnout/">Who has the power to end clinician burnout?</a> </strong>(RobertPearlMD.com)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/6886483197157285888/"><strong>Breaking The Rules Of Healthcare</strong></a> (LinkedIn)</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/10/31/fhc-111-unfiltered-burnout/">FHC #111: Among wealthy nations, U.S. docs rank average for burnout</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #110: Diving deep into drug-pricing wizardry and deep learning (AI)</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/10/25/fhc-110-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2023 11:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Like magicians, the U.S. biopharmaceutical industry has used diversion to distract the public’s attention away from where the real action is really happening. This <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/">Fixing Healthcare</a> episode of <em>Diving Deep</em> begins with a look at three illusions drug companies have crafted to maintain massive profitability and keep Americans from  seeing important truths about pharma pricing, innovation and regulation.</p>
<p>Cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a> then focus on the future of generative artificial intelligence (GenAI). Despite 20-plus years of hype, AI’s impact on medical practice has been negligible thus far. But Pearl believes the next generation of AI is unlike any technology that has come before. The launch of ChatGPT in late 2022 marked the dawn of a new era in medicine. Pearl says that, in time, generative AI tools will “radically change healthcare, empower patients and redefine the doctor-patient relationship.”</p>
<p>Learn more about these two topics in today’s episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare. </em>Click play to learn more or check out the various links below for additional information.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/10/04/the-ai-empowered-patient-is-coming-are-doctors-ready/?sh=3346a91d6d50">The AI-Empowered Patient Is Coming: Are Doctors Ready?</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/09/20/dark-magic-drug-companies-and-the-art-of-deception/?sh=2ca6bb617fa5">Dark Magic: Drug Companies And The Art Of Deception</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/10/25/fhc-110-diving-deep/">FHC #110: Diving deep into drug-pricing wizardry and deep learning (AI)</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #109: Dan Ariely on irrationality and misbelief in medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/10/18/fhc-109-dan-ariely/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2023 14:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dan Ariely is an expert in irrational behavior. He has extensively researched it, mulled it over and, more often than not, produced brilliant insights into what it means to be a human. His studies and observations have resulted in three <em>New York Times</em> bestsellers on human psychology.</p>
<p>During the Coronavirus pandemic, he was attacked for his efforts to save lives through vaccination and mandatory masking. His newest book, “Misbelief: What Makes Rational People Believe Irrational Things,” recalls his travails during Covid-19 era and the blowback he received as the “chief consciousness engineer” of the “covid-19 fraud” (in the words of his skeptics).</p>
<p>In this interview, Ariely discusses the highlights of his decades-long research into psychology and behavioral economics and their applications toward U.S. medicine with <strong><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></strong> cohosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</a>.</p>
<p>In this episode, Ariely discusses:</p>
<ul>
<li>Irrationality and “anchoring,” the use of prior decisions to make future ones</li>
<li>The pitfalls confronting the consumers and producers of healthcare</li>
<li>Why, in health, we need to celebrate the idea of “nothing bad happens”</li>
<li>His work helping the Israeli government with its Covid-19 strategy</li>
<li>How stress leads to a misbelief in doctors, the government, etc.</li>
<li>Whether misbelief can be a positive for patients</li>
<li>Much, much more</li>
</ul>
<p>Ariely is an is a leading behavioral economist, author, entrepreneur and the James B. Duke Professor of Psychology and Behavioral Economics at Duke University.</p>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/10/18/fhc-109-dan-ariely/">FHC #109: Dan Ariely on irrationality and misbelief in medicine</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #77: Is the ‘tripledemic’ returning? Will new vaccines help?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/10/11/mtt-77-tripledemic/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2023 19:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Last year, around this time, the CDC alerted physicians about the triple threat of Covid-19, seasonal influenza and RSV (respiratory syncytial virus). The result was one of the worst flu seasons in more than a decade.</p>
<p>In today’s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Medicine: The Truth</strong></a>, podcast cohost <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong></a> discusses the return of the “triple-demic” this winter and what listeners should do about it.</p>
<p>According to forecasts, researchers expect a total of 1.15 million hospitalizations from these three viruses. How do those numbers stack up against last year? And will the newest vaccines prove more or less efficacious?</p>
<p>Also featured on today’s program:</p>
<ul>
<li>Data on the new vaccine and its efficacy against the newer variants</li>
<li>The surprising reason Americans won’t get the new shot</li>
<li>Why the CDC is recommending this antibiotic after unprotected sex</li>
<li>The reason healthcare costs will rise 6.5% in 2024</li>
<li>How health benefits affect entrepreneurship, employee wages and prices</li>
<li>An unexpected development in government negotiations of drug prices</li>
<li>The return of the free Covid-19 testing kit program</li>
<li>Results of a genetically engineered pig heart transplant</li>
<li>Why innovative medical researchers struggle to get due recognition</li>
<li>KP’s massive labor strike and the reasons behind it</li>
<li>A new entrant among the retail giants trying to disrupt healthcare</li>
</ul>
<p>Click here for more info: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><strong>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/</strong></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/10/11/mtt-77-tripledemic/">MTT #77: Is the ‘tripledemic’ returning? Will new vaccines help?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #108: An unfiltered look at distrust between patients and doctors</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/10/03/fhc-108-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2023 14:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This “Unfiltered” episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> welcomes back <strong>Dr. Jonathan Fisher</strong>, a respected cardiologist and renowned advocate for physician well-being.</p>
<p>On today’s show, Dr. Fisher serves up a question for <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong>.</p>
<p>He recalls the classic Harrison&#8217;s Principles of Internal Medicine, a medical school textbook that now comprises more than 3,000 pages of vital information. And yet, despite the book’s exhaustive and comprehensive nature, Dr. Fisher remembers one thing that was notably absent from its pages:</p>
<p>“Something was missing in that book that has come back to bite me on more than one occasion in my clinic, relating to patient care and also working with my colleagues. It has to do with the role of trust in healthcare.”</p>
<p>Fisher recalls, in his early years of practice, assuming that patients would come to his office, heed his medical wisdom, dutifully follow his recommendations and return later for a follow-up visit having benefited greatly. But he quickly learned that this paternalistic approach to medical treatment had fallen out of favor some time ago. Now that today’s patients aren’t so quick to defer to the physician’s expertise, what is the state of trust in healthcare and how can physicians earn more of it from increasingly skeptical patients?</p>
<p>Today’s show explores the role of trust and distrust in medicine. The doctors, alongside cohost Jeremy Corr, dive into the relationship between patients and doctors, physicians and their colleagues and clinicians and those in leadership roles.</p>
<p>To discover more, press play and check out these helpful links:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1636760007?ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_GA7MCSWDXH3GP7N22TCY"><strong>Presale: ‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s new book)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/healing-healthcare-repairing-last-5-years-damage-robert-pearl-m-d-/?utm_source=rss&amp;utm_campaign=articles_sitemaps&amp;utm_medium=google_news">Healing Healthcare: Repairing The Last 5 Years Of Damage</a></strong> (LinkedIn)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/953633">To End Burnout, Doctors Must Change the Culture of Medicine</a></strong> (Medscape)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgov1cG0kns">Transforming Leadership &amp; Well-Being From The Heart</a></strong> (About My Brain)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/6886483197157285888/"><strong>Breaking The Rules Of Healthcare</strong></a> (LinkedIn)</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/10/03/fhc-108-unfiltered/">FHC #108: An unfiltered look at distrust between patients and doctors</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #107: Amy C. Edmonson on ‘failing well’ in medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/09/27/fhc-107-amy-c-edmonson/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2023 12:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>It’s no secret that doctors hold themselves to incredibly high standards, driven by a dedication to patients and a desire to save lives. It’s also understood that, in medicine, self-imposed high standards are fully reinforced by colleagues, administrators and an endless chain of performance metrics.</p>
<p>However, less commonly understood (and almost never discussed) is how the pursuit of 24/7 perfection creates an environment where people are afraid to admit their wrongdoings, failures and limitations. The fear of making mistakes or acknowledging uncertainties frequently deters healthcare professionals from voicing concerns or proposing innovative solutions.</p>
<p>This kind of psychological safety vacuum has adverse consequences, says Amy C. Edmonson, the Novartis Professor of Leadership and Management at the Harvard Business School and a nationally recognized expert in leadership. She is the author of the new book “Right Kind of Wrong: The Science of Failing Well.”</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, Edmondson discusses:</p>
<ul>
<li>The two situations in medicine where it’s both okay and desirable to fail.</li>
<li>How inclusive leaders can make medicine a journey of continuous learning.</li>
<li>The need to create environments of psychological safety.</li>
<li>The failure of the medical education system to create a ‘teaming’ mindset.</li>
<li>The benefits of hierarchy in medicine and the conditions necessary for it to succeed.</li>
<li>Much, much more.</li>
</ul>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/09/27/fhc-107-amy-c-edmonson/">FHC #107: Amy C. Edmonson on ‘failing well’ in medicine</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #106: ZDoggMD on patient anxiety, medical bias &#038; the Barbie movie</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/09/19/fhc-106-zdoggmd/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2023 00:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>He’s back! <strong>Dr. Zubin Damania</strong> (aka ZDoggMD), one of the show’s most popular returning guests, rejoins <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> hosts <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>and <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> for a heartfelt look at the ugly, imperfect and oh-so human side of medicine.</p>
<p>In this episode, the trio discusses:</p>
<ul>
<li>The roots of our anxiety as patients and as clinicians</li>
<li>Why so many Americans put off preventive screenings and treatment for chronic diseases</li>
<li>The fear that haunts so many doctors and nurses: making a mistake</li>
<li>Taking shame out of unconscious bias so that we can honestly discuss solutions for inequitable care</li>
<li>And, as an extension of all these difficult emotions, the men share their thoughts on the hit movie of the summer, Barbie</li>
</ul>
<p>Dr. Z is a UCSF- and Stanford-trained internist and founder of Turntable Health, an innovative primary care clinic and model for Health 3.0. His persona, ZDoggMD, amassed an army of followers—owing to his clever healthcare parody videos and cutting take on modern medicine.</p>
<p>Hit the play button to start the episode or check out more background about our guest via the links below.</p>
<p><strong>Helpful links: </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://zdoggmd.com/category/incident-report/">The Incident Report: ZDoggMD’s Live Show </a></li>
<li><a href="https://zdoggmd.com/">ZDoggMD’s website: Health 3.0 </a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/10/11/episode-26-zdoggmd-culture/">ZDoggMD diagnoses the culture of medicine</a> (on Fixing Healthcare)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/08/08/episode-1-zdoggmd/">ZDoggMD has a plan to fix American healthcare</a> (on Fixing Healthcare)</li>
</ul>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/09/19/fhc-106-zdoggmd/">FHC #106: ZDoggMD on patient anxiety, medical bias &#038; the Barbie movie</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #105: Diving deep into the good, bad and ugly of U.S. healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/09/12/fhc-105-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2023 21:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Albert Einstein pointed out that time is relative. And when it comes to healthcare, five years can feel like a long <em>and</em> short amount of time.</p>
<p>That’s certainly true of this podcast, which began five years ago and recently eclipsed 100 episodes. During that time, this show has welcomed dozens of world-renowned experts, both inside and outside the healthcare arena. Cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr have engaged in difficult yet meaningful conversations with the likes of Malcolm Gladwell, Eric Topol, Don Berwick, Jen Gunter, Lisa Sanders, Zeke Emanuel and many others.</p>
<p>Their hope was that spotlighting big ideas and bold solutions would have a positive impact on American medicine. In this episode of <strong><em>Diving Deep</em></strong>, the hosts look back and examine how healthcare has improved (“the good”)—and how American medicine has become more problematic (“the bad” and “the ugly”).</p>
<p>The second half of today’s show focuses on the future. If the kinds of bold solutions featured on <strong><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></strong> are proving too big and audacious to implement, then which actions stand a reasonable chance of healing healthcare quickly (in the next five years) and affordably?</p>
<p>Click play to learn more or check out the various links below for additional information.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/american-healthcare-good-bad-ugly-future-robert-pearl-m-d-/?trackingId=NTP0%2B0B4Sh62LUUi08HGvQ%3D%3D">American healthcare: The good, bad, ugly, future</a> (LinkedIn Pulse)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/09/06/healing-healthcare-repairing-the-last-5-years-of-damage/?sh=5a6f483b69c0">Healing Healthcare: Repairing The Last 5 Years Of Damage</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/03/20/15-innovative-ideas-for-fixing-healthcare-from-15-brilliant-minds/?sh=28188a064b3a">15 Innovative Ideas For Fixing Healthcare From 15 Brilliant Minds</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/09/12/fhc-105-diving-deep/">FHC #105: Diving deep into the good, bad and ugly of U.S. healthcare</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #76: Can Rx weight-loss drugs help prevent heart attacks, too?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/09/06/mtt-76/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2023 21:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The weight-loss drug Wegovy reduces serious heart disease, the nation’s No. 1 cause of death, according to a new clinical trial.</p>
<p>Proponents of the drug describe this finding as an added bonus to the drug’s prescribed purpose: shedding excess pounds.</p>
<p>In a nation where 60% of the population is obese or overweight and where 600,000+ die from cardiovascular events each year, the question is how can we afford <em>not</em> to prescribe more of these lifesaving medications?</p>
<p>The answer is complicated, says podcast cohost <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong></a>, who explains that the cost of drugs in the U.S. remains disproportionately higher than in all other nations. The price of Ozempic (another drug known to assist with weight-loss) costs five times more in the United States than in Japan and 10 times more than in most European nations.</p>
<p>When it comes to paying for drugs that could make a huge difference in our nation’s health, who’s on the hook? That question and many others are answered on this episode of “<a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Medicine: The Truth</strong></a><strong>.</strong>”</p>
<p>Also featured on today’s program:</p>
<ul>
<li>The newest coronavirus variant: the most-transmissible yet?</li>
<li>A newly approved medication for post-partum depression</li>
<li>Why middleclass families have the nation’s highest medical debt</li>
<li>Measuring the medical performance of AI vs. doctors</li>
<li>Striking the right balance when regulating drugmakers</li>
<li>The folly of BMI (body mass index) calculations</li>
<li>Right arm or left: Does it matter when getting Covid vaccinations?</li>
<li>Using pig kidneys for humans in need of a transplant</li>
<li>The new leading cause of death for America’s kids</li>
<li>The cost imbalance of weight-loss drugs in U.S. vs. elsewhere</li>
<li>Reflecting on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/08/29/fhc-104-robert-burgelman/"> Robert Burgelman’s appearance on FHC</a></li>
<li>The unending debate over physician autonomy</li>
<li>Biden places 10 drugs on discount list for Medicare negotiations</li>
</ul>
<p>Click here for more info: <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/">https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/</a></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/09/06/mtt-76/">MTT #76: Can Rx weight-loss drugs help prevent heart attacks, too?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #104: Robert Burgelman on strategic leadership in healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/08/29/fhc-104-robert-burgelman/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2023 01:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Robert Burgelman is the Edmund W. Littlefield Professor of Management and the Director of the Executive Program at the Stanford Graduate School of Business.</p>
<p>As a worldwide expert on strategy, Burgelman has authored multiple books on leadership and consulted with more than 100 companies around the globe.</p>
<p>Throughout the program, Burgelman:</p>
<ul>
<li>Helps healthcare leaders understand the tools needed to visualize change and make it happen.</li>
<li>Describes how leaders can effectively guide organizations through periods of crisis and difficult change.</li>
<li>Advises on how to avoid getting distracted by “shiny new things” and, instead, focus on the most-effective (often unsexy) solutions.</li>
<li>Discusses the merits and potential downsides of private equity’s involvement in U.S. medical care.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Listener note: </strong><em>Given Dr. Burgelman’s high-level focus on strategy, today’s episode will include occasional interjections from cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr to link the material to the day-to-day experiences of healthcare professionals and patients.  </em></p>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/08/29/fhc-104-robert-burgelman/">FHC #104: Robert Burgelman on strategic leadership in healthcare</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #103: Too much or not enough in American healthcare?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/08/22/fhc-103-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2023 01:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This “Unfiltered” episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> welcomes back <strong>Dr. Jonathan Fisher</strong>, a respected cardiologist and renowned advocate for physician well-being, for a fascinating debate about American healthcare.</p>
<p>Alongside cohost <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong>, <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> kicks off the conversation with this observational question:</p>
<p>“There are two views about American healthcare. There are some who point to the massive U.S. expense compared to other countries and view it through the lens of abundance. Then there are those who see tens of millions of people who can’t access care, and the day-to-day stresses on clinicians, and view it through the lens of scarcity. What do we have too much of in American medicine today? And what do we have too little of?”</p>
<p>Dr. Fisher concludes that, as a practicing cardiologist, he and his colleagues have too many patients on their schedule and too little time to spend with them. Too much “administrative burden” (paperwork and computer filings) and too many costs to patients, which leads to too much uncertainty about what patients are paying for and what to expect. Too much stress and not enough high-quality care or access to physicians and mental-healthcare professionals.</p>
<p>In this episode, the trio discusses who can correct these healthcare imbalances and how, what AI can do to help clinicians,</p>
<p>To discover more, press play and check out these helpful links:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1636760007?ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_GA7MCSWDXH3GP7N22TCY"><strong>Presale: ‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s new book)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2022/08/15/these-3-healthcare-threats-will-do-more-damage-than-covid-19/?sh=371a08c75165">These 3 Healthcare Threats Will Do More Damage Than Covid-19</a></strong> (Forbes)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2022/09/12/saving-us-healthcare-from-a-disaster-worse-than-covid-19/?sh=3adbcd375ee2">Saving US Healthcare From Disaster</a></strong> (Forbes)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/03/20/15-innovative-ideas-for-fixing-healthcare-from-15-brilliant-minds/?sh=3a5c9fa04b3a">15 Innovative Ideas For Fixing Healthcare From 15 Brilliant Minds</a></strong> (Forbes)</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/6886483197157285888/">Breaking The Rules Of Healthcare</a></strong> (LinkedIn)</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p><em> </em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/08/22/fhc-103-unfiltered/">FHC #103: Too much or not enough in American healthcare?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #102: Diving deep into value-based care and the need for ‘system-ness’</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/08/15/fhc-102-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2023 01:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Time and again, researchers have confirmed that the American healthcare system is ineffective, too expensive and falling further behind its international peers in critical measures of performance.</p>
<p>In this episode of <strong><em>Diving Deep</em></strong>, cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr go in search of medicine’s holy grail: the provision of higher quality care that’s more convenient and more affordable—all at once. In short, this episode focuses on the quest for <strong>value-based care</strong>.</p>
<p>The journey begins as our hosts explore the recent mega-merger between Kaiser Permanente and Geisinger Health. Could this union help spark a national value-based care movement? Or is that kind of transformative change likelier to come from one of healthcare’s newer entrants (among the most imposing are the retail giants: Amazon, Walmart and CVS).</p>
<p>Other questions answered on today’s show: What are the biggest difficulties Kaiser and Geisinger will need to overcome? What are the hurdles the retail giants will need to overcome to topple healthcare’s incumbent powers? How does system-ness fit into the equation? Why is capitation so important? And which organization(s) will emerge as healthcare’s next superpower?</p>
<p>Click play to learn more or check out the various links below for additional information.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/991610">Kaiser Permanente Acquires Geisinger Health in $5 Billion Mega-Deal</a> (Medscape)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/07/17/value-based-healthcare-battle-kaiser-geisinger-vs-amazon-cvs-walmart/?sh=7db53fc6417b">Value-Based Healthcare Battle: Kaiser-Geisinger Vs. Amazon, CVS, Walmart</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/07/24/retail-giants-vs-health-systems-fight-will-come-down-to-systemness/?sh=332b49c74601">Retail Giants Vs. Health Systems: Fight Will Come Down To ‘System-ness’</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-kaisers-acquisition-geisinger-means-us-all-robert-pearl-m-d-/">What Kaiser’s Acquisition of Geisinger Means for All of Us</a> (LinkedIn)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/08/15/fhc-102-diving-deep/">FHC #102: Diving deep into value-based care and the need for ‘system-ness’</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #101: Sachin Jain on the leadership crisis in American healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/08/07/fhc-101-sachin-jain/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2023 03:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Sachin Jain joins the podcast for the first time to talk about leadership in American healthcare. And his diagnosis is grim.</p>
<p>“In American healthcare, we’ve lost our ethical and moral compass,” Jain says. “We say we’re about one thing and we do other things. And I think we’re all complicit in this leadership crisis because not only do we not acknowledge our own failings, but we also fail to acknowledge the failings of each other.”</p>
<p>Early in his career, Jain held leadership positions in both the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) and the Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology. More recently, he served as president and CEO of the CareMore Health System for five years and is now President and CEO of the SCAN Group &amp; Health Plan, one of the nation’s largest not-for-profit Medicare Advantage plans.</p>
<p>In this interview, hosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>ask Jain to discuss the problem of physician burnout (and how to bring about change at a time of low morale), the AI revolution and the threat of automating clinicians, the failings of American medical education, and much more.</p>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/08/07/fhc-101-sachin-jain/">FHC #101: Sachin Jain on the leadership crisis in American healthcare</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #75: Original Medicare or Medicare Advantage?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/08/01/mtt-75-medicare-advantage/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2023 21:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>More Americans over the age of 65 are now selecting Medicare Advantage over traditional Medicare for their health insurance coverage, according to the U.S. Congressional Budget Office (CBO).</p>
<p>What’s more, Medicare Advantage is expected to widen its lead in the years to come—projected to cover 60% of the eligible senior population by the year 2030.</p>
<p>It’s a major win for the “little brother” that blossomed out of a Congressional effort in the 1990s to improve the quality of Medicare-provided medical care while also lowering costs, says podcast cohost <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong></a>.</p>
<p>Unlike Original Medicare, which is government-provided health insurance, Medicare Advantage plans are administered by private insurers. Medicare Advantage plans also include extra benefits like out-of-pocket maximums, dental or hearing coverage, and even fitness stipends. While there are many differences between the two options, the most important, according to Dr. Pearl, is how these programs pay hospitals and healthcare professionals to provide care.</p>
<p>On this episode of “Medicine: The Truth,” Dr. Pearl explains why “capitation” sets Medicare Advantage apart from traditional Medicare, which is a “fee-for-service” program. Anyone who’s 65+ or nearing that age should tune in for the full conversation. As always, Dr. Pearl and Jeremy Corr eagerly follow the facts, uncover the truth, and help listeners understand the world’s biggest medical stories.</p>
<p>Also featured on today’s program:</p>
<ul>
<li>The FDA grants full approval for a new Alzheimer’s drug</li>
<li>The safety and cost of weight-loss drugs like Ozempic</li>
<li>Over-the-counter birth-control pills are coming</li>
<li>The dwindling number of private-practice physicians</li>
<li>New data on opioid addiction and overdose</li>
<li>A new RSV drug for newborns</li>
<li>Avoiding a repeat of the “triple-demic” later this year</li>
<li>The medical implications of global warming</li>
<li>A Pew Research poll on the cost of healthcare</li>
<li>The difference between generics and biosimilars</li>
<li>A breakthrough in the global fight against malaria</li>
</ul>
<p>Click here for more info: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/">https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/</a></p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/08/01/mtt-75-medicare-advantage/">MTT #75: Original Medicare or Medicare Advantage?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #100: Diving deep into weight-loss drugs + toxic leadership</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/07/25/fhc-100-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2023 23:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the 100th episode of Fixing Healthcare. To kick things off, hosts <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> and <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> are taking the opportunity to examine what has improved (and, notably, hasn’t improved) in healthcare since this podcast began five years ago.</p>
<p>Leading off, Dr. Pearl shares:</p>
<ul>
<li>Three things that are better now in healthcare, during episode 100, than during episode 1 (which aired in August 2018)</li>
<li>Three aspects of healthcare that have become worse</li>
<li>Three things that remain the same</li>
</ul>
<p>That discussion is followed by a look at two important healthcare topics. The first is the use of Ozempic, a diabetes drug, for weight loss. Dr. Pearl’s recent op-ed on the topic, called for the U.S. government to fund the development of a new *affordable* class of weight-loss medications to tackle the U.S. obesity epidemic.</p>
<p>To close out the show, Pearl then shares five toxic leadership traits in healthcare—each inspired by a character on the hit HBO show Succession. You won’t want to miss his insightful breakdown.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong><a href="https://thefulcrum.us/government-can-solve-americas-obesity-epidemic">How the government can solve America&#8217;s obesity epidemic</a></strong> (op-ed syndicated in 50+ papers)</li>
<li><strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/06/26/5-fatal-flaws-of-healthcare-leaders-inspired-by-hbos-succession/?sh=1e1bf661d116">5 Fatal Flaws Of Healthcare Leaders: Inspired By HBO’s ‘Succession’</a> </strong>(Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/03/20/15-innovative-ideas-for-fixing-healthcare-from-15-brilliant-minds/?sh=349c0d584b3a"><strong>15 Innovative Ideas For Fixing Healthcare From 15 Brilliant Minds</strong></a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><strong><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> </strong>(Robert Pearl’s free newsletter)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/07/25/fhc-100-diving-deep/">FHC #100: Diving deep into weight-loss drugs + toxic leadership</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #99: Why is healthcare so expensive and who will fix it?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/07/18/fhc-99-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2023 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This “Unfiltered” episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> welcomes back <strong>Dr. Jonathan Fisher</strong>, a respected cardiologist and renowned advocate for physician well-being.</p>
<p>Alongside cohost <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong>, <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> kicks off the conversation by noting that a growing number of healthcare conferences focus on clinician burnout, including several events hosted by Dr. Fisher, which strive to relievie the pain doctors and nurses experience daily. And, simultaneously, Pearl cites the pain of patients who are, increasingly, unable to afford the cost of health insurance and healthcare.</p>
<p>“A potential solution to both problems,” says Dr. Pearl, “is through added productivity in healthcare.”</p>
<p>And this leads us to the show’s central question: “Is there a role for doctors and nurses to provide excellence in medical care at lower costs, or is that someone else’s responsibility?”</p>
<p>Fisher responds: “The question really triggers physicians and it’s because of the way we define productivity. The traditional definition, if you ask all the productivity experts, is doing more. The question is not ‘how can you do more with less?’ but rather ‘how can you be part of the solution?’”</p>
<p>To learn more, press play and check out these helpful links:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1636760007?ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_GA7MCSWDXH3GP7N22TCY"><strong>Presale: ‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s new book)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/heart-surgeon-leading-from-humanleaders/"><strong>A Cardiologist on Leading From the Heart</strong></a> (‘Human Leaders’ on LinkedIn)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2022/10/24/brain-heart-spine-the-anatomy-of-healthcare-leadership/?sh=29ab9b6a10e7"><strong>Brain, Heart, Spine: The Anatomy of Healthcare Leadership</strong></a> (Forbes)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/07/17/value-based-healthcare-battle-kaiser-geisinger-vs-amazon-cvs-walmart/?sh=642793c36417"><strong>Value-Based Healthcare Battle</strong></a> (Forbes)</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/07/18/fhc-99-unfiltered/">FHC #99: Why is healthcare so expensive and who will fix it?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #98: Don Berwick on leadership, greed + a promising youth movement</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/07/10/fhc-98-don-berwick/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2023 21:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Returning to the Fixing Healthcare podcast for a third time is Dr. Don Berwick, here to talk about the dire need for leadership to address our nation’s many healthcare crises.</p>
<p>Returning to the Fixing Healthcare podcast is Dr. Don Berwick. He offers frank words about the dire need for medical leadership to address our nation’s many healthcare crises.</p>
<p>Don is the former president and CEO of the <a href="https://www.ihi.org/"><strong>Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI)</strong></a> and led the organization’s <a href="https://www.ihi.org/Engage/Initiatives/Completed/5MillionLivesCampaign/Documents/Overview%20of%20the%20100K%20Campaign.pdf"><strong>100,000 Lives Campaign</strong></a>. He’s the former administrator of the Centers for Medicare &amp; Medicaid Services (CMS).</p>
<p>In this interview, hosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>ask Don to discuss what is holding back healthcare leadership from instituting meaningful change and from kicking off what Don describes as a necessary “revolution.”</p>
<p>The discussion leads to the incumbents of healthcare—pharma, health insurance, hospital system execs, etc.—and why they do well when healthcare fails to improve. Don opines on private vs. public care, a global movement toward integrated care systems and the ways ChatGPT can support the “frail memory” of individual physicians.</p>
<p>Tune in for the full interview and join the conversation on social media.</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/07/10/fhc-98-don-berwick/">FHC #98: Don Berwick on leadership, greed + a promising youth movement</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #97: Fixing Healthcare flashback with Malcolm Gladwell</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/07/04/fhc-97-malcolm-gladwell/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2023 17:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>As Americans everywhere gather around their BBQ grills and gaze up at fireworks, <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> hosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>revisit an important episode from the show’s current season, featuring the brilliant author and observer <strong>Malcolm Gladwell</strong>.</p>
<p>July 4th is a celebration of independence, but it also is a day to recognize the vital role leadership plays. Without courageous and skilled leaders, the Declaration of Independence and the founding of our nation would not have been possible. Medicine would benefit from visionary leaders, as well—the kind capable of translating healthcare opportunities into practice.</p>
<p>In this episode, which aired during a season dedicated to improving healthcare leadership in the United States, Gladwell got to talking about his own experiences navigating the nation’s trouble health system.</p>
<p>As a relatively new father and the son of a woman in her 90s, Gladwell said, “Observing people at those ends of life, you realize that what you really want from the healthcare system is reassurance as much as anything … You want someone you can call on the phone or email, and who will respond really quickly and tell you it’s going to be okay.”</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/05/02/fhc-90-malcolm-gladwell/">The original episode</a></strong> (#90 if you’re looking for it) is being played in full this week as part of a <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> flashback.</p>
<p>The purpose? To quote Dr. Pearl: “My hope in replaying these ideas is to help listeners once again realize how much could be done to transform American healthcare and improve people’s lives. And simultaneously, help them recognize how far we are from delivering the excellence in healthcare Americans want, need and deserve.”</p>
<p>Helpful links:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history"><strong>Revisionist History</strong></a><strong> (A Malcolm Gladwell podcast) </strong></li>
<li><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/02/13/fhc-43-malcolm-gladwell/"><strong>Malcolm Gladwell on breaking the rules of healthcare</strong></a><strong> (FHC #43)</strong></li>
<li><a href="https://www.gladwellbooks.com/titles/malcolm-gladwell/outliers/9780316017930/"><strong>Outliers</strong></a><strong> (book) </strong></li>
<li><a href="https://www.gladwellbooks.com/titles/malcolm-gladwell/david-and-goliath/9780316204378/"><strong>David and Goliath</strong></a><strong> (book) </strong></li>
<li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/sports/postscript/the-ordinary-greatness-of-roger-bannister"><strong>The ordinary greatness of Roger Bannister</strong></a><strong> (<em>The New Yorker</em>) </strong></li>
<li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/11/07/was-jack-welch-the-greatest-ceo-of-his-day-or-the-worst"><strong>Was Jack Welch the greatest CEO of his day—or the worst?</strong></a><strong> (<em>The New Yorker</em>)</strong></li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/07/04/fhc-97-malcolm-gladwell/">FHC #97: Fixing Healthcare flashback with Malcolm Gladwell</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #74: A change in the Covid-19 booster? A new Alzheimer’s drug?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/06/27/mtt-74-covid-19-booster/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2023 22:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The FDA moved forward this month with a recommendation to change the composition of Covid-19 boosters in time for fall. Whereas the current vaxx, a cocktail designed to target the original coronavirus and the Omicron strain, will soon give way to a shot aimed at the XBB.1.5 subvariant.</p>
<p>The question on the minds of public-health experts (and likely, soon to be on the minds of patients): Will it make any difference?</p>
<p>On this episode of “Medicine: The Truth,” cohost Dr. Robert Pearl poses two more pressing questions about the new vaccine: Will insurers cover the costs of the new vaccine or will they charge a copayment? And, regardless of the price, how many folks will roll up their sleeves to receive it (compared to last fall)?</p>
<p>In other medication news, another Alzheimer’s drug is expected to receive full FDA approval soon. This one, lecanemab (Leqembi), received conditional approval in January based on its success removing a substance called amyloid-beta from the brains of people in the early stages of Alzheimer&#8217;s.</p>
<p>But this news raises questions, too: How does lecanemab stack up against its controversial predecessor, aducanumab? Will payers like Medicare make it easy or difficult for patients to access and afford the new medication? Does the high price of any Alzheimer’s drug match the health benefits or expected increase in life expectancy?</p>
<p>Hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr discuss these questions and several other pressing healthcare topics, including: the upcoming season of Fixing Healthcare’s focus on end-of-life issues, the latest on a new lung-cancer drug, the current threat of long-COVID and whether the threat is great enough to get more Americans vaccinated and boosted.</p>
<p>Tune in for the full conversation around Covid-19 and a host of healthcare topics. As always, Dr. Pearl and Jeremy eagerly follow the facts, uncover the truth, and help listeners understand how the world’s biggest healthcare stories affect us all. Click here for more info: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/">https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/</a></p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/06/27/mtt-74-covid-19-booster/">MTT #74: A change in the Covid-19 booster? A new Alzheimer’s drug?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #96: Diving deep into the financial crisis of U.S. healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/06/20/fhc-96-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2023 23:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>U.S. healthcare is in financial crisis. Patients are feeling the pain, acutely. Nearly 90 million Americans are enrolled in Medicaid at a time when medical bills have become the leading cause of bankruptcy. As a whole, the U.S. 18% of its GDP on healthcare, nearly twice as much per citizen as any other country. All this, while achieving the worst health outcomes among its 12 richest peers.</p>
<p>As patients grapple with the cost of care, major health systems are fighting their own battles for survival. Last month’s megadeal between Kaiser Permanente (where cohost Robert Pearl spent 18 years as CEO of the medical group) and Geisinger Health is yet another example of healthcare consolidation—one that has industry observers scratching their heads.</p>
<p>In this episode of ‘<strong>Diving Deep</strong>,’ Dr. Robert Pearl discusses these trends with cohost Jeremy Corr as the two dive into the implications of medicine’s rising prices and the acquisition of yet another major hospital system.</p>
<p>Click play to learn more or check out the various links below for additional information.</p>
<h3><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></h3>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/05/15/stuck-in-reverse-how-zigzagging-is-undermining-us-healthcare/?sh=1355174a1f90">The healthcare cost crisis: How zigzagging is hurting America</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/05/31/what-kaisers-acquisition-of-geisinger-means-for-us-all/?sh=7f15149e5796">What Kaiser’s acquisition of Geisinger means for all of us</a> (Forbes)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</a> (Robert Pearl’s newsletter)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBLGK6u2jSo&amp;t=456s">How does Kaiser benefit from the Geisinger deal?</a> (The Health Care Blog)</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/06/20/fhc-96-diving-deep/">FHC #96: Diving deep into the financial crisis of U.S. healthcare</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #95: This cardiologist took care of 20,000 hearts before taking care of his own</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/06/12/fhc-95-cardiologist/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 20:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This Unfiltered episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> welcomes back <strong>Dr. Jonathan Fisher</strong>, a respected cardiologist and renowned advocate for physician well-being.</p>
<p>He joins cohosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> to discuss hard-earned lessons from his upcoming book “Just One Heart: A Cardiologist’s Guide to Healing, Health, and Happiness.”</p>
<p>In this interview, Fisher explains the “<strong>Seven Timeless Traits of the Heart</strong>”: steadiness, wisdom, openness, wholeness, courage, lightness and warmth. Each comprises a chapter in his book, giving readers a set of real-world strategies, exercises and tips for strengthening these qualities of the heart.</p>
<p>Fisher says, “As you strengthen the seven traits of your heart, you will find more health, joy, meaning, and connection in your own life and have the tools to help others do the same.”</p>
<p>To discover more, press play and check out these helpful links:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1636760007?ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_dp_GA7MCSWDXH3GP7N22TCY"><strong>Presale: ‘Just One Heart’</strong></a> (Jonathan Fisher’s new book)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/heart-surgeon-leading-from-humanleaders/"><strong>A Cardiologist on Leading From the Heart</strong></a> (‘Human Leaders’ on LinkedIn)</p>
<p><a href="https://supportnovanthealth.org/meet-the-mindful-heart-doctor/"><strong>Meet ‘the mindful heart doctor’</strong></a> (NHF)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2022/10/24/brain-heart-spine-the-anatomy-of-healthcare-leadership/?sh=29ab9b6a10e7"><strong>Brain, Heart, Spine: The Anatomy of Healthcare Leadership</strong></a> (Forbes)</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #94: Abraham Verghese on ‘The Covenant of Water’ and the practice of medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/06/06/fhc-94-abraham-verghese/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2023 22:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Abraham Verghese is an American physician and Professor of the Theory and Practice of Medicine and Vice Chair of Education at Stanford University Medical School. He is also the author of four best-selling books, two memoirs and two novels.</p>
<p>In his first <strong><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></strong> interview, Verghese talks about his newest work of fiction, “The Covenant of Water,” which sits at No. 4 on the New York Times list and is an Oprah book-club selection. The discussion takes listeners on a journey into the mind of an exceptional physician and writer. Verghese compares his approach to writing vs. medicine and concludes, “the gaze is the same.” And because he sees the world similarly, whether he’s sitting in front of keyboard or a sick patient, he shares a fascinating perspective on  physician leadership, end-of-life care and myriad issues that transcend healthcare.</p>
<p>For more on this interview and Abraham Verghese, check out the <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/FHC-Abraham-Verghese-Transcript.pdf"><strong><u>full interview transcript</u></strong></a> and peruse the helpful links below.</p>
<p><strong>Helpful links:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong><a href="https://www.oprah.com/oprahsbookclub/oprahs-101st-book-club-pick-the-covenant-of-water"> Oprah&#8217;s Book Club Pick: <em>The Covenant of Water</em> by Abraham Verghese</a></strong></li>
<li><a href="https://www.abrahamverghese.org/biography/"><strong>A biography of Abraham Verghese</strong></a> (Abraham’s website)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/953633"><strong>Verghese interviews Dr. Pearl on ‘Medicine And The Machine’</strong></a> (podcast)</li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a new book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.”</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #93: Zeev Neuwirth on the future of healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/05/30/fhc-93-zeev-neuwirth/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2023 02:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Zeev Neuwirth, Clinical Chief of Care Transformation for Atrium Health, returns to the <strong><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></strong> podcast for a tell-all talk about leadership in healthcare: the good, the bad and the nonexistent.</p>
<p>Neuwirth is the author of “Reframing Healthcare” and host of the podcast “Creating A New Healthcare.” His upcoming book “Beyond The Walls: Megatrends, Movements And Market Disruptors Transforming American Healthcare” will hit bookshelves this fall. It is, in many ways, a collection of insights from the foremost leaders in American medicine.</p>
<p>He joins Dr. Robert Pearl, a longtime healthcare executive and physician leader, and Jeremy Corr, CEO of Executive Podcast Solutions, to share what he has learned about effective leadership and what it will take to lift our nation’s healthcare system “over the wall” of traditional, inefficient, inconvenient and overly in-person medical care.</p>
<h3><strong>Helpful links:</strong></h3>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Walls-MegaTrends-Disruptors-Transforming/dp/1642253820"><strong>Beyond the Walls: MegaTrends, Movements and Market Disruptors Transforming American Healthcare</strong></a> (Amazon pre-order)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.creatinganewhealthcare.com/"><strong>Creating A New Healthcare</strong></a> (Zeev’s podcast)</li>
<li><a href="https://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.pn.2018.1b12"><strong>Can A Consumer Approach Transform American Medicine? </strong></a>(Psychiatric News)</li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2019/10/01/american-healthcare-2040/?sh=7ae6162671b0"><strong>It’s 2040: How Did U.S. Medicine Become Best In The World?</strong></a> (Forbes)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a new book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.”</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>MTT #73: #CovidIsNotOver or is it?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/05/23/mtt-73-covidisnotover-or-is-it/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2023 19:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode of “Medicine: The Truth” (formerly “Coronavirus: The Truth”) looks at the end of the Covid-19 pandemic on the same day that the Twitter hashtag <strong><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23CovidIsNotOver&amp;src=trend_click&amp;vertical=trends">#CovidIsNotOver</a></strong> is trending.</p>
<p>This month, both the U.S. government and the World Health Organization made decisive statements on the transition out of a global crisis.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is time for countries to transition from emergency mode to managing Covid-19 alongside other infectious diseases,” said WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus. In support of that statement, Covid-19 deaths continue to fall and may soon dip below 1,000 weekly mortalities, which would put the virus’ annual mortality in the same range as seasonal flu and traffic accidents.</p>
<p>Still, more than 1.1 million Americans have died from the virus while many more live with comprised immune systems and, therefore, remain at heightened risk from infection. These troubling figures leave us with difficult questions.</p>
<p>How many Covid-19 deaths could have been avoided? Why did Black and Hispanic individuals die from Covid-19 more frequently than white and Asian people? Are we any safer or better prepared for the next pandemic?</p>
<p>Hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr discuss these questions and several other pressing healthcare topics, including: a major change in the recommended age for mammogram screenings,  the DEA’s plan to reduce deaths from opioid addiction and overdose, and new about FDA advisors backing over-the-counter birth control pills.</p>
<p>Tune in for the full conversation around Covid-19 and a host of healthcare topics. As always, Dr. Pearl and Jeremy eagerly follow the facts, uncover the truth, and help listeners understand how the world’s biggest healthcare stories affect us all. Click here for more info: <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/">https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/</a></strong></p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #92: Diving deep into the future of AI in medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/05/16/fhc-92-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2023 23:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Since ChatGPT burst onto the tech scene in November 2022, the generative AI application has become one of the hottest topics in the world—and in the world of medicine, especially.</p>
<p>Fixing Healthcare cohost Dr. Robert Pearl is a recognized med-tech leader whose insights and perspectives on generative AI have appeared in <em>USA Today</em>, <em>MSN</em>, <em>Wired</em>, <em>Global News</em>, <em>MedPage Today</em>, <em>Modern Healthcare</em>, <em>Becker’s Hospital Review</em> and on SiriusXM.</p>
<p>In this episode of ‘<strong>Diving Deep</strong>,’ Pearl tackles your questions about ChatGPT and its potential uses in medical care. He responds to dozens of listeners who have asked about the safety, security and potential risks of ChatGPT and other generative AI in healthcare.</p>
<p>Among the questions answered on today’s show: Will generative AI be HIPAA compliant and secure? Will it help with home health? How will it impact the doctor-patient relationship? Click play to learn more or check out the various links below for additional information.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/04/24/chatgpts-use-in-medicine-raises-questions-of-security-privacy-bias/?sh=14879f175373">ChatGPT’s Use In Medicine Raises Questions Of Security, Privacy, Bias</a> (Forbes)</strong></li>
<li><strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/05/08/will-chatgpt-wreck-or-rekindle-the-doctor-patient-relationship/?sh=5a2791b27b81">Will Generative AI Wreck Or Rekindle The Doctor-Patient Relationship?</a> (Forbes)</strong></li>
<li><strong><a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2023/02/26/chatgpt-medical-care-doctors/11253952002/">ChatGPT is poised to upend medical information. For better and worse.</a> (USA Today)</strong></li>
<li><strong><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/chatgpt-can-help-doctors-and-hurt-patients/">ChatGPT Can Help Doctors—and Hurt Patients</a> (WIRED)</strong></li>
<li><strong><a href="https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/wellness/a-doctor-s-new-sidekick-how-chatgpt-may-change-the-role-of-physicians/ar-AA1ay3Zh">How ChatGPT may change the role of physicians</a> (MSN via Global News)</strong></li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #91: An unfiltered look at what AI can (and cannot) do</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/05/09/fhc-91-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2023 20:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This Unfiltered episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> welcomes back <strong>Dr. Jonathan Fisher</strong>, a respected cardiologist and renowned advocate for physician well-being.</p>
<p>He joins cohosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> to discuss the lines between human and machine.</p>
<p>ChatGPT is constantly challenging our understanding of what generative AI can accomplish. From acing medical-licensing tests to coding entire websites from simple prompts and even simulating talented musicians like Drake and Weeknd, the question now is: what <em>can’t</em> AI do?</p>
<p>Dr. Pearl posits that the singularity—a once-hypothetical future point at which technological growth becomes uncontrollable—may be nearing. Dr. Fisher points out that humans tend to overestimate their abilities and, therefore, are overlooking the many limitations of the human mind.</p>
<p>These observations dovetail with humanity’s existing anti-tech biases. Take self-driving cars, for example. Pearl notes that humans are often outraged when an autonomous vehicle kills a pedestrian and, yet, rarely is our outrage targeted at the 50,000 human-generated auto deaths that occur each year.</p>
<p>How will this thinking, and our very human biases, apply to medicine—both for patients and doctors?</p>
<p>To discover more, press play and check out these helpful links:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.npr.org/2023/04/21/1171032649/ai-music-heart-on-my-sleeve-drake-the-weeknd"><strong>When you realize your favorite new song was performed by &#8230; AI</strong></a> (NPR)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/apr/28/ai-has-better-bedside-manner-than-some-doctors-study-finds"><strong>AI has better ‘bedside manner’ than some doctors, study finds</strong></a> (The Guardian)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/chatgpt-wreck-rekindle-doctor-patient-relationship-robert-pearl-m-d-/"><strong>Will generative AI wreck or rekindle the doctor-patient relationship?</strong></a> (LinkedIn)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/chatgpt-can-help-doctors-and-hurt-patients/"><strong>ChatGPT can help doctors—and hurt patients</strong></a> (Wired)</p>
<p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/04/24/chatgpts-use-in-medicine-raises-questions-of-security-privacy-bias/?sh=52098cb25373"><strong>ChatGPT’s raises questions of medical security, privacy, bias</strong></a> (Forbes)</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #90: Malcolm Gladwell on a new kind of healthcare leader</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/05/02/fhc-90-malcolm-gladwell/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2023 19:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Malcolm Gladwell—author of “Outliers: The Story Of Success” and “David and Goliath: Underdogs, Misfits, and the Art of Battling Giants”—knows a thing or two about good leaders and bad ones. His insights on leadership blanket his popular books, articles and speeches.</p>
<p>He also knows a thing or two about navigating the American healthcare system. As a relatively new father and the son of a woman in her 90s, Gladwell says, “Observing people at those ends of life, you realize that what you really want from the healthcare system is reassurance as much as anything … You want someone you can call on the phone or email, and who will respond really quickly and tell you it’s going to be okay.”</p>
<p>In this episode of <strong><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></strong>, Gladwell combines his passion for codifying and analyzing effective leadership with his healthcare experiences to prescribe a new path forward.</p>
<p>He joins Robert Pearl, a longtime physician leader and healthcare CEO,  and Jeremy Corr, CEO of Executive Podcast Solutions, for a sprawling discussion about blazing new trails in medicine—from hospital C-suites to physician offices to the AI systems that will undoubtedly impact the future of medical care.</p>
<h5><strong>Helpful links:</strong></h5>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history"><strong>Revisionist History</strong></a><strong> (A Malcolm Gladwell podcast) </strong></li>
<li><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/02/13/fhc-43-malcolm-gladwell/"><strong>Malcolm Gladwell on breaking the rules of healthcare</strong></a><strong> (FHC #43)</strong></li>
<li><a href="https://www.gladwellbooks.com/titles/malcolm-gladwell/outliers/9780316017930/"><strong>Outliers</strong></a><strong> (book) </strong></li>
<li><a href="https://www.gladwellbooks.com/titles/malcolm-gladwell/david-and-goliath/9780316204378/"><strong>David and Goliath</strong></a><strong> (book) </strong></li>
<li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/sports/postscript/the-ordinary-greatness-of-roger-bannister"><strong>The ordinary greatness of Roger Bannister</strong></a><strong> (<em>The New Yorker</em>) </strong></li>
<li><a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/11/07/was-jack-welch-the-greatest-ceo-of-his-day-or-the-worst"><strong>Was Jack Welch the greatest CEO of his day—or the worst?</strong></a><strong> (<em>The New Yorker</em>) </strong></li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a new book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.”</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>MTT #72: The Covid-19 pandemic is over! Did anyone notice?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/04/25/mtt-72-the-pandemic-is-over/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2023 23:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>On today’s episode of “<strong>Medicine: The Truth</strong>” (formerly “Coronavirus: The Truth”), hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr tackle more of healthcare’s hottest issues and biggest problems.</p>
<p>Today’s show begins with the “end” of the Covid-19 pandemic. This month, the Biden administration signed a bipartisan congressional resolution to end the national emergency declaration that began in March 2020 under then-president Trump. Pearl points out that the official White House notice brought the pandemic to a rather anticlimactic conclusion. After more than 1,000 days of “emergency,” there were no fireworks, no parades, nothing to celebrate a moment for which our nation waited years.</p>
<p>Pearl and Corr then take a step-back look at our nation’s Covid-19 response, offering perspective by comparing it with other high-level government failures.</p>
<p>“When I think of conflicts that ended poorly for the U.S., like Vietnam or Iraq, the conclusions of those wars were treated similarly to how the end of the Covid-19 emergency declaration was handled,” observed Pearl who then asks his cohost, “Do you think the lack of enthusiasm shown by how the government managed the official conclusion to the pandemic reflected a sense of failure or just an acknowledgement that Americans put the pandemic in the rearview mirror months earlier?”</p>
<p>Tune in for the full conversation around Covid-19 and a host pressing healthcare topics. As always, Dr. Pearl and Jeremy eagerly follow the facts, uncover the truth, and help listeners understand how the world’s biggest healthcare stories affect us all. Click here for more info: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/">https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/.</a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #89: Diving deep into medical regulations and monopolies</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/04/18/fhc-89-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2023 01:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Healthcare regulations have played an essential role in our nation’s health and safety. The FDA has, historically, protected the public from harmful food and medications. The DEA has prevented and investigated illicit drugs. CMS, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid, has regulated the healthcare system for seniors and people in need.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr discuss the role of regulators in the context of modern-day healthcare. They find that these regulatory bodies are in a position now to do more harm than good thanks to outdated thinking about technology and present-day healthcare delivery.</p>
<p>In this episode of <strong>Diving Deep</strong>, Pearl and Corr also return to a previous topic: the conglomerate of healthcare monopolies: hospitals, drug companies, insurer. These players wield tremendous power. But none is poised to win healthcare&#8217;s long game. The duo concludes today’s show by explaining who will control the “monopoly” board in five to 10 years.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/04/10/outdated-thinking-by-healthcare-regulators-will-cost-american-lives/?sh=7bdf1b0b57d5">Healthcare Regulators’ Outdated Thinking Will Cost American Lives</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/03/27/in-healthcares-game-of-monopoly-one-player-will-control-the-board/?sh=46af2f4521c9">In Healthcare’s Game Of Monopoly, One Player Will Control The Board</a></li>
</ul>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/04/18/fhc-89-diving-deep/">FHC #89: Diving deep into medical regulations and monopolies</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #88: Good healthcare leaders vs. bad healthcare leaders</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/04/11/fhc-88-ian-morrison/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2023 03:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast welcomes back <strong>Ian Morrison. </strong>He is a globalist, futurist and popular returning guest who, in Season 1, taught us that “<a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2019/01/07/episode-6-ian-morrison/"><strong>every healthcare system sucks in its own unique way</strong></a>.”</p>
<p>Now in Season 8, podcast cohosts <strong>Jeremy Corr </strong>and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> ask Ian to focus on leadership—how doctors, government officials and others can bring about meaningful change in the U.S. healthcare system. He highlights leaders who have driven healthcare improvement and ones who have stood in the way. And he describes what our nation will need to do in order to develop the leaders of tomorrow.</p>
<ul>
<li><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2019/01/07/episode-6-ian-morrison/">FHC episode 6: Every healthcare system sucks in its own unique way </a></strong></li>
<li><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/03/13/fhc-45-ian-morrison/">FHC episode 45: Drs. Alexa and Siri? A healthcare futurist weighs in.</a></strong></li>
<li><strong><a href="https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/97277">Large Employers Are Suiting Up to Fix Healthcare (Medpage Today)</a></strong></li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/04/11/fhc-88-ian-morrison/">FHC #88: Good healthcare leaders vs. bad healthcare leaders</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #87: An unfiltered look at death, medicine’s No. 1 villain</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/04/04/fhc-87-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2023 23:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This Unfiltered episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> features Dr. Jonathan Fisher, a respected cardiologist and renowned advocate for physician well-being. He joins cohosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl to discuss a pair of difficult topics in medicine: death and love.</p>
<p>To begin, Dr. Pearl asks Dr. Fisher to elaborate on why physicians find it so difficult to accept death as a natural part of life. Later, Pearl describes a patient who suffered greatly as a result of physicians continuing to provide treatments with no hope for cure or a return to normal. He wonders if patients and physicians alike would benefit from a measurement of the pain and discomfort inflicted on patients in their course of dying.</p>
<p>In the second half of the podcast, the two talk about the post-apocalyptic HBO series <em>The Last Of Us</em>. The doctors both found the show powerful and filled with high drama. But they were moved most by the love that characters demonstrated in the face of fear and desperation. They discuss how the themes apply directly to healthcare today and to the Covid-19 pandemic. Warning: minor spoiler alters.</p>
<p>To find out more, press play and check out these helpful links:</p>
<p><a href="https://physiciansonpurpose.libsyn.com/ep10-dealing-with-grief-and-shame-with-jonathan-fisher-md"><strong>Dealing with grief and shame—with Dr. Jonathan Fisher </strong></a></p>
<p><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/uncaring-exceprt-death-and-dying/"><strong>Life’s most difficult decision: An excerpt from ‘Uncaring’</strong></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2013/09/19/the-best-medicine-for-patients-the-truth/"><strong>The best medicine for patients: The truth </strong></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oNUnssjEfs"><strong>Interview: How the culture of medicine kills doctors and patients </strong></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2022/03/14/breaking-the-rules-of-healthcare-following-the-science/"><strong>Breaking The Rules Of Healthcare: Following The Science</strong></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/04/04/fhc-87-unfiltered/">FHC #87: An unfiltered look at death, medicine’s No. 1 villain</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #71: Why is this drug 19-times more expensive than it was in 2007?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/03/29/mtt-71-drug-19-times-more-expensive/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2023 13:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>On today’s episode of “<strong>Medicine: The Truth</strong>” (formerly “Coronavirus: The Truth”), hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr tackle more of healthcare’s hottest issues and biggest problems.</p>
<p>In this show, the hosts discuss the promise (and pitfalls) of generative AI and its future applications in medicine. Are patients ready to get their diagnoses and treatment plans from something (like ChatGPT) rather than someone (their doctor)?</p>
<p>The conversation then shifts to the monopolistic controls of drug makers and price-driving approaches that a longtime healthcare CEO and commentator Dr. Pearl says, “even I could never imagine.” Pearl describes a drug that generates $13 billion in revenue for a company that charges $200,000 per patient per year, 19-times more than it cost in 2007.</p>
<p>As always, Dr. Pearl and Jeremy eagerly follow the facts, uncover the truth, and help listeners understand how the world’s biggest healthcare stories affect us all. Click here for more info: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/">https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/</a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/03/29/mtt-71-drug-19-times-more-expensive/">MTT #71: Why is this drug 19-times more expensive than it was in 2007?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #86: Diving deep into GPT-4 (the new ChatGPT) and medicine’s future</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/03/21/fhc-86-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> cohost Dr. Robert Pearl has long been a go-to resource on all-things AI in medicine. His recent insights and perspectives on ChatGPT have appeared in <em>USA Today</em>, <em>MedPage Today</em>, <em>Forbes</em> and other outlets.</p>
<p>In this episode of <strong>Diving Deep</strong>, Jeremy Corr asks Pearl about this new and highly controversial technology. How might it improve hospital care, medical education and patient health – and what are the potential pitfalls? That conversation is immediately followed by a familiar topic, as the hosts dive even deeper in healthcare’s conglomerate of monopolies. This time, they examine private equity-backed doctors and the health insurance industry.</p>
<p>As always, this show probes some of healthcare’s most complex topics and deep-seated problems, delivering thoughtful analysis and solutions. To dive in, press play and peruse the links below.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2023/02/26/chatgpt-medical-care-doctors/11253952002/"><strong>How Will ChatGPT Affect Medical Care? (USA Today)</strong></a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/02/13/5-ways-chatgpt-will-change-healthcare-forever-for-better/?sh=596112f67bfc"><strong>5 Ways ChatGPT Will Change Healthcare Forever, For Better (Forbes)</strong></a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/103616"><strong>GPT-4 Is Here. How Can Doctors Use Generative AI Now? (MedPage Today)</strong></a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/poll-you-down-gpt/"><strong>Poll: You down with ChatGPT? (RobertPearlMD.com)</strong></a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/02/20/private-equity-and-the-monopolization-of-medical-care/?sh=4e384bde2bad"><strong>Private Equity And The Monopolization Of Medical Care (Forbes)</strong></a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/03/13/why-health-insurers-can-but-wont-break-up-medical-monopolies/?sh=f985669c11c1"><strong>Why Health Insurers Can, But Won’t, Break Up Medical Monopolies (Forbes)</strong></a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/6886483197157285888/"><strong>Breaking The Rules Of Healthcare (LinkedIn Newsletter) </strong></a></li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/03/21/fhc-86-diving-deep/">FHC #86: Diving deep into GPT-4 (the new ChatGPT) and medicine’s future</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #85: Dr. Robert Pearl&#8217;s leadership vision for American healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/03/14/fhc-85-dr-robert-pearl/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2023 00:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode,<strong> Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> fields questions from <em>Fixing Healthcare </em>co-host Jeremy Corr about Pearl’s experiences as a healthcare leader, educator, author and columnist.</p>
<p>This season’s focus: How better, bolder leadership can fix American healthcare.</p>
<p>Few know better than Pearl how to turn a struggling healthcare enterprise into a category frontrunner. Under his leadership, Pearl turned Kaiser Permanente into a leader in healthcare technology, quality and patient satisfaction—all while reducing prices. His proven track record and bold vision for the future of medicine represent the gold standard for health systems and primary care organizations across the country.</p>
<p>“Leadership is making things happen that otherwise would not,” says Dr. Pearl. “In broadest terms, leaders create a vision that others can see. Then they align people around that vision. And, finally, they motivate them to move forward.”</p>
<p>Learn more about Pearl’s path from surgeon to healthcare executive and hear his lessons on leadership in this must-hear episode.</p>
<p><strong>Helpful links:</strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/case-studies/dr-robert-pearl-permanente-medical-group-northern-california-lesson">Dr. Robert Pearl and Kaiser Permanente: A Lesson in Strategic Leadership</a> (Stanford)</strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/healthcare-leadership-making-medicine-team-sport-robert-pearl-m-d-/?trk=pulse-article_more-articles_related-content-card">Healthcare leadership: Making medicine a team sport</a> (LinkedIn)</strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2022/10/24/brain-heart-spine-the-anatomy-of-healthcare-leadership/?sh=77e6810710e7">Brain, Heart, Spine: The Anatomy Of Healthcare Leadership</a> (Forbes) </strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ5BtPCJqKQ">Becoming a Senior Physician Leader and the Power of Capitation </a>(YouTube) </strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/healthcare/permanente-ceo-offers-a-career-s-worth-leadership-lessons">Permanente CEO shares leadership lessons learned throughout his career</a> (Fierce Healthcare) </strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a new book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.”</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/03/14/fhc-85-dr-robert-pearl/">FHC #85: Dr. Robert Pearl&#8217;s leadership vision for American healthcare</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #84: ChenMed brothers feel ‘moral imperative’ to give seniors affordable, VIP care</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/03/07/fhc-84-chenmed-brothers/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2023 00:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>About 15 years ago, Dr. James Chen, a Taiwanese immigrant, was diagnosed with cancer. Throughout his treatment, he experienced the kind of fragmented, low-tech care that too many Americans accept as normal. After his recovery, Chen set out to create a new, better primary care system.</p>
<p>Today, his sons <a href="https://www.chenmed.com/about-us/leadership-team"><strong>Christopher and Gordon Chen</strong> </a>carry forth their father’s mission, providing underserved patients (primarily low-income seniors managing multiple chronic conditions) with a level of concierge-style care typically reserved for the wealthy. Chris, now CEO, and his brother Gordon, Chief Medical Officer, now  oversee than 100 medical centers in 15 states.</p>
<p>This is season eight of Fixing Healthcare, which focuses on how leadership can drive transformative improvements in medicine. In this episode, the Chen brothers discuss the future of primary care, the role Medicare Advantage (and capitation) will play, and how their leadership philosophy honors the example set by their father.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS<br />
</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><strong><a href="https://www.beckerspayer.com/contracting/humana-chenmed-ink-5-year-agreement.html">Humana, ChenMed ink 5-year (Medicare Advantage) deal</a></strong> (Becker’s)</li>
<li><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/lessons-disrupting-primary-care/"><strong>Lessons on disrupting primary care</strong> </a>(RobertPearlMD.com)</li>
<li><strong><a href="https://hbr.org/2020/01/managing-the-most-expensive-patients">Managing the most expensive patients</a></strong> (Harvard Business Review)</li>
<li><strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@ChenMed">The ChenMed channel</a></strong> (YouTube)</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/03/07/fhc-84-chenmed-brothers/">FHC #84: ChenMed brothers feel ‘moral imperative’ to give seniors affordable, VIP care</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>MTT #70: Why does U.S. healthcare rank last among wealthy countries (again)?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/02/28/mtt-70/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2023 05:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>On today’s episode of “Medicine: The Truth” (formerly “Coronavirus: The Truth”), hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr tackle healthcare’s hottest issues and biggest problems.</p>
<p>The show begins with a question: Why, according to the Commonwealth Fund, is American healthcare once again in last place, lagging its global peers? For the answer, Dr. Pearl borrows from the world of sports. Whether it’s “blocking and tackling” in football or “the plays you should make” in baseball, American healthcare falls short when it comes to the fundamentals: preventing disease, managing chronic illness, and keeping patients safe and out of the hospital.</p>
<p>In Covid-19 news, Dr. Pearl addresses the latest data out of China. While it has long been assumed the country uncounted its Covid-19 death toll (attributing less than 100,000 fatalities to the virus), analysis of year over year mortality rates indicates the true mortality total is between 1 and 1.5 million. This, despite nearly three years of lockdowns, resulting in major economic difficulties.</p>
<p>As always, Dr. Pearl and Jeremy eagerly follow the facts, uncover the truth, and help listeners understand how the world’s biggest healthcare stories affect us all. Click here for more info: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/">https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/</a></p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/02/28/mtt-70/">MTT #70: Why does U.S. healthcare rank last among wealthy countries (again)?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #83: Diving deep into the many monopolies of U.S. healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/02/21/fhc-83-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2023 04:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In any industry, too much market consolidation limits competition, choice and access to goods and services, all of which drives up prices.</p>
<p>But there’s another—often overlooked—consequence. Market leaders that grow too powerful become complacent. And, when that happens, innovation dies. Healthcare is a prime example.</p>
<p>Welcome to <strong>Diving Deep</strong>. Each month, this show probes some of healthcare’s most complex topics and deep-seated problems, delivering thoughtful analysis and solutions.</p>
<p>Today, hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr explore the many ways healthcare has become monopolized, from hospitals and health systems to the drug industry and beyond. Whether you provide medical care or receive it, you’ll learn much from this conversation. To dive in, press play and peruse the helpful links below.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/01/31/pharma-companies-a-conglomerate-of-monopolies/?sh=4468c4381ce1"><strong>How Drug Companies Monopolize Medicine (Forbes)</strong></a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/01/16/us-healthcare-a-conglomerate-of-monopolies/?sh=72c656d92e4d"><strong>U.S. Healthcare: A Conglomerate Of Monopolies (Forbes)</strong></a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/6886483197157285888/"><strong>Breaking The Rules Of Healthcare (LinkedIn Newsletter) </strong></a></li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/02/21/fhc-83-diving-deep/">FHC #83: Diving deep into the many monopolies of U.S. healthcare</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #82: An unfiltered look at love and life expectancy</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/02/14/fhc-82-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Valentine&#8217;s Day is here—a time to celebrate the heart. In this episode, Drs. Robert Pearl and Zubin Damania (aka ZDoggMD) discuss a series of studies confirming that <a href="https://www.cdc.gov/aging/publications/features/lonely-older-adults.html"><strong>interpersonal relationships</strong></a> (with friends, family, etc.) have the biggest impact on life expectancy and overall wellness.</p>
<p>This raises the question: Is there a role for medicine in addressing this most vital component of health?</p>
<p>At Turntable Health, the primary-care venture Dr. Z founded in Las Vegas, the traditional “waiting room” was converted into a community space where patients could hang out, have conversations, participate in mindfulness classes and even form friendships (in a HIPAA-compliant way, he added).</p>
<p>“We are social creatures and we need others,” says ZDoggMD.</p>
<p>In this Unfiltered episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, cohosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Pearl, along with ZDoggMD, discuss the “L” word, the importance of relationships in good health and how clinicians can set aside denial (a cultural tenet of medicine) and let emotion safely enter in to medical practice.</p>
<p>To find out more, press play and check out these helpful links:</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3150158/">Social Relationships and Health: A Flashpoint for Health Policy</a></strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.cdc.gov/aging/publications/features/lonely-older-adults.html">Loneliness and Social Isolation Linked to Serious Health Conditions</a></strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.psychalive.org/healthy-relationships-matter/">Healthy Relationships Matter More Than We Think</a></strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="https://newsinhealth.nih.gov/2017/02/do-social-ties-affect-our-health">Do Social Ties Affect Our Health?</a></strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqBLoScSYEGctvO3ml3hJEETjDF0n28N9">ZDoggMD’s YouTube playlist on “Consciousness &amp; Mindfulness” </a></strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2017/10/24/primary-care/?sh=350b90d62c0f">How One Clinic Disrupted Primary Care, Made Patients Healthier &amp; Failed</a></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/02/14/fhc-82-unfiltered/">FHC #82: An unfiltered look at love and life expectancy</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #81: Eric Topol on the future of AI, medical education and leadership</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/02/07/fhc-81-eric-topol/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2023 02:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. <strong><a href="https://drerictopol.com/">Eric Topol</a></strong>, now a three-time returning guest on the Fixing Healthcare podcast, discusses 21st-century lessons in leadership.</p>
<p>Topol is the director of the Scripps Research Institute and a professor of molecular medicine. He has published more than 1,200 peer-reviewed articles and serves as the editor-in-chief of Medscape. He has authored three bestselling books including his most recent, “Deep Medicine: How Artificial Intelligence Can Make Healthcare Human Again.”</p>
<p>In this episode, Topol talks about the future of medical leadership and the role of AI (including ChatGPT), genomics research and genome editing, medical education and the retail/pharmacy giants in healthcare.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/02/07/fhc-81-eric-topol/">FHC #81: Eric Topol on the future of AI, medical education and leadership</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>CTT #69: Welcome to our new show ‘Medicine: The Truth’</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/01/31/ctt-69-medicine-the-truth/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2023 03:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>For three years, all eyes (and ears) were turned toward the Covid-19 pandemic. And since early 2020, Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr have hosted the popular podcast “Coronavirus: The Truth.”</p>
<p>That show has cut through the fearmongering and misinformation circulated on social media to bring listeners the truth about the coronavirus—with informed commentary, helpful context and reporting from only the most credible sources. Over the past year, as other medical issues have rivaled this viral pandemic in threat and public interest, the duo have added broader healthcare topics to the show.</p>
<p>Today, “Coronavirus: The Truth” becomes “Medicine: The Truth.” Using the same format, the show will tackle healthcare’s hottest issues and biggest problems—including news and information about Covid-19 when relevant.</p>
<p>As always, Dr. Pearl and Jeremy will follow the facts, uncover the truth, and help listeners understand what’s holding back our nation’s health. Topics will feature the latest medical issues affecting patients and their physicians. The show will explore major public health problems, medical technologies, drug developments, and much more.</p>
<p>Listener note: If you’re currently subscribed to or following <em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em> on Apple, Spotify or any other podcast platform, you don’t have to change a thing. Just sit back and enjoy our new show <em>Medicine: The Truth</em>. If you’re new to the show, you can also hear it by following/subscribing to the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast.</p>
<p>Click here for more info: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/">https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/</a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/01/31/ctt-69-medicine-the-truth/">CTT #69: Welcome to our new show ‘Medicine: The Truth’</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #80: 3 shocking healthcare stats + 3 beneficial healthcare laws</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/01/24/fhc-80-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2023 04:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Without looking it up, how many Americans do you think are enrolled in <strong>Medicaid</strong>, the government-funded program that provides health coverage to low-income adults, children and families?</p>
<p>The answer is one of three shocking healthcare statistics you’ll hear about on today’s program.</p>
<p>Welcome back to <strong>Diving Deep</strong>, the first new episode of the new year. Each month, this show probes some of healthcare’s most complex topics and deep-seated problems.</p>
<p>Today, hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr dive into a topic that’s sure to surprise listeners: three shocking healthcare statistics for 2023. But first, the hosts go inside the newly sworn-in Congress to discuss three viable, beneficial healthcare laws that could (actually) pass over the next two years. To end the show, Dr. Pearl weighs in on what leaders can do, starting in 2023, to fix the mess that is American healthcare.</p>
<p>Whether you provide medical care or receive it, you’ll learn much from this conversation. To dive in, press play or peruse the helpful links below.</p>
<p><strong>HELPFUL LINKS </strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2022/12/05/3-beneficial-healthcare-laws-the-118th-congress-could-actually-pass/?sh=74bc23a123b7"><strong>3 Beneficial Healthcare Laws The 118th Congress Could (Actually) Pass (Forbes)</strong></a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2023/01/09/3-shocking-healthcare-statistics-for-2023/?sh=343975212860"><strong>3 Shocking Healthcare Statistics For 2023 (Forbes)</strong></a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2022/10/24/brain-heart-spine-the-anatomy-of-healthcare-leadership/?sh=5250809610e7">Brain, Heart Spine: The Anatomy Of Healthcare Leadership (Forbes)</a></strong></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/6886483197157285888/"><strong>Breaking The Rules Of Healthcare (LinkedIn Newsletter)</strong></a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://lithub.com/our-real-existential-medical-crisis-dr-robert-pearl-on-how-the-us-healthcare-system-deeply-resistant-to-innovation/"><strong>Our Real, Existential Medical Crisis? (Keen On Podcast) </strong></a></li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/01/24/fhc-80-diving-deep/">FHC #80: 3 shocking healthcare stats + 3 beneficial healthcare laws</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #79: An unfiltered look at ChatGPT and medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/01/17/fhc-79-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2023 03:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The internet (and nearly every American industry) is abuzz with a new phenomenon called ChatGPT (Generative Pre-trained Transformer), a remarkable artificial intelligence chatbot launched in November 2022 that has an uncanny ability to generate human-like text.</p>
<p>Recent headlines tell of the potential havoc this AI can inflict: “ChatGPT writes medical research abstracts that can fool scientists” and “Use of ChatGPT in counseling sessions is raising ethical questions.”</p>
<p>Dr. Z lauded ChatGPT’s ability to write a convincing Doc Vader script—a scary thought for the nation’s No. 1 healthcare satirist. But what else can AI accomplish?  In this Unfiltered episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, cohosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl join ZDoggMD to talk about hyper-realistic AI and explore its influence on American healthcare.</p>
<p>Press play for a fresh take on this technology&#8217;s potential impact on medicine.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/01/17/fhc-79-unfiltered/">FHC #79: An unfiltered look at ChatGPT and medicine</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #78: How leadership can fix healthcare, with Dr. David Feinberg</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/01/10/fhc-78-david-feinberg/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2023 03:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This episode kicks off season eight of the Fixing Healthcare podcast.</p>
<p>The guest: Dr. David Feinberg, currently chairman of Oracle Healthcare, former CEO of Cerner (acquired by Oracle in 2022), and previous head of both Google Health and Geisinger. This is Dr. Feinberg’s third appearance on the show. He joined hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr in season one (episode 3) and season six (episode 41).</p>
<p>The focus of Season 8: <strong><em>How better, bolder leadership can fix American healthcare</em></strong><em>. </em></p>
<p>As Dr. Pearl explains at the top of the podcast: “The medical and academic leaders featured on Season 8 of Fixing Healthcare will discuss the difference that strong leadership can make, both for patients and clinicians. I know their insights will be educational and inspirational. Hopefully, 2023 will be the year that our country takes the strides needed to make American healthcare, once again, the best in the world.”</p>
<p><strong>In the episode, Dr. Feinberg and the hosts discuss:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Getting patients to prioritize healthy choices and lifestyle changes</li>
<li>Advice for future physician leaders</li>
<li>What Google knows about maximizing public health</li>
<li>Why tech has a trust problem among patients and doctors</li>
<li>The benefits of teams and teamwork</li>
<li>The government’s role in helping people make healthy choices</li>
<li>Why good communication improves medical outcomes</li>
<li>How leaders can rebuild medical care around the patient, not the clinician</li>
<li>Whether it’s possible to achieve better quality, cost and access in healthcare—all at once?</li>
<li>What is “human capital management” in medicine?</li>
<li>Where healthcare leadership can be most effective (be it academic medical centers, community health systems or elsewhere) and the downsides of each</li>
</ul>
<p>Helpful links:</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/10/09/episode-3/">David Feinberg joins Fixing Healthcare season 1 (episode 3)</a> </strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/12/22/fhc-41-david-feinberg-cerner/">David Feinberg joins Fixing Healthcare season 6 (episode 41)</a></strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.cerner.com/perspectives/a-retrospective-on-cerners-transition-to-oracle">A retrospective on Cerner’s transition to Oracle</a> </strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/protocol-enterprise/oracle-cerner-feinberg-databricks-intel">The man behind Larry Ellison’s health care gamble</a></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a new book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.”</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/01/10/fhc-78-david-feinberg/">FHC #78: How leadership can fix healthcare, with Dr. David Feinberg</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #77: Fixing Healthcare flashback with Don Berwick</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/01/03/fhc-77-don-berwick-flashback/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2023 19:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This week, <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> hosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>conclude their holiday tribute to episodes past with this 2018 interview of <strong>Dr. Don Berwick</strong>.</p>
<p>Don is the former president and CEO of the <a href="https://www.ihi.org/"><strong>Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI)</strong></a> and led the organization’s <a href="https://www.ihi.org/Engage/Initiatives/Completed/5MillionLivesCampaign/Documents/Overview%20of%20the%20100K%20Campaign.pdf"><strong>100,000 Lives Campaign</strong></a>. He’s the former administrator of the Centers for Medicare &amp; Medicaid Services (CMS) and has served on the faculty for Harvard Medical School and Harvard School of Public Health.</p>
<p>This is the third and final <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> flashback episode—all of which have featured ideas from season one to fix American healthcare from the nation’s top leaders.</p>
<p>The purpose? To quote Dr. Pearl: “My hope in replaying these ideas is to help listeners once again realize how much could be done to transform American healthcare and improve people’s lives. And simultaneously, help them recognize how far we are from delivering the excellence in healthcare Americans want, need and deserve.”</p>
<p>Helpful links:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/07/04/welcome-to-fixing-healthcare/"><strong>Season 1 explainer: ‘Welcome to the toughest interview in healthcare’ </strong></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/12/09/episode-5-don-berwick/"><strong>Episode 5 recap: ‘Don Berwick brings a global perspective to fixing US healthcare’ </strong></a></p>
<p><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/FHC_Episode_5_Berwick_Transcript.pdf"><strong>The full transcript of this episode with Don Berwick</strong></a></p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.ihi.org/education/IHIOpenSchool/resources/Pages/ProfilesInLeadershipDonBerwick.aspx">Don Berwick: Profiles in leadership</a></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2023/01/03/fhc-77-don-berwick-flashback/">FHC #77: Fixing Healthcare flashback with Don Berwick</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #76: Fixing Healthcare flashback with Ian Morrison</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/12/27/fhc-76-ian-morrison-flashback/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2022 22:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This holiday season, <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> hosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>are mixing things up with a look back in time—way back, in fact, to the season-one finale with healthcare futurist<strong> Ian Morrison</strong>.</p>
<p>During this 2019 interview, Morrison earned the distinction of becoming the first (and still the only) guest to propose “Medicare Advantage for All” as a solution for fixing healthcare.</p>
<p>He explained: “Medicare Advantage for All reconciles different (American) values with regard to competition and the role of government, but mandates that everybody is in the system and covered.”</p>
<p>So, is “Medicare Advantage for All” a possible fix for the future of American healthcare? Did any of Morrison’s other healthcare predictions prove true? Tune in to find out.</p>
<p>Helpful links:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/07/04/welcome-to-fixing-healthcare/"><strong>Season 1 explainer: ‘Welcome to the toughest interview in healthcare’ </strong></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2019/01/07/episode-6-ian-morrison/"><strong>Episode 1 recap: ‘Ian Morrison says every healthcare system sucks in its own unique way’ </strong></a></p>
<p><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/FHC_Episode_6_Morrison_Transcript.pdf"><strong>The full transcript of this episode with Ian Morrison</strong></a></p>
<p><a href="https://ianmorrison.com/"><strong>Ian Morrison’s website </strong></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/12/27/fhc-76-ian-morrison-flashback/">FHC #76: Fixing Healthcare flashback with Ian Morrison</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>CTT #68: The worst flu season in over a decade?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/12/20/ctt-68-flu-season/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2022 05:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl discuss the long list of viral enemies attacking Americans this winter. Chief among them: Covid-19, RSV and seasonal influenza, the latter of which has tallied 8.7 million cases and 78,000 hospitalizations so far (40 times higher than at this point last year).</p>
<p>How seriously should American take these viral threats as we approach the holiday gathering season? You’ll find this topic and all the other [time stamped] questions from today’s show  here:</p>
<p><strong>[00:52] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[02:45] </strong>Listener question: What’s the data on the new bivalent vaccine vs. the old one?</p>
<p><strong>[07:48]</strong> How might researchers best communicate discrepancies in scientific data to patients? What should organizations like the CDC and WHO do?</p>
<p><strong>[08:47] </strong>What’s new regarding the ‘tripledemic’ since <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/11/16/ctt-67-tripledemic/"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>the last episod</strong></span>e</a>?</p>
<p><strong>[11:03] </strong>What’s happening with the flu?</p>
<p><strong>[13:28] </strong>Why are Chinese citizens protesting “Zero-Covid” restrictions?</p>
<p><strong>[16:28] </strong>What caused the near-global breakdown in public policy during Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[18:53]</strong> Who are the people comprising the 300-350 deaths in the United States each day from Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[22:50]</strong>: Kids and Covid-19: what’s new?</p>
<p><strong>[25:03]</strong> What’s new in healthcare beyond Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[26:44]</strong> How can patients help prevent the scourge of chronic disease in the United States?</p>
<p><strong>[28:19]</strong> What has happened to cancer screening since the start of the pandemic?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/12/20/ctt-68-flu-season/">CTT #68: The worst flu season in over a decade?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #75: Diving deep into healthcare technology and capitation  </title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/12/13/fhc-75-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2022 04:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast series “Diving Deep” probes some of healthcare’s most complex topics and deep-seated problems.</p>
<p>On today’s episode, hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr discuss two imperatives for healthcare leadership in the 21st century: changing the way docs use technology and changing the way we pay for medical care.</p>
<p>For more information on healthcare leadership, check out Dr. Pearl’s latest columns on <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/"><strong>Forbes</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/breaking-the-healthcare-rules-6886483197157285888/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>. For listeners interested in show notes, here’s a discussion guide:</p>
<h5><strong>LEADERSHIP + TECHNOLOGY </strong></h5>
<ul>
<li>What does the metaphor of the iron triangle represent in medicine?</li>
<li>Why is U.S. healthcare lacking effective leadership?</li>
<li>What is the “anatomy of healthcare leadership”?</li>
<li>How might a leader begin to change healthcare, locally?</li>
<li>What would leaders most like to change about the care patients receive today?</li>
<li>How do we make the ideal real in healthcare today?</li>
<li>What are some technologies that could transform medical care?</li>
<li>How could technologies change care for patients with chronic disease?</li>
<li>Once clinicians agree with the logic of new tech, how can leaders appeal to them on an emotional level?</li>
<li>How can real patient stories help persuade docs to embrace change?</li>
<li>In addition to the brain and heart, what is the role of the spine for leaders?</li>
<li>How did cohost Dr. Pearl use his spine to push technology forward at Kaiser?</li>
<li>What are the biggest problems a leader might experience when implementing new technological solutions?</li>
</ul>
<h5><strong>LEADERSHIP + MONEY </strong></h5>
<ul>
<li>Do Americans get what they pay for from healthcare today?</li>
<li>What are the biggest cost barriers to reforming healthcare?</li>
<li>What’s the problem with fee-for-service?</li>
<li>What is the alternative to fee for service?</li>
<li>How does “capitation” change the incentives for physicians?</li>
<li>Doesn’t capitation lead to delayed and denied care?</li>
<li>Why aren’t doctors jumping at pay-for-value models?</li>
<li>How do leaders use their brain, heart and spine differently to reform healthcare payments?</li>
<li>Can leaders make a case for capitation on an emotional level?</li>
<li>Why do leaders need a strong spine to advance capitation?</li>
<li>What else is needed to move away from fee-for-service as the method of reimbursement?</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/12/13/fhc-75-diving-deep/">FHC #75: Diving deep into healthcare technology and capitation  </a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #74: The tangled mess of medicine and politics</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/12/06/fhc-74-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2022 21:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>As a college freshman, <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/"><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a></strong> cohost Dr. Robert Pearl decided that rather than becoming a university professor as he had planned, he’d go into a field without politics: <strong><em>medicine</em></strong>. He laughs about how naïve he was as a 17-year-old.</p>
<p>“Healthcare is about life and death,” said Pearl, recalling his decision, “How could there be politics entwined inside that esteemed world?” Of course, Pearl soon learned that politics and medicine are a tangled mess.</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Unfiltered</em>, Pearl and his cohost Jeremy Corr join ZDoggMD to look at the relationship between medicine and politics and if there’s any opportunity for logic to prevail.</p>
<p>To find out, press play or keep reading.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em></p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>UNFILTERED TRANSCRIPT</strong></h3>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>Hello, and welcome to Unfiltered, our newest program in our weekly healthcare podcast series. Joining us each month is Dr. Zubin Damania, known to many as ZDoggMD. For 25 minutes, he and Robbie will engage in unscripted and hard-hitting conversation about art, politics, entertainment, and much more. As nationally recognized physicians and healthcare policy experts, they&#8217;ll apply the lessons they extract to medical practice, then I&#8217;ll pose a question to the two of them based on what I&#8217;ve heard. Robbie, why don&#8217;t you kick it off?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Hey, Zubin, how was your Thanksgiving?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>It was thankful. I really enjoyed it. My wife was on call, which meant we didn&#8217;t have to go through the full production of the meal. We went to a half meal, which was absolutely great. I had 70% less bloat and 100% more gratitude. How about you?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I had a great time. I was over at my sisters and had a bunch of folks there. Did you do anything special to communicate your gratitude to others?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I texted a lot of people that I had been a little out of touch with, and just to convey how important they are in my whole life and journey.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Excellent. That sounds great. So I don&#8217;t know if I ever told you that I became a doctor to avoid politics.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know that.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. So I was in college. I was a philosophy major, and my hero, who was a philosophy professor, quite an excellent one, he went on to become the chairman at Reed College, didn&#8217;t get tenure because of his political views, and I decided then that I wanted to do something that would have no politics. I mean, healthcare is about life and death. How could there be politics entwined inside that esteemed world? And so that&#8217;s truly why at the age of 17 I decided that I&#8217;d become a doctor, and I learned stuff later on. Any thoughts on that observation, and what we can do to minimize the politics in medicine?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Well, you had me at philosophy major. I don&#8217;t remember you&#8230; You must have told me that, but that&#8217;s impressive. If I could go back in time and do it again, I would do philosophy instead of music and molecular biology, although that&#8217;s kind of philosophy in a way. Yeah, politics and medicine have been to some degree dance partners for a long time, but I think right now it actually just reflects how politicized everything is, and how everything is so kind of divided. Although, I&#8217;ll say this, Robbie, I&#8217;m sensing something in the air, and I might have said this at our last conversation, but I really think something is shifting. I feel like people are starting to wake up to the fact that we are really divided over nothing substantial in the sense that we&#8217;re all trying to find truth and goodness, and we just have a slightly different spin on it, and medicine maybe will wake up, but as usual, we&#8217;re about a decade or two behind the rest of the culture.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Actually, I think that you&#8217;re correct, and I think we saw that in the most recent midterms that there was a lot more people I&#8217;ll say in the middle rather than the 20%, at both extremes, who were yelling the loudest and typing with all capitals and explanation points, but there&#8217;s a lot of people in the middle, and they want to know the truth. And I think in many ways, I&#8217;m not talking about the specifics of the outcome, but the election process itself, and, of course, we didn&#8217;t even have any attempt except in Nevada to just get rid of the entire voting and somehow have a different method of selecting candidates based upon maybe some sorcery or something else that could go into its place.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>But one of the things&#8230; Sorry, go on.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>No, no, no. I was just going to say in Nevada we have a lot of interesting things like legalized prostitution among other things, so we are a special state.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, excellent. That&#8217;s right. You were there. Exactly. Legalized gambling, prostitution, so on. Yeah. One of the things that strikes me as I think about the politics is that you would think that the health status would drive the politics, by which I mean if a lot of people didn&#8217;t have coverage, then they would be attracted to a party that would be likely to give them the coverage, and we think about people voting their interests. If there was a lot of opioid addiction in a particular geography, you would think that that would be a very high concern, and yet we see almost the opposite. Tell me where you live, and I&#8217;ll tell you your view on a problem. Whether for you it&#8217;s a particular medical challenge or not doesn&#8217;t seem to be the driver as opposed to where you happen to own a home and in many cases grow up. This seems really strange to me.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, it does, and again, all things seem strange if you look at humans as rational actors that work in their best interests all the time. And unfortunately I think we&#8217;re emotional, intuitive creatures that are the product of our conditioning and our moral sort of taste buds. And I think if your moral taste buds are concerned about say liberty versus oppression or government controlling things, even though you&#8217;re desperate for care, and you need it, and it would save your life or your family&#8217;s life, I think through that moral lens you&#8217;ll see any sort of government &#8220;intrusion&#8221; into healthcare is something that&#8217;s adverse, and you&#8217;ll fight tooth and nail.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a tribal component on all sides of this, like you said, where you grow up, and I think where you grow up is to some degree it conditions how you are, but to another degree you&#8217;re kind of attracted to those places that are an expression of your own sort of moral matrix. And so I think it&#8217;s a variety of those factors, and so people do not necessarily vote, or act, or think in their best interests always, if you look at their best interests from that standpoint. But if you look at their best interests as a morality play, they almost always do it in that way it seems. Yeah, that&#8217;s just my sense of this.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I always love talking to you, because I think about things that I hadn&#8217;t contemplated before. About a decade ago, I did some research with a neurologist named George, and George and I looked at brain scans, and we looked at what happens when people get put into situations of great threat or great opportunity, and what we found, George York and myself, was that there&#8217;s actually a shift in our brain in terms of perception. In the last show you mentioned the amygdala, the source of great fear, and what you see is that the amygdala first gets stimulated, and then as you mentioned actually in the last show, how the occipital lobes change, and we see things differently, and by see it&#8217;s not just a vision. It&#8217;s all of our senses.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s our perception of the world, and maybe some of these pieces are that there are fears or maybe hopes that people have that actually change their perception. And when you move someplace else where there&#8217;s different fears, and different hopes, different views of the world because of circumstances, then you change that perception, and maybe that accounts for some of this great shift in how we relate to each other or fail to do so, and maybe some of it is coming together to recognize that we may share in more common fears and more common hopes than we otherwise might realize.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>This is a really interesting insight actually, Robbie, because it made me think of something. You were saying sometimes I&#8217;ll prompt you. This prompted me, because there is this idea that part of the reason where&#8230; There are many reasons why we&#8217;re so divided and politicized nowadays, but one of them might be that your local scenario kind of conditions you and vice versa, but the global village that we have with social media is that now there&#8217;s a saying, &#8220;Good fences make good neighbors.&#8221; When not much about someone else they&#8217;re actually all right. The more about them sometimes it&#8217;s like, &#8220;Hmm, I&#8217;m not sure about this.&#8221;</p>
<p>And when you take disparate ideas from different geographies that are evolved differently to suit that geography, and you place them adjacent to each other, that&#8217;s when the all caps starts happening on Twitter, because somebody that you never would&#8217;ve really known that well, and you still don&#8217;t know them well, but you know them in a social media way, are hitting you with ideas that seem so antithetical to that moral palette that they do generate that fear. It&#8217;s that fear of loss of identity, the fear of loss of self, that this is who I am, right? I&#8217;m this liberal, or I&#8217;m this conservative, or I&#8217;m this libertarian, and suddenly you&#8217;re met with somebody who&#8217;s giving you totally different ideas, and it becomes instantly a kind of like, &#8220;Okay, fight or flight. I must defend this,&#8221; sort of identity.</p>
<p>And what may be happening is we&#8217;re getting so used to social media now that we might be starting to transcend that initial shock and start to see what you&#8217;re pointing out, which is, &#8220;Hey, actually we&#8217;re all in this game.&#8221; And actually when you start to point out how divided we are, people start to wake up and go, &#8220;Yeah, we are kind of getting played by this, the news cycle, and social media, and this kind of thing.&#8221; So it is really interesting.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>So let&#8217;s try to meld the politics and the health. One of the areas that I&#8217;m increasingly concerned about is the LBGTQ population, and how in this environment they&#8217;re going to be able to get good healthcare across the nation in all 50 states. Do you have any thoughts about, first of all, the hatred that&#8217;s seems to be often directed particularly at trans individuals, and how will they get their healthcare needs met from an optimal medical perspective?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. And this is one of those things where&#8230; Who said this? It was recently the World Cup, and the Iranian media was questioning American soccer players, and they asked a black soccer player. They said, &#8220;What&#8217;s it like living in a country where you&#8217;re discriminated against?&#8221; And obviously this was all politicized because of the whole Iran-US thing. And so this journalist was really trying to provoke this guy to say, &#8220;Yeah, we live in a super racist country where people are discriminated against because we keep accusing them of discriminated against women, which they do.&#8221; And he said, &#8220;Yeah, it is interesting, but I&#8217;ll say this, in America, one of the things I&#8217;ve noticed is we&#8217;re constantly trying to get better. There&#8217;s always some feeling that there is a kind of progress, and that makes it much easier to live here and deal with it, and I want to be part of the change.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I think with trans, with LGBTQ+, and all of that, I think that&#8217;s also what we see. These issues were repressed previously. Now the repression is less, and so we&#8217;re seeing them come to the fore, and it&#8217;s louder in sort of the culture, and so it&#8217;s easy to feel that there&#8217;s no progress, but I think that even that the conversations are happening is progress, so it&#8217;s a lot of it is ignorance. A lot of it is just lack of knowledge, and reactionism, and that kind of thing, and I think it is going to continue to progress. I mean, just look at the bill now that that&#8217;s going through the Senate where they&#8217;re going to codify protections on gay marriage say. That would&#8217;ve been unheard of a decade ago, and so I&#8217;m actually optimistic, but you can&#8217;t stop working for it, right? You can&#8217;t stop being part of the progress.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Again, another interesting thought that I hadn&#8217;t had before about how as soon as you stop pushing forward, you slide back, and that it&#8217;s not a question of pushing forward always to make progress. It&#8217;s pushing forward even to hold the progress that you have, and I can think of a lot of examples where as soon as people stop pushing, what we see is that everything slides back to where it came from even though I can&#8217;t find the rationality for why it started there.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, I think it takes a collective effort, and you&#8217;ll always get resistance and even understanding the resistance is a good thing. If you can see through other people&#8217;s eyes and go, &#8220;Okay, what is it that&#8230; What is this? Is this fear of other? Is this just misunderstanding? Is this a kind of projection where there&#8217;s something about them that they feel isn&#8217;t as mainstream, and they don&#8217;t want&#8230; They&#8217;re projecting this onto others.&#8221; You wrote your book Uncaring about medical culture, and I think what I loved about that book is that you just shined a direct light on things like emotional repression, projection, denial, the things that we do in medicine that we&#8217;re conditioned to do, that are really fundamentally quite harmful to progress, and I think it&#8217;s true in broader society as well. We have an epidemic, a pandemic of emotional repression, and avoidance, and projection as a result.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Well, for any listeners who might not have read the book, let me point out that a part of why I focused on denial is that denial is what makes the medical culture great. How else do you go into the streets during the plague and take care of people knowing that it&#8217;s a contagious disease, even though you have no idea what contagion means, because it hasn&#8217;t been yet discovered, or how do you go into ERs and take care of patients early in the pandemic when you don&#8217;t have protective gear? You have to deny the risk to yourself in order to put the patient first, but I also note that that tendency towards denial can spill over when there are things that we don&#8217;t necessarily want to see, and I thought of that this week. I don&#8217;t know if you noticed that the Merriam Webster word of the year is gaslighting. Did you know that?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know that, but it doesn&#8217;t surprise me.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, and there&#8217;s actually a lot of studies that have come out that said that it&#8217;s very frequent, and actually it&#8217;s very frequent in the LGBTQ+ population that we talked about, when they go for care. It&#8217;s actually very frequent when women go for care. I think many of the groups that have felt as though there&#8217;s a certain level of discrimination, the truth is that in the doctor&#8217;s office it&#8217;s there as well. The complaints are not taken as seriously. Problems that otherwise might be investigated are assumed to be simply psychological, and, of course, in medicine we deny that psychological is as important as physical, and you go on, and on, and on. Your thoughts on what we can do about it?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, I mean, again, this is our culture. You&#8217;re right. I mean, and the gaslighting is an interesting thing because I think a lot of it is unconscious, right? People are doing it not intentionally. It&#8217;s a kind of pattern of behavior. You try to make people feel like they&#8217;re not right in the head because you&#8217;re either projecting or denying something about the nature of their care, and I think it doesn&#8217;t happen at a conscious level. So until you bring it into the light of awareness, and you actually make it explicit in a way that doesn&#8217;t actually threaten the identity structures of the person you&#8217;re talking with. That&#8217;s the problem is a full frontal assault, and I think this is why in the culture right now, the full frontal assault of progress on people who are more say conservative, it leads to kind of a psychological reactance, and because, again, we&#8217;re going to defend our identity structures on all sides of it.</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s a way to do that I think that is much more compassionate and actually effective. So we have to focus on those strategies. Those kind of alt middle strategies that I talk about I think are more effective ways to bring progress that also is inclusive of people that feel they&#8217;ve also been left behind.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>The reason I like the word denial, although I&#8217;ll have to tell you that there&#8217;s some readers who didn&#8217;t like it, but I like the word because of the point you just made. It&#8217;s subconscious. We&#8217;re not aware of it. We act in ways without being conscious that this is what we&#8217;re doing. We don&#8217;t see it, and that makes me think about all the problems that if you read the literature, it&#8217;s so clear how important they are, social determinants of health, racial disparities. You know, 10% of Americans are still uninsured. It used to be 16% before the ACA, and I don&#8217;t hear a whole lot of conversation about that. Last night, I teach in the Stanford Graduate School of Business, and last night our guest speaker was a guy named Dr. Dr. Devi Shetty, who&#8217;s been the podcast, and whom I&#8217;ve spoken about before, and it was fascinating.</p>
<p>What he said is that he believes that India will be the first nation in which the healthcare you receive will not be dependent upon the amount of money that you have. In his mind, in a nation of 1.4 billion people. And the podcast he did with me a couple of months ago is just so inspirational. It&#8217;s great, and this reflected it. He worries about all 1.4 billion people and asks himself, &#8220;How do we provide care to the last of that 1.4 billion that&#8217;s as good as we provide to the best?&#8221; And in our country we tell ourselves we provide the same care to everyone, but when you look at the data, there&#8217;s not a shred of truth about that, and I don&#8217;t hear it being talked about in a broader context of people.</p>
<p>I think people look at it very much by what do I and my family get? What do the people that I&#8217;m most close with in my community get? And that&#8217;s about as far as we look, and we don&#8217;t see all the implications. It&#8217;s mainly about the system of healthcare, but I think it&#8217;s really about the values of the nation.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, I think what you nailed particularly explicitly there is the values of the nation, and America really was kind of founded in this kind of oppositional way where there&#8217;s almost an unwritten social contract that listen, listen, listen, listen, we all hate rich people for being rich and having everything, but secretly we want to be that rich person, and one day we want to have those things, and we want that opportunity to do that, to live at the top of the hierarchy. And I think it&#8217;s an unconscious kind of contract that has existed in the strata of American psyche for a long time, and that&#8217;s why something as egalitarian as a universal coverage, or everyone being treated equally in healthcare is something in the American psyche that reacts to that, and to be honest, I mean, my parents are from India. It is a vastly hierarchical, horrifically hierarchical.</p>
<p>In fact, when I first visited, I was taken aback by the servant class there that was treated almost akin to slaves. I mean, and part of this is the sort of general caste system, but it&#8217;s just all accepted there. And coming from America, it was a shock. It was like, &#8220;Wait, wait, you can&#8217;t treat other humans like this.&#8221; So it&#8217;s good to see Devi Shetty actually trying to unwind that, because on some level there&#8217;s aspects of Indian culture that are so community focused, and we&#8217;re all in this together. And so those things coexist, and so it can be a little schizophrenic at times.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Well, I think that&#8217;s very true what you said, because I&#8217;ve been there too, and the disparities are massive, but the idea of asking, of starting with the question, &#8220;How do we provide excellent care to all,&#8221; I think is a fascinating path. It&#8217;s the one that he&#8217;s on, and interestingly enough, much of his answer is technology. And he says that because in a poor country there&#8217;s not enough resources. If I have a sack of rice, and I give half of it to you because you&#8217;re hungry, I only have a half sack left. If I have a computer program that allows me to get great care, and I give you a copy, I still have my computer program. And so it&#8217;s a resource that you can give away. It&#8217;s like gratitude. I can give you all the gratitude in the world, and I haven&#8217;t depleted myself at all. In fact, I&#8217;ve actually augmented my satisfaction, my happiness, my fulfillment.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a beautiful way to put it, and it&#8217;s very similar to thinking about compassion as opposed to empathy. Empathy is feeling someone&#8217;s pain, affective empathy as your own. That does exhaust you, actually, but compassion, which is love and concern in the face of suffering and an unconditional kind of love, that actually fills you with kind of an elevation, and it&#8217;s inexhaustible. And so technology, absolutely, so there was ways to scale what we do in medicine that allow the human relationship at the center to kind of still flourish while scaling, and I think you&#8217;re absolutely right. You&#8217;re absolutely right. And actually, it&#8217;s got to be central to our answer, because we have resource limitation across the globe when it comes to high quality healthcare. So how do you scale it in that kind of way? I like that software analogy. It&#8217;s actually a very good one. One piece of software can serve infinite numbers of people.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Absolutely. So let me ask you a slightly tangential question, but it still is this split in society that it&#8217;s been bothering me ever since I read the Pew Research study on it about two weeks ago, and I&#8217;ve wanted to ask you about it. So in this study, only 41% of people, and this was 12,000 individuals they surveyed, thought that scientific experts are better than others at making policy decisions about scientific issues, and that negative view is held by both Democrats and Republicans. We&#8217;ve looked at this question of scientific expertise throughout COVID 19, and we&#8217;ve certainly come to the conclusion that those with the scientific backgrounds aren&#8217;t necessarily the ones that we should be trusting, and I wonder your thoughts. You&#8217;ve been right in the middle of this scrum, if you want to think about it in that way, over this issue of the role of the expert as we look at whether you want to talk about COVID or just healthcare policy in general.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, this is something that really, like you said, I&#8217;ve been kind of in the middle of it, and this is the thing. I have always kind of worked hard, early pre-pandemic especially to defend the role of expertise in healthcare, because it is invaluable. When you&#8217;re talking about recommending a type of surgery, having an interaction with a patient where it&#8217;s an interpretive dance of their hopes, dreams, and fears, and goals, and your knowledge. The your knowledge component is a very important part of the equation, right? Now, I think what&#8217;s happened here though is&#8230; And the fact that Democrats and Republicans are both saying this makes you think also of China. So here you have say let&#8217;s say a scientific technocracy, autocracy ruling class that says, &#8220;You know what? We can actually literally prevent deaths by locking people in their homes, and the number of deaths that result from that will be less than the number of deaths that happen from COVID.&#8221;</p>
<p>And to some degree so far they&#8217;ve proven themselves correct, because they have the lowest per capita, if you believe their numbers, per capita death rate from COVID, but they&#8217;ve had to do these draconian things about policy-wise, and just now people are standing up and saying, &#8220;You know what? Enough is enough.&#8221; And I think what humans here are saying in America, are saying is, &#8220;Yeah, it&#8217;s&#8230;&#8221; or they&#8217;re not saying this explicitly, but I think this is the motivation is, &#8220;Expertise is great and wonderful, but when it comes to policy, we actually want to determine what our values say in the setting of that knowledge. So it may be that we could prevent all this COVID, but we&#8217;re actually more interested in going out to eat, seeing our friends without masks, not having our kids be out of school,&#8221; these kind of things.</p>
<p>And so that disjunction between values, which are what politics tries to apply, or policy, and scientific expertise I think has manifested now with people saying, &#8220;You know what? I don&#8217;t trust these guys to make policy.&#8221; And so I think that&#8217;s what&#8217;s happening. Now, I&#8217;m curious what you think, but that&#8217;s been my feeling. And the problem is they&#8217;re throwing the baby out with the bath water, so now they&#8217;re like, &#8220;Well I don&#8217;t trust these guys to tell me I should vaccinate my children against mumps, because the way they managed COVID I felt was incompatible with my values. What are they telling me about mandates for childhood vaccines?&#8221; So it&#8217;s really causing all this collateral damage to public health now.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>No, I really love that, because as you know, I&#8217;ve been focusing a lot the past year on these rules of healthcare that I believe many of which need to be broken, and we have maybe the strongest rule, which is to save a life at any cost, and at any cost means any cost. If kids lose a year of school, that&#8217;s a cost to save one life, or two lives, or three lives. Now, we could spend a lot of time debating this issue. It&#8217;s certainly been debated by Talmudic scholars across history, but I think at some point we have to accept that death is a reality that we can&#8217;t overcome, and we probably need to take a broader view of what that means. What&#8217;s the impact to people&#8217;s lives of missing a year of education? What&#8217;s it going to mean for them and their families? How many people are going to die even though we won&#8217;t know exactly who they are as a result of that because of their family&#8217;s socioeconomic situations? Those conversations never penetrate into medicine.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, you nailed it, man. And again, it gets to get to that root of what you wrote about in Uncaring. It&#8217;s our denial, which again can be an adaptive denial. It&#8217;s unconscious about that death is something that is inevitable, and that it&#8217;s not necessarily the worst enemy, and it has to do with your values. So Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease specialist at UCSF, who&#8217;s been on my show several times, is coming again on Saturday. Early in the pandemic, we started doing a series of shows where we were really trying to talk people off the ledge a little bit and talk about these issues. And she said to me, and she said this on camera eventually, but initially she told me off camera that she had lost her husband, who was roughly her age, late forties, early fifties to cancer right before the pandemic, and he was a cardiologist, worked super hard.</p>
<p>Who knows if it was radiation exposure or what, but he had a head and neck cancer, and he died, and she has two young sons, and she&#8217;s raising them alone now, and the pandemic hits, and she&#8217;s watching people, the medical system treating death like it is the worst possible thing in the universe relative to actually living your life. And it became a kind of passion for her to say, &#8220;Listen, we all look at risk differently. Here&#8217;s how you can look at risk here rather than just save a life at any cost.&#8221; And that was part of her motivation. And again, she was woken up by this tragedy that hit her and her family, and sometimes it takes something that horrible to pull the rug out of under your denial, and you shouldn&#8217;t have to have that, right? We ought to be cognizant of this as a society and as individuals in healthcare, but it&#8217;s not been part of our sort of process.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Let me ask you one last question. It&#8217;s one question that I got asked. I was keynoting a large event a couple of weeks ago, and at the end you know you have the Q&amp;A, and an individual stood up, wasn&#8217;t a physician, and asked me whether with more and more doctors becoming employees, whether we&#8217;re seeing, and he used the phrase, &#8220;Loss of motivation to drive change,&#8221; whether medicine is just similar to everyone else with quiet quitting, and burnout, and a sense that dedication to work isn&#8217;t worth the effort and the energy, or whether the traditional purpose and mission of medicine still persists. You have probably the broadest network of millions of people who follow you and communicate with you. What do you think? How would you answer that question?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a great question, and from the standpoint of say an independent physician, you might ask that question. From a standpoint of an employed physician, you might not know anything differently, but this is my take. Hey, remember when we didn&#8217;t have a lot of employed physicians? How much change, progress, innovation, and transformation did we get? Zero. It&#8217;s the same thing that they&#8217;re all conditioned by their incentives, by their training, by inertia, by fear. And the employed physicians have a different set of conditioning in inertia and fear, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s vastly different than the old way of doing things in terms of generating innovation. I think if you want to find the roots of our failure to innovate or to feel invested in the change, I think it goes right to medical school, which you&#8217;ve talked about.</p>
<p>I mean, we&#8217;re basically trained to, we&#8217;re conditioned to memorize facts, half of which are eventually shown to be untrue, but they don&#8217;t tell you which half, because they don&#8217;t know, and then you&#8217;re conditioned to obey authority in the second two years, and you&#8217;re afraid you&#8217;re going to hurt someone, and you don&#8217;t want to rock the boat. And so it doesn&#8217;t matter. You come out with that conditioning. You&#8217;re really trained that way. So employed or not employed, at least if you&#8217;re an employed physician, you have this network of support, and you have an organization theoretically that could support you, or it could be seen to be trying to harm you or control you, but a lot of it is our own perspective until we kind of wake up to what we&#8217;re repressing, denying, projecting, and so on in our own conditioning, our system is going to be very unlikely to change, because our organizations are epiphenomenon of who we are.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>My answer was that, no, what I see is physicians are just as motivated to want to make medicine better, just as motivated to want to do the best for patients. They&#8217;re frustrated by the system. They&#8217;re frustrated by the inability to make change happen, and sometimes when you&#8217;re frustrated you lose the energy needed to try to drive change, but I still believe, and maybe I&#8217;m being too optimistic, which is why I asked you, or maybe just too idealistic, that the people who go into medicine are motivated by the right reasons, and that given the opportunity, they would push hard on the block, the cart, whatever you want to be saying it to be, to move it forward, and to make it accelerate at an ever faster rate.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, I think you&#8217;re absolutely right given the opportunity, and when they see these little cracks. We all think about our best day in medicine, and it&#8217;s always this kind of connectedness. It&#8217;s always this kind of autonomy, tools, teams, trust, and the patient. And it just kind of is a flow state, and I think if you give people more opportunities to actualize those flow states, show them bright spots where these things are working, and kind of just point directionally, because we all kind of know where we kind of generally want to be. We just don&#8217;t necessarily know how to get there. I think things will start. It&#8217;s inevitable. The change is already happening. It&#8217;s like what we said earlier in the thing. I sense the shift in the air.</p>
<p>I think the same thing is happening in medicine. There&#8217;s huge intractable seeming problems, but it&#8217;s always that way before the caterpillar spins the chrysalis and the transformation happens that you could never have predicted. So I think I&#8217;m with you on the optimism. I may be less of an idealist in this sense that it&#8217;s going to be a lot more brutal I think, and people will feel a certain way about it that&#8217;s very negative, but I think it&#8217;s inevitably going to go in a good place if we keep on the direction.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I love it, because I&#8217;m more of an idealist. I think people have all the right motivation. I&#8217;m a little bit less of an optimist, because I think the hurdles are so tall that it&#8217;s going to take a massive amount of energy to make change happen, but with that, let&#8217;s turn it over to Jeremy for his question to us, and I can&#8217;t wait to have the next opportunity to be able to learn from your experience, and to have new views into the world.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Likewise.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>When it comes to politics, many voters on both sides of the aisle seem to think that the elected officials on their side are fighting for them when it comes to healthcare, while believing the other side is making healthcare worse for both them in society, whether it&#8217;s the issue of abortion, Medicare, drug pricing, transgender issues, et cetera, and I would say that the hot issue on everyone&#8217;s mind right now is freedom of speech versus censoring what some people consider disinformation or hateful speech on social media. What I really want to ask though is for a reality check from both of you. When there is so much money in politics via campaign financing, lobbying, et cetera, coming into both Republicans and Democrats from big pharma, health insurance companies, health tech companies, et cetera, is either side really fighting for the best interests of lower and middle class voters when it comes to healthcare issues, or are they just focusing on keeping these big and influential healthcare companies happy?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, I&#8217;d love to defer to Robbie first on this one, because I&#8217;m dying of curiosity to hear your take.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I think, Jeremy, you&#8217;re raising two separate issues. I think the first issue is relative to the healthcare system, and a professor that I teach with, Robert Burgelman at Stanford, talks about medicine as being a super unmoving industry. Nothing changes over time, and he doesn&#8217;t understand why that is the case, and I think you&#8217;ve described the reason, which is there&#8217;s so many people in it, around it, impacted by it, making money from it for whom change is not what they want, and they have the power, and they have the money to be able to make stability be the example that sits within it. In contrast, I think that within the healthcare itself, that the politics, that the money is not the force that&#8217;s restraining change. I think that it&#8217;s within the people itself, it&#8217;s the difficulty of making that change happen, and I think it&#8217;s the amount of time that it takes, and I just think that it&#8217;s too much.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m a big believer that the change will come not through the political process, because I think that will be blocked by the money forces that exist, but it&#8217;s going to come actually through the economics, and that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m a big believer that it&#8217;s going to be the retail forces that will drive it, the Amazons of the world and the CVSs of the world, the Walmarts of the world that are going to make the change happen. I think they&#8217;re going to drive it not necessarily out of some commitment to improving the health of people. They&#8217;re going to drive it out of a profit motive, but I think that it will create a more positive change for the country, at least that&#8217;s my optimism, and that I think that once physicians get behind it, and nurses get behind it, and patients get behind it, and they can see an improvement to happen, that there will be what Zubin has talked about, this very major shift suddenly, and what seemed impossible and then seemed possible now will seem inevitable.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, and I think Upton Sinclair, I think it was, who said, &#8220;It&#8217;s impossible to make a man believe something if his salary depends on him not believing it.&#8221; And I think in medicine for many people, our salaries depend on us not believing, not changing to some degree, and that includes big legacy players like pharma, and insurance companies, and those kind of things, and politics just feeds right into that, and money is all the currency, the lifeblood of that. But once, like Robbie says, once the realities of the economics start to click in, and you do have these sort of disruptive agents like Amazon kind of pushing things like our old Turntable/Iora Health Model that&#8217;s now part of Amazon, when those are normalized, and consumers, the patients are able to vote with their feet a little bit, you&#8217;ll start to see change, and it will pull in especially the younger generation of healthcare professionals, who have been kind of hungry for this kind of change. They want to do the right thing. They are idealistic, and given an opportunity to practice in that kind of world, they&#8217;ll take it.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s actually very, very, very encouraging. I think the shift will happen. Now, the last pitch I&#8217;ll give is personal, and I always say this, and I&#8217;m sure I can feel this is probably not true, but I can feel Robbie rolling his eyes at me. It is that people have to wake up too to their own transformation. They have to see that this sort of egoic striving that we&#8217;ve always been conditioned to do is a bit of an illusion, and once we see past that, we do emerge a world where that is actualized in a way that it&#8217;s very hard to predict, but it&#8217;ll definitely be better than what we&#8217;re going through now.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>We hope you enjoyed this podcast, and we&#8217;ll tell your friends and colleagues about it. Please follow Fixing Healthcare on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. If you like the show, please rate it five stars and leave a review. If you want information on healthcare topics, you can visit Robbie&#8217;s website at Robertpearlmd.com or visit our website at Fixinghealthcarepodcast.com. Follow us on LinkedIn, Facebook, and Twitter at Fixing HC Podcast. Thank you for listening to Fixing Healthcare&#8217;s newest series, Unfiltered, with Dr. Robert Pearl, Jeremy Corr, and Dr. Zubin Damania. Have a great day.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/12/06/fhc-74-unfiltered/">FHC #74: The tangled mess of medicine and politics</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #73: The &#8216;rules of healthcare&#8217; that cause burnout</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/11/29/fhc-73-jonathan-fisher/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2022 00:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Dr. Jonathan Fisher</strong> was practically born into medicine. All six of his siblings became doctors, following in their father’s professional footsteps. Jonathan, himself, became a Harvard-trained cardiologist, working in some of the nation’s leading medical institutions.</p>
<p>But, in the process of making his family proud, he was becoming anxious, depressed and burned out. He was losing an important part of himself. To make matters worse, when Jonathan finally sought the help of a therapist, he experienced profound shame and felt like a failure.</p>
<p>Nowadays, in addition to being a practicing physician, Jonathan is an advocate. He has devoted much of his career to solving clinician burnout. He is a mindfulness and resiliency expert who runs the <strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/groups/8988416/">Ending Clinician Burnout Global Community</a> </strong>and co-hosts the <strong><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/end-clinician-burnout/">annual summit</a> </strong>of same name.</p>
<p>In this interview, hosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>ask Dr. Fisher about the rules of American medicine that must be broken in order to free clinicians from the shame, anger, frustration and dissatisfaction that cause rampant burnout.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Interview Highlights</u></strong></h3>
<h5><strong>On learning the ‘unwritten rules’ of medicine</strong></h5>
<p>“I remember my surgery rotation in third year. We had a very well respected general surgeon, resident and a fellow, and I felt like I was in the military, which was a very bizarre thing … I found myself having to walk quite erect, almost like a group of ducklings following this senior surgical resident. [We had] to speak in exactly the way that he spoke, to present in a way that was expected. This was the first time I remember this jarring sense that there were certain rules that were established, rules of behavior if we were to fit in and to excel.”</p>
<h5><strong>On seeking professional help for the first time</strong></h5>
<p>“I was a resident at the Brigham and I called [the therapist’s office] and I tried not to over-identify myself. And when I first went, I wore a coat so that I could cover part of my neck, and I wore a hat so that nobody in the neighborhood, other residents, would know that I was going to see a therapist. There was a lot of secrecy and there was a lot of shame that was there. I knew very little about the impacts of shame, which really literally means to cover up. That&#8217;s the origin of the word. There was so much covering up that I was doing that, eventually, I was unable to feel positive feelings.”</p>
<h5><strong>On burnout vs. depression</strong></h5>
<p>“There&#8217;s an overlap between burnout and depression, but one is a workplace phenomenon, often driven by a certain set of known factors that Tait Shanafelt and others have described beautifully, whereas depression is more of a psychological diagnosis. What I find interesting is … there are overlaps there with the clinical spectrum of depression as well as anxiety … If you look at Medscape&#8217;s poll from last year … 70 to 80% of all doctors across 29 sub-specialties reported depression at some point in the last few years.”</p>
<h5><strong>On ‘the healthcare system’ and its role in burnout</strong></h5>
<p>“People say, ‘Well, you have to change the system.’ I point out that a system is nothing more than a collection of individuals. If our individuals don&#8217;t have the presence of mind and the ability to impact change and influence the thoughts, feelings, and actions of other people, then we won&#8217;t have a generation of leaders who can make the changes that people so desperately want.”</p>
<h5><strong>On the role of clinicians in ending burnout</strong></h5>
<p>“I think part of the problem we&#8217;re facing in healthcare is that we&#8217;re all siloed. We may be siloed in our own institution thinking that we&#8217;re doing it best. We may be siloed in our own specialty thinking that we&#8217;re better than others. And we know the jokes that the orthopedists tell about the internists and the cardiologists tell about the neurologists, and it&#8217;s funny. At the same time, these silos are what are going to keep us from healing our healthcare system. All of these divides need to be bridged. We need to begin the bridging. And so, that&#8217;s really the motivation for my work.”</p>
<h5><strong>On the problem with ‘moral injury’</strong></h5>
<p>“If we use a narrow term like moral injury, it&#8217;s a focus on one person, which is the healthcare provider who is injured. I would say that there&#8217;s a connotation there, that there is an injurer. Once we have that connotation, there are elements of blame, of blaming the system. I&#8217;ve watched this for 10 years. Well-meaning doctors who have no recourse, spend hours of their time talking about us versus them, us versus the system … I think the popularity [of the term] comes from a sense of hopelessness and, frankly, bitterness, which oftentimes is appropriate, but after a while becomes dysfunctional.”</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Jonathan-Fisher_Episode-73.pdf">READ: Full transcript with Jonathan Fisher</a> </strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #72: Fixing Healthcare flashback with Zubin Damana (ZDoggMD)</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/11/23/fhc-72-flashback-zdoggmd/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2022 14:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This holiday season, <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> hosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>are mixing things up with a look back in time—way back, in fact, to the first episode of the first season with <strong>Dr. Zubin Damania</strong> (aka ZDoggMD). Since this interview in 2018, Dr. Z has become one of this show’s most popular returning guests.</p>
<p>Zubin Damania is a UCSF- and Stanford-trained internist and founder of Turntable Health, an innovative primary care clinic and model for Health 3.0. As a way to address his own burnout and find his voice, he started producing videos and live shows under the pseudonym “ZDoggMD.” His persona became a grassroots movement, reaching more than 1 billion people across a wide array of different media.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s program will be the first of three <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> flashback episodes airing throughout the holidays, each featuring ideas to fix American healthcare from some of the nation’s top leaders.</p>
<p>The purpose? To quote Dr. Pearl: “My hope in replaying these ideas is to help listeners once again realize how much could be done to transform American healthcare and improve people’s lives. And simultaneously, help them recognize how far we are from delivering the excellence in healthcare Americans want, need and deserve.”</p>
<p><strong>Helpful links:</strong></p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/07/04/welcome-to-fixing-healthcare/"><strong>Season 1 explainer: ‘Welcome to the toughest interview in healthcare’ </strong></a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/08/08/episode-1-zdoggmd/"><strong>Episode 1 recap: ‘ZDoggMD has a plan to fix American healthcare’ </strong></a></p>
<p><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/FHC_Episode_1_Damania_Transcript.pdf"><strong>The full transcript of this episode with Zubin Damania</strong></a></p>
<p><a href="https://zdoggmd.com/"><strong>ZDoggMD’s website: Health 3.0 </strong></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>CTT #67: Should Americans be worried about a ‘triple-demic’?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/11/16/ctt-67-tripledemic/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2022 16:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl discuss the latest buzzword of the Covid-19 era: <em>Triple-demic</em>.</p>
<p>Earlier this month, the CDC alerted physicians about the triple threat of Covid, seasonal influenza and RSV (respiratory syncytial virus), warning that the threat of multiple infections (and resulting respiratory disease) was greatest among young children and the elderly. Is the triple-demic a legitimate public health threat and what should listeners do about it?</p>
<p>You’ll find that topic and all the other [time stamped] questions from today’s show  here:</p>
<p><strong>[00:52] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[05:18] </strong>Listener question: “Is the price of Covid vaccines going up next year?”</p>
<p><strong>[08:50]</strong> Why do government and insurers seem willing to pay for so many complex services and facilities to treat people once they have a heart attack, stroke or cancer, but reticent to make the investments needed to reduce the incidence of these frequently avoidable problems?</p>
<p><strong>[09:44] </strong>There’s still a lot of debate about myocarditis after vaccination. Any new research?</p>
<p><strong>[11:00]</strong> <strong>What is a “triple-demic” and should we be worried about it?</strong></p>
<p><strong>[13:18]</strong> If everyone wore masks and washed their hands this winter, we could avoid millions of infections and thousands of deaths. So, why are Americans less likely than others to do?</p>
<p><strong>[14:38]</strong> Listener question: I was recently vaccinated with the old booster and I was wondering about the new bivalent one. Is there data that says I should take it?</p>
<p><strong>[16:30] </strong>What’s the latest on Long COVID (since it was featured in <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/10/18/ctt-66-latest-on-long-covid/">last month’s episode</a>)?</p>
<p><strong>[17:47]</strong> What are the risks of Covid-19 relative to kids now?</p>
<p><strong>[18:59]</strong> What’s new in healthcare beyond Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[21:52] </strong>How much risk should patients/consumers be willing to accept vs. their social obligation to keep others safe?</p>
<p><strong>[23:13] </strong>Are parents of children with diabetes still cutting corners with insulin due to high prices?</p>
<p><strong>[26:05]</strong> How does racial bias play a role in the care doctors provide patients?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #71: Diving deep into healthcare leadership</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/11/08/fhc-71-diving-deep-into-healthcare-leadership/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2022 20:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This <strong><em>Fixing Healthcare</em></strong> podcast series, “Diving Deep,” probes into some of healthcare’s most complex topics and deep-seated problems.</p>
<p>On today’s episode, hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr discuss the “<strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2022/10/24/brain-heart-spine-the-anatomy-of-healthcare-leadership/">Anatomy of Healthcare Leadership</a></strong>,” a new way of looking at the skills and qualities needed to transform American medicine. According to Dr. Pearl, leaders must apply logic and creativity (a function of the brain), they must show passion and express empathy (via the heart) and they must also demonstrate courage and resilience (using the proverbial strong spine). Later in the show, Corr gets Pearl to describe his leadership journey and the nationally recognized success he experienced for nearly two decades as CEO at Kaiser Permanente.</p>
<p>For more information on healthcare leadership, check out Dr. Pearl’s latest columns on <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/"><strong>Forbes</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/breaking-the-healthcare-rules-6886483197157285888/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>. For listeners interested in show notes, here’s a discussion guide:</p>
<h5><strong>THE ANATOMY OF HEALTHCARE LEADERSHIP </strong></h5>
<ul>
<li>How can strong leadership defeat the “<a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/10/11/fhc-68-diving-deep/">middleman mentality</a>” in healthcare?</li>
<li>What proof is there that U.S. healthcare lacks effective leadership?</li>
<li>What kinds of healthcare problems will be hardest for leaders to address?</li>
<li>Can healthcare leaders really change how healthcare is paid?</li>
<li>What are the benefits of “capitation”?</li>
<li>If capitation is the solution, why is it so rare in healthcare today?</li>
<li>How does the middleman mentality slow healthcare’s financial reform?</li>
<li>Why would anyone who’s profiting from healthcare’s dysfunction want to drive change?</li>
<li>Where should aspiring healthcare leaders begin?</li>
<li>Why has the trio of cost, quality and access been so hard to achieve?</li>
<li>How can aspiring winning over the people who deliver care?</li>
<li>What is the “Anatomy of Healthcare Leadership” and how can it change medicine for good?</li>
<li>How can leaders apply logic and creativity (their brains) to the challenge?</li>
<li>How can leaders apply passion and empathy (their heart) to the challenge?</li>
<li>How can leaders demonstrate courage and persistence (the spine) to the challenge?</li>
</ul>
<h5><strong>PEARL’S LEADERSHIP JOURNEY </strong></h5>
<ul>
<li>What was the arc of Pearl’s journey from plastic surgeon to CEO?</li>
<li>How were healthcare problems similar/different early in Pearl’s career compared to today?</li>
<li>How did Pearl become the CEO at Kaiser Permanente in 1998?</li>
<li>What were his goals for the organization at the time?</li>
<li> What are the three biggest leadership lessons he learned as CEO?</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #70: India-based doctor breaks rule that great healthcare must be expensive</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/11/01/fhc-70-india-based-doctor-breaks-rule-that-great-healthcare-must-be-expensive/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2022 16:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Devi Shetty returns to the <em><strong>Fixing Healthcare</strong></em> podcast this week—making his first appearance on the show since 2019. At that time, listeners wrote in and posted messages on social media, expressing astonishment at Dr. Shetty’s accomplishments and outlook on healthcare.</p>
<p>Shetty is a heart surgeon, trained in both London and the United States. Today, he owns and operates 11 hospitals in India and a new facility in the Cayman Islands. The cost of care in his health centers is as low as you’ll find anywhere in the world. Yet the quality of care is a good as you’ll find anywhere in the world.</p>
<p>This success was made possible only by breaking the traditional rules of healthcare. In this interview, hosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>ask Dr. Shetty about the rules of American medicine that must be broken in order to replicate the success he (and his hospitals) have achieved.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Interview Highlights </u></strong></h3>
<h5><strong>On breaking the rule of expensive healthcare</strong></h5>
<p>“If a solution is not affordable, it is not a solution … But sadly, after spending $10 trillion (on global medical care), less than 20% of the world&#8217;s population has access to safe, accessible, secondary and tertiary level healthcare … So we have to break the rule and we have to do everything possible to make healthcare accessible, affordable, and safer for the patient.”</p>
<h5><strong>On putting a price on human life </strong></h5>
<p>“A typical doctor like me, I see about 50, 100, 130 patients every day in my clinic, apart from one or two surgeries. And good number of my patients are the little children sitting on their mother&#8217;s lap. I examine the kid, I look at the mother and tell her ‘Look, your child has a hole in the heart. She requires open heart surgery.’ She has only one question. The question is not about the scar, about the recovery or how to take care of the kid later on in life, nothing. Only one question, ‘How much it is going to cost?’ And if I tell her that it is going to cost, say, 100,000 rupees, which she doesn&#8217;t have, that is a price tag on the child&#8217;s life. If she has 100,000 rupees, she can save the child. This is what I do from morning till evening, putting price tag on human life. This is what every doctor in all the developing countries do from morning till evening, putting price tag on human life. This is not acceptable, Robbie. If society has given legally, officially the right to put a price tag on human life to people like us, we have failed as a society. This can&#8217;t go on.”</p>
<h5><strong>On caring for Mother Teresa</strong></h5>
<p>“I was privileged to be living in Kolkata at that time, and Mother happened to have a cardiac ailment. I was a senior doctor (of heart surgery) in the city, so it&#8217;s just a coincidence or God&#8217;s blessings that I had the privilege of being close to Mother when she needed the doctor&#8217;s help. And I&#8217;m grateful to God for the opportunity.”</p>
<h5><strong>On insuring India’s poorest farmers (for the price of a pack of cigarettes) </strong></h5>
<p>“There was a drought in the state of Karnataka, where I live. So, farmers lost their capacity to pay for the healthcare. At that time, we approached our government …  we told the government that if the (state) cooperative society members pay 11 cents per month, that&#8217;s approximately the price of one packet of cigarette or Beedi … that money he pays for his health insurance. And initially we had about 4.5 million people paying 11 cents per month. The insurance pays for the surgeries, starting from a routine surgeries like gallbladder, hernia, cesarean section to heart operation, brain operation, everything is cover … Over 1.5 million farmers had varieties of surgeries and about 130,000 farmers had a heart operation. All this was done with 11 cents per month. Poor people in isolation are very weak, but together they&#8217;re very strong.”</p>
<h5><strong>On disrupting the cost of healthcare </strong></h5>
<p>We are living in an amazing country, which supports innovation and supports a new way of doing things. I have no doubt that within the next five to 10 years, India will become the first country in the world to dissociate healthcare from affluence. India will prove to the world that the wealth of the nation has nothing to do with the quality of healthcare its citizens can enjoy. I have no doubt about it.&#8221;</p>
<h5><strong>On inspiring the next generation of healthcare rulebreakers</strong></h5>
<p>“I&#8217;m convinced that when you strive to work for a purpose, which is not about profiting yourself or your own personal interest, if the purpose of our action is to help the society, mankind on a large scale, cosmic forces ensure that all the required components come in place and your dream becomes a reality. I have no doubt about it. I have noticed this so many times, whatever we could do in India, if you really sit back and analyze it scientifically, lot of things couldn&#8217;t have been done, but it happens mainly because of the impact which is going to touch millions of people.”</p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Devi-Shetty_Episode-70.pdf"><strong>READ: Full transcript with Devi Shetty</strong></a></p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In world where it’s almost impossible to tell if someone is lying or delusional, where is line between an unintentional error in perception and intentional misrepresentation? This question is proving to have profound consequences in medical practice.</p>
<p>In healthcare, where the difference between facts and opinion continue to blur, tribalism and factionalism are a growing concern.</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, cohosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl join ZDoggMD to probe the many problems with medical misinformation in America.</p>
<p>When both physicians and patients crave simple answers to complex problems, ultimately, is it our fears that drive our perception of what’s real? To find out, press play or peruse the transcript below.</p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>UNFILTERED TRANSCRIPT</strong></h3>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>Welcome to Unfiltered, our newest program in our weekly Fixing Healthcare podcast series. Joining us each month is Dr. Zubin Damania, known to many as ZDoggMD. For 25 minutes, he and Robbie will engage in unscripted and hard hitting conversation about art, politics, entertainment, and much more. As nationally recognized physicians and healthcare policy experts, they&#8217;ll apply the lessons they extract to medical practice. I&#8217;ll then pose a question for the two of them as the patient based on what I&#8217;ve heard. Robbie, why don&#8217;t you kick it off?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Hey, Zubin, welcome to this month&#8217;s show.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Ah, it&#8217;s always a pleasure to be back, brother.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>With Halloween coming up, do you have a custome in mind?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to go as a burned out physician who just doesn&#8217;t know what to do. In other words, I&#8217;m just going to go as myself circa 2009.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Excellent. Yeah, I was planning to be a crazy knife bearing surgeon. I think reality and fiction often overlap and intersect, and I think we both have the same thoughts right now.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Both characters are truly terrifying.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you, but I feel like there&#8217;s a dark cloud over the world now with economic uncertainties that exist, the war in Ukraine, the evermore problematic American political system. Would you care to cheer me up?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ll cheer you up this way. I agree that it feels that way for sure. And actually the only way I cheer myself up is by realizing everything that we think is absolute reality like that is just all a thought matrix we live in. So we do the best we can in that relative world. But in reality, right here, right now is just absolute stillness and peace and perfection. And so those two things exist simultaneously. And if you can tap into both and feel into both, then it&#8217;s much less depressing because you realize in the end everything&#8217;s going to be okay because it already is.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I love your Buddhist tranquility, but I&#8217;m still concerned that as our nation divides wider and deeper, something I&#8217;ve thought about a lot is trying to figure out where the line is or how do we establish the line between unintentional errors in perception and intentional misrepresentation. I often find it difficult to ascertain where the people are saying what they truly believe, but it&#8217;s just wrong, versus when they&#8217;re lying. Any thoughts of how you discern the difference?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So this degree of discernment has become increasingly difficult because there is an aspect of self-deception that humans are really good at. We&#8217;re increasingly good at it when we&#8217;re divided into these tribal groups and social media creates a virtual belonging for us, this meaning crisis is solved by belonging to a group. So in a way when what we may think is misinformation from the standpoint of one virtual group may be absolutely believed as true from the standpoint of another. And therefore, if you were to say, create a law that says we&#8217;re going to fight misinformation this way by these criteria, there&#8217;s always going to be groups that say that&#8217;s total crap, because from our standpoint, we&#8217;re actually telling the truth. And actually humans have evolved to self-deceive potentially to some extent because in order to fool others in a tribe, in order to get away with something, we&#8217;re so good, we&#8217;re such good lie detectors as humans, that discernment that you&#8217;re talking about, that in order to fool people, we have to believe what we&#8217;re saying.</p>
<p>And so to some degree, that degree of self-deception then projects in a way that it&#8217;s very hard to discern, does that person actually believe what they&#8217;re saying? Even though objectively I can measure things and say this is not true. And I think that&#8217;s where we are. We&#8217;re in this sense making crisis. How do you even know what&#8217;s true anymore and who believes what? So I share your frustration with that. It is very hard, but I think you have to get at the meta crisis underlying it, which is this meaning crisis, the sense making crisis and the tribalization.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>A few years ago I did some research with a neurologist, George York, and we looked at the literature on perception. What we found was fascinating. In times of great fear or opportunities for pleasure or wealth, people&#8217;s brains shift what they see. You put individuals in headsets and you ask them to ascertain where the two images that have been rotated are identical, and 95% of the time they&#8217;ll get it right. But you put them in a group of three others who are in on the experiment and all three of the others consciously report a wrong answer to particular problems, and two thirds of the time the unknowing subject will give the incorrect answer.</p>
<p>Now people might say, Oh, this is just going along with the crowd, but interviews of the subjects later confirmed that what they actually saw were the wrong images. And this to me is the question, the tribalism that you&#8217;ve spoken about many times and you&#8217;ve discussed on your podcasts and other shows. How do we understand this and what can we do to minimize it? At least from my perspective, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a good thing to have tribalism in healthcare.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. So I think what you&#8217;re pointing at is the fact that we don&#8217;t so much perceive reality as constructed. And that construction is a complex interplay between whatever&#8217;s input to our senses and whatever we&#8217;re constructing. In fact, our occipital lobe, according to Professor Donald Hoffman, is so big and such a huge user of energy in the brain that it would be overkill to actually just re-represent what the senses are telling us. But it&#8217;s just about right to construct a world. So since we are humans, we&#8217;re contextual creatures, we&#8217;re social creatures where as we talked about the last time, we&#8217;re right brain and left brain creatures both. And that right brain wants to see things in their context and it sees these other creatures that are in our group or in our tribe constructing things a certain way and it influences our construction. This is absolutely true. It&#8217;s probably the explanation for a large component of the placebo effect in medicine too.</p>
<p>That therapeutic alliance, that sense of being heard is bigger than even if you can tell them, Hey, this is a placebo, but we find it works for a lot of people and we&#8217;re going to sit with you. And even that just saying that has a therapeutic effect. So I think that tribalism, first of all, it&#8217;s recognizing that this is actually how humans are. That objective reality is a very tricky thing. And so if we&#8217;re constructing reality from these inputs, then let&#8217;s try to understand the ought to, what ought a good healthcare system, good society, good set of ethics look like? And I think that&#8217;s where we might agree a lot more than we disagree. We&#8217;re always arguing over the is like, well what&#8217;s going on? What is this? What is that? No, but what would we like? And I think once we start to align around that tribalism, we might be able to build that corpus callosum between the tribes.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>So let&#8217;s dive a little deeper. Let&#8217;s look at doctors who recommend treatments that prove lucrative to themselves but have been shown to add little clinical value for patients. Do you think they promote them out of conscious greed or do you think they actually see them as valuable regardless of what the literature concludes?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Ooh, another great example of us constructing our reality and our sense of morality and ethics from first principles. And the first principles in this case are, we want to do good, but we also need to survive. We have the Maslow&#8217;s hierarchy we have to provide and so on. We&#8217;ve done all this training and now they&#8217;re telling me that maybe the colonoscopy that I trained to do for all these years, that&#8217;s the bread and butter of the generation of cash for my specialty in gastroenterology. Now there&#8217;s a study saying, well maybe it&#8217;s not as good as we thought as a population wide screening tool. Probably works on some individual level, but as a population, okay, what are you going to do? You are going to immediately, unconsciously, and to some degree consciously react and say, yeah, wait a minute now, you did the study wrong, there&#8217;s things you didn&#8217;t look at, you haven&#8217;t seen the patients I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
<p>When a patient comes and says, You saved my life by detecting that precancerous polyp, you haven&#8217;t had that experience and you&#8217;re just a egghead and a data analyst and you&#8217;re missing the big picture. I think that&#8217;s all absolutely believed by the person. I think deep down there is a doubt that what if this is true and I must defend against that and so on because there is an existential risk to the income. And Upton Sinclair said it&#8217;s very difficult to have a man believe something when his livelihood depends on him not believing it. And that&#8217;s just how humans are. We&#8217;re constructing this reality. So how do we address that? Well that&#8217;s a difficult thing because a straight on attack throwing data at people is not going to change what&#8217;s happening. You need to shift in the overall sort of paradigm. And that&#8217;s very difficult to do.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Does this phenomenon you&#8217;re talking about, explain the 180 degree contrasting views of people about vaccines.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>A thousand percent. So those vaccine views are based, I think increasingly on our morality and our moral taste buds. The six moral taste buds that Jonathan Haidt talks about, care versus harm, liberty versus oppression, sanctity versus degradation, fairness versus cheating, authority versus subversion, loyalty versus betrayal. Those are the six. How you feel those taste buds will determine how you look at vaccines. And one of those is loyalty versus betrayal. Let&#8217;s say you are conservative and you have loyalty to group and then the group is saying, we don&#8217;t trust these vaccines because it just so panned out that Trump wasn&#8217;t a big proponent of the vaccine. Well now that tribal loyalty has to conflict with the care versus harm, but they&#8217;ll feel care versus harm as, oh we&#8217;re actually harming young people by giving them myocarditis with these unnecessary vaccines. So, that&#8217;s how they&#8217;ll spin it.</p>
<p>Now on the left they&#8217;ll say, Hey, care versus harm, I don&#8217;t want to kill grandma, I don&#8217;t want people to die. So we want vaccines. And their loyalty versus betrayal is, well, I&#8217;m loyal to these ideas of &#8220;the science,&#8221; which is increasingly a politicized feeling. So they will fight tooth and nail for a vaccine, even if in say a 13 year old boy there&#8217;s a risk of myocarditis, they&#8217;ll very much downplay that as, Oh, the risk of COVID myocarditis is worse. But really there isn&#8217;t great data to say one way or the other. So they won&#8217;t accept the uncertainty there. And I think that&#8217;s entirely moral matrix driven. They&#8217;re all trying to be good. And once you see that the tendency to be judgemental towards in group and out groups tends to soften a bit. And then you can just determine, okay, so how can we do the most good here? How can we build some bridges? And I think it&#8217;s existential a risk to us that we have to do that now, we have to start looking from that morality standpoint.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, it sounds like it&#8217;s a pretty big gap to close between people who see a intervention as being so life saving and people who see it as so problematic. I just rarely have seen a gap as big as this one.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s really heartbreaking because previously, and actually this is spilling over into childhood vaccines. So now we&#8217;re seeing this hesitancy towards childhood vaccines, which was there at a small level before and now it&#8217;s increasing because again, the tribalization, the politicization and you can blame all kinds of people and you could probably blame some people more than others for this, but it is an increasing factor. And I think things like social media, the Zuckerverse and all this other stuff have really fed into this because their monetization models benefit from division, they benefit from the outrage and the headline clickbait stuff, but unfortunately, so okay, Robbie, I&#8217;m feeling into how you&#8217;re even phrasing these questions.</p>
<p>You are very discouraged right now. That&#8217;s clear. You&#8217;ve said it explicitly, but you can also feel it in your tone of voice and I think many people are, I think many people who are smart people who&#8217;ve worked in healthcare feel as you do. I see them when I go talk and things like that. And all I can say is I happen to tend on the optimistic side because the only way out is through. And I think if we fail to destroy ourselves, I think we will increasingly wake up to what&#8217;s actually happening. It just is going to be ugly for a while. So we have to keep talking about it. We have to keep pushing through making the implicit that we think we understand more explicit so people can go, Oh this what&#8217;s really happening. But it is hard.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s particularly hard I&#8217;ll say as a scientist, you see data, you see logic. If people have problems with the specific information, you repeat experiments. There are ways you could explore questions, but when at the end of that process you still have two seemingly unconnected, completely contradictory conclusions, then that becomes hard to put in a scientific model for which the healthcare world has tried to achieve for 5,000 years.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. And this is where the fundamental of schism between our science-based consensus reality that we&#8217;ve, like you said, 5,000 years of growth of the scientific method, and the way humans actually instantiate these hive mind group thinks that are powered by their moral taste buds and loyalty. And part of it, Robbie, I think is the meaning crisis in a bigger sense. We used to have a common mythology. You and I have talked about the hero&#8217;s journey. That&#8217;s a common mythology across cultures, but we&#8217;ve lost some of the sense. And so now we find our meaning in tribe, in group, in belonging. And when that becomes paramount, then the consensus reality starts to fracture because then we&#8217;re creating our own consensus reality within the group instead of within the collective as science has done since the enlightenment and prior. So it can feel very frustrating to a science minded person and it definitely has felt frustrating to me.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Multiple times a month I get a call from a CEO of an artificial intelligence company and the calls are almost all exactly the same. They tell me that first of all, they&#8217;re the best engineers that exist in healthcare. Then they tell me that they have an application that will save three hours a day per physician, but they can&#8217;t understand why no one is buying it. Now I tell them that they&#8217;re delusional, although I say it in much nicer languages.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Good for you.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I say the problem they should be having is managing the line out the door. But we just talked about ourselves as scientists. In practice, we&#8217;re just as liable to be misled as anyone else. How do we as physicians minimize that risk?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, this is great because again, we feel in the scientific community that we&#8217;re immune to this stuff, but we&#8217;re as susceptible like you said. And I think part of it is how we&#8217;re even training ourselves, educating ourselves. Do we talk about these issues of group think and cognitive bias and errors in thinking and even the kind of cardinal signs of conspiracy thinking, or cardinal signs of misinformation. We don&#8217;t even train people on that because sometimes we can turn that back on ourselves. Some of them are things like cherry picking data. Well, we in science do that well if we have an emotional investment in something. I gave the example of say colonoscopy. If you&#8217;re emotionally invested in something, you&#8217;ll cherry pick the data to support what you believe. So the fake experts, pulling up an expert that really doesn&#8217;t have a lot of business talking about this, but they have some credentials.</p>
<p>The moving goal posts. No matter what information you present someone, they&#8217;ll say, well, but then what about this? And they&#8217;ll move the goal post further. The conspiracy thinking, the logical fallacies. If we trained ourselves on that stuff or had it as part of our curriculum, even in elementary school, junior high, high school, boy, we&#8217;d have the tools and the agency we then restore our agency, because right now it&#8217;s almost like we&#8217;re zombies walking towards the abyss. We don&#8217;t even know it. In science, outside of science, once we actually can see clearly the trajectory, I think there&#8217;s much more chance that we&#8217;re going to be motivated to do different.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>So let&#8217;s dive even a level deeper. You live in the Bay Area and I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re well aware of Elizabeth Holmes and the Theranos debacle.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>We had Tyler Schultz on our Fixing Healthcare podcasts a couple years ago. And of course there were numerous TV shows and books about what happened. As you know, the attorneys are battling over possible retrial. But I&#8217;m fascinated by the question, how much of the deception did she know versus how much was a subconscious shift in her brain that made her see reality different than it was? Of course no one including herself probably knows the answer. So your opinion is as valid as anyone else&#8217;s. What are your thoughts?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I love my opinion being as valid as anyone else&#8217;s. That&#8217;s really empowering, also completely terrifying. Yeah. So with her it&#8217;s fascinating. There clearly had to&#8230; Again, again, and let&#8217;s just pretend that I know what I&#8217;m talking about because again, you can&#8217;t get in someone&#8217;s mind. This is a fallacy in itself, the mind reading policy. But I&#8217;ll say this, just looking at this in human nature, self-deception is powerful. She had every motivation to self-deceive and every motivation to then, by self-deceiving, actually be able to easily deceive others because she believes what she&#8217;s saying. And she&#8217;s got to convince George Schultz, she&#8217;s got to convince pretty smart people who&#8217;ve been around the block and she managed to do it and it got to be that she believed it herself. And yet you can actually have this cognitive dissonance where you believe that stuff and you&#8217;re still trying to cover things up and yo know there&#8217;s stuff going on and that&#8217;s totally squirrelly and all that can coexist.</p>
<p>And I think with her, it&#8217;s a great example and I think there are a lot of people in the startup space and the tech space who are going through that. In a way they know, oh this business model&#8217;s never going to work. It&#8217;s a pipe dream, but if we just keep believing it, we&#8217;ll create a Steve Jobs reality distortion field and people will just go along for the ride and at some point things will work out. And that false optimism it&#8217;s actually a very left brain. The left brain is very optimistic because it just thinks it&#8217;s right and it can self deceive all day long. And then the right hemisphere goes, wait a minute, but it&#8217;s quiet. So I suspect there was something like that going on.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, people&#8217;s desire to see the world differently than if they could be impartial. It&#8217;s just so prevalent. What about Anna Sorokin, the probably fake heiress made famous on the Netflix show, Inventing Anna. Here&#8217;s someone who&#8217;s spending money, throwing a hundred dollar bills around, convincing the world that she is incredibly rich when she&#8217;s basically on the verge of bankruptcy. Look at how many people, I don&#8217;t know if you watched the show, but how many people she was able to deceive. She&#8217;s in prison right now, but I don&#8217;t even know if she knows whether she&#8217;s a real heiress or a fake.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a great story. And again, it speaks to we create reality in our minds, in her mind, whatever she believes. And that reality distortion actually feeds out to other people, because we&#8217;re social. So it doesn&#8217;t surprise me at all. In fact, there have been con people throughout history that have pulled this off and continue to pull it off. Say what you will about, say a cryptocurrency, take two stances on, it&#8217;s a real thing, it&#8217;s deflationary, all these great things about cryptocurrency. And then, but you could also say, well this is a group think led by a few really loud people on social media that has taken people as the Dutch tulip bulb craze did. And if that&#8217;s true, then that&#8217;s a same self-deception. These people actually believe this. I know a lot of them and maybe they&#8217;re right, but if they&#8217;re not right, this is a huge self-deception and on a social level.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>We should probably spend an entire show on cryptocurrency.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I know. We&#8217;ll get canceled for sure man. These guys are vicious, they&#8217;ll kill us.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Because it&#8217;s a lot more than just the scarcity and fear of missing out on the soaring of the dollars as it was in the Netherlands during the tulip bulb inflation rate of the time. But the crypto has its own notion that somehow there&#8217;s this evil force out there that is manipulating the media, that is controlling our lives and that we the populous need to take it out. And we&#8217;re going to do that by using the blockchain technology that underlies cryptocurrency so that every voice becomes equal and equally important. So it has this aura of media three or whatever you want to label it to be, that drives not just the economic analysis of the various currencies, but the value, the mission, the purpose, the higher meaning for these dollar bills.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yes, yes. And what&#8217;s interesting, so there&#8217;s a moral crusade involved, there&#8217;s a deep set of beliefs, there&#8217;s a sense of belonging. You see it with the crypto bros on Twitter and all these guys that are, and mostly guys actually that are doing this thing. And I tell you, I know a lot of them, they are truly passionate about the woes of our current economic system. And what&#8217;s interesting is money is such a human construction anyways, it&#8217;s like when the dollar&#8217;s not backed by gold, what is it backed by? Well, the faith of the US government. So what is cryptocurrency backed by? Well the faith of the masses that believe it&#8217;s worth something. So it&#8217;s fascinating and I have to say this, and I&#8217;ll say this to immunize myself against, attacked by the crypto bros. I have no idea what the answer is. I&#8217;m not an economist. It&#8217;s just a fascinating unfolding and a social group think unfolding too on all sides of it.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve ever heard of a teacher named Ron Jones. He taught-.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, he taught at Cooley High School in Palo Alto in the 1960s. And he was a history teacher and his focus at the time was on fascism and Nazi Germany. And to teach the ethics, the values, the things that happened at the time, he started his class a movement that he called the Third Wave. On day one of the module he insisted that students stand when they spoke with him and always begin with Mr. Jones to demonstrate strength through discipline. On day two he said they had to salute with a cuffed hand to the opposite shoulder to show strength through community. On day three told the class that they were special and that certain others who didn&#8217;t belong were trying to pretend to be members, but they had to be stopped. And this was stray through action.</p>
<p>By day four, the in group had gone from 30 students to 200 and harm was being inflicted on the out group. And, of course, they had to stop the project. In three days he had taken literally hundreds of students and gotten them to get behind a movement which had no value and was oppressing others. I think that&#8217;s the same phenomenon we&#8217;re seeing now in so many of these tribal areas that you&#8217;re describing.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yes. Again, and I believe all of it, it&#8217;s a social group think kind of thing that you can push through, especially if you have a charismatic leader and you don&#8217;t even need that honestly. Now with social media, the charisma is all virtual and you can do all kinds of things. Yeah, Robbie, that&#8217;s why just understanding even the nature of how we think and what our minds do and what even is consciousness is, I think a fundamental piece to avoiding falling into these traps. And even then you&#8217;ll fall into these traps. In fact, in these spiritual circles where you have these gurus, man, these things can devolve into cult-like craziness with all kinds of abuse and misbehavior among the teachers very, very quickly. Even in these groups that are purporting to be enlightened and awake and oh, we understand the nature of reality. Yeah. Okay, let&#8217;s see how that goes. Because again, we&#8217;re humans.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>There&#8217;s an expression that where the pie gets smaller, the table matters deteriorate. As the pressures are about to mount in healthcare, how do you see tribalism playing out?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Healthcare is going to implode at the current rate of growth because it&#8217;s going to drag down everything. It&#8217;s a self-limiting process right now. It&#8217;s got no future in this current configuration. And when that becomes apparent, I think either the early adopters of the next phase of healthcare, whatever health 3.0 that I call it, I think will start to run with it and it&#8217;ll just go, or again, it&#8217;s going to be a bunch of Al Bundy&#8217;s sitting around the table with their hands down their pants burping, and the table manners will have degraded to that level because they&#8217;ll all be clawing for whatever&#8217;s left and it&#8217;s going to be really ugly. And I think we&#8217;ll see maybe some combination of that, I think. But again, as the eternal optimist, you&#8217;re already seeing these bright spots emerging. You&#8217;ve pointed them out, I&#8217;ve pointed them out. I think that&#8217;s just going to become essential and that&#8217;s just going to be the next phase. But yeah, who knows? Who knows?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I have to say you&#8217;re not doing a great job of cheering me up today. In fact, I would say that I&#8217;m a bit more optimistic than you because I actually think there&#8217;s a range of technological solutions that actually could be the answer. But we&#8217;ll say that also for the next show. An idea that our view is right has killed hundreds of millions of people across history. One of my favorite anecdotes, and it&#8217;s a tragic historical story, comes from the 14th century. I don&#8217;t know how familiar you are with this history, but in 1349, the world was in the infamous black plague. And the leading experts from the government, science and academia of Western Europe came together to devise a plan to save the population. I realize by this time the black plague gets spread from the Eastern Mediterranean through most of Eastern Europe. It had killed hundreds of thousands of people over the previous three years.</p>
<p>And those coming to the conference decided that they wanted to stop it from ravaging Western Europe. And they said that research had demonstrated that the plague was derived from fleas, which was correct. And then they made the assumption that since dogs carried fleas, by eliminating dogs, they could eliminate fleas and end the plague. So edicts were passed to each nation to kill all the dogs. But of course, as we know now, the fleas that carried the plague weren&#8217;t the ones in the back of dogs, but the ones carried by rats. And without dogs roaming the street, the rat population and the flea population soared. By three years later, nearly one in three people in the world had died of the plague. I wonder if 50 years from now people will look back at how we treat various diseases at the conclusions that we have reached in areas maybe such as maybe cancer or even heart attacks with similar disbelief about how ignorant we were.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>A thousand percent. They&#8217;re going to, there&#8217;s no doubt that they&#8217;re going to. They&#8217;re going to look at this and there&#8217;s a great scene in one of the Star Trek movies, I think it&#8217;s Star Trek four, where they go back in time to the 20th century and Bones, the doctor is seeing a patient who shows up in the hospital because they&#8217;re trying to rescue Checkov who&#8217;d fallen and had a head injury. And they&#8217;re trying to drill burr holes in Checkov&#8217;s head to relieve the pressure. And Checkov is like burr holes. You&#8217;re drilling big holes in his skull, man. Barbarians. And he&#8217;s applying this 23rd century or 25th century medicine to this and he&#8217;s just like, these people are barbarians. Woman comes up and says, I&#8217;m on dialysis doctor. And he gives her a pill and says, take one of these and call me in the morning. And the next scene she&#8217;s walking and fine and everything&#8217;s perfect.</p>
<p>And I think that contrast of what the future paradigm of medical care is and what we&#8217;re doing now it&#8217;s huge chasm between it. And that&#8217;s why I think we really need to almost think completely differently. What we&#8217;re doing with this, oh, there&#8217;s a drug that finds a receptor and it does this or cancer is this. It&#8217;s like, no, no, no, no, it&#8217;s way more complex than that and we need a complexity science that fits that. And then where does the mind fit into that? Where does the placebo effect fit into that? Where does expectation, the fact that we create our reality fit into that? How do we merge those things? I think we&#8217;re going to look back and go, dude, this was primitive at best. Like, Gilligan&#8217;s Island primitive.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>My sense, Zubin, is that in medicine, both physicians and patients crave simple answers to complex problems, that it&#8217;s our fear that drives and alters our perception, that all of us are at risk of embracing approaches that can seem reasonable, but ultimately prove worthless. How can people as patients, as doctors, as caregivers, as nurses, minimize the probability of falling into that trap?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think we have to start change shifting a culture and the way we talk about things can&#8217;t be, take a pill and call me in the morning. It can&#8217;t be just steal heels and just cut this out and you&#8217;ll be better. It&#8217;s got to be realistic. It&#8217;s got to be relationship based. If you&#8217;re going to help a patient on their own hero&#8217;s journey, as their mentor, as their helper, you have to actually help them create that reality. And some of it is mind created, which means setting expectations, your bedside manner, your connection with them, your relationship, how you treat your peers and your colleagues actually, they pick up on that and your colleagues pick up on that, which changes how they treat the patients and the general level of stress and connectivity and connectedness. So all of that I think has to happen. And actually I think in many ways nurses can lead that because they&#8217;re right there with the patient in that relationship. Sometimes we can be a little detached.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I love it. And when you start leading the parade, I&#8217;ll be marching right behind you. Jeremy, your question for us.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>So we&#8217;re hearing that the COVID vaccine is likely going to be added to the vaccine schedule for children, which would make it a requirement for them to get to attend public schools. We&#8217;re also hearing the CDC is pushing ahead on getting the Omicron boosters approved in children as young as five, while not allowing the clinical trial data to be public. Many respected experts such as Marty Makary and Vanay Prasad have been very critical about how all of this is being handled. One of the most respected vaccine scientists in the world in Dr. Paul Offit is even raising red flags about the lack of transparency and how government agencies and big pharma are cutting corners to get this approved.</p>
<p>What are both of your thoughts on what is happening, what is the long term harm of what is happening in terms of vaccine hesitancy for the tried and true vaccines that are already part of a child&#8217;s vaccine schedule and people&#8217;s faith in the CDC, FDA, NIH overall and increase the levels of tribalism in the country? And also, to sum it up, if you were to be asked to be the next head of the CDC, FDA, NIH, et cetera, what would you do to restore public faith in the organization?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I love these easy questions. These are softball. Okay, so I&#8217;ll take a stab at this one. And I&#8217;ve had Paul on my show, I&#8217;ve had Marty on my show, I&#8217;ve had Vanay on my show, I&#8217;ve had people who are more aligned to give mandates for childhood vaccines. This is my take on this, a vaccine mandate implies a couple of necessities. One is that the thing that you&#8217;re mandating, because you&#8217;re trading off again these moral values. One is liberty versus oppression. So you&#8217;re saying, okay, I&#8217;m going to take away this liberty to decide whether or not to take this vaccine because the greater good of care versus harm and fairness versus cheating is important. So by vaccinating a five year old against coronavirus in school, we&#8217;re somehow going to prevent other children from getting sick or teachers from getting sick. There&#8217;s going to be a community benefit.</p>
<p>And so the argument for the community benefit is not that it prevents transmission because it barely does if at all, maybe initially, but then it wears off. That&#8217;s just the nature of a respiratory virus like Coronavirus. The argument would be, well, we prevent schools from having absenteeism, you prevent other issues like the rare death or disability healthy child from COVID. But the question then is, well, do you mandate that? And when the majority, actually the vast majority of children have had exposure now to coronavirus or vaccine, mostly coronavirus, is it necessary to do that? And what&#8217;s the cost of doing that? So the psychological reactance against the loss of autonomy for parents is real because of our tribalized split society.</p>
<p>So the actualization of this mandate may be that you create more vaccine hesitancy for other childhood vaccines, which are absolutely essential for the collective good, where you need a certain level of vaccination to prevent transmission like measles and mumps, et cetera. So that&#8217;s my take is I think mandating this for children right now is not going to accomplish an improvement in overall public health, but may have the opposite effect even though the intention is good.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>And then to ask you to sum up the other parts, what are your thoughts on the whole lack of transparency with the clinical trial data and even like Paul Offit raising the flags about them wanting to approve that?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think that to a degree everything&#8217;s been politicized. So yes, it&#8217;s in the best interest of whoever&#8217;s in power right now to actually have lower case numbers and so on and have people vaccinated and they believe in that. And I think that&#8217;s fine. I think the lack of, it&#8217;s very easy to tell Pfizer and Moderna, Hey, you have the money, you have a lot of government money. Do a good human trial on these, because this is not flu vaccination, this is a different virus, it&#8217;s a different scenario, flu vaccination, and Paul Offit makes a good distinction between the two. You can&#8217;t just then say, Okay, this is going to&#8230; And because the main question is hospitalizations, severe disease and death. And we don&#8217;t have good evidence with a BA.4-5 vaccine in humans, that those issues are actually improved. You may reduce infection for a transient period of time, but then is that worth a mandate, especially for children?</p>
<p>So it is concerning I think, in my mind. But again, it&#8217;s also concerning that there are people saying, Oh, this thing is causing cancers and it&#8217;s causing infertility. It&#8217;s not. So it&#8217;s just empowering, I think people to be even more divided about this.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>My sense, Jeremy, is that if we had all the data, we would find that the vaccine is safe and it does help reduce the rare 220 children have died under age five from COVID in a couple of years. So it&#8217;s not that it&#8217;s going to be negative or somehow data&#8217;s going to be hidden, that&#8217;s going to say that there actually is tremendous risk. But I&#8217;m a big believer, and if I led any of these agencies, that&#8217;s what I would do in telling the truth. And I think that what people are reacting to and intrinsic in your question is that a mandate doesn&#8217;t make sense in this particular circumstance, or if it does, I can&#8217;t fully explain it. And what I mean by that is the following. A polio mandate makes sense. Why is that? Because polio is a horrible, terrible, lethal disease that is easily spread amongst children. And a vaccine, from my viewpoint, not the old oral ones, but the current variety is safe and the problems are so much less than the consequences for children who get sick.</p>
<p>Similarly, measles is one of the most contagious diseases, and there are well defined significant problems that children have who develop the disease, including one of my great grandparents, not grandparents, but children of my grandparents who died actually from measles as a young child. So those diseases have a logic. What&#8217;s missing in this situation is the logic of mandating it in young children, their risk is very small and you could mandate a lot of things that would have a more beneficial effect than this particular vaccine. Is it possible that the vaccine mandate would improve the health of the nation? It&#8217;s possible, worth debating, but that type of question is different than a mandate of the child who&#8217;s going to get the vaccine because we mandate vaccines for the individual, not for the bigger society.</p>
<p>Now, experts can disagree upon how effective those vaccines are, whether that mandate for the individual is appropriate given the risks of the vaccine. In this case, risks are very low, but the benefits are equally low. And I think sitting in people&#8217;s minds and the critics you&#8217;ve described is this idea of why is it being mandated? What is the truth? Is it really being mandated for the people receiving the shots, or is it being mandated for other reasons? And that&#8217;s where I have the problem, because I&#8217;m not aware of vaccines that we mandate outside of a healthcare setting that is designed to protect other individuals surrounding them. And that&#8217;s why I think the skepticism and the lack of confidence in these agencies exists. And every time you cut a corner, you create a problem in medicine and that leads to more negative than positive, more harm than benefit.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl discuss new research out of Scotland that finds as many as 40% of people experience lingering Covid-19 symptoms months after infection. Is this data reliable and, if so, what does it mean for the long-term treatment of this disease?</p>
<p>You’ll find that and all the other [time stamped] topics discussed during this show here:</p>
<p><strong>[00:49] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[03:23] </strong>Are employer and government vaccine mandates gone for good?</p>
<p><strong>[04:48] </strong>Are other nations dropping Covid-19 restrictions, too?</p>
<p><strong>[06:43] </strong>Are U.S. healthcare providers still under “one-size-fits-all” restrictions?</p>
<p><strong>[08:58] </strong>Do Americans respect/heed CDC guidance?</p>
<p><strong>[09:41]</strong> Is Paxlovid worth taking for people with Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[11:54] What’s the latest on “Long Covid”?</strong></p>
<p><strong>[15:04] </strong>Does Covid-19 infection alter the timing of women’s periods?</p>
<p><strong>[17:28] </strong>What’s the latest research on Covid-19 and kids?</p>
<p><strong>[20:48] </strong>Beyond Covid: Are people more optimistic and fulfilled?</p>
<p><strong>[22:00] </strong>Is polio making a worldwide comeback?</p>
<p><strong>[24:56] </strong>What is the primary care shortage doing to America’s health?</p>
<p><strong>[27:39] </strong>How bad is the medical debt problem in the United States?</p>
<p><strong>[30:14] </strong>What does the Amazon acquisition of One Medical mean for medicine?</p>
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		<title>FHC #68: Diving deep into the medicine’s middlemen &#038; the future giants of healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/10/11/fhc-68-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2022 01:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast series, “Diving Deep,” probes into some of healthcare’s most complex topics and deep-seated problems.</p>
<p>On today’s episode, hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr explore how the middleman mentality is killing American medicine, and then contrast it with how some of the nation’s largest retail companies (including CVS, Walmart and Amazon) are planning to expel the middlemen of medicine with an effective long-term strategy. Whether you provide medical care or receive it, you’ll learn much from this deep dive into the future of healthcare.</p>
<p>For more information on these topics, check out Dr. Pearl’s latest healthcare columns on <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/"><strong>Forbes</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/breaking-the-healthcare-rules-6886483197157285888/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>. For listeners interested in show notes, here’s a discussion guide:</p>
<h5><strong>THE MANY MIDDLEMEN OF MEDICINE </strong></h5>
<ul>
<li>What is a middleman?</li>
<li>What did healthcare look like before middlemen?</li>
<li>When and why did middlemen enter the picture?</li>
<li>What is the ‘middleman mentality’?</li>
<li>What are examples of it in healthcare today?</li>
<li>Are middlemen medicine’s biggest problem?</li>
<li>How does the middleman mindset harm patients and doctors?</li>
<li>Why do middlemen love “fee for service” payments?</li>
<li>How have insurers and insurance purchasers (employers) responded?</li>
<li>What might effective leadership look like in healthcare?</li>
<li>Where does change begin?</li>
</ul>
<h5><strong>AMAZON, CVS, WALMART: PLAYING THE LONG GAME </strong></h5>
<ul>
<li>Retailers are making major news in healthcare. Why?</li>
<li>What are biggest, boldest healthcare acquisitions in recent months?</li>
<li>Based on the past few years, are giant retailers doomed to fail in medicine?</li>
<li>What reason is there to believe Amazon, CVS or Walmart can succeed?</li>
<li>What is the short-term strategy for these retailers in healthcare?</li>
<li>CVS and Amazon paid billions for primary care companies that are losing money. Why?</li>
<li>What’s the middle game for these retailers?</li>
<li>Why are they all interested moving from fee-for-service to capitation?</li>
<li>How do their latest acquisitions and partnerships tie into Medicare Advantage?</li>
<li>What does the long game look like and how long will it take to plat out?</li>
<li>How will the winner be determined?</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
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		<title>FHC #67: Dr. Zeke Emanuel on the virtues of rule breaking</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/10/04/fhc-67-zeke-emanuel/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2022 02:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel has spent a lifetime challenging the establishment. He says that tendency is very much a part of his family’s heritage.</p>
<p>“My mother, not infrequently, would have to be in school because her sons were opposing rules and speaking out when everyone else was silent.”</p>
<p>Those other sons happen to be Rahm Emanuel, the former Chicago Mayor and current U.S. Ambassador to Japan, as well as Ari, an American businessman and CEO of the massive entertainment agency Endeavor.</p>
<p>Zeke, himself, is an oncologist, medical ethicist and a major contributor to the Affordable Care Act legislation. In this interview, hosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>ask him about the rules of medicine that deserve to be broken and who among us can lead the charge for change.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Interview Highlights</u></strong></h3>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h5>On the Emanuel Family</h5>
<p>“We are rulebreakers. My partner is always saying, ‘You think a rule is a good suggestion and not as a rule in the sense that most people think about it.’ I would say that it comes from our parents.. My mother, very early on, and I mean very early on, when she was a teenager, was very dedicated to Civil Rights well before white people and white women were heavily involved in Civil Rights … And then in 1965, right after the election, when Medicare was being debated and legislation was moving and the AMA opposed it, (my dad) quit the AMA.”</p>
<h5><strong>On his reluctant path to medicine</strong></h5>
<p>“I would report myself as a reluctant physician … I really was not very fond of medical school, mainly because I didn&#8217;t like the hierarchy of medicine that everyone deferred to whoever was the most senior person around as opposed to, let&#8217;s have a discussion about this. And I also did not like all the memorization of medicine and what really appeared to me during medical school to be a lot of irrelevancy that I couldn&#8217;t imagine would be really related to treating patients and making advances like relearning the Krebs cycle, like the Startling law and things like that.</p>
<h5><strong>On regrets with the AFFORDABLE CARE ACT</strong></h5>
<p>“There are a lot of things I wish I had pushed harder on, and a lot of things I wish I had thought more deeply about. I would say top of that list of things that I wish I had thought more deeply about and emphasized more is more simplicity in our system. One of the things I think that the Affordable Care Act unfortunately did is to actually make the system much more complicated, and I think that is a problem. I think it&#8217;s one of the major problems of the American healthcare system. It&#8217;s so damn complicated to use. It&#8217;s really, really hard for people who aren&#8217;t focused on health. And even if you are focused, we had to invent the whole new category of employment called Navigators because it&#8217;s become so mind-numbingly complex.</p>
<h5><strong>On dealing with death as doctors</strong></h5>
<p>“I do think that medicine has moved on since the time that you and I trained in the sense that when we were training almost every patient who died in the hospital got resuscitated. DNR orders were still controversial. Withdrawing treatment was still controversial. We didn&#8217;t talk to patients about it, and the majority of patients were dying in the hospital. Well, I spent a lot of time in the end-of-life care field, first of all trying to understand what really motivated patients and then trying to change our norms about it. And I think the norms have changed … I think that this notion of do everything no matter what has evolved, and I think that&#8217;s super important.”</p>
<h5><strong>On ‘Why I hope to die at 75’ (his 2014 column in <em>The Atlantic</em>)</strong></h5>
<p>“Human beings are on a spectrum or a bell-shaped curve or some kind of curve, where some people are cognitively intact, are physically intact well after 75. Most of us are not outliers like that. Most of us are solidly in the middle. And what you see is in the middle, the rate of Alzheimer&#8217;s goes up at 75 … People retire, they end up being less creative. They&#8217;re just not producing and contributing in the same way, and that&#8217;s not the way I see my life. I don&#8217;t want my children or other people to remember me in a particular way. I want to go out being very active, totally intellectually engaged, physically fit. And so that&#8217;s 75. And, again, it&#8217;s just playing the numbers.”</p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Zeke-Emanuel_Episode-67.pdf"><strong>READ: Full transcript with Zeke Emanuel</strong></a></p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #66: Right brain vs. left brain in medicine </title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2022 22:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Galileo, Darwin and Einstein: three historical figures who changed the way we view the world. Galileo broke the myth that we’re the center of the universe. Darwin proved that humans evolved slowly, not through sudden divine action. Einstein’s theories of relativity led to new ways of looking at time, space, matter, energy and gravity.</p>
<p>Each of these critical thinkers helped humanity take massive leaps forward. But have some of their lessons been lost on the medical profession? In this episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, sans cohost Jeremy Corr who was out with illness, Dr. Robert Pearl joins ZDoggMD to probe the left and right brain for answers.</p>
<p>Are doctors convinced they’re *not* the center of the universe – or least the center of health and medicine? Borrowing from Darwin, if life is evolutionary and *not* divinely given, then how much of the end-of-life care doctors provide does more harm than good? And if time and space are *not* static or objective, should the scientific method be the final arbiter for medicine or should we follow a different master?</p>
<p>To find out, press play or peruse the transcript below.</p>
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<h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong>UNFILTERED TRANSCRIPT</strong></h4>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Welcome to Unfiltered, our newest program on our weekly, Fixing Healthcare Podcast series. As usual, joining me today is Dr. Zubin Damania, known to many as ZDoggMD. Unfortunately, Jeremy has lost his voice, a terrible problem for a podcaster. As such, I&#8217;m going to have to do his part of today&#8217;s show as well as mine. For 25 minutes, Zubin and I will engage in unscripted, and I predict, hard-hitting conversation about art, politics, entertainment and much more. We&#8217;ll apply the lessons we extract to medical practice. I&#8217;ll then pose a question for the two of us to consider that Jeremy might have asked, to conclude the episode. Zubin, are you ready?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, I&#8217;m ready. It looks like all your years of being an understudy for Jeremy&#8230; Jeremy, they&#8217;re finally coming to fruition. You finally get to step up into the lead role.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Excellent, excellent. So, let me start Zubin, by clarifying another of the many rumors about you that I see on social media. So, is it true that they asked you to be the king after the death of Queen Elizabeth, but you turned them down?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I turned them down because honestly, I didn&#8217;t have a circular enough family tree to have the requisite recessive genes to be a monarch. I was too out bred, honestly, that was part of the problem.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>You could have had a poison ivy, poison oak kind of family tree, I think. Right?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Exactly. I mean, all seriousness though. The loss of the queen was like the loss of a common mythology. We were talking about the hero&#8217;s journey the other week, and this idea that we have this shared identity. Most people in living memory do not remember not having Queen Elizabeth as the monarch of Great Britain. So, it actually is a grieving process for everybody in a way.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Well, anyone under the age of 70 wasn&#8217;t alive, and probably they don&#8217;t have very many remembrances until at least age 10. So, anyone under the age of 80 can&#8217;t remember a time before that. Probably anyone over the age of 80 might have forgotten some of the things way back then, so we&#8217;re left with the fact that no one could remember a time without Queen Elizabeth.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think that math is correct. Yes. I believe it.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>So, anyways, we heard from lots of listeners that they enjoyed the conversation we had about Amazon&#8217;s acquisition of One Medical, and the implications it has for American medicine. Since then, as you know, CVS acquired a company called Signify, and the company employs 10,000 physicians to provide in-person and virtual at home care. United Health, which already employs over 50,000 doctors, signed a 10 year agreement with Walmart. In your opinion, Zubin, how nervous should physicians be and what do you recommend they do now?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Well, I mean, I think this is clearly an epiphenomenon of how we&#8217;ve actually failed to do the job of healthcare that Americans actually want. So, private industry is stepping up, and with the probable some degree of hubris that they can do it better than physicians. But the truth is, they have the resources, the drive, the time horizon and the incentive because they&#8217;re paying, their footing the bill for their own employees. So, I would be concerned quite a bit if Amazon, if CVS, if these guys are all partnering to do this, that they&#8217;re going to at least have a shot at succeeding on some level. That&#8217;s going to put the pressure on regular physician groups and multi-specialty groups to step up as well. This is something that&#8217;s probably been a long time coming and probably overdue.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I mean, I&#8217;d argue that we have refused to take the lead, and as long as there&#8217;s a vacuum and a void, someone else will come into it, so why not be one of the big businesses in the United States?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. I mean I think that&#8217;s the bottom line. Especially with the Amazon thing, it&#8217;s interesting because again, Iora Health are partners at our clinic in Las Vegas, to see it go full circle back to Amazon, I&#8217;m just&#8230; Again, if they get it right, they really have a very powerful model in their hands. If they can scale it for chronic disease that the Iora model and for the consumer, the younger people, the One Medical model, I would be very nervous right now if I were in the traditional healthcare system. I think doctors can no longer just say, &#8220;Oh, you know what? I&#8217;m just going to keep my head down and hope it all settles out.&#8221; It&#8217;s like, we have to lead, because if we don&#8217;t, it really will be the technocracy that leads it, and it won&#8217;t be the best for, I think, the physician/patient relationship moving forward. So, we do have to start to lead, because we&#8217;ve really dropped the ball, like you said.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>This morning, Zubin, I published an article in Forbes on leadership, or at least what I see is its lack in healthcare today. So, the listeners should be aware, you probably haven&#8217;t had a chance to read it, but I&#8217;d like your thoughts on the following paradox. From my perspective, the challenges in healthcare are massive: lack of affordability, lagging quality burnout, healthcare disparities, we could go on for the entire show today, just listing the ones that are there. Yet most of the efforts I observe that people and companies inside healthcare are doing, they&#8217;re focused, Zubin, on a small opportunity often, an incremental improvement. Do you see the need for a massive change? If so, who should and who do you think will lead it?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Well, what I think is happening is this is indicative of our societal shift in general towards this micro thinking, reductionism, left-brain scenario. There&#8217;s a lot of misunderstandings about left brain, right brain schism, by the way, Robbie. Like Iain McGilchrist, a psychiatrist, neuroscientist in Great Britain wrote a great book called Master and His Emissary, about the actual debunking some of that mythology. The mythology that the left brain is the rational clear thinker, sees strategically and so on, that&#8217;s not true. The left brain takes wholes and breaks it into parts. It always thinks it&#8217;s right. It has righteous anger, it&#8217;s a reductionist, and it is isolated from the whole, and that&#8217;s what it is. It&#8217;s a grasping tool.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s the right brain that sees things holistically as a bigger picture, and sees parts in their context. In medicine, I think what we&#8217;ve done is we&#8217;ve tried to, oh, well we can improve this little thing, or we can build this little widget a little better, and we build this little widget, and you forget that this is a multidimensional interdependent organism that is healthcare. Who is going to lead that? It has to be the part of that organism that does the operating end of it, and that&#8217;s physicians and clinicians and people in that space. They really haven&#8217;t. What happens is now you have this technical reductionism, where you have people working on these different parts, and they talk about, &#8220;Oh, now I&#8217;m wearing a Fitbit, and here&#8217;s this data.&#8221; It&#8217;s like, how does that data plug into the bigger picture, and what are the hopes, dreams and fears of the patient that you&#8217;re getting that data from? How does this relate to outcomes that matter to them, and that also save money in the economic game and so on?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>It has to be, I think, physician leaders in partnership with business leaders, in partnership with economists, in partnership with businesses, because they have so much skin in the game. What is it? Half of all the spending in the country on healthcare is from our large employers, employers in general. We have to look at it more with a right brain, left brain collusion, more of a balance. We haven&#8217;t done that. It&#8217;s just like the rest of society, we reduce and reduce and reduce, and it becomes this technocracy.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Are you saying that the right brain, and again, speaking really metaphorically not anatomically, but that the right brain is the more logical of the two hemispheres?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>No. It&#8217;s more that the right brain sees things more in context. It is actually more emotionally intelligent according to McGilchrist. He lays out in 1,000 pages why this is so. It actually was the master in the original relationship, and as societies and individuals evolve over time, the left brain, which was the servant, it actually evolved to help the right brain break things into parts and manage little tasks and things like that, it actually started to think it was the boss, and that by breaking things into parts, you could recreate wholes from the parts. It doesn&#8217;t work that way. It&#8217;s the emissary suddenly usurping the role of the master. This is metaphor, but it&#8217;s also based on studies off split brain patients, on people who&#8217;ve had strokes in different sides of the brain and seeing what happens.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>For example, people who&#8217;ve had right brain strokes, where parts of the right brain are knocked out, they tend to not see things contextually. They&#8217;re very concrete, they live in abstractions, they&#8217;re unable to function in society. Whereas left brain strokes, people tend to overcome them. Often you lose speech or language, and language is a very reductionist thing too because it breaks things into parts and subject and object. But you still function actually reasonably well. So, it&#8217;s really quite fascinating that&#8230; He points out to western civilization, as society evolves it shifts to a more left brain dominant space before it collapses. He goes to a lot of history and different big civilizations and what ends up happening. They become these huge bureaucracies. Bureaucracy is the domain of the left brain. What you really need is a corpus callosum that connects the two, that actually brings balance, where master and emissary are in harmony. We&#8217;re losing a little bit of that balance it feels like, definitely in healthcare, but in society in general.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I love that analogy. Let me take it a step further. It seems to me that the context of medicine is the unaffordability for the patient. It&#8217;s the fact that we don&#8217;t do as good a job on prevention, avoids the complications from chronic disease, as we might. It&#8217;s looking at the technology that we value, like the operative robot and the technology that we tend to minimize, even now, like telemedicine. It seems to me that maybe what you&#8217;re saying is that as physicians, we are really trained in the left brain, multiple choice questions and four answers, and that we need to have a lot more of this sophisticated understanding of the right brain.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>That&#8217;s it exactly. I think you nailed it. I think in medicine we really are left brain oriented through our education. That right brain, that&#8217;s why we ought to be screening physicians, not so much on MCAT scores and these reductionist pieces, but on emotional intelligence, creativity, imagination, those pieces that are very right brain, left brain synergies. Like you said, I think taking a patient out of his or her context, is problematic. Their social determinants of health and all of that are a big piece of it, that&#8217;s their context. Their family, their community, their culture, all of that rolls in. Then it&#8217;s the same with medicine. If you take a piece of data out of context of the bigger picture, it doesn&#8217;t mean anything.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>In fact, it leads to more reductionist poking and iatrogenesis and cost from causing harm and those kind of things, where we&#8217;re doing things to people instead of for the larger person. So, I think it is a very good metaphor actually, a good model for where we might be going wrong. It&#8217;s not limited to medicine, but I think medicine is the best example of it, because it&#8217;s such a human enterprise. When you start to see it go out of balance, people know it. They may not be able to articulate it, but saying, well here&#8217;s a model that might actually put it in words, in some kind of structure, it might be helpful for people to go, okay. So, how can we overcome that?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Do you have a view how it&#8217;s going to happen? Is it going to be an individual like yourself who started a program in Las Vegas? It had to close in the end. But today, might have been successful. Is it going to be a medical group led by some CEO? Is it going to be some type of medical society? How do you see this, I&#8217;ll call it massive change, disruption is what a business student would call it, happening, a transformation of how healthcare needs to be provided? How are you going to get ahead of the curve, rather than letting these other organizations like Amazon and CVS beat us to the punch?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. That&#8217;s a great question. Disruption in the classical tech, say a tech company or something disruption, it really is a very&#8230; It&#8217;s almost like a single site mutation. You do this one thing better and you do it cheaper, and initially the quality isn&#8217;t as good. Then over time it gets better, and really suddenly that other big old school legacy company is out of business because you&#8217;ve disrupted their model. In healthcare that more reductionist left brain disruption can&#8217;t happen. It has to be a holistic, multifocal, almost like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly, every organ transforms. That means all the entities that you listed, I think, have to be a part of it. They all have to wake up a little bit to, okay. What&#8217;s the problem? Because a problem well defined is already half solved, as they say.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Then each of us starting to work on solutions, but connecting with each other so that we never miss the big picture, because otherwise we&#8217;re just spinning our wheels in the dark. Like the old metaphor of the elephant, trying to figure out what is this creature, and blind people, these blind wise men, each touching a different part of the elephant and not understanding that it&#8217;s an elephant, until they actually talk to each other. So, that&#8217;s what we haven&#8217;t really done a lot of, is connecting across these different spectrum. Like you said, the medical societies and the big healthcare organizations and the small healthcare organizations, and the on the ground doctor and so on.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Listening to you, Zubin, I&#8217;m reminded of something that I read about three historical figures who change the way we see the world, because I think what you&#8217;re describing is that doctors need to see things different, see them in context. These three people, pretty famous, Galileo, Darwin and Einstein, and how their discoveries contradicted how humans see the world and ourselves. Galileo broke the myth that we&#8217;re the center of the universe. Darwin proved that we became human through slow evolution, not a sudden divine action. Einstein demonstrated that everything is relative, and maybe we can apply this a little bit to medicine. As doctors, we see ourselves at the center of medical care delivery. We see our judgment as the best way to reach the optimal approach for a patient&#8217;s problem. But maybe, just what if it&#8217;s actually complex data analytics or even artificial intelligence? How will we know that we need to change and what do you think we&#8217;re going to do about it?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. This is a great question, because as you&#8217;ve pointed out, Robbie, in your books, physicians in particular are the masters of denial. So, we can continue to drill down in our little piece of the world, thinking that we&#8217;re doing good and at least convincing ourselves of it, because we&#8217;re generally pretty good people. I think what happens though is we need to wake up that it&#8217;s not working. I think many of us intuitively feel it. Some people will say, well, this is a function of burnout and we don&#8217;t get enough resources and we don&#8217;t get enough tools and trust and teams and so on. To some extent that&#8217;s absolutely true. But to another extent it&#8217;s just that we are drilling down in the wrong direction. I think people who work in primary care feel this very acutely because they see what&#8217;s broken.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>They know intuitively what needs to happen with their patients, that it is a contextual thing. It&#8217;s a much more intricate web and they need the time to spend, but also the tools. Like you said, the AI and the data analytics to give them the best possible tools. Everything that can be mechanized is mechanized, and then apply it to that unique complex human entity that&#8217;s in front of you. That has spiritual components, it has scientific components, it has psychological components, everything is bio psychosocial at root. To some degree, it&#8217;s waking up from our own slumber on this, our own denial on this. I think people are waking up. So, it might be that we don&#8217;t even predict it, Robbie, that all of a sudden there&#8217;ll be this mass tidal wave, the culture will shift, we&#8217;ll all wake up and then it will just start to avalanche, the change. But that&#8217;s an optimists view and I tend to be an optimist, so I&#8217;m hoping that it&#8217;s right.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>When I look at it, I wrote a little bit about it in the piece today, it would seem that the people who would really be pushing for a move from Fee For Service to capitation would be primary care. I mean, in a Fee For Service world, the only way you can generate more revenue is seeing more patients. That&#8217;s what&#8217;s happening today. We&#8217;re seeing more and more patients all the time, which means that the amount of time per patient is going away, and all the things you just discussed, all of the contextual ways. We need to understand the individual in terms of the social world in which they exist. There&#8217;s no time to figure that out. Whereas in a capitated world, the way you are economically successful is by taking out the things that add little benefit for the patient, and by helping the individual avoid disease and avoid the complications from chronic disease. Yet outside of a few groups that are across the nation in primary care, I&#8217;m not hearing the big primary care societies pushing for it. Why not?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think they&#8217;ve been burned by the promise of capitation not actually panning out in their lives. So, if you&#8217;re capitated, and everything you said is absolutely correct, and that was our belief at Turntable and Iora, it&#8217;s like, give us a chunk of money to care for these patients, and we&#8217;ll do it right. Now, the question I think becomes, how much is that chunk of money? Because you can certainly spend more time and apply more levers and resources to those patients if you have a little more money per patient, per month. Then what your panel size is, what&#8217;s your support? What are the tools that you have and the teams, the human resources? Then are you given the trust to actually have those outcomes happen if your skin&#8217;s in the game somehow? You&#8217;re a part of the organization and you feel really invested in it, then you will do that.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>But we all know the stories of, there&#8217;s some people who&#8230; It&#8217;s almost like quiet quitting. They&#8217;ll phone it in because they know they&#8217;re getting this or that salary or whatever, and the patients are capitated so they&#8217;ll have a big panel, but they&#8217;ll do the minimal necessary and the organization suffers. So, I think it&#8217;s just getting the details right. It&#8217;s actually just figuring out those bits. Some of that is culture and leadership and those sort of things. But I&#8217;m curious what you think, since you led one of these large, very successful organizations for so many years.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>My sense is that capitation generates fear, because you&#8217;re now actually responsible. You can&#8217;t just do something and expect to get paid for it. If things go wrong, and you&#8217;re absolutely right, you&#8217;ve got to get the amount of capitation right, you have to have some protection against things like a transplant and other things that are just unexpected, COVID hitting this shore. So, you need to have it negotiated correctly. But it does require things that I think are not intrinsically built into doctors after their training. One is this willingness to take risk, that&#8217;s much more of an entrepreneurial piece. The second is it requires tremendous collaboration. Third, it requires that everyone agree on how they&#8217;re going to take care of a problem and having agreed, actually do it. We love autonomy. We like to be able to do whatever we want to do. I think that that is problematic, and ultimately all the things we learn as physicians are anti capitation. They favor Fee For Service. It&#8217;s just that in the current world, Fee For Service doesn&#8217;t work, from my perspective.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think that was really well put. I think that&#8217;s directly it. It&#8217;s our culture. I mean, there are many doctors even listening to this conversation, who&#8217;ll say, &#8220;Oh God. They&#8217;re talking about capitation, and they don&#8217;t understand that that&#8217;s a loss of autonomy, and it&#8217;s this and the other thing.&#8221; To that degree, they&#8217;re correct in the sense that you can&#8217;t just go and do anything you want. There is a collective shared agreement that you&#8217;re trying to coordinate, almost like an organism. If you&#8217;re a tissue in a body, you do coordinate with the other tissues and organs and systems, and there is a general ethos and telos and flow to where you&#8217;re going. I think we&#8217;ve not had that in health 1.0 and 2.0. 2.0 is more of a top down, okay, we&#8217;re just going to do this. And then there&#8217;s general rebellion or quiet quitting, just phoning it in.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think a 3.0 model is more, okay. Listen, no. Actually we need to change even our expectations, what it means to be a physician and what it means to work in a large organization, or even a smaller organization or as part of a defacto network of physicians. So, some people opt out and they go, I&#8217;m going to do direct primary care and I&#8217;ll get a capitated rate to take care of patients and I&#8217;ll do it my way. That&#8217;s wonderful, except that it doesn&#8217;t integrate with the larger system unless they generate structures to do that. So it is kind of one of the big challenges moving forward.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Well, that model requires that people be able to pay a lot more to get the added convenience. There&#8217;s a segment that can do that, but it won&#8217;t solve the problem of the more general population. Again, I just see that I would much rather generate income by helping patients avoid heart attacks and strokes and cancer. When I became the CEO in Kaiser Permanente, our hypertension control rate, the number one cause of stroke, was similar to the rest of the nation, a little bit better. We were maybe at 60%, the nation was 55. We agreed that every doctor, not just primary care, would look at the blood pressure. Maybe the specialist couldn&#8217;t take care of it, but the specialist would know whether it was normal or not and could make sure the patient got taken care of. We got that over 90% diminishing strokes by 30%, the same when it came to heart disease with blood lipids, hypertension, smoking, et cetera.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>We dropped the rate of patients developing a heart attack by 40%, the chance of dying from heart disease by 50%. Same thing when it came to colon cancer. Every doctor can look on a chart and say, &#8220;Did you have your proper screening?&#8221; I don&#8217;t mean having some kind of colonoscopy. I&#8217;m talking about getting a FIT test, a fecal immunochemical test that you can do in your bathroom in five minutes at home without a bowel prep. How hard should it be? The nation is around 60%. We got up to 90%. Again, saving 40% of people from developing metastatic disease and cancer. These are the kinds of things I would think would drive doctors to say, I&#8217;d much rather do those things than add another patient and another patient and another patient. But somehow that passion isn&#8217;t there. Again, when you ask me why, I just think there&#8217;s this fear that somehow we&#8217;re going to give up what we have today. When I look at it, what we have today isn&#8217;t that great.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. I think that&#8217;s it. The stuff you&#8217;re talking about isn&#8217;t sexy. It&#8217;s not sexy to prevent a colon cancer, or prevent a heart attack. It&#8217;s sexy to go in with a stent and dramatically open up, get Timmy three flow out of this thing that&#8217;s acutely occluded. That&#8217;s the cool autonomy, and that&#8217;s where you&#8217;re the Top Gun maverick, doing your thing. I think we&#8217;re very conditioned by that kind of glory, and not looking at the just sheer number of lives and suffering, and area under the curve of good we&#8217;re doing in the world, by what you&#8217;re pointing at. Again, that&#8217;s cultural conditioning from years. It&#8217;s almost like a karmic thing. How many millennia physicians have had this kind of autonomy and shamonic role in the community, and they feel that it&#8217;s being reduced? But I think there&#8217;s room for all of that. There is a holistic way of looking at this that actually incorporates all aspects of that. Again, some of it becomes a cultural shift. What gives us joy in medicine?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>So, I hate to think of a show when we&#8217;re not controversial, so let me look at that in the same context and move on to Darwin. If life is evolutionary and not divinely given, then might much of our end of life care be creating more harm than good? Or phrased differently, Zubin, is the idea to save a life at any cost an artificial construct? If it is an artificial construct, what should we doing? I mean, I think of patients I&#8217;ve taken care of with head and neck, cancer of the tongue, who&#8217;ve had a series of surgeries, they can&#8217;t speak, they can&#8217;t eat, they can&#8217;t breathe. Or I just read about a patient who spent 900 days intubated on a respirator in the ICU after COVID. When does medical care become torture?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh. This, again, it gets back to this left brain, right brain thing. There is no part of a right brain approach to this issue that would do the 900 days COVID post ventilator thing. Because again, that&#8217;s doing things to people, it&#8217;s turning people into machines that are failing as a model. The left brain is a machine and the machine is working or not working. Humans are not&#8230; They can&#8217;t be reduced to mechanistics. They&#8217;re very dynamic, crazy, complex processes that include this element of spirituality. Even a non-religious spirituality where it&#8217;s like, no, there&#8217;s meaning, there&#8217;s purpose, there&#8217;s awareness. That&#8217;s what makes humans just absolutely beyond any mechanistic description of them, that could reduce anything to that. So, what we&#8217;re doing now is, from an evolutionary standpoint, it&#8217;s crazy, because it doesn&#8217;t make any sense. Of course, we&#8217;re a little beyond even standard evolution now because our technology is helping us.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So, we&#8217;re evolving our technology as a proxy for our DNA. It doesn&#8217;t even make sense, I think, from any religious based, spiritual approach because it&#8217;s decidedly unnatural to draw things out in a way that is against what even the patient would want if they were able to speak. We haven&#8217;t had the conversations, we&#8217;re fear-based. Ultimately, Robbie, it&#8217;s our fear of death because we are in the dark as to what it is we actually are. So, we live in this dark hall of fear, and as doctors we suffer from it because we won&#8217;t even talk about it with our patients, because in some way it reflects back to us and our accomplishments and our conditioning and our culture.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I wonder how you&#8217;re going to apply this left brain, right brain, right brain putting in context to the things we&#8217;ve learned from Albert Einstein. The idea that somehow everything is relative. Is that a question of putting into context, taking it out of context? Is the scientific method, the final arbiter for medicine, or should we follow a different master?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, man, you&#8217;re asking a good question. So, Einstein, fascinating guy, because what he would do, you would think, Einstein&#8217;s the epitome of the left brained scientist. Not at all. In fact, what McGilchrist argues in his book is that the idea of science and reason is not a left brain thing. Reason is a right brain scenario. It&#8217;s taking data from the world, taking information, and actually applying the filter of context and common sense. What Einstein used to do is he would bang away at a problem in a reductionist way as long as he could, and then he would stop and he would just give up and he would go to sleep. The inductive, intuitive processes that are much more right brain oriented, would speak. That&#8217;s how he would get these insights that were beyond.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I mean, how would you derive the theory of relativity from first principles? You can&#8217;t. It&#8217;s almost an intuitive leap that he made. The fact that everything is relative, that time and space are plastic, was a transformative idea. Even Einstein would say things like, &#8220;We&#8217;re trying to probe the mind of God here. The more you look, the deeper the mystery, and you should celebrate the mystery.&#8221; So, again, I think it relates again to this idea that the mind is a mind divided into these realms. Increasingly one realm is becoming ascendant, and it may not be the realm that should be ascended. It&#8217;s the servant rather than the master.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>With Jeremy not being here today, I have to take a guess, Zubin, about a question he might ask. He&#8217;s an historian, so I&#8217;m going to ask you, given everything you&#8217;ve talked about for the past half hour, if you had to pick a president from the past to lead healthcare into the future, one who could understand this newer definition of left brain and right brain, who would it be and why?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Wow, man. That&#8217;s putting me on the spot. Let me think of my history here. I think it would be a split between Teddy Roosevelt perhaps, FDR or JFK. The reason I picked these three is what they found, what they could do it seemed, was integrate very complex information like World War II with FDR. Teddy Roosevelt, more the general milieu of everything in the wars that were going on and so on. But in John F. Kennedy, with the moonshot, the Soviets, the Cuban Missile Crisis, integrate all this kind of reductionist data with deep understanding of the connections between humans, how to inspire them, how to move them through crisis, how to actually embody some of the values that we claim to have in America, and embody them and show them in a way that actually inspires others. I think I would vote for those guys. They were the perfect balance of right brain, left brain, and the transcendent quality that comes when those are in balance.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I too think of three people. One person is Abraham Lincoln, who tackled probably the hardest question our nation has had, that of slavery. Which should be an easy question, but not in the context in which he lived. He had to balance the sides, he had to bring into his cabinet, as Doris Kearns Goodwin has pointed out, individuals from different backgrounds, often not from his own party. He was able to not do what most people would do, I will call it left brain, in quotes, logical approach. But to put everything into a context. I agree with you also about JFK. But to me, the big thing is, he was going to take the leap, put a man on the moon. I think for healthcare, that&#8217;s what we need.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>We need someone willing to take the risk, willing to make that commitment, not just sometime in the future, but he set a 10 year deadline and met that deadline. The third person I&#8217;d put is George Washington. I&#8217;d put him for two reasons. First of all, in the context of the immediate, he could see the difference between the United States being a free country, and being a country under Britain, he could see the opportunities through linking together with the French. Then, when he could have become a monarch and taken a third term and fourth term, he could see the problems that would create, and he put the nation in front of himself. I think that that&#8217;s going to be required for us to move healthcare into the future. We&#8217;ll see whether medicine can have the kinds of leaders that you and I both see and see what Jeremy says in the next program.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>For the listeners, we hope you enjoyed this podcast, and will tell your friends and colleagues about it. Please follow Fixing Healthcare on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or whatever other podcast platform you use. If you like the show, please rate at five stars and leave a review. If you want more information on healthcare topics, you can visit my website, robertpearlmd.com, or our website @fixinghealthcarepodcast.com. You can follow us on LinkedIn, Facebook and Twitter, at Fixing HC Podcast. Thank you for listening to Fixing Healthcare&#8217;s newest series, Unfiltered, with Dr. Robert Pearl, Jeremy Corr, and Dr. Zubin Damania. Have a great day.</p>
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		<title>FHC #65: Diving deep into Amazon and Apple’s healthcare ambitions</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/09/20/fhc-65-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2022 21:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast series, “Diving Deep,” probes some of healthcare’s most complex topics and deep-seated problems. On today’s episode, Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr talk about two of the world’s biggest tech companies and their potential impact on American healthcare.</p>
<p>Later in the episode, the hosts revisit the three biggest threats facing healthcare and discuss solutions that can and must be implemented in the next two years.</p>
<p>For more information on these topics, check out Dr. Pearl’s latest healthcare columns on <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/"><strong>Forbes</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/breaking-the-healthcare-rules-6886483197157285888/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>. For listeners interested in show notes, here’s a time-stamped discussion guide:</p>
<h5><strong>AMAZON VS APPLE</strong></h5>
<p><strong>[01:08] </strong>How much of an impact has technology had on medical practice in the 21<sup>st</sup> century?</p>
<p><strong>[01:55] </strong>Don’t doctors want to be at the cutting edge of technology?</p>
<p><strong>[03:38] </strong>How are tech companies trying to penetrate healthcare’s $4.1 trillion market?</p>
<p><strong>[04:18] </strong>What is the unwritten rule of health technology?</p>
<p><strong>[05:32] </strong>Is Apple breaking or following this unwritten rule?</p>
<p><strong>[07:45] </strong>Can Apple make a meaningful difference on human health?</p>
<p><strong>[08:50] </strong>Can Apple profit in healthcare without fundamentally improving health?</p>
<p><strong>[11:21] </strong>What could Apple do differently?</p>
<p><strong>[12:35] </strong>What would be the impact of a medical device created by Apple?</p>
<p><strong>[15:14] </strong>Why hasn’t it happened yet?</p>
<p><strong>[16:00] </strong>How is Amazon’s healthcare strategy different?</p>
<p><strong>[17:03] </strong>What’s Amazon’s long-term goal?</p>
<p><strong>[17:44] </strong>Hasn’t Amazon failed twice before in this space?</p>
<p><strong>[18:39] </strong>What happened with Haven and Amazon’s telehealth platform?</p>
<p><strong>[19:42] </strong>What’s the biggest hurdle Amazon will need to overcome?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h5><strong>HEALTHCARE’S 3 BIGGEST THREATS</strong></h5>
<p><strong>[23:20] </strong>What is healthcare’s “perfect storm” and is it heading our way?</p>
<p><strong>[24:39] </strong>Where will the impact be the greatest from the three “mega forces”?</p>
<p><strong>[25:42] </strong>What options do hospital leaders have to temper the storm?</p>
<p><strong>[27:34] </strong>What’s the first action needed?</p>
<p><strong>[28:25] </strong>How, exactly, could hospital leaders quickly to reduce cost, increase access and improve professional satisfaction?</p>
<p><strong>[30:24] </strong>Could the right hire actually decrease the cost of care?</p>
<p><strong>[32:05] </strong>What’s the second action needed?</p>
<p><strong>[33:25] </strong>How might this concept be applied to the work that doctors do?</p>
<p><strong>[34:42] </strong>What’s the third action needed?</p>
<p><strong>[36:44] </strong>Why haven’t these changes been made yet and what’s next?</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>CTT #65: Why are Moderna and Pfizer going to war?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/09/13/ctt-65-why-are-moderna-and-pfizer-going-to-war/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl discuss the battle between the current Covid-19 vaccine manufacturers, the next generation of mRNA vaccines, and the latest on America’s monkey pox fears.</p>
<p>You’ll find these topics and others discussed during this show here:</p>
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<li>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</li>
<li>How are future Covid-19 vaccine shots being positioned by the federal government?</li>
<li>Listener question: “Why did the government decide to stop paying for everything Covid-19 related and leave that to private insurers?” Will this apply to this next generation vaccine?”</li>
<li>Why aren’t Moderna and Pfizer playing nice with each other?</li>
<li>How profitable have the vaccines and treatments been for these two companies?</li>
<li>Are employers still requiring vaccines? What has happened to those that did?</li>
<li>Have Americans changed their approach to COVID and vaccine requirements since last we spoke?</li>
<li>Listener question: “Is there any data that Paxlovid actually saves lives?”</li>
<li>What’s the latest science relative to Covid-19 and kids?</li>
<li>What is the current science on monkey pox and the people who contract it?</li>
<li>Listener question: “Has anyone died so far from Monkey Pox?”</li>
<li>How have healthcare professionals administered monkey pox vaccines?</li>
<li>How has Covid-19 impacted life expectancy?</li>
<li>Listener question: “I couldn’t tell from your last episode, are the drug coupons that manufacturers give out is positive or problematic?”</li>
<li>What’s new beyond Covid-19?</li>
<li>How would consumers feel about getting medical care through Amazon, CVS or Walgreens?</li>
</ul>
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		<title>FHC #64: The hero&#8217;s journey in healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/09/07/fhc-64-heros-journey/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2022 14:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>American writer Joseph Campbell famously studied and diagramed the hero’s journey in folklore and literature. That journey begins with a call to adventure, prompting the hero’s reluctance—often due to a fear of failure. Along the way, mentors lends guidance and help, but it is ultimately the hero, alone, who must summon the courage to win the day.</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, hosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl join ZDoggMD to discuss <strong>the hero’s journey in healthcare</strong>. In every medical professional’s career, there is a calling, a fear of failure and people along the way who provide support (or pose additional challenges).</p>
<p>Who are healthcare’s heroes these days? What are the dragons that need slaying? How do we overcome our fears of failure in medicine? What journeys lie ahead for the future of American healthcare?</p>
<p>The show concludes with a question posed in our last episode. We asked listeners on social media: “What medical hero or moment in history deserves its own Hollywood adaptation?” The answers may surprise you.</p>
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<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>Welcome to Unfiltered, our newest program in our weekly Fixing Healthcare podcast series. Joining us each month is Dr. Zubin Damania, known to many as ZDoggMD. For 25 minutes, he and Robbie will engage in unscripted and hard-hitting conversation about art, politics, entertainment, and much more. As nationally recognized physicians and healthcare policy experts, they&#8217;ll apply the lessons they extract to medical practice. Then I&#8217;ll pose a question for the two of them as a patient based on what I&#8217;ve heard. Robbie, why don&#8217;t you kick it off?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Good morning, Zubin. How are you doing?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Top of the morning, Robbie.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Excellent. I&#8217;ve heard from dozens of listeners, who have said they can&#8217;t wait to hear us talk about the hero&#8217;s journey that you mentioned in our last Unfiltered episode, and I promised that we would explore it today. So let&#8217;s dive in. Can you tell listeners a brief summary of Joseph Campbell&#8217;s ideas and his model?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, so Joseph Campbell studied mythology and what he called the monomyth, the single myth that crosses almost every human culture that he studied, is this idea of the hero&#8217;s journey. The idea that the hero, all of us, really, starts out in one place, and then there&#8217;s a call to adventure, because there&#8217;s something not quite right there. There&#8217;s a call to adventure, and then there&#8217;s a whole series of things that happens. There&#8217;s a mentor that comes and takes them, helps them leave the shackles of inertia and fear, go out into the world and fight the dragons and do the trials and suffer the ordeals, all to gain some sort of atonement or knowledge or elixir that then they return with, for the benefit of all people. And this is such an archetype throughout human history, in a spiritual sense, in a actual, absolute sense, and looking at all our pop culture too, the hero&#8217;s journey is woven into much of our most popular movies and books and stories and ideas.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>As I remember Joseph Campbell&#8217;s work, there&#8217;s also early in the path, a mentor, a gnome or a dwarf, someone else who gives the hero the encouragement or the ideas or breaks through a thought process that the hero is stuck on, so that the battles with the dragons can begin. How do you see all of this happening inside of medicine? Who are the heroes? What&#8217;s the arc? Where should we be looking? What should we be teaching medical students? Tell me how you apply this inside the medical realm.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think every single person who works in healthcare undertakes the hero&#8217;s journey, in some sense. They start out as having not the knowledge and the skills and the ability to do what we do, which is very difficult, and then they embark on this journey. And the mentor can be anybody, anything. Nowadays it can be a podcast that opens people&#8217;s eyes, that suddenly expands their circle of understanding or their circle of compassion. What they thought was one way is actually seemed to be not true. It&#8217;s actually a bigger way or a more inclusive way. And sometimes the mentor is very specific. For me, it was Tony Hsieh, who was the CEO of Zappos, who snapped me out of my inertia and my fear and said, &#8220;It&#8217;s clear you want to do these things and change these things. Why don&#8217;t you do it?&#8221; And helped me quite a bit.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>For others, it may be a teacher. It may be a family member. It may be a physician assistant. For me, it was the person who taught me that procedures aren&#8217;t something to be afraid of. I was always so afraid of being a klutz and screwing stuff up. And they&#8217;re like, no, no, no, no, no, here, here&#8217;s how you need to look at this. And so it can be anything. And the idea then ,there&#8217;s the personal heroes journey, but there&#8217;s also the systems journey. Our system has gone from what I call health 1.0, and then the hero&#8217;s journey through 2.0 and the trials and the tribulations and the struggles of our technocracy, the administrative technocracy of 2.0, to the 3.0 return of the hero. So it actually has ramifications throughout medicine, both individually and from a systems stand point.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Are the dragons the diseases, the system or the people?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Sometimes the dragon is us. I really think that the more I introspect on this, the more our dragons are all self-created, because you can say, &#8220;Oh, it&#8217;s cost and it&#8217;s insurance, and it&#8217;s corporate medicine and private equity,&#8221; and it&#8217;s this and this and this. And those are all projections. We haven&#8217;t really addressed the internal dragons. The fact that we are very highly conditioned, fear bound creatures, and we get the system that manifests who we are. So maybe the dragon is us. And that&#8217;s a difficult journey, but that&#8217;s the classic Joseph Campbell spiritual hero&#8217;s journey.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>The idea of atonement with the father is a part of what he describes in the hero&#8217;s journey. And the father can be God. The father can be this idea of oneness and how we feel so separate, and the idea of our own ego, and how do we square that with this sense, this deep intuition, that we&#8217;re much more than we think we are. Yeah, it gets spooky and weird, but honestly this is the heart of the matter. And I think the hero&#8217;s journey is such a good framework for looking at that for all of us.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>So you described your hero&#8217;s journey, becoming a doctor, mastering procedures. How about your journey to becoming a transformational leader?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>And I&#8217;m still uncomfortable even with that term transformational leader, because I still have such an impostor syndrome around this, but I would say that there are all concurrent lines and levels of development in the hero&#8217;s journey. So for me, it&#8217;s funny, my story, Robbie, it&#8217;s weird. It falls classically into this hero&#8217;s journey kind of archetype. And I&#8217;m not saying I&#8217;m a hero or anything. I&#8217;m saying it pencils out. Here I am at Stanford for 10 years as a hospitalist and I feel very dissatisfied with how medicine is done.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I feel we don&#8217;t prevent disease. We&#8217;re reactionary. We&#8217;re spending all this money and I feel disconnected from my patients, from myself, from my family. Then comes the mentor, Tony, who is like, &#8220;Are you happy doing what you&#8217;re doing? Here&#8217;s a book you could read,&#8221; The Happiness Hypothesis by Jonathan Haidt. My mind is it blown by that. I get very depressed. And then I overcome the fear. I get this offer to go to Las Vegas and then go on the journey there.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>And at this point, I have to learn everything about how does healthcare actually work? What does leadership even mean? How do humans even function? How does the mind even work? Because that&#8217;s not something we technically learn in medicine. And so the heroes journey for me was battling all this misunderstanding, misconception of how things are, and then battling my own ego, through meditation and that, the spiritual journey, and then doing the work of building a clinic and doing the business stuff and learning operations and fighting that battle, and the mentor helping you, but stepping away quite a bit. And failing, and then feeling what that&#8217;s like, the hero setback, but you learn so much from that. And then trying to return with this knowledge, with this show that we do, going, &#8220;Okay, now, how can I actualize this in myself and others the best I can while still feeling like a complete impostor?&#8221; And so it&#8217;s still a journey that continues to unfold.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>You&#8217;ve mentioned impostor syndrome now twice. One of the books I really enjoyed reading was by Angela Duckworth, the book Grit. And she talks about how perseverance counts twice as much as talent. First, perseverance allows you to build ability, and then it allows you to apply it. And yet so many physicians feel like they&#8217;re an impostor, and I believe that it happens because we think that the successful physicians are just brilliant, and we&#8217;re not as brilliant as they are. Or they&#8217;re articulate. We&#8217;re not as articulate as they are. What they don&#8217;t see is how much perseverance and hard work goes in there. Anyone who does really well works hard and they hide that often. I think the impostor syndrome is really problematic because it so undermines the confidence and the willingness of people to step forward, and I believe that the whole idea that we are impostors is an illusion. What are your thoughts?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, I think everything we believe is an illusion, honestly, but I think you&#8217;re onto something here, Robbie, and I think impostor syndrome has to be reframed internally as, oh, I&#8217;m feeling a little uncomfortable with my abilities in this space, for some reason. That&#8217;s great. That means I&#8217;m pushing the boundaries and that means more diligence or more doing it, more pushing, is probably a good thing. Within parameters. Sometimes doctors feel like they can work their way out of any problem, and that&#8217;s also a bit of a misunderstanding.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>But absolutely. They don&#8217;t realize what your friend Malcolm Gladwell says, it&#8217;s these 10,000 hours of diligence. You can have no talent. You can have a bunch of talent, but if you don&#8217;t put in the energy, you&#8217;re not going to do it. So public speaking&#8217;s a great example. You can feel like a complete impostor and you just keep going and doing it, keep doing it, keep pushing. And then it just starts to click and at some point you go on stage and you&#8217;re like, wow, what a gift to be able to be here and connect with this audience. And that sense of impostorness is almost like that egoic reflection of me against the world, me separate, dissolves into the absolute oneness of being present with other beings in this mutually reinforcing way. And so yeah, I&#8217;m with you, man. I&#8217;m with you. That&#8217;s a long way of saying, I&#8217;m with you.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>You say that for some reason we feel uncomfortable. The reason is, everyone feels uncomfortable when they first learn to put a knife into a human being, I guess, unless you&#8217;re some type of sociopath, or stick a catheter blindly into a blood vessel and hope it hits the right place, knowing you may penetrate the lung. There are all these things that we do that are designed by nature to be unusual, because no animal can do them. And so we have to gain those skills. So from my perspective, it&#8217;s just an inevitability that all of us will have this discomfort. The question I want to pose to you is that, for a hundred people set off on this hero&#8217;s journey, how many of them get to the end?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Well, this is the thing. Is there an end to the hero&#8217;s journey? It&#8217;s almost like if you&#8217;re looking for a purpose of life, which I think is a difficult proposition because life doesn&#8217;t need a purpose. It&#8217;s just beautifully radiant in the present moment. But if you&#8217;re looking for a purpose, it is this perpetual hero&#8217;s journey of unfoldment. So you may get to the end of one particular aspect of the hero&#8217;s journey and then a new journey begins. You&#8217;re called again. I can&#8217;t tell you how many times it&#8217;s been a reawakened, oh, wait, what? No, there&#8217;s so much more to do, and so much more to learn. And there&#8217;s a different mentor now, and there&#8217;s a different set of challenges. And there&#8217;s a different elixir of knowledge that you bring back.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>And at each stage, one thing Campbell talks about, is there&#8217;s the resistance. So the call to adventure, which is when Luke Skywalker is, he&#8217;s there on Tatooine. He&#8217;s been moisture farming and Ben Kenobi comes to him and he is like, look, dude, your dad was a Jedi. Come with me, let&#8217;s fight the Empire. And Luke&#8217;s like, no way, man. I still got crops to harvest. My uncle needs me. That resistance to the call is the first challenge. And in medicine, oh my gosh. If you&#8217;re going to call the troops to adventure right now to change medicine or to wake up a little from our own conditioning, oh, the resistance is going to be all over the place. There&#8217;s a million excuses the mind makes.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So you&#8217;ve got to overcome that. And then when you do get the knowledge, there&#8217;s a resistance to coming back with it. You want to stay in this transcendent state. You want to go out and just pontificate about it. So, no, no, no, no, no. You have to come back and embody what you&#8217;ve learned. And so that means teaching others. It means maybe going and putting it in practice. And there&#8217;s a resistance to that. So at each stage, the mentor can help nudge you, or you can nudge yourself, or circumstances nudge you back.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you, but one of the hardest journeys that I believe that doctors are going to have to go down is going to be confronting the end of life and dealing with the realities that death is an inevitability, no matter how long we can prolong it, particularly as our ability to prolong life becomes that much greater. How do you envision this hero&#8217;s journey progressing?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>And so many of the classic heroes journeys involve a trip to the underworld, to actually address the face of our biggest fear, which is mortality. The fear of loss of control, of helplessness, of all these issues that are so central to the human, we think are so central to the human condition. And of course, in medicine, we&#8217;re on the front lines of that. And so if we don&#8217;t heed the call to actually address those things, to look at those dragons in our own psyche, then how can we address them for our patients, and what ends up happening is we obfuscate them with our own projections. So, no, no, no, you know what? One more procedure is what your loved one needs, not talking about comfort, not talking about palliative care or whatever it is, or even having the conversation that you know what, life is not infinite. And it&#8217;s not a failure to focus on comfort.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Those are crucial things. And then the economic ramifications, the emotional ramifications of the survivors, all those things. When I do talks, I often perform a song that I did a while ago called Ain&#8217;t The Way To Die, which is a parody of an Eminem and Rihanna song about end of life. And I do it for people that [inaudible] why would you do it for this audience? Because every single person in the audience has had a loved one or has interacted with someone who&#8217;s been in that position where they haven&#8217;t had the conversation, they haven&#8217;t talked about end of life. There&#8217;s all this resistance. And it illustrates that resistance and how we might actually overcome it by making people feel something, like, oh my gosh, it&#8217;s always too soon until it&#8217;s too late to have the conversation.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve ever watched a particular YouTube video, but I&#8217;ve watched it, I don&#8217;t know, many dozens of times. And it&#8217;s the Susan Boyle Britain Got Talent tryout. Have you ever seen that one?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, it&#8217;s amazing.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, for people who may not know it, it&#8217;s been seen by 260 million people. So most of us have seen it at some point. Susan Boyle comes on stage and she&#8217;s dressed frumpier than any other contestant. Simon Cowell asks her how old she is and she replies 47. The audience snickers. She can&#8217;t remember the word village when Simon ask her to describe where she&#8217;s from. And then all contestants, he asks, who do you want to be? And she says, Elaine Paige and the cameras pan to the audience. They&#8217;re rolling their eyes with smirks on their face. And they communicated with their body language, she&#8217;s a nobody, she&#8217;s a failure. The look of pity, it&#8217;s everywhere. And then she says, what song will she sing. And she says, &#8220;I have a dream, from Les Miserables.&#8221; And the music comes on, first three notes that come out of her voice, beautiful.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>A golden voice, shocking people. And then she sings the classic line, &#8220;I had a dream so different from this hell I&#8217;m living.&#8221; And the audience is on its feet. The place goes crazy, but it&#8217;s just the start of her journey. Simon becomes her mentor, gives her a record contract, new wardrobe, hairstyle, makeup. She confronts her Asperger&#8217;s. She goes through a mental breakdown, maybe from coming in second on the show. She goes on to make eight albums, sell 20 million records, nominated for three Grammys. She comes back at her, she continues to entertain. I watch that to tell myself how wrong we are as doctors when we judge patients and the massive mistakes we make when we dismiss people.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Our mental models of healthy and unhealthy are so strong that even when our brain tells us we&#8217;re wrong, we struggle to change them. And I bring that up because again, having watched this dozens of times, you would think that I would now be an expert at not doing these things, but I still have this tendency to make these judgements on externalities and to not take people as seriously as I should. I&#8217;m not sure that that hero&#8217;s journey, as you say, is ever able to be fully completed.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Wow. And that&#8217;s beautifully put. And here here&#8217;s a couple thoughts I have just hearing you talk about that. And that Susan Boyle thing is amazing. Every single one of our patients is on a hero&#8217;s journey, and once we see that, and once we figure that, hey, maybe we&#8217;re partially a mentor on this hero&#8217;s journey, in a certain way, on a certain aspect of their journey, that changes everything. And maybe we&#8217;re on the hero&#8217;s journey, and this patient is our mentor and that changes everything. And maybe when you talk about our judgments, Robbie, that is part of the thinking mind. The mind is a judging mind. It&#8217;s a comparing mind. It&#8217;s a thought generating mind. It&#8217;s a secreter of thought and the thoughts aren&#8217;t us. They speak in our voice. They use the word I when a voice in our head talks to make us believe that it&#8217;s us, but it&#8217;s not us.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>We&#8217;re actually the space those thoughts arrive in, we&#8217;re the awareness of that space those thoughts arrive in. So self-forgiveness when we do judge, when do get caught in that, I think is the order of the day, that then allows us to be better. And sometimes a hero&#8217;s journey is not this, Susan Boyle was a great dramatic example of that, but maybe it&#8217;s just being a little self, little less reactive with your kids, or a little more present. Maybe that&#8217;s your hero&#8217;s journey, that one arc and that&#8217;s enough. It doesn&#8217;t have to be so grand, although those grand heroes arcs are what make it so resonant, the Star Wars arc that George Lucas actually used Campbell&#8217;s work to design the first star wars series and that&#8217;s why it was so good. That&#8217;s why the prequels were such trash, and the sequels, weren&#8217;t very good, because the monomyth that we all resonate with deeply is right there. But yeah, self forgiveness, really, really powerful.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Speaking about mentors, what&#8217;s the best advice you&#8217;ve ever received along one of your hero&#8217;s journeys?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>It was really, it was Tony Hsieh again. And he said, &#8220;You&#8217;re so afraid of what people think and how you&#8217;re going to be received and you&#8217;re always making jokes to try to put yourself, distance yourself from any vulnerability and to make yourself feel safe, it seems like, because anytime there&#8217;s two people in the room and I&#8217;m with you, you&#8217;re joking the whole time. And you&#8217;re a pretty, actually serious, reasonably thoughtful guy. Why don&#8217;t you just be yourself? Why don&#8217;t you just be authentic and don&#8217;t worry about the fear of what people are going to think and that sort of thing. It&#8217;s something that I&#8217;ve just noticed.&#8221; And of course, initially I was so defensive. I was like, what do you mean I&#8217;m making jokes? And then the more I felt into it, the more I realized, oh my God, he&#8217;s absolutely right.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So it was such amazing advice because it allows this huge burden of trying to be somebody that you&#8217;re not to protect this seeming self from others, when that relaxes, then you&#8217;re truly just authentic. And that&#8217;s what Susan Boyle did when she sang that song. She&#8217;s like, this is me. How scary must that have been for her, seeing the audience rolling their eyes and Simon Cowell who&#8217;s notorious for being a butthole, it&#8217;s like, oh my gosh, it&#8217;ll make you cry just thinking about it.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Absolutely. Someone once said that courage is not the lack of fear, but the ability to move forward, despite the fear. Has your fear disappeared and you&#8217;ve just learned to go past it or have you somehow been able to conquer some of your fears?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>The fear is always there. And actually on this last silent meditation retreat I was on for eight days, fear was the main theme, it felt like. It was this fear of helplessness, fear of vulnerability, fear of losing control when you realize that your thoughts aren&#8217;t you and your identity is very, it&#8217;s a construction, that there&#8217;s a deep fear. And I think that the trick is letting that fear be there, but acting anyways, like you said, that&#8217;s courage. And understanding that fear is just the mind trying to keep you safe, but it&#8217;s not often correct.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s just like a car alarm that goes off when it was bumped. It doesn&#8217;t mean that someone&#8217;s breaking into your car. So you can feel it that&#8217;s okay. Let it pass through you, but don&#8217;t let it rule you. And it&#8217;s easy to say, but very hard to do, and you need support. You need people, again, to help and mentor and be there. And a lot of people, unfortunately don&#8217;t have those folks. So again, in medicine, I think it&#8217;s incumbent on us to try to be that person for our patients whenever we can.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting as you talk about it. I&#8217;d never put it into this context. When I think about two of the best pieces of advice I&#8217;ve ever gotten, I think now, that there were about fear. I wouldn&#8217;t have thought that before this conversation. One was from my mom. I was in 11th grade and I was wanting to become a class officer. And I knew that I could run for vice president and win overwhelmingly, but there was a very difficult candidate who wanted to be president. That&#8217;s really what I wanted to do. My mother said, &#8220;Never aim lower than you really want to go.&#8221; And I was able to run for that and win that particular race and enjoy that opportunity that I never would&#8217;ve had, had I yielded to that fear.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>And then the same thing actually happened when I was had the opportunity to become the CEO. I&#8217;m not even quite sure it&#8217;s fear. Although, as you know, at the time, Kaiser Permanente was down to two days of cash and had to borrow cash to stay viable. It was not a great job, but it was just not something that I necessarily thought that I wanted. And I went to one of my mentors, a physician, one of my teachers in residency named Lars Vistus. And I told him this story. And he said to me, &#8220;Robbie, windows open and close. And when they open, you better jump through them.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>And so in both cases, whatever the resistance exactly was, whether you want to call it fear or you want to call it wisdom. I&#8217;m not sure which it might have been. I think that having that opportunity and it goes along with something that I&#8217;ve said learned from other people. We tend to regret the things we don&#8217;t do, rather than the things that we do do. And certainly, both of those chances that I had turned out, well, maybe that&#8217;s why I have such fond thoughts about them. But I think that the idea of taking action when you have that opportunity for something that you think is valuable, is probably a pretty good lesson for all of us going forward, even when we are afraid.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>That&#8217;s beautifully put. And I think that idea of, we regret the things we didn&#8217;t do rather than the things we did, I look back on my own past, and there&#8217;s a lot of stuff that, oh, you could have done it differently. Could have done it that way. Honestly, I wouldn&#8217;t have done anything differently. It just landed me right in this present moment where there&#8217;s so much still to do and it&#8217;s all unfolding perfectly and beautifully. So yeah, be fearless as much as you&#8230; Fearless meaning, let that fear be, but don&#8217;t let it change what you&#8217;re doing. I love your mother&#8217;s advice and your mentor&#8217;s advice. It&#8217;s beautiful.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>The last program we had, where we talked about the movies, the one that led to the question about the hero&#8217;s journey, I received so many individuals sending ideas from movies they would like to see made about medicine, the conversation that we had. There were people talking about Virginia Apgar who in 1952 developed a 10 point scale associated with her name and it saved tens of thousands of lives of children. Galen, living in the second century, who founded the scientific method in medicine that continues as the foundation of research and discovery today.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>The Blackwell sisters in the middle of the 19th century became the first women to become physicians in America. And of course, Marie Curie, who developed the theory of radioactivity, won two Nobel prizes, and ultimately died, as you know, from aplastic anemia, from the research that she did with radioactivity. But as I thanked people for their ideas, and I have to say, probably I had 20 different films, all of which would&#8217;ve been great. I was struck. No one mentioned anyone from the 21st century or even from the end of the 20th century. Are there no heroes today, or is it that there&#8217;s no problems that&#8217;s large enough to require heroes or no way to recognize heroism until after people&#8217;s careers are over and complete and maybe until they&#8217;re dead? What&#8217;s going on? Why does there seem to be so few heroes today?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>What a great observation. And I think, it&#8217;s all those things you said, but I think there&#8217;s also this component that mankind is actually evolving into a complexity level where the single hero, the Steve Jobs, for example. That&#8217;s a good example of he was maybe a partially 21st century hero to some and villain to others. But this idea that the single human is no longer so essential as this network of humans. So for example, that NASA and the European Space Agency were able to put an incredibly complex scientific instrument where it&#8217;s basically human consciousness peering back into the universe, basically the universe looking at itself, in a way that&#8217;s so incredibly beautiful and complex, could never have been the work of one person or one hero.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So instead it&#8217;s the transcendent work, often, of a group of humans working in concert together over decades with all the resources of government and industry and private sector together. That&#8217;s heroism now. And so pointing to one person is so difficult, but pointing to, wow, look what this group of people were able to do, it&#8217;s transcendent, I think that&#8217;s maybe where we&#8217;re shifting and maybe that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s a little harder. So it&#8217;s less of a cynical, where are the heroes and more of a, oh, we&#8217;re all heroes, especially when we work together.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>You remind me of a conversation that Jeremy had on one of our other Fixing Healthcare shows. We talked at that time that this is the 15th anniversary of the iPhone, the Steve Jobs reference you made. It&#8217;s the 10th anniversary of CRISPR, the technology that can be used to alter genes. And it&#8217;s the start of the post-Roe Supreme court. Which of these three factors do you think will be most important a decade or two from now?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I really think it&#8217;s that iPhone piece because this is where the existential promise and threat comes in because the iPhone has changed a generation of children. It has really exponentially actualized social media, for better or for worse, and I actually worry about it for worse. And it&#8217;s given us the universe&#8217;s knowledge in the palm of our hand in a way that, the classic saying is Bill Clinton had less access to information than a tribesman in Africa with a smartphone has now. And that is going to continue to transform society and the human mind in a way that CRISPR, okay, we&#8217;re hacking our DNA and that kind of thing, that&#8217;s cool. That&#8217;s going to have ramifications. Post-Roe world means that&#8217;s politics and policy and medicine. That&#8217;s all important, but man, that smartphone, the change that that&#8217;s wreaking on us that we don&#8217;t truly understand yet, I think that&#8217;s going to have the biggest impact existentially for us.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Amazing answer. Jeremy, your question for us.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>I know so many people, myself included, who&#8217;ve had the situation of either a boss that doesn&#8217;t believe in them and says, &#8220;Hey, you&#8217;re never going to make it further than this,&#8221; or, &#8220;You&#8217;re never going to amount to this,&#8221; or a parent or some person in their life who doubts them or pushes them down. And I know a lot of people get inspiration from this. Many of the big famous CEOs and successful people in the country have had someone like that in their life who either is, it gives that said person a chip on their shoulder to either work harder or maybe it gives them the understanding that, &#8220;Hey, I&#8217;m not in the right line of work. Maybe I need to shift what I&#8217;m doing or think differently about some things.&#8221; Have either of you had some sort of antagonist like that in your life who&#8217;s doubted you or told you you couldn&#8217;t amount to what you have amounted to, and how did you deal with that, learn from that, grow from that?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, this is one of those things where you wonder whether these antagonists are actually really meant to be there, and think they are. They&#8217;re really essential. And it&#8217;s how you respond, it&#8217;s a test of the hero&#8217;s journey. It&#8217;s one of the big trials and tribulations. For me, it&#8217;s funny, part of the hero&#8217;s journey in the classic Campbell sense, is the father, this atonement with the father, and it can be the literal father. For me, I think it actually is the literal father. So my dad, internist, immigrant physician, private practice, central valley of California. He was always the voice narrating my decisions through life and even though, because I swore I&#8217;d never be a doctor because he was one. Then I went into medicine because I felt the call to it. And then his influence was constantly there.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>And it was always a, he began coming from India with nothing in his pocket, seeing that you could be homeless and on the street in a second, conditioned him a lot. So it was a lot of fear based decision making and caution and don&#8217;t take risk and that sort of thing. And so for me, it was this atonement with, he&#8217;s got a point. You should build up a safe base, but at the same time, use that safe base to go out in the world and do what you&#8217;re really trying and meant to do and that means taking risks and making yourself uncomfortable and really going out there where the ice is thin. And what&#8217;s funny is it comes full journey.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So the hero&#8217;s journey comes back and the father in his eighties now recognizes, wow, oh wow, you did something that I wish I had done. You went out and did what you really loved to do and took risk and so on. And he loved doing what he was doing, but again, he had a different upbringing and a different set of circumstances. I was blessed to have his base to launch my own risk taking from. And so for me it was that antagonist was also one of the loved ones in my life, very important person.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I was fortunate, Jeremy, I had a very supportive family, wonderful parents. And along the way, really at every stage, I had mentors who propelled me. I can think back even to elementary school teachers who were so encouraging, to high school, to college, to medical school, residency. So I would say I&#8217;ve not had that experience, not to say I didn&#8217;t face complex personal situations, but I could overcome them, and I had enough support to be able to overcome them. But I&#8217;d say the one time that I would point out, and I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s maybe the darkest time when I was CEO, was a vicious attack from the press and the state regulators, and the two coming to together in a way to want to be able to be critical. It was very specific to a transplant program.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>150 kidney transplant plants had been done. Not a single patient had died. 149 of them were successful, but it came up against the national transplant body that didn&#8217;t like the fact that Kaiser Permanente, not a university, was doing transplants with these kinds of results and the reporter came after us for a variety of small things. There was a whistle blower who had been penalized for bringing alcohol to work and fired. And he was the one who fed the information, and there was a state regulator who wanted to have the support and look for&#8230; Everything was aligned in the wrong way.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>And the problem is that when you are the leader and you&#8217;re watching your people get beaten up, it&#8217;s like watching your child get struck by bullies on the other side of fence. And no matter how hard you shake it, the barbed wire at the top stops you from getting over the top. And I think at some point, and that&#8217;s why I asked the question to ZDogg earlier, to Zubin earlier, we can&#8217;t all complete our hero&#8217;s journeys. And I actually think that some of the hero&#8217;s journey is not being able to find that elixir at the end, because maybe those elixir&#8217;s are not really what life is about, but it&#8217;s being able to move on and come back despite not having them and the success that we had from a quality perspective, from a growth perspective and the respect of the nation around the quality that was provided and excellence of the physicians, that became the reward in the end.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>But the pain of that moment I felt, and I feel bad for anyone, as you say, who has that boss, who has the power and you can&#8217;t do anything about it, or the person who stands in your way, when you know that you should be able to get past that door. It&#8217;s just incredibly painful. And maybe the hero is being able to get past that and to be able to resume the wonderful life and productive life that you had prior to that. And to recognize that it&#8217;s not about you, it&#8217;s about them and be able to move on, but it&#8217;s certainly not easy. Zubin, another great show. So much fun. Can&#8217;t wait for the next time. Thank you for coming today.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, thank you. It&#8217;s like therapy for me. It&#8217;s beautiful. Thank you.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
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		<title>FHC #63: One Medical founder Tom Lee on Amazon, primary care, the future</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/08/30/fhc-63-tom-lee/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2022 19:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Tom Lee founded <strong>Epocrates</strong>, one of the earliest tech-enabled healthcare applications for doctors, and<strong> One Medical</strong>, the primary care-first organization recently acquired by <strong>Amazon</strong> for $3.9 billion. He is now the CEO of <strong>Galileo</strong>, a virtual care-first healthcare startup he hopes will make medical care affordable for all Americans.</p>
<p>Though Lee is no longer with One Medical, and he was not involved in the recent merger announcement, few people are better equipped to weigh in on Amazon’s emerging role in healthcare. Will Amazon disrupt healthcare’s traditional powers? Can the company reshape primary care and fix the broken parts? Where will American healthcare be in 10 years?</p>
<p>In this interview, hosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>ask Lee to discuss some of medicine’s <em>unwritten</em> rules and norms. These are, as listeners know, the norms and behaviors that dictate the way doctors think and behave.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Interview Highlights </u></strong></h3>
<h5><strong>On being a healthcare ‘rule breaker’ </strong></h5>
<p>“Everywhere I looked [in medicine], there were norms that nobody could explain to me. And even as a med student and resident, we did a lot of things that didn&#8217;t make a lot of sense. Our mission was to care for patients in a thoughtful manner, but what we were doing seemed antithetical to that. So even as a young physician in training, I just started noticing dissonance with what we were doing from what we thought about why we had joined the profession.”</p>
<h5><strong>On ‘specializing’ in business as a doctor </strong></h5>
<p>“What were these mysterious forces driving the systems of care that I felt as a clinician were inappropriate or certainly suboptimal? So that&#8217;s what ended up leading to my business career. And this was not something that was considered very vogue or sexy among doctors. In fact, it was viewed as a negative trait. And most of my other colleagues were going into specialist kind of training, but my specialist training ended up being business, and it allowed me to see the world more broadly than where traditional medicine typically is looked at.”</p>
<h5><strong>On memorization in medical training </strong></h5>
<p>“Relying on clinical memories or human memory to make any kind of judgment, I think, is unwise, particularly as we look at the future. So we need to reexamine what we reward, and (how we) train young physicians and clinicians in training in general. I personally never found memorization to be that inspiring or helpful in my medical training … And I do think that&#8217;s something to reconsider as we start to examine the workforce and frankly, the profession of medicine.”</p>
<h5><strong>On the inspiration behind One Medical </strong></h5>
<p>“As a young physician in training, I was like, ‘I don&#8217;t want to practice in any of these broken models.’ I had worked in almost every environment, whether it be academic institutions, private practice, capitated HMO models, native health service organizations, all really great organizations with well-intended providers and leaders, but the care model just didn&#8217;t make any sense. And so I knew that there was a better care model that could be designed, particularly given how much we were spending in healthcare overall. So for me, the inspiration was to kind of say, hey, primary care is a broken layer. Everybody recognized this 20 plus years ago that primary care was broken. Nobody wanted to invest in reexamining how to improve primary care. And so the real impetus behind One Medical was, can we validate that a higher touch, better primary care model can be built and scaled in an economically viable fashion?”</p>
<h5><strong>On spending time with patients </strong></h5>
<p>“I remember something that Don Berwick said way back when I was a resident, ‘The thing that patients want is time with the doctor.’ It&#8217;s not a unit, it&#8217;s the time with the physician. And so a lot of inspiration with One Medical was how do you actually enable that with a fixed reimbursement model for the most part? And the key innovation there was administrative redesign … The average practice in primary care is overwhelmed with administrative burden, but they don&#8217;t have the sophistication, particularly as the complexity has been layered in over decades to redesign that. And so I had the luxury of starting from scratch and redesigning it. And now that technology was more available, I wanted to design it using technology. So that allowed us to 10 x the service at about a third of the administrative overhead of a traditional practice. And then that allowed us to give more time back into the physician exam room, which allowed patients and providers to have more time. And we got all the other people out of the way.”</p>
<h5><strong>On his new virtual-care company Galileo</strong></h5>
<p>“At high level, we are reexamining the norms of how should care be delivered, and this had started pre-pandemic, but there are some strengths to an office visit, there&#8217;s strengths to a video visit, but there are a lot of weaknesses to that form factor. And we believe in a more data oriented, evidence oriented approach to how care is delivered. So from a quality perspective, how do you redesign quality into the care model. And then in parallel, designing affordability into the care model. And so being more capital efficient, more labor efficient, and covering a broader range of services and scope is really kind of the thesis of Galileo.”</p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Tom-Lee_Episode-63.pdf"><strong>READ: Full transcript with Tom Lee</strong></a></p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>CTT #64: Are Americans putting Covid-19 behind them?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/08/23/ctt-64-covid-19-behind/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2022 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>New data from the <strong><a href="https://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/despite-awareness-of-covid-19-risks-many-americans-say-theyre-back-to-normal/">Annenberg Public Policy Center</a></strong> found that 4 in 10 Americans have returned to their normal, pre-pandemic lives. Over half of respondents say they rarely or never wear masks indoors while in public. This, despite 54% of Americans indicating they personally know someone who has died from Covid-19. A third say they know someone with “Long Covid.”</p>
<p>How will these perceptions – alongside the continued loosening of public safety restrictions – affect the future health of Americans? In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl examine both the science and public opinion of Covid-19. You’ll find this topic, and all the [time stamped] topics discussed during this show, here:</p>
<p><strong>[00:50] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[03:38] </strong>Listener question: “Is there is any explanation besides bad luck for both Dr. Fauci and President Biden getting ‘rebound COVID’ after taking Paxlovid?”</p>
<p><strong>[05:31] </strong>Covid-19 is now an endemic virus: What does that mean and what happens now?</p>
<p><strong>[08:21] </strong>What’s new with the monkey pox outbreak?</p>
<p><strong>[12:55] </strong>What are the current treatments options for monkey pox?</p>
<p><strong>[17:55] </strong>Is monkey pox a major concern for most Americans?</p>
<p><strong>[18:59]</strong> How might we “break” of some of healthcare’s most illogical rules?</p>
<p><strong>[24:45] Are Americans putting Covid-19 in the rearview? </strong></p>
<p><strong>[25:59] </strong>What’s up with CDC? Is the agency changing course?</p>
<p><strong>[28:42] </strong>Kids and Covid-19: any news?</p>
<p><strong>[30:38] </strong>What do we know about the Inflation Reduction Act’s impact on healthcare?</p>
<p><strong>[33:09] </strong>And what about Amazon’s acquisition of One Medical?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #62: Diving deep into 3 urgent threats facing U.S. healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/08/16/fhc-62-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2022 00:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast series, “Diving Deep,” probes into some of healthcare’s most complex topics and deep-seated problems.</p>
<p>On today’s episode, hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr discuss the three biggest threats facing U.S. healthcare:</p>
<ul>
<li>Untamed inflation</li>
<li>The nurse shortage</li>
<li>A burnout / moral injury crisis</li>
</ul>
<p>These threats will require urgent and radical action. In addition, the hosts discuss another pressing topic: The threat of Covid-19. How dangerous is the virus today?</p>
<p>For more information on these topics, check out Dr. Pearl’s latest healthcare columns on <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/"><strong>Forbes</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/breaking-the-healthcare-rules-6886483197157285888/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>. For listeners interested in show notes, here’s a time-stamped discussion guide:</p>
<h5><strong>HOW DANGEROUS IS COVID-19 NOW? </strong></h5>
<p><strong>[00:59] </strong>Cohost Dr. Pearl had an eye-opening Covid-19 conversation with his ophthalmologist recently. What was discussed?</p>
<p><strong>[01:48] </strong>Who should get a second Covid-19 vaccine booster?</p>
<p><strong>[02:41] </strong>What are the most common Covid-19 questions Dr. Pearl hears?</p>
<p><strong>[05:40] </strong>How likely are people to die from Omicron?</p>
<p><strong>[07:44] </strong>Why are Covid-19 cases going way up but deaths aren’t?</p>
<p><strong>[11:22] </strong>How much should people worry about “Long Covid”?</p>
<p><strong>[15:12] </strong>Should people wait for the Omicron-specific booster coming this fall (or sooner)?</p>
<p><strong>[18:38] </strong>Is it safe to have a social life now?</p>
<h5><strong>THREE HEALTHCARE THREATS WORSE THAN COVID </strong></h5>
<p><strong>[21:40] </strong>Dr. Pearl’s recent article “These 3 healthcare threats will do more damage than Covid-19” went viral. Why?</p>
<p><strong>[24:56] </strong>What’s causing the most concern in healthcare right now?</p>
<p><strong>[28:03] </strong>What’s concerning about inflation in healthcare?</p>
<p><strong>[30:41] </strong>How does the nursing shortage affect patient care?</p>
<p><strong>[31:48] </strong>What can be done to keep patients safe amid this shortage?</p>
<p><strong>[33:43] </strong>With cost and quality under siege, is there any hope for respite?</p>
<p><strong>[34:49] </strong>How will we unclog surgical backlogs in hospitals?</p>
<p><strong>[35:13] </strong>What about physician burnout?</p>
<p><strong>[36:34] </strong>Why are doctors dissatisfied and what can be done about it?</p>
<p><strong>[38:08] </strong>What happens when these three forces collide at the same time?</p>
<p><strong>[40:22] </strong>What does Dr. Pearl recommend as an “urgent and radical” solution?</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #61: An unfiltered look at Rx triplicates &#038; Amazon&#8217;s healthcare expansion</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/08/09/fhc-61-amazon/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Did you catch the episode of Malcolm Gladwell’s <strong><em><a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/in-triplicate">Revisionist History</a></em></strong> about triplicates—those state-issued prescription pads that produced three copies of every painkiller script written? Many in medicine remember triplicates as a classic example of government overreach. But in 1990s New York, a city beset by a major drug problem, these triplicate pads had an amazing effect: opioid overdoses plummeted when doctors were forced to use them.</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, hosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl join ZDoggMD to take an unfiltered look at the impact of triplicates (and regulations in general) on healthcare.</p>
<p>The group also debates Amazon’s $3.9 billion purchase of One Medical and explores the untold lessons of Sesame Street (including: did the Count have an undiagnosed mental health disorder?), and much more.</p>
<p>Welcome to <em>Unfiltered</em>, a show within the Fixing Healthcare family of podcasts that brings together iconic voices in healthcare for an unscripted, hard-hitting half hour (plus) of talk.</p>
<p>For more, press play or peruse the transcript below.</p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>UNFILTERED TRANSCRIPT</strong></h3>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>Hello, and welcome to Unfiltered, our newest program and our weekly Fixing Healthcare Podcast series. Joining us each month is Dr. Zubin Damania, known to many as ZDoggMD. For 25 minutes, he and Robbie will engage in unscripted and hard-hitting conversation about art, politics, entertainment, and much more. As nationally recognized physicians and healthcare policy experts, they&#8217;ll apply the lessons they extract to medical practice. Then I&#8217;ll pose a question for the two of them as the patient based on what I&#8217;ve heard. Robbie, why don&#8217;t you kick it off?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Good morning, Zubin.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Hey, top of the morning, Robbie.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>You know, for a whole week before we do this show, it feels like I&#8217;m about to go to a Michelin starred restaurant and the chef&#8217;s going to cook me some new dishes. I don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re going to be, but I&#8217;m certain they&#8217;ll be tasty and well seasoned and I can&#8217;t wait for today&#8217;s tasting menu. So if it&#8217;s okay with you, I&#8217;d like to revisit the conversation we had in the last episode, about the value of eliminating regulations and restrictions to address problems, rather than adding new ones to deal with the rules and regulations and restrictions that aren&#8217;t working. Like you, I agree, we have far too many. But I had an a-ha moment this week, when I listen to an episode from a different podcast, this one, Malcolm Gladwell&#8217;s Revisionist History. And he talked about the impact of triplicates, a topic I had never considered. So let&#8217;s start by, for listeners who may not know what a triplicate is, could you describe it for them?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So are we talking about the old school DEA triplicates, where whenever you wrote a narcotic, it was copied three times with carbon paper and you had to send one copy to somebody and it was just this onerous process?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Exactly the one I&#8217;m talking about. That&#8217;s exactly the one or the one he talked about. And he described some research that came, as you say, it&#8217;s the old way, so this was research coming out of, I&#8217;ll say 1990s. New York, Massachusetts, and New Jersey have similar populations and in the past they had similar incidents of deaths from overdoses. Then New York puts in place the triplicate process, but the other two states don&#8217;t. And suddenly deaths from overdoses come crashing down. This is like a natural experiment. It&#8217;s what economists love to find. And I want to know if our goal as doctors is to minimize deaths, how can we figure out which bureaucratic tasks are valuable? Which ones are waste of time? Which one will save lives and which will result in harm to doctors and patients?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Man, this is a wonderful thought experiment because you have the regulation, which was designed to make it more difficult, presumably, to give out narcotics and so it adds a little activation energy to the physician&#8217;s workflow. So in a way, what you&#8217;ve done, is you&#8217;ve made it a little less easy for a physician to give a narcotic. And I remember when I trained in the &#8217;90s, if someone needed a narcotic, I would just have to let out this heavy sigh, because now I got to go back to the little office, grab this thick old pad with the triplicates, do all this whole rigamarole, keep the records safe somewhere where they aren&#8217;t going to be stolen for a decade or whatever the requirement was. So any way I could get out of having to do that, you&#8217;re kind of looking, &#8220;Well, does this patient really need narcotics?&#8221; Et cetera.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So in a way, what it was, was in my mind, it was saying, &#8220;Okay, did the doctors really need to do this?&#8221; Now, so it turns out they probably didn&#8217;t. Now the question is you didn&#8217;t really study how much excess pain was there, how much suffering was there, et cetera. We don&#8217;t know the answer to that, but we do know that overdose deaths plummeted. So the question is, was the regulation a good idea in the sense that, oh, we need that kind of regulation. Or was it a more of a test that says, &#8220;Hey, maybe we ought to retrain physicians.&#8221; Because at that time the pharmaceutical companies were telling us, you know what, a pain is the fifth or sixth vital and we need to treat it aggressively with narcotics and people don&#8217;t get addicted if they have real pain and so on. All of which has been proven to be nonsense and or less sensical than they were saying. And there we are. So it&#8217;s a matter of teasing out, do we need that bureaucracy or do we just need more awake medicine that looks at the externalities of everything we do?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s actually, we need more awake medicine that looks at the externalities of everything we do. And it just happened to take a bureaucratic intrusion at that time to teach us that guess what? This is probably not a good idea, how much opioids we&#8217;re giving out. Now the thing is, again, you and I are both also I think, although I may be putting words in your mouth, advocates of good system design, like smart system that, to use Jonathan Hyatt&#8217;s metaphor of the elephant and the rider. Our sort of unconscious mind that kind of runs the show in many ways. And the conscious little guy riding on top that really often is more the servant to the elephant. How do you shape the path that they&#8217;re walking on to make the default actions more beneficial? And to that degree, systems design is good. So would it be great to make it really easy to prescribe narcotics in the setting of a pharmaceutical industry that&#8217;s promoting them? No, probably not. So you would need that kind of systems designed. So it&#8217;s always a balance.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s the argument that people make when they put in place restrictions and regulations, which is that if you shape the path in the direction that either will maximize good or minimize harm, that that&#8217;s going to lead to a good outcome, but as you and I both know, often that&#8217;s not what occurs. And what occurs is you inflict pain on both the doctor and the patients.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So I, yeah. And the way I think about that increasingly is the way we think about any sort of, even if you study existential risk, like nuclear war or environmental catastrophe or these kind of things, you&#8217;re always looking at, okay, here&#8217;s an intervention that we do, like say social media with tech algorithms that try to draw our attention. Okay, that&#8217;s great. It has this outcome that the companies make a lot of money and we get this experience of social media. What are the externalities, the second, the third, the fourth order effects of that technology? And it&#8217;s the same with regulation in the healthcare space. We don&#8217;t know what those externalities are until you put it into place. And at that point it may be out of the bag, very hard to unwind and you&#8217;ve caused a lot of damage. So we need to get better at predicting externalities or considering them. Factoring them into the cost of any intervention. And it just gets tricky, but it&#8217;s not impossible. We ought to make it a priority.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I heard interesting, I&#8217;ll say study, I don&#8217;t know if it was really a study or just an observation, that Sesame Street, the show for little kids, you think is designed to teach them the alphabet and mathematics. You know what it teaches them? Television is about entertainment. It&#8217;s not about learning. So although it is introduced at that point, it becomes an addiction for entertainment rather than for growing one&#8217;s mind and confronting difficult questions and challenges.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s really interesting. So I actually revised my history of Sesame Street years later when I went through medical school, because I realized each of the characters had distinctive psychopathology and physical pathology, like the Count. Do you remember him? He would teach kids purportedly how to count, but really he had a severe case of obsessive compulsive disorder. I mean, he was counting everything. He couldn&#8217;t stop. One, two, three, ah, ah, ah. Poor Count. He&#8217;s suffering. But yeah, I hear you.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Let me ask you about an associated issue that you and I both think about a lot, which is burnout. And one of the first step in addressing any problem, is always to figure out what&#8217;s going on and we know that bureaucratic tasks and the prior authorization imposed by insurers and all the rules and restrictions by hospital administrators. We know that this is making the lives of doctors and patients worse. But now I want to ask you the next step, which is recognizing the problem doesn&#8217;t, from my perspective, solve it. What you actually do is have to get someone else to take action. In your mind, how can doctors and nurses force the insurers and hospital administrators, to do the things that we know will reduce burnout without creating secondary problems as a consequence?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Mm, I think in this case, it&#8217;s one of those situations where we have this adversarial zero sum relationship. It&#8217;s kind of like this game A dynamics, where somebody wins and somebody loses. So the administrators win, the doctors lose. The doctors win, the administrators lose. The insurance companies lose. We really have to align the incentives across the spectrum of that, which means maybe it&#8217;s more integration. Maybe it&#8217;s the integration of the payers and the caregivers together, that allows the incentives to align. And even then, of course, we&#8217;re going to have the politics that go back and forth and the different dynamics, but it would be much better. So I don&#8217;t know that anybody&#8217;s going to be able to force anybody to do anything.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>But even like something like a prior auth. Why are prior auths in place? Because a lot of times physicians will do things that are not evidence based, that are costly, that have second order iatrogenic effects, meaning they cause harm because of over-testing, over diagnosis, overtreatment. And the insurance companies say, &#8220;Well, okay, it&#8217;s also increasing cost. So let&#8217;s put a prior auth, let&#8217;s throw that triplicate, the barrier to entry here. Make it higher.&#8221; And then what happens is the doctors escalate and say, &#8220;Well, now my autonomy is threatened. Now my clinical judgment is questioned and my time is affected.&#8221; And that creates this injury that leads to burnout. So how about we actually powwow and say, &#8220;Okay, so what are the practices that actually do work? And when can we have the clinical autonomy to override those practices?&#8221; Because that&#8217;s what doctors do best is that deep intuition to say, &#8220;This is where the algorithm actually doesn&#8217;t apply or where we can actually make an exception.&#8221; And that trust then leads to more alignment, less need for these weird negative incentives to be put in place, I think.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I agree with you completely. It&#8217;s a lot of why I think we have to move from a fee-for-service volume based mentality to one that&#8217;s capitated. The tremendous work you did when you were in Las Vegas, demonstrating how you can improve quality and lower costs, if you all have the incentives that align with each other, but still the progress to that goal seems to be incredibly slow.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>It does. Now, what&#8217;s interesting is our partners in that effort in Las Vegas, they merged with One Medical last year and One Medical just got bought by Amazon. So it&#8217;ll be interesting to see how that sort of intensive primary care model evolves in that space. It&#8217;s going to be interesting. And there&#8217;s a lot of headwinds to change, because the payment models haven&#8217;t changed. You&#8217;re still working in this kind of either fee-for-service or capitated without sort of revenue share or positive externalities when you do really well piece. And so we really need to look at how those payment models affect care models. And it&#8217;s tough because there&#8217;s so many legacy players. So many people with so much to lose and they&#8217;re all oligopolies. So how do you even start to crack that? It&#8217;s going to be multifactorial.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s follow up on what you just raised, which was the Amazon purchase of One Medical. For listeners who may not know, One Medical is a primary care first organization, Began in San Francisco. It&#8217;s now in 180 offices and 24 different cities. It was just purchased by Amazon for 3.8, I believe, billion dollars. Amazon entered into healthcare very slowly. A couple of years ago, they bought PillPack, which is a pharmacy delivery, that was really important because you have to have licenses in every state and they inherited the 50 licenses needed to distribute pharmaceuticals. Then they built some clinics for their own employees. Then they started online telemedicine. And now with One Medical, particularly because One Medical has acquired a company called Iora, about a year ago, which is in the Medicare space. You&#8217;re looking at this massive opportunity for Amazon to come into medicine, the way that it went into retail.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s began in the book era. And when everyone was worried about the bookstores, they were already thinking about all of retail and then people were worried about the retail. Now they&#8217;re thinking about medicine and on and on in that process. How do you see this acquisition? How big a threat do you think it is? Where&#8217;s it going to go? When&#8217;s it going to happen? How should doctors think about it? How should they behave differently at this point?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So this is an interesting response to the clear market dynamics with big self-funded employers, like Amazon, that prices keep going up. Care, quality and outcomes are not good. And it&#8217;s unsustainable, economically and morally actually, because people go bankrupt because of these medical bills and so on. And it&#8217;s a drag on the economy. So Amazon said, &#8220;Okay, well now we&#8217;ve disrupted these other spaces. Let&#8217;s see if we can do medicine.&#8221; Now, of course, they failed to do that with their enterprise Haven, with Berkshire Hathaway and JPMorgan Chase. So they know already how difficult this space is and they purchased One Medical. Now what&#8217;s interesting about One Medical relative to Iora, like you said, Iora&#8217;s focused more in the Medicare space because we use the same Turntable Health model that we used in Vegas at Iora, this sort of team based primary care, health coaches, intensive management of at-risk patients.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Now One Medical actually just charges a yearly membership fee for access. So you get easier access. You have this high touch app and so on that you can schedule easily, but they still charge commercial insurance. And so as a result, they were losing money prior to the acquisition. So in order to make this work, Amazon&#8217;s going to have to figure out how to actualize really good preventative team based, relationship driven, primary care, that prevents downstream spending that allows some curation of a network of specialists that are actually doing the right thing, which is very tough in the self-funded space, because then that means employees have restricted choice. And they have to do it in a way that they&#8217;re going to have to subsidize, because it&#8217;s not going to be profitable initially.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Now, if they can do that, they have the power, the money, the scale, the drive to do it. They could actually produce a kind of care that patients are so compelled by and physicians are so compelled to work in, that it does create that disruption and then the payment models start to change and you have true transformation. So that&#8217;s the potential outcome there. The more likely outcome is it&#8217;ll all fail, but that&#8217;s how I think about it.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I would beg to disagree.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Awesome.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I predict that this will be a major transformation of American medicine. I think Haven failed because the other two CEOs really wanted it to be a not-for-profit for their own employees. And Jeff Bezos wanted it to be a sixth of a $4 trillion industry. He already got what he could get in retail, and now he wanted it to do it in medicine. I think that he will. I think that the word, choice, that we use has two meanings. Choice is, I want Dr. Smith. Choice is, I want my problem taken care of next Thursday. And he&#8217;ll be able to offer you the convenience. He will design healthcare the way he designed Amazon, which is to make it so convenient to give you lots of choices. And the fee you described for One Medical, I think that sounds like a Amazon Prime subscription model of which he only has 110 million people paying him for exactly what One Medical does.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I think the big problem that One Medical, Iora and everyone else has had is scale. And what is Amazon really good at? Scaling. And I said back at Haven, is there anyone who thought that Bezos was in this as a not-for-profit for his own employees, probably also thought that all Amazon did, was sell books. I think the same thing here. This is not about improving the American healthcare system. This is about making money for Amazon, but his strategy would be to do in healthcare, what he did in retail, which is to make it very patient focused.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>And I believe that unless physicians start to change now, they&#8217;re going to get left behind, because I guarantee you, he&#8217;s not going to pick the best insurance company. He&#8217;s going to be his own insurance company. And he&#8217;s not going to pick every doctor in every hospital, but he&#8217;s not going to pick them because they&#8217;re cheap. He&#8217;s going to pick them because he provides high quality, good service in an efficient kind of way. And so I&#8217;m betting on them. And it&#8217;d be a great one to come back in about five years and see whose prediction ended up being more accurate.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So, listen, I hope to God you&#8217;re right Robbie, because this is part of&#8230; Look, if they can pull that off, it will truly be the kind of American style healthcare transformation that I&#8217;ve been advocating. Rather than just straight single payer and paying for our broken system currently, why don&#8217;t we actually try real innovation? And if Bezos can do it&#8217;d be wonderful. What&#8217;s fascinating is don&#8217;t forget Zappos, who&#8217;s CEO actually funded our clinic, Turntable Health, is a fully owned subsidiary of Amazon. And they actually worked with us and saw our model at Turntable through Zappos. And so that was their sort of first exposure to this sort of intensive primary care.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>If they can bring what we were trying to do to scale, it would be absolutely transformative. And so I&#8217;m rooting for them. What I am Robbie is, I&#8217;m a little superstitious. If I&#8217;m too optimistic, what I find is, it&#8217;s like what my mom taught me. She never bragged about her kids, things would go wrong. So I&#8217;m hoping you&#8217;re absolutely right, but publicly I&#8217;m going to be very a circumspect because there&#8217;s a hubris in tech too, that often leads to failure.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Now, on the other hand, I am worried about the success they&#8217;re going to have, because I can predict what it&#8217;s going to mean for doctors and nurses. And I&#8217;m not sure that they&#8217;re going to be happier under, I&#8217;ll say under the thumb or under the employment, I don&#8217;t know which way it&#8217;s going to go, of Amazon. We certainly know there are a lot of issues with the people who work inside Amazon today.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So that was another point. And when I talk about it with my audience, they express the same concern. They&#8217;re a healthcare audience. What I&#8217;ll say is this, the hope there is that when Amazon acquired Zappos, Zappos was considered one of the best places to work. It would win these awards every year because of Tony Hsieh&#8217;s leadership and the general focus on happiness and work/life balance and so on. If Amazon does the same thing with Iora, One Medical, then we&#8217;re in good shape. If they try to turn them into Amazon employees, we should be very concerned, because they will create this attempt at cost, quality and convenience on the backs of overworked and underpaid and under automatized employees. But hopefully that&#8217;s not the case. And in fact, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s possible, because without engaged, trusted, and resourced healthcare providers, you can&#8217;t have quality, cost and outcomes that work.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s going to be a question of not paying them. They&#8217;re going to pay them adequately. I think it&#8217;s going to be a question of expectations and that the expectations that Amazon will have, which is going to be a customer first notion, will clash with the culture of medicine, where physicians have, as you said earlier, focused on autonomy, focused on their own office, focused on the freedom to do whatever they wanted. And now there will be expectations about how quickly patients need to get care and how broadly they need to be available. And the types of things you could see coming out of Amazon. I think, again, I&#8217;ll flip back the other way, like yourself, the idea that somehow you could order shoes and just return them back and all the other conveniences that Zappos did, made no sense, except that it was so successful, because it was so desired by the customer. And I think that that&#8217;s the biggest shift. That I think Amazon will make medicine be customer, patient focused rather than provider focused.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right. And so the caregivers better get ready for that. But the other thing is, hey, if they just give them the 25% Amazon employee discount, I think everyone will be perfectly happy don&#8217;t you?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Yep. I think it will be true.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Just solve burnout. Just solve burnout. Just order a hand massager from Amazon at 25% off.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>So Zubin, I love our listeners and our audience is massive and several of them said they really liked our conversation last time about movies. And they wanted me to ask you, what is your favorite movie of all times?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, it&#8217;s really a difficult answer because there&#8217;s a few, but I&#8217;d say one is The Matrix. And the reason I love The Matrix is because it really encapsulates the deepest sort of Buddhist philosophy or any spiritual philosophy, which is you feel like you&#8217;re one thing and it turns out that&#8217;s an illusion. And at some point you wake up and then you do battle with your demons and then you transcend. You almost die and are reborn as a much more awake being. And that&#8217;s why I love The Matrix. Plus it was just amazing effects and action and all of that, but every single frame of that movie, points to this sort of deeper truth. So I love that. And then one of my other favorite movies is The Big Lebowski. Just because it&#8217;s The Big Lebowski. The dude abides.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>How about you?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll throw you two in return. A movie that probably 1% of listeners may ever have heard of, but I love, was a movie called Burn. It was Marlon Brando. And it&#8217;s the story of Marlon Brando, Sir William Walker in the movie, who&#8217;s sent to a Portuguese island in the Caribbean, to incite a revolution, because the British wanted to take over this very high revenue, highly profitable, sugar cane growing island. And he finds a dock worker, Jose Dolores. And he teaches him how to be a rebel and how to incite a revolution and it&#8217;s successful. And he leaves. And then in the second part of the movie, he returns seven years later, because now the island is in revolution against the British government. And he&#8217;s sent there to shut down the revolution. And the only way he can do that is by burning the entire island, because once the revolution begins, it can&#8217;t be stopped. So that is one of the best movies I&#8217;ve ever seen that I think of often.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how to parse that Robbie. It kind of feels like the hospital, like the clinical administrator&#8217;s paradox. You come from that space, you&#8217;re like, &#8220;Okay, I&#8217;m going to fix things.&#8221; You go become a leader and then you realize how trapped you are. But that&#8217;s great. I&#8217;d never heard of that movie. I&#8217;ll have to check it out. What&#8217;s the other one? Oh, go ahead sir.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I just think the revolutionary spirit to make change is why this whole season I&#8217;m focusing on, this idea of rule breakers. And I think rule breakers have to understand that once you break the rules, you don&#8217;t control the rules, but they need to be broken and basically the entire model of the colony, which is really what it was, whether it was under Portuguese or British control, just was not appropriate. And ultimately the human spirit would survive. Although I guess in the end, the island was burned down, but you can&#8217;t stop it once it starts.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Sometimes you have to start fresh. That&#8217;s you know.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>The other movie and to me, it&#8217;s the three part movie, is The Godfather. What I love about movies is when I learn things and what I loved about the three&#8230; The first one is one of the best movies ever made, but it&#8217;s beyond that. It&#8217;s the triple movie where you have the immigrant coming to the United States, starting with nothing, working his way up. And by the third movie, now you&#8217;re on the third generation and the last thing they want is to be in any way associated with the past.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>This is just the classic three generation story. It was in my family. It&#8217;s probably in your family. We see it all over the place. And it&#8217;s just so well shown. Without telling people, you just watch it. Everyone moves in the direction that you can understand. And by the end, you&#8217;re in a totally different place than you start and The Godfather is all over. So the other thing I loved about that movie is that my dad, near the end of his life, we had a little thing where for three weeks in a row, every Sunday night, we&#8217;d watch one of the three. And I still remember being with him in those last days. And it was a very emotional time for me.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Mm that&#8217;s beautiful. Yeah. The immigrant story and the fact that everyone can get something from that. That&#8217;s beautiful.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Movies, oh, sorry, one last thing. I mean, movies are so powerful, I think for us, because when we&#8217;re watching a movie, if we&#8217;re truly absorbed, the sense of self evaporates, it&#8217;s just the movie. And we lose ourselves in that. And I think that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s such a powerful archetype for us that going to the movies, especially going to the movies with others. There&#8217;s this weird collective thing that happens. It&#8217;s really wonderful. I recently saw a movie, Everything Everywhere All at Once, which is about this sort of multiversal Asian immigrant tale that throws in a multiverse. And some sci-fi and some action, but it&#8217;s really about a family story. And you could just feel the energy of the audience, many of whom were Asian American and is a very powerful experience.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Wow. I haven&#8217;t heard of that movie. I&#8217;ll check that out too.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>You might enjoy it.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Is it currently playing?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>It might be rereleased. It came out a few months ago, but you can get it on the usual rental channels online.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>One last topic coming out of what you mentioned earlier, you mentioned Buddhism and I&#8217;m always fascinated by your understanding of it, your practice of it, you&#8217;re going towards it. A book that I read at least twice a year is Victor Frankl&#8217;s Man&#8217;s Search for Meaning. And in this podcast, we&#8217;ve covered the gamut already. Issues around suffering and happiness. You&#8217;ve pointed out many times about Buddhism and the idea that suffering is, it&#8217;s integral part of life. Last episode we talked about on the other hand, that we&#8217;ve both had great fortune in our lives to have had pretty good lives and excellent upbringing. Victor Frankl talks about the fact that we can&#8217;t control the world around us, but we can control our response to that world. I want to ask you about this whole notion about our attitudes, about happiness and what we should do about that in the context of healthcare today. How do we separate what&#8217;s real, which is our ability to gain happiness out of purpose and at a function from what is simply Pollyanna deception.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So, this is interesting and I actually don&#8217;t consider myself a Buddhist. I actually look at all these different approaches to self-awareness or awakening or however you want to call it. But I think what many of us in healthcare suffer from and I saw this at the retreat we did, I&#8217;m actually tomorrow, I&#8217;m leaving for another eight day silent meditation retreat, actually with a anesthesiologist, Angelo DiLulo, who&#8217;s been on my show a few times at his home. It&#8217;s just a small group of people. And it&#8217;s interesting, because a lot of these guys are healthcare people at the last retreat.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>And what we find is we are so self-referential, we&#8217;re so up in our head, we&#8217;re so identified with our thoughts and our emotions and our bodies and we feel like we&#8217;re the small thing against the world. And so we&#8217;re trying to find happiness as a separate self battling against a world that is opposed to us. And the real revelation starts to come when you realize, that&#8217;s just not the case. When you can actually examine your experience in the current moment and find no distinction between self and other and in a sense, it&#8217;s all happening and it&#8217;s happening perfectly. And that automatically realigns attitude, because attitude is a kind of a thought pattern.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>And we then interact with the world in a very different way. The energy we put out is different and our responses are different. And it&#8217;s all the cliches you hear, everything is love and this and that and all that. Those are just dumbed down ways of saying the experience that&#8217;s available in the present moment is beyond words. And people will reduce it to a Hallmark card, but it&#8217;s actually experienceable. So instead of thinking about it, talking about it, theorizing about it, just pay attention to the present moment and see what happens. And often the attitudinal changes and all that can just emerge from that, but it takes persistence, awareness and sometimes a teacher and sometimes some striving, which is paradoxical, but that&#8217;s been my experience so far on this sort of journey.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>How do you stop that from making the individual, the victim and the source of the problem, when it&#8217;s really the context around him or her?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s a paradox because you&#8217;re telling somebody, &#8220;Listen, this is really in your control. Meaning there&#8217;s no control, but you can wake up to that and you have to look.&#8221; And so in a way, you&#8217;re giving them this sense of agency and responsibility for themselves, which can create this kind of victim mentality. But in reality, that&#8217;s to wake up to the fact that they&#8217;re really, this is just this beautiful present moment happening. There&#8217;s no past and future. It&#8217;s really just this.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>And that means that when you actually, it&#8217;s not even a knowing, it&#8217;s an actualized realization. You embody this understanding. The way that you show up in the world actually is better. It&#8217;s better for you in the story sense. It&#8217;s better for you in the emotional sense and it&#8217;s better for others. And so it&#8217;s because so many of us are trapped in the kind of, I&#8217;m a victim mentality, or it&#8217;s all my circumstance, that&#8217;s the problem. And the truth is, there is no problem in the present moment, but that again, and that gets back to The Matrix. He says, &#8220;There is no spoon,&#8221; to Neo. In the end, when you realize that, then you have all the power paradoxically.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>To be continued in the next episode. Let me turn it back to Jeremy to pose the question to you and me.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious if there is a person or topic or something that happened in medical history, that if each of you had to choose, that you would make a movie out of that you would feel that would be inspiring to not just medical professionals, but to a mainstream audience as well?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Boy, there are a lot of beautiful evolvements in medicine. I think Osler&#8217;s story, some people call him the father of modern medicine would be a great kind of biopic to tell, to kind of show what medicine is at its heart. I think the story of Maurice Hilleman who pioneered and discovered and invented some of the first commercial vaccines is a beautiful story. I think Paul Offit actually was involved in a documentary about him, but doing a fictionalized version would be a beautiful piece. There&#8217;s so many of these things that would inspire us to reconnect to the kind of sacred heart of medicine, which is that deep connection with other humans. That then you fold in the science and the technology and the innovation, but really it&#8217;s about other people. So I&#8217;ll turn it over to you, Robbie. But those are my top of the head thoughts.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I love, whether it&#8217;s a novel, whether it&#8217;s a movie, the vision of an arc. I think every story has to have an arc of one sort. There are lots of different arcs, but it has to have a connection coming up to either a peak or going down to a valley and coming back up afterwards. And the story that I&#8217;m obviously focused a lot on right now, I just did a TED Talk on, was the story of Ignaz Semmelweis and the discovery of how doctors were carrying the bacterium, they didn&#8217;t know as a bacterium at the time, from the autopsy room into the delivery room and killing large numbers of women. I could imagine the movie opening with the suffering of women who were coming in for, what should have been a glorious event, delivering a child and dying in the hospital and leaving the new baby and the children back at home without a mother. Semmelweis&#8217;s fortuitous experience where a colleague nick&#8217;s finger, develops a local infection, goes on to a clinical course, identical to these women who develop the technical term&#8217;s puerperal fever.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>And he goes on to die. Semmelweis comes up with an idea. He&#8217;s a scientist. He tests it. He finds that the mortality drops from 18% to under 2%. We expect, as the audience, oh my gosh, this is terrific. People are going to embrace it. Doctors are going to love it. It&#8217;s going to spread rapidly. Only to find out that no, they actually hate it, because it lowers their status. It lowers their prestige. And Semmelweis ultimately gets submitted to a psychiatric mental health facility where he goes on to die a couple of years later.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>And it&#8217;s the pathos of both the experience, the suffering of the women and the families and the arrogance of the physician at the time. And of course, in the end, the pathos of Semmelweis himself, who won&#8217;t get a chance 50 years later, to see Pasteur define infection and be able to identify the bacteria that is responsible for this disease. And therefore allow us to then go on to treat the bacterium. And now that&#8217;s a relatively rare complication following delivery. So that&#8217;s the arc that I would follow in the story. And I think it would make a far, even a far more beautiful movie, than either book or article.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So basically what I&#8217;m hearing is, you&#8217;re nixing my inventor of the DaVinci prostate robot story. Is that what you&#8217;re saying for Semmelweis? Because I think that story is completely boring and uncompelling.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s beautiful. The Semmelweis story, because it points right back at us, at the culture of medicine. It&#8217;s so uncomfortable to think that we could be complicit in harming and creating, suffering in women. And yet there it is, the culture trumps everything else. And Semmelweis, when you talk about the arc, the hero&#8217;s journey, what Joseph Campbell, famous mythology professor talked about this hero&#8217;s journey. And by the way, a great thing to listen to if you haven&#8217;t, Robbie is The Power of Myth. It&#8217;s an audio series with Joseph Campbell and Bill Moyers from, I think it was the &#8217;80s. And they talk about this stuff, the hero&#8217;s journey, it&#8217;s really, really powerful.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read Joseph Campbell&#8217;s book. I love it. And I&#8217;m going to make sure we talk about it as the first thing we discuss in the next episode of Unfiltered. So Zubin, it&#8217;s been terrific. Thank you so much. And I can&#8217;t wait till we get back online a month from today.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Thank you, Robbie. It&#8217;s always a blast.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>We hope you enjoyed this episode and we&#8217;ll tell your friends and colleagues about it. Please follow Fixing Healthcare and Apple Podcast, Spotify or your favorite podcast app. If you like the show, please rate it five stars and leave a review. If you want more information on healthcare topics, you can go to Robbie&#8217;s website, robertpearlmd.com or visit our website at fixinghealthcarepodcast.com. Follow us on LinkedIn, Facebook and Twitter at Fixing HC Podcast. Thank you for listening to Fixing Healthcare&#8217;s newest series Unfiltered with Dr. Robert Pearl, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Zubin Damania. Have a great day.</p>
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		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/08/03/fhc-60-don-berwick/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2022 16:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Returning to the podcast this week is a household name in medicine, <strong>Dr. Don Berwick</strong>, who made his first appearance on the show in <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/12/09/episode-5-don-berwick/">season one</a></strong>. Back then, Don said something that would turn out to be highly relevant to this: the seventh season of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>.</p>
<p>“We have made so many stupid rules [in healthcare],” Don said, “and those stupid rules have to be stopped. They have to be taken down. Many of them are rules that make no sense.”</p>
<p>He was referring to some of medicine’s written rules—particularly, the endless performance metrics that so many doctors despise. In this interview, hosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>ask Don to discuss some of medicine’s <em>unwritten</em> rules. These are, as listeners know, the norms and behaviors that dictate the way doctors think and behave.</p>
<p>Quick bio: Don is the former president and CEO of the <strong><a href="https://www.ihi.org/">Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI)</a></strong> and led the organization’s <strong><a href="https://www.ihi.org/Engage/Initiatives/Completed/5MillionLivesCampaign/Documents/Overview%20of%20the%20100K%20Campaign.pdf">100,000 Lives Campaign</a></strong>. He’s the former administrator of the Centers for Medicare &amp; Medicaid Services (CMS) and has served on the faculty for Harvard Medical School and Harvard School of Public Health.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Interview Highlights</u></strong></h3>
<h5><strong>On fixing healthcare with help from colleagues</strong></h5>
<p>“I&#8217;ve never done anything alone. It&#8217;s with a group of people like you, Robbie, who understand that we&#8217;ve got to make changes, our oath needs to be honored, and that&#8217;s only going to be done if we change the way we deliver care. I think that the lesson I learned early on is that the receptivity in the workforce is enormous, once offered the opportunity to improve the work they do to get really involved in all the dimensions of excellence. The vast majority of people in healthcare, doctors, patients, nurses, pharmacists, they really want to make changes. And if you can drill down to that energy, you can have success.”</p>
<h5><strong> On the ‘100,000 Lives’ campaign </strong></h5>
<p>“One of the most dramatically positive experiences in my career, I think, was the 100,000 Lives campaign back in 2004. The architect was my colleague still, Joe McCannon. We developed the idea of trying to mobilize energy throughout the nation in hospitals to adopt a relatively simple set of changes that would save lives by improving processes by standardizing and spreading practices that worked. Well within, oh, barely six months, we had over 3,000 American hospitals enrolled in that project. I think there&#8217;s a will in the workforce to work on making things better systemically that can be unleashed through proper leadership.”</p>
<h5><strong>On changing the system of care</strong></h5>
<p>“The trick is to learn to think systemically, for clinicians to understand that they are citizens in complex environments, much bigger than themselves. And only when we get involved in, buoyantly, happily, joyfully get involved in celebrating and working in those interdependencies with the support of leaders can we make progress. It&#8217;s really frustrating to try to be a hero all the time. It doesn&#8217;t work.”</p>
<h5><strong>On preventive care</strong></h5>
<p>“Prevention is always hard. You don&#8217;t actually know what doesn&#8217;t happen, but once you bring a scientific lens to this problem of excellence and get honest about the data, you can see it, you can see the harm.”</p>
<h5><strong>On breaking hammerlock of healthcare financing</strong></h5>
<p>“We&#8217;re in a hammerlock right now. The incumbent financial system is so deeply invested in the technologies and processes of acute care, some of which are miraculous, lives are saved every day by organ transplants and heart surgery and advanced chemotherapy that we should never give up, never ever give up. But in order to support that technocracy, we&#8217;ve developed a financial architecture that is confiscatory. It takes everybody&#8217;s money and talk about breaking rules. The rules for payment, the rules for profit, for greed that allow greed to enter the system are costing us dearly. And I think the incumbent system doesn&#8217;t want to change it. It doesn&#8217;t want to see that money shift.”</p>
<h5><strong>On thinking globally to change healthcare</strong></h5>
<p>“We really need to become globalists in our thinking. It&#8217;s not un-American to ask how other nations and other communities deal with health and wellbeing and at what price, it&#8217;s instructive. And we need to have a humility to do that searching.”</p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Don-Berwick_Episode-60.pdf"><strong>READ: Full transcript with Don Berwick</strong></a></p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
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		<title>CTT #63: What causes ‘Covid-19 rebound’ after Paxlovid?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/07/26/ctt-63-paxlovid/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2022 19:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/29/us/politics/fauci-paxlovid-covid.html">Dr. Anthony Fauci</a> </strong>recently credited the antiviral drug Paxlovid with keeping him out of the hospital. That was after he tested positive a second time for Covid-19. Following a course of Paxlovid pills, Fauci appeared to experience a “rebound” case of Covid-19, stoking fears about the drug.</p>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl examine whether Paxlovid treatment is worse than the disease. You’ll find that and all the [time stamped] topics discussed during this show here:</p>
<p><strong>[01:01] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[04:17] Listener question: “What are the facts about ‘rebound COVID’ after people take Paxlovid?” </strong></p>
<p><strong>[06:21] </strong>What should we expect from the updated mRNA vaccine coming this fall?</p>
<p><strong>[08:47] </strong>How bad was care for patients who went to the hospital for surgery during the height of the pandemic?</p>
<p><strong>[10:51] </strong>Are Americans “over” Covid-19, according to polls?</p>
<p><strong>[12:55] </strong>What’s new with young kids and Covid?</p>
<p>*<em>This section deals with non-Covid news and events in medicine</em>*</p>
<p><strong>[17:28] </strong>What do doctors fear most about the recent SCOTUS decision on abortion?</p>
<p><strong>[26:39] </strong>How much does a pregnancy cost in medical bills?</p>
<p><strong>[27:55] </strong>Among wealthy nations, the U.S. has had a terrible track record with maternal mortality. What surprising thing happened during the pandemic?</p>
<p><strong>[29:40] </strong>The pandemic has made medicine worse in many ways for lower and middle-income families. Are there any national solutions on the table?</p>
<p><strong>[31:40] </strong>What about the medical implications of the guns case SCOTUS ruled on recently? What about climate change? Domestic violence? What else is impacting medical care?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
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		<title>FHC #59: Diving deep into SCOTUS rulings &#038; drug-industry rules</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/07/17/fhc-59-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2022 23:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast series, “Diving Deep,” probes into some of healthcare’s most complex topics and deep-seated problems.</p>
<p>On today’s episode, hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr dive deep into a pair of controversial Supreme Court rulings with serious medical implications. Then they dive into the rules drug companies play by to keep prices and profits sky high.</p>
<p>For more information on these topics, check out Dr. Pearl’s latest healthcare columns on <strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/">Forbes</a> </strong>and <strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/breaking-the-healthcare-rules-6886483197157285888/">LinkedIn</a></strong>. For listeners interested in show notes, here’s a time-stamped discussion guide:</p>
<p><strong>THE SUPREME COURT V. SCIENCE</strong></p>
<p><strong>[00:57] </strong>What events inspired Dr. Pearl’s latest Forbes essay “The U.S. Supreme Court Is Unscientific, Medically Negligent?”</p>
<p><strong>[02:09] </strong>What are critics saying about the <em>Dobbs</em> and NY gun cases?</p>
<p><strong>[02:47] </strong>Did the court really break longstanding precedent in overturning Roe?</p>
<p><strong>[05:40] </strong>What are defenders of the Court saying about these decisions?</p>
<p><strong>[06:41] </strong>How does <em>Brown v. Board </em>(1954) relate to Pearl’s view that today’s Court is unscientific?</p>
<p><strong>[08:48] </strong>Did the recent <em>Dobbs</em> ruling on abortion dismiss important facts?</p>
<p><strong>[09:55] </strong>What is “originalism” and how does it affect the current Court’s decisions?</p>
<p><strong>[12:23] </strong>In the article, Pearl evokes the Spanish Inquisition. Why?</p>
<p><strong>[14:09] </strong>Which scientific facts should the judges have considered in the NY gun case?</p>
<p><strong>[16:26] </strong>What’s the relationship between mental health issues and gun violence?</p>
<p><strong>[18:57] </strong>What medical consequences will women experience as a result of the recent abortion case?</p>
<p><strong>THE RULES DRUG COMPANIES PLAY BY </strong></p>
<p><strong>[20:20]</strong> How do drug companies go about pricing new medications?</p>
<p><strong>[21:14] </strong>Why are biopharma companies so profitable?</p>
<p><strong>[21:47] </strong>How does the drug industry outpace all other industries in revenue?</p>
<p><strong>[22:33] </strong>Do pharma companies need to improve drugs in order to raise prices?</p>
<p><strong>[24:51] </strong>How does Big Pharma influence drug policy?</p>
<p><strong>[25:33] </strong>How do current U.S. policies boost drug-industry profits?</p>
<p><strong>[27:15] </strong>Why don’t lower-priced competitors try to disrupt the drug industry?</p>
<p><strong>[29:43] </strong>What can patients do about high drug prices?</p>
<p><strong>[30:23] </strong>What three things could Congress do to curb high prices?</p>
<p><strong>[31:51] </strong>Doesn’t the drug industry deserve some kudos for the good they do?</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #58: An unfiltered look at inauthenticity in medicine</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“I wish I was more authentic, more transparent, more myself from the very beginning (rather) than trying to create a character or a persona,” said Dr. Zubin Damania (aka ZDoggMD) when asked about his social media regrets.</p>
<p>On this week’s show, Dr. Z joins cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr to discuss the false personas that physicians assume as part of their medical training. They are taught, as doctors, to conceal emotions, remain objective and always keep patients at a professional distance.</p>
<p>“The culture of medicine,” added Dr. Damania, “is inauthentic by its own creation.”</p>
<p>Welcome to <strong>Unfiltered</strong>, a show that brings together iconic voices in healthcare for an unscripted, hard-hitting half hour of talk. A little show history: Prior to Unfiltered, <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>had twice appeared on <em>The ZDoggMD Show</em> (see: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgIZ8e4_SDQ">here </a>and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oNUnssjEfs">here</a>) opposite <strong>Dr. Zubin Damania</strong>, who had twice appeared on the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast with Pearl, alongside cohost <strong>Jeremy Corr </strong>(see: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/08/08/episode-1-zdoggmd/">here</a> and <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/10/11/episode-26-zdoggmd-culture/">here</a>).</p>
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<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong>UNFILTERED TRANSCRIPT</strong></h3>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>Welcome to Unfiltered, our newest program in our weekly Fixing Healthcare podcast series. Joining us each month is Dr. Zubin Damania, known to many as ZDoggMD. For 25 minutes, he and Robbie will engage in unscripted and hard-hitting conversations about art, politics, entertainment, and much more. As nationally recognized physicians and healthcare policy experts, they&#8217;ll apply the lessons they extract to medical practice. I&#8217;ll then pose a question for the two of them as the patient based on what I&#8217;ve heard. Robbie, why don&#8217;t you kick it off?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Hello, Zubin. I can&#8217;t tell you how much I look forward to this program each month.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, it is a lot of fun. I always learn something and then take it home and abuse that knowledge in some way and misuse it. So it&#8217;s very important to me.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Excellent. Excellent. I&#8217;ve developed this habit. As people tell me various things each month on a variety of topics, I find myself wondering, what would Zubin say? Fortunately, I get to find out.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>And then how can I do the opposite of what he just said? It&#8217;s interesting. All joking aside, I feel the same way about you. I&#8217;m always thinking, how would Robbie interpret this? What would he do, given all his experience? So it&#8217;s fun to talk.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>All right. So let me start with a conversation we had on Fixing Healthcare with a physician who is very big in social media. This is Rod Rohrich. And I asked him a question about what did he regret having done on social media, and his response was interesting. He said, &#8220;There&#8217;s nothing much that I regret having done, but there&#8217;s much I regret not having done.&#8221; Is this your view about social media and yourself, or do you have regrets about social media that you wish you hadn&#8217;t done?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, it&#8217;s really interesting. I am more with him, actually on this. I wish I was more authentic, more transparent, more myself from the very beginning than trying to create a character or a persona living in this kind of fear that we are ingrained as physicians to make sure we&#8217;re always trying to be whatever vestige of professional we can. And I think people really on social media, where it really comes into its own is when there&#8217;s authenticity and also kind of a lack of concern about growing followers and growing influence and more like, here&#8217;s what I need to say and how I want to say it. And I think I have the authority say it for these reasons, and here I am. And the other regret, I think, if I&#8217;m thinking about regret, it&#8217;s more early recognizing the addictive quality of social media and how we can have these &#8230; There a term that my friend, Peter Limberg, has coined called second selfing. And it means when we put ourselves out as a digital facsimile, like out in the world of social media, say, we have our primary self, like what we do in work and home and all of that. And then we have our secondary self, which is out in the world. We really do fall prey to certain failure conditions that can be fulfilled, for example, the idea that we are actually addicts of the very platforms that we are out on. So we may become addicted to Facebook or Instagram or looking at our stats and that kind of thing. There&#8217;s a kind of internalized capitalism that happens where we&#8217;re always concerned about what are views and who&#8217;s sharing this and what are the comments, and getting those little hits of dopamine from those kind of things. There&#8217;s the strange parasocial projections that our audience project onto us thinking that they understand or know a lot about us because we&#8217;re out there, but those parasocial projections are often sort of distortions of what our actual reality is. So there&#8217;s a series of kind of interesting foibles. So my regret would be not understanding that earlier and then kind of adjusting for that and recognizing that. It took me a while to kind of fall into the flow of that.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>What he said that was fascinating to me or pointed out that was fascinating to me was that medicine is intrinsically a very conservative profession. And when you and I were in our training, we were told to have this false persona. Don&#8217;t show your emotion. Don&#8217;t connect with the patient. Keep a distance. Anything else distorts objective diagnosis and treatment. And so I&#8217;m not sure that there is an authenticity in the culture of medicine, and you&#8217;re pointing out that it takes the authenticity to engage in broad social media with thousands or hundreds of thousands of individuals.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s an absolutely central point is that the culture itself is inauthentic by its own creation. And so to then tell a physician, &#8220;Oh, be authentic on social media,&#8221; that&#8217;s not going to happen because it&#8217;s antithetical to the training. When I started in 2010 doing social media, there was a kind of internal cognitive dissonance, like, can I really do this? This is absolutely contrary to everything I was trained. And my colleagues were telling me the same thing, like, &#8220;Oh, you&#8217;re going to get in trouble,&#8221; or Stanford&#8217;s going to be mad or Palo Alto is going to be mad, whatever it is. And so you&#8217;re always operating in this kind of climate of fear, which is very difficult to foster an authentic expression of connection with the audience in that case. You know?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Like you, Zubin, I love asking questions for exactly the reason you said a few minutes ago. I always learn a lot, particularly when the people are expert or at least have unique perspectives. And I often realize how wrong my assumptions are. I thought of this a couple of weeks ago. I had dinner with a friend I hadn&#8217;t seen in eight years. And eight years ago, five of us had dinner in San Diego. And I was surprised when she told me that she often thought of the question I posed that evening. I couldn&#8217;t remember the details, so I had to ask her what had I said. And she responded that I had asked the whole table which was more important in friendship, truth or loyalty. What do you think?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, man. These are the existential questions. So this is what I think. I think the answer to that question depends entirely on our inborn and somewhat further conditioned personality types. So if we are a type that values relationships, commitments, loyalty, duty, responsibility &#8230; There are certain personality types that that&#8217;s very high scoring in. Then the answer would be loyalty. And actually, it&#8217;s funny, Robbie, because I actually fall into that inbred personality type. It&#8217;s kind of like the software that my personality runs on. And what&#8217;s interesting is I never take any of this personally anymore because I know that even that software is running in sort of a perfect open expression of awareness that&#8217;s running the software. So I don&#8217;t identify with my personality, so I can look at it a little more objectively. So for me, the answer would be loyalty and duty to each other, whereas there are many that, say a different personality type that values truth over loyalty. The answer is going to be quite different. And what is fascinating is that will manifest differently in behavior, say on social media. So betrayal might be the cardinal sin among friends questioning each other publicly or whatever, among one type. And among another, it might be just constantly trying to find truth, and any deviation from that would lead to a personal attack. So that&#8217;s just kind of my thinking on that.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>It was interesting because her answer was that at the time, she thought loyalty was. But now, almost a decade later, she&#8217;s come to recognize truth being more valuable. I thought that was an interesting evolution as she&#8217;s progressed along her professional career.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. One might even say that progression to truth is more a question of seeing things clearly, regardless. Right? And loyalty can be folded into truth in that way, in some sense.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I believe that at least with close friends, that loyalty demands truth.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh yeah.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Not judgment, but truth. I think that&#8217;s the evolution in my life. And when I have my close friends and I have a thought, I don&#8217;t try to protect them, but I try to engage them. I don&#8217;t judge them. I&#8217;m going to like them, whatever I tell them, whatever I perceive. But to me, truth becomes a derivative of that because if I can&#8217;t tell them the truth, then no one&#8217;s going to. And I&#8217;m a loyal friend of them.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. And the interesting thing about truth is often we cannot see it in ourselves. We&#8217;re very good at self deception, especially in healthcare circles. And so having a friend who&#8217;s loyal enough to hold up the mirror of truth to you, I think is powerful.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>How about in medicine, particularly when it comes to telling patients difficult things and engaging in difficult conversations. Should we and do we tell them the truth, or do we protect them through some type of veil of loyalty?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>This is another wonderful question because sometimes, pure, unadulterated truth delivered in an indelicate way can destabilize the situation in a way that actually causes harm. And so because humans are so complex, truth, and even the definition of truth can vary from person to person. But the question is, I think we always have to be as honest with our patients as we can, but delivering that message must be done in a compassionate and thoughtful way, because how we deliver it is actually probably more important than the actual message we deliver for many people because how they receive it, it triggers a physiologic response, an emotional response, a mental response, a logistic response, what they&#8217;re going to do with it. So yes, honesty and truth is important, but the delivery vehicle is key as well.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. My sense is that we often don&#8217;t tell the truth not to protect the other person or because they really can&#8217;t hear it, but because we don&#8217;t want to express it. It&#8217;s about us, not about them. And that&#8217;s where I think that loyalty and I think the doctor-patient relationship has to go past that, which you&#8217;re raising a very important part, that if you don&#8217;t have, I&#8217;ll say that in depth doctor-patient relationship, which should be one of bilateral loyalty and commitment, then you&#8217;re not able to provide the truth without creating harm. And that becomes the problem in medicine, as opposed to the fact itself, which says, yes, you have a disease, and no, there&#8217;s nothing I or any other doctor can do to correct it. I will be there with you in your most difficult times to the last moment. I will make sure that you&#8217;re not in pain. But you need to know, so that you can finalize your life, that you only have a certain amount of time. I can&#8217;t tell you exactly how long, but at the end of the time, you will be dying. And it will not be your hoped for longevity. It will be sometime most likely in the next year, or whatever the medical facts would say is the timeframe. And I think that&#8217;s so important so that there are no regrets, either obviously, for the person who died, who won&#8217;t have regrets after he or she&#8217;s dead, but also the people who are still alive.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think the key thing there is that you pointed out that contrary to popular belief, there are two human beings in the room when it&#8217;s a doctor and a patient in the room. And that physician human being, they have their own defenses and hangups around these conversations. And in many ways, like you say, we&#8217;re reluctant because it&#8217;s pointing a mirror at our own mortality, our own feelings of success or failure, or our own conditioned beliefs on what makes a good doctor, and giving hope or taking hope away, and all these concepts that we have around it. But in reality, I&#8217;ll never forget when I was a resident at Stanford, I had a clinic at the VA. And I had a youngish, like in his 50s, vet who I had diagnosed. We did a chest X-ray for some other reason and diagnosed a lung cancer. And he took me out to dinner along with my girlfriend, who became my wife, at the time. And I said, &#8220;Why are you doing this?&#8221; He said, &#8220;I really wanted to thank you for being able to show me what was going on. I know it&#8217;s going to be a tough thing, and I know I may not survive. But being able to know the truth and you delivering it very directly and compassionately was so important to me.&#8221; And I&#8217;ll never forget that. I&#8217;ll never forget the dinner. I&#8217;ll never forget him. And that&#8217;s what it was. There&#8217;s two human beings in the room. They&#8217;re connecting.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>If I can shift to another conversation, this one I had with a medical student who contacted me and wanted some career advice. He was trying to decide whether to get an MBA, whether to get a PhD. There were a variety of choices he had to make in his life. And he asked me a fascinating question. He said, &#8220;You&#8217;ve done so much in your career. You&#8217;ve achieved so much. Are you just a lucky person?&#8221; So let me ask you, Zubin. You&#8217;ve achieved so much. Are you just a lucky person?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, I&#8217;m the luckiest person on earth. All of it is a serendipitous, brilliant, interdependent connection. And to say that I had anything to do with it is to overstate it by an order of magnitude in that sense that yeah, I was lucky to be born to two physician parents who made me feel like there was struggle all the time and that there was scarcity. And so I fought for every little tooth and nail. And then I had mentors that were amazing and all that. But here&#8217;s another twist in that, is that we have the choice in any moment to make ourselves open to what my late friend, Tony Hsieh, calls return on luck, ROL. Are you open and available when luck strikes to actually do something, to be there, to actualize it? And that&#8217;s in your control. And so everybody has these vestiges of luck. It&#8217;s just how open are we to actually be there when it happens. And I think many people in medicine are so conditioned by inertia and fear that we close ourselves to return on these serendipitous gifts that life throws our way.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>There are clearly some people in this world who get born into tremendous poverty in Bangladesh and have bad luck, so let&#8217;s exclude that. But amongst most of the people around us in the United States, do some people have more luck than others? Or is it just that when the luck comes along, they&#8217;re better prepared, and they can take advantage of it in ways that others do not?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s definitely a mix of things. If you can look at the kind of karmic background of people, what are the causes and effects that led to their current situation? And it&#8217;s intergenerational. It&#8217;s trans culture. These are things that are &#8230; It&#8217;s kind of a momentum that you&#8217;re born into. For example, if your life is like a wave, how big was that wave when it started? What was the nature of the currents and everything that led to it? And now here you are on this big wave coming towards the shore, versus somebody who was on a more subdued wave. And you look at the person in Bangladesh, who from our standpoint looks like they&#8217;re very unlucky, and you actually poll what&#8217;s their level of self-reported happiness. You may be surprised at how high it is because even though their wave was a little weird, they&#8217;re around people that are connected. There&#8217;s a sense of community, a sense of love, a sense of presence. And so their general level of happiness is high, even without all the material and health-wealth that we purport to have.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>You&#8217;re exactly right. It&#8217;s fascinating that I didn&#8217;t think about that when he asked me, because the studies on happiness have shown how much greater happiness exists in parts of the world that we would think would have misery. But people have family. They have relationships. They have to have enough food to survive and enough housing and protection against the elements. So there&#8217;s some basic pieces that if they don&#8217;t have it, then obviously, their life is in total crisis. But beyond that, there&#8217;s not very much. And as we said in our last podcast, the psychological literature even in the United States says that beyond a number that is at least among physicians, a level most of us pass, which is about $125,000 to $150,000 a year of income, beyond that there&#8217;s zero correlation with added happiness. And obviously, if people are having to make major compromises to generate a bigger number, there could be more dissatisfaction. And how distorted our minds are about what generates happiness in our lives.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. It really gets back down to that central premise of a lot of the spiritual traditions, which is desire and aversion are the operating system of the mind, and it is also the root of all suffering. So once we reach a certain level of material comfort, if that desire machinery keeps going, you don&#8217;t get happier or more stable. You just get more anxious. So as they say, more money, more problems.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the biggest piece of luck you&#8217;ve ever had in your life?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh man. I would never be able to isolate it to one thing, but I would probably say just being born into the exact family I was born into led to pretty much everything after that. And then &#8230; Oh, sorry, Robbie. I would be remiss if I didn&#8217;t say this. The biggest piece of luck I ever had in my life was meeting my wife. They say in business, the best business decision you can ever make is who you marry. And I would say, yeah, that&#8217;s true. But it&#8217;s also your happiness, your stability, your mental health. All of that goes with how you&#8217;re partnering. And again, a lot of it is luck. I would say 99.9% of it is luck. So I just happened to get lucky to meet a person that was a very good fit. We&#8217;re very different, and we complement each other. And we&#8217;ve managed to make it work so far.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Wow. Congratulations about that. Let me move into a little bit of a weirder area if it&#8217;s okay, because I was reading about this Google employee who was convinced that the AI application that existed was sentient and that had contacted an attorney. And he was the spokesperson for the AI application that was being deprived of the rights that it should have given its ability to perceive and feel things. But it made me think about a movie. Did you ever see the movie, Her, the 2013 movie with Joaquin Phoenix and the voice, at least, of Scarlet Johansson?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I never saw it, and I heard I should see it.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. So it focuses on Theodore, who is played by Joaquin Phoenix. He&#8217;s a sensitive and soulful man, and his job is to write personal letters for others. And he&#8217;s left heartbroken after his marriage ends in divorce. And he becomes fascinated by this computer operating system named Samantha, who is the voice of Scarlet Johansson. And her bright voice and playful personality lead to what he experiences as friendship, a date, ultimately love. I don&#8217;t want to spoil anymore of the movie, either for you or the listeners out there. But I&#8217;m fascinated by this line or lack of line or blurring of line between people and machines. I read that by 16 years from now, neural networks in AI will equal the number of neural networks in the human brain. The Turing Test will be easily passed by machines.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>What do you think? Will a time come when this line between machine and person will disappear? We can date machines. We can date people. We can have our doctor be machines, doctor people. Where do you think it&#8217;s going to go 50 years from now? You&#8217;re a visionary of the future. Where is it going to be, Zubin?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, the easy questions, always. Every podcast, you throw these softball questions. Yeah. It&#8217;s funny. I actually interviewed Federico Faggin. I may have mentioned in a previous podcast, he co-invented the world&#8217;s first commercial microprocessor. He&#8217;s kind of Silicon Valley royalty, worked with Andy Grove at Intel. And he studied AI for 30 years after, and also has had a series of little mini spiritual awakenings and has kind of studied consciousness. And he is quite convinced that machines, they can fool us. So in other words, you can get these complex neural networks that can behave for all intents and purposes like a human, and humans will be fooled. It&#8217;ll pass the Turing Test, all of that other stuff. But it&#8217;s really in essence, a zombie. The lights are not on inside. It&#8217;s just going through these prescribed motions that humans are conditioned to believe is actually sentience. So this person who&#8217;s saying, &#8220;Oh the Google AI is sentient,&#8221; is easily fooled by patterns, basically of behavior or action. And so why wouldn&#8217;t the AI actually have an internal life? Why would it not have a subjective experience? And that gets to the fundamental question of what is consciousness and what is our immediate experience. I will argue, and Federico argued the same thing, that organisms like us are unique in that the internal experience is so transcendent of what we think mechanical intelligence can do that it actually has a kind of inductive intelligence that you will never touch with computers. You can facsimile it, but it doesn&#8217;t have an internal state. And so if you want to fall in love with something that pretends to be a human, that&#8217;s great. That&#8217;s great for you. That&#8217;s wonderful. But if you&#8217;re telling yourself that it actually has an internal experience, that&#8217;s a tougher thing to wrap something around because it probably doesn&#8217;t and probably never will.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>So let me challenge you a little bit, which is if you are correct that there&#8217;s something truly unique about humans that doesn&#8217;t exist in other animals and to your point might not exist in a machine or a computer application, what is the evolutionary reason that it happened and persisted, because if it doesn&#8217;t have evolutionary value, then as we went from chimpanzee to human or from reptile to mammal, it would have not been a factor that would have persisted and now become ubiquitous. What is it about that you believe has tremendous advantages specific to survival?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Okay. I should clarify a couple things. One is, I do think actually animals are sentient. It&#8217;s just I don&#8217;t think that something we create in terms of mechanical intelligence can be sentient in the way that we understand sentience. The second thing I&#8217;ll say is, so this idea of consciousness as an evolutionary sort of epiphenomenon that has evolved and may have advantages and disadvantages for reproduction, you can talk about that at length, but I actually think that we&#8217;re getting it backwards. I&#8217;m actually an adherent of what professor Donald Hoffman&#8217;s theory is and some others, which is instead of saying the material stuff is primary, and consciousness evolved somehow from it in a way that we can&#8217;t quite understand yet because maybe we&#8217;re not smart enough, or whatever, I actually take the stance that consciousness was primary, and the material world is what consciousness sees when it constructs a kind of interface. So there is an objective reality, but it&#8217;s all consciousness. And we&#8217;re sort of like consciousness in a vast sense, social network of consciousness, evolving and competing with other interfaces that see the world differently. And so in that sense, consciousness is evolving, not so much consciousness evolved. That&#8217;s my roundabout way of totally avoiding your question.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;ll push again.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Which is that so much of human survival, so much of human existence, is being able to read other people and respond back in ways that are empathetic, sympathetic, engaging. Why, when a machine does that using an AI application &#8230; Not now, but we&#8217;re talking about 16 years from now, when it&#8217;s a thousand times more powerful. Why is that different than the human interaction and experience?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Ah, what a great question. I&#8217;ll just point us back at our own experience in the present moment. So if we think that we can make a computer and we can describe in parameters and terms and sequences how that computer can create the taste of chocolate or the internal state of love or something like that, I would then point us back to our immediate experience of any of those states without the conceptual overlays. So just experience what it looks like looking at your desk or your microphone, and really, really pay attention without labels. Look at that in a very mindful, present way. And what you will find as that experience unfolds is that it is indescribably vivid, intense, and without stability. It&#8217;s totally ephemeral. It&#8217;s radiating. And those words are not even coming close to doing it justice. So the actual conscious experience is unfathomably complex. And that&#8217;s why I think even if we were to use the microscope and the science of our own introspection, we would realize very quickly that it&#8217;s beyond our ability to create a facsimile of it mechanically. So that would be my take. And I&#8217;m probably wrong.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>The beauty about talking about 50 years from now is no one really has any idea. But I think it&#8217;s important because I actually do believe that there can be an evolution in machines beyond which we are capable of controlling. There was another movie around the same time. I think it was called Ex Machina.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, yeah.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>That was exactly about this theme and an AI application deciding that no longer did the AI application want to be under the direction of humans. And this is certainly the fear that people have talked about in AI getting out of control or computerized systems getting ahead of humans, not the ability to just memorize, but the ability to actually have more sophisticated neural connections than we do.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. And what&#8217;s interesting is I don&#8217;t think consciousness is even required for that to be a threat. Even the mechanical intelligence that can happen can be a threat to humans because it will vastly outstrip any human intelligence in that way. But it may not have comprehension. It may not have an internal state. But does it need it to actually destroy us? Probably not. So, yeah. This is hours of fun, Robbie. Either one of us could be right, and yet civilization could end.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Well, I feel like we owe it to our listeners to at least bring this back into reality. So one last observation that I learned about this week, which is that the business of psychological literature now is focused on an interesting phenomenon about people, which is that we always like to add and rarely subtract. And by that, I mean if you give people a problem, you give them a Lego structure with two towers, one that&#8217;s slightly higher than the other, and a ramp connecting the two sides, and you ask them to horizontalize, if there&#8217;s such a word, that ramp, 90% of people will add a block to the lower side, rather than just subtracting one from the elevated side. And they&#8217;ve pointed out how much in our lives we move to adding when we face a problem, rather than thinking about ways to subtract from it. And my sense in medicine is that&#8217;s what doctors and healthcare leaders do. We add a new policy when there&#8217;s a problem, rather than perceiving that maybe there is a policy that needs to be taken away. Or we add a new procedure or approach, rather than recognizing that maybe something we&#8217;re doing needs to be eliminated. What do you think? Do you think that this problem is real, and what can we do about it?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. You have a great way of pointing out these things that people don&#8217;t think about. That&#8217;s exactly it. If you ask doctors, what&#8217;s the best day you&#8217;ve had in recent memory at work, they&#8217;ll always point to something where things were stripped away. There was less administrative stuff. There was less charting. There was more time with the patient. But that more time with the patient is almost like a presence or a silence. It&#8217;s almost subtractive in itself. It&#8217;s taking away all the garbage and just allowing this to be. And in medicine, it&#8217;s exactly that, especially in the West. It&#8217;s all about adding, adding, adding. Well, if these three click boxes weren&#8217;t enough, something isn&#8217;t working. Let&#8217;s just add another click box, instead of thinking, well, maybe the concept of all these click boxes is probably not the right way to approach this particular problem. Technology, same thing. Add more features, more of this. How about just make the technology more focused on what it is we actually need and strip away all the stuff you don&#8217;t need? And again, I always bring it back, because you see where my head is these days, to any kind of spiritual practice. It&#8217;s all about letting go and surrendering and letting things sort of regress back to almost childlike wonder. And we don&#8217;t do that in medicine at all. We generally do the opposite, as you said. It&#8217;s interesting that the psychological literature then kind of reifies that, that people just do that. Maybe it&#8217;s a function of human beings, or maybe it&#8217;s a function of how we&#8217;re conditioned in society.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>In my book Uncaring, I write about my aunt, who at the time was in her 90s. She ultimately died at 99. And I was visiting her, and she had this big garbage bag full of medications. I don&#8217;t know how many she was on, 8, 10, 12. Every doctor continued to have a drug they prescribed for her and then added more as she had an abnormal lab result or an abnormal finding. And I suggested she see a geriatric physician. And the first thing the doctor said is, &#8220;You only have one medication you need. I&#8217;d throw the rest of them away.&#8221; And she felt so much better. She didn&#8217;t have complications and lightheadedness. She was steadier in her gait. Now, this is not the right advice for everyone at every point in their life. But no one thought about saying, &#8220;Maybe you should stop some of those medications. You don&#8217;t need to lower your blood lipids. You&#8217;re 97 years old. How long are you going to live?&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a disease we have in healthcare that we&#8217;re conditioned to do that. At our clinic, Turntable Health, we have this thing because again, so much of it, as you all always point out, Robbie, is your incentives. So if you&#8217;re paid to do stuff to people, you&#8217;re going to do stuff to people. And what we were at our clinic in Turntable &#8230; And I know you were doing this at Permanente Medical Group. It was a capitated rate to take care of a population. And so what we would do is we had in our huddle room bags and bags and bags of medications that we&#8217;d taken patients off on a wall. And that was sort of our pride was like, look at all these medicines we&#8217;ve stopped on people. And they&#8217;re doing so much better. They&#8217;re so much happier, instead of just the knee jerk of wanting to add more stuff. And it all gets right back to your Lego analogy. We really need to learn that less is more in medicine more than anything, often.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>And in many ways, that&#8217;s what prevention is. It&#8217;s less disease. Not treating the disease and avoiding complications from disease, eliminating disease, figuring out ways to avoid hypertension, to avoid diabetes, to avoid chronic lung disease. And in medicine, we don&#8217;t value that highly enough. And again, I like to think about these unanswerable questions. I wonder how much of that is just the human mind, that we want to see ourselves as problem solvers, not as problem preventers.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think you have been one of the clearest voices in pointing out our own internal conflicts around this and in medicine, and I think that&#8217;s one of the central ones. That&#8217;s very brilliantly put.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>And you did it in Las Vegas.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>So we just celebrated the 4th of July here in the United States, and this year it felt very bittersweet. I&#8217;m a firm believer that America&#8217;s the greatest nation in the world, in spite of some of the dark things in our past, such as slavery and the horrible treatment of indigenous people. That being said, America in my opinion was a great experiment in democracy, and largely it worked. It has worked for some people more than others though. You guys talked about luck earlier. And some people have obviously lucked into good situations or being born with wealthy parents or wealthier, more educated communities, et cetera. And I&#8217;ve seen many people on social media in the last couple of weeks, boycotting July 4th or having F the 4th of July parties, while others celebrate it like we&#8217;re some sort of flawless nation.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>We even had a mass shooting again over the weekend in Illinois. And I don&#8217;t think at the time of this recording, his motivations are known yet. But what I have seen on social media is a lot of people claiming he was a right wing nut job and an equal number of people claiming he was a left wing nut job. One thing that was very clear though is that he was very, very mentally ill. How can we as a nation heal this divide, focus on helping those that are less fortunate, in less lucky situations, people that are mentally ill? And how can we focus on community and togetherness and healing instead of all this material and tribal things? And before I ask you your thoughts, I kind of want to close it with this Thomas Jefferson quote. He said, &#8220;Yes, we did produce a near perfect Republic, but will they keep it, or will they in the employment of plenty lose the memory of freedom? Material abundance without character is the surest way to destruction.&#8221; What are your thoughts?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Back to the unanswerable. No, I think this is actually something that we can wrap our heads around. We know there have been multiple reasons for division and all of that in this country, and some of it&#8217;s social media. Some of it&#8217;s cable news. Some of it is our sort of general natural evolution as humans to differentiate apart from each other before we integrate to the next phase of development. And one of the things you pointed out were these F the 4th of July parties and this kind of reaction to celebrating in a patriotic way, US democracy and independence. I think that&#8217;s a form of nihilistic reaction to problems and excesses that we see in our country. And rather, I think, than focusing on the nihilism, or even focusing on the people who are behaving in a nihilistic way, we ought to focus on, okay, yes and. So, yes, our country is wonderful and it has problems. So what&#8217;s the next thing? What&#8217;s more inclusive? Yes, there are people at all different stages of luck, wealth, development, personal development, spiritual development, economic development, and intellectual development. How do we nudge everybody at their stage of development to the healthiest version of that stage that we can without judging, without condescending, and without rejecting? That&#8217;s the kind of focus that we need as a society to bring us back together. And some of that means we&#8217;ve kind of lost a sense of collective meaning, a collective purpose. There&#8217;s a kind of meaning crisis as we&#8217;ve secularized and everything. And so how do we bring back a sense of meaning? And these are the questions we ought to be really trying to process through rather than getting, I think too much into the weeds of, what do we do with this kind of division and that kind of division and this situation and that situation. It&#8217;s a bigger picture move forward that we ought to be seeking out.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>My thought aligns very closely with Zubin about the fact that we try to have an or, and we need to have an and. I heard a program this morning on the radio comparing the shooters in the most recent tragic events and whether we want to label them having mental health problems. I can&#8217;t imagine taking a high velocity rifle with a lot of ammo and shooting into the crowd and killing a lot of people, particularly killing a lot of children as in any way consistent with mental health. The other point that they all shared was social isolation, and we have a problematic society where people are excluded. And if we ignore that and we don&#8217;t figure out ways to increase community, we&#8217;re going to have more people for whom this seems to be the only way that they can address the pain that they have because they don&#8217;t go to get the care that they should receive personally. But even then they need to be able to build the relationships around them. And it&#8217;s not unexpected that all these shooters are sort of 18 to 21. They&#8217;ve left high school. They&#8217;re not in college. They find themselves really socially isolated from people, from friends, from family, and this is their means of addressing what&#8217;s going on. And that to me, Jeremy is the bigger problem that exists right now. You&#8217;re a historian. If you look at Hamilton versus Jefferson, Hamilton was an individual who very much elevated the elite, and Jefferson was an individual who created and viewed broad community as being vital to a healthy country. And we&#8217;re moving in the opposite direction right now. I think the recent Supreme Court decisions are really problematic. I think basing it upon a world that existed back in 1783 or the whatever year exactly the constitution was put into place, when you had a world with a life expectancy of 35 years, when you had women being seen not just as property, but as the possessions of their husbands, when you had the existence of slavery, all the pieces that existed at the time, and to believe that we could use that as the foundation of modern society, I think the crises that are about to come up are going to be even more problematic than the present. And we need to come to grips with this as a nation, or we&#8217;re going to see even more ongoing deaths, tragedies, ruined families, ruined communities, ruined relationships. So I&#8217;m a very optimistic person, but right now, I think I have as many concerns as hopes for the future.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
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		<title>FHC #57: Dr. Rod Rohrich on how to change the rules of medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/07/03/fhc-57-dr-rod-rohrich/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2022 02:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Rod Rohrich has broken the unwritten rules of medicine across his career. He turned a traditional paper-only, medical journal into a digitized force, full of videos and evidence-based rankings that has become one of the best in the nation. And he revolutionized rhinoplasty surgery and plastic surgical education and training. <span style="text-decoration: line-through;"> </span></p>
<p>Today,<strong> <a href="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrrohrich.com%2Fabout%2F&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7C2e184937cf004e08762c08da5d49c30f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637924868629348396%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=DDFYNt1KbnLkmhyG1QjNahpSBr1L9qeoWnXsArX1p2E%3D&amp;reserved=0">Dr. Rod Rohrich</a> </strong>is one of the most influential plastic surgeons in this century and continues to be voted the best in publications like <em>Newsweek</em>, <em>US News</em> and <em>Harper’s</em>. A proponent of social media as a tool for patient education, he has hundreds of thousands of followers on <strong><a href="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Frod.rohrich%2F%3Fhl%3Den&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7C2e184937cf004e08762c08da5d49c30f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637924868629348396%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=53MXXDYshto8RobsIxbw3HJOMj6fJXl8kCqUwlnCf2E%3D&amp;reserved=0">Instagram</a> </strong>and <strong><a href="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fdrrodrohrich%3Flang%3Den&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7C2e184937cf004e08762c08da5d49c30f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637924868629348396%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=AKNoo5h2%2BQD%2BUCJhnTEfhkDQmOvSdw3v6E6wttSY6Yo%3D&amp;reserved=0">Twitter</a> </strong>and continues to break medicine’s outdated rules.</p>
<p>In this interview, hosts <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact/"><strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong></a>—himself, a reconstructive and plastic surgeon—discuss the lines that need to be crossed to make medicine better for doctors and patients.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Interview Highlights</u></strong></h3>
<h5></h5>
<h5><strong>On how to know when a rule needs breaking </strong></h5>
<p>In medicine, there are so many times we do things that have absolutely no rationale (for) but we&#8217;re told that that&#8217;s how we&#8217;ve always done it. And I was at one of those famous hospitals in Boston where we were told that all the time, and we did it without question. I think we need to now question that and say, &#8220;Is that really the best way to do it, or is there a better way? Is there a simpler way? Is there a best medicine way?&#8221; If it&#8217;s breaking the rules, so be it, but I think it&#8217;s really doing it to get us out of our cages that we&#8217;re in that really impede best care.”</p>
<h5><strong>On tips for using social media </strong></h5>
<p>“You should always be yourself and you should use social media to empower your audience and not to impress them. You should use it to educate them and not to overwhelm them. And I think people appreciate that. Because if you approach social media by educating them about their own health, how they can be better, how can they do things better, how they can find plastic surgery or doctors better, that&#8217;s a good thing.”</p>
<h5><strong>On bringing medical specialties together</strong></h5>
<p>“There was a great chasm between aesthetic surgery and reconstructive surgery for many, many years, and I think that&#8217;s come together in plastic surgery; but then there was even a deeper chasm between our specialty and our sister specialties, from dermatology to facial plastic surgery and otolaryngology, but I think that also has had a coming together. And I really think that social media has played a big part in that, and the ability for leaders to say, ‘Hey, we want to teach people to do the right thing and to provide best care.’ I personally do not care what your background is, I just care about how good you are and how good you can become to do and give great patient outcomes and do patient safety. And I think that hopefully is becoming the bottom line.”</p>
<p><strong style="color: #333333; font-family: Raleway, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 0.9375rem; text-transform: uppercase;">On academia vs. private medical practice</strong></p>
<p>“I think you learn the rigidity of academic medicine and the pros and cons, which are fantastic. When I helped build our incredible plastic security department at UT, it actually taught me the discipline of staying focused because there&#8217;s so many different ways where you can go by the wayside, especially in universities. Because there&#8217;s a lot of barriers to progression and advancement in academics, because there&#8217;s so much bureaucracy, politics, and red tape that are a burden … I think the private sector has been an epiphany for me to say, ‘Wow, I learned all these things in academics, but now I can apply them in the real world without all the impediments.’ So it&#8217;s been a total breath of fresh air.”</p>
<h5><strong>On resisting complacency </strong></h5>
<p>“The worst thing you can do is solve a problem and then say, ‘Oh, we solved it.’ You have to say, ‘We&#8217;ve solved this part of the problem, let&#8217;s see how it works,’ because it&#8217;s not a solution, it&#8217;s always an evolution. That&#8217;s really important, because times change, people change, and the processes change. So I think we need to keep working on it.”</p>
<p><strong style="color: #333333; font-family: Raleway, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 0.9375rem; text-transform: uppercase;">On the next-gen of rule breakers</strong></p>
<p>“I think that today, the Gen Zs and the Millennials, they aren&#8217;t rule followers. They actually like to break the rules. That&#8217;s their norm, which is a good thing, I like that. They challenge us, they want to know what we don&#8217;t know, and I really like that. They challenge us every day to say, ‘Hey, I learn differently. You need to teach me in a different way,’ and I think that&#8217;s good.”</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Rod-Rohrich_Episode-57.pdf">READ: Full transcript with Rod Rohrich</a> </strong></p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>CTT #62: Has the pandemic &#8216;frozen&#8217; kids emotionally, socially?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/06/26/ctt-62-kids-development/</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2022 16:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The <em>New York Times </em>surveyed 362 school counselors on the <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/29/upshot/pandemic-school-counselors.html">effects of the pandemic on children</a>. The results were both predictable and troubling. Not only have kids fallen behind in the basics like reading and math, but counselors also described students as “frozen, socially and emotionally, at the age they were when the pandemic started.”</p>
<p>Nearly all counselors (94%) said students were showing more signs of anxiety and depression than before the pandemic. What can be done about these troubling developments? Are there reasons for optimism in the data? What’s new with vaccine approvals for young children?</p>
<p>Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl examine these questions and many others in this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>. You’ll find all the [time stamped] topics discussed during this show here:</p>
<p><strong>[00:51] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[03:08] </strong>There are new concerns about long-COVID. What have researchers found?</p>
<p><strong>[05:40] </strong>Listener question: “The World Health Organization estimates that 5 times more people have died from Covid-19 in India than reported. Is the same true for Africa?”</p>
<p><strong>[09:16] </strong>Listener question: “I feel fine, but I tested positive for COVID 10 days after coming down with infection. What does this mean?”</p>
<p><strong>[14:35] </strong>Dr. Pearl wrote a recent Forbes article titled “Why Omicron Is About to Make Americans Act Immorally, Inappropriately.” What did he conclude?</p>
<p><strong>[18:27] </strong>Will sporting events and indoor weddings see capacity crowds this fall?</p>
<p><strong>[19:46] </strong>For parents, is there any new research on kids and Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[23:03] </strong>Is a vaccine for Omicron coming soon?</p>
<p><strong>[25:00] </strong>What do we know about other Covid-19 vaccines in the works?</p>
<p><strong>[28:15] </strong>Listener request: “I listened to your show last month about monkeypox and hope you can provide an update during your next show.”</p>
<p><strong>[30:02] </strong>Listener question: “One of your episodes included data about how the U.S. spends so much more on medical care than other nations and yet trails other industrialized countries on all clinical outcomes. But isn’t cancer an exception in America?”</p>
<p><strong>[32:06] </strong>Listener question: “Almost everyone I know has gotten sick with Covid-19 lately. A few of them have been sick for several days, but none of them needed hospitalization or came close to dying. How dangerous is it  to get COVID now?”</p>
<p><strong>[34:12] </strong>Cohost Jeremy Corr’s had a recent experience with Covid-19. What happened?</p>
<p><strong>[35:51] </strong>What’s the big non-Covid-19 news story this month?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast series, “Diving Deep,” features a robust and probing discussion into some of healthcare’s most complex subjects and deep-seated problems.</p>
<p>On today’s episode, Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr dive deep into the unwritten rules of healthcare and American society. Together, they’ll ask the question, “What is it about Omicron that is making Americans act immorally and inappropriately?” They’ll also focus on the hidden causes of outrageously high drug prices.</p>
<p>For more information on these topics, check out Dr. Pearl’s latest healthcare columns on <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/">Forbes</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/breaking-the-healthcare-rules-6886483197157285888/">LinkedIn</a>. For listeners interested in show notes, here’s a time-stamped discussion guide:</p>
<p><strong>WHY OMICRON IS MAKING PEOPLE ACT IMMORALLY</strong></p>
<p><strong>[01:03] </strong>What was the inspiration behind Dr. Pearl’s popular Forbes article “Why Omicron is about to make Americans act immorally, inappropriately,” which was read by nearly half a million people?</p>
<p><strong>[02:40]</strong> Why are people’s behaviors starting to change?</p>
<p><strong>[04:07]</strong> What are “cultural norms” and which ones are changing because of Omicron?</p>
<p><strong>[05:44] </strong>What’s a culturally immoral act today that will be culturally appropriate in the near future?</p>
<p><strong>[07:33] </strong>Are people’s actions really “immoral” or are they to be expected given the nature of the disease?</p>
<p><strong>[09:30] </strong>How do external forces (like the virology of Omicron) change culture and behaviors?</p>
<p><strong>[15:04] </strong>What evidence demonstrates this cultural shift is already under?</p>
<p><strong>THE UNWRITTEN RULE THAT KEEPS DRUG PRICES SO HIGH</strong></p>
<p><strong>[19:31]</strong> Do high-priced drugs in the U.S. overachieve, meet expectations or underachieve for patients?</p>
<p><strong>[20:40] </strong>Do drug makers lack the scientific knowhow to make highly effective drugs?</p>
<p><strong>[22:06] </strong>Why are drug companies so risk averse? Has it always been this way?</p>
<p><strong>[24:30] </strong>When did the unwritten rules of drug-industry profits begin to shift?</p>
<p><strong>[26:24] </strong>Don’t drug companies need high prices to protect R&amp;D investments?</p>
<p><strong>[27:00] </strong>What are examples of high-priced medications that deliver limited or no value for patients?</p>
<p><strong>[30:11] </strong>What’s suspicious about the new FDA-approved breast cancer drug?</p>
<p><strong>[32:50] </strong>Are Covid-19 vaccines an exception to this rule?</p>
<p><strong>[34:09] </strong>Is there more to this rule listeners should know?</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #55: Is it time for doctors to temper their career expectations?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/06/12/fhc-55-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2022 00:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Said ZDoggMD: “Oh, man, OK. You said, hey, let’s do a podcast together, Z. It&#8217;ll be fun, you said. It&#8217;ll be easy. It&#8217;ll be flow. Then you ask a question like this?”   Replied Robert Pearl, MD: “It&#8217;s easy for me to ask the questions, Zubin. That&#8217;s what I meant.”</p>
<p>Welcome to <strong>Unfiltered</strong>, a show that brings together two iconic voices in healthcare for an unscripted, hard-hitting half hour of talk. In this episode, Dr. Pearl wastes no time getting serious with Dr. Damania (ZDoggMD). The two talk about the unseen forces holding healthcare back. These invisible elements including tribalism, bias, fear, inertia, hierarchical struggles and a cowboy culture that all combine to harm patients, increase medical errors and prevent high-functioning teamwork.</p>
<p>A little history on the show: Prior to Unfiltered, <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>had twice appeared on <em>The ZDoggMD Show</em> (see: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgIZ8e4_SDQ">here </a>and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oNUnssjEfs">here</a>) opposite <strong>Dr. Zubin Damania</strong>, who had twice appeared on the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast with Pearl, alongside cohost <strong>Jeremy Corr </strong>(see: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/08/08/episode-1-zdoggmd/">here</a> and <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/10/11/episode-26-zdoggmd-culture/">here</a>).</p>
<p>For more, press play or peruse the transcript below.</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><em><strong>LinkedIn</strong></em></a><em>.</em></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>UNFILTERED TRANSCRIPT</strong></p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>Welcome to Unfiltered, our newest program on our weekly Fixing Healthcare podcast series. Joining us each month as Dr. Zubin Damania, known to many as ZDoggMD. For 25 minutes, he and Robbie will engage in unscripted and hard-hitting conversation about art, politics, entertainment, and much more. As nationally recognized physicians and healthcare policy experts, they&#8217;ll apply the lessons they extract to medical practice. Then I&#8217;ll pose a question for the two of them as a patient based on what I&#8217;ve heard. Robbie, why don&#8217;t you kick it off.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing, Zubin, how fast a month passes. Feels like we just recording last month&#8217;s Unfiltered episode yesterday, and here we are recording the new one.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>The dirty secret, Robbie, that I&#8217;ve learned as I got older is the older you get, the shorter time feels because it&#8217;s a smaller portion of your overall life. For me, it&#8217;s like the days just go click, click, click, click, click, and then we&#8217;re doing another one. It&#8217;s kind of nuts.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a question. When you&#8217;re having fun, time passes rapidly.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, the flow state argument?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yes. There&#8217;s that as well. There&#8217;s that as well.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I thought of you the other day. I was talking with an ER physician and an ER nurse. They were passionate about patient safety and frustrated by how difficult it was to make systemic improvements. They reached out to me wanting my thoughts and advice on how to get people to do what seemed so logical: save lives. They pointed out the extensive research that had been done on the topic of safety, going all the way back to Ralph Nader, the car industry, aviation history. I acknowledged the frustration they felt. I talked with them about a personal experience. Chronicles my first book, Mistreated, about my father&#8217;s premature death from preventable medical error. I offered my view that when logical things don&#8217;t happen, like systemic improvements for patient safety, there&#8217;s always another factor, one that&#8217;s either not visible or not being considered. I said that based on my experience, you can&#8217;t solve the problem staring you in the face without bringing the other one out from the shadow and addressing it. If it&#8217;s okay with you, Zubin, I&#8217;d like to learn from your insights about what&#8217;s not being seen or said about a few of these seemingly obvious opportunities. Let&#8217;s start with patient safety. Over 200,000 people die every year from medical error. Research shows that most result from a combination of systemic problems and a failure of people to follow evidence-based approaches. Seems like a no-brainer to me to follow the experts. What&#8217;s not being recognized when it comes to patient safety?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, man. Okay. &#8220;Hey, let&#8217;s do a podcast together, Z. It&#8217;ll be fun,&#8221; you said. &#8220;It&#8217;ll be easy. It&#8217;ll be flow.&#8221; Then you ask a question like this.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy for me to ask the questions, Zubin. That&#8217;s what I meant.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I know. This is a question that I wrangle with almost every day, especially since my father is in and out of the hospitals these days. I&#8217;m always terrified because I know all the statistics you just said apply, and it&#8217;s not one of those vague things. They apply personally. You told your story about your father. I was there at Stanford, I think, when your father was there. Let&#8217;s speak about it honestly. A lot of it that&#8217;s unspoken is the shadow culture of medicine, I think, that really, it&#8217;s inertia-driven. We are fear-based, so errors of omission are actually punished or are considered more powerfully than errors of commission. What we fail to do is actually, we worry more about malpractice than what we actually do, so we tend to do a lot of stuff. Each thing tends to have its own downside, including a certain level of unnecessary testing and screening and treatment that has consequences. Iatrogenic, the physician-caused, medical system-caused consequences. But we&#8217;re acculturated to actually do things to people to some degree, to avoid getting in trouble for the opposite, which is failing to do something, failing to do the scan, failing to do the procedure that actually, it may have been better not to do. In the house of God, Sam Shem says, &#8220;One of the rules of the house of God is, do as much of nothing as possible.&#8221; I think there&#8217;s that cultural component, but then there&#8217;s the autonomy component where I think many people in healthcare don&#8217;t want to be part, or they want the support of a system, but they don&#8217;t want any infringement on their perception of autonomy. If you&#8217;re doing a root cause analysis or you&#8217;re going through a just culture algorithm for dealing with patient safety, I think some physicians feel like, &#8220;Well, they&#8217;re telling me how to practice. This is stepping on my autonomy and they are bureaucrats doing this.&#8221; To some degree, maybe that&#8217;s true in certain settings. But in others, this idea of a systemic, thoughtful and somewhat algorithmic, meaning there are some algorithms that actually are shown, hey, you just got to go through a checklist when you&#8217;re flying a plane. Why wouldn&#8217;t you go through a checklist in the OR? Why wouldn&#8217;t you make sure you&#8217;re not operating on the wrong side? All these other things. But we resisted as a culture, the culture of cowboy autonomy. The culture of individuality has been ingrained into medical training. Then the fear-based stuff, really, I think prompts us to do things to people that probably result in harm just in and of itself. That&#8217;s just a tip of the iceberg, I think, in terms of patient safety.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Let me ask you about another area that I know is very close to your heart, and this is about high-functioning teams. We live in an era where medicine is complex. Patients often have multiple chronic diseases. You can&#8217;t achieve the best outcomes as lone cowboys and cowgirls, you just said, and yet rarely do we put in place highly effective, highly functioning teams. What&#8217;s not being said that&#8217;s getting in the way?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think again, it is we&#8217;re conditioned as these hierarchical agents in healthcare, that a team is another way of either saying, I&#8217;m the boss and you guys are going to listen to me, you&#8217;re my support. Or they&#8217;re trying to usurp my autonomy by giving me this &#8220;team&#8221;. I think that&#8217;s some subtext to it, not always. Again, we&#8217;re conditioned not to like our autonomy taken away. The other problem is I think we don&#8217;t allow people on the teams to really practice at the full extent of their abilities, with the support of the team. We give them these pigeonholed roles and that makes it difficult. Then we don&#8217;t have a culture that really elucidates the brilliance of a team as well. It&#8217;s still a lone wolf culture, but then we go, &#8220;Oh, but there&#8217;s a team.&#8221; Then it becomes a dominator hierarchy where there&#8217;s somebody who is the boss on the team and everybody else is just doing scat. That&#8217;s one outcome that can happen. We haven&#8217;t actualized team-based care. The real team-based care is everybody&#8217;s living their most actualized piece and it&#8217;s self-managing and self-governing. At our clinic, our team, there&#8217;d be a different member of the team that would lead the huddle every day, and that could have been a health coach with no formal medical training that was trained on the job or hired for certain attributes, and then allowed to use those in service of the team. It was a growth hierarchy that we were trying to build there, but it involves culture shift, training shift, system shift, technology shift. Why shouldn&#8217;t you be able to all write in the same note in the EHR at the same time? That was something that we explored when we were building our technology.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>All right. One more. How about the disparities and health outcomes based upon race? We certainly know they exist, but we don&#8217;t seem to be making any progress. What&#8217;s not being said here?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh. Oh, man. You make it so easy, Robbie, so easy to hurt yourself. Really, would you hit those hard topics that are difficult? Again, there are so many people who can weigh in on this, and I&#8217;ve interviewed people like Ian Tong, Black doctor, and his perspective was very, very valuable in helping me understand it a little better. But yes, there&#8217;s unconscious bias. Yes, we use heuristics in medicine that are often unconscious, sometimes they&#8217;re conscious, to pigeonhole patients quickly. Could race be a part of that, that could then lead to unequal outcomes? Sure. But I think actually, there&#8217;s also the component of yet we don&#8217;t have enough minority physicians, physicians from different socioeconomic backgrounds that take care of patients, because that seems to be associated with better outcomes because there&#8217;s more understanding of the community. The way we tried to hack that problem is we would get health coaches who were drawn from the community they served, and often were in the same socioeconomic status as a lot of the patients we were taking care of. That helped a lot because they were developing these trusting relationships and really understanding the patients. Not just the social determinants of health, but what their goals and hopes and aspirations were, so that we could tailor care. But then there&#8217;s the bigger elephant in the room, which is we are dealing with the societal issue of inequity that has been generations in the making. It falls on the healthcare doorstep to say, &#8220;Hey, fix this problem.&#8221; But the truth is, this is a massive problem that comes from cycles of violence in communities of color and poverty. All the things we reduce to social determinants of health are actually incredibly nuanced and complicated things that don&#8217;t have a simple, let&#8217;s have a quality of outcomes answer, and even a quality of opportunity. How do you accomplish that? Even in medical admissions, how do you accomplish that? That&#8217;s where again, the further we get out from the original sin, say of slavery say, the further we get out from that, the more we have to think. Okay. We need to start to wake up in a broader way that changes society, that then will ripple through healthcare. But again, those things that are our direct purview, we need to address, but it&#8217;s hard.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s shift a little bit. Did you have a chance to read the report by the Surgeon General on burnout this week?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Well, I just got to say one thing. I love it. You throw this on my lap, I answer the question in a hand-waving way, and then you&#8217;re like okay, moving on. I&#8217;m like, &#8220;What about you, Robbie? What do you think about it?&#8221; Because I know. I&#8217;ve read your books. You think about this stuff clearly. But all right. All right.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>No, I will answer you. To me, there&#8217;s a lot of unspoken things. I think each of these types of problems exist, and I think that there&#8217;s a level in which, and I will even say the majority of people have call it implicit bias, call it acting in racist kind of ways. They&#8217;re not consciously racist, but I think they make those decisions and they have trouble seeing that in the mirror. It&#8217;s uncomfortable, and that&#8217;s why I always bring up these issues. Because as long as we want to say that racism as an example, doesn&#8217;t exist, then we&#8217;ll talk about the problems, but we won&#8217;t solve it. To me, you look at the issue of gun violence. What do the gun proponents want to say? It&#8217;s all about mental health. Well, it&#8217;s not. But why do they say that? Because they can&#8217;t win the argument about keeping high-firing, multiple-round guns out of the hands of 18-year-olds who are socially isolated in high school. And the consequences are predictable. But if you don&#8217;t want to talk about the problem, you find someplace else to focus and you dismiss it. That&#8217;s who I see again and again in medicine. If we just look at this question, why don&#8217;t we have high-functioning teams, it&#8217;s what you said. Because people like their place in the hierarchy and they&#8217;re not about to give it up. On the other side, the question&#8217;s really going to be, how do you create a high-functioning, equal team of people with different levels of expertise and experience?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>This is the kind of questions we never address. My frustration, why I write the books, why I have the podcasts is for all of the time we talk about these things, when I measure progress, it&#8217;s in inches. It&#8217;s not in miles and hundreds of miles that we should be going. I look at the outcomes in medicine. What are we seeing? We&#8217;re twice as expensive as any other country in the world and our outcomes are lagging. I just can&#8217;t believe I look at data on maternal mortality and I see it&#8217;s four times higher than other countries. It just jumps out at me, and that&#8217;s again, why gun violence to me is another example of that. Look how many more guns we have in the United States. Look how many more people are getting killed. I think other countries have some mental health problems, too. So, why don&#8217;t they have the same level of difficulty? If it&#8217;s not the guns, what is it? It&#8217;s somehow sitting in the political process that we have. You&#8217;re hearing me just being frustrated by the slowness of change and the waste of human existence.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>What you&#8217;re pointing at is repression and denial, and projection and all. It always comes back to us. It always comes back to the human at hand. Personal growth, we&#8217;re avoiding that. When you talk about implicit bias, for example, yes, of course, of course, of course. You know how we know this is true? Because all of us have it. If you actually introspect, you&#8217;ll see it arise, and instead of acting on it unconsciously and automatically, you&#8217;ll actually go, &#8220;Oh, wow. Well, there&#8217;s a little bias. Let me think about that and act more responsibly.&#8221; But it requires introspection. It requires looking at these difficult things, whether it&#8217;s guns, whether it&#8217;s race, and that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s so uncomfortable. We feel it. Even talking about it, it&#8217;s like, oh, I get a little constricted because you&#8217;re feeling your own stuff and you&#8217;re going, &#8220;Ooh, am I missing something in myself?&#8221; That&#8217;s why we got to have these conversations, brother. I ditched your question on the burnout thing because I haven&#8217;t read the report. So fill me in.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>He pointed out, as we all know, that it is a major problem. I don&#8217;t want to say he underestimated. I just don&#8217;t think he detailed it as much as he should. He talked about a variety of things. He said, there&#8217;s a need for living wage and paid sick time and family leave, evaluation of workloads and staffing, which is all true. He talked about reducing the documentation and other administrative burdens for healthcare workers. He talked about the need to have mental health support. He talked about the opportunity to protect healthcare workers from violence and unsafe conditions. He talked about a lot of the problems that clearly exist, we know exist, and people would like to see changed. But I raised the issue, Zubin, because again, when I look at burnout, I don&#8217;t know how long it&#8217;s been, at least a decade we&#8217;ve been talking about this. I don&#8217;t know about you, but I don&#8217;t see that things are very much better today than they were five years ago. The question I have is, if it&#8217;s not much better now than five years ago, why do we really think it&#8217;s going to be any different five or 10 years from now? Why are we paying that price? But more importantly, what can we do to avoid having to experience both the lack of fulfillment, the fatigue, the moral injury, and the implications for both doctors and for patients?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I agree. It&#8217;s only gotten worse, and the pandemic&#8217;s only made it worse. You talk about the Great Resignation and people are just waking up to, is this really what I want to do with my life? Was this the calling I felt it was? I think what you&#8217;re pointing at is a fundamental &#8230; There&#8217;s a few issues, and you&#8217;ve brought up some of these in your books too, which is one of the issues is physicians in particular, they have a certain idea of what this thing was supposed to be and then they&#8217;re met with this kind of 2.0 version, which is mechanized and bureaucratized. There&#8217;s this administrative technocracy that seems to run it. It&#8217;s so discordant with what their image was and their own self-image of the cowboy doctor, that it creates this tension. But that&#8217;s a part of it. Obviously, it&#8217;s all those things. What&#8217;s required is a dramatic, and again, you said things are measured in inches, not miles. That may be true, but at some point, there&#8217;s a phase shift that happens where we just go, &#8220;Oh wait. Wait. Wait. We&#8217;ve seen some bright spots here. We know where this works there. They&#8217;re emerging in fits and starts.&#8221; Maybe well-resourced, team-driven, primary care that gives you the tools, the teams, and the trust to do your job, and actually systems that support that and a slow but steady culture shift towards this kind of team-based care, maybe that. Then we train our medical students like, &#8220;Hey, this is how it&#8217;s going to be&#8221;, so expectations and competencies are matched to what the actual system is going to be. Then we might start to see a shift. When you talk about teams, that&#8217;s when you start pulling in nurses and pharmacists and respiratory therapists, and everybody else on the team that has been suffering as well. Then look for bright spots within medicine. Who are the specialties and aspects of medicine where the self-reported signs of emotional exhaustion and cynicism and depersonalization, all the burnout, end-stage moral injury stuff, where&#8217;s that the least and what can we learn from what&#8217;s going on there? It&#8217;s a multi-factoral thing. I&#8217;m glad Vivek is talking about it. Vivek is such a compassionate, thoughtful guy, but again, it&#8217;s like we can list out the problems and knowing the problem is half the battle. But what&#8217;s the next step? We really have to start actualizing this stuff.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Let me ask a, I&#8217;ll say uncomfortable question, which is-</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, you haven&#8217;t asked any of those so far, Robbie. This isn&#8217;t-</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>No, this is more so, Zubin, because I sometimes ask myself the following question. In the current world, a world that is the way it should be, with often two people working, I think you said last time that your wife&#8217;s a physician, is work-life balance possible without some kind of personal sacrifice being put into play?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Ooh, and this is such a complicated issue because there are gender dynamics here. There&#8217;s socioeconomic dynamics, there&#8217;s race dynamics. But to put it as simply as possible, I think my late friend, Tony Hsieh, used to say, &#8220;There&#8217;s work-life balance and then there&#8217;s life.&#8221; If life is your thing, where everything is part of your life, then there&#8217;s not work and life. There&#8217;s just life, which means you better start to, first of all, understand that what you&#8217;re doing at work is an authentic expression of you, and figure out ways to integrate it into life and make it life itself. That could fly in certain industries very easily, but in medicine, we&#8217;re expected to do all these things, be heroic, especially women, and then come home and manage the kids, and come home to take them to soccer practice. Or if we have to hire someone to do that, then we have to work more shifts. We can&#8217;t go down to part-time to do those things, because then we can&#8217;t pay the nanny. Sounds like first-world problems until you experience them, and then you realize that man, this is as stressful and unhappiness generating. Then you look at the person living in a slum in Mumbai and you measure their subjective happiness and they&#8217;re happier, because they have community, they have support, they have some sense of higher purpose, even though they&#8217;re in economic squalor by our standards. Why is it that Americans seem just generally less happy? Well, because I think we fragment our psyche into this is work, this is home, this is responsibility and so on. Then we don&#8217;t have the social structures. We don&#8217;t have proper maternity leave, availability to breastfeed, paternity leave that some of the European nations have. We have the lowest ratio of doctors per capita, practically in the developed world, I think short off South Korea. We wonder why workloads are so high and we have a nursing shortage. Those are just the tip of the iceberg. I&#8217;m curious what you think, Robbie, because you&#8217;ve had to deal with this for so many decades as leader of such a large organization.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m focusing a lot on what&#8217;s not being said or not being, to use the word which you said earlier, that we&#8217;re denying. If I said to you, &#8220;Zubin, what&#8217;s it like for you to work full-time,&#8221; you describe a very fulfilling career, full-time with a certain amount of money that you&#8217;re earning, and I said to your wife, &#8220;Okay, you tell me what a full career for you,&#8221; she describes the same thing, and they&#8217;re both accurate, they&#8217;re both wonderful. Now, I say, is it possible to take these two pieces and have them coexist simultaneously? My conclusion is it may not be possible that someone&#8217;s going to pay both of you to be able to do that in a context where you&#8217;re going to have work-life balance. It may turn out that you both have to cut back on your both professional and economic expectations, and gain from it the fact that now you&#8217;ll have more time with your family, with your kids in your interpersonal life. You may not need the same size house. You may not have some of the other accoutrements of life. I don&#8217;t know where that would come, but we built professional expectations on the last generation, where you had one person working and not the other person working, and the dollars were adequate to support that family but it wasn&#8217;t a life in terms of possessions as we have today. I just wonder whether the societal expectations have exceeded the reality. All you have to do is look at the stock market these days to see that rebalancing that&#8217;s going on&#8211;on its own, and I just wonder whether that is what&#8217;s not being talked about in medicine.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Ah. Once again, you&#8217;re pointing inward. You&#8217;re saying, what is it we value? What&#8217;s self-actualization? Is it acquisitions? Is it material wealth? Is it this socially validated esteem that we have from driving a Mercedes G-Wagon and so on and so forth? Or could we get away with the Camry, upgrade it to a hybrid, get a faux leather interior and be happy with a family life that&#8217;s more balanced? Again, with me and my wife, we&#8217;ve had to alternate the sacrifices. You asked about sacrifice. We&#8217;ve had to alternate. For years, I was a full-time hospitalist while she went back and trained because she had done internal medicine, board certified and realized this is not my calling. She realized it late, and that she was going by societal expectations or parents&#8217; expectation. Then she went back and said, &#8220;I need to do radiology.&#8221; That&#8217;s another four years of training where I&#8217;m making 30 grand a year. I said, &#8220;Well, let me go ahead and work full-time, even though I don&#8217;t know that this is exactly the right path.&#8221; I did that. Then we shifted. We said, okay, now she wants to do more of the career building, and let me then do a career where I have more time to help with the kids to do these kind of things to be present. It is this kind of give and take, and you do have to understand what you value it. Now, if I was going by societal roles and this kind of thing, no, I have to be the co-breadwinner, at least, if not in a chauvinistic way, the guy who makes the most and does all of this. Then you&#8217;re trapped. Then of course, there&#8217;s going to be unhappiness and that mismatches your expectations. I&#8217;m with you, brother.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you ever listen to Laurie Santos. She&#8217;s the Professor from Yale who runs the course on happiness that one-fourth of Yale students take. It&#8217;s the most popular course at the entire university and it&#8217;s available online for anyone who wants to do it. But she talks a lot about the way that we misinterpret and misanticipate happiness. One of the pieces that I was listening to the other day is she talked about the research that says there&#8217;s a level, and the level is somewhere between 100 and $200,000, beyond which there is not a single shred of evidence that more money adds happiness.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yes. Yes.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Yet, as a physician, I don&#8217;t think any of us see that as a landing spot for us in our family.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Especially if you live in a high-cost area. Then the truth is many physicians gravitate to these things and we start to accelerate our spending, and our outflows become so high that we&#8217;re goldenly handcuffed to a career path of FTE and workload that is unsustainable. It&#8217;s not what we wanted. Again, we think we&#8217;re chasing happiness. We&#8217;re not. I think that requires a reality check, a gut check. I think people are waking up more though. I think the next generation is changing its expectations. They&#8217;ll complain and they&#8217;ll say we have lesser quality of living, standard living than our parents for the first time. But to some extent, that&#8217;s an opportunity to go, what does that mean? What should you be doing with that extra time and space? Are there self-actualization things you can do that&#8217;ll lead to more happiness, family connections, relationships, et cetera?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I think in our next conversation, I want to talk a lot more about some of these psychological areas, but let me raise one right now. Again, these are the things I&#8217;m thinking about a lot, which is that the research is very clear that gratitude and generosity are two of the best ways to maximize happiness, your own happiness. In fact, there&#8217;s a lot of data that says, if you give someone $20, as opposed to getting $20, you actually experience a lot more happiness, fulfillment, and joy in your life than whatever you&#8217;re going to do with the $20 that you receive. I don&#8217;t know, in medicine today, how much gratitude and generosity exists. I think there&#8217;s problems. There are reasons why it might not exist. But again, I&#8217;m just wondering whether we trip over our own feet in trying to get what we think we want, but in the process, actually rob ourselves of what we could have.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. There&#8217;s no doubt that&#8217;s true. Just to some extent, the term mindfulness is misused. It really means remembering. At any moment that you&#8217;re mindful, you&#8217;re remembering what&#8217;s actually true in this moment, and gratitude is a powerful part of mindfulness because you remember how incredibly lucky you are, how much you&#8217;ve been given, how many mentors you&#8217;ve had, how many opportunities you&#8217;ve had that have led you to this part of your career in medicine. That mindfulness, that remembering can center you right in this glow of gratitude that reminds you of the compassion that was given to you. Then it comes out of you. It really is a powerful practice, and more and more doctors are actually, I think, waking up to this. I hear them talking about it more, these kind of practices, so that&#8217;s a good sign.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want any of our listeners to think that in any way, I&#8217;m trying to minimize the problems that exist, and recognize the economic challenges people have or the bureaucratic tests that they have. Again, I&#8217;m always looking to say, is there a crack in the wall that is being missed? That maybe if we focused on that along with rebuilding the rest of the wall, we would end up being more fulfilled. I would also say, and I often think back to Kübler-Ross and the idea of acceptance, that if the reality is that we&#8217;re not going to be able to get the changes that would be optimal, that maybe we should get, that maybe we&#8217;re entitled to, but we&#8217;re not going to get it, what are we then going to do? How can we add joy and fulfillment into medical practice that maybe today we&#8217;re taking away? I know there&#8217;s a lot of fear that if in any way we acknowledge that somehow we&#8217;re not the victim, that people will not give us what we want. My observation is they&#8217;re not giving us what we want right now, so let&#8217;s look at these opportunities, whether through mindfulness or whatever other practices it&#8217;s going to be, creating these high-functioning teams, even if it means a little bit less respect, seeing patients in a different kind of way, all the parts that we&#8217;ve talked about. Is there a way that we can uncover some of these unspoken aspects, have the conversations and come out of it, maybe not as great as we would like, but far better than today?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>You&#8217;ve said it perfectly, and the truth is it comes back. I keep bringing it right back to the self, the personal development. I&#8217;ll take it one step further and say, by doing those practices, you&#8217;re not giving up on the fight for all the things you talked about or fixing the system. What you&#8217;re doing is you&#8217;re enabling yourself to emerge a better system, because when enough people do that, they wake up themselves. Then actually the system starts to transform. In many ways, the system I think, and this is speaking kind of metaphysically, but also I think there&#8217;s truth here, the system is an emergent property of us. If we&#8217;re a mess in that way, then our system is a mess and it feeds back. What if we start to change ourselves? Well, our system will change, and maybe that&#8217;s why we&#8217;re at an impasse, Robbie. Maybe that&#8217;s why it feels so intractable. It&#8217;s always darkest before a phase shift, before you wake up. That&#8217;s when it&#8217;s darkest, and I feel like we got to talk more about those unspoken things that you&#8217;re pointing at.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m a big believer as you know that the first thing we must do, if we want to address the panoply of challenges that we have, is move from fee-for-service to capitation. Then in that process of doing that, we now can create the dollars and the resources to fund the things that need to happen. We can pull out those bureaucratic tasks. We can find opportunities to gain purpose, by being able to make the lives of people easier and better. And that standing in our way is this fee-for-service system that as you say, makes us run faster and faster and faster on a treadmill to generate more and more dollars. The insurance companies fight back by trying to limit what we do, because they can&#8217;t afford the dollars. The purchasers get somewhere in the middle of the battle, and in the end, as I say, a lot of smoke and very little actual change.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yep. That&#8217;s it. Our incentives matter. But again, I&#8217;ll bring it right back to us. Our incentives are an epiphenomenon of what we think we want. Fee-for-service is a lucrative, lucrative kind of like a carrot dangling there. Oh, if I just see more, if I do more, if I bill more, if I code more, I can get that Mercedes G-Wagon, which I&#8217;m expected to have, or whatever it is. We have to change, too. We have to change. In Europe, the doctors get paid less, but there are more of them so it&#8217;s a different balance. I don&#8217;t think any system&#8217;s gotten it perfect, so we learn what we can and then look for that phase shift in our own awareness.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>You said it perfectly. I can&#8217;t wait for our next conversation.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Hey, me too, man. This is intense and fun.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>Earlier, when you were talking about implicit bias, it made me think about a conversation I recently had with a couple of people who were upper-class, educated, East Coast liberals. It made me think about this. The nation is doing a lot now to address the inequities in minority communities. However, one of the things that I think has frustrated many in the rural communities, such as where I grew up, is how they feel as though there&#8217;s still a significant bias against them. They feel frustrated because they&#8217;re called deplorables or rednecks because they&#8217;re poor people from rural America with conservative values. It&#8217;s very frustrating to someone who grew up in a dying small town as the generational family farms are being lost to corporate farms and the downtown is dying to Walmart, maybe there might be a factory too in town or whatever. But you have somebody who maybe grew up with a meth addicted or alcoholic mom, an absent father who lives in a trailer park, yet they&#8217;re told they have white privilege just because of the color of their skin, in spite of growing up in very tragic circumstances, just like someone in a poor urban minority community. Many of these people feel like there&#8217;s a lot of implicit bias against them, and that&#8217;s the only kind of bias that is now still socially acceptable. They feel like their communities are often forgot about by the government and they&#8217;re spit on and laughed at by what they consider to be the coastal elites. As two Ivy League educated people on the coasts, I&#8217;m curious what you think about this.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, man. This is something that I talk about on my show a lot, because I actually grew up in rural Central California and I came from that community. It&#8217;s funny. I&#8217;d add another component into that. People who are obese get the same kind of discrimination still. It&#8217;s still okay to discriminate against the obese. This is my take on this is yes, this is a real phenomenon, at least at the level of the perception of the community in question. And so it becomes real. As a result yeah, that&#8217;s going to actually perpetuate further disparities, socioeconomic disparities. It&#8217;s also going to change politics in this country because with the electoral map, those communities have a lot of power too. We ought to be unfolding, especially in communities that value these progressive values, they should say, well, all right, one of the progressive values is inclusion, love, compassion, and understanding. So, why don&#8217;t we understand the moral palettes that folks that come from these communities have? And they&#8217;re powerful. When we travel around the country doing talks and stuff, when I go to rural Texas or Idaho or somewhere like that, I&#8217;m just struck by the warmth and the compassion. Yeah. These are very conservative politics. Okay. What is it about the environment and the community that makes that adaptive? Trying to understand that so then we can come up with compromises, allow a lot of local stuff to be hashed out at a local level and so on. It&#8217;s just even being aware of it, instead of the blindness that we show so often on all sides of this. A conservative in one of those communities would not understand a highly progressive San Francisco native, unless they&#8217;re opening lines of dialogue and understanding that they have common, actual, moral reasoning.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>My view, Jeremy, is that tribalism is built into human genetics. It&#8217;s the way you survived 20,000 years ago. You could never survive as an individual. But it was all within the people living in your set of caves, and that tribalism rears its head anytime a society or a group in that society is dropping. You see it come up in times of economic challenge, and that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re in right now. You see it come up in times of winners and losers, and that&#8217;s what we have right now. What you&#8217;re describing is a particular tribe, or two tribes. You can talk about it as an urban East and West Coast tribe, begins the Central part of the country tribe. You can talk about it in terms of race. You can talk about it in terms of religion. You can talk about it in a lot of different ways, and my own bias about what&#8217;s not being said is how the United States as a nation is slowly dropping from the dominance that it had in the past. Sir Michael Marmot, who&#8217;s a sociologist in England that I respect a lot, has written and talked about how what you experience when your status, when your hierarchy, when your position in whatever&#8217;s going to be, your local community, the nation, the world, starts to diminish, is when you become dissatisfied, unfulfilled, fatigued. In many ways, it&#8217;s the same symptoms that we have as burnout, and I think that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re seeing in the United States today.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Instead of people coming together, as Zubin has talked about, to create a better future, they prefer to focus on someone else&#8217;s being the problem, the so-called classical scapegoat mentality, and feel like they&#8217;re getting left behind. Have we left rural America behind? Absolutely. They don&#8217;t have access to broadband. They don&#8217;t have the economic jobs that are in place. They&#8217;re working hard in the fields far longer than people in other places are working in industries that add no value and put no food on the table, and they&#8217;re not making much money. You can apply the same mindset inside of medicine. You can apply it as I say, to almost everything in our country, race being a classic example, but it&#8217;s far more than that. Education. As Zubin said, the people in the center part of the country, what do they value? Because culture is about what you value and you believe. They value family. What do the people on the coast tend to value? They tend to value education, jobs, titles. You come to the coast, the first question you get asked is, what do you do for a living? You go to the middle of the country, what do you first get asked? Tell me about your family. Tell me about your kids. Tell me about your relationships. It&#8217;s just different values. From my perspective, they&#8217;re both important. But that&#8217;s not the way it plays through. As I say, in a time of economic difficulty, there&#8217;s an expression someone once told me, &#8220;As the pie gets smaller, the manners deteriorate.&#8221; I think we&#8217;re seeing a lot of lack of manners, a lot of lack of civility, and my concern is it&#8217;s going to get worse before it gets better.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Author and historian <a href="https://drlindseyfitzharris.com/"><strong>Dr. Lindsey Fitzharris</strong></a> is fascinated with medicine’s grisly past and the extraordinary physicians who changed the profession by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/6886483197157285888/"><strong>breaking the rules</strong></a>.</p>
<p>One of those rule-breaking doctors of yore is the protagonist of her newest book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Facemaker-Visionary-Surgeons-Disfigured-Soldiers/dp/0374282307/"><em><strong>The Facemaker: A Visionary Surgeon’s Battle to Mend the Disfigured Soldiers of World War I</strong></em></a> (available June 7). In it, Dr. Fitzharris tells the riveting and true tale of <strong>Sir Harold Gillies</strong>, a pioneering reconstructive and plastic surgeon.</p>
<p>Set against the backdrop of the first World War, the book takes place in a time when military technology was radically outpacing the science of medicine. The machines of war were ravaging human bodies. And so, Gillies, a Cambridge-educated New Zealander, dedicated his career to picking up the pieces, rebuilding the broken and burned faces of frontline heroes. Along the way, the surgeon didn’t just break the rules of medicine. He rewrote them.</p>
<p>This interview, the first since the book’s publication, pairs Fitzharris with hosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong>—the latter is, himself, a reconstructive and plastic surgeon who has published two highly acclaimed books on medicine.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Interview Highlights</u></strong></h3>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h5><strong>On plastic surgery 100+ years ago </strong></h5>
<p>“It wasn&#8217;t really until the First World War that there was this huge need suddenly for facial reconstruction. And that had to do with the brutality and savagery of this kind of war. This was a time when losing a limb made you a hero, but losing a face made you a monster to a society that was largely intolerant of facial differences. So Gillies really filled in there to help these men, and to mend their faces and their broken spirits.”</p>
<h5><strong>On advances in war vs. advances in medicine</strong></h5>
<p>“[There were] so many advances in weaponry at this time that a company of just 300 men in 1914 could deploy equivalent fire power to a 60,000 strong army during the Napoleonic war. You have the invention of the flame thrower, the invention of tanks. You have chemical warfare at this time. So really the medical community was just playing catch up when all of this began. And there was this huge need to figure out how to mend these broken bodies.”</p>
<h5><strong>On what made Gillies unique among his surgical peers</strong></h5>
<p>“Harold Gillies, what is extraordinary about him is that he&#8217;s a very creative individual. He&#8217;s one of those annoying people that&#8217;s good at everything he does. He&#8217;s a competent artist. He&#8217;s a great sportsman. And that creative aspect to his personality served him very well going into reconstructive surgery. He&#8217;s also very collaborative. He&#8217;s willing to work with other technicians and practitioners at this time.”</p>
<h5><strong>On Gillies’ ethical conflict as a wartime doctor</strong></h5>
<p>“One of the terrible tensions for Gillies in World War I was the fact that he had a duty to his patients, but he also had a duty to the army. And so, in some instances, I&#8217;m sure he would&#8217;ve wanted to continue working on the reconstructive process, but perhaps the function had been returned to the face. And the feeling was that the man could be returned back to the trenches. And I think that was a really heartbreaking tension that played out throughout the war for him.”</p>
<h5><strong>On staying positive in terrible circumstances</strong></h5>
<p>“Gillies&#8217; attitude, this positive attitude, and the way he could look at the humorous side of things, really served him well because he had such a heavy burden on his shoulders. If you imagine the psychological damage as well to these men coming into the hospital, I think he was really able to nurse them in many ways, not just fixing their faces, but he was able to fix their spirits.”</p>
<h5><strong>On what connects history’s greatest rulebreakers </strong></h5>
<p>“I think that the biggest trait is perseverance. When you look at Joseph Lister, he could have given up quite easily in the face of the pushback because he received enormous pushback when he started to champion germ theory … And it was a huge leap of faith, but he persevered. Also with Gillies after the war, he could have just given up and gone back to his old practice … But he really believed that what he was doing was transformative, that it was important, that it would serve humanity beyond the war.”</p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Lindsey-Fitzharris_Episode-52.pdf"><strong>READ: Full transcript with Lindsey Fitzharris</strong></a></p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>CTT #61: Is the Covid-19 pandemic over? Is a monkeypox pandemic next?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/05/30/ctt-61-monkeypox/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2022 02:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>About a month ago, Dr. Anthony Fauci said that the United States is “out of the pandemic phase,” but he later clarified that the country is, “out of the full-blown explosive pandemic phase.” Americans are decreasingly concerned about the distinction, as only 9% believe Covid-19 still represents “a serious crisis.” What’s the official status of the Covid-19 pandemic now?</p>
<p>Meanwhile, several listeners wrote into the show with concerns about a recent outbreak of monkeypox, with 10 cases now confirmed in the United States and hundreds in Europe. The W.H.O. warns it could be just “the peak of the iceberg.” Is a new pandemic coming?</p>
<p>Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl examine these questions and many others in this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>. You’ll find all the [time stamped] topics discussed during this show here:</p>
<p><strong>[00:49] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[04:45] </strong>Worldwide Covid-19 deaths have surpassed 15 million. Why?</p>
<p><strong>[06:36] </strong>Looking at China: What went wrong?</p>
<p><strong>[08:37] </strong>What is the U.S. doing about the global toll of Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[09:55] Is the Covid-19 pandemic over yet or not? </strong></p>
<p><strong>[15:11] </strong>What should parents know about Covid-19 now?</p>
<p><strong>[17:46] </strong>Does Paxlovid (the new oral medication) eradicate the Covid-19 disease?</p>
<p><strong>[20:22] </strong>Will unvaccinated people take Covid-19 medications once infected?</p>
<p><strong>[21:34] </strong>Based on new research, how many Americans would have lived if all were vaccinated?</p>
<p><strong>[23:38] </strong>Is it safer to host a small indoor event or a large outdoor one?</p>
<p><strong>[25:49] Listener question: <em>Is monkey pox like COVID? Should I be worried? </em></strong></p>
<p><strong>[28:16] </strong>For immunity, is Covid-19 infection ever better than vaccination?</p>
<p><strong>[32:37] </strong>What’s the big non-Covid story in healthcare this month?</p>
<p><strong>[34:25] </strong>Will the government try to drive lower prices and greater healthcare access?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
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		<title>FHC #53: Diving deep into physician burnout and America’s views on Covid-19</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/05/22/fhc-53-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2022 16:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back to the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> series, “Diving Deep,” which features a robust and probing discussion into some of healthcare’s most complex subjects and deep-seated problems.</p>
<p>In this episode, Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr dive deep into the unwritten rules of healthcare, which have long dictated for doctors and patients “the right way to act.” This installment focuses on the hidden causes of physician burnout and the growing divide between the CDC and public sentiment when it comes to dealing with Covid-19.</p>
<p>For more information on these topics, check out Dr. Pearl’s latest healthcare columns on <strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/">Forbes</a> </strong>and <strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/breaking-the-healthcare-rules-6886483197157285888/">LinkedIn</a></strong>. For listeners interested in show notes, here’s a time-stamped discussion guide:</p>
<h5><strong>On physician burnout </strong></h5>
<p><strong>[01:00]</strong> What was the most surprising insight from the 2022 Medscape survey on physician burnout?</p>
<p><strong>[03:46] </strong>Beyond the stress of treating Covid patients, how do doctors explain their burnout?</p>
<p><strong>[05:12] </strong>What then explains the significant uptick in burnout for OB/GYNs and pediatricians?</p>
<p><strong>[06:44] </strong>How do burnout rates compare between men and women physicians?</p>
<p><strong>[09:19] </strong>Studies show that work-related stress impacts a doctor’s personal life, but do problems at home spill over into a doctor’s job performance or feelings at work?</p>
<p><strong>[13:58] </strong>What solutions might address the hidden causes of physician burnout?</p>
<h5><strong>On Covid-19 and public perception </strong></h5>
<p><strong>[18:56] </strong>How do Americans perceive the risks of Covid-19 and what do public health officials have to say about it?</p>
<p><strong>[23:28] </strong>If health officials and Americans can’t agree on appropriate safety measures, what happens?</p>
<p><strong>[24:39] </strong>Why do Americans believe the pandemic is over (even if the CDC hasn’t declared it)?</p>
<p><strong>[26:38] </strong>Does the CDC have any influence over the public’s perception of safety right now?</p>
<p><strong>[28:20] </strong>Given the change in public opinion, how can health experts and elected officials save the most lives?</p>
<p><strong>[29:25] </strong>How can we protect people who are at the greatest risk of dying from Covid-19?</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #52: The future of medical misinformation, education and motivation</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/05/15/fhc-52-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2022 03:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back to <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/03/21/fhc-46-unfiltered/"><u><strong>Unfiltered</strong></u></a>, a show that features two iconic voices in healthcare for a half hour of unscripted, hard-hitting talk.</p>
<p><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>has twice appeared on <em>The ZDoggMD Show</em> (see: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgIZ8e4_SDQ">here </a>and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oNUnssjEfs">here</a>) opposite <strong>Dr. Zubin Damania</strong>, who had twice appeared on the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast with Pearl, alongside cohost <strong>Jeremy Corr </strong>(see: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/08/08/episode-1-zdoggmd/">here</a> and <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/10/11/episode-26-zdoggmd-culture/">here</a>).</p>
<p>This episode (the third in this series so far) covers a lot of ground, starting with questions of censorship and medical misinformation as talks continue around Elon Musk’s pending ownership and overhaul of Twitter.</p>
<p>Also in this episode:</p>
<ul>
<li>Financial incentives vs. intrinsic drivers: What motivates doctors?</li>
<li>Should we do away with the MCATs and change physician education for good?</li>
<li>Why are women physicians more burned-out than male colleagues? And, according to the latest surveys, why is the problem getting worse?</li>
</ul>
<p>To get started, press play or peruse the transcript below.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>UNFILTERED TRANSCRIPT</strong></p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>Welcome to Unfiltered our newest program in our weekly Fixing Healthcare podcast series. Joining us each month is Dr. Zubin Damania, known to many as ZDoggMD. For 25 minutes he and Robbie will engage in unscripted and hard-hitting conversation about art, politics, entertainment, and much more. As nationally recognized physicians and healthcare experts, they&#8217;ll apply the lessons they extract to medical practice. I&#8217;ll then pose a question for the two of them as the patient based on what I&#8217;ve heard. Robbie, why don&#8217;t you kick it off?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Hello, Zubin.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Robbie, always a joy. I look forward to this time.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>This is our third podcast and I wonder, would you feel comfortable with my asking you a personal question?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>It could have been the first podcast. You know I&#8217;m a bit of a scary open book.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Well, I heard, Zubin, a rumor that you just paid $44 billion to buy Twitter. Is that right?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>It is. They say it&#8217;s Elon Musk, but when you rip off his latex mask, it&#8217;s that old man Damania underneath, just scared of those meddling kids.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I see. Well, I&#8217;m always confusing you with someone else, but you do drive a Tesla, right?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>No. I&#8217;m not rich enough to drive a Tesla. I have a Camry hybrid, so I am gas efficient, but also cheap.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Okay. But seriously, no, let&#8217;s put this potential change in a healthcare context for our listeners. I&#8217;d like to explore the dividing line between opinion and science. Free speech is a right in the country, but shouting fire in a crowded building is not. You can have an opinion that Putin is the most horrific human being in the world or the savior of Russia, or if you think that swallowing bleach is an effective way to cure COVID-19, telling others to do so is likely to lead to someone&#8217;s death. If Mr. Musk called you, wanted your opinion how best to draw that line, what would you tell him?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>This is such a challenge because, yes, there are certain types of disinformation, whether intentional or unintentional, that can lead to havoc. And I think this idea of yelling fire in a crowded theater is a good version of that. Remembering that our right to free speech, that&#8217;s government stuff. It does not apply to companies. So companies can do whatever they want to your speech, in theory. What I would tell Elon is, listen, don&#8217;t entirely abandon the idea that extremely dangerous and direct disinformation that is clearly outrageously wrong shouldn&#8217;t be removed from the platform. There is a certain responsibility, I think, to do that. Where it becomes difficult is where there&#8217;s scientific debate or there&#8217;s opinion or whatever that is and allowing that to air is very different. And I think who the arbiters are of that truth has become difficult. Dr. Vinay Prasad has looked at who are these sort of filters that some of the companies, the big tech companies, have hired to determine what&#8217;s disinformation. And often it&#8217;s just the loudest voices on Twitter. So that may stifle scientific debate. You do want to a very vigorous, open debate, especially in a time when we don&#8217;t know everything, the time of a pandemic.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>How would you set up the panel, the algorithm, the AI application? How would you set up somebody to make this decision?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, man. If I knew that &#8230; Honestly, because I am much more on the free speech angle of it, I think it&#8217;s really &#8230; I don&#8217;t know, Robbie. What would you do? I don&#8217;t know that it can be done well, honestly.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I think when it comes to healthcare, I tend to be a bit more conservative than I am when it comes to almost any other issue. I&#8217;m not so in believing you should censor anyone&#8217;s opinion unless there&#8217;s an implication for others. I&#8217;m worried and bothered by the fact we crossed a million deaths in the United States. I don&#8217;t think we should have had anywhere near that number of people perishing from this virus. Yes, in the first year, we didn&#8217;t know quite what to do. But the second year, we really should have done a lot better. I don&#8217;t know whose responsibility it is, but I know that what whoever&#8217;s it was, it&#8217;s a failure. Not an easy question, but somehow we had to figure out a better way and be prepared at least the next time to do so. If anyone on Twitter wants to tell the world that you or I or Jeremy or anyone else isn&#8217;t very smart, our ideas are wrong, that&#8217;s okay. There&#8217;s no problem doing that. But I just really worry. When we have a means of being able to advise people positively and the risk is tragedy, not just for themselves, but their family, their kids, their loved ones. I just somehow feel that we need to do a bit more, because it is good public health. And that&#8217;s where I separate out medicine from everything else that I can think of.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So this is interesting. I think actually what we find is when these companies did label these things as disinformation or block them or whatever, whether it&#8217;s a Marty Makary op-ed in The Wall Street Journal or something more even very much to the fringe like Robert Malone or Peter McCullough, these sort of anti-vaccine activist physicians. What we found is that this is the internet, so people will go somewhere else where they aren&#8217;t censored. And the very act of censorship confirms the conspiracy bias of a segment of the population that&#8217;s prone to believe these things for whatever reason. And some of that is just having a sense of control. They don&#8217;t understand how this could all be happening to us and so they&#8217;re looking for meaning. And when these guys say, &#8220;Oh, the government&#8217;s doing this or Fauci&#8217;s doing that,&#8221; they&#8217;re very receptive to that because they say, &#8220;Oh, well that at least makes sense. It&#8217;s this nefarious plot.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>And my concern is when we start doing those things, we drive people to those other locations and it doesn&#8217;t solve the problem. But where I think we can do better as healthcare professionals is we need to step up and say, &#8220;Okay, well &#8230;&#8221; If we think there&#8217;s good things like, say, vaccines or certain interventions to prevent the spread of COVID, then we have to be vocal in a way that isn&#8217;t judgmental, that isn&#8217;t partisan, that isn&#8217;t overtly political because the whole thing&#8217;s been so politicized. And that would go a long way, I think. Having a louder voice for science and truth and process than for disinformation is one way to drown out the noise without canceling the noise makers that then confirms the bias of the people who are prone to believe it.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>ZDogg, you bring up a very good point of the whole canceling people from those said platforms. For example, when you saw Trump get removed from Twitter and then he moved over to Truth Social and all these kind of right wing people that get banned from Twitter and then moved over to Truth Social or these other kind of platforms, they&#8217;re going to be in these echo chambers of people that only think the exact same way as them and spreading whatever information or misinformation or whatever you want to call it. But when you have Twitter as more of a public square type of thing, for example, when you had the QAnon phenomenon going on. For every person that posted some crazy conspiracy theory, you had 20 people responding, being like, &#8220;Look, you&#8217;re being dumb. Here&#8217;s proof. Look, this doesn&#8217;t make any sense. Here&#8217;s why.&#8221; What are both of your thoughts around that, out of curiosity, about is it better to not censor them and engage with them further versus driving them into those echo chambers?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So my take on the echo chambers is that it&#8217;s an existential threat, actually, to all of us, this idea that we are polarized into chambers that just reflect what we already hear. And those chambers don&#8217;t connect. They only connect through virtual violence. In other words, this antagonism. They&#8217;re almost these hive mind, group minds that form. And you&#8217;re right. Whether it&#8217;s a Truth Social hive mind or a Twitter hive mind or a Rumble hive mind or wherever it is, they tend to attract like minds and then echo the sentiment. So making that corpus callosum, those fibers that connect those different hive minds, is actually key, which means a dialogue. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m &#8230; And I get it, Robbie. I totally get that this is healthcare and people&#8217;s lives are at stake, so we as physicians really want to intervene. And so the question then is what&#8217;s the best, most effective way to do that? I wish I had a direct answer, but it&#8217;s quite nuanced.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. I think what you&#8217;re hearing from me is just frustration. I can&#8217;t stand to see human life wasted, and we wasted human life. And I&#8217;m looking for a better answer and that&#8217;s why I thought I would ask you about that. But let&#8217;s switch maybe to another topic. Zubin, our discussion of the four existential questions in the last podcast, it stimulated lots and lots of great conversation from our listeners. I heard from quite a number of them. And a physician and former student of mine at the Stanford Graduate School of Business asked if you and I could talk about the difference between transactional and transformational leadership. As you know, transactional leadership is quid pro quo. You increase your screening for colon or breast cancer in patients in the recommended age group from 50 to 60%, you get an extra $1,000 a year. You go from 50 to 70, you get $2,000 more. In contrast, transformational leadership, inspires people and attempts to improve medical outcomes by connecting with their inner motivation as people. You led Turntable Health in Las Vegas. What did you learn about the value and role of financial incentives versus intrinsic motivation?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Ah, what a great question. This is the central piece because how do you motivate people through leadership rather than management, through, like you said, transformation instead of transaction? And what I think, I think the data shows this too, and what I found was that pay for performance just doesn&#8217;t really work. Doctors are intrinsically motivated to do the right thing. They&#8217;re also a bit competitive. They want to actually do better than their peers on average. They don&#8217;t want to be the one that&#8217;s the last in their class or whatever it is, or the one that has the lowest scores on whatever. They&#8217;ve always been intrinsically motivated. So how do you then lead in that sort of setting? And what it seems is, first of all, you got to just set this culture that we&#8217;re trying to do the right thing for patients and for each other. And then you provide the tools, the team, and the trust to actually accomplish that.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>And the tools will be the technology that&#8217;s actually there to enable what they&#8217;re trying to do to make them feel capable to do it. The teams are the support structures, the human support that allow everybody to do the top of their game and support each other too. And then trust is the key thing, which is where you&#8217;re saying, &#8220;Listen, I&#8217;m not going to nickel and dime you and give you an extra $1,000 for this outcome. I am going to actually give you the autonomy to accomplish what we have as goals here together that are partially intrinsically motivated, and then give you those tools and team to actually accomplish it.&#8221; And yeah, we may measure it as an outcome in a big sense, like how are we doing here, and then have the discussion as a group and maybe have a healthy competition around it. But pay for performance just is not going to motivate intrinsically motivated people.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>If that&#8217;s the case, and I concur with you, everything you said, why are financial incentives used so often by leaders across the United States?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a currency that they understand, especially non-clinical leadership. And I think they think that humans are motivated by that sort of financial reward. But these are medical professionals. After they reach a certain point, it&#8217;s more about that intrinsic motivation. For me, when I was practicing fulltime too, that&#8217;s how it felt. It&#8217;s like, I wanted to feel valued. I wanted to feel like I was providing value. I wanted to feel like I was part of a team that I felt responsible to, and that felt responsible to me. And I felt that I wanted resources to be able to do my job, meaning technological resources that didn&#8217;t suck. And I think when I had those, when everything was firing on all cylinders, giving great care just became the default and you are always striving to be better. But when it became about RVUs and when it became about productivity, when it became about these rewards for clicking the right boxes and getting the things done that way, it really stripped away the intrinsic motivation. And I think it had bad outcomes. But I think our leaders are conditioned that way, many of them, especially non-clinical leaders.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Maybe a theme from today&#8217;s conversation, Zubin, is my frustration in how slow our progress is. And I want to figure out how we can make it happen faster. Earlier today, I spoke at Rochester at a really excellent organization that was there. And there was a dinner last night and we were talking about the fact that four miles from we were sitting, life expectancy was 10 years less than the people who were living in the area where we were. And I asked them, I said, &#8220;What&#8217;s going on to change that?&#8221; We know what many of those factors are. And the answer was in a motivated community, not much was occurring. How do we accelerate this change to get the best health for people?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So much of it is all healthcare is local. So actually having members of the team from the community you&#8217;re trying to serve, who understand that community, having skin in the game, knowing that every community is different, is motivated differently. Not having a one size fits all platform, but maybe having a central thesis like, &#8220;These are the goals we want to accomplish. So how do we do it here, versus here, versus here and making it a priority?&#8221; We talk a lot about equity and things like that, but when the rubber hits the road, it&#8217;s really about financial outcomes or just playing the same old game. And I&#8217;m as frustrated as you are, Robbie. It&#8217;s very frustrating.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a female physician at Penn. I&#8217;m forgetting her name now, but she was on my show. And she works with health coaches from community areas that are zip codes of tremendously poor outcomes and found that bringing those health coaches that go to homes, that interact with the patients. We did this at Turntable, too. Driving these very empathic, motivated interviewers from the communities they&#8217;re going to serve. That was 90% of the battle. And then really tailoring it to how do those patients want to communicate? Maybe they don&#8217;t want to do a telehealth thing, but they would love to text. So can we set it up so that they can text us because that&#8217;s culturally what they do? Or whatever it is. It&#8217;s really being adaptable to the community at hand, and then having the motivation to actually want those disparities to go away.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>So let me be a little bit controversial and look at another area related to this, which is how we select medical students. Malcolm Gladwell popularized the 10,000 hour rule, implicit in the idea is that if you want to become, let&#8217;s say, a great guitar player, it takes that level of dedication and commitment. And maybe coincidentally 10,000 hours is about the amount of time a resident&#8217;s in a three year program like internal medicine spends. As you know, I think Malcolm is one of the most talented non-fiction writers, and he was a guest on a recent Fixing Healthcare podcast. But I&#8217;d like to add a second rule, and that I&#8217;ll label the three step rule. And just so listeners aren&#8217;t confused, unlike the 10,000 hour rule that has deep research background, my three step rule, it&#8217;s completely made up. I don&#8217;t have the least bit of scientific data, but it comes from my life.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>And the rule concept is that we all are born with intrinsic ability in each category, how high we can jump, how good looking we are, how well we do mathematics. And let&#8217;s just say we have a number between one and 10. With 10,000 hours of practice, we can go up, this is my hypothesis, three spots. I use my life as an example. One of the greatest gifts I ever got was how terrible I am at singing. I was between a one and a two. Had I been a five or six, I might have deceived myself into becoming a rock professional musician. But no matter how hard I worked, I knew the best I could become was five. So if you, at least for the time being, will agree that talent is equally important to dedication and hard work, let me ask you what are the skills we should screen for in medical students? We both know that traditionally we screened from memorization through Step One tests and MCATs and other pieces. But today with the smartphone, memorization is less crucial. Should we be screening for empathy? Should we be screening for communication ability? Should we be screening for ability to motivate? What do you think we should be screening for picking the next generation of doctors?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, all of those things. All of those things are crucial. And I love that theory. I think that&#8217;s fact. I&#8217;m going to go further and say for my own life, it&#8217;s the same thing. There&#8217;s this controversial thing in leadership. It&#8217;s like do you work on your weaknesses? Do you spend all this time working on these weaknesses where you&#8217;re at a one or a two, try to get it to a three or a four? Or do you really just boost those strengths? And I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;m always a fan of boosting the strengths. So if you&#8217;re looking in healthcare, the truth is there isn&#8217;t a one size fits all because you need surgeons, you need urologists, you need psychiatrists, you need primary care doctors. They all do different things. My neurosurgeon doesn&#8217;t necessarily have to be the most empathic person in the world, but they better be a really disciplined technician and highly learned to be able to do what they do.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So maybe you have some latitude for how you&#8217;re screening, but I would say the more we screen for things like communication, bedside manner, empathy, compassion, interesting stories that people have overcome adversity, the idea that they would then have real compassion for people who are struggling, those kind of things are &#8230; We always give lip service to it, but we&#8217;ve never really screened for it. We screen by, like you said, by the tests. And that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s interesting. A lot of times you&#8217;ll get into a school system like a D.O. School system where they screen maybe a little bit differently, and those doctors are trained differently too. And you wonder like, &#8220;Oh.&#8221; When you&#8217;re sitting in the room with them, it&#8217;s a different vibe and often in a good way. So it really &#8230; And again, I don&#8217;t mean to paint it with a single brush, but it really does speak to how we&#8217;re even picking people who go through medical school.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Now, the other problem is if you screen based on empathy and those kind of things, and you do underemphasize the testing, then you may set up people for failure in a medical school education system that is designed to continue that process of test taking brilliance and not necessarily all those other factors. I&#8217;m curious what you think, Robbie.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Well, I think we need to change not just the acceptance process, but the educational process and the evaluation process. I believe, and I&#8217;ve written about it, that rather than banning cell phones from all these exams, you should be required to bring one. We shouldn&#8217;t be testing your ability to find the Kreb cycle. For listeners who aren&#8217;t doctors, it&#8217;s a very famous set of information that&#8217;s hard to exactly discern that physicians get tested on in their second year of medical school and never again ever use. So it&#8217;s the ultimate metaphor for the problem that we&#8217;re talking about. In fact, the entire step one examination is one that&#8217;s 16 hours of testing on about 10,000 arcane facts. Medical students spend six to eight weeks, 12 hours a day memorizing all of these, again, 95% of which they&#8217;ll never ever use unless they happen to be on the Amazon river somewhere in the jungle encountering some kind of protozoan that they only read about and they, of course, would never have the medication anyway.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>No. We&#8217;re in the 21st century. Smartphones are with us all the time. I think we should be evaluating people on their ability to take that information that&#8217;s readily available now and apply it to difficult situations, to be able to figure out with access to all of that smartphone what really is going on with this patient and this family and how am I going to impact that person&#8217;s life. We really don&#8217;t measure the change in the patient&#8217;s health. We measure simply the advice the doctor gave. And as you well know, we have major problems with patients getting prescribed maybe the right medication but not taking it, sometimes getting prescribed the wrong medication, but getting prescribed the right medication and not taking it. The opportunity to be able to engage in opportunities to improve and prevent chronic disease and treat chronic disease. Diet, nutrition, relaxation. There&#8217;s a whole litany of opportunities that exist and we don&#8217;t do a very good job of helping patients. Some is the system of medicine. Some is the society around it.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>But I personally think that the physician skills going forward in a world where increasingly there are patients with multiple chronic diseases, each of which interact with each other, all of which are overwhelming. The ability of the physician of the future, I think, will be very different than the past. I just wonder how you would screen the 50,000 medical student applicants for the 20,000 physicians that exist every year in the United States?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. And the screening is one piece, but like you said, how we&#8217;re even teaching them medical school is such a &#8230; It&#8217;s not set up to manage all that chronic disease. It really isn&#8217;t. And I almost feel like you should have as part of medical training a week long silent meditation retreat where these students are forced to introspect for a week and come back very sensitive to their environment and very much using nonverbal cues and things like that where they get out of their head and into this space around them with the patient and with each other and with themselves. And I think that would really help open up the motivational aspects of how do you connect with another human being. We don&#8217;t teach it very well in medical school. More clinical stuff would be nice, starting very early and really saying, &#8220;Hey, this is what it is.&#8221; Again, that&#8217;s not to lessen if you&#8217;re going to be a pathologist or you&#8217;re going to do something that&#8217;s more research oriented. You want to accommodate for that as well, because that&#8217;s important. But man, we&#8217;re doing it wrong. Whatever we&#8217;re doing now, it&#8217;s not right. It&#8217;s not working</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s also why I asked you about this rule of three steps, because unless you&#8217;re convinced that everyone who applies to medical school is a seven or eight in the ability to communicate, the ability to empathize, the ability to understand what an individual from a different background is telling you, then we probably do need to figure out the individuals best able to do that, if those are the skills of the future. But I also would agree with you. I think the classes should involve using that technology to be able to now understand, let&#8217;s say, the physiology of the heart or the pharmacology of the medications. Why should you have to memorize the dose of a drug when you can look it up with 100% accuracy rather than relying on your memory? But understanding things about lifestyle that affect the drug, that&#8217;s a different set of skills that I think we don&#8217;t focus on nearly as much.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>And I think that that speaks again to mechanical intelligence versus human intuitive connective intelligence, relational intelligence. Why don&#8217;t we optimize for that since the computers are going to take everything else and do it better than us? So I agree. I agree a hundred thousand percent. Everyone&#8217;s using Up To Date now anyways as a source reference for a lot of stuff. We ought to train how do you use that effectively? How do you overcome bias in it? How do you think from the human side taking that data? Absolutely. But we would just memorize stuff. I mean, that was our thing when I trained.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>And the errors in it, not because the science is wrong, but because the application is wrong, as you said, based upon a given population or given set of individuals. So let&#8217;s go one more step. I want to talk a little bit with you today about burnout among doctors. I don&#8217;t know if you looked at the most recent Medscape survey. It had the information that we would expect. Burnout&#8217;s gotten worse in the context of COVID. The two specialties that have been that at the highest level are the two you would predict, ER and critical care. These are the people who have had to deal with the majority of individuals who&#8217;ve gone on to die. These are situations where physicians have been overwhelmed by the sense of loss, the inability to change the trajectory of a disease, the frustration of being unable to be effective as doctors. You had the isolation with COVID and families not being there. On and on and on.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>But what struck me as being most interesting was the third specialty on the list. The third most burned out specialty today, it wasn&#8217;t true two years ago, is OB/GYN. Now OB/GYN physicians don&#8217;t have a lot of patients who had COVID. They didn&#8217;t see a huge number of deaths. And why did this specialty soar in burnout rates compared to the other specialties? And as I looked at it, my conclusion was it&#8217;s one statistical fact, 85% of physicians in OB/GYN are women. And they took on another job, eight to ten hours more work outside the medical office or the hospital because they bore the brunt of child care. And I haven&#8217;t heard a whole lot of physicians talking about, and I&#8217;ll call it the two-way flow of the world inside medicine and outside. It&#8217;s almost like, as you said, the corpus callosum which connects the two sides of the brain was severed. And our minds are, we either have a work environment or our personal environment, and maybe the work environment negatively affects the personal, but not necessarily that the personal affects the work.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I wrote a piece for it on Forbes and I expected about a third of the people would say I was right, a third of the people would say I was a total idiot and I had gotten it completely wrong, and a third would&#8217;ve said, &#8220;Oh yeah. We knew this all along.&#8221; But instead I think there was a pretty good resonance, at least amongst the women responding, that this was the reality of the past two years. How do we have a more broad understanding of burnout to recognize what happens in our practices that we don&#8217;t control, what happens in our practices that we can control, and what happens in our life outside of medicine that impacts our satisfaction, our job fulfillment and our level of fatigue?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I read your Forbes piece and I was actually really &#8230; I said, &#8220;Yeah.&#8221; And the thing is, it&#8217;s difficult because you and me are mansplaining this thing. But I would say this, I mean, my wife is a female physician and the truth is when you look at burnout, you have to look at it&#8217;s not work-life balance. It&#8217;s life of which work is an integrated piece and they all resonate together. So for men, they have this, at least in the typical roles that we see, they&#8217;re not necessarily always the primary caregiver also of children at home. They&#8217;re not caring for elderly loved ones directly. They can be, but it&#8217;s not the primary thing. We often see that to be more a female role historically in society. And it&#8217;s dragged into current where women are now a huge part of the medical workforce.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So they go to work, they do all the stuff that we have at work that is hard for us, but then they have the extra element, which this is going to be controversial, but if you look at personality tests, women score higher on agreeableness than men. So when asked to do extra stuff, they tend not to say no as often as men do. Men are jerks on personality tests. Again, just trying to stick with the data here, Robbie. I&#8217;m editorializing occasionally. And so they get sucked into stuff at work. Then they go home. They&#8217;re the caregiver for the kids. They have all that other stress. And even if they&#8217;re part-time, it&#8217;s like the equivalent of 1.5 FTE full-time equivalent. Duh, it&#8217;s going to be harder for them in many ways. And so it&#8217;s not surprising to me that that OB/GYN and maybe pediatrics too, which is more female, higher up on the list of people who self-report burnout.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Pediatrics was another specialty that went up quite significantly. But why don&#8217;t we talk about it? Why don&#8217;t we talk about gender inequality in the context of burnout? Why don&#8217;t we talk about the parents who are sick or other environment or personal issues? We just keep separating our work experience and our dissatisfaction, and there&#8217;s no question the bureaucratic tasks and the computer systems and all of the problems are very real. But these other pieces, when I look at the data, seem to be quite significant as well. And yet at least I don&#8217;t hear it. You talk to far more physicians than I do. Are you hearing this type of outside world impinging on our personal professional satisfaction? Are you hearing that discussed very much?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Absolutely. And when I talk to male physicians who are experiencing high degrees of burnout, often they will report having a child who either has special needs or who is having difficulty through the pandemic and has required a lot more attention from the male parent. And so these things are absolutely intertwined but we reduce it to, well, it&#8217;s Epic or it&#8217;s an electronic health record problem, or it&#8217;s too much insurance interference. All that&#8217;s there and that&#8217;s been going on, but what is it that really this is about is we try to make doctors try to feel like they&#8217;re these invincible, off the grid kind of super humans. And in fact, we codify that in our cultural response to the pandemic and say, &#8220;Oh, heroes work here. These are healthcare heroes.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>And so what is calling somebody a hero says, well, then you&#8217;re more than human. So you can take on all this stuff. And the truth is, no, we&#8217;re absolutely human. And the hero&#8217;s journey is the human going on the journey, right? And coming back and returning with new knowledge, new insight, new awakeness. But we&#8217;ve taken away the journey and we&#8217;ve said, &#8220;Oh no, no, no. You&#8217;re just going to do inhuman amounts of work and then suffer at home too with all the responsibilities you have.&#8221; And we&#8217;re not going to talk about it, Robbie, because you asked that. Why don&#8217;t we talk about it? Because it&#8217;s stigmatized. People are afraid to talk about it. They&#8217;re afraid of getting canceled for saying the wrong thing. They&#8217;re afraid of &#8230; You call this series Unfiltered. You and I will just say what we think, right? But there&#8217;s still that subtle fear, like, &#8220;Well, I don&#8217;t want to come off like I&#8217;m mansplaining about what women are going through.&#8221; And so everybody&#8217;s just all uptight about it. We just need to have these open conversations. You&#8217;re very good at that. Your book about physician culture was &#8230; I mean, I was like, &#8220;This is it right here. And it&#8217;s going to generate anger.&#8221; But, man, that&#8217;s what we need to do.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>All right. So I guess my final question for you both is in 2021, 107,000 people died from a drug overdose in the US, roughly a quarter of the number of deaths attributed to COVID during the same time period. The opioid epidemic is something you hear about in the news significantly less, yet I do not think there&#8217;s a single person who has not had a friend or family member that&#8217;s been impacted by the opioid epidemic, many of them due to fentanyl. There&#8217;s also a massive mental health crisis in this nation that&#8217;s been very much exacerbated by the pandemic. I didn&#8217;t see the 2021 numbers for suicide, but in 2020, there were over 45,000 deaths by suicide in the US. And a couple days ago, the House overwhelmingly voted to send $40 billion in military aid to Ukraine. This is during a time of record inflation, gas prices, baby formula shortages.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>And I saw one comment on Twitter that I found fascinating that I wanted you both to discuss. I saw someone say that if a member of the House proposed $40 billion to fight the opioid epidemic or mental health crisis here in the United States, they&#8217;d be laughed out of the room. I understand that to an extent. This is an apples and oranges comparison. But as healthcare experts, what are your thoughts on this? And why isn&#8217;t more being done to address the domestic issues around the mental health crisis and opioid epidemic?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Jeremy, this is what some friends of mine call COVID myopia, for example. We&#8217;re so focused on what&#8217;s an obvious pandemic, a million dead and so on, that we&#8217;ve always ignored actually a very iatrogenic, medically caused epidemic, the opioid epidemic that, like you say, is a significant fraction of the COVID deaths, but it continues year after year after year and only seems to get worse. And the pandemic does not make it better. And so to some degree, our shortsighted responses to one thing tend to either exacerbate, because it&#8217;s all connected. During the pandemic, of course, seems like drug use, mental illness has gotten worse because we&#8217;ve destabilized society with some of the response to this, which again, gets back to our original discussion of like, well, do you censor people&#8217;s discussions when they disagree with our response?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>And the answer is no, because some of them may be looking at bigger picture stuff. And sending money to Ukraine, we&#8217;re printing that money. It&#8217;s not like &#8230; We&#8217;re just deficit spending. So our children are paying for that and they&#8217;re going to pay for the opioid crisis that the Sacklers helped create. And it just becomes a very frustrating stew of not being able to see context and the holistic picture of what&#8217;s going on. And I think that really has come to a head here with this.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>My take is that in our nation, we do not see all lives the same. And if you are in a group such as someone with mental health illnesses, someone with opioid addiction problems, heroin issues, someone who&#8217;s very old with lots of chronic disease, our nation doesn&#8217;t value those lives, doesn&#8217;t see them as being productive and doesn&#8217;t make the investments. Whether they spend the money someplace else, and I personally believe that the war in Ukraine is one that&#8217;s vital for our future, because I think the aggression that Russia has shown is only the start. We&#8217;ve seen it many times in the past. But that&#8217;s my political views. As a physician, my view is that all lives are not the same. I mentioned earlier, the zip code four miles away, people are living. You can run there in 40 minutes. And yet the people dying 10 years earlier are simply not seen as being as important lives worth saving as the people living in the houses surrounding your own home.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>This, I think, is a part of the human existence. In particular, we know this from implicit bias that people who look like you, act like you, talk like you, believe like you are ones whose lives you think are more significant. And I think what you&#8217;ve pointed out, Jeremy, is the price that we pay, 107,000 people dying now. It was 60,000. We didn&#8217;t notice it back then. It could be 125,000 a year from now. And maybe I&#8217;m just an idealistic doctor. I just think that every life that is lost unnecessarily and not from a disease we can&#8217;t control, but for a problem we could take care of is simply a tragedy. And we have a growing number of tragedies across our nation.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>One hard part about interviewing <a href="https://drerictopol.com/"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Dr. Eric Topol</span></strong></a> is knowing where to begin.</p>
<p>Topol wears a seemingly infinite array of hats: He is the director of Scripps Research Translational Institute. He’s a professor of molecular medicine. He’s an expert on artificial intelligence, Covid-19, genome editing and precision medicine. He’s a bestselling author, the editor of the popular healthcare publication <em>MedScape</em>, and one of the most followed physicians on Twitter.</p>
<p>Thus, another hard part about interview Eric Topol is knowing you’ll always have far more questions than time to ask them. For this interview, the questions of cohosts <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> center on rule-breaking in medicine—and, specifically, the unwritten rules doctors follow. Who better to ask than Topol, one of healthcare’s biggest rule breakers?</p>
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<h2 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Interview Highlights </u></strong></h2>
<h5><strong>On precision medicine </strong></h5>
<p>“We have a huge number, every year, of serious diagnostic errors. And our treatments are based largely in clinical trials, where maybe 10 people out of 100 in a really good trial might derive benefit. But the 90 people who don&#8217;t derive benefit, we give them the same therapy. That&#8217;s not exactly an accurate and precise way of delivering care. So, we can do far better, but it involves dealing with lots of data, a tsunami of data. And we aren&#8217;t well equipped to do that yet.”</p>
<h5><strong>On doctors who can’t handle the data</strong></h5>
<p>“The way things are in medicine, we can&#8217;t handle the data. So, we need to acquiesce and we need to say, ‘We need help.’ You&#8217;re well aware of the crisis, the global crisis we have of burnout, and disenchantment, and depression. Part of that is non-ability to care for patients because of being overwhelmed. And part of that being overwhelmed … is not being able to get our arms around all the data of any given patient because it takes time. But that’s what machines are really good for.”</p>
<h5><strong>On using smartphones in medical practice </strong></h5>
<p>“Part of the unwillingness for cardiologists to accept smartphone ultrasound is that their first reaction says, ‘Well, I don&#8217;t want have to do that. That&#8217;s what ultra-stenographers are for. I don&#8217;t want to have to acquire the images. That takes time and I&#8217;m not getting reimbursed for it,’ and every possible excuse. But in reality, every cardiologist should know how to acquire an echo … It takes just a minute or two. It&#8217;s so much more effective in time-use than with a stethoscope because you&#8217;re seeing everything.”</p>
<h5><strong>On what patients want </strong></h5>
<p>“They want to be more autonomous than they are, not so dependent. And we have the tools to do that. Already, we have emerging tools to deal with very common conditions like skin rashes and lesions through a smartphone picture and AI algorithm, ear infections for children, UTIs with an AI kit, heart rhythms through a smart watch. I mean, we have a lot of common diagnoses that are not life threatening that can be screened by patients and that list is just going to keep growing.”</p>
<h5><strong>On the Covid-19 vaccine-booster fiasco </strong></h5>
<p>“The biggest thing in my concern about the way the pandemic has been managed actually with the boosters, Robbie. I think this has been a fiasco. I think that we, as a country, are ranked 70th in the world for boosters in our population. We&#8217;re only at 30%, whereas most countries that you would consider peer in Europe or Asia are 70, 80%. And most importantly, in people over age 50, where in the US, 1 out of 125 Americans have died over age 50. And that&#8217;s for confirmed deaths, not even excess mortality in the COVID era. And we know that booster shots reduce death. They also reduce hospitalizations. They reduce long COVID.”</p>
<h5><strong>On fighting medical disinformation</strong></h5>
<p>“I&#8217;m very into free speech. However, we need to, in my view, at least draw the lines about when there&#8217;s clear, unequivocal, medically harmful disinformation, lies, misinformation, fabrication, because we&#8217;re talking about people being hurt or dying from it. And so that&#8217;s different than expressing opinions or providing data that&#8217;s real instead of just making things up. And there&#8217;s been a lot of that. We&#8217;re not talking about Galileo here. We&#8217;re talking about people who are purposefully, if not unwittingly, trying to hurt a lot of people.”</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Eric-Topol_Episode-51.pdf">READ: Full transcript with Eric Topol</a> </strong></span></p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/05/01/ctt-60-mask-mandates/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2022 02:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The biggest Covid-19 news of the last month came out of Florida, where a federal judge struck down the CDC’s mask mandate on planes, trains and in transportation hubs. As Americans jubilantly removed their masks, the Justice Department quickly filed an appeal.</p>
<p>Importantly, however, the DOJ did not immediately request a stay on the ruling in Florida. Thus, Americans will be flying mask-free for months before the appellate court can hear and rule on the appeal. What does this mean for Covid-concerned travelers? Are masks as good as gone or could they still make a comeback?</p>
<p>Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl examine these questions and many others in this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>. You’ll find all the [time stamped] topics from this show below in the notes:</p>
<p><strong>[01:18] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[02:58]</strong> <strong>Why are masks no longer required on planes and public transportation?</strong></p>
<p><strong>[04:16]</strong> What should we know about the new strains of Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[07:02]</strong> If VP Kamala Harris tested positive for Covid-19, but didn’t have any symptoms, does this mean she’s not contagious?</p>
<p><strong>[10:55]</strong> Survey says: Are Americans worried about Covid-19 anymore?</p>
<p><strong>[13:12]</strong> What’s the latest science on Covid-19 and young kids?</p>
<p><strong>[18:18]</strong> How are healthcare workers coping today with <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2021/04/19/doctors-cant-cope-with-anguish-of-covid-19-casualties/?sh=7586ebd5b216"><strong>the trauma of Covid-19</strong></a>?</p>
<p><strong>[22:42] </strong>Do patients think about how their actions affect doctors?</p>
<p><strong>[23:50]</strong> How are teens coping with mental health challenges of the pandemic?</p>
<p><strong>[24:56]</strong> Why are so many elected officials getting Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[27:17]</strong> What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[30:11]</strong> What’s the biggest non-Covid story in healthcare?</p>
<p><strong>[32:19]</strong> Do Americans still believe U.S. healthcare is best in the world?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
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<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #50: Diving deep into physician intuition and hospital prices</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/04/24/fhc-50-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back to the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> series, “Diving Deep,” which features a robust and probing discussion about some of healthcare’s most deep-seated problems.</p>
<p>In this episode, Dr. Robert Pearl Jeremy Corr dive deep into the unwritten rules of healthcare, which have long dictated for doctors “the right way to act.” Two examples featured in this show include the doctor’s use of intuition when making medical recommendations and the current rules surrounding hospital care, which lead to high prices but not necessarily better care.</p>
<p>For more information on these topics, check out Dr. Pearl’s latest healthcare columns on <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/">Forbes</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/breaking-the-healthcare-rules-6886483197157285888/">LinkedIn</a>. For listeners interested in show notes, here’s a discussion guide:</p>
<ul>
<li>When it comes to medical decision-making, where should the science end and gut-feelings take over?</li>
<li>What is evidence-based medicine and why does it matter?</li>
<li>Why do doctors (and people in other industries) distrust science-based guidelines?</li>
<li>What can go wrong with intuitive medical decision-making?</li>
<li>When (if ever) is intuition is better than science?</li>
<li>Why don’t doctors have time to talk with patient about their hopes, fears and values?</li>
<li>How can patients know whether or not a hospital offers good care?</li>
</ul>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #49: An unfiltered chat about &#8216;the slap,&#8217; emotional doctors, and more</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/04/18/fhc-49-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2022 13:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to <u>Unfiltered</u>, a new show that brings together two iconic voices in healthcare for an unscripted, hard-hitting half hour of talk.</p>
<p><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>has twice appeared on <em>The ZDoggMD Show</em> (see: <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgIZ8e4_SDQ">here</a></strong></span> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oNUnssjEfs"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>here</strong></span></a>) opposite <strong>Dr. Zubin Damania</strong>, who has twice appeared on the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast with Pearl, alongside cohost <strong>Jeremy Corr </strong>(see: <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/08/08/episode-1-zdoggmd/"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">here</span></a></strong> and <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/10/11/episode-26-zdoggmd-culture/">here</a></strong></span>).</p>
<p>This episode ventures into uncomfortable territory. It starts with “the slap” at the Oscars and asks whether making fun of a medical condition is ever okay. Next up, the two doctors discuss emotion in medicine: should physicians show more of it at work? And finally, four existential questions for healthcare professionals, including: What’s our purpose?</p>
<p>To get started, press play or peruse the transcript below.</p>
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<p><strong>UNFILTERED TRANSCRIPT</strong></p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>Welcome to Unfiltered, our newest program on our weekly Fixing Healthcare podcast series. Joining us each month as Dr. Zubin Damania, known to many as ZDoggMD. For 25 minutes, he and Robbie will engage in unscripted and hard-hitting conversation about art, politics, entertainment, and much more. As nationally recognized physicians and healthcare policy experts, they&#8217;ll apply the lessons they extract to medical practice. Then I&#8217;ll pose a question for the two of them as a patient based on what I&#8217;ve heard. Robbie, why don&#8217;t you kick it off.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Zubin, I&#8217;ve heard great feedback from our listeners about the first show and our willingness to tackle controversial issues. You&#8217;re my social media maven. And I have to ask you about the event that garnered twice as many social interactions than Ukraine, and four times as many as the president of the United States. And of course that was the confrontation between Will Smith and Chris Rock at the Oscars. But rather than talking about the slap, Zubin, I&#8217;d like to ask you a different question. Why do comedians think it&#8217;s okay to make jokes about people&#8217;s medical issues?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Ah, well, boy, there&#8217;s so much here. I mean, the truth is comedians, like anybody, their job is to make people laugh or to point out absurdities and that kind of thing. Now, whatever Chris Rock knew or didn&#8217;t know about Jada Pinkett Smith&#8217;s alopecia, I actually am with Bill Maher on this, where again, there is a free speech protection here where Chris Rock can make jokes all he wants and Will Smith can protest verbally, legally, however he wants to do it. That&#8217;s fine. What&#8217;s inexcusable is hitting anybody and hitting a comedian for making a joke. Now, whether or not he knew, because Jada Pinkett Smith has been public about her alopecia, there&#8217;s a lot to nuance here. It&#8217;s more common in African American women. She&#8217;s a public figure. So it is traumatic for her. But as Bill Maher said, &#8220;If the worst thing you have to deal with is alopecia, I don&#8217;t think someone should slap somebody for making a joke about it.&#8221; So, I tend to fall on the free speech side on this one myself just being somebody who dabbles in comedy.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. I agree with you completely. First of all, we both agree that the violence is inexcusable. So that&#8217;s why I didn&#8217;t want to talk about that. And I also agree with you on this free speech. He has the right, the legal right, the constitutional right to do so. I guess the question I&#8217;m really asking, is it worth the pain that&#8217;s inflicted?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Mm, this is a great question. I mean, look, in comedy, you&#8217;re not supposed to punch down. Anytime you make fun of someone with a chronic disease, you&#8217;re punching down, kind of by definition, like Putin could suffer from end-stage renal disease. And if you make a joke about him being on dialysis, you&#8217;re still punching down because he didn&#8217;t choose to have that disease, and it doesn&#8217;t do well for other people with the disease, and it&#8217;s stigmatizing. So, as a general rule, right, you don&#8217;t punch down in comedy.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Probably because I fixed so many kids with clef lips in the past, and I&#8217;ve heard all the jokes and I&#8217;ve seen the pain that they experience, I am overly sensitive about this issue. But I guess, as a physician, I would hope that we would keep people&#8217;s diseases out of comedy. It may be funny, don&#8217;t get me wrong, but I think the pain inflicted on the individual, now, if it&#8217;s the president of the United States or it&#8217;s Putin or someone, these are very public figures who are at the center of the discussion. If it was about Will Smith, you could say, &#8220;Okay, well he&#8217;s about to win an Oscar, but&#8221; his guest, who happens to be a public figure, but still, to make that be the brunt of the comedy, again, I&#8217;m probably overly sensitive, but I&#8217;m reacting as a doctor to this. And that&#8217;s why I wanted to ask you, because you&#8217;re a social media leader. And as you say, you&#8217;re quite a funny comedian.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Well, I mean, that&#8217;s a great perspective, Robbie, that you&#8217;re bringing because you&#8217;re actually seeing the suffering that these diseases can cause. And so you compound the suffering if you&#8217;re making jokes about it as a public comedian and so on. This situation is a little murky. It&#8217;s just hard to know what Chris Rock knew about&#8230; Maybe she, in his mind, she had just chosen to shave her head as a style point, in which case, as a public figure, you&#8217;re fair game. Right?</p>
<p>But I think your point is very well taken. And again, it&#8217;s a question of, are you generating net suffering in the world or are you generating net joy or well-being? And I think that&#8217;s a good moral compass for all of us. That&#8217;s why comedy, in general, I&#8217;ve seen comedy where I&#8217;m just like, &#8220;Yeah, that was just, not only was it not funny, but it was kind of hurtful.&#8221; So it&#8217;s kind of like, well, there&#8217;s no net benefit. Like I&#8217;ll defend your right to make the joke, but it&#8217;s just not good comedy. Right? So I think you bring a very valid point here.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Zubin, your comments about the emotional aspect of this encounter, they make me think about a class that I took at the Stanford Graduate School of Business on politics and public speeches. It was about the relative power of emotion versus logic. My favorite clip was from Oliver North and his testimony to Congress in the Iran-Contra affair. It begins with one of the senators who wasn&#8217;t a fan of Colonel North showing a video of the FBI agents storming into his office in Washington, DC, as he sat at his desk, shredding all the incriminating evidence. The senator, certainly no fan of North, believes that he&#8217;s made Oliver look like a fool. He says, &#8220;What were you doing?&#8221; North says, &#8220;My job.&#8221; The Senator&#8217;s flummoxed, this is not what his prep team has predicted. The senator stammers. He asked the colonel, &#8220;Why do you think this is your job?&#8221;</p>
<p>And in this totally unemotional calm face, he says, &#8220;If it wasn&#8217;t my job to shred documents, then why would the government have given me a shredder? And why would Congress have paid for it?&#8221; This complete lack of emotion is powerful. And in contrast, in the same class, the professor showed the 1988 debate between the democratic candidate, Mike Dukakis and the republican candidate, George Bush. The CNN correspondent Bernard Shaw asked Dukakis whether he would support the death penalty if his wife were raped and murdered. His response purely cerebral, &#8220;No, sir. I don&#8217;t see any evidence it&#8217;s a deterrent to deal with violent crime.&#8221; The pundits think he may have lost the election because of that one completely unemotional response. So now let me ask you, doctors are taught not to show emotion. Don&#8217;t cry, don&#8217;t yell. Don&#8217;t admit how unfair life can be when it comes to who gets cancer. And yet we&#8217;re expected to be authentic. How should we, as physicians, as clinicians, resolve this contradiction?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Man, this is why I love doing this podcast with you, Robbie. I say no to every podcast invite I get. And Robbie&#8217;s like, &#8220;No, we&#8217;re just going to talk about this kind of thing.&#8221; I&#8217;m like, &#8220;Yeah.&#8221; So look, this is central to who we are as human beings. And you said the word authenticity. We&#8217;re expected to be authentic. And yet we can&#8217;t show what we are, which is largely emotional creatures with a little reason tacked on evolutionarily. We really are, as Jonathan Haidt says, &#8220;We&#8217;re all elephant with this limbic system that is evolved actually to keep us safe&#8221;. Emotions are there for a reason. They&#8217;re feelings. They call them feelings because you feel them in the body, they&#8217;re an energetic pattern. You ignore them or you repress them at your peril. And the reason, Dukakis lost that thing, the reason we loved Spock is not because he was all logic. It&#8217;s because you could feel clearly Spock was half-human.</p>
<p>The underlying emotion was there and watching him try to repress it, watching him try to be a good Vulcan and fail very often was what made him human. And that&#8217;s why Kirk, at the end of Star Trek II, says, &#8220;Of all the souls I&#8217;ve encountered in my travel, his was the most human.&#8221; And that&#8217;s why in medicine, I think it&#8217;s important that we&#8217;re authentic with our patients. We do need to show some emotion, but we also need to have that kind of cognitive empathy that says, &#8220;You know what? Yes, I feel that you&#8217;re suffering. I know that you&#8217;re suffering and you can feel some of my emotion, but also I&#8217;m going to be a source of stability for you. So I&#8217;m not going to let it cloud decision-making. I may help with you to use our emotions together to inform what values matter to us.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I think that&#8217;s important when we ignore that. When we ignore our own emotions, we end up with all kinds of problems. And physicians in particular are the masters and mistresses of emotional repression. Yeah. So to me, focusing deeper on understanding our own emotions and unrepressing them and really feeling them and getting rid of this stigma, oh, there are negative emotions and positive emotions. No. There are energetic patterns that we call emotions, e-motion, energy in motion. Let&#8217;s feel them because if you don&#8217;t, they&#8217;re not in motion, they almost become solidified. And then you tell stories about them and then you act unconsciously on them. So, you know what happened with will Smith? Undoubtedly, there was deep emotional repression for years of being a celebrity and having to swallow this stuff and whatever was going on with him and his wife. And then what happens? It comes out in violence. You don&#8217;t have to do that if you&#8217;re actually in touch with that stuff on a regular basis.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Let me ask you where the line is. I was talking to a doctor who lost four COVID patients in the same day. This feels to me to be beyond the possible human tolerance. How are we going to address this? And how are we going to deal with the PTSD that invariably is now about to start in even greater force than during the pandemic itself.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. You know what&#8217;s interesting is I think human tolerances are beyond our imagination. Like we, humans are able to tolerate insults and traumas that would just theoretically break anyone and they seem to do it. And some actually find meaning in it and grow stronger. But the difference is you have to have that, in my opinion, in medicine, what we miss is this communalization of pain. We don&#8217;t make it okay to talk about this stuff. We don&#8217;t make it okay to say, &#8220;You know what? I&#8217;m suffering too.&#8221; And that way, you could tell people, &#8220;Look, we&#8217;re all in this together. Yeah, man, four patients that we&#8217;ve known forever, and now they&#8217;re not here.&#8221; That is a trauma. So let&#8217;s sit and process that, let&#8217;s feel the emotion. It&#8217;s okay to have grief. That&#8217;s normal. If you&#8217;re suppressing grief, that&#8217;s what&#8217;s not going to be good for you.</p>
<p>So providing the tools and resources to actually process that stuff will be important to mental health resources, et cetera, but just changing the culture to say it&#8217;s okay to feel these things. This is normal. In fact, if you don&#8217;t, maybe that&#8217;s the pathological state. And we ought to think about that. So again, I don&#8217;t have a magic answer, but I&#8217;d say that diving into the pure emotion of loss and grief&#8230; One of the things that happens when you go down any sort of self-realization or meditative path is strong emotions start to arise that were repressed by the mind for years and years and years. And they start to unrepress because the mind relaxes and the thought-based structures relax. And one of the things that can happen is you can feel unmitigated sorrow out of the blue, be driving and just burst into tears. And we have no societal container for that. So in medicine, it&#8217;s even worse. So we have to start building those containers and those structures to process.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Well, I want to dive a tiny bit deeper and ask you how. Because I&#8217;ve seen the response that people have had to individuals who say, &#8220;I need therapy,&#8221; or &#8220;I&#8217;m not able to work to my best today because of the emotional experience I had.&#8221; I mean, I&#8217;ve seen people, a physician get a diagnosis of cancer in the morning and come back and take care of her patients in the afternoon. I mean, I just keep feeling as though this problem is going to be so hard to burst through. How can we start?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, my gosh, man. I mean, that stuff is heartbreaking and you&#8217;ve seen it so much as leader of the group. I&#8217;ve seen it when I was on the front lines with my own team. And people I used to work with still email me and they go, &#8220;I&#8217;m at my wits end. I don&#8217;t know what to do. Do you have any advice?&#8221; And I think&#8230; Okay, I&#8217;m going to give you an answer that is going to be unsettling for some people and they&#8217;re not going to like it. But the truth is, I&#8217;m just going to tell you what I know. Recently, I did like a six day semi-silent meditation retreat led by another physician. And they were all healthcare professionals, about six or seven or eight doctors, many nurses, physical therapists. And this was just in November.</p>
<p>So COVID had been going on. People were traumatized and they came in. Many of them had never meditated and had never had this kind of practice, but they saw my show and they&#8217;re like, &#8220;You know what? I want to do this thing.&#8221; And what we found was people opened up and just torrents of emotion and sharing in the non-silent parts in the evening when we did group activities. And the being with yourself and processing that stuff, that unconscious stuff, in a safe space with other people who do what you do is so powerful, Robbie.</p>
<p>When the thing was done, many of them were saying this was the most powerful experience they&#8217;d had. And that they went back with renewed sort of resilience to their careers. That doesn&#8217;t mean that&#8217;s the single answer, but you can see how powerful unrepressing that stuff, having a safe space with your colleagues and doing the deep work of actually introspection. We tend to externalize everything. We project everything we say, &#8220;Oh, this is the problem. It&#8217;s this guy or that guy.&#8221; But when you actually look inside, it&#8217;s really all right there, and we create the world. So that&#8217;s my really questionable answer to that.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Your story, Zubin, reminds me of a talk I heard Yo Yo Ma give in Silicon Valley. And for any of our listeners who don&#8217;t know his background, he was a child prodigy. He performed from the age of four and a half. At something like five or six, he and his sisters gave a concert for President Kennedy at The White House. He&#8217;s recorded 90 albums, 19 Grammy Awards. He&#8217;s the best celloist of the time. At the event I attended, first he played a series of some of the most beautiful and moving cello pieces I&#8217;ve ever heard in my life.</p>
<p>But then he talked about four existential questions that he said he often thinks about. He said that he wonders first, who am I? Second, what am I grateful for? Third, what is my purpose? And fourth, what do I want? Sitting in the audience, Zubin, I wanted to scream at, &#8220;Who are you? You&#8217;re the greatest living celloist in the world! You&#8217;re a musical genius! What do you mean, who are you?&#8221; But I didn&#8217;t. Fortunately, I didn&#8217;t. But it did inspire me, somewhat similar to your six-day event, to ask myself these kinds of questions at various points in my life. So let me ask you, as a profession in the 21st century, as physicians today, first, who are we?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, these are the easy questions, Robbie. These are the easy questions. They&#8217;re very hard. So here, okay. I&#8217;ll give you two answers to this question that I&#8217;ve struggled with myself. There&#8217;s a deep who am I question, which is one of the spiritual questions that we ask, who am I? And when you actually investigate and look for yourself in the present moment, keep looking, keep looking, because you will not find a solid self there. And as you keep looking, you may find something really interesting, the real self. And so that&#8217;s answer one. That is a little woo-woo for this talk. Answer two is your authentic self, which is in this present moment, you&#8217;re an expression of reality, you are. And what is that? So Yo Yo Ma probably knew from a young age, &#8220;Look, this is who I am and being authentically me is standing on stage in front of the Kennedys with my sisters doing this and talking about it,&#8221; and so on.</p>
<p>Now, many of us in healthcare, we knew authentically. We were drawn to, it&#8217;s not something we chose. There was no agency involved in many ways. We were called to do this. And yet, we&#8217;re often made to compromise on what it is we know is authentically us. And I think that&#8217;s part of that moral injury component that we have to make these compromise. We have to do things we know are antithetical to, maybe not just&#8230; Forget about our interests and aptitudes. It&#8217;s more just what we fundamentally know we are, and that causes this tension, which you could call&#8230; The Buddhist will say is the nature of suffering that you&#8217;re diluting yourself by trying to be something you&#8217;re not. Now when you really&#8230; And that&#8217;s why I think that meditation thing was powerful because people could feel in. Like when I did it, what I realized was, I&#8217;ve often undervalued my own compassion.</p>
<p>I feel like I&#8217;m not compassionate enough. I can be a jerk. I&#8217;m self-centered, all these other like me, me, me, me, me, beating yourself up type of things. But during meditation, I realized, wow, there&#8217;s an infinite well of compassion there. And I do express it. And sometimes you have to forgive yourself. And when you do that, you can then be authentic. You can say sometimes there&#8217;s tough love, like being a little bit hard with people is an act of compassion. And again, that&#8217;s connecting with your authenticity. So how do we train or create&#8230; It&#8217;s hard to train, right? You create a space for people to be them. And that means again, giving them tools, resources, and autonomy to be who they are, which some of its systems change. But some of it is working on ourselves.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Are we healers, experts, teachers, businessmen and businesswomen? As a profession, who are we?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yes. All of those things. We could be any and all or none. I mean, we may be something totally different within there. And each person is different. Each person may have aspects of it. As a profession, I think it&#8217;s tough to paint us with a single brush. The people that we admire the most may have one or two or three of those aspects that are so powerful and we just really are drawn to it. And that&#8217;s why mentorship is so important, right? Because the mentors can show us who we, not only who we are, because that&#8217;s our aptitude or our draw, but who we can be. Right? So more mentorship, more openness about that stuff, and then we find out who we are.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>So then as doctors, what should we be grateful for?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Gratitude is a central practice. It actually is an anchor through all kinds of suffering. Anytime, I was just talking to my mother and she&#8217;s now entering our 80s. And my dad is in his 80s and they have their problems. They have health problems. They have problems with their house, the kind of things that happen with your elderly parents. And we were talking about it. And she said, &#8220;A year ago, I would&#8217;ve really been upset by all these things. And I would&#8217;ve stressed and we would&#8217;ve been anxious, and so on. But all I have to do is watch the news for five minutes to see people in Ukraine suffering, who didn&#8217;t ask for it. And I&#8217;m filled with the gratitude that I live here, where I have these first world problems and everything is great. It&#8217;s wonderful. It&#8217;s beautiful.&#8221;</p>
<p>So that gratitude practice is so powerful. In healthcare, the gratitude that you can be with people when they&#8217;re at their most vulnerable and they open up in a way they don&#8217;t do for anybody else, and they let you be with them in that sacred space. That is deep gratitude. The fact that you are, regardless of your loans and all of that, you&#8217;re actually doing okay overall in the grand scheme of things. And you get to do a trade that, there&#8217;s almost no other profession on the planet where you get this kind of connection with humans and get to help people this way, no matter what aspect of medicine you&#8217;re doing. So there&#8217;s an immense well of gratitude there that&#8217;s available if you choose to be aware, make yourself aware of it.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>If we&#8217;re going to deal with burnout, should we be expressing a lot more gratitude about the positive things that we have than I believe we are today? Or is that just too Pollyannish?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Ooh, burnout is such a&#8230; I mean, again, it&#8217;s that end stage of the chronic injury. So it has multiple facets. So yeah. Gratitude is a powerful prophylactic against&#8230; It&#8217;s like taking lisinopril when you have chronic hypertension. It&#8217;s going to protect your kidneys a little, protect your blood pressure and your heart a little bit, but it&#8217;s not the only answer. It&#8217;s a piece of it. You also have to stop eating the salt or stop stressing yourself out, so environment matters. Your own personal framing matters. And gratitude is a powerful piece of that. Some kind of spiritual practice, whether it&#8217;s prayer or meditation or looking at the night sky and with awe, whatever it is, that&#8217;s a piece of it. But then it&#8217;s also asking yourself, am I authentically me in this thing? And sometimes, Robbie, I hate to say this, but you got to stand up and say, &#8220;This isn&#8217;t me. I got to go do something else in medicine or out of medicine.&#8221;</p>
<p>And for some people that is the answer and they know it, they know it. I had an OB reach out the other day on Instagram. I was taking a ask me anything thing. And she just said, &#8220;Look, I&#8217;m an older, morally injured, upset obstetrician. Should I retire?&#8221; And I said, &#8220;You know the answer if you actually feel into it. You know what the answer is. So why are you asking? You&#8217;re really asking for permission to do what you know is right already, whatever that is.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>So that leads into the question of what&#8217;s our purpose? Because I&#8217;m thinking about that woman you just described. I&#8217;d hate to see her lose the purpose that she entered medicine for at the start of her career, maybe different ways she could express it. But as physicians, as doctors, what&#8217;s our purpose?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. It&#8217;s great. It&#8217;s a great framing of it because if she really feels into what her purpose is, she will figure out a way to fulfill it, authentically. My feeling is I really like what writer Jonathan Haidt, the same Elephant and Rider writer wrote about purpose. He says, &#8220;The meaning of life, it&#8217;s not without, so it&#8217;s not outside us. And it&#8217;s not even within us. You don&#8217;t find meaning within. You find meaning between.&#8221; So humans are, we&#8217;re relational creatures. We find meaning in the connections between us and others. And so when we feel into our authentic selves and then we express it in the world in a way that connects with other people, that&#8217;s all the meaning you need, even if everything is empty void and it means nothing in that sense, it means something in the relational sense right here and now in this second.</p>
<p>The universe, man, I showed my daughter a picture of the Andromeda Galaxy taken by Hubble. And as you zoom in at 8K on YouTube, you see every single star in that galaxy of a billion stars. And as you start to see, each of those stars has planets around it. And some of them probably have life. And you&#8217;re thinking, &#8220;God, I feel so small.&#8221; I could see her face start to just shrink in horror at the existential terror of that. What is my purpose when I&#8217;m this small? And then I told her, &#8220;Your purpose is right here. Look what&#8217;s happening right in this minute. You and I are having this connection. That&#8217;s a purpose. That&#8217;s all that matters. It&#8217;s right here right now.&#8221; So it&#8217;s the same with medicine, really focusing on what is and what our relations are with others. I think that&#8217;s where a lot of meaning can be found.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I believe, and I hope again, that I&#8217;m being realistic, that the purpose of medicine is around health and that medicine today is focused on disease. And I think that a lot of the burnout type of experience, the lack of fulfillment, the lack of satisfaction we have, is that we&#8217;re focusing on the wrong purpose. Any thoughts?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, I mean, I think you&#8217;re absolutely right. Now, what people would say on the front lines is, &#8220;Well, of course, Robbie and Zubin can say that because they&#8217;re not having to chart 40 patients a day, and click all these boxes, and to get yelled at for low productivity, and so on and so forth.&#8221; And so sometimes it&#8217;s tough to see the purpose from the immediate feeling of lack or of overwhelm or of stress. And that&#8217;s absolutely valid, but there are solutions to these problems if we work together with people who lead rather than just manage. Right?</p>
<p>So I do think reconnecting with what the purpose is means that you use technology to actually enable the purpose instead of using technology to enable an outside purpose of whatever it is, billing or nonsense like that. The technology ought to enable the human relationship that allows us to connect and heal with our patients and help each other. So if people have those tools, resources, and autonomy, then the purpose is the guiding beacon. But I think what we&#8217;ve done is we&#8217;ve made the purpose too skewed towards one thing or another, whether it be profit for an institution or whether it be quality measures that don&#8217;t measure quality, whatever it is, get those things right. And then the purpose shines through.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>We&#8217;re in complete agreement. I mean, I think the people who are experiencing these emotions, they&#8217;re the victims. There&#8217;s no question about that. The question is how to get from here to where we need to get to. And I think that by being able to understand the purpose and exactly what you said, figure out, how do we augment the things that we can do, use the technology to accomplish that, put together the teams to accomplish that? Then that is how we can eliminate our own pain, but more importantly, fulfill our purpose. So what do we want?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah. You&#8217;re the master of this, man. You&#8217;ve been doing this for so many years. I would be asking you this. But I&#8217;ll just say one thing, which is Garry Kasparov, right? With the chess champion who was defeated by Big Blue, the IBM AI, it was written about this quite a bit. He could have gone into a deep depression and felt a lack of purpose and so on when that computer beat him with mechanical intelligence. But what he said instead was, &#8220;No, this is a huge opportunity to use a tool, the AI, with a human, me, and I could beat anybody alive in any computer with that tool.&#8221; And that&#8217;s what we need in medicine is those tools, that technology that takes all the mechanical intelligence away, that it does it better than us.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just be honest. And so then we get to do what only humans do with our awareness, our comprehension, our emotion, our intuition, our connection, those are the things, and our intelligence, that computers will never have that comprehension. So that&#8217;s what we need is those tools and resources that enable us to do the job better. And that means better systems thinking better individual awareness and awakeness, all those things are connected and integrated. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s so hard. People say, &#8220;Oh, how do you solve this problem? It&#8217;s so complicated.&#8221; Well, you have to go in all the parts and they add up to bigger than the sum of the whole. So you have to work on everything.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I love the answers and I hope the listeners learned a lot from it. Jeremy, your question as the patient listening to this conversation.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>You both talked about grief and being authentic and being human. As patients, we often look up to doctors, especially in times of major crisis, such as early on in the pandemic, or if a loved one just got in a car accident as being almost above human, almost a godlike figure that can, I mean, essentially perform miracles, help us in our time of need and save lives. We expect perfection from doctors and almost stoic brilliance, but we expect human empathy from physicians, but we really do not allow them and maybe cannot allow them to be truly human. Humans get burned out at work, have marriage problems, have loved ones pass away, things that happen in their personal lives that can impact job performance. But we do not, as patients in our minds, view physicians as having the luxury of being human, making mistakes, having bad days. How do physicians deal with that pressure? And should patients look at physicians as being humans who can make mistakes? And is it dangerous to have patients lose that reverence for physicians? What are your thoughts?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Hmm. This is something that I&#8217;ve personally struggled with because there is this aura around the physician that actually has a potential healing piece to it. There&#8217;s this therapeutic alliance. Now, what I&#8217;ve learned over my years is that the more honest, open, and authentic I can be with patients, the more they actually are able to connect within parameters. You&#8217;re not going to behave the way you behave with say your best buddy when you&#8217;re at the gym or something, making jokes with a patient. That&#8217;s just never going to work, right? So there&#8217;s the use of humor. You have to be very careful, and thoughtful, and respectful with patients, but at the same time, some of it is an authentic expression of connection and a rapport. So I think what we, patients are already waking up to the idea that their doctors are not robots or superhuman, and they don&#8217;t want that, because a doctor who stares at the computer is not a good doctor in their mind.</p>
<p>They want their doctor to make eye contact, to show a little bit of connection, at least probably more than a little. Surgeons, they&#8217;re a little more lenient with, but in surgeons, maybe there&#8217;s different degrees of this for different professions, but I&#8217;ll tell you for internists in general, they want a little bit of that connection in humanity. And I think that&#8217;s one of the reasons that whatever I do online is vaguely popular. As I think people are like, &#8220;Oh, this guy&#8217;s not so uptight like a lot of doctors that I&#8217;ve met. Maybe he goes too far, actually, in the other direction.&#8221; But it&#8217;s a balance that we have to strike. And some of it is modulating patient expectations, which happen when there&#8217;s a million doctors on YouTube making videos that are a little bit funnier and more open.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>My answer, Jeremy, is to start with what the data says, which is that paternalism, and now maternalism, doesn&#8217;t work. The top-down approaches to work. We know that patients don&#8217;t take the medications as effectively as they should, as in terms of their best health. We know that they don&#8217;t often follow up on recommendations that will improve their health. The current system doesn&#8217;t work and yet we ignore it. And I think physicians don&#8217;t recognize the gap between what could be and what is, because they believe that it&#8217;s time-inefficient to establish a real relationship with the patient. But I think that that&#8217;s what&#8217;s necessary. If you don&#8217;t have that relationship, and you don&#8217;t build the trust, if you don&#8217;t build the trust, you don&#8217;t develop a level of commitment. And without the level of commitment, the healthcare system doesn&#8217;t move forward. And I believe that that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re seeing today.</p>
<p>And so I think it&#8217;s essential that physicians be able to be human. Now, the reality is the person who is sick has come to your office and you&#8217;re the healer role. You can go to someone else&#8217;s office and they become the healer for you. And you should do that as well. But if there is a complete lack of authenticity, to use Zubin&#8217;s word, or a complete lack of openness, then I think the patient leaves and feels like maybe they got some information, but they&#8217;re not sure that they&#8217;re really going to trust it, believe it, or follow up upon it. I think the teachings of the past around the lack of emotion was really a defense by doctors for their complete inability to treat almost every disease. I mean, if you think about it, doctors could repair lacerations for centuries. They could fix, put bones back in place.</p>
<p>After anesthesia came along, could do appendectomy. But the kinds of problems that we&#8217;re facing today, the kinds of treatments that we have, they are so complex that if we don&#8217;t invest the time upfront to educate patients, to make certain that they understand the disease they have, the treatment that will make it most likely to get better, if we don&#8217;t have a mutual commitment coming out of that meeting, I think it is going to fail. I think doctors wanted to protect themselves from their inability and their lack of success. They saw their job as telling patients. And I think we need to ask more and engage more. And I know a lot of listeners are going to say, &#8220;We don&#8217;t have time.&#8221; Somehow we find the time when the complications happen to treat the problems that ensue, we need to figure out how we can invest in the front to improve the outcomes of the back end, and minimize the need for rework and treatment of medical issues that could otherwise have been avoided.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Season seven of the Fixing Healthcare podcast focuses on the unwritten and outdated rules of American healthcare—many of which Dr. Marty Makary would badly like to see broken.</p>
<p>In this episode, the nationally renowned surgeon, author and educator sets his sights on the outrageous rules of medical education, healthcare spending, the “appropriateness of care” and much more.</p>
<p>With cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr, Dr. Makary shares his candid comments on the rules of American medicine that need to be broken.</p>
<h1 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Interview Highlights </u></strong></h1>
<h5><strong>On the ills of medical education</strong></h5>
<p>“The AAMC continues to inflict tremendous damage on a generation of young people, who are trying to learn how to be great doctors. They&#8217;re forcing them to do all of this rote memorization, and it comes at the exclusion of other important skill sets … The AAMC has too much power. It&#8217;s the concentration of power in medicine, it&#8217;s not healthy. And by the way, many of these organizations lack diversity. Look at the editorial board of the New England Journal of Medicine and JAMA, I think it was like one African-American out of 50 editors.”</p>
<h5><strong>On the cost crisis in healthcare </strong></h5>
<p>“Well, I think the cost crisis in healthcare is really a function of three factors. One is pricing failures in the marketplace that enable price gouging, and they also enable the second factor which is a giant growth of a middleman industry. This is a group of thousands of millionaires that we&#8217;ve created who are not patient facing, who are not contributing to patient outcomes … And finally, the third biggest driver of our cost crisis is care coordination.”</p>
<h5><strong>On the price of medicine</strong></h5>
<p>“Financial toxicity is a medical complication, and billing quality is medical quality. These are things that are measurable, but up till now, we&#8217;ve only been measuring infection rates and readmission rates. We&#8217;ve got to start measuring billing quality performance and the price of services.”</p>
<h5><strong>On end-of-life care</strong></h5>
<p>“I can point and show you in detail areas of waste in healthcare where anybody, doesn&#8217;t matter what political party they have allegiance to, will agree that it&#8217;s egregious, it&#8217;s corrupt, it should stop, and it is wrong. Now, there&#8217;s a lot of those things in healthcare, actually. There&#8217;s a lot of area where there&#8217;s broad consensus, but reining in inappropriate care at the end of life is one of the most challenging, because it is still and always will be an art form. It&#8217;s not something that can be managed with policies or rules.”</p>
<h5><strong>On the rat race in academic medicine</strong></h5>
<p>“There was a time in the medical profession where in order to get a medical degree in the English empire, you had to have a degree from Oxford or Cambridge, at a time when neither Oxford nor Cambridge offered pre-medical education. It was just a royal lineage, if you will. It was an oligarchy, and they had all of these rules and we still have these rules in American medicine. And many of them live in this so-called academic promotion process, and that is a major barrier in my opinion to scientific advancement. People playing the game to get promoted, and we see that a lot.”</p>
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		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/04/03/ctt-59-the-brain/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2022 01:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A group of researchers in the UK examined hundreds of brain scans that were taken both before and after people became infected with the coronavirus. The study, published in <em>Nature</em>, concluded that “there is strong evidence for <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04569-5">brain-related abnormalities</a> in Covid-19.” Some of the recorded disease effects included tissue damage, along with reductions in both grey matter and overall brain size, post-infection.</p>
<p>This study raises more questions for scientists and medical professionals about the possible long-term consequences of Covid-19. Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl examine these questions in this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>. You’ll find all the [time stamped] questions from this show in the notes below:</p>
<p><strong>[01:15] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[10:23]</strong> What’s the latest on Ivermectin, the Covid-19 treatment therapy?</p>
<p><strong>[14:41] </strong>How can patients distinguish science from pseudoscience?</p>
<p><strong>[16:48]</strong> <strong>Did researchers uncover data that shows brain damage after Covid-19 infection?</strong></p>
<p><strong>[18:06] </strong>What do we know about “long Covid” now?</p>
<p><strong>[21:12] </strong>Is the CDC finally agree with the WHO on vaccines?</p>
<p><strong>[23:18] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[27:15]</strong> Why are medical workers abandoning the profession?</p>
<p><strong>[29:55]</strong> How do employer vaccine requirements and mask mandates affect local businesses?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
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		<title>FHC #47: Diving deep into primary care &#038; health-tech</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/03/27/fhc-47-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2022 02:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back to the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> series, “Diving Deep,” which features a robust and probing discussion about some of healthcare’s most deep-seated problems.</p>
<p>In this episode, Dr. Robert Pearl Jeremy Corr talk about two areas of medicine where the existing “rules” seem out of date. The hosts begin with a bizarre norm in healthcare: that technologies must, above anything else, boost the status of the physician. That’s followed by another odd norm: that primary care physicians, the doctors who save the most lives, are among the least-valued in the profession.</p>
<p>For more information on these topics, check out Dr. Pearl’s latest healthcare columns on <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/">Forbes</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/breaking-the-healthcare-rules-6886483197157285888/">LinkedIn</a>. For listeners interested in show notes, each episode of this series will feature a time-stamped discussion guide (as follows):</p>
<p><strong>[01:07]</strong> Why is healthcare the only U.S. industry that has failed to use technology to lower prices or improve quality?</p>
<p><strong>[04:26]</strong> Why doesn’t medical technology improve life expectancy?</p>
<p><strong>[06:51]</strong> How are patients affected by the rules of health-tech?</p>
<p><strong>[08:58]</strong> Which technologies actually benefit patients?</p>
<p><strong>[12:36]</strong> What’s the difference between episodic and continuous medical care?</p>
<p><strong>[14:34]</strong> Which technology in medicine is most underutilized and undervalued?</p>
<p><strong>[18:37]</strong> How do we break the current rule of health-tech?</p>
<p><strong>[20:08]</strong> Why are primary care physicians undervalued in healthcare?</p>
<p><strong>[25:24]</strong> Can primary care solve our nation’s chronic disease crisis?</p>
<p><strong>[26:26]</strong> How do we break the outdated rule of primary care?</p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #46: An unfiltered look at medicine’s generational clash</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/03/21/fhc-46-unfiltered/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/03/20/fhc-46-unfiltered/"><strong><u>Unfiltered</u></strong></a>, a new show that brings together two iconic voices in healthcare for an unscripted, hard-hitting half hour of talk.</p>
<p>Twice, <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl </strong>has appeared on <em>The ZDoggMD Show</em> (see: <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgIZ8e4_SDQ"><strong>here</strong> </a></span>and <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oNUnssjEfs">here</a></strong></span>) opposite <strong>Dr. Zubin Damania</strong>, who hosts of the internet’s No. 1 medical news and entertainment show. And twice before, Damania had appeared the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast with Pearl and his cohost <strong>Jeremy Corr </strong>(see: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/08/08/episode-1-zdoggmd/"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>episode 1</strong></span></a> and <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/10/11/episode-26-zdoggmd-culture/">e<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>pisode 26</strong></span></a>).</p>
<p>In the first episode of their new show <u>Unfiltered</u>, part of the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> franchise, the duo dives into the differences—and similarities—between generations: from Boomers on up to Gen Z. Along the way, they discuss everything from techno-economic structures of healthcare to cancel culture to rap lyrics. Press play now or peruse the transcript below.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>UNFILTERED TRANSCRIPT</strong></p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:  </strong></p>
<p>Welcome to Unfiltered, our newest program in our weekly Fixing Healthcare podcast series. Joining us each month will be Dr. Zubin Damania, known to many as ZDoggMD. For 25 minutes, he and Robbie will engage in unscripted and hard-hitting conversation about art, politics, entertainment and much more. As nationally recognized physicians and healthcare policy experts, they’ll apply the lessons they extract to medical practice. I’ll then pose a question for the two of them as the patient, based on what I’ve heard. Robbie, why don’t you kick it off?</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Zubin, welcome back to the Fixing Healthcare show.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Dang, Robbie, I&#8217;m ready to get Unfiltered. I don&#8217;t know what that means, but we&#8217;re going to do it.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Okay. Let&#8217;s begin in a place you love, Broadway. I had the chance to see a remarkable show called The Lehman Trilogy. It traced the history of the Lehman brothers from when the first generation came to the U.S., middle of the 19th century. And then it ended at the financial collapse in the first part of the 21st. What was most interesting was the continual clash of generation. Three brothers began in the South manufacturing clothes from cotton, but the next generation, it realized that it was more profitable to become transporters of cotton from the South to the industrialized North. Then the next generation recognizes it&#8217;s more profitable to be the financiers of industry and they start banking. Then the next generation says, &#8220;Why not expand to all businesses?&#8221; And they create the stock exchange, or contribute to its founding.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>And, finally, the company no longer at this point led by the family, introduces an array of financial products that ultimately proved to be Lehman&#8217;s downfall. What was so powerful to me was watching this inevitable clash. Each generation with the one that follows, one generation holding onto power, the other one coming of age, embracing change, and rejecting the values of their parents. I&#8217;d like to start by hearing your thoughts on this issue of the generations battling, whether it&#8217;s society overall, or how it plays out in medical practice. What are your thoughts, Zubin?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Man, I love generational conflict because first of all, it&#8217;s entertaining. Second of all, it is an indicator of the natural evolutionary process of everything, like the entire universe unfolds this way. So you have generation one, let&#8217;s call them the boomers, for example, who did things a certain way. They were actually the rebels of their time. They pushed the envelope. In the &#8217;60s the emergence of this sort of cultural revolution and the plurality and multiculturalism and postmodernism and all of that. They were the leading edge of that evolutionary chain. And then the generations that followed kind of emerged, and each of them takes a tact of first kind of learning what the previous generation kind of did. And then dis-identifying from it saying, &#8220;Oh, this has this many problems, and I don&#8217;t really like this, and this is not how I want to live.&#8221; And then trying to grab a foothold in something new and saying, &#8220;Okay, well, no, this is what we are.&#8221; And identifying with that.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think where that becomes healthy is where you integrate what the previous generation was able to do and actually say, &#8220;Yeah, that was necessary, but it&#8217;s partial. We need to keep striving for whatever truth is.&#8221; But if you don&#8217;t integrate it, if you just reject it and you never integrate it, then you&#8217;re in a difficult situation, then you have this kind of conflict. Now I think some of that&#8217;s inevitable, but some of it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>As I started growing older in medicine and having house staff you could watch this play out. First, you have me, Gen X and then you start having millennials and you see a kind of a contrast in styles and expectations in sort of work ethic in a sense of it&#8217;s not that the work ethic isn&#8217;t there. It&#8217;s just it&#8217;s a different balance of what they want. They&#8217;re quite clear of saying, &#8220;I actually want to learn.&#8221; Whereas, we were like, &#8220;Well, whatever we need to do, we&#8217;ll do to kind of power through.&#8221; And so this kind of conflict to me it&#8217;s fascinating. I think it&#8217;s necessary to some degree, but understanding it allows us to actually transcend to a more integrative evolutionary approach to generational kind of thinking.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>One of the things that&#8217;s fascinating to me is how the events of the time so shape a group of individuals. As you mentioned, you have the boomers, they watched a man land on the moon, and President Kennedy talking about getting to space in less than a decade, anything&#8217;s possible. And Gen X this is the latchkey generation. They watched the breakup of the family. I&#8217;m not so sure anymore that this hard pushing is the best thing for people. Gen Y comes along and there&#8217;s 9/11, the world, it could collapse at any moment. And then Gen Z, the people who grew up during the 2008 recession. Now they&#8217;re moving back, look a lot more than the boomers.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>My sense is that the underlying motivation of people doesn&#8217;t change. It&#8217;s not that one generation is more purpose-driven or mission focused. No, it&#8217;s how it&#8217;s presented out. Is it going to be in the external world? Is it going to be in the family? Is it going to be an accomplishment? Is it going to be individual? And I fear a little bit, and this is overall, but medicine in particular that we personalize it in a negative way. My approach is better rather than understanding how as humans, we&#8217;re all shaped by what&#8217;s around us. What&#8217;s your sense?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s like every disease is biopsychosocial. It has biomedical component. It has psychological component. It has social and technological components and environmental components. Everything in generational thinking is exactly that. For example, for me, Gen X we were shaped by our memories are the Challenger disaster, and the &#8217;80s. And like you said, the sort of slow decline of family, the culture wars, these kind of things kind of shaped us and destabilized us to some degree, but I think that interaction with the system, the environment, the techno-economic structure.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>In healthcare, it becomes really fascinating because you have Gen Z now and Gen Y that have a very different upbringing than we did. They are digital natives. They started with an iPhone in their hand, the Gen Zers. And they&#8217;re entering a system where we have fax machines still. We have pagers still. We have this archaic set of payment models and CPT codes, and all this stuff. And they look at it and they cannot understand why this exists, and that pushback that they might feel, or might exhibit can be interpreted through the older generation&#8217;s lens as you&#8217;re just not paying your dues. You don&#8217;t understand, this is how we&#8217;ve done it. And we got stuck with this crap and you should too, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the right way to look at it.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>What we have to do is understand that both the techno-economic structures of healthcare and everything, and society have to adjust and vibrate along with the generation that&#8217;s coming into being, that&#8217;s going to be the predominance of the workforce, and all that, instead of us, like a lot of Gen X attendings now are just, &#8220;Oh my gosh, these millennials and these Gen Zers they&#8217;re impossible to deal with.&#8221; I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the right way to look at it at all nor is it for a Gen Z-er. It&#8217;s usually millennials looking at boomers going, &#8220;Yeah, okay, boomer, you guys wrecked everything. You guys don&#8217;t even know what you&#8217;re doing. Like, let us handle this.&#8221; That&#8217;s the wrong way to look at it too.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m just so excited I have to tell you about Gen Z. If I were back in college, I&#8217;d study Mandarin, because I&#8217;d see that as what the future world is going to be rather than what was in the past. I&#8217;d be really interested in this narrowing of the line between humans and robots and seeing a world in which we actually will interact with these technologically created creatures that biologically don&#8217;t exist, and yet in so many psychosocial ways do. It&#8217;s interesting that I somehow have this view of the future rather than the view of the present and the past. I think it&#8217;s true for you too, Zubin. Am I right?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, this merging of, so you cannot separate our tools and toys and technologies from us. We are intertwined with that. I recently had a guy named Daniel Schmachtenberger on my show. And we talked about this, that technology and society those structures feed back on the human mind. They feed back on us in ways that evolve us that are beyond our DNA, actually. Although, some of it is our DNA, methylation, and these sort of Lamarckian effects on our DNA, but the truth is even beyond that we are absolutely changed by these structures, so we ought to actually approach the future with kind of a mix of kind of techno optimism, like let&#8217;s design systems that actually encourage the kind of outcomes that we want as a people, which right now we haven&#8217;t done.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>With social media, we haven&#8217;t done that. We&#8217;ve encouraged fear of missing out. We&#8217;ve encouraged bad body image. We&#8217;ve encouraged division and polarity with those structures because they are purely incentivized by money. So we have to change those sort of incentives and structures to understand what you&#8217;re saying, right, Robbie? Like to actually respect that so that we can create a world that actually is what we want as opposed to what&#8217;s just going to happen to us.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way we can stop the progress, and so I agree with you completely. We should be trying to shape it in the best way power and recognize that some of it is beyond our simple control. Zubin, you are a musical genius. At some point on this show I&#8217;d love to have you sing for people and rap for people, but let me ask you now just for your perspective on the evolution of music in a generational context. Elvis to hip hop to heavy metal to rap, where are we? What&#8217;s coming next? What is exciting to you in the musical world?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Man, this is, and by the way, I&#8217;m a real crappy musician, but the bar in healthcare is quite low. So all I have to do is show up and I&#8217;m going to rap over a track, and I&#8217;m probably okay, but in the real world I would die instantly. So what I think about this is fascinating. It&#8217;s almost like karma, right? Cause and effect, like everything you do kind of ripples out and has effects on everything else. And it&#8217;s all a web of interdependency.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So Elvis was basing his music on black music and blues and jazz, and that evolved into rock and roll, and that evolved into Prog rock, and that evolved into hip hop, and all these things kind of are interdependent. Everything is appropriating from everything else. When you talk to any good musician, the first thing they&#8217;ll do is tell you who their influences are. They never say, &#8220;Oh, I just made this stuff up from scratch.&#8221; No, they go, &#8220;No, no. I listen to this. I listen to that. I listen to this.&#8221; And they process it through their unconscious and out it comes. They open a hole in the universe. They take all this input and outcome something completely novel that&#8217;s actually made of these building blocks. So music is like that.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>So that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s funny as I get older, Robbie, I listen to new music and I go, &#8220;God, this sounds just like this, this sound just like this, this sounds just like this.&#8221; Because you start to pick out that karmic influence from all the generations before because you have the age and perspective to see it. Whereas, I think young people they&#8217;re just like, &#8220;This is my music. This is brand new. This has never happened.&#8221; And as they get older, they start to put it into the context of this evolutionary chain of music that&#8217;s beautiful. I mean, it goes back to the beginning of art the earliest Gregorian chanting, and before that cave singing, and all that, it all is this uninterrupted line as far as I see it.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I read that unless you&#8217;re exposed to new music early in your life you&#8217;re never going to be able to embrace it. That there&#8217;s a cerebral neurobiological way that music gets incorporated into your brain, and yet you seem to keep evolving. I mean, I think the Super Bowl halftime show was one of your most favorite musical events. Is this your experience, or are you able to keep taking in the newest forms of music and finding value inside them?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a real challenge. I think that this window to novelty starts to close in our 30s. There&#8217;s been some data around that that if we&#8217;re not exposed to something new before we start hitting our 30s that novelty window closes and we&#8217;re more resistant. And some of it may just be biological conditioning. Some of it may be some other effects, but my experience is musicians who are the most open-minded they already emotionally personality wise they&#8217;re born with a set of tools, high openness to experience these kind of personality traits that allow them to be open to different things.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>And they&#8217;ll often say, &#8220;Oh, my parents played all kinds of music in the house, or my father was a musician,&#8221; or something like that. And that often opened their it&#8217;s like learning, like you said, you&#8217;d learn Mandarin. Like if you learn a bunch of languages before you&#8217;re 10, they&#8217;re really easy to learn. Once you get older the window of plasticity starts to close. It doesn&#8217;t close entirely. It never does, but it does make it harder. And I think the same is true with music. So some of the best musicians are the ones that had the most musical exposure when they were young.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>For me watching that Super Bowl show was like a take back to 1993. I was elated as a generational thing as Gen X going, &#8220;Oh, that was our music.&#8221; That was when I was in college. That&#8217;s when we were this was the edgiest, craziest music, and now it seems like classic rock it&#8217;s so crazy tame. And to watch them do it in the Super Bowl, and really crush it was just a lot of fun really kind of elating to see.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard that 50% of all music is about love either the unrequited love, the fulfilled love, the early love, the late love, the good love, the bad love. Does the music shape our view of relationships, or is that something, again, that we should be leading and directing?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Ooh, what a lovely question. Man, I haven&#8217;t thought about this enough, but I&#8217;d say this, that it&#8217;s an epiphenomenon of our relationships and it also does shape our relationships. And in some ways it&#8217;s unhealthy because the concepts of romantic love often espoused in music are reductionist and a little cliche, and they don&#8217;t take into account the broad breadth of how humans are. So in a way romantic love is so interesting to begin with because you can contrast it in a meditative experience, or a spiritual context unconditional love, where you feel absolute acceptance unconditionally for all beings where we&#8217;re all one thing. And that kind of love feels very different than romantic love, which is in many ways kind of conditional and kind of dependent, and is dualistic in the sense that it has its highs, and then it has its very much lows, right? So music captures that because music is the emotional human state in a crystallized vibratory form. That&#8217;s why it triggers emotions, but it also is created by emotions in a way. So it&#8217;s mutually interdependent in my mind.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to ask you a question that I would hesitate to ask to almost anyone else, but I&#8217;m very interested/really concerned about racism in medicine. I was at a karaoke club, believe it or not, about two weeks ago. And a lot of the songs were rap songs. And if they had come out of individuals who were white they would have been very offensive, I believe. Of course, the singers were black in this particular case. How do you view the language sitting in rap today that sits on this boundary around racism?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;s interesting because you&#8217;re talking about the N-word, which is used profusely, I think, in rap music. And it is, it&#8217;s not a word that say a Caucasian person, or me as an Indian American can use. It&#8217;s not a word that I think we can use. Now, in the music it&#8217;s interesting because it is in cadence, in incisiveness, in context of the experience of that community in the rap it is the perfect word in many ways. And so that&#8217;s the tension there and that&#8217;s art. Art is that kind of tension, the tension between society, between the social structures, between the weight of history, and between that performance in the present moment, right? So I think there&#8217;s no single answer to this. And if you asked 20 people they&#8217;ll all tell you different things depending on their background, their race, their own lived experience.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I recently had a doc named Ian Tong on my show who is the chief medical officer of a company called Included Health. And he&#8217;s written extensively on race and medicine. He&#8217;s a black physician and he talked quite powerfully about his own experience. And I think what we have to do is listen to these perspectives and see how we can incorporate change in a systemic way, but at the same time we have to be careful about the reverse, where we&#8217;re starting to attack and marginalize say Caucasian people based on their race. Like we&#8217;re just assuming you&#8217;re a racist, we&#8217;re assuming this. And it just becomes this very self-fulfilling prophecy and a big mess. So I think just being open and authentic and honest in our conversations is 90% of the battle. And trying to really inhabit the other person&#8217;s lived experience and position as an empathic sort of exercise is crucial.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>When I was on your incredible podcast I think it&#8217;s the best one in all of healthcare. Congratulations on it.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give you that honor, Robbie. Actually, my podcast kind of sucks for healthcare.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>You asked me a question about racism. We talked about the fact that early in the pandemic that when there was a shortage of testing kits that physicians under-tested black patients that when two patients came to the ER with the same symptoms, one a white patient, one a black patient, the likelihood was that the white patient got tested twice as often. And we talked about the nature of implicit bias that it&#8217;s biological most likely dating back 20,000 years we were cave people. Someone shows up at the door to the cave. We have a nanosecond to decide whether it&#8217;s someone we should welcome in and feed or throw a spear at because they&#8217;re coming to kill us. And that that biological piece isn&#8217;t an excuse for racism.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>And most importantly, that not recognizing it and not putting in place systems to be able to address it and prevent it that was racism. And I see that in medicine today. I see artificial intelligence as possibly being able to say, &#8220;Zubin, when you take care of this patient, usually you prescribe ex dose of medication. This patient you&#8217;re prescribing half of the pain medication, even though the pain is likely the same, do you want to reconsider?&#8221; And I don&#8217;t see medicine either acknowledging it. I mean, you can find it in the literature, but acknowledging it in how it&#8217;s changing. I don&#8217;t see residency building it into place. I don&#8217;t see technology coming in. I&#8217;m concerned and we&#8217;re seeing it in the data, women&#8217;s mortality who are black women in labor. We&#8217;re seeing this problem continue and actually become worse on what I&#8217;ve seen recently. Your thoughts on how we can best address racism in American medicine today?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I mean, this is a massive topic. One thing you mentioned about AI is interesting because it&#8217;s a double-edged sword. AI is only as good as the information you feed it. And actually it can lead to perpetuating systemic bias if it&#8217;s fed information that is innately incomplete, or biased, and this has been something that&#8217;s been documented in AI in medicine too. And so what I think this is tricky because there are a lot of like sort of like when we point a temperature gun at someone&#8217;s head when they&#8217;re coming into a restaurant and we call that COVID screening, that&#8217;s called hygiene theater, right? It&#8217;s not really doing much of anything, but people feel better by having done it.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think some of the techniques and things that they&#8217;re doing in medicine are along those lines. They make people feel like, well, we&#8217;re doing something about race, but it&#8217;s really not doing anything. And what we really need to do is what you&#8217;re saying, which is look at our systemic structures and see, okay, are these contributing to this situation? And also we have to be careful about reductionist diagnoses of what&#8217;s going on because sometimes we&#8217;re missing a broader problem that is contributing to an outcome, right? Because we want equality of opportunity everywhere we can. And so any way we can knock down barriers to that equality of opportunity we need to look at systems that do that, but it&#8217;s hard, man. It&#8217;s really hard. And people don&#8217;t even want to talk about it because it makes them uncomfortable.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Whereas, every time when I would round and we&#8217;d have a multiracial team, which was every time, right? I would talk about race all the time because I wanted to put it. And by the end, everyone was like, &#8220;This is our culture. This is what we do.&#8221; And even just having an open dialogue and people are afraid. I could get away with it because I&#8217;m off white, right? So I felt like, oh, I can say this. I don&#8217;t feel bad about it. I think a lot of Caucasian people feel bad about doing that. They&#8217;re nervous about it. And I think we have to get over that too. And that&#8217;s going to take some generations probably.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I heard an interesting dialogue between two physicians. The first one, this is relative to the issue of change how fast we can make it. One said, &#8220;Rome, wasn&#8217;t built in a day.&#8221; And the other one said, &#8220;But it could have been.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I like that, could have. That sounds like Gen Y right there. Just get on Instagram and take a selfie of you with Rome, and there it is, it exists, it&#8217;s there in the picture.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>How fast can we, and should we evolve the American healthcare system?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Man, if I could wave a magic wand, I would just start entirely fresh. And that includes medical education. And that includes our concept of what wellness and health actually mean because that&#8217;s a cultural and personal context. And, again, biopsychosocial, there&#8217;s a whole wave of that. So if I could do it, I would completely reboot it, so I&#8217;m in the camp of like, hey, it could have been built in a day, right? Because in a way, trying to undo these legacy systems at some point it just gets to be you&#8217;re banging your head against the wall, which we&#8217;ve been doing for quite some time.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>At the same time it&#8217;s very destabilizing to even talk like that. Markets would collapse if we suddenly did that, although we&#8217;d get a lot of our GDP back, probably. So I&#8217;m somewhere in the middle on that. I think we need real disruptive change, but at the same time, we&#8217;re going to have to work with structures that we have. And we&#8217;re going to have to work with a legacy population of healthcare professionals that have been conditioned and cultured in a system that is no longer going to exist if we do things right.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>So I&#8217;d like to return one last time to the generational questions. You have a massive following on your podcast. How many people follow your podcast now?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Well, on Facebook, it&#8217;s about 2.5 million. YouTube, about half a million. Instagram, about half a million.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing you have a pretty broad population of generations, ages, et cetera.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Do you see, do you hear, do people respond differently based upon the generations, and if so, how is that?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Yeah, actually they do. And each platform has a different age mix. Instagram skews younger. YouTube skews more male and younger. Facebook skews female and older. And they all respond to different, like, I can put the same piece out on different platforms and the response may be a viral million hits on one, and 5,000 meh with no comments on another. And so different generations do respond to different material quite differently whether it&#8217;s a music video from a certain era, or whether it&#8217;s just a topic that they&#8217;re interested in or not interested in and there are gender differences for sure. So it&#8217;s a real cross section of all of healthcare actually are following. Some of it depends, too, on what their profession is. Nurses respond differently than doctors respond differently than physical therapists respond differently than respiratory therapists. So there&#8217;s just so much diversity there. It&#8217;s almost impossible to know what&#8217;s going on so you just try to talk about stuff you care about authentically.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>In the end my conclusion based upon everything I&#8217;ve just heard from you is that everyone is motivated to make positive changes happen. It happens across generations. It happens across training and backgrounds. And I think that the separations that we have done personalizing it around your generation is a problem. My generation is right. I think it&#8217;s standing in the way and I would encourage you on your show and continuing in our conversation on this show to look at the similarities, to find the ways that the motivation is the same. The driver is the same because as you&#8217;ve said, I have had really wonderful experiences in my medical career in training residents and working with colleagues regardless of the particular year they were born. We should understand those influences, but we shouldn&#8217;t let them stay in the way. That&#8217;s my view of generations. Closing thoughts by you.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s spot-on. I think we should embrace these differences as part of the normal evolutionary wave of how humans are and try to really, really put ourselves in each other&#8217;s shoes. So if we can really feel what it&#8217;s like growing up as I say a Gen Z, you can actually feel a lot of love and compassion for their struggle too, as well as the opportunities that they have. I think we&#8217;re in a spot to do that, but I do think that we get calcified as we get older and we&#8217;re more resistant to that kind of thing. Whereas, the younger generations, I mean, we ought to just make it a cultural norm that that&#8217;s how we behave.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>ZDogg and Robbie, you guys talked about the generational differences in healthcare. One thing I hear frequently in many industries is that the younger generations are too self-obsessed, self-righteous and arguably fragile, especially on social media. Social media is obviously a blessing and a curse. It gives people the ability to share with the masses in a way they&#8217;ve never done before, but also to attack and cancel people for what they believe is wrong things like never before.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
<p>We see people raising awareness for humanitarian crises all over the globe, but also mobs of people canceling people for things they tweeted, or said back when they were in high school. People feel so righteous to band together with people and be part of a cause on social media. I mean, we&#8217;ve seen misinformation spread as well as way, way, way too much censorship on topics that later are proven to be true. What do you both feel is kind of that right mix of outspoken step, or being able to speak their mind versus censorship versus kind of how the different generations see and use social media as well as kind of some of the pros and cons about it?</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>Well, this is like one of the fundamental things we really try to address on our show is this idea of social media as a technological tool that kind of, again, vibrates with each generation differently in that it really does hack our limbic system. It&#8217;s a race to the bottom of the brainstem. We have these hyper normal stimuli in the form of these social media things along with this weaponized tribalism in the form of likes, dislikes. We almost instantiate these collective hive minds based on individual neurons, which are like, dislike, that&#8217;s our neurotransmitter in these social networks.</p>
<p><strong>Zubin Damania:</strong></p>
<p>And so you have generations now that are being judged on dumb stuff they said when they were 13, who didn&#8217;t? If you could pull up everything and I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s stuff somewhere circulating around that I&#8217;ve said when I was 14, I would be done in this climate. They would eliminate me from the face of the earth and the truth is that&#8217;s not okay because these are neuroplastic children at that age too, right? So they can&#8217;t be judged on that. We should be able to be our authentic selves, but we should also have to, again, deal with the consequences of what we say, but not in a way where the mob comes and cancels you. And, look, I&#8217;ve been the victim of cancellation. I&#8217;ve tried to cancel other people. It&#8217;s so seductive on social media, Jeremy. We need to change those social media incentives in order to make it a little better. I think we can absolutely do that. There&#8217;s much smarter technology out there that can be used to actually generate consensus and connection as opposed to polarization and cancellation.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>What I see is technology becomes ever more powerful whether you want to look at Moore&#8217;s law doubling every two years, and what you&#8217;re seeing right now is incredibly powerful technology that can be used for good or bad. Technology isn&#8217;t an intrinsic force around morality or immorality. It&#8217;s simply a tool that people apply and societies and civilizations have to figure out how to use it. You can think of it as a nuclear power that can generate electricity to light the homes without affecting climate across the globe, or you can think about it as a tool to destroy civilization. I think the time has really come for us to ask how do we want to use this powerful tool? I believe for the best in people. I think we under-utilize it in medicine. I think we probably over-utilize it as Zubin has said in people&#8217;s early lives. Finding the right balance will be difficult. Everyone wants a simple solution, a clean solution. It doesn&#8217;t exist. This force will happen. It will grow stronger. And we, as humans will have to decide whether we control it, or it controls us.</p>
<p><strong>Robert Pearl:</strong></p>
<p>Zubin, it&#8217;s been great. I can&#8217;t wait for next month. This has been a fascinating view to me of the millennials and the Gen Xers, and the boomers, and the future Gen Zs. And now the new Gen A that is coming along. The world will be very different in the future. Together I&#8217;m hoping we can make it better. And as I always say at the end of my shows together we can make American medicine once again the best in the world. Thank you for being our guest today.</p>
<p><strong>Jeremy Corr:</strong></p>
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		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/03/13/fhc-45-ian-morrison/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2022 03:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast welcomes back <strong>Ian Morrison</strong>, a globalist, futurist and popular returning guest who, in Season 1, taught us that “<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2019/01/07/episode-6-ian-morrison/">every healthcare system sucks in its own unique way</a></strong></span>.”</p>
<p>Now in Season 7, podcast cohosts <strong>Jeremy Corr </strong>and <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> are focused on breaking the unwritten rules that hold doctors (and the entire U.S. healthcare system) back.</p>
<p>They asked Ian for practical tips on breaking the rules that currently govern: healthcare technology, the revenue obsession in hospitals, the incumbency of industry leaders and asymmetry of information between doctors and patients.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h2 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Ian Morrison Interview Highlights </u></strong></h2>
<h5><strong> On the challenge of breaking the rules</strong></h5>
<p>“I think the resistance of an industry [must be overcome], because I think the unwritten rule of medicine … is that this is not a profit maximizing industry. It&#8217;s a revenue maximizing industry. It seems to me all these board retreats in hospitals, every single one of them has in their top five imperatives ‘growth’ and guess what? We grow. The revenue keeps going up … And I think the U.S. is sort of addicted to growth. And the other one I would point to is addicted to self-insured employers, writing a very big check, massively larger than the actual cost of delivering care. I think those are the two sort of fundamental issues that we need to reevaluate.”</p>
<p><strong style="color: #333333; font-family: Raleway, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 0.9375rem; text-transform: uppercase;">On the biggest threat to changing healthcare</strong></p>
<p>“I think incumbency … I always say, if you&#8217;re going to disrupt American healthcare, the American healthcare system is larger than the entire Italian economy and about as well organized, right? So if you&#8217;re going to disrupt healthcare, it&#8217;s a bit like disrupting Italy, good luck with that … The thing that prevents us from doing it is incumbency, quite frankly. And we have a lot of institutions who are on this revenue-maintenance track. And it&#8217;s very hard to disrupt that at the scale that we currently have invested in the American healthcare system. Not that it&#8217;s all wasteful, but that there is considerable power to that incumbency.”</p>
<p><strong style="color: #333333; font-family: Raleway, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 0.9375rem; text-transform: uppercase;">On the problem with consumerism in healthcare</strong></p>
<p>“It&#8217;s a tough industry because of the asymmetry of information. You&#8217;re a doctor, you know stuff I don&#8217;t know as a patient. And therefore, as a transaction, when I&#8217;m purchasing health services or I&#8217;m seeking health advice, I really have to rely on your agency to help me get through the difficult times. And that tends to be the experience patients have, having been a patient not that long ago, you cease to be sort of a rational consumer and become a kind of frightened human where you defer to expertise. And I think that is a fundamental barrier that exists to actually having a more market-like or consumer-responsive health system. But that shouldn&#8217;t excuse us in healthcare.”</p>
<h5><strong>On the drop off in telemedicine usage</strong></h5>
<p>“If all we do is pave the cow path, in other words, substitute an e-visit or telehealth visit for an in-person visit, all we&#8217;ve done is really save travel time and parking, right? What we really want [are] productivity enhancers. And I think that requires … rethinking end-to-end clinical processes to be more digital in their mix. And that&#8217;s easy to say as a futurist, it&#8217;s hard to do because it really requires rethinking the way in which clinical services are organized and delivered … It takes clinicians with the right technological support to really redesign those delivery models for the future.”</p>
<h5><strong>On the unaffordability of healthcare today</strong></h5>
<p>“In 1970, if you provided health benefits to a family, it cost about 10% of the minimum wage. Today, it&#8217;s 150% of the minimum wage. And … what that leads to in terms of behavior, particularly with the rise of high deductible health plans, has been people foregoing care and about a third of Americans claim they do that. And it was exacerbated through the pandemic … I think the long-term answer of affordability is change the way we do what we do, which is what you and Robbie, I think are trying to do with this series is to draw attention that to fix healthcare, you&#8217;ve got to actually fix the care-delivery process going forward.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Ian-Morrison_Episode-45.pdf"><strong>READ: Full transcript with Ian Morrison</strong></a></span></p>
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<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>CTT #58: Are Covid-19 restrictions gone for good?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2022 21:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>After more than two years of Covid-19 restrictions, most parts of the country are dropping mask mandates per <a href="https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-03-04/cdc-guidance-over-90-of-u-s-population-can-drop-masks"><strong>new CDC guidance</strong></a>. It seems government officials are more confident than ever that life is returning to normal.</p>
<p>“With 75% of adult Americans fully vaccinated and hospitalizations down by 77%, most Americans can remove their masks, return to work, stay in the classroom, and move forward safely,” said President Biden during his <strong><a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/03/01/remarks-of-president-joe-biden-state-of-the-union-address-as-delivered/">State of the Union</a> </strong>address on March 1.</p>
<p>But are we really out of the woods? Cases of a highly transmissible<strong> <a href="https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-03-01/cdc-data-ba-2-or-stealth-omicron-cases-doubling-every-week-in-the-u-s">omicron subvariant (the BA.2 or “stealth” variant)</a> </strong>are doubling in the U.S. every week, now accounting for 8% of all new infections. Will removing our masks give way to yet another wave?</p>
<p>Jeremy Corr and Dr. Pearl examine the present and future of Covid-19 restrictions in this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>. You’ll find that discussion along with these [time stamped] questions:</p>
<p><strong>[01:03] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[05:35]</strong> Is a fourth vaccine shot on the way?</p>
<p><strong>[06:54]</strong> How has the war in Ukraine affected Covid-19 coverage and concern in the U.S.?</p>
<p><strong>[08:53]</strong> Masks: do we need them anymore?</p>
<p><strong>[10:57]</strong> How did the Covid-19 pandemic begin, based on new findings?</p>
<p><strong>[13:22]</strong> Any truth to the rumor that Covid-19 vaccine can lead to sudden hearing loss?</p>
<p><strong>[16:56]</strong> Does the Pfizer vaccine work in kids under 5?</p>
<p><strong>[20:51] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[22:26] </strong>Beyond Covid-19: Do Americans get the healthcare they pay for?</p>
<p><strong>[28:05]</strong> How are local communities handling vaccinate and mask mandates now?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/03/06/ctt-58-covid-19-restrictions/">CTT #58: Are Covid-19 restrictions gone for good?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #44: Diving deep into how we select and pay American doctors</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/02/27/fhc-44-diving-deep/</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2022 23:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the new <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> series, “Diving Deep,” which features a robust and probing discussion about some of healthcare’s most deep-seated problems. With cohosts <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> and<strong> Jeremy Corr</strong>, this series will be hard-hitting, honest and undoubtedly controversial.</p>
<p>In this episode, Pearl and Corr talk about two areas of medicine where the existing “rules” seem out of date. It begins with an up-close look at how medical schools and residency programs select future doctors, a process that quickly reveals itself as obsolete in the 21st century. That’s followed by an in-depth review of the current (and outdated) rule used to determine how doctors are paid.</p>
<p>For more information on these topics, check out Dr. Pearl’s latest healthcare columns on<strong> <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/">Forbes</a> </strong>and <strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/breaking-the-healthcare-rules-6886483197157285888/">LinkedIn</a></strong>.</p>
<p>For listeners interested in show notes, each episode of this series will feature a time-stamped discussion guide (as follows):</p>
<p><strong>[01:00]</strong> Before we dive deep, what are the “unwritten rules” of healthcare?</p>
<p><strong>[02:01] </strong>How do these rules impact doctors and patient care?</p>
<p><strong>[03:52]</strong> What’s the rule for selecting and training future physicians?</p>
<p><strong>[06:10] </strong>Why is this rule now obsolete?</p>
<p><strong>[07:43]</strong> How do we break this rule and bring it into the 21st century?</p>
<p><strong>[10:38] </strong>Next rule: What’s wrong with paying physicians this way?</p>
<p><strong>[13:27] </strong>Diving deeper, how exactly do doctors get paid?</p>
<p><strong>[15:04]</strong> Does this payment rule lead to physician burnout?</p>
<p><strong>[17:23]</strong> After 90+ years, is it really possible to change the rule?</p>
<p><strong>[21:08]</strong> What are the pros of a relationship-based payment model?</p>
<p><strong>[21:58]</strong> Can we make docs happier <em>and</em> lower healthcare costs?</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>CTT #57: How do Covid-19 vaccines alter fertility, childbirth, menstrual cycles?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/02/21/ctt-57-menstrual-cycles/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Research on 4,000 women over six months found that Covid-19 vaccines are linked to a small increase in menstrual cycle length. Such a delay is common when a woman’s body mounts an immune response, says cohost Dr. Robert Pearl.</p>
<p>Other scientific studies have examined the link between vaccine status in pregnant mothers and relative immunity in their newborn children, as well as the link between vaccination and fertility in men. Jeremy Corr and Dr. Pearl dive into the data on this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a> to examine those topics and the following [time stamped] questions:</p>
<p><strong>[01:01] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[06:04] </strong>Australia shifted its public health measures from highly restrictive to incredibly lax. Why? And is it working?</p>
<p><strong>[09:04] </strong>Is it the responsibility of U.S. elected officials to protect the unvaccinated by restricting the vaccinated?</p>
<p><strong>[10:57] </strong>The courts have ruled that federal government can’t mandate vaccination for workers. How does this affect private businesses?</p>
<p><strong>[13:29] </strong>Where does the FDA stand with approving vaccinations for kids 5 and younger?</p>
<p><strong>[18:05] </strong>Anything new on the BA.2. variant?</p>
<p><strong>[19:48] Listener question: Does the coronavirus vaccine affect my menstrual cycle?</strong></p>
<p><strong>[22:26] </strong>How many total deaths in the United States can be attributed to the pandemic?</p>
<p><strong>[23:36] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[25:29] </strong>Beyond Covid-19: What’s happening with healthcare technologies?</p>
<p><strong>[28:29] </strong>Is AI something to fear or celebrate in healthcare?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #43: Malcolm Gladwell on breaking the rules of healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/02/13/fhc-43-malcolm-gladwell/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2022 02:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Some of medicine&#8217;s greatest breakthroughs began as seemingly crazy ideas. In the 1950s, for example, Dr. Emil Freireich hypothesized that the only way to cure childhood leukemia was to take young patients to the brink of death with combination chemotherapy. At first, Freireich’s colleagues called him a madman, a monster and possibly a Nazi doctor. Decades later, he is remembered as a trailblazing oncologist: the &#8220;father of modern leukemia therapy.&#8221;</p>
<p>When great ideas start out looking reckless or even insane, it’s difficult to separate the brilliant rule-breakers from the fools and sociopaths. The story of Elizabeth Holmes, the disgraced inventor and former billionaire, reminds us just how blurred the lines can become.</p>
<p>To help us sort out the iconoclasts from the quacks is an expert on rule breaking. <a href="https://www.gladwellbooks.com/"><strong>Malcolm Gladwell</strong></a> is the author of five <em>New York Times</em> bestsellers, including “David and Goliath: Underdogs, Misfits, and the Art of Battling Giants,” and he is the first guest on season seven of the <em>Fixing Healthcare </em>podcast. He joins hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr to discuss the rules of rule breaking—and how they apply to American healthcare today.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">_______</p>
<h2 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Malcolm Gladwell Interview Highlights </u></strong></h2>
<p style="text-align: center;"> ________</p>
<h5><strong> </strong><strong>On </strong><strong>the personality of medicine’s rule breakers </strong><strong> </strong></h5>
<p>“In David and Goliath, I wrote about a man named Emil Freireich who was maybe the most important pioneer in combination chemotherapy and he’s a classic example of a rule breaker … People thought (treating childhood leukemia with this regimen) was heretical and nuts … I mean, he was denounced, ostracized … And my conclusion was he was able to do what he did in large part because of his personality. He was simply someone who just didn&#8217;t care if everyone else thought he was a monster. And you need to be that way if you&#8217;re a rule breaker, right?”</p>
<h5><strong>On what it takes to break the rules </strong></h5>
<p>“You can&#8217;t be someone who&#8217;s too concerned about what your peers think and it&#8217;s really, really hard to find people who both have the imagination to break a rule and figure out a better way of doing things and also the strength of character to not care about the naysayers. It&#8217;s easy to find one of those traits and not the other. Very difficult to find both those traits in combination.”</p>
<h5><strong>On rule breakers vs. crooks or kooks</strong></h5>
<p>“The thing we have to keep in mind, I think, is when we make judgements of rule breakers, we may be right. There&#8217;s going to be some sociopaths mixed in there. I mean, there&#8217;s going to be the Elizabeth Holmes. She&#8217;s actually interesting … because that&#8217;s the kind of territory that she&#8217;s operating in, right? She&#8217;s selling her idea to a group of people who are aware of the fact that sometimes great ideas look crazy in the beginning … She goes to all these wise Silicon Valley people who have seen a version of this play out many times in the past and are aware of the fact that some percentage of truly brilliant, transformative, incredibly lucrative ideas look completely impossible and nuts out of the gate.”</p>
<h5><strong>On Elizabeth Holmes </strong></h5>
<p>“I don&#8217;t think that those who invested with Elizabeth Holmes are irrational. I think it&#8217;s rational for someone with a lot of money in Silicon Valley to make bets on crazy ideas because there are a lot of other crazy ideas that did pay off, right? Had she been right, that company would be worth, I mean, untold billions of dollars, right? Would I have given Elizabeth Holmes $10,000 in 2005 … had she approached me? I don&#8217;t know, probably if I had $10,000 lying around. Now as it turns out, she falls into either the sociopath or the fool category &#8230; but we don&#8217;t know in the beginning, that&#8217;s the thing.”</p>
<h5><strong>On the importance of having a vision </strong></h5>
<p>“[Rule breakers] tend to be people who have a vision, right? They are powered by something that&#8217;s really consequential and that motivates them. And I think there&#8217;s a version of that—that every one of these rule breakers has, which is they&#8217;re powered by a vision of whether they can make their world better.”</p>
<h5><strong>On defining a successful rule breaker </strong></h5>
<p>“I don&#8217;t think you can find a rule breaker who follows any path to success other than outworking the status quo or everyone else, right? What the rule breaker is, is someone who&#8217;s willing to commit themselves to an unpopular idea at a level that exceeds that of their peers. That&#8217;s my definition of a rule breaker. It&#8217;s not holding an unpopular position, that&#8217;s just a beginning. It&#8217;s are you then willing to bet a huge chunk of your own time, energy, career, what have you, on that idea? And it is the magnitude of the bet that makes you a rule breaker.”</p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Malcolm-Gladwell_Episode-43.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><strong><u>READ: Full transcript with Malcolm Gladwell</u></strong></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>FHC #42: Google’s chief doctor previews the health tools of tomorrow</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/02/06/fhc-42-karen-desalvo/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2022 04:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to healthcare, the digital hands of Google reach far and wide. Medical school students and residents use Google Search to find obscure case reports and make difficult diagnoses. Before surgery, many physicians now go to YouTube, the Google-owned video platform, to watch world-leading surgeons perform and narrate complex operations. Meanwhile, applications like Google Maps, along with products like HealthAI and Care Studio, are primed to play a meaningful role in the future healthcare.</p>
<p>Here to talk about the tools of tomorrow: <strong>Dr. Karen DeSalvo</strong>, Google’s Chief Health Officer, a role she has held since 2019. After medical school at Tulane, DeSalvo practiced as an internist (primary care) in New Orleans. Following hurricane Katrina, she served as New Orleans Health Commissioner and then as the city’s Senior Health Policy Advisor. At the federal level, DeSalvo served as National Coordinator for Health Information Technology and as an acting Assistant Health Secretary for U.S. Health and Human Services.</p>
<h2 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Karen DeSalvo Interview Highlights </u></strong></h2>
<h5><strong> </strong></h5>
<h5><strong>On her professional journey to Google  </strong></h5>
<p>“When they asked me to serve as the National Coordinator for Health IT, I declined. Because I just didn&#8217;t think I had the background and it wasn&#8217;t really how I wanted to go deep in the next part of my journey. But (former HHS secretary) Kathleen Sebelius convinced me and helped me see that technology is not the endgame but a tool to health, and also gave me the opportunity to go there at HHS and co-lead the delivery system reform strategy … I love my government service. I carry the stories of my patients, my experiences in local public service. But also, I saw it as an opportunity to apply the tools of technology in other ways to value-based care, and then eventually to public health.”</p>
<h5><strong>On her role as Chief Health Officer at Google </strong></h5>
<p>“It&#8217;s a new job. I was recruited here principally to stand up a clinical team that could work across the Google Enterprise to build up authoritative health information on our ecosystems that are things like Search and Maps and YouTube, where literally billions of people are looking for health information. And we needed to have a way that we could create a framework that would provide clinically great information where we could and then address misinformation.”</p>
<h5><strong>On curbing Covid-19 misinformation </strong></h5>
<p>“We have leaned on consensus bodies wherever we can. For example, the FDA or the World Health Organization, depending on the geography, and we often start with global consensus if it&#8217;s a new issue, and then localized as much as possible, yeah, in the various countries or even all the way down to the county level for recommendations on things like masking, because we think that our role is amplification of information, not creation of the content, especially on surfaces like Search. Now, there are some things though, that are clearly harmful, and is not the information that you would want to put out in the public domain. For the most part, those things have somewhat clearer to be able to define in COVID.”</p>
<h5><strong>On whether Google can disrupt healthcare</strong></h5>
<p>“I didn&#8217;t come to Google to disrupt the healthcare system, or to show the healthcare system how it should be done. I came here because I believe that there&#8217;s a couple of key things that are missing in the work we&#8217;ve been doing. One, is consumers are not empowered. They don&#8217;t have a seat at the table in the way that need to. Two, we&#8217;re not taking advantage of tools that can reduce cognitive load and improve the efficiency of care to pull cost out of the system. We&#8217;ve instead only, largely, in tech been trying to find ways to add new things to the system.”</p>
<h5><strong>On how AI can help doctors, patients </strong></h5>
<p>“Computers and AI are really good at reading pixels, better than humans, and they don&#8217;t get fatigued. Yes, all of those images and the pathology slides have to be put into context. I do understand that. It&#8217;s to me, again, not supplantation, but significant augmentation. Getting to a place where we expect that your prostate tissue slide is going to be read by AI and a human is so necessary. Getting there, though, is the barrier, isn&#8217;t only about the AI model. We&#8217;ve done a lot of good work in that space and have advanced imaging reads in that area.”</p>
<h5><strong>On the most exciting developments in health technology </strong></h5>
<p>“Home-based diagnostic testing. I am fascinated by how hungry people are to have convenient, in-home diagnostic tests for COVID and beyond. The part that&#8217;s interesting to me about it is laboratory is something that often does require a biologic specimen. It&#8217;s not something that can be done completely virtually. There has to be some an interface with the diagnostic tool. The diagnostics in the COVID time have gotten much more sophisticated. The work of the RADx team at the NIH, this billion dollars they received to advance technology for COVID testing, they&#8217;re seeing that it&#8217;s applicable in other areas of diagnostic testing for convenient at-home tools…”</p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Karen-DeSalvo_Episode-42.pdf"><strong><u>READ: Full transcript with Karen DeSalvo</u></strong></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.” All profits from the book go to Doctors Without Borders.</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>CTT #56: Is an Omicron vaccine coming soon? Will it help?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/02/01/ctt-56-omicron-vaccine/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2022 14:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Drug makers Pfizer and Moderna are testing a new vaccine specific to the Omicron variant—with an ETA around summer 2022 or even later. The timing is important as scientists recognize the variant should be far less prevalent by then. So, why would Pfizer and Modern even bother?</p>
<p>Hear the answer to that question at the 22:41 mark on this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a> with Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl. The duo will discuss all things Omicron, along with the following [time stamped] questions:</p>
<p><strong>[00:56] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[07:35] </strong>Being “fully vaccinated” vs. “up to date”: what’s the difference when it comes to the threat of Omicron?</p>
<p><strong>[09:40]</strong> How prevalent is Omicron infection where Dr. Pearl and Jeremy Corr live?</p>
<p><strong>[11:43] </strong>What do we know about Chinese-manufactured vaccine, Sinovac?</p>
<p><strong>[14:55] </strong>Are monoclonal antibodies effective against Omicron?</p>
<p><strong>[16:46] </strong>What’s the latest science on “long Covid”?</p>
<p><strong>[18:44] </strong>What’s going on with vaccine mandates?</p>
<p><strong>[22:41] Is an Omicron-specific vaccine on the way? </strong></p>
<p><strong>[24:38] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[26:10] </strong>What does it mean to “<a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/?sh=1f2133c044e3">break the rules of healthcare</a>”?</p>
<p><strong>[31:37] </strong>How can patients <em>safely</em> break the rules of healthcare?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/02/01/ctt-56-omicron-vaccine/">CTT #56: Is an Omicron vaccine coming soon? Will it help?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>CTT #55: Can I trust the results of at-home Covid-19 tests?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/01/19/ctt-55-covid-19-tests/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2022 00:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>These days, it seems just about every decision comes with risk: Should I invite friends or family over? Should I dine out? Can I safely return to work or school?</p>
<p>To help people make safer, smarter decisions about their health, the federal government is now offering every American home <a href="https://www.covidtests.gov/"><strong>four free at-home Covid-19 testing kits</strong></a>. It’s a step in the right direction, but many questions remain: Are these tests reliable? What are the chances of a false-negative result? What else can I do to protect my family?</p>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl discuss the accuracy and intended uses of various Covid-19 tests, the importance of testing in the face of Omicron, along with the following [time stamped] questions:</p>
<p><strong>[00:58] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[06:00] </strong>Why did the CDC shorten its quarantine recommendations from 10 days to 5 days for Omicron infection?</p>
<p><strong>[12:05]</strong> How are political officials handling Omicron information transparency?</p>
<p><strong>[14:10]</strong> What’s wrong with rapid at-home (antigen-based) testing kits?</p>
<p><strong>[18:13]</strong> What’s the latest on vaccine mandates for workers?</p>
<p><strong>[20:28]</strong> How strong is Covid-19 immunity after recovering from Omicron?</p>
<p><strong>[21:50] </strong>Is a fourth vaccine shot coming soon?</p>
<p><strong>[24:11] </strong>Are some nurses and other healthcare workers allowed to work after testing positive for Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[25:40] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[29:29] </strong>What is the idea behind Pearl’s new article series “<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/breaking-the-healthcare-rules-6886483197157285888/">Breaking The Rules Of Healthcare</a>”?</p>
<p><strong>[31:55] </strong>What’s the big news concerning out-of-network (surprise) billing?</p>
<p><strong>[33:44] </strong>How important is technological savvy among doctors?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/01/19/ctt-55-covid-19-tests/">CTT #55: Can I trust the results of at-home Covid-19 tests?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>CTT #54: What can we expect from Covid-19 in 2022?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/01/04/ctt-54-2022/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2022 22:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Greetings and happy-ish New Year. If you’re here for the latest information on Omicron, check out <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/12/21/ctt-53-omicron/"><strong>episode #53</strong></a> or tune in for episode #55 on January 18, 2022.</p>
<p>For now, this (shortly after) New Year’s episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a> features something slightly different. Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl are zooming out for a more comprehensive look back at the year that was along with a look ahead at what might transpire in the year that is.</p>
<p>Take a deep breath and tune in for answers to the following <strong>[time stamped]</strong> questions:</p>
<p><strong>[0:56] </strong>How can listeners put the past 12 months in perspective?</p>
<p><strong>[02:28] </strong>What can we make of the divide in Covid-19 research based on political affiliation?</p>
<p><strong>[07:27] </strong>What were the most significant Covid-19 moments of 2021?</p>
<p><strong>[08:49] </strong>What can we predict will happen with Covid-19 in 2022?</p>
<p><strong>[13:19]</strong> How are parents reacting to the highly transmissible Omicron variant?</p>
<p><strong>[14:17]</strong> Will the new oral pills make a meaningful difference in the Covid-19 fight?</p>
<p><strong>[15:21] </strong>What about the next set of vaccines?</p>
<p><strong>[18:40] </strong>Predictions for how courts will rule on vaccine mandates?</p>
<p><strong>[20:13] </strong>What will the next big wave of infections teach us?</p>
<p><strong>[22:51] </strong>How is America’s heartland responding to Covid-19 now?</p>
<p><strong>[24:30] </strong>Who is to blame for our continued Covid-19 difficulties?</p>
<p><strong>[28:09]</strong> What are Dr. Pearl’s big Covid-19 predictions for 2022?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2022/01/04/ctt-54-2022/">CTT #54: What can we expect from Covid-19 in 2022?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #41: New Cerner CEO says Epic isn&#8217;t his biggest competitor</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/12/22/fhc-41-david-feinberg-cerner/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2021 02:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This week’s guest is Fixing Healthcare alum <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/10/09/episode-3/">David Feinberg</a></strong>. In August 2021, Dr. Feinberg was <strong><a href="https://www.cerner.com/newsroom/cerner-announces-appointment-of-david-feinberg-md-as-president-and-chief-executive-officer">named CEO of Cerner</a></strong>, a leading provider of “electronic health records” or EHRs.</p>
<p>Just four months after Feinberg became CEO, and a little more than 24 hours ago, <strong><a href="https://www.cerner.com/newsroom/oracle-buys-cerner">Cerner was acquired</a></strong> by database giant Oracle for an estimated $28.3 billion.</p>
<p>In this interview (which took place before the Cerner-Oracle news broke), Dr. Feinberg offers insights into following: what makes Cerner so valuable, the company’s longstanding competition with Epic, the immense potential for EHRs as a healthcare solution, and the challenges that remain for doctors who want to spend more time with patients and less time on their computers.</p>
<h2 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>David Feinberg Interview Highlights</u></strong></h2>
<h2 style="text-align: left;"><strong style="font-size: 0.9375rem; text-transform: uppercase;">On Epic vs. Cerner</strong></h2>
<p>“Well, first of all, I said this really clearly to the [Cerner] board when they called me, my competition isn&#8217;t Epic. My competition is heart disease and suicide and opiates being misused and preventable illnesses and COVID. And I&#8217;ll do whatever&#8217;s possible to beat that competition. I have tremendous respect for Epic. Look, I&#8217;ve been a customer of Cerner and Epic. I&#8217;ve used the systems. I&#8217;ve used Meditech, I&#8217;ve used Athena. And I would say none of us, including Cerner, have built a tool that was really designed for the end user … If my family gets admitted to a hospital and they&#8217;re on a different system than Cerner, I want it to work. So I want all these systems to work. And if we really care about our communities, they need to work together.”</p>
<p><strong style="color: #333333; font-family: Raleway, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 0.9375rem; text-transform: uppercase;">On the troubled history of EHRs</strong></p>
<p>“When we think of electronic health records, the bill of goods we were all sold was this was going to solve a lot of problems. Now I think it&#8217;s been a heroic lift to get everything digitized, but in doing so we created some new problems around usability and we certainly haven&#8217;t realized the promise of what this was supposed to be. [EHRs] are not intuitive and easy to use, they&#8217;re not adding a lot … they haven&#8217;t really fixed underlying problems of making it easier to care for patients.”</p>
<p><strong style="color: #333333; font-family: Raleway, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 0.9375rem; text-transform: uppercase;">On Cerner 10 years from now</strong></p>
<p>“A decade from now I hope Cerner is seen as the foundation of data that is allowing doctors, nurses and families to be able to access data to better care for themselves. And I hope that that leads to a healthcare system that is much more equitable, much more cost effective, much easier, and convenient and more dignified.”</p>
<p><strong style="color: #333333; font-family: Raleway, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 0.9375rem; text-transform: uppercase;">On big-tech companies in healthcare</strong></p>
<p>“I think it&#8217;s going to be some of the big tech companies and some of the incumbents in healthcare realizing they got to [fix healthcare] together because for us, for example, we have the data, we have the trusted relationships. If you combined us with, and you can go through the list of Amazon or Microsoft, Oracle, Google, whoever, they have other expertise that when you bring it together could really get to that promise of what I think we all thought the electronic health record was supposed to do.”</p>
<p><strong style="color: #333333; font-family: Raleway, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 0.9375rem; text-transform: uppercase;">On how EHRs can lower healthcare costs</strong></p>
<p>Well, the [dollar] figure has to lower because if we don&#8217;t, we can&#8217;t build roads and schools and people won&#8217;t get wage increases and we&#8217;ll see a further gap between those that have, and those who don&#8217;t. I think it&#8217;s been the biggest crime in healthcare that we&#8217;ve allowed us, those of us in healthcare, that we&#8217;ve allowed this to happen … Using data to make better decisions around care is the way [Cerner] can help the most. So, hey, we&#8217;re expensive to put in. We got to prove that not only are we easy to use, which we&#8217;re not yet, but not only are we easy to use by using our tools, you&#8217;re able to care for more people, you&#8217;re able to drop the cost of your care, you&#8217;re able to make sure that nurses that are so expensive and so hard to get right now are just doing nursing and not worrying about working in an EHR as a data clerk. So that&#8217;s how I think we can join this solution and we&#8217;re totally committed to it.”</p>
<p><strong style="color: #333333; font-family: Raleway, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 0.9375rem; text-transform: uppercase;">On progress notes</strong></p>
<p>“The progress notes in the United States for patients are twice as long as the progress notes that they are in the rest of the world, even in the developed world, right? And so it&#8217;s not like our patients are sicker, although a lot of doctors always like to say that, it just means that we&#8217;ve added documentation that I&#8217;m certain isn&#8217;t adding value to care. It actually becomes so dense you can&#8217;t even find what you&#8217;re looking for if you&#8217;re a consultant or a doc taking over a case. So we&#8217;re really looking at how we can decrease it.”</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_David-Feinberg_Episode-41.pdf">READ: Full transcript with David Feinberg</a> </strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a new book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.”</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>CTT #53: How dangerous is Omicron, based on the latest data?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/12/21/ctt-53-omicron/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2021 20:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><strong>CTT #53: How dangerous is Omicron, based on the latest data? </strong></p>
<p>Omicron, the mysterious new variant accounting for nearly 3 of every 4 new cases in the United States, is top of mind for Americans as 2021 draws to an end. The answers scientists seek about Omicron are slowly coming into clearer view.</p>
<p>In this episode of <strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/">Coronavirus: The Truth</a></strong>, hosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl look at the most recent data and discuss: the known risks of Omicron compared to Delta, the effectiveness of vaccines and boosters against Omcrion, the effect of the new variant on vaccine rates and the latest on vaccine mandates. Tune in now for the latest, science-based answers to the following [time stamped] questions:</p>
<p><strong>[01:00] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[05:23] </strong>What do scientists now know about Omicron risks?</p>
<p><strong>[07:10] </strong>What are the current vaccine and booster rates?</p>
<p><strong>[09:00] </strong>What’s the latest in public opinion on vaccine mandates?</p>
<p><strong>[13:04] </strong><em>Listener question.</em> Several listeners wrote to ask for an update on the effectiveness of the current vaccines against Omicron. What do we know?</p>
<p><strong>[17:28] </strong><em>Discussion. </em>Why aren’t people in nursing homes getting the attention or protection they need? What can be done?</p>
<p><strong>[19:21] </strong>How will <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2021/12/13/year-3-of-covid-19-will-bring-familiar-fears-new-anxieties/?sh=5d3575216914">year three of Covid-19</a> affect people’s mental health?</p>
<p><strong>[25:16] </strong>Where do vaccine mandates stand in the courts?</p>
<p><strong>[28:35] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[30:16] </strong>What’s the big non-Covid story this week?</p>
<p><strong>[33:09]</strong> <em>Discussion</em>. Which of the following poses the biggest U.S. threat: inflation, Covid-19, business challenges and educational difficulties?</p>
<p><strong>[35:28] </strong>Is Omicron both more transmissible <em>and</em> less lethal?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/12/21/ctt-53-omicron/">CTT #53: How dangerous is Omicron, based on the latest data?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #40: How venture-backed tech is transforming U.S. healthcare</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/12/13/fhc-40-vinod-khosla/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2021 15:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Medical professionals and budding entrepreneurs love to talk about the technologies that will someday revolutionize patient care. Our guest on <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is already funding and fashioning those technologies to meet the needs of today’s patients.</p>
<p>Our guest, <strong>Vinod Khosla</strong>, is an entrepreneur, investor, technologist and founder of Khosla Ventures, a firm with investments in hundreds of startups across more than a dozen industries. In healthcare, Khosla has provided venture assistance to fast risers like Forward, OSCAR, ZocDoc and many others. He was also the founding CEO of Sun Microsystems.</p>
<p>This show features case-studies galore: From AI-driven mental health and physical therapy services to a Covid-testing product that can also screen you for the top 20 different respiratory illnesses. You’ll hear about diagnostic tools that are delivering results five-times faster and 10-times cheaper. And you’ll learn about a $28 million primary-care startup that Khosla says could be the next big thing in rural and safety-net care.</p>
<p>In this episode, Khosla gives advice to aspiring entrepreneurs and gets specific about the future of medicine, detailing which technologies he believes have a chance at achieving the most difficult of missions: fixing healthcare.</p>
<h2 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Vinod Khosla Interview Highlights</u></strong></h2>
<h4></h4>
<h4 style="text-align: left;"><strong>On tech improving global healthcare and U.S. healthcare</strong></h4>
<p>“I&#8217;ll try and constrain it to the US healthcare system in terms of my answers, but I think it&#8217;s globally applicable and the solutions are the same, but with a different tilt and different cultural context. In the US, we have relatively better care, but it&#8217;s expensive. My personal view, the most expensive part of the system is expertise, and expertise can relatively be tamed with technology and AI. So, not everybody in the world can get an oncologist. We can capture some of that expertise, so each oncologist can do 10 times more patient care than they would on their own without that help. That applies broadly.”</p>
<h4><strong>On reducing healthcare costs with technology</strong></h4>
<p>“I am pretty optimistic that the most expensive conditions, take diabetes, cardiology, musculoskeletal, will be done in verticals outside of the healthcare system. Can you use a Livongo or a Hello Heart to reduce blood pressure by 20 millimeters without drugs? Could you do weight reduction by 8% with a digital first offering? I think that&#8217;s starting to happen … That will start to reduce the cost, and then specialists will only be needed when the condition is severe or exceptional.”</p>
<h4><strong>On improving rural healthcare with technology</strong></h4>
<p>“Wherever healthcare depends on deep expertise, which is generally expensive, think oncologists or a brain surgeon, and you can do it remotely, care quality will improve and care costs will decline and accessibility will improve because a patient won&#8217;t have to go from that small town in Iowa to a major medical center and travel for three days for an appointment. So, I do think that will happen and will be very, very beneficial.”</p>
<h4><strong>The business implications of healthcare disruption</strong></h4>
<p>“It&#8217;ll be newer players who adapt these technologies, disrupt the price points in economics and will slowly eat into traditional systems, (which) will go bankrupt. This is the model that happened with bookstores and Amazon. The bookstores ignored Amazon for a long, long time as it slowly ate into sales with its new model. Later, they adapted this model, but mostly too late.”</p>
<h4><strong>On the role of venture capital in healthcare</strong></h4>
<p>“Look, the venture business always over invests in hard categories. The characteristic of venture startups is most will lose money, but more money will be made than lost, which says a small percentage of these will win, but the winners will make more money than the losers lose. So, net-net, broadly, if somebody&#8217;s broadly invested, they&#8217;ll do well and make money on their investment. So, imagine after 89 billion, 80 billion gets lost. That money gets lost as investments, but the 9 billion turns into 900 billion, creates another Apple or Google. That&#8217;s the model of venture capital.”</p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Vinod-Khosla_Episode-40.pdf"><strong>READ: Full transcript with Vinod Khosla</strong></a></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a new book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.”</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Google, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/12/13/fhc-40-vinod-khosla/">FHC #40: How venture-backed tech is transforming U.S. healthcare</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>CTT #52: What do scientists know about Omicron?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/12/07/ctt-52-omicron/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2021 15:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This week, America has Omicron on the mind. Listeners flooded the CTT inbox with questions about the new variant. Among them: Is Omicron more transmissible or lethal than Delta? Are current vaccines effective against it? What is President Biden doing to control the new variant and what kinds of social restrictions should we expect in the months ahead?</p>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl discuss all things Omicron. Tune in now for the latest, science-based answers to the following [time stamped] questions:</p>
<p><strong>[01:00] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[04:13] </strong>What do scientists know about the Omicron variant so far?</p>
<p><strong>[12:37]</strong> Are current vaccines/boosters effective against Omicron?</p>
<p><strong>[17:48]</strong> What do researchers know about the economic impact of Covid-19 on minority communities?</p>
<p><strong>[19:16]</strong> How can politicians and scientists contingency plan for Omicron?</p>
<p><strong>[20:13] </strong>What’s new with the Merck pill that patients start soon after becoming symptomatic with Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[23:35]</strong> How does Omicron affect the “endemic” scenario?</p>
<p><strong>[27:15] </strong>Any good news this week?</p>
<p><strong>[30:34]</strong> What is President Biden’s plan to control Omicron?</p>
<p><strong>[33:28]</strong> Are patient privacy fears warranted?</p>
<p><strong>[35:15] </strong>What’s the latest with international border closures due to Covid-19?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/12/07/ctt-52-omicron/">CTT #52: What do scientists know about Omicron?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>CTT #51: Will the definition of &#8216;fully vaccinated&#8217; change with boosters?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/11/23/ctt-51-fully-vaccinated/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2021 14:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Americans who’ve received two shots of Pfizer or Moderna, or the single-dose J&amp;J vaccine, are considered “fully vaccinated” … <em>for now</em>. That could change, depending on the data, according to White House chief medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci. Already, some U.S. governors are pushing to update the definition to include boosters.</p>
<p>Last week, CDC officials urged all adults to get a vaccine booster six months after completing their original vaccine regimen.</p>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl discuss vaccine booster rates in the United States, the possible definition change for “fully vaccinated,” and what the future may hold.  Tune in now for the latest, science-based answers to the following [time stamped] questions:</p>
<p><strong>[01:00] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[05:54] </strong>What can <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2021/11/15/puerto-rico-is-taming-covid-19-by-applying-force-reducing-friction/?sh=3a3d5d0d116b">Puerto Rico</a></strong></span> teach the rest of America about vaccinations?</p>
<p><strong>[08:23]</strong> Why are cases in Europe spiking despite high vaccination rates?</p>
<p><strong>[11:26]</strong> Why is Moderna battling the NIH over vaccine patent rights?</p>
<p><strong>[14:20]</strong> Where do labor union stand on vaccine mandates?</p>
<p><strong>[16:02] </strong>What’s the status of President Biden’s vaccine plan for large employers?</p>
<p><strong>[17:18] </strong>What’s the mental-health impact social distancing and isolation?</p>
<p><strong>[18:53] Will booster shots change our nation’s definition of “fully vaccinated”? </strong></p>
<p><strong>[19:57]</strong> What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[21:48]</strong> What’s this episode’s big non-Covid story?</p>
<p><strong>[28:15]</strong> How do patients feel about telehealth?</p>
<p><strong>[29:30]</strong> How is Singapore’s government punishing unvaccinated citizens?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
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		<title>FHC #39: Paying for healthcare is out. Buying healthcare is in.</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/11/15/fhc-39-halvorson/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2021 04:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>George Halverson was CEO of Health Partners in Minnesota for 18 years and CEO of Kaiser Permanente for 12.</p>
<p>As a health-plan leader, he spent 30 years fixing healthcare. He was successful in large part because he rejected what most Americans believe about health insurance. Halvorson believes better and more affordable healthcare is possible when people stop blindly <em>paying</em> for it and start assuming the role of <em>buyer</em>.</p>
<p>“I absolutely, totally believe that we have to become better purchasers of care as a country,” said Halvorson, who worked as CEO alongside <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> cohost Robert Pearl from 2002 to 2014 at Kaiser Permanente. “When we function as a buyer, not a payer, we end up with much better care. We can expect quality to improve. We can expect data to flow. We can expect teams to function.”</p>
<p>In this interview, Halvorson talks about health plans and the role of buyers. He also touches on the brilliance of Medicare Advantage, the bleak outlook for solo-practice doctors, and ways to improve healthcare for America’s most vulnerable populations.</p>
<h2 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>George Halvorson Interview Highlights</u></strong></h2>
<p style="text-align: left;"><strong style="color: #333333; font-family: Raleway, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 1.0625rem;">On buying (rather than paying) for healthcare</strong></p>
<p>“When we buy care as a package, when we buy care from plans, and when we expect the plans to deliver the care, we have a whole different leverage for purchasing. In that setting, we can expect quality to improve. We can expect data to flow. We can expect teams to function … Both Kaiser and Health Partners are care settings that deliver care in addition to insure care. And because of that and you know the results. We have half as many people with hospital admissions. We have far (fewer) people with asthma attacks. We end up with much better care because we can focus on the care and do a better job of care.”</p>
<h4><strong>On the solo-practice doctor</strong></h4>
<p>“When you’re a solo-practice doctor, and you’re just trying to keep up all by yourself, that’s really hard. There (are) 1,000 medical journals out there. But when you have a Health Partners or Permanente Medical Group, that group can keep up on all of the science, can distill the science, and then can pass the best current science onto all of the people on the care team. So, it’s really problematic to try to keep up with medical science outside of a group setting. But in a group setting, because of Permanente, Health Partners, Mayo Clinic do a really good job of keeping up. So I much prefer the model. I just think it makes huge sense. And I think the whole country needs to move in that direction.”</p>
<h4><strong>On for-profit vs. not-for-profit health plans</strong></h4>
<p>“Well, I think the differences between the not-for-profit and the for-profits were significantly greater a couple decades ago than they are now. As a not-for-profit health plan, we can focus on the wellbeing of the patient. I used to be chair of AHIP years ago. I was chair a couple times of the National Association of Insurance Companies and Health Plans. And one of the things, when we went down the path of improving quality in that context, we initially had some of the for-profit companies resisting going down that path. And they resisted because they had shareholder lawsuits, literally saying, ‘As shareholders, that those health plans should not be improving quality. They should be optimizing profit.’”</p>
<h4><strong>On Optum following the Kaiser Permanente playbook</strong></h4>
<p>“Optum right now is trying really hard. Their self-image is that they’re going to deliver great and continuously improving care. That’s part of what they’re trying to push in their culture. And that’s also part of their market model. So, they have gone far down that road. And I know for a fact that the folks at Optum have studied Kaiser Permanente, studied stuff that you (Robert Pearl) had invented. They’re moving it into their setting. But they’re doing it with the belief that they will thrive over time by being best in care and not just best on underwriting and risk selection.”</p>
<h4><strong>On us vs. them in medical care</strong></h4>
<p>“We are wired instinctively to divide the world into us and them. We figure out who&#8217;s an us, we figure out who is a them, and when someone is an us, we&#8217;re supportive, we&#8217;re enabling, we do good things for us. And when someone is a them we&#8217;re suspicious, paranoid, territorial, distrustful. In healthcare, we end up with all kinds of negative consequences, unintended consequences by many well-meaning people who diagnose differently, or treat differently, or prescribe differently, and also who literally don&#8217;t trust.”</p>
<h4><strong>On President Biden’s healthcare agenda</strong></h4>
<p>“He should make the Medicaid part of his agenda really clear. And a lot of the people who are opposed to him, politically, a disproportionate number of them need Medicaid and need to have a sense of that he is helping, steering them in that direction. I think on the Medicare side, the pure classic Medicare for all model has some support with some elements in the party, but it does not have support with the vast majority of Democrats. Unions don&#8217;t like it at all, because unions actually provide healthcare in good ways for their members.”</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_George-Halvorson_Episode-39.pdf">READ: Full transcript with George Halvorson</a> </strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a new book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.”</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Google, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>CTT #50: Is Covid-19 here to stay?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/11/08/ctt-50-endemic/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2021 22:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>There was time when <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a> cohosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl assumed the show would be irrelevant and retired by episode 20. This week, which marks the show&#8217;s 50th episode, the question must be asked: Is the coronavirus here to stay?</p>
<p>Several news outlets have reported in recent weeks that the Covid-19 pandemic may become <strong><a href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/will-covid-19-become-endemic-11636222687">endemic</a></strong>, continuing to circulate among the population for the foreseeable future. If that were to happen, according to the <em>Wall Street Journal</em>, “The disease could eventually become more similar to routine illnesses like the flu or colds, common ailments that are less destructive and deadly than Covid-19 is now.”</p>
<p>So, with vaccinations rates stalling and herd immunity still a long way off, Pearl and Corr discuss whether some form of Covid-19 be with us for the long haul. That and the following <strong>[time stamped]</strong> questions now:</p>
<p><strong>[01:01] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[04:45] </strong>Listener question: “I’ve been fully vaccinated and was wondering about getting a booster since there has been so much debate about approving additional shots for people under the age of 65.”</p>
<p><strong>[06:46] </strong>Merck’s Covid-19 pill is now approved in Great Britain. What’s the story here?</p>
<p><strong>[10:25] </strong>Do we need vaccine mandates?</p>
<p><strong>[12:31] </strong>What should parents know about vaccinated their children?</p>
<p><strong>[13:48] </strong>Question for cohost Jeremy Corr: If you knew in March 2020 this pandemic would be a 2-3 year march, is there anything you would have done differently for yourself or your son?</p>
<p><strong>[15:50] </strong>Listener question: “I have recovered from Covid-19. How important is it to be vaccinated in addition? I’m worried about having a reaction to the shot.</p>
<p><strong>[18:18] Will the Covid-19 pandemic become endemic? And what would that mean?  </strong></p>
<p><strong>[23:42] </strong>Do poor Americans suffer more in a pandemic?</p>
<p><strong>[25:09] </strong>Did financial incentives increase vaccinations as hoped?</p>
<p><strong>[26:48] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[28:48] </strong>What’s this episode’s non-Covid healthcare story?</p>
<p><strong>[32:01] </strong>What’s coming up on the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast?</p>
<p><strong>[33:35] </strong>Should parents vaccinate the five- and six-year-olds?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
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		<title>CTT #49: Can I get my flu shot and Covid-19 booster at the same time? </title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/10/26/ctt-49-can-i-get-my-flu-shot-and-covid-19-booster-at-the-same-time/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl tackle more than a dozen timely and tricky Covid-19 questions.</p>
<p>This week: What should listeners know about the upcoming holiday season and Covid travel restrictions? Has the Biden administration provided any clarity on the vaccine mandate for employers? How did Puerto Rico manage to out-vaccinate every American state?</p>
<p>And, finally, one listener asks: Can I get a flu shot and Covid-19 booster at the same time? Dr. Pearl responds at the bottom of the broadcast by noting the heightened risks of influenza this year, given the dramatic decline in cases during the 2020 flu season. He also dives into the CDC’s guidance for people hoping to double up their flu and booster shots at the pharmacy or doctor’s office. Tune in for answers to this and other (time-stamped) questions on <em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em>.</p>
<p><strong>[01:01] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[04:46] </strong>Vaccine boosters: Who’s eligible for which one? Should J&amp;J recipients mix and match?</p>
<p><strong>[06:49] </strong>Where do things stand with international ground and air travel restrictions?</p>
<p><strong>[10:05] </strong>With the 50th episode coming up, what stands out about the past 18 months to CTT hosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl?</p>
<p><strong>[11:30] </strong>What lessons can we learn from Gen. Colin Powell’s death?</p>
<p><strong>[14:55] </strong>What are <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2021/10/25/biden-is-down-to-3-options-in-the-battle-against-covid-19/?sh=77b90acd4532">Biden’s three strategic options</a> in the battle against Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[18:18] </strong>Do we need to vaccinate kids in order to reach the 90% threshold for herd immunity?</p>
<p><strong>[21:54]</strong> What’s the relationship between a vaccinated person’s age and chances of dying?</p>
<p><strong>[23:49] </strong>How did Puerto Rico achieve such a high level of vaccination?</p>
<p><strong>[26:09] </strong>What’s this episode’s big non-Covid healthcare story?</p>
<p><strong>[29:09] </strong>Will families celebrate the holidays differently this year vs. last?</p>
<p><strong>[30:08] Listener question: Flu season is about to begin, so can I get a booster for Covid-19 and a flu shot on the same day?</strong></p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
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		<title>CTT #48: Is Merck’s anti-Covid pill really the ‘holy grail’?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/10/14/ctt-48-merck-pill/</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2021 00:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Merck’s new oral antiviral medication (molnupiravir) has been labeled a “<a href="https://www.statnews.com/2021/10/13/molnupiravir-merck-covid-pill-how-it-works/">huge, huge advance</a>” in the fight against Covid-19 by a Harvard Medical School virologist. The pill also has been called the “<a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/05/merck-covid-pill-who-says-antiviral-is-good-news-as-it-awaits-data.html">holy grail of treatments</a>” by an executive director at the World Health Organization.</p>
<p>Merck says it’s now seeking FDA authorization of the investigational medication after phase-three clinical trials showed a 50% reduction in hospitalizations and death among individuals infected with Covid-19.</p>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl discuss the new medication, the research done so far, the pill’s side effects, the costs, and the implications for our nation’s ongoing battle against the coronavirus.</p>
<p><strong>[01:00] </strong>What should we know about Merck’s new pill?</p>
<p><strong>[06:40]</strong> How do we explain those who are anti-vaccine but pro-Merck-pill despite the large differential in available research data?</p>
<p><strong>[07:55]</strong> Who should get a booster, according to FDA and CDC guidelines?</p>
<p><strong>[10:58]</strong> Are vaccine mandates working based on early returns?</p>
<p><strong>[12:42]</strong>  What prompted Dr. Pearl’s provocative <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2021/10/11/comparing-covid-19-to-911-reveals-why-so-many-americans-die-unnecessarily/?sh=67ea52cd280a"><em>Forbes</em> article</a> comparing Covid-19 with 9/11?</p>
<p><strong>[16:44]</strong> Listener question: Do we have any data regarding side-effects from booster shots?</p>
<p><strong>[18:12]</strong> What ever happened to Covid-19 testing?</p>
<p><strong>[21:10]</strong> Any scientific truth to social-media claims Covid-19 vaccines cause infertility</p>
<p><strong>[23:29]</strong> What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[25:59]</strong> What’s the big non-Covid healthcare story listeners should know about?</p>
<p><strong>[31:10]</strong> Listener question: “I loved [Jeremy’s] analysis about which of the past U.S. presidents would have been best to lead our nation through the pandemic. I though your choice of Lincoln was superb. Who do you believe would have been the worst president for this task?”</p>
<p><strong>[34:12]</strong> What should we make of California Governor Gavin Newsome’s decision to require vaccination for in-person classes for all students in schools?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
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		<title>FHC #38: More male nurses, nurses of color needed says ANA president</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/10/10/fhc-38-ernest-grant/</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Our guest today is Dr. Ernest Grant, president of the American Nurses Association (ANA). He is the first male president in the organization’s 125-year history. And his passion for nursing can be traced back to his upbringing in the South as one of seven children in a very poor family.</p>
<p>“Even if I had won scholarships, I would not have enough to pay to complete undergrad and then go on to med school,” he explained to <em>Fixing Healthcare </em>cohosts Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl. “So, my high school guidance counselor suggested going to the local community college becoming a nurse. About three months into that program, I forgot all about med school. I found out that nursing was my calling.”</p>
<p>In his role as ANA president, Dr. Grant advocates for better working conditions, better mental-health services and better wages for the nation’s 4.3 million registered nurses.</p>
<p>Dr. Grant, himself, has more than 30 years of nursing experience and is a globally recognized burn-care and fire-safety expert. He received his PhD from the University of North Carolina and serves as an adjunct faculty member for the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill School of Nursing. In 2002 President Bush honored him with the Nurse of the Year award for the work he did treating burn victims after the World Trade Center tragedy.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Ernest Grant Interview Highlights </u></strong></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<h6><strong>On advocating for Black patients and nurses </strong></h6>
<p>“A lot of times what we see and hear is that nurses and/or the patients will say, ‘No one listened to me,’ or ‘I was not heard.’ … So, it’s a matter of nurses advocating to educate all the members of the healthcare team, not just nurses, but we’re (also) talking doctors, advanced practice nurses, PAs, all the way down the line to actively listen to what the person is saying.”</p>
<h6><strong>On Nurses being primary care providers</strong></h6>
<p>“I think that (nurses) have proven themselves over and over again that they are capable of doing that. And the thing that we have to realize that it’s a collaboration. It’s not one being better than the other. What skills does the nurse practitioner bring to the table that would be able to help that patient for that particular time? I mean, studies have shown that patients generally, overwhelmingly love the care that they do get from the advanced practice nurses. And I think part of that … is the fact that we tend to spend more time with (patients) and actually listening to them.”</p>
<h6><strong>On more male nurses and professional diversity</strong></h6>
<p>“I will say that I may be the first (male president of the ANA), but I hope and pray that I’m not the last. It only took 122 years for the glass ceiling to be broken. I hope that I have blazed a trail for others to follow behind me. One of the things that I did run on my platform when I was running for my first election was to increase the diversity of nursing, because I strongly feel that nursing should be reflective of the people that we serve. And that includes not only increasing the diversity from a color perspective, but also from a gender perspective as well.”</p>
<h6><strong>On burnout in nursing </strong></h6>
<p>“I hear from nurses every day about the trials and tribulations that they’re having at the bedside. … They’re truly burned out as a result of having to work 13, 14, 16 hours or so … In an ICU, they don’t have time to even go to the bathroom sometimes during a 12-hour shift. If they’re lucky, they may get 15 minutes for a lunch break. These are working conditions that should not be.”</p>
<h6><strong>On the nursing shortage</strong></h6>
<p>“There’s such a severe nursing shortage. It’s estimated that by even just next year alone, we’re going to be down about 1 to 1.5 million nurses … At the university level or the community college level, they’re admitting students every semester in order to try to turn out more nurses to meet the demands of the workforce. The problem, however, is that there’s not enough clinical faculty and not enough clinical spaces.”</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Ernest-Grant_Episode-38_-1.pdf">READ: Full transcript with Ernest Grant</a> </strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a new book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.”</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Google, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
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		<title>CTT #47: How are the Covid-19 numbers still this bad?  </title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/09/27/ctt-47-how-are-the-covid-19-numbers-still-this-bad/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2021 21:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Data points, alone, never tell the whole story. Numbers are often used and misused to confirm our personal biases rather than to inform or reform our thinking.</p>
<p>No matter how you view the pandemic or slice the data, it’s hard to see the latest set of Covid-19 figures as anything other than proof our nation remains embroiled in an avoidable and ongoing tragedy, one that has been unfolding for the better part of two years.</p>
<ul>
<li>More than 675,000 deaths from Covid-19, more than from the Spanish Flu.</li>
<li>1 in every 500 Americans have died from the pandemic.</li>
<li>1 in 4 U.S. hospitals have exceeded 95% capacity, up from 1 in 5 a month ago.</li>
<li>11x higher mortality rate for unvaccinated Americans vs. those who are vaccinated.</li>
</ul>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl put these numbers in context and discuss the following questions:</p>
<p><strong>[01:00] </strong>What is happening with Covid-19 data and what does it all mean?</p>
<p><strong>[07:37]</strong> Why do vaccine hesitancy and resistance remain so high and what can be done?</p>
<p><strong>[10:18]</strong> What does data from other countries show about vaccine effectiveness against the Delta variant?</p>
<p><strong>[11:39]</strong> What are the two most compelling arguments in the vaccine debate now?</p>
<p><strong>[14:10]</strong> What should parents know this week?</p>
<p><strong>[16:49]</strong> Is the Delta Airlines fine of $200 on unvaccinated workers making a difference?</p>
<p><strong>[18:12]</strong> What is the vaccine issue doing to friendships in America?</p>
<p><strong>[20:00]</strong> Why was the FDA’s hearing on the Pfizer booster so contentious?</p>
<p><strong>[23:51]</strong> What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[25:32]</strong> What’s this episode’s big non-Covid story?</p>
<p><strong>[27:47]</strong> History hypothetical for Jeremy Corr: Which U.S. presidents would’ve best led our nation through the Covid-19 pandemic?</p>
<p><strong>[33:17]</strong> Why so little progress in the fight against Covid-19?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
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		<title>CTT #46: Why are people taking Ivermectin to treat Covid-19?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/09/13/ctt-46-ivermectin/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2021 23:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A listener wrote in about Ivermectin—a drug used to kill worms and parasitic infections—because her friends had recommended it for treating Covid-19.</p>
<p>To date, 14 studies have concluded that Ivermectin is ineffective against Covid-19 and potentially dangerous. One study found the drug could kill the coronavirus in a laboratory setting, however, the dosage used would have been toxic and potentially lethal to humans.</p>
<p>Is there a reason people are choosing this unproven drug over a thoroughly tested vaccine? In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl tackle this tricky topic and discuss the following questions:</p>
<p><strong>[01:00] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[04:04]</strong> Are Covid-19 booster shots effective?</p>
<p><strong>[07:27] </strong>How is Delta Airlines trying to contain the Delta variant?</p>
<p><strong>[11:25] </strong>How has Covid-19 changed American culture?</p>
<p><strong>[13:17]</strong> What are the dangers of teenagers developing myocarditis after vaccination?</p>
<p><strong>[15:55]</strong> What should we know about the Mu variant?</p>
<p><strong>[16:58]</strong> Last month, schools reopened. What did we learn?</p>
<p><strong>[19:27] </strong>What’s the story with people using Ivermectin to treat Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[21:25] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[23:40]</strong> What’s this episode’s biggest non-Covid healthcare story?</p>
<p><strong>[26:55]</strong> What does American history teach us about healthcare today?</p>
<p><strong>[29:54]</strong> Mutants vs. vaccines: What does the science tell us?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
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		<title>FHC #37: The future of the American hospital</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/09/13/episode-37-rick-pollack/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2021 10:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Rick Pollack, president and CEO of the American Hospital Association, envisions a future where the iconic “H” comes to symbolize much more than a building where people go for acute inpatient care.</p>
<p>“I hope that in 10 years we have more of a focus on prevention,” he told <em>Fixing Healthcare </em>cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr. “I hope we have more integrated delivery systems that are providing the care to people where they’re not bounced around from one unconnected facility to the next. I would hope that 10 years from now, we’re in a position where there is a real focus on ensuring that people get care in a very convenient way. I hope in 10 years, we will have built on the Affordable Care Act to get to almost universal coverage.”</p>
<p>Pollack acknowledges that hospitals aren&#8217;t there yet. But as the head of the AHA, he has called on the organization&#8217;s nearly 5,000 members to reevaluate, reboot and reimagine care so that, together, they can create a better future for American patients.</p>
<h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Rick Pollack Interview Highlights </u></strong></h4>
<h5><strong>On mandating COVID vaccinations </strong></h5>
<p>“We support hospitals that mandate vaccines for their employees, and we’ve worked really closely with the American Medical Association and the American Nurses Association and encouraging the public to get vaccinated. We’ve been involved in all sorts of public service announcement campaigns, and we’ve been working with the Black Physicians against COVID. We’ve been working with a lot of different coalitions to encourage people to get vaccinated, to make the case of why it’s important and why it’s safe.”</p>
<h5><strong>On the best healthcare policy for Americans</strong></h5>
<p>“We worked hard on the Affordable Care Act. We supported it. We defended it in the courts. We still continue to believe that that is a platform on which to build, both in terms of expanding coverage, building on the delivery system reforms that were inherent in it and, certainly, the quality improvements that were a part of it … I think that the Affordable Care Act is still the basis for the future.”</p>
<h5><strong>On medical bills and $15 Tylenol charges</strong></h5>
<p>“We probably couldn’t have created a more complicated system if we tried, when it comes to the billing system. And we have been engaged in various, what we call, ‘patient friendly billing initiatives’ … to try to make things more comprehensible. And that is ongoing. But at the end of the day, the real way to get at this problem is through prepaid care or capitation or some form of prepayment, which really doesn’t involve focusing on line-items … That’s the ultimate solution for the puzzle that we’ve got going on right now.”</p>
<h5><strong>On redesigning rural hospitals</strong></h5>
<p>“We need to think about the rural hospital more as a network of caring there as a building … So much of our healthcare expense and need in the future is going to be managing chronic conditions. Fact of the matter is most people want to have those situations or conditions managed at home. They don’t want to have to leave their community for care. So, for rural hospitals, they also need to be thinking about different pathways for the future. They need to be thinking about how they redefine who they are, what they are and what they do.”</p>
<h5><strong>On burnout in hospitals</strong></h5>
<p>“The issue that is on the minds of most hospital CEOs that I talked to, and I talked to a lot of them all the time, you ask them what their priorities are and it’s workforce, workforce, workforce, resiliency, resiliency, resiliency. Right now, it’s not an issue of having enough supplies. It’s not an issue of having enough equipment. It’s not even an issue sometimes of having enough beds. The issue is really having the staff available … And there is no higher priority than ensuring that our workforce is taken care of. Without them, the system breaks down. Simple as that.”</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Rick-Pollack_Episode-37.pdf">READ: Full transcript with Rick Pollack</a> </strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Hundreds of listeners participated in the 2021 <em>Fixing Healthcare </em>survey. The results offer surprising insights into medicine’s cultural issues. <a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/new-survey-to-fix-healthcare/"><strong>Learn more »</strong></a></p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a new book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.”</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Google, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/09/13/episode-37-rick-pollack/">FHC #37: The future of the American hospital</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>CTT #45: Do vaccine mandates actually work?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/08/25/ctt-45-vaccine-mandates/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2021 01:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A while back, <a href="https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/legal-regulatory-issues/lawsuit-over-houston-methodist-s-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-dismissed.html">Houston Methodist</a> hospital gave its 26,000 employees an ultimatum: Get vaccinated or get a new job. All but 100 or so workers complied and, now, hospital leaders are reporting a <a href="https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/legal-regulatory-issues/lawsuit-over-houston-methodist-s-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-dismissed.html">nearly 100%</a> vaccination rate.</p>
<p>Clearly, the mandate worked for one hospital, but what about others institutions? Recent weeks have brought on several high-profile vaccine mandates from private <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/business/companies-vaccine-mandate/index.html">employers</a> like United Airlines, Google and Facebook, as well as government institutions like the VA and the U.S. military. But will these vaccine mandates help slow the raging Delta variant in the areas of the country being hit hardest?</p>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl discuss this burning question along with the following hot topics:</p>
<p><strong>[01:00] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[04:09] </strong>Why did President Biden call for booster shots?</p>
<p><strong>[09:36] </strong>Listener question: “I had been ill with Covid-19, but am fully recovered now. I am worried about getting vaccinated. What would you recommend?”</p>
<p><strong>[11:10] </strong>How are parents reacting now that school is back in session?</p>
<p><strong>[13:34] </strong>What to make of mask mandates in various states?</p>
<p><strong>[16:03] </strong>How dangerous is the Delta variant compared to other Covid-19 mutations and possible vaccine complications?</p>
<p><strong>[21:04] </strong>Following Pearl’s Forbes article on mask/vaccine mandates (which has <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2021/08/10/what-the-cdc-isnt-telling-you-about-masks-is-terrifying/">over 300,000 readers</a>) do we have more info on the legality of mandates?</p>
<p><strong>[23:14] </strong>Why are Covid-19 cases are spiking among kids?</p>
<p><strong>[24:26] </strong>Are we destined to return to virtual education?</p>
<p><strong>[26:05] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[29:33] </strong>What’s this episode’s big non-Covid story?</p>
<p><strong>[32:47] </strong>In places that vote Republican, you might imagine people would encourage vaccination to protect the economy. Why haven’t they?</p>
<p><strong>[36:46] </strong>Listener questions (from a physician): Are there any statistical models to calculate the continuing risk of novel pathogenic Covid-19 variants? Is there evidence that these variants can arise among the vaccinated part of the population? And can herd immunity be achieved if those who are vaccinated can harbor the virus?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/08/25/ctt-45-vaccine-mandates/">CTT #45: Do vaccine mandates actually work?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>CTT #44: How does the Delta variant affect kids?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/08/10/ctt-44-delta-variant/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2021 01:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“As you know my son starts kindergarten in a couple of weeks,” Jeremy Corr said to his cohost Dr. Robert Pearl in this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>. “I know this topic is causing anxiety for a lot of parents as they prepare for the school year. How’s the Delta variant affecting kids? Should we be more concerned than we were before? What advice do you have for parents with young children going to school in a couple of weeks?”</p>
<p>Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl discuss these questions in detail, dive into the “Delta-Plus” variant, consider a possible ban on booster shots, and tackle the following topics throughout the episode:</p>
<p><strong>[01:03] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[06:47] </strong>Why is the CDC recommending masks indoors for vaccinated people?</p>
<p><strong>[11:07] </strong>What is “Delta-Plus”?</p>
<p><strong>[12:51] </strong>How is the Delta variant affecting foreign travel?</p>
<p><strong>[13:48] </strong>Why does controversy keep following the FDA and CDC of late?</p>
<p><strong>[16:28]</strong> Why did the WHO propose a ban on booster shots?</p>
<p><strong>[18:09] </strong>Does the Delta variant affect kids differently than adults?</p>
<p><strong>[21:32] </strong>What reasons do people give for refusing vaccination?</p>
<p><strong>[23:26] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[25:13]</strong> What’s the big non-Covid story this week?</p>
<p><strong>[27:20] </strong>How has Delta impacted areas like Iowa where cohost Jeremy Corr lives?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/08/10/ctt-44-delta-variant/">CTT #44: How does the Delta variant affect kids?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #36: How physician teamwork makes the dream work</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/08/09/fhc-36-donald-crane/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2021 21:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Goodbye, Marcus Welby, M.D., that lovable TV doctor from the early ‘70s whose humble private practice dealt with everything from impotence to Alzheimer’s disease. Hello to integrated, team-based, 21st-century medicine that enables doctors to work smarter, together, rather than harder (and less effectively), alone.</p>
<p>That’s the vision of Don Crane, president and CEO of America’s Physician Groups (APG). Crane is the second guest on season 6 of the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast. This season, cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr go in search of solutions from people like Crane who lead and represent the healthcare system’s various parts—from doctors and nurses to insurers, drug companies, hospitals, entrepreneurs and others.</p>
<p>APG is a professional association made up of 340 physician groups that contract with about 170,000 physicians who, in turn, take care of 90 million patients in 44 states. In this interview, Crane weighs in re-educating doctors for the future, holding them accountable for better care at lower costs, and improving America’s “toxic” diet.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Donald Crane Interview Highlights </u></strong></h3>
<h6></h6>
<h6><strong>On how to pay for healthcare  </strong></h6>
<p>“We believe that physician groups should be accountable for cost and quality. We’re very much wedded to the (prospective) payment model, where the physician group is paid in advance per member, per month, a defined amount of money to care for the individual patients. This prospective payment creates aligned incentives all through the physician group enterprise where everybody is trying to keep the patients healthy. Let me repeat that, we try and keep the patient healthy.”</p>
<h6><strong>On accelerating the value movement </strong></h6>
<p>“I used to go back to Washington, D.C., and talk to congressmen and senators and so forth and say, ‘Fee for service is bad and capitation is good,’ and they were looking at me like I had two heads. Now, when we’re in Washington, D.C., talking about capitation, it’s conventional wisdom; it’s commonly accepted that we need to move there … I think legislation is part of the answer and then I think we need to look to employers clamoring for more value.”</p>
<h6><strong>On the causes of physician burnout</strong></h6>
<p>“The volume of cries of despair from physicians has risen year over year, and it’s at a high pitch right now … The single biggest cause is the fee-for-service payment model. Physicians needing or wanting to make more money, whether it’s to put children through college or whatever, need to work more in order to make more. So, they’re on the hamster wheel. They run faster and faster and they work longer hours. This is almost a Sisyphus kind of a model of working more, working harder in order to make more money. That is the nature of fee for service.”</p>
<p>“The other part then moves into administrative areas. Indeed, physicians not fortunate enough to be employed by well-staffed and well-resourced groups, they’re having to do a lot of administrative work and they’re trying to keep up with quality measurement programs that vary from payer to payer to payer. There’s a lot of reporting requirements. And so the amount of time they spend in nonpatient care has risen year after year and it’s burning them out. And we need to fix that and fix this payment model.”</p>
<h6><strong>On compensating physicians</strong></h6>
<p>“[APG] honor(s) physicians. We do, and we feel they should be honored and well compensated. The talk we hear out of Congress about sequesters and reducing physician compensation and physicians are overpaid, just makes my head spin, frankly. We need the best and the brightest. We need to compensate them accordingly. If we don’t, we won’t have the best physician workforce in the world, which I think we presently do. But we’re going to need to take better care of our physicians.”</p>
<h6><strong>On restoring the patient-doctor relationship </strong></h6>
<p>“Patients have relationships with physicians, not with health plans and not even really with hospitals. So the core of our system is the patient-physician relationship. Those physicians do best when they’re operating in an organized group, where they’re supported by others, whether it’s nurses or nurse practitioners or data analysts, etcetera … And my hope and I guess request or prayer would be that we proliferate this capitated, integrated organized group model across the country just as quick as we can and we will be far better off for having done so.”</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Donald-Crane_Episode-36.pdf">READ: Full transcript with Donald Crane</a></strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>Hundreds of listeners participated in the 2021 <em>Fixing Healthcare </em>survey and the results offer surprising insights into medicine’s cultural issues. <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/new-survey-to-fix-healthcare/"><strong>Learn more »</strong></a></span></p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a new book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a></span>.”</p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> is a co-production of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a>. Subscribe to the show via Apple, Google, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792/admin/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a>.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/08/09/fhc-36-donald-crane/">FHC #36: How physician teamwork makes the dream work</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>CTT #43: To booster or not to booster?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/07/28/ctt-43-booster/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl dive deep into the ever-thickening plotline around booster shots.</p>
<p>Drug companies like Pfizer are pushing for them. Government agencies like the CDC and FDA are pushing back. Some critics say drug companies are acting out of greed and not in the interest of the public. Others are turning to the data for answers, noting that new variants and uncertainty around antibodies should drive the discussion.</p>
<p>Tune in for more on this debate and answers to the following questions:</p>
<p><strong>[01:02] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[05:20]</strong> How dangerous is the Delta variant for vaccinated and unvaccinated people?</p>
<p><strong>[16:29]</strong> <strong>Dr. Pearl asks listeners: If you’re still vaccine-hesitant, what’s standing in your way? </strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact/"><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Contact the hosts here</span></strong></a><strong> (your privacy is guaranteed) </strong></p>
<p><strong>[18:18]</strong> Why would the FDA approve the controversial Alzheimer’s drug but not a Covid-19 vaccine booster that’s proven to be effective?</p>
<p><strong>[21:50]</strong> Why are so many healthcare workers still unvaccinated and what’s being done?</p>
<p><strong>[29:43]</strong> A listener asks: “I had Covid-19 and recovered fully. Do I need the vaccine?”</p>
<p><strong>[32:03] </strong>What do scientists know about vaccine side effects, such as neurologic disorders, nerve problems and blood clotting?</p>
<p><strong>[34:22] </strong>With Covid-19 infections rising again, how are team sports being affected?</p>
<p><strong>[37:08]</strong> With schools opening next month, what are public health officials recommending?</p>
<p><strong>[38:22] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[39:31]</strong> What’s the big non-Covid healthcare story?</p>
<p><strong>[41:14]</strong> What reasons have people given co-host Jeremy Corr for not being vaccinated?</p>
<p><strong>[45:40] </strong>Is it safe to travel by plane with unvaccinated children?</p>
<p><strong>[46:29] </strong>What do we know about Covid-19’s impact on U.S. life expectancy?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/07/28/ctt-43-booster/">CTT #43: To booster or not to booster?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>CTT #42: How dangerous is the Delta variant?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/07/13/ctt-42-delta-variant/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2021 01:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“How worried should people be about the Delta variant?” asked one listener of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>.</p>
<p>The answer: Very. “Data published online this week shows the Delta variant spreads 225% faster than the original coronavirus,” said cohost Dr. Robert Pearl in this episode, adding that there are approximately 1,000 times more copies of this coronavirus strain in the respiratory tracts of infected people. What’s more, those infected with the Delta variant tend to become infectious far earlier in the clinical course. Combined these factors make this mutant coronavirus more dangerous, both for those who come down with the virus and those who remain unvaccinated.</p>
<p>This troubling trend, plus a deeper dive into the science and the following questions—all in this episode of <strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong> with Jeremy Corr and Dr. Pearl.</p>
<p><strong>[01:00] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the Covid-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[05:21] </strong>How worried should people be about the Delta variant of Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[11:06] </strong>Can the Delta infect and sicken vaccinated people?</p>
<p><strong>[14:43] </strong>How do we explain Israel’s experience with this variant (given high vaccination rates)?</p>
<p><strong>[17:23] </strong>Listener question: “Our family is fully vaccinated, so why did LA County just recommend that we continue to wear masks inside?”</p>
<p><strong>[19:07] </strong>Listener question: “Thank you for your global coverage of the pandemic. I want to know what is the current thinking on the vaccine that was developed in China and is being distributed to many countries around the world?”</p>
<p><strong>[25:28] </strong>U.S. vaccinations have fallen from 4 million per day to about half a million. What do we know about the vaccine holdouts?</p>
<p><strong>[28:09] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[30:36] </strong>What’s the big story in non-Covid news this week?</p>
<p><strong>[33:46] </strong>Will patients take advantage of price-shopping elective services after Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[34:38] </strong>What about other the healthcare transparency measures recently introduced?</p>
<p><strong>[35:39] </strong>Why has American longevity declined and will numbers rebound this year?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
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		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/07/12/fhc-35-the-ama-james-madara/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2021 12:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This episode kicks off season 6 of the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast and, this time around, cohosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr are flipping the show’s format on its head.</p>
<p>Instead of asking each guest for a comprehensive plan to fix the entire healthcare system (a la <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/08/08/episode-1-zdoggmd/">ZDoggMD</a>, <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/11/07/episode-4/">Eric Topol</a> and <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2018/12/09/episode-5-don-berwick/">Don Berwick</a> in season 1), Pearl and Corr are going vertical and deep—searching for solutions from those who represent the system’s various parts.</p>
<p>Season 6 will feature people who lead and represent doctors, nurses, insurers, drug companies, hospitals, entrepreneurs and others.</p>
<p>It begins with <a href="https://www.ama-assn.org/news-leadership-viewpoints/authors-news-leadership-viewpoints/james-l-madara-md"><strong>Dr. James Madara</strong></a>, CEO of the <strong>American Medical Association</strong>, the nation’s largest physician organization. Madara, now in his tenth year at the helm, shapes the AMA’s long-term strategy and chairs the AMA’s innovation arm, Health2047 Inc.</p>
<p>In this interview, he weighs in on the nation’s “tsunami” of chronic disease and the role doctors must play in making medicine more equitable. He talks about educating doctors for the 21st century and how AMA lobbies on behalf of its members.</p>
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<h4 style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>James Madara Interview Highlights </u></strong></h4>
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<h6><strong>On the AMA then vs. now  </strong></h6>
<p>“We began as an organization that was focused on clinical ethics and education, and getting educational standards established for medicine, and there were none at that time. We were encouraged by the states to step into that space. As to the last 10 years, the more recent end of our spectrum, we have a rolling five-year strategic framework that has three components: Dealing with the tsunami of chronic disease, hypertension and pre-diabetes in particular … lifelong education, training physicians for the 21st rather than the 20th century … and then third is removing the many obstacles that interfere with patient-physician interactions, so that we can get better outcomes and a healthier nation.”</p>
<h6><strong>On the future of telemedicine </strong></h6>
<p>“In three months in 2020, telemedicine advanced in a way that I would think that it would’ve taken 10 years to advance … Within a period of two months, it wasn’t a 3x increase in telemedicine or a 10x increase, it was a 100x or more increase in telemedicine. I think not everything can be done by telemedicine. It’s hard to palpate the abdomen by telemedicine. But a lot can be done, and it could be upwards of 30, 40% of what needs to be done, particularly in follow-ups. Hopefully, the regulatory relaxation will be kept, and also the appropriate reimbursement so one can have a sustainable practice will also be kept.”</p>
<h6><strong>On physician burnout </strong></h6>
<p>“Burned out physicians retire earlier, they work fewer hours, there are risks in terms of quality and adverse events. So, it’s something that we really need to pay attention to and mitigate … [Doctors] are in a cognitively complex field. Their intrinsic motivation is spent time with patients. Their reality is time with the computer and paperwork, and they end up burned out. And so, we have a lot of time that we could harvest from the physician workforce we have if we just made the environment around them function better.”</p>
<h6><strong>On the AMA’s code of medical ethics </strong></h6>
<p>“The first document produced by the AMA after its founding in 1847, that same year, was the first code of clinical medical ethics. I think that was the first code of clinical medical ethics in the world. It&#8217;s a one-pager, and a copy of it is hanging on the wall in my office. The current code of medical ethics runs over 300 pages and just went through a major update year before last because of all of the issues around transplant, treatment, harassment, these kinds of things. So, it is a living document. It is very complex and many institutions have adopted it for their own code as well.”</p>
<h6><strong>On the future of medical education </strong></h6>
<p>“In the future, how you learn may be more important than what you know. Of course, you have to have a base of knowledge, but having that base, you can never take a base of knowledge that is broad enough given today’s literature and numbers of diagnoses, the expansion of the literature that we have. So, that’s going to be very important. One of the ways that we’re thinking about that with our own ed-hub is to create a digital platform where education is much more easily accessed.”</p>
<h6><strong>On how the AMA lobbies for doctors </strong></h6>
<p>“At a meta level, we lobby for one thing, and that’s our mission statement. And the mission statement is to promote the art and science of medicine in the betterment of public health. And then, under that mission statement, are the policies of the house [of delegates] that make what we lobby for more granular. And those relate to the principles that I outlined … [which] include greater access, stronger safety net, stronger children’s health program, consistency in the healthcare system, removal of administrative complexity so people can spend time with patients, and patients seem to want that extra time with their physicians as well.”</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_James-Madara_Episode-35.pdf">READ: Full transcript with James Madara</a></strong></p>
<p style="text-align: center;">* * *</p>
<p>The 2021 <em>Fixing Healthcare </em>survey is open for voting through July 30, 2021. Inspired by season 5 and its guests, this survey asks listeners to weigh in on medicine’s most problematic cultural issues. Hundreds of listeners have already voted. Add your thoughts. <a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/new-survey-to-fix-healthcare/"><strong>Vote now »</strong></a></p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl is the author of a new book about medicine’s invisible yet highly influential physician culture. Check out “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></a>.”</p>
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		<title>CTT #41: Are kids birthday parties the biggest super-spreader events?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/06/28/ctt-41-kids-birthday-parties/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2021 21:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A close look at data from 2.9 million households revealed something bizarre about birthdays. Results of a study published in <em>JAMA Internal Medicine</em> indicated a 31% higher frequency of Covid-19 infection within two weeks of a birthday between January and November of 2020.</p>
<p>Those celebrating a child’s birthday were at the highest risk of all. What does the data mean about the dangers of informal gatherings with children present? The answer to this and the following questions in this episode of <strong><em><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/">Coronavirus: The Truth</a></em></strong> with Jeremy Corr and Dr. Pearl.</p>
<p><strong>[01:00] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[06:22] </strong>Why did the NIH retroactively change its Covid-19 infection numbers?</p>
<p><strong>[08:56] </strong>Why are young people reporting heart problems after vaccination?</p>
<p><strong>[11:37] </strong>Do Covid-19 vaccines lower sperm count?</p>
<p><strong>[13:45] </strong>Listener question: Are there any new medications to treat Covid-19?<strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>[15:56] </strong>Listener question: What is Japan doing about Covid-19 with the Olympics coming up?</p>
<p><strong>[17:14] </strong>Are kids birthday parties becoming super-spreader events?</p>
<p><strong>[20:39] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[23:38] </strong>You tell us: Should this show cover non-Covid-19 issues?</p>
<p><strong>[26:47] </strong>Should powerful nations share or store their vaccine surpluses?</p>
<p><strong>[29:28] </strong>Why are medical licenses handed out by states and not the federal government?</p>
<p><strong>[30:49] </strong>Is the dip in Covid-19 testing a threat to our nation’s health?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
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		<title>CTT #40: Was social distancing a waste of time?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/06/17/ctt-40-social-distancing/</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2021 19:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>As the pandemic winds down, scientists and pollsters are looking closer at public health decisions in hindsight. A new <strong><a href="https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-masks-fewer-positive-tests-87a97b0f-6d30-4440-a16f-ef73bb859c2b.html">Axios-Ipsos</a></strong> poll looked into whether masking and social distancing actually saved lives.</p>
<p>Relying on self-reported data, the poll results showed that respondents who never wore a mask were twice as likely to get COVID-19 as those who wore masks all the time. Meanwhile, only 10% of people who always kept a six-foot distance from others tested positive whereas 26% of people never followed social-distancing guidelines tested positive.</p>
<p>Given that people who social distanced and wore masks all the time got tested more regularly than those who didn’t, we can extrapolate that the infection gap was even greater than indicated in this poll. The conclusion: “Turns out that wearing a mask and social distancing really weren’t a waste of time.” Much more on this and the following questions in this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a> with Jeremy Corr and Dr. Pearl.</p>
<p><strong>[01:00] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[06:53] </strong>When will the FDA give Covid-19 vaccines full approval?</p>
<p><strong>[11:08] </strong>Listener question: “Why has the U.S. been reluctant to help other countries with their Covid-19 problems?”</p>
<p><strong>[14:47] </strong>Listener question: “How are other countries doing with vaccinations? When will the rest of the world open up like [the U.S. is] doing?”</p>
<p><strong>[17:22] </strong>How will Covid-19 impact the U.S. economy long-term?</p>
<p><strong>[23:51] </strong>How does the Delta variant in India impact global travel?</p>
<p><strong>[28:02] Did social distancing make a difference, according to research?</strong></p>
<p><strong>[32:04] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[37:00] </strong>Listener suggestion: “Maybe you could expand this program to other new information from healthcare. I love your style of telling it as it is, and so maybe you can give updates beyond the coronavirus.”</p>
<p><strong>[49:20] </strong>Do other nations struggle with the outsized influence of lobbying and campaign contributions on healthcare policy?</p>
<p><strong>[5:3] </strong>What’s Jeremy’s take on the controversial new Alzheimer’s drug?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
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		<title>Season 5 recap: Fixing the culture of medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/06/14/season-5-recap/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2021 02:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The first four seasons of the <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> podcast focused on how to fix the U.S. healthcare system—its perverse payment model, clunky computer systems and regulatory dysfunctions.</p>
<p>However, contrary to what most people believe, fixing the system won’t be enough to solve healthcare’s biggest problems. We must also address the invisible and highly influential <strong>culture of medicine</strong>, which is rooted in the norms and values doctors learn in medical school and carry throughout their careers.</p>
<p>Culture was the focus of Season Five of the <em>Fixing Healthcare </em>podcast, which featured eight insightful episodes. In this final episode of the season, <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/meet-the-hosts/">co-hosts</a> Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr recap the lessons learned from some of nation’s most respected leaders in public health, technology, medical culture, and patient advocacy.</p>
<p><strong>Note: Take the new <a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/new-survey-to-fix-healthcare/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Fixing Healthcare Survey</span></a> to offer your opinions on medicine&#8217;s biggest cultural challenges. </strong></p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><u>LOOKING BACK AT SEASON FIVE</u></p>
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<h5><strong>Episode 1: Zubin Damania</strong></h5>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/10/11/episode-26-zdoggmd-culture/">Listen to the episode</a> | <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Zubin-Damania_Episode-26.pdf">Read the transcript</a></p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare</em> welcomed its first ever returning guest, Zubin Damania, a physician and entertainer known to his legions of followers as ZDoggMD. Damania hosts the internet’s No. 1 medical news and entertainment show, and is a leading voice for patient-centered healthcare, focusing on prevention and team-based medicine. <strong>Key quote:</strong> “Part of the culture of medicine is that our payment models have changed how we actually view what is right and wrong. And that’s been a real problem in moving forward with any kind of real change in medicine. So, medicine by its nature, by its culture, resists change.”</p>
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<h5><strong>Episode 2: Amanda Calhoun</strong></h5>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/11/15/episode-27-amanda-calhoun/">Listen to the episode</a> | <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Amanda-Calhoun_Episode-27.pdf">Read the transcript</a></p>
<p>Dr. Amanda Calhoun is an Adult/Child Psychiatry Resident at Yale and an emerging voice in the national discussion about race relations in medicine. She gained national attention at Yale’s White Coats for Black Lives event. She believes every doctor should be an anti-racism advocate. <strong>Key quote:</strong> “You’re either actively working against racism and you’re actively supporting policies and behaviors that are working to rectify a racist system, or you are upholding a racist system … because if you’re just silent, that’s not anti-racist, that’s racist.”</p>
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<h5><strong>Episode 3: Eric Topol</strong></h5>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/12/13/episode-28-eric-topol/">Listen to the episode</a> | <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Eric-Topol_Episode-28.pdf">Read the transcript</a></p>
<p>Dr. Eric Topol is a cardiologist, geneticist, researcher and pioneer in the field of digital care. He has published three bestselling books on the future of medicine and serves as editor-in-chief of the popular healthcare news site Medscape. As founder and director of Scripps Research Translational Institute, he is on the cutting edge of genomics and individualized medicine. <strong>Key quote: </strong>“The problem we have in AI medical research, it’s always ‘man versus machine.’ With few exceptions, what it should be is man plus machine. The sum of the parts is greater than either of the components.”</p>
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<h5><strong>Episode 4: Leana Wen</strong></h5>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/01/17/episode-29-leana-wen/">Listen to the episode</a> | <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Leana-Wen_Episode-29.pdf">Read the transcript</a></p>
<p>Dr. Leana Wen is an emergency physician and a public health professor at George Washington University. She’s also a contributing columnist for Washington Post and an on-air medical analyst for CNN. Previously, she served as Baltimore’s health commissioner. Wen spoke powerfully about the difficulties patients face in their communities and how physician culture has been reluctant to take on the social determinants of health. <strong>Key quote:</strong> “Isn’t it our responsibility as physicians and as healthcare workers to tackle [societal] issues when that’s ultimately the root of illness? Otherwise, we’re only addressing the symptoms and not the cause.”</p>
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<h5><strong>Episode 5: Lisa Sanders </strong></h5>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/02/15/episode-30-lisa-sanders/">Listen to the episode</a> | <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Lisa-Sanders_Episode-30.pdf">Read the transcript</a></p>
<p>Dr. Lisa Sanders is an associate professor of internal medicine at Yale and a contributing writer for <em>New York Times Magazine</em>. Her career served as the inspiration for the television series <em>House</em> for which she was a medical consultant. In 2019, Dr. Sanders created the Netflix miniseries <em>Diagnosis</em>. She talked on<em> Fixing Healthcare</em> about the struggles of primary care in the context of medical culture. <strong>Key quote:</strong> “We pay an invasive cardiologist five to 10 times more than we pay internists, even though I think it can clearly be shown that general internists save more lives than those interventional cardiologists.”</p>
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<h5><strong>Episode 6: Jen Gunter </strong></h5>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/03/15/episode-31-jen-gunter/">Listen to the episode</a> | <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Jen-Gunter_Episode-31.pdf">Read the transcript</a></p>
<p>Dr. Jen Gunter is an obstetrician gynecologist specializing in chronic pain. She’s also a <em>New York Times</em> columnist, and the author of “The Preemie Primer: A Complete Guide for Parents of Premature Babies.” Her new book “The Menopause Manifesto” is now available in paperback. Gunter’s comments focused on women’s health and the issue of sexism in medicine. <strong>Key quote: </strong>“I was in medicine 20 years before there was a woman who was the chair of my department, so I think that says something.”</p>
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<h5><strong>Episode 7: Alison Hadden </strong></h5>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/04/19/fhc-32-alison-hadden/">Listen to the episode</a> | <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Alison-Hadden_Episode-32.pdf">Read the transcript</a></p>
<p>Alison Hadden is a lifelong athlete, an adventurer and was, by age 38, a marketing executive at three different billion-dollar tech companies. But in 2018, Alison says “life burst through the door.” She was diagnosed with advanced breast cancer. Three years later, she is grappling with a terminal diagnosis. In this interview, Hadden shared her perspective as a patient.<strong> Key quote:</strong> “I wasn’t eager to talk about death or dying because in my mind, I was going to beat this thing. And now, I feel that if doctors only knew that talking about [death] is actually healing.”</p>
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<h5><strong>Episode 8: Marty Makary</strong></h5>
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<p>The final guest on Season Five was Dr. Marty Makary. He practices surgical oncology at Johns Hopkins, wrote the book “The Price We Pay” and has published over 250 scientific articles, including many on the redesign of healthcare. He has spent most of his career trying to improve the quality and safety of healthcare.<strong> Key quote:</strong> “Let’s talk about patients falling through the cracks of our complicated system. Let’s talk about [doctors] doing unnecessary things or prescribing [medications] people don’t need. We just went from 2.4 billion prescriptions 10 years ago to 5 billion last year. Did disease really double in 10 years?”</p>
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<p><strong><u><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Season-5-Recap_Episode-34.pdf">Read: The full transcript from the Season Five recap</a></u></strong></p>
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<p>For Dr. Robert Pearl, the culture of medicine is a topic of vital importance. For years, he has been researching and reporting on physician culture—efforts that led to the publication of his new book, “<a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/uncaring/">Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</a>.”</p>
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		<title>CTT #39: What’s the truth about Covid-19&#8217;s origins?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/06/02/ctt-39-covid-19-origins/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2021 01:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Several recent news stories have revived the debate over whether the novel coronavirus was first transmitted from a bat to a human via a wet market in Wuhan, China, or whether its origins can be traced to the Wuhan Institute of Virology as a result of a laboratory error.</p>
<p>A U.S. intelligence report found that three researchers at the institute were sick enough in November 2019 to require hospital care—meaning they had symptoms consist with Covid-19 a full month before the first case was officially reported in China.</p>
<p>If that’s the case, how might the virus have made its way into the institute? And would this explanation legitimize past internet conspiracy theories? Much more on this and the following questions in this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a> with Jeremy Corr and Dr. Pearl.</p>
<p><strong>[01:01] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[03:07] </strong>How effective are current vaccines against the new global variants?</p>
<p><strong>[05:08] Wet market or lab: where did the novel coronavirus originate?</strong></p>
<p><strong>[11:59] </strong>Why is there still so much distrust in the U.S. pertaining to Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[13:38] </strong>Will vaccinated Americans need booster shots?</p>
<p><strong>[18:47] </strong>Can schools and employers legally mandate vaccination?</p>
<p><strong>[23:36] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[26:46] </strong>What are “breakthrough infections” and should we be concerned?</p>
<p><strong>[29:24] </strong>Was cancelling the Olympic Games a smart move by Japanese leaders?</p>
<p><strong>[31:01] </strong>Would a financial incentive combat vaccine hesitancy?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
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		<title>CTT #38: Masks in classrooms for students this fall?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/05/19/ctt-38-masks-in-class/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2021 03:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Anthony Fauci recently called for schools to reopen “<a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fauci-backs-cdc-s-school-reopening-plan-we-need-try-n1256060"><strong>full blast</strong></a>,” with in-person classes five days a week. Meanwhile, CDC officials said that schools should resume in-person learning as soon as possible *if* social distancing and masks are properly enforced.</p>
<p>When it comes to this pandemic, it’s always risky trying to predict what public health guidance will look like four months into the future. But a “more normal school experience” seems likely, according to Fixing Healthcare co-host Dr. Robert Pearl. More on that and the following questions in this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a> with Jeremy Corr and Dr. Pearl.</p>
<p><strong>[00:58] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[03:30] </strong>What’s the latest Covid-19 news for parents?</p>
<p><strong>[05:11] </strong>Are Americans afraid of returning to life as (pre-pandemic) normal?</p>
<p><strong>[08:09] </strong>What are the options for school in the fall?</p>
<p><strong>[10:57]</strong> What exactly is herd immunity?</p>
<p><strong>[18:55]</strong> What’s happening with <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2021/05/17/indias-covid-19-tragedy-was-almost-americas-reality/?sh=9824eb22c615">pandemic in India</a>?</p>
<p><strong>[23:51]</strong> Can Ibuprofen decrease immune-system response to Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[25:26] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[27:44]</strong> How does heart disease correlate with Covid-19 risks?</p>
<p><strong>[29:51] </strong>Do Americans really observe or understand CDC guidelines?</p>
<p><strong>[32:58] </strong>How could CDC guidance and public health messaging be clearer and more consistent?  <strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>[39:33]</strong> Should parents vaccinate young kids?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
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		<title>FHC #33: Marty Makary on eliminating waste in medical education</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/05/09/fhc-33-marty-makary/</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2021 04:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Marty Makary, a nationally renowned surgeon and educator at Johns Hopkins, goes about life as if having ingested a truth serum for which there is no antidote. Hear him speak or read his writing, and you’ll find no punches pulled.</p>
<p>On <em>Fox News</em>, where he’s a regular commentator, Makary was openly critical of the CDC’s double-masking recommendation, calling it “mostly a show.” And in a <em>WSJ</em> article published in February 2021, he claimed the U.S. would achieve herd immunity by April, arguing that experts had radically under-calculated the nation’s “natural immunity.” In his latest book, <em>The Price We Pay</em>, Makary boldly confessed to having overprescribed opioid medications to his patients.</p>
<p>Some view Makary’s self-imposed honesty policy as a public service, both righteous and good. Others call him reckless and attention-seeking. He is aware that his unique brand of candor isn’t for everyone: “It’s a lonely place, when you try to talk truth to what you truly believe based on the best information.”</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr called upon Makary to share his unfiltered views about the culture of American medicine. The doctor did not disappoint.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Marty Makary’s Interview Highlights </u></strong></p>
<p><strong>On useless memorization in medical education  </strong></p>
<p>“I would get rid of all the useless sh*t we teach our medical students and pre-med students and residents and fellows—all the 16 years of education that I went through, learning stuff that has nothing to do with patient care that you don’t need to memorize. And it came at the exclusion of so many other things that are important to know, like how to break bad news … We do that all the time to our young. It’s disgusting what we’re doing, making every medical student memorize the Krebs Cycle at six different points in their education, for what?”</p>
<p><strong>On humility</strong></p>
<p>“I have enormous respect for … Dr. Fauci and many others, but I think it would help their credibility if they showed more humility and apologized for some of the big things they got wrong. I tried to do this myself in my recent book, <em>The Price We Pay</em>, with all the opioids I prescribed. All my colleagues were doing it as well.  It didn’t make it right. I still feel bad about it. I mean, probably some people had fatal addiction from opioids that I gave them, they should not have received. Now, I could justify it, but you know what? It’s therapeutic to me at least to say, ‘I had it wrong.’ And it’s probably good for people to see that humility.”</p>
<p><strong>On the oligarchy of medical journals </strong></p>
<p>“The journals have been largely controlled by a very small group of like-minded people and they tend to use cronyism to hire their editorial boards … The value of diversity is to bring multiple points of view, sometimes points of view that challenge preexisting ideas.”</p>
<p><strong>On letting doctors be doctors </strong></p>
<p>“Can I say something a little radical here? How about we get the monkeys off our back as doctors? All this peer-to-peer, pre-authorization, you can’t do this on this, the all-or-nothing clinical pathways that disregard the fact that every patient is unique. They’re individuals with their own wishes and their own goals and their own unique circumstances, especially when they’re older. How about we let doctors be doctors, accept practice variation but do it within certain boundaries where we can look at the practice on an annual basis or on a six month basis and say that this practice pattern appears to be reasonable or this practice pattern appears to be a pattern of concern, a yellow flag or this practice pattern exceeds a threshold that a broad consensus of experts believe to be indefensible.”</p>
<p><strong>On suing patients for unpaid medical bills </strong></p>
<p>“I’ve yet to find more than a handful of people that think it’s reasonable to sue the socks off an everyday Walmart worker or food-service worker who had insurance and couldn’t afford to pay their bill. The hospitals do this to garnish their paychecks, and it’s a disgrace. It harms the precious public trust. That incredible heritage of taking care of anyone in need … been eroded by this horrible corporate practice of price gouging and predatory billing. And every healthcare professional in America should be offended by this disgusting practice.”</p>
<p><strong>On futile care in the ICU </strong></p>
<p>“If you look at the appropriateness of care, we’ve got two problems: over-treatment and under-treatment. But by far, over-treatment is dominating the problem right now. In the ICU, we have the problem of futile care, care that’s entirely senseless and disrespectful and provides no dignity. And it’s painful for anyone to watch. Any reasonable person would know no one would want to be treated that way. We see that, and sometimes we&#8217;re helpless with that because ultimately it’s the family’s decision.”</p>
<p><strong>On living in a nation of extremes </strong></p>
<p>“Why does everything in America have to be one extreme or the other? Why do you have to be all pro-universal, double masking after vaccination or no masking whatsoever; masks are BS. Why is it that we have such a hard time, being in this lonely place in the middle where you’re actually just intellectually following what you believe to be the best science and what’s reasonable?”</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Marty-Makary_Episode-33.pdf">READ: Full transcript with Marty Makary</a> </strong></p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare </em>is in its fifth season, which focuses on the culture of medicine. For Dr. Robert Pearl, this topic is of vital importance. For years, he has been researching and reporting on physician culture—efforts that culminate May 18, 2021 with the publication of his book “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</strong></span></a>.”</p>
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		<title>CTT #37: Will pandemic stress cause clinicians to quit medicine?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/05/03/ctt-37-pandemic-stress/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2021 18:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Co-host Dr. Pearl spoke with several critical care physicians in <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2021/04/19/doctors-cant-cope-with-anguish-of-covid-19-casualties/?sh=22448a73b216"><strong>a recent Forbes article</strong></a>. One of those doctors described waking up regularly before sunrise, covered in sweat. Another seasoned physician said he had four patients die in a single day from Covid-19—more patients than he’d ever lost in a month. A resident explained that he started his ICU rotation with six Covid-19 patients. All were dead by the end of the month.</p>
<p>According to a national KFF/Washington Post poll, a majority of healthcare workers say the Covid-19 crisis is taking a toll on their mental health. Citing stress and burnout, <strong><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/22/health-workers-covid-quit/">3 in 10 clinicians</a></strong> have considered leaving the profession.</p>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl discuss the rising professional dissatisfaction of doctors and their risk of PTSD once the pandemic is over. Here are the questions that were asked and answered <strong>[and when] </strong>on this week’s show:</p>
<p><strong>[00:58] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[06:41] </strong>Does exercise prevent severe Covid-19 symptoms?</p>
<p><strong>[09:33]</strong> What’s up with mandatory vaccines on college campuses?</p>
<p><strong>[11:04]</strong> Was the J&amp;J pause good or bad for public trust?</p>
<p><strong>[13:17]</strong> <strong>How has Covid-19 impacted healthcare workers?</strong></p>
<p><strong>[15:11] </strong>How widespread is vaccine hesitancy in the United States?</p>
<p><strong>[19:00] </strong>Listener question: “You guys talked about long-Covid a couple episodes ago. Is there an update on this? Have scientists learned anything new on that front?”</p>
<p><strong>[20:20] </strong>Any good news this week?</p>
<p><strong>[22:41] </strong>Texas vs. California: how do their infection, death and vaccine stats compare?</p>
<p><strong>[26:22] </strong>How comfortable should we be with: air travel, dining in restaurants and attending sporting events?</p>
<p><strong>[28:21] </strong>Will doctors and hospitals begin to charge out-of-pocket fees for Covid-19 related care?</p>
<p><strong>[29:57] </strong>How to explain high number of cases, hospitalizations and deaths in a state like Michigan, which was stricter than most?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
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		<title>CTT #36: Is the J&#038;J vaccine scare an overreaction or scientifically valid?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/04/20/ctt-36-jj-vaccine/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2021 13:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The FDA has recommended a temporary pause of the J&amp;J vaccine until scientists can sort out what’s causing a rare (and, in one case, fatal) blood clot in a six women who received the vaccine. Recently, a CDC advisory panel opted to delay its vote on the safety of the J&amp;J vaccine, needing more data and information before rendering its verdict.</p>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl look deeper at the scientific details, facts, and next steps concerning the J&amp;J vaccine. Here are the questions that were asked and answered <strong>[and when] </strong>on this week’s show:</p>
<p><strong>[00:56] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[04:44] Dozens of listeners have asked about the J&amp;J vaccine. What’s happening with Johnson &amp; Johnson and the rare blood-clot in question? </strong></p>
<p><strong>[16:36] </strong>What’s the difference between an anti-vaxxer and someone who’s vaccine-hesitant?</p>
<p><strong>[17:55]</strong> Is one vaccine safer and more effective than the others?</p>
<p><strong>[20:44]</strong> Is it likely the the mRNA research that led to Pfizer and Moderna vaccines lead to future vaccines against other viruses, such as malaria?</p>
<p><strong>[24:41]</strong> What do we know about the psychological impact of getting Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[26:25]</strong> What do scientists know about the transmissibility and lethality of the coronavirus variant B.1.1.7 from the United Kingdom.?</p>
<p><strong>[28:46] </strong>What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[32:27]</strong> Pfizer’s CEO predicts we’ll need booster shots in the future. Why did he say that and how often would we need them?</p>
<p><strong>[34:50]</strong> Has the bruhaha over the J&amp;J vaccine affected people’s overall perception of vaccine safety?</p>
<p><strong>[37:49] </strong>How can we close the perception gap between vaccine hesitant Americans and those who desire to see our country achieve herd immunity?</p>
<p><strong>[42:28]</strong> What should parents know about Covid-19 this week?</p>
<p><strong>[45:36] </strong>We saw public health officials tout “wear a mask, stay at home, and get the vaccine” early and often. Why haven’t they championed a similar approach for dealing with our nation’s obesity problem?</p>
<p><strong>[52:48] </strong>In Europe, cases are spiking and hospitals are filling up. What’s going on?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/04/20/ctt-36-jj-vaccine/">CTT #36: Is the J&#038;J vaccine scare an overreaction or scientifically valid?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>FHC #32: A patient with terminal cancer opens up about her doctors</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/04/19/fhc-32-alison-hadden/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2021 16:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Alison Hadden is a lifelong athlete, an adventurer and was, by age 38, a marketing executive at three different billion-dollar tech companies. But in 2018, Alison says “life burst through the door.”</p>
<p>She was diagnosed with advanced breast cancer. Three years later, she is grappling with a terminal diagnosis.</p>
<p>Neither Alison nor her doctors are certain how much time she has left. And yet, Alison often finds herself waiting and waiting &#8230; and waiting on the people who provide her medical care. After she first felt a lump in her breast, she waited more than a month for her diagnosis. After scheduling a recent call with her oncologist to go over lab results, she waited by her phone for over three hours. Alison got so sick of waiting weeks for her appointments that she started bribing the scheduling nurses with donuts.</p>
<p>In this episode, learn about the culture of medicine from a patient with no time to waste.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Interview Highlights from Alison Hadden</u></strong></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>On the painstaking process of getting diagnosed </strong></p>
<p>“I was 38 years old at the time, was super fit, athlete my whole life, had, I think, gone out for a eight or 10 mile trail run. And when I came back that day, I just had recognized when I was getting in the shower that there was a lump in my breast and I got on it pretty quickly, assuming it was nothing, but wanting to make sure I did everything I could …  It took probably a week for me to get an appointment and that was me working hard to try and get the earliest appointment that I could. I had another week or two weeks until I was able to get my mammogram scheduled, and then another week to get the biopsy scheduled. And I was diagnosed, probably about a month after initially finding that lump in September of 2018, I was diagnosed with stage three.”</p>
<p><strong>On ‘project-managing’ her own cancer treatment  </strong></p>
<p>“I was super overwhelmed. The news of this came in as a complete shock. Friends said that I was like the healthiest person they know, didn&#8217;t drink, smoke, do drugs, appeared very fit. So, this was just a huge shock to myself and my family. And the overwhelming sort of tidal wave of appointments and scans, and the second opinions, everything that happened in that first six weeks, was just so much. And I remember thinking, gosh, I am so on top of things, I have a bias towards action when I&#8217;m anxious. I can&#8217;t imagine someone that was older if they had to navigate my situation, if someone was not tech savvy, or even kind of like fast on their feet, and if someone was living alone and having to navigate all of it by themselves … I was a marketing executive in the tech industry. I was used to taking charge and leading. And I was project-managing my own cancer treatment.”</p>
<p><strong>On Covid-19 vaccine vs. cancer-care experience </strong></p>
<p>“If I can schedule a COVID vaccine through a CVS, why can&#8217;t I use a mobile app to book my labs next week before chemo and be able to change it up until a certain point? Why can&#8217;t I do that? Why do I still need a human scheduler &#8230; She looks at the schedule and then we go through it together. Why?”</p>
<p><strong>On patient anxieties that doctors don’t seem to understand </strong></p>
<p>“I love my oncologist. I think he&#8217;s fantastic. But even he, a couple of days ago, had told me, ‘You&#8217;re going to get the brain scan on Wednesday. You&#8217;re going to get the chest scan on Thursday. And then Friday morning, I&#8217;ll call you with the results.’</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s Friday morning and it&#8217;s 8:00, I set my alarm. It&#8217;s 9:00, it&#8217;s 10:00. At 10:00, I was bursting so I left his office a message and basically just said, ‘Hi, I&#8217;m still here waiting nervously, anxiously waiting.’ And I got a call around noon, or maybe 12:30, and he apologized right away and just said, ‘Sorry. I had a lot of things going on this morning.’”</p>
<p><strong>On living with the reality of death </strong></p>
<p>“I have no choice but to confront my mortality on a daily basis, but also find a way to not live in such fear of the unknown and the uncertainty around what&#8217;s it going to look like? When is it going to happen? What&#8217;s the deterioration going to be? The more I worry about the future, the more I&#8217;m taking away from the present. And all I&#8217;m trying to do is live for now and maximize my moments in a 24-hour period, which is everything that [my podcast] No Time to Waste is about. It&#8217;s about confronting that mortality, crafting a life without regrets, and maximizing moments based on the things I talk about, which is gratitude, human connection, and joy.”</p>
<p><strong>READ: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Alison-Hadden_Episode-32.pdf">Full transcript of our latest discussion with Alison Hadden</a></strong></p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare </em>is in its fifth season, which focuses on the culture of medicine. For Dr. Robert Pearl, this topic is of vital importance to the health and well-being of patients. For years, he has been researching and reporting on physician culture—efforts that will culminate in the publication of his 2021 book, “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/">Uncaring: How the Culture of Medicine Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</a>.”</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>. Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>. </em></p>
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		<title>CTT #35: How young is too young to be vaccinated?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/04/07/ctt-35-how-young-is-too-young/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2021 13:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>As vaccines get rolled out to younger and younger Americans, parents have questions and are raising serious concerns. Polls show just half of U.S. parents plan to get their children vaccinated for COVID-19 as soon as they can, according to the latest Axios/Ipsos Coronavirus Index.</p>
<p>But what does the science say about vaccinating children? The efficacy data look promising. Pfizer recently announced its vaccine is 100% effective in protecting against Covid-19 infection in children ages 12-15. The company has already begun trials in children six months to 11 years old, which raises the question: How young is too young to be vaccinated?</p>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Pearl discuss that coronavirus topic and many others. Here are the questions that were asked and answered <strong>[and when] </strong>on this week’s show:</p>
<p><strong>[00:55] </strong>Each show begins with the most recent and relevant facts concerning the COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[04:27] </strong>What has gone right with the Covid-19 vaccine and what problems remain? (see Dr. Pearl’s <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2021/04/01/revisited-5-things-that-could-go-wrong-with-a-coronavirus-vaccine/?sh=50b996fa6a87">latest Forbes article</a> for more on this)</p>
<p><strong>[12:22] </strong>Is the vaccine rollout a national case study in haves vs. have nots?</p>
<p><strong>[16:46]</strong> How soon after being vaccinated do people have immunity? How safe is it to travel?</p>
<p><strong>[20:30] </strong>With no more than 250 million people needing the vaccine to reach herd immunity, why has the U.S. purchase 600 million vaccine doses?</p>
<p><strong>[26:03]</strong> What’s up with AstraZeneca?</p>
<p><strong>[28:23]</strong> What’s good this week?</p>
<p><strong>[31:17] </strong>What do polls say about the willingness of Americans to be vaccinated?</p>
<p><strong>[33:11] </strong>Who’s getting sick from Covid-19 now that most elderly people are vaccinated?</p>
<p><strong>[35:35] </strong>Why aren’t the media covering the extremely high risk obesity poses to Covid-19 patients and our nation as whole?</p>
<p><strong>[43:16]</strong> What’s it going to take to convince vaccine hesitant Americans that the shots are safe and effective and far better than getting Covid-19?</p>
<p><strong>[48:06]</strong> Why are the Chinese and Russians outpacing the U.S. in terms of helping vaccinate citizens around the world? Is America at risk of losing its global reputation and influence?</p>
<p><strong>[50:11] </strong>Listener question: “For so long there appeared to be a vaccine shortage. Why are states now offering vaccines to practically everyone?”</p>
<p><strong>[52:26] Should kids get vaccinated? How young is too young? </strong></p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/04/07/ctt-35-how-young-is-too-young/">CTT #35: How young is too young to be vaccinated?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>CTT #34: What happened after Dr. Pearl’s ‘Covid-19 flight from hell’?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/03/25/ctt-34-flight-from-hell/</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2021 13:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>On Forbes, Dr. Robert Pearl wrote about his recent trip from San Diego to New York, which he referred to as the “<a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2021/03/15/covid-19-flight-from-hell-my-run-in-with-an-infected-passenger/"><strong>Covid-19 Flight From Hell</strong></a>.”</p>
<p>The article has been read by hundreds of thousands of people, most of whom were horrified by Pearl’s experience with the infected passenger and curious about what (if anything) the airline industry had to say for itself.</p>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Pearl discuss flying in the waning months of the Covid-19 era and whether Americans prefer the <em>feeling</em> of safety over actually being safe.</p>
<p>Here are the questions asked and answered on this week’s show:</p>
<ul>
<li>Each week, the show begins with the most recent and relevant facts of the COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</li>
<li>Can vaccinated grandparents visit their unvaccinated grandkids? What’s the new guidance?</li>
<li>When it comes to mental health, what’s new?</li>
<li>Listener question: “I’m hearing that the AstraZeneca vaccine causes blood clots. Is it dangerous? Should I avoid taking it if offered?”</li>
<li>Listener question: “I’m planning to have back surgery this month, but I had a mild case of the coronavirus a couple of weeks ago. How long do I need to wait?”</li>
<li>Why did the CDC change the “social distance” expectation for students from six feet to three?</li>
<li>Any good news this week?</li>
<li><strong>Numerous listeners wrote in about Dr. Pearl’s widely read article, “The Covid-19 Flight From Hell.” What did the airlines have to say? </strong></li>
<li>Listener question: “I’m confused about how people can transmit the coronavirus after they are vaccinated and therefore not being able to come in direct contact with unvaccinated people. Can you elaborate?”</li>
<li>What’s new when it comes to the “long haulers” discussed in <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/02/10/ctt-31-long-haulers/">episode 31</a>?</li>
<li>Why did Miami, Florida seem caught off guard by rowdy spring breakers?</li>
<li>What would it take to bring Americans together amid a great political divide?</li>
<li>What’s up with the Covid-19 death rates in Florida and California?</li>
<li>2020 was the deadliest year in U.S. history. Was that because of Covid-19?</li>
</ul>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
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		<title>Episode 31: Dr. Jen Gunter vs. sexism, pseudoscience &#038; the wellness-industrial complex</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/03/15/episode-31-jen-gunter/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2021 04:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Jen Gunter is known by many titles. She’s been called Twitter’s resident gynecologist, the Internet’s OB-GYN, and medicine’s fiercest advocate for women’s health. In her writing for <em>The New York Times</em> (and in her bestselling book <em>The Vagina Bible</em>), Gunter has gone after some of the nation’s most powerful players.</p>
<p>“I&#8217;ve taken on politicians, I’ve taken on the wellness industrial complex, and most recently, Vagisil, and they’re awful campaign to make teens embarrassed about their normal body smells and function,” she told <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr.</p>
<p>In 2015, Gunter’s blistering critiques of Goop, the wellness empire headed by Gwyneth Paltrow, became an internet sensation, sparking a national debate about the pseudoscience that surrounds health and wellness products.</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, Dr. Gunter takes on the culture of medicine, looking at the role sexism plays in the careers of doctors, the health of patients and the stories we tell about women’s bodies.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><u>Jen Gunter’s Interview Highlights</u></strong></p>
<p><strong>On the dangers of Goop and the &#8216;wellness-industrial complex&#8217;</strong></p>
<p>“A site like Goop is particularly dangerous, because it mixes good quality information, and they have some good information, with absolute harmful trash. So for example, they sell a coffee enema kit, they promote drinking raw milk, they have people who write content for them who are anti-vaxxers. And so, we know that it just takes one exposure to a medical conspiracy theory for people to start thinking that maybe that’s something they should worry about. Conspiracy theories are very sticky that way. When I’m battling a site like that, it’s because either their products are super harmful.”</p>
<p><strong>On Gunter’s own near-death delivery </strong></p>
<p>“After I delivered, I had sepsis. And I was on two different antibiotics afterwards I was deteriorating and nobody was listening to me. My oxygen levels were dropping, my pH level wasn’t changing. Nobody was listening to me, and I spent a day and a half dying in my hospital bed. It wasn’t until I started screaming and got hysterical and yelled at the attending that I got the care I needed. Now, imagine if I wasn’t a physician, imagine if I was being victimized by racism. I would have died.”</p>
<p><strong>On the word vagina</strong></p>
<p>“When it came time to promote the book (The Vagina Bible), my publisher Kensington wanted to do promoted ads on Twitter and on Facebook. And they were turned down when it had the word ‘vagina’ in it … And my understanding too, is for a lot of the morning shows, saying the word vagina and vulva is a challenge, because I guess they don’t want kids who are eating breakfast with their families to hear the word. I mean, that’s problematic. There’s nothing wrong with saying the words vagina and vulva.”</p>
<p><strong>On how doctors treat women</strong></p>
<p>“I really do feel that women are not listened to in the way that men are, or they have a harder time navigating the system because of that. It just seems that many times, they’re told their pain isn’t that serious. Or they’re told it’s not that bad, or they’re told they’re bleeding isn’t that heavy … I believe a lot of it is just part of the general ways that society dismisses concerns related to the reproductive tract.”</p>
<p><strong>On how doctors treat Black women</strong></p>
<p>“Serious cancer concerns aside, the rate of having ovaries removed is much higher for Black women than it is for white women or Hispanic women. And that can really only be explained with racism, with either people having less access to quality care, people having their concerns not heard, people thinking that you don’t deserve quality care.”</p>
<p><strong>On sexism in medical training  </strong></p>
<p>“I trained in the 80s and the early 90s, and you had to be just like the guys and you had to be as tough. And certainly, where I trained there was very little room for someone in a surgical specialty to not act like … a stereotypical version of a male surgeon. You just had to be tough, you had to suck it up. And I think that having only one type of person in a field is terrible … I was in medicine 20 years before there was a woman who was the chair of my department, so I think that says something.”</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Jen-Gunter_Episode-31.pdf">READ: Full transcript of our discussion with Jen Gunter</a> </strong></p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare </em>is in its fifth season, which focuses on the culture of medicine. For Dr. Robert Pearl, this topic is of vital importance to the health and well-being of patients. For years, he has been researching and reporting on physician culture—efforts that will culminate in the publication of his 2021 book, “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/">Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors &amp; Patients</a>.”</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>. Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>. </em></p>
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		<title>CTT #33: Why aren’t we producing generic vaccines?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/03/09/ctt-33-generic-vaccines/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2021 00:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Moderna, Pfizer and now Johnson &amp; Johnson have emerged as <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2020/12/14/healthcare-report-card-companies-that-exceeded-expectations-in-2020/?sh=11de44b677a6">surprising heroes</a> of the Covid-19 pandemic—pulling our nation out of this pandemic one vaccine shot at a time.</p>
<p>This week, however, co-host Jeremy Corr raised a thought-provoking question: Why aren’t generic drug makers getting involved to help speed up vaccine production and end this pandemic faster? Do name-brand drug companies have any obligation to hand over their patents to generic drug manufacturers? Would it make a difference if they did?</p>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>, Jeremy and Dr. Robert Pearl discuss the ethical and legal implications of drug development during a national crisis.</p>
<p>Here’s everything that was discussed [and when] on this episode:</p>
<p><strong>[00:55] </strong>Each week, the show begins with the most recent and relevant facts of the COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[05:20] </strong>Listener question: “We seem to be learning more about the Covid-19 vaccines each week. Is anything still uncertain?”</p>
<p><strong>[12:40] </strong>Who’s still hesitant to take the vaccine and why?</p>
<p><strong>[15:15] </strong>Nursing homes were responsible for approximately 40% of deaths in the early phases of the pandemic. What about now?</p>
<p><strong>[16:50] </strong>Listener question: “How does the mutation rate of this virus compares to others we’ve seen in the past?”</p>
<p><strong>[20:00] </strong>Pfizer has requested FDA approval to meet less stringent storage and transportation requirements. What happened with that?</p>
<p><strong>[21:03] Why aren’t drug companies required to hand over their patents to generic drug manufacturers in order to speed up production and end the pandemic? </strong></p>
<p><strong>[23:52] </strong>Any especially good news this week?</p>
<p><strong>[25:57] </strong>Mental health remains a major worry for educators and parents. What are we learning?</p>
<p><strong>[27:54] </strong>Any new insights on the origin of the virus one year later?</p>
<p><strong>[30:50]</strong> Some states like Texas are talking about eliminating any Covid-related restrictions whereas officials like Dr. Fauci describe these as foolish and dangerous actions. Discuss …</p>
<p><strong>[36:00] </strong>Obesity is known as a major contributor to complications and deaths from Covid-19. Why is America’s weight problem only treated as a wake-up call?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/03/09/ctt-33-generic-vaccines/">CTT #33: Why aren’t we producing generic vaccines?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>CTT #32: Is herd immunity almost here?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/02/25/32-herd-immunity/</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 05:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A respected doctor recently published an op-ed in the <em>Wall Street Journal </em>predicting, “<a href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-have-herd-immunity-by-april-11613669731">We’ll have herd immunity by April</a>.” Many other respected doctors took to social media to contradict him, arguing it’s too early to claim victory over the disease.</p>
<p>For months now, co-hosts <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> and <strong>Jeremy Corr</strong> have been closely monitoring the debate and data surrounding our nation’s immunity status. If one thing’s clear, it’s that nothing is clear. The scientific community seems split right down the middle.</p>
<p>Pearl points out that there are two camps emerging in the debate over herd immunity: Those who are more cautious and those who are more optimistic. In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>, Pearl explains how both sides might be right.</p>
<p>Here’s everything that was discussed [and when] on this episode:</p>
<p><strong>[00:58] </strong>Each week, the show begins with the most recent and relevant facts of the COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[05:00] </strong>Listener question: “The number of cases, hospitalizations and deaths seem to move up and down so fast that my head is spinning! What’s going on?”</p>
<p><strong>[08:02] </strong>What are the latest vaccine updates?</p>
<p><strong>[13:25] </strong>Listener question: “Do scientists know anything more about vaccinations for pregnant women?”</p>
<p><strong>[15:02] </strong>Should people who’ve had Covid-19 be vaccinated?</p>
<p><strong>[19:24] </strong>Some people are forgoing the second shot for fear of an allergic reaction. Good idea?</p>
<p><strong>[20:56] </strong>Any updates on the various mutant strains?</p>
<p><strong>[23:50] </strong>J&amp;J&#8217;s vaccine is approved: Yay! Any other good news this week?</p>
<p><strong>[26:02] </strong>NYC drama: Early in the pandemic, Governor Cuomo was held up as a coronavirus hero. Now everyone seems to be against him. What’s the truth behind all this drama?</p>
<p><strong>[29:25] </strong>What should we make of the mental health statistics emerging from the pandemic?</p>
<p><strong>[32:08] </strong>Last year, Mardi Gras was a super spreader event. What happened this year in New Orleans?</p>
<p><strong>[33:11] </strong>We’ve now passed a half million deaths in the United States, as <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2020/10/12/why-half-a-million-americans-will-die-from-covid-19">Dr. Pearl reluctantly predicted in October 2020</a>. If we had known at the start of the pandemic that a vaccine would be highly effective, safe and available in less than a year, what might we have done differently early on?</p>
<p><strong>[34:29] </strong>What’s new from a global perspective?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/02/25/32-herd-immunity/">CTT #32: Is herd immunity almost here?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Episode 30: &#8216;Diagnosis&#8217; doctor Lisa Sanders examines medical culture</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/02/15/episode-30-lisa-sanders/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2021 13:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>When the producers of Fox first reached out to Dr. Lisa Sanders with the idea of turning her <em>New York Times</em> column into a TV show called <em>House</em>, she was intrigued.</p>
<p>“Tell me how that’s going to work,” she said, “I mean, what’s the show about?”</p>
<p>One of the executive producers replied, “Well, it’s about an irritable, arrogant and drug addicted doctor who hates patients and loves diagnosis.”</p>
<p>Dr. Sanders recalls thinking, “Who would watch such a show?” The answer, it turned out, was billions of people, thanks in part to Sanders, who agreed to become the show’s medical consultant.</p>
<p><strong>Dr. Lisa Sanders</strong> is now an associate professor of internal medicine at the Yale School of Medicine and a contributing writer for <em>New York Times</em> <em>Magazine</em>. In 2019, Dr. Sanders created the Netflix miniseries <em>Diagnosis</em>, in which she relied on crowdsourcing to unravel complex medical mysteries.</p>
<p>In this interview, she diagnoses the invisible yet highly influential physician culture, looking at the many ways doctors both help and harm their patients.</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><u>Highlights from this episode with Lisa Sanders</u></p>
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<p><strong>1. On the conflict between compassionate care and computerized care </strong></p>
<p>“Why would those be in contrast? It&#8217;s not like we&#8217;re suggesting that (doctors) should have four arms instead of two arms. We&#8217;re saying that they should have both a right arm and a left arm like everybody else. I mean, there&#8217;s not a choice between choosing technical expertise and choosing somebody you like. That&#8217;s just not a real choice.”</p>
<p><strong>2. On dealing with sexism as a doctor</strong></p>
<p>“I came from an extremely sexist business before going to medical school. I mean, before I was in medical school, I worked for CBS News, where if you blinked an eye when a cameraman called you hon, or a correspondent patted you on the butt, you were just in big trouble. You weren&#8217;t going to get anywhere. Very early in my professional life, I learned to just turn an eye and focus on what I needed to get done, because these jerks, you can&#8217;t fix them.”</p>
<p><strong>3. On bringing medical culture into the 21st century</strong></p>
<p>“Culture by its nature changes pretty slowly because it&#8217;s <em>sub rosa</em>. It&#8217;s not something that people embrace. The version of the Hippocratic oath that you took and that I took is different at every institution. It ain&#8217;t law, right? It doesn&#8217;t really reflect the real culture that exists here, that is so much more subtle and more amorphous than those little oaths that we all recite when we get our MDs. I think that the younger generations of women and men coming into medicine, pointing out the ways this culture doesn&#8217;t see them or sees them and thinks badly of them, or sees their patients and thinks badly of their patients, I mean, all we can do is try to work on our little plot of ground, because that&#8217;s how culture changes.”</p>
<p><strong>4. On surprise medical billing</strong></p>
<p>“I think all of this surprise billing should just be banned. Period. I had to go in for a procedure not long ago, and at every step of the way, I said, ‘Can you assure me that everyone here who will be involved in my care takes my insurance, because I&#8217;m not going to pay any surprise bills?’ It&#8217;s ridiculous that somebody who&#8217;s sick has to do that, and yet, that&#8217;s where we are. That&#8217;s where we are because we have stopped thinking that rules are helpful. Rules are helpful.”</p>
<p><strong>5. When college students ask about becoming a doctor</strong></p>
<p>“I say it&#8217;s the best. It&#8217;s the best. I didn&#8217;t go to medical school, obviously, to make a lot of money. I say ‘obviously’ because not only am I an internist, which is I believe still third from the bottom of income scales with only pediatricians and endocrinologists below us. I&#8217;m a general internist, and I&#8217;m an academic general internist. Not only do I not make much money compared to everybody else, I make even less money by working through a university, but it doesn&#8217;t matter to me. That&#8217;s not why I did it. I think that when it comes down to it, people want to do the jobs that give them joy.”</p>
<p><strong>6. On what doctors owe their patients</strong></p>
<p>“Most of these people (who write to me) do not have rare diseases, but I think far too often, they don&#8217;t have a relationship with a doctor who&#8217;s paying attention. When I attend on the wards, I (see) patients who pass through the hospital untouched by human thought. Every single patient has to be touched by thought. That&#8217;s what I teach, and that&#8217;s what I try to practice. It&#8217;s what keeps medicine interesting is knowing that every single patient you see is different from everyone you&#8217;ve seen before, even though they might share similarities. I think that a lot of patients end up writing to me because they feel untouched by human thought.”</p>
<p><strong>READ: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Lisa-Sanders_Episode-30.pdf">Full transcript of our latest discussion with Lisa Sanders</a></strong></p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare </em>is now in its fifth season, which focuses on the culture of medicine. For Dr. Robert Pearl, this topic is of vital importance to the health and well-being of patients. For years, he has been researching and reporting on physician culture—efforts that will culminate in the publication of his 2021 book, “<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/robert-pearl-md/uncaring/9781541758278/">Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors And Patients</a>.”</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>. Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>. </em></p>
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		<title>CTT #31: How long do Covid-19 symptoms persist? What’s a normal recovery?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/02/10/ctt-31-long-haulers/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2021 01:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A listener of this show wrote in with a question about her ongoing coronavirus symptoms. A month after testing positive, she’s still not back to feeling like herself. According to the data, she’s not alone. All across the country, there are millions of these so-called “long-haulers,” and the actual number of people who fall into this category might be even larger than we initial thought.</p>
<p>Patients who continue to experience Covid-19 symptoms talk about “brain fog,” difficulty sleeping, ongoing exhaustion, inability to regain sense of taste or smell, and in some cases, damage to the heart, lung or kidney.</p>
<p>So, what’s “normal” in terms of recovery from the Covid-19 disease and what do scientists know about these long-haulers? In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl dive into this issue and answer listener questions. Here’s what was discussed [and when] on this episode:</p>
<p><strong>[00:53] </strong>Each week, the show begins with the most recent and relevant facts of the COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[06:08]</strong> What’s the status of the mysterious Russian vaccine?</p>
<p><strong>[08:00]</strong> Listener question: “I had the coronavirus a month ago and am still not back to feeling like myself. Is this common?”</p>
<p><strong>[10:45] </strong>What does data tell us about this pandemic and mental health issues?</p>
<p><strong>[12:16] </strong>What’s the controversy surrounding the Johnson &amp; Johnson vaccine?</p>
<p><strong>[17:05] </strong>Got any good news this week?</p>
<p><strong>[19:16] </strong>What happens when you get the first vaccine dose from one manufacturer and the second from a different one?</p>
<p><strong>[21:45] </strong>One year into the pandemic and we have three vaccines but no effective treatments outside of a steroid to reduce inflammation. Why?</p>
<p><strong>[25:47] </strong>Better equipped to manage vaccine distribution: businesses or the government?</p>
<p><strong>[26:42]</strong> As a patient, does co-host Jeremy Corr have any advice or request for the Biden administration?</p>
<p><strong>[28:14]</strong> Listener question: “Can you talk about the success of the vaccination program in Israel? Anything Americans can take from it?”</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/02/10/ctt-31-long-haulers/">CTT #31: How long do Covid-19 symptoms persist? What’s a normal recovery?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>CTT #30: Are the mutant strains of Covid deadlier?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/01/27/ctt-30-mutant-covid-19-strains/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2021 23:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Variants (or mutant strains) of the coronavirus have popped up in the U.K., South Africa and Brazil. These strains are highly transmissible, sparking concerns that the variants could be more lethal and that current vaccines may be less effective against them.</p>
<p>Perhaps most concerning is the question of if (or when) these variants will wreak havoc in the United States, where hospitals are still reeling from unsafe gatherings during the winter holidays.</p>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl dive into this issue and answer listener questions. Here’s what was discussed [and when] on this episode:</p>
<p><strong>[00:49] </strong>Each week, the show begins with the most recent and relevant facts of the COVID-19 pandemic and its impact on American life. What’s happening and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[06:44] </strong>Covid-19 developments in Europe are gaining attention. Why?</p>
<p><strong>[08:40] </strong>Dr. Fauci says herd immunity will require vaccination rates of 75% to 80%. Is that possible?</p>
<p><strong>[11:48] </strong>Is “coronavirus fatigue” still a national problem according to the data?</p>
<p><strong>[13:16]</strong> Are Black Americans receiving a smaller percent of available vaccines?</p>
<p><strong>[15:19] </strong>Any positive Covid-19 news this week?</p>
<p><strong>[17:23] </strong>Are nursing homes safer now than early in the pandemic?</p>
<p><strong>[19:20]</strong> What do the hosts see as the most likely scenario for the pandemic six months down the road?</p>
<p><strong>[20:48] </strong>President Biden is likely to push for a national mask policy. Will he be successful if it is voluntary and if not, what more should he do?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
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		<title>Episode 29: Leana Wen discusses COVID-19 and the culture of medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/01/17/episode-29-leana-wen/</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2021 23:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>American doctors have it rough these days. Not only are they fighting to keep Covid-19 patients alive as hospitalizations surge, but they are also struggling to navigate the ever-changing and increasingly complex world around them.</p>
<p>This generation’s doctors are not just dealing with medical issues, but with the health consequences of <em>societal</em> issues, as well. From gun violence and climate change to economic disparities and racial inequalities, the difficulties patients face in their communities are now entering the doctor&#8217;s office and banging loudly on the exam-room door.</p>
<p>Our guest this episode has observed these changes firsthand, and she joins us to offer insights into these confusing times for doctors.</p>
<p><a href="https://drleanawen.com/"><strong>Dr. Leana Wen </strong></a>is an emergency physician and a public health professor at George Washington University. She’s also a contributing columnist for <em>Washington Post</em> and an on-air medical analyst for <em>CNN</em>. Previously, she served as Baltimore’s health commissioner.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><u>Highlights from this interview with Leana Wen</u></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>1. On treating the health consequences of society’s problems</strong></p>
<p>“I remember back in my medical training, being told by attendings that there are certain things that we just should not be asking because, and so the thinking goes, what are you going to do if you get an answer for which you cannot help that patient? For example, what if we find that a child is coming in all the time for asthma attacks, but the problem is that he is living in a house that has vacant (buildings) all around, and there’s nothing that you can do about the mold in other people’s apartments, and that’s actually what’s triggering his asthma attacks? Well, at the same time, if that’s what’s making him ill, isn’t it also our responsibility as physicians and as healthcare workers to tackle those issues, because that’s ultimately the root of his illness? Otherwise, we’re only addressing the symptoms and not the cause.”</p>
<p><strong>2. On whether doctors truly treat all patients the same</strong></p>
<p>“We do in medicine, of course, we need to uphold our oath. And part of that oath is treating everyone with the same dignity and humanity, no matter who they are, what they look like, whether they’re able to pay. We treat everyone with the humanity that we would want to be treated with ourselves. That does not mean, of course, that everybody gets exactly the same treatment.”</p>
<p><strong>3. On whether doctors do everything they can to save lives</strong></p>
<p>“It’s often been said that public health works when it’s invisible. By definition, you don’t see the face of public health because we have been successful when we have prevented something bad from occurring. But then as a result, we don’t focus on prevention. Public health and prevention efforts are the first on the chopping block whenever we’re discussing budget issues. They are certainly not front of mind for many people. And one could argue, that’s how we got into the mess up we are today with this public health catastrophe, because we did not invest in public health infrastructure … And I hope that if there’s anything that COVID has taught us, it’s the attention to these long-term issues, including to prevention.”</p>
<p><strong>4. On factoring a patient’s financial situation into medical decisions </strong></p>
<p>“In my view, we need to do what’s best for our patients, recognizing that we do not live in a perfect world. In an ideal world, we should not be rationing care. In an ideal world, we should not be making decisions based on costs, but based on science and evidence. But we don’t live in that ideal world. I don’t want to be prescribing my patients a medicine for their high blood pressure that they’re never going to take simply because their insurance doesn’t cover it … I also think it’s very difficult when we tell our patients to do things like exercise or eat fresh food, but they live in a place where they can’t access fresh produce. And so we need to come up with recommendations that people can actually do. And so to the issue of cost, I do think it’s important to have a discussion with our patients about cost because they live in the real world.”</p>
<p><strong>5. On whether docs should “stay in their lane.” </strong></p>
<p>“When I was a medical student, I was very involved in the American Medical Student Association. I was on the board of directors. I also took a year off from medical school to serve as the AMSA national president full-time I worked in D.C. And at that time, I was trying to press the rest of the medical profession to this understanding that there is no such thing as ‘staying in our lane,’ that because our patients are coming to us with all these complex needs, and because we see that all these issues are intricately intertwined with health, that we need to be advocates for our patients on all these issues. Of course, over time, I’ve seen the limitations of this kind of view and in a couple of ways. One is that if everything is a priority, nothing is a priority.”</p>
<p><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Leana-Wen_Episode-29.pdf"><strong>READ: Full transcript of our latest discussion with Leana Wen </strong></a></p>
<p><em>Fixing Healthcare </em>is now in its fifth season, which focuses on the culture of medicine. For Dr. Robert Pearl, this topic is of vital importance to the health and well-being of patients. For years, he has been researching and reporting on physician culture—efforts that will culminate in the publication of his 2021 book, “Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors And Patients.” To learn more, subscribe to <a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">his newsletter <em>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</em></a>.</p>
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		<title>CTT #29: What went wrong with the vaccine rollout? Is it fixable?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2021/01/11/ctt-29-what-went-wrong-with-the-vaccine-rollout-is-it-fixable/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2021 23:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In a Northern California hospital, a freezer containing over 800 doses of the Covid-19 vaccine suddenly broke down. Local leaders realized they had less than two hours to administer the shots before the entire batch went bad. Administrators and staff sprang into action and, <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/us/california-broken-freezer-vaccines-trnd/index.html">according to CNN</a>, didn’t waste a drop of the vaccine.</p>
<p>How then do we explain the excruciatingly slow rollout of the Covid-19 vaccine so far, with only 7 million of the 22 million available shots given out? Americans are understandably bewildered and upset by the handling of vaccinations so far. Now the question is: What if anything can be done to fix it?</p>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl dive into this issue and answer listener questions. Here’s what was discussed [and when] on this episode:</p>
<p><strong>[00:49] </strong>Why is the vaccine administration going so poorly? Can we solve the problem sooner than later?</p>
<p><strong>[05:26] </strong>Listener question: “I heard the government is considering giving people only one shot or maybe cutting the dose in half. So, does this mean there have been problems with the vaccine?”</p>
<p><strong>[12:30]</strong> How are vaccinations going in other countries?</p>
<p><strong>[14:52]</strong> Beyond Moderna and Pfizer, what’s the status with other vaccines?</p>
<p><strong>[19:43]</strong> Any “upbeat” news about the pandemic this past week?</p>
<p><strong>[22:01]</strong> Why are reports saying that more people are testing positive without symptoms?</p>
<p><strong>[24:36]</strong> What to make of the new Kaiser Family Foundation survey on urban vs. rural attitudes about the pandemic and the Covid-19 vaccine?</p>
<p><strong>[29:40]</strong> How does historian Jeremy Corr think his fellow historians will view this pandemic 50 or 100 years from now?</p>
<p><strong>[32:42]</strong> What lessons have the pandemic taught us about American healthcare?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
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		<title>CTT #28: Are coronavirus mutations in the UK cause for concern in the US?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/12/28/ctt-28-coronavirus-mutations/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2020 22:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>It has been a busy two weeks for news outlets covering the coronavirus pandemic. The holidays brought a surge in new cases and deaths. A coronavirus mutation was reported in England. Reports of allergic reactions to the vaccine have also surfaced. There’s news on at-home testing kits and there’s a new coronavirus relief package that has been signed by the president.</p>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl discuss these events and answer listener questions.</p>
<p>Here’s what was covered [and when] on this episode:</p>
<p><strong>[00:49] </strong>What was the biggest coronavirus news from this past week?</p>
<p><strong>[04:13] </strong>Listener questions: “What does it mean that the virus has mutated?” and “Will the current vaccines work on these new mutations?”</p>
<p><strong>[09:11]</strong> How many Americans must be vaccinated to reach herd immunity?</p>
<p><strong>[12:03] </strong>Any truth to the accusation that Dr. Fauci downplayed the threats of the coronavirus to avoid inciting panic?</p>
<p><strong>[14:33]</strong> Why has the pandemic divided, rather than united, our country? And what, if anything, could be done to keep politics out of future pandemic responses?</p>
<p><strong>[17:50] </strong>Listener question: “I’m 48 and my parents just had their 80th birthdays. When will we be able to get vaccinated?”</p>
<p><strong>[20:54] </strong>Are young and healthy people right to worry about vaccine scarcity in the U.S.?</p>
<p><strong>[23:26] </strong>Listener question: Should we worry about reports of severe allergic reactions to the vaccine?</p>
<p><strong>[25:41] </strong>What exactly is in the vaccines? Do the ingredients differ between the Pfizer, Moderna, and others?</p>
<p><strong>[27:38] </strong>Is it difficult to keep the vaccines at extreme low temperatures, especially in more rural areas?</p>
<p><strong>[30:20] </strong>Listener question: “Can my employer force me to be vaccinated as a condition of employment?”</p>
<p><strong>[33:37] </strong>After someone is vaccinated, can he/she return to their pre-pandemic lifestyle?</p>
<p><strong>[36:48] </strong>What’s the status of at-home testing for Covid-19? Coming soon?</p>
<p><strong>[40:00] </strong>Why do pro and NCAA sports continue to stumble (with game cancellations in all major sports)?</p>
<p><strong>[42:15] </strong>With many similarities to the “Spanish flu” of 1918, why haven’t Americans learned lessons from history?</p>
<p><strong>[44:55] </strong>What should Americans know about the coronavirus stimulus bill signed by the president?</p>
<p><strong>[48:14] </strong>The relief package includes a law against “surprise medical billing.” What is surprise medical billing and how will this legislation change the current practice?</p>
<p><strong>[50:53] </strong>U.S. life expectancy grew in 2019, but what will the 2020 data show?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
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		<title>CTT #27: Now that a Covid-19 vaccine is approved, what&#8217;s next?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/12/14/covid-19-vaccine/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2020 22:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>On Friday, the FDA authorized Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine. The announcement marked a major milestone in the fight against the coronavirus. Still, there’s a lot left to be sorted out in the months ahead.</p>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>, Jeremy Corr and Dr. Robert Pearl answer listener questions about the vaccine and the decisions that will define the pandemic in 2021.</p>
<p>Here’s what was discussed [and when] on this episode:</p>
<p><strong>[00:48] </strong>What was the biggest news concerning the coronavirus this week and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[02:36] </strong>What does the FDA’s emergency-use authorization of Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine mean and how quickly will vaccinations begin?</p>
<p><strong>[07:09] </strong>Listener question: “I’m four-months pregnant and have a three-year old son. Can either of us get vaccinated?”</p>
<p><strong>[10:10] </strong>Listener question: “What happens I take only one dose of the vaccine instead of two?”</p>
<p><strong>[11:00] </strong>Listener question: “Which of the two vaccines (Pfizer or Moderna) do you recommend? And when will certain people qualify for them?”</p>
<p><strong>[14:32] </strong>Listener question: “Does the equivalency of the two vaccines mean you can take one the first time and the other the second (e.g., Pfizer first and then Moderna second)?”</p>
<p><strong>[15:21] </strong>Listener question: “I had Covid this spring and it was no fun. Should I get vaccinated when my turn comes?”</p>
<p><strong>[17:40] </strong>What do we know about vaccines developed in other countries?</p>
<p><strong>[18:26] </strong>Listeners loved our recent episodes on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/11/16/25-conspiracy-theories/">conspiracy theories</a>. But there’s been some pushback concerning Dr. Pearl’s take on Sweden. What gives here?</p>
<p><strong>[20:40] </strong>The CDC recently changed its guidelines on the required length of quarantine. Why?</p>
<p><strong>[22:09] </strong>Dr. Pearl to Jeremy: How anxious are you to be vaccinated and how long will you wait?</p>
<p><strong>[23:40] </strong>Has Covid-19 been in the U.S. longer than we previously thought?</p>
<p><strong>[24:53] </strong>How will President-elect Biden’s Covid-19 approach differ from Trump’s?</p>
<p><strong>[26:41] </strong>U.S. healthcare spending actually has gone down this year. Why?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
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		<title>Episode 28: Eric Topol sees the future of medicine as ‘man plus machine’</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/12/13/episode-28-eric-topol/</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2020 23:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>American doctors have gained a reputation for resisting the types of technologies that could make healthcare more convenient and cost-effective. But have physicians really earned their technophobic stigma?</p>
<p>This episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> features Eric Topol, a returning guest who’s back to discuss the tricky intersection between physician culture and healthcare technology.</p>
<p>Topol is a cardiologist, geneticist, researcher and pioneer in the field of digital care. He has published three bestselling books on the future of medicine and serves as editor-in-chief of the popular healthcare news site <em>Medscape</em>. As founder and director of Scripps Research Translational Institute, he is on the cutting edge of genomics and individualized medicine.</p>
<p>He rejoins Fixing<em> Healthcare </em>in its fifth season, which focuses on <strong>the culture of medicine</strong>, a topic that spans what Dr. Robert Pearl calls, “the good, the bad, the beauty, the ugliness, the things that inspire, and the things about which we are embarrassed.”</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><u>Highlights from this interview with Eric Topol</u></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>1. On man vs. machine in medicine</strong></p>
<p>The problem we have in AI medical research, it’s always ‘man versus machine.’ With few exceptions, what it should be is man plus machine. The sum of the parts is greater than either of the components.</p>
<p><strong>2. On doctors and their habits</strong></p>
<p>We work in a ritualistic, sclerotic, ossified culture as physicians. So, we stick to our habits. In order to break those, there have to be really strong evidence and peer pressure, and you have to break through the issues of reimbursement and the norms and standard of care. [Physicians] don’t want to worry about legal matters if they’re not seeing someone with the right periodicity because of some breach of what would be norms. We’ve got a lot of things to kind of reset here, and it’ll happen. But as we know, it takes much longer than it should.</p>
<p><strong>3. On telemedicine 2.0</strong></p>
<p>There (are) not many silver linings of this pandemic, but one thing that was important was to show that you could provide care at scale without having to be physically together. It isn’t ideal … but it sure is a lot more convenient and it’s safer when you have an infectious disease that could be lethal. What we have today is telemedicine 1.0. It’s basically a video chat. But I think what’s going to happen, Robert, is that we’re going to see telemedicine 2.0 emerge, where there is data transfer, not just sensor data, and the ability to image through a smartphone, the ability to get a lot of data and scans.</p>
<p><strong>4. On ‘pathetic’ electronic health records</strong></p>
<p>Here it is, almost 2021, and [electronic health records] are truly pathetic. They were set up to be promoting business and billing, never for the patient or the physician. They’re so inadequate that what’s important here as we go more and more into the era of AI, it’s all about the input. And when the inputs are shaky, then you get compromised output.</p>
<p><strong>5. On the future of patient self-diagnosis</strong></p>
<p>Today, the first FDA deep-learning algorithm was a smartwatch diagnosis of atrial fibrillation, but we’re already seeing inroads in skin lesions and skin cancer self-diagnosis, urinary tract infections, ear infections in children, and a long list of things that give patients far more capability to get a doctor-less initial diagnosis.</p>
<p><strong>6. On his <em>New Yorker </em>op-ed: “Why Doctors Should Organize.”</strong></p>
<p>We just recently launched the Osler’s Alliance, and the aspiration is to get all physicians to work together to stand up for patients. That is, to reclaim the soul of medicine, which is that precious relationship that can be restored, needs to be restored … I hope that over time we’ll get the vast majority of physicians to be part of it. Because the singular goal of this alliance is to stand up for patients. … this will be a restoration of the critical [doctor-patient] relationship that is necessary to avoid burnout, to avoid depression, and all the bad parts of healthcare today.</p>
<p><strong>READ: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Eric-Topol_Episode-28-Final.pdf">Full transcript of our latest discussion with Eric Topol </a></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Listener note:</em></strong> Years of research and reporting on the culture of medicine will culminate in the publication of Dr. Robert Pearl’s 2021 book titled, “Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors And Patients.” To learn more, subscribe to <a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">his newsletter <em>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</em></a>.</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>#26: Listeners had lots of questions about the &#8216;conspiracy theory&#8217; episode</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/12/01/26-listeners-conspiracy-theory-episode/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2020 03:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Just before the Thanksgiving holiday, co-hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr dedicated <u><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/11/16/25-conspiracy-theories/">Episode #25</a></u> to addressing the most prevalent conspiracy theories about Covid-19. The show dove deep into the most frequently cited rumors and false assertions from all across the internet. Lots of listeners wrote in with comments and questions of their own.</p>
<p>Today, in response to one of the most popular episodes of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a> ever, Jeremy and Robert dedicated most of this episode to addressing to the wave of listener feedback and questions.</p>
<p>Here’s what was discussed<strong> [and when]</strong> on this episode:</p>
<p><strong>[00:49] </strong>What was the biggest news concerning the coronavirus this week and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[03:06] </strong>The data on Covid-19 deaths is distressing. Is there any sign of hope in sight?</p>
<p><strong>[08:38] </strong>Some in the scientific community say the latest vaccine news raises red flags. What’s causing them concern?</p>
<p><strong>[19:25] </strong>Many people wrote in about <u><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/11/16/25-conspiracy-theories/">episode #25 on Covid-19 conspiracy theories</a></u>. One listener asked: “How do you explain the situation in Sweden? They took a relatively minimalist approach to intervention in relation to COVID-19 and they seem to be having better outcomes than almost any other European countries. Why?”</p>
<p><strong>[23:38] </strong>Listener question: “Elon Musk received four tests for Covid-19 on the same day, with the same procedure, same nurse, same equipment, same lab. Two came back positive, two came back negative. How are we supposed to trust testing?”</p>
<p><strong>[28:37] </strong>One healthcare professional pushed back on Dr. Robert Pearl’s comment that healthcare organizations were not coding extra COVID-19 cases for financial reasons. Said the listener: “People in the medical field everywhere roll their eyes at the claim that hospitals aren’t falsely claiming Covid for the money. This happens all the time in healthcare, not just for Covid-19, but for everything.” What does Dr. Pearl have to say?</p>
<p><strong>[33:04] </strong>Another listener question focused on the relatively high survivability rate of Covid-19. In short, has the nation overreacted to a disease that’s not nearly as lethal as some other viruses?</p>
<p><strong>[40:00] </strong>Final listener question: If Dr. Pearl were the chair of the Coronavirus Taskforce, what would he want the government response to be?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
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		<title>#25: Is there any truth to these Covid-19 conspiracy theories?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/11/16/25-conspiracy-theories/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2020 21:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to episode 25 of “Coronavirus: The Truth,” a podcast that focuses on the facts surrounding COVID-19.</p>
<p>Today’s show breaks from our traditional format. It is dedicated to addressing the most prevalent rumors, claims and conspiracy theories about Covid-19: from miracle cures to media hoaxes. We’ll look at frequently cited examples of disinformation, pseudoscience and false assertions from across the internet.</p>
<p>Our intent isn’t to discredit these claims, but to examine them today from all sides. We’ll look at both the scientific facts as well as the fears that stoke people’s suspicions. We’ll address all of these Covid-19 topics honestly and sympathetically. As always, the goal of this podcast is to provide listeners with the information they need to keep them and their loved ones safe.</p>
<p>Here are the questions/conspiracies/claims covered in today’s episode:</p>
<p><strong>[05:30] </strong>Where did the virus come from? Was Covid-19 created in a Chinese lab?</p>
<p><strong>[12:35] </strong>One of President Trump’s top medical advisers urged a controversial “herd immunity” strategy to combat the pandemic. What does the science say?</p>
<p><strong>[19:08] </strong>Trump claimed that doctors and hospitals have inflating their COVID-19 patient counts in order to, quote, “get more money.” Is it true? And are we over-counting our nation’s Covid-19 cases?</p>
<p><strong>[22:05] </strong>In July, the Trump administration announced shifted control of coronavirus hospital data from the CDC over to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Has there been any evidence of foul play with Covid-19 reporting?</p>
<p><strong>[25:37] </strong>A lot of claims on social media suggest that masks don’t work or can actually prove harmful. What are the facts?</p>
<p><strong>[29:14] </strong>Do other countries test their populations significantly less than the United States? Is there truth to the claim that other nations are fudging the numbers on cases and deaths?</p>
<p><strong>[32:45] </strong>Is it possible that the efficacy of drugs like Regeneron, Hydroxychloroquine and Remdisivir has been underplayed by people who just didn’t want to give the Trump administration a win?</p>
<p><strong>[35:43]</strong> Is there any truth to the rumor that Pfizer may have delayed the good news about its Covid-19 vaccine tests until after the election?</p>
<p><strong>[36:33] </strong>The coronavirus pandemic has been politicized since day one. What are the most incendiary claims from both sides?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms. To get in touch, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/11/16/25-conspiracy-theories/">#25: Is there any truth to these Covid-19 conspiracy theories?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Episode 27: Dr. Amanda Calhoun on white coats and Black Lives</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/11/15/episode-27-amanda-calhoun/</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2020 21:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Back in June, a young Black physician stood outside the Sterling Hall of Medicine at Yale University with a sign in her hands that read: “Stop Killing Black People.”</p>
<p>Then she set down the sign, removed her mask, grabbed a megaphone and opened people&#8217;s eyes.</p>
<p>“My name is Dr. Amanda Calhoun,” she told the crowd, “and I am a Pediatrics and Psychiatry intern at Yale. But long before I was a doctor, I was a Black person in America. And this white coat does not protect me.”</p>
<p>This episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> asks the question: Is the culture of medicine racist? Dr. Calhoun, an Adult/Child Psychiatry Resident at Yale and an emerging voice in the national discussion about race relations in medicine, believes every doctor should be an anti-racism advocate. She sat down with co-hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr to share her experiences and insights.</p>
<p>Season five of <em>Fixing Healthcare </em>focuses on <strong>the culture of American medicine</strong>, covering what Dr. Robert Pearl calls, “the good, the bad, the beauty, the ugliness, the things that inspire, and the things about which we are embarrassed.”</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;"><u>Highlights from Episode 27 with Dr. Calhoun</u></p>
<p><strong>On Calhoun’s own experience with racism in medicine </strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been on units where it&#8217;s common to make jokes about a patient&#8217;s hair texture, it&#8217;s okay to joke and say that a Black patient wants to join a gang, to joke and say a patient is ghetto, to me that’s institutionalized racism because if you would go to the individual person, they would say they aren’t racist, but that’s really almost a racist institutionalized culture that’s been baked into the system and then people start to believe that it’s okay. It’s very insidious.</p>
<p><strong>On distrust between black patients and white doctors</strong></p>
<p>A lot of my Black patients have concerns about whether they trust what the attending is saying, whether doctors are going to be experimenting on them. And I’ve had colleagues say, ‘That’s so funny. That’s ridiculous. Why would we experiment on them?’ And I said, are you aware of Henrietta Lacks, the Havasupai Tribe lawsuit, Tuskegee, and a number of other studies that have shown that medicine has a history of experimenting on Black people and other people of color?</p>
<p><strong>On undertreating pain in Black patients </strong></p>
<p>We know that Black patients are undertreated for their pain compared to white patients. Meaning that if a Black patient and a white patient comes into the clinic or the emergency department with similar pain symptoms for presentation, the white patients are more likely to be worked up more, they receive more testing and also studies have come out that have shown that minority patients in general are less likely to be treated with empathy and understanding compared to white patients.</p>
<p><strong>On educating doctors about racism  </strong></p>
<p>A 2015 survey showed that white residents and medical students still felt that Black people felt less pain, which is wild to me because Black is a race. It’s not biological, right, it’s a social construct that was made up and they still think that Black people feel less pain. Then when you bring in the history of it, you start learning about J. Marion Sims, the father of gynecology, and the fact that he experimented on African slaves with anesthesia to perfect his vestigial vaginal fistula repair, and then would take those perfected procedures and perform them on white women with anesthesia. So you can see how this historical belief that Black people felt less pain has persisted and continues to persist today.</p>
<p><strong>On sexism vs. racism in medicine </strong></p>
<p>The sexism I experienced pales in comparison to the racism I experience. I mean, it’s not even on the same level. White women are benefiting far more from societal advantages than Black women. That’s just a fact. White women are paid more in the same jobs than Black women are. There are more white women represented in psychiatry, for example, than Black women by far. And so, I don’t want to minimize sexism. Of course, sexism is terrible and there is a lot that needs to be done on that front, but I do not think the sexism that I experienced is nearly as damaging as the racism.</p>
<p><strong>On getting Black people vaccinated against COVID-19 </strong></p>
<p>When this vaccine comes out it’s going to be very interesting because trying a new vaccine requires trust and I think that trust has been eroded and really, honestly eroded, and was never truly earned in the Black community. I think one of the biggest things that we can do as the medical system is work on rebuilding that trust with the Black community.</p>
<p><strong>On Black mothers dying in childbirth  </strong></p>
<p>For me, as a Black woman, one of the studies that really touched me was looking at the rising maternal mortality in Black women due to preventable childbirth complications and the fact that for the longest time people were citing poverty and lack of education as the reason behind these racial disparities. However, recent studies have shown that college graduate Black women are more likely to die due to preventable childbirth complications than white women who have never completed high school. That argument that it’s just poverty, it’s just education, falls to the wayside when you still see that these disparities exist.</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Amanda-Calhoun_Episode-27.pdf">READ: Full transcript of our discussion with Dr. Amanda Calhoun</a> </strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Listener note:</em></strong> Dr. Robert Pearl has spent years researching and reporting on the culture of medicine. That work will culminate in the publication of his 2021 book, “Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors And Patients.” To learn more, subscribe to <a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">his newsletter <em>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</em></a>.</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>#24: Are the kids alright? What about their parents?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/11/02/24-are-the-kids-alright/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2020 23:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Podcast cohost Jeremy Corr is the father of a four-year-old son. Like many parents, Jeremy is inundated with information (much of it conflicting) about the coronavirus, its spread among children and the threat of transmission between kids and adults.</p>
<p>In this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>, Jeremy and his cohost Dr. Robert Pearl discuss the latest scientific findings, including an interesting Yale study, which concluded that childcare is not associated with spread of COVID-19.</p>
<p>Tune in for more on this and the following topics and questions:</p>
<p><strong>[00:50] </strong>What was the biggest news concerning the coronavirus this past week and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[06:26] <em>What have scientists learned about Covid-19 infections among young children?</em></strong></p>
<p><strong>[07:47] </strong>What to make about the promising study in <em>Science</em> concerning antibodies?</p>
<p><strong>[09:47] </strong>College campuses are accounting for high rates of infection. What’s going on here?</p>
<p><strong>[11:28] </strong>Why did the CDC change its definition of “close contact” (close proximity)?</p>
<p><strong>[15:52] </strong>What’s the latest news on vaccine development?</p>
<p><strong>[19:04] </strong>Listener question: Is it safe to fly home for the holidays?</p>
<p><strong>[21:15] </strong>Listener question: Is it unsafe for parents to send their kids to school?</p>
<p><strong>[25:03] </strong>Has mask-wearing increased in rural America with the latest surge in cases?</p>
<p>Next week’s show will focus on conspiracy theories about Covid-19. Tune in then and let us know if you have any questions ahead of the Thanksgiving holiday. To get in touch, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
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		<title>#23: Should I cancel my Thanksgiving plans?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/10/19/23-thanksgiving/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2020 22:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Last Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci warned Americans to <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/15/anthony-fauci-coronavirus-thanksgiving-trump">rethink their Thanksgiving plans</a>. Reactions have been mixed. Some people agree with public health officials. Others are outraged. Regardless of the reaction, one thing’s for sure: People are already feeling down about the holidays.</p>
<p>According to one recent poll, less than a quarter of Americans are <a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/survey-pandemic-feelings/">equally or more excited about the upcoming holidays</a> as they were in 2019. Three in four people say they are less (or much less) excited to celebrate Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year’s Eve.</p>
<p>The question is: should we gather? For Dr. Robert Pearl, this question is “Déjà vu all over again. The same lessons are having to be learned again, and again, and again. We tend to leap to the conclusion rather than starting where I believe we should, with the facts.”</p>
<p>This episode of <strong><em><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/">Coronavirus: The Truth</a></em></strong> addresses the all-important holiday question, along with the following questions about the coronavirus pandemic:</p>
<p><strong>[00:47] </strong>What was the biggest news concerning the coronavirus this past week and what does it mean?</p>
<p><strong>[03:22] </strong>Why are some drug makers halting treatment and vaccine trials?</p>
<p><strong>[05:30] </strong>Why have premature births dropped significantly during the pandemic?</p>
<p><strong>[07:08] </strong>Cases on college campuses are still surging. What, specifically, isn’t working?</p>
<p><strong>[08:55] <em>Should we cancel/scale-back our Thanksgiving plans per Dr. Fauci?</em></strong></p>
<p><strong>[13:26] </strong>Two Harvard economists claim Covid-19 will cost the country $16 trillion: Accurate or alarmist?</p>
<p><strong>[16:41] </strong>Why are <a href="https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/perspective/black-americans-are-more-skeptical-of-a-coronavirus-vaccine/">Black Americans more skeptical</a> of a coronavirus vaccine?</p>
<p><strong>[18:53] </strong>Which two groups of Americans are struggling most to maintain social relationships? <strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>[21:11] </strong>How has the culture of medicine helped (and harmed) patients during the pandemic? (For more on this subject, check out <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/10/11/episode-26-zdoggmd-culture/">the new episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em></a>, featuring Dr. Zubin Damania, aka ZDoggMD)<strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>[25:14] </strong>Are patients too optimistic, too pessimistic or reasonably objective when it comes to the vaccine timeline?</p>
<p><strong>[28:26] </strong>Why does Dr. Pearl believe 500,000 people will die from Covid-19. Listeners wanted to know more about this number and how you derived it. Can you tell them?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
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<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/10/19/23-thanksgiving/">#23: Should I cancel my Thanksgiving plans?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Episode 26: ZDoggMD diagnoses the culture of medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/10/11/episode-26-zdoggmd-culture/</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2020 19:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr welcome their first returning guest, Zubin Damania, a physician and entertainer known to his legions of followers as ZDoggMD.</p>
<p>Damania hosts the internet’s <strong><a href="https://zdoggmd.com/category/incident-report/">No. 1 medical news and entertainment show</a></strong>, reaching tens of millions of people weekly. He is a leading voice for patient-centered healthcare, focusing on prevention and team-based medicine. He, along with Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh, started Turntable Health in Las Vegas as an alternative to the broken U.S. healthcare system.</p>
<p>Damania returns to <em>Fixing Healthcare </em>program to kick off season five, which focuses entirely on <strong>the culture of medicine</strong>, including as Dr. Robert Pearl puts it: “the good, the bad, the beauty, the ugliness, the things that inspire and the things about which we are embarrassed.”</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><u>Highlights from this interview with ZDoggMD</u></p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>1. On the good parts of medical culture</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;Ever since the first day of medical school … we start getting exposed to this culture, which is an adaptation of a group of humans to their environment and the challenges at hand. It’s a culture that values science and knowledge and learning. We value human connection. We value empathy, feeling someone else’s pain and then acting from it to alleviate suffering. Those are the real positives.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>2. On the bad parts of medical culture</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;The culture of medicine is conformity- , inertia- and fear-based. There’s this high sheen of professionalism, which allows us less latitude to be authentically who we are, so we have to sensor how we behave under this perception that, &#8216;Oh, that’s not professional&#8217; … and there’s this idea that if you deviate too much from the standard practice, you will be squashed.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>3. On how money makes doctors fear change </strong></p>
<p>&#8220;Part of the culture of medicine is that our payment models have changed how we actually view what is right and wrong. And that’s been a real problem in moving forward with any kind of real change in medicine. So, medicine by its nature, by its culture, resists change.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>4. On nurses vs. doctors</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;Let’s just look at doctors and nurses. Wow. Here’s a team. They cannot exist without each other. And then you drill into how different they are … You have this really interesting dynamic. Because you have a power hierarchy, you have a gender hierarchy, you have a difference in how they see the world.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>5. On medicine’s generational differences</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s this old saying, &#8216;Medicine changes one retirement or one funeral at a time.&#8217; That&#8217;s because the old guard changes and the new guard comes in. What I’m starting to see now, culturally, is, medicine used to be a little more professionally conservative. That’s starting to open up and change. There’s a lot more push in the younger generation to consider issues around, say, climate change, social justice, race, inequity, social determinants of health, than there were in the older generation.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>6. On whether medical culture will change after Covid-19</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;If I’m being fully honest, I have a lot of skepticism that anything will change. Even a disaster like this, what I think will happen is we’ll fire up the retrospectoscope and we’ll look back and be like, &#8216;Ah, we probably overreacted to this thing and under-reacted in certain ways. We didn’t keep our frontline troops safe with PPE. Our administrators, who had one job, which is to prepare us and keep us staffed, didn’t really plan for this. We’ll try to do better next time.&#8217; And people will just go back to a business as usual. Overall, I’m very skeptical that the culture will change.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>7. On specialists vs. primary care physicians</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;The power dynamic between specialists and primary care is one of the oldest and most interesting. There’s a perception in the culture of medicine that specialists tend to view primary care people as the weak medical students, the people who couldn’t get the board scores or the rotation honors to become a specialist. Because why would you do primary care? It’s miserable, you don’t get paid enough. It’s just drudgery. You never get to really do anything smart. These are perceptions.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Zubin-Damania_Episode-26.pdf">READ: Full transcript of our latest discussion with ZDoggMD</a></strong></p>
<p><strong><em>Listener note:</em></strong> Years of research and reporting on the culture of medicine will culminate in the publication of Dr. Robert Pearl’s 2021 book titled, “Uncaring: How Physician Culture Is Killing Doctors And Patients.” To learn more, subscribe to <a href="https://robertpearlmd.com/newsletter/">his newsletter <em>Monthly Musings on American Healthcare</em></a>.</p>
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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><em>.</em></p>
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		<title>#22: What do (and don’t) we know about Trump’s illness and treatments?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/10/05/22-trumps-treatments/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2020 21:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>President Donald Trump tweeted today that he will soon leave Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, where he has been receiving treatment for Covid-19.</p>
<p>Trump’s physician said the president is not “<a href="https://www.npr.org/sections/latest-updates-trump-covid-19-results/2020/10/05/920412187/trump-says-he-will-leave-walter-reed-medical-center-monday-night">entirely out of the woods yet</a>” but that the patient could continue his ongoing treatment regimen from the White House.</p>
<p>In this episode Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr examine the available facts about the U.S. president’s illness, current condition and ongoing medical care. In addition, our co-hosts have answers to the following Covid-19 questions:</p>
<p><strong>[00:51] </strong>What’s the latest on President Trump’s health status following his diagnosis of COVID-19 late last week? What treatment(s) has he received? Why was he given them under a “compassionate use” request? And what’s next?</p>
<p><strong>[04:17] </strong>Does Trump have a legal right to patient privacy or do Americans deserve to know the president’s health status?</p>
<p><strong>[07:18]</strong> What are the latest virus developments *outside* of the White House?</p>
<p><strong>[10:42]</strong> The U.S. mortality rate: what is it for Covid-19 and why is it important?</p>
<p><strong>[14:46] </strong>What’s happening economically in the county right now?</p>
<p><strong>[17:23] </strong>Where do drug makers stand with vaccine development?</p>
<p><strong>[22:11] </strong>People remain skeptical about the safety of the vaccine. Are they wise to be concerned at this stage?</p>
<p><strong>[25:07] </strong>Trump continues to tout new treatments. Do any of them look scientifically promising yet?</p>
<p><strong>[28:50] </strong>News outlets are reporting about a new strain of the virus. What are the medical implications? Is it more lethal?</p>
<p><strong>[30:41] </strong>Which healthcare topics did the presidential candidates fail to touch on in last week’s debate?</p>
<p><strong>[32:07] </strong>Will the healthcare specifics (or lack of) in last week’s debate sway votes?</p>
<p><strong>[34:14] Listener question: </strong>If the Supreme Court strikes down the Affordable Care Act in the near future, how would that impact coronavirus treatments?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/10/05/22-trumps-treatments/">#22: What do (and don’t) we know about Trump’s illness and treatments?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>#21: Do these coronavirus statistics surprise you?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/09/21/21-coronavirus-statistics/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2020 21:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>There has been no shortage of surprising statistics to emerge from this pandemic.</p>
<p>Dr. Robert Pearl’s upcoming <em>Forbes</em> article, “Three Misleading, Dangerous Coronavirus Statistics” (<a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/#1390cf2944e3">available here</a> on Tuesday, Sept. 21), examines a trio of figures that are based on actual data but have proven to be misleading and hazardous to the nation’s health.</p>
<p>This episode of <em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em> features several statistics that might surprise you. Take the recent <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/voters-covid-19-vaccine-opinion-poll/">CBS opinion poll</a>, which found that just 21% of voters would take a free vaccine if one became available in the near future (more on that at the 18:32 mark of this podcast). Or what about the new <a href="https://www.axios.com/poll-students-college-campus-coronavirus-da7209cf-c3bf-4e07-8213-9e1f44565aa6.html">Axios poll</a>, which found that 51% of college students who say it was not the right choice for their schools to allow students on campus (see 21:56 below).</p>
<p>Tune in for more surprising stats, along with answers to the following Covid-19 questions:</p>
<p><strong>[00:51] </strong>What did health experts learn this past week about the coronavirus?</p>
<p><strong>[06:28] </strong>How are other nations dealing with resurgences of the diseases?</p>
<p><strong>[07:47] </strong>What are the latest “miscommunications” to come out of the CDC?</p>
<p><strong>[09:41] </strong>Where are we on the passage of a new stimulus bill in Congress?</p>
<p><strong>[12:02] </strong>What’s the status of Covid-19 vaccine development?</p>
<p><strong>[16:28] </strong>How will we know if a vaccine is truly safe and effective?</p>
<p><strong>[18:32] </strong>Will Americans trust and be willing to take an FDA approved vaccine?</p>
<p><strong>[19:49] </strong>What’s known about the potential long-term health effects of the virus?</p>
<p><strong>[21:56] </strong>What’s the deal with college campuses and spikes in cases?</p>
<p><strong>[24:54] </strong>Why do people in different parts of the country interpret the threat of this virus so differently?</p>
<p><strong>[26:36] </strong>Elected officials in New York are under fire from critics and local business owners. What’s the latest?</p>
<p><strong>[29:28] </strong>Listener question: “Is there any chance this virus will be here forever?”</p>
<p><strong>[34:42] </strong>What hobbies/activities keep our co-hosts happy and mentally healthy?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/09/21/21-coronavirus-statistics/">#21: Do these coronavirus statistics surprise you?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Episode 25: Why U.S. doctors provide low-value care</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/09/20/episode-25-shortell/</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2020 17:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>No expert has gained more insight into the organizational factors associated with physician and health-system performance than Stephen M. Shortell.</p>



<p>He is a graduate school professor and dean emeritus of UC Berkeley’s School of Public Health. He is currently conducting research on Accountable Care Organizations (ACOs) integrated care models, innovations in healthcare delivery, and examining the application of the Lean management in U.S. hospitals. He is the author or co-author of 10 books and has published more than 300 peer-reviewed papers in a variety of organizational and health services/health policy research journals. Dr. Shortell is an elected member of the National Academy of Medicine (formerly the Institute of Medicine), past editor of Health Services Research, and past president of the Association for Health Services Research (Academy Health). He holds PhD, MBA and MPH degrees.</p>



<p>In this episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em>, he explains how perverse financial incentives combine with a lack of technology to prevent American doctors from providing high-value, patient-centered care. In addition, Dr. Shortell dives deep into the current state of U.S. healthcare and what it will take to emerge from the coronavirus crisis better than before. Also in this episode, we cover the following topics:</p>



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<li>Why so many doctors fail to follow evidence-based approaches.</li>
<li>Why a third of Medicare beneficiaries receive low-value services.</li>
<li>What Dr. Shortell has learned from studying the “social determinants of health” and their impact on clinical outcomes.</li>
<li>The role of race and the effects of racism in American healthcare.</li>
<li>Whether the Affordable Care Act will survive, adapt, or die.</li>
<li>What American healthcare has gotten right and wrong during its coronavirus response.</li>
<li>How to address the rapidly rising cost of drugs.</li>
<li>What to do about the decline of hospitals in the United States.</li>
<li>How to improve rural healthcare.</li>
<li>Whether a program like Medicare Advantage could be a national solution to high costs and poor quality.</li>
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<p><strong>READ: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Fixing-Healthcare-Transcript_Stephen-Shortell_Episode-25.pdf">Full transcript of our discussion with Stephen Shortell </a></strong></p>



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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em> </p>
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		<title>#20: What’s the truth about super spreaders, saliva tests and vaccine safety?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/09/07/super-spreaders/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2020 23:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>In this, the 20th episode of <em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em>, hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr address the most pressing questions concerning the COVID-19 pandemic.</p>



<p>What are “super spreaders”? Will the FDA approve a COVID-19 vaccine before phase-three testing wraps up? What do we know about latest testing controversy enshrouding the CDC? And how did Iowa, of all places, become the latest coronavirus hotspot?</p>



<p>Since March 2020, this podcast has delivered science-based updates on the coronavirus, insights from public health officials and clinicians, along with an unbiased look at how the COVID-19 news and information impact American life. With informed commentary, helpful context and reporting from only the most credible sources, <em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em> cuts through the politics and misinformation to bring listeners the truth.</p>



<p><strong>Questions answered in this episode include:</strong></p>



<p><strong>[00:50] </strong>What did we learn last week about the coronavirus pandemic? </p>



<p><strong>[03:22] </strong>The CDC is at the center of another COVID-19 testing controversy. What are the details?  </p>



<p><strong>[05:48] </strong>Research on the much-ballyhooed saliva test was just published in <em>NEJM</em>. Are these less-painful tests accurate or not?</p>



<p><strong>[07:51] </strong>The FDA said it might approve vaccines before phase-three testing results are in. Will that spook the public and would Dr. Pearl take it, himself?</p>



<p><strong>[10:51] </strong>Why are men faring worse in this pandemic than women?</p>



<p><strong>[12:27] </strong>Listener question: What is a <em>super spreader</em>?</p>



<p><strong>[14:17] </strong>What’s with this 6% statistic that pandemic deniers are touting?  <strong> </strong></p>



<p><strong>[19:15] </strong>Do scientists know anything about the psychological consequences of the pandemic so far?</p>



<p><strong>[21:43] </strong>Jeremy Corr’s home state of Iowa now has highest incidence of coronavirus infection. What’s going on there?</p>



<p><strong>[23:40] </strong>Why are meat packing facilities continuing to see such high rates of coronavirus infections? Is further disruption to the food chain possible?</p>



<p><strong>[25:41] </strong>Is “planned herd immunity” (allowing ~150 million relatively healthy people to get infected) a feasible strategy for ending the pandemic in this country?</p>



<p><strong>[33:06] </strong>Listener question: Should the United States join the global search for a vaccine or continue to go it alone?</p>



<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>



<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>



<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/09/07/super-spreaders/">#20: What’s the truth about super spreaders, saliva tests and vaccine safety?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>#19: What’s the most promising scientific development so far?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2020 21:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Throughout the coronavirus pandemic, Americans have time and again seen highly touted solutions fall short of their hype.</p>



<p>Remdisivir, once thought to be a miracle treatment, was recently determined to be <a href="https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2769871">statistically no better than standard care</a>. Meanwhile, Russia’s Vladimir Putin announced with great fanfare the production of a Covid-19 vaccine. Yet Western critics point out that the drug “<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/23/world/europe/russia-coronavirus-vaccine.html">Sputnik V</a>” hasn’t undergone late-stage, large, randomized control trials.</p>



<p>The world seems to be starving for good news concerning Covid-19 that isn’t fake news. On this episode of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>, hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr separate the superlative claims from the true scientific advances while also offering answers to the following coronavirus questions:</p>



<p><strong>[00:52] </strong>Update: What should listeners know about the week that was? </p>



<p><strong>[06:56] </strong>Per reports, has the coronavirus mutated? Is this good news or bad?</p>



<p><strong>[08:21] </strong>What is convalescent plasma andhow does it work?</p>



<p><strong>[12:19] </strong>Yale’s saliva test received FDA approval. What’s the benefit of this Covid-19 test over the alternatives?</p>



<p><strong>[14:37] </strong>What are the biggest Covid-19 threats facing sports?</p>



<p><strong>[17:24] </strong>What should we make of Russia’s vaccine, now in production?</p>



<p><strong>[18:56] </strong>New Zealand had great success containing the virus early on. Last week, the country reported over a dozen new cases. What happened?</p>



<p><strong>[21:27] </strong>What’s the latest on schools reopening?</p>



<p><strong>[24:20] </strong>How will voters think about healthcare overall, and the coronavirus in particular, this November?</p>



<p><strong>[26:37] </strong>What’s the mood on in Iowa, where co-host Jeremy Corr lives?</p>



<p><strong>[28:16] </strong>Assuming March was the real onset of this pandemic in the United States, we’re nearing the half-year mark. Where are we now?</p>



<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>



<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>



<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/08/24/19-coronavirus-solution/">#19: What’s the most promising scientific development so far?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>#18: Where to go for nonpartisan COVID-19 info?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/08/11/18-nonpartisan-covid-19-info/</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2020 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Fans of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a> have lauded the show’s unbiased, fact-based approach to delivering COVID-19 news and information.</p>



<p>But finding unbiased, fact-based info isn&#8217;t easy amid today&#8217;s politically charged news environment. Says co-host Jeremy Corr, “I keep getting more and more disheartened about how politicized the pandemic has been.” In this episode, Corr and co-host Dr. Robert Pearl offer their thoughts on where to find facts that aren’t skewed by partisan media or pundits looking to score political points.</p>



<p>In addition, Pearl and Corr provide answers and analysis for the following questions:</p>



<p><strong>[00:50] </strong>Update: What should listeners know about the week that was?</p>



<p><strong>[04:22] </strong>Where are we with the next Congressional economic package?</p>



<p><strong>[07:04] </strong>Presumed democratic nominee Joe Biden released his healthcare proposal: What was in it and how might it impact the post-coronavirus era?</p>



<p><strong>[10:50] </strong>What is happening with the economy? Is there a day of reckoning on its way?</p>



<p><strong>[12:04] </strong>Many people are disheartened by how politicized the pandemic has become. Where can people go for advice and facts that aren’t skewed by politics?</p>



<p><strong>[14:50] </strong>What’s going on with Major League Baseball and other sports leagues? </p>



<p><strong>[16:41] </strong>What can go wrong with a COVID-19 vaccine fail?</p>



<p><strong>[21:20] </strong>Local school districts are scrambling. What’s going on with schools now? What’s the right strategy for those moving forward with in-class instruction?</p>



<p><strong>[25:39] </strong>Campus safety policies vs. college-student behaviors: Which will win out this fall as students return to campuses?</p>



<p><strong>[28:58] </strong>Hypothetical: If all of the restrictions were suddenly lifted and you could return to all of the activities of the past knowing that the virus was still circulating, what would do and what would you continue to avoid?</p>



<p><strong>[30:09] </strong>Anne Wojcicki, CEO of 23andMe, joined the <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/08/09/24-anne-wojcicki/">Fixing Healthcare podcast</a> this week. What did she have to say about genetics and COVID-19?</p>



<p><strong>[31:18] </strong>The airline and travel industry continue to be hit hard. What is the latest thinking on their future?</p>



<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>



<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>



<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/08/11/18-nonpartisan-covid-19-info/">#18: Where to go for nonpartisan COVID-19 info?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Episode 24: Anne Wojcicki of 23andMe talks COVID-19 testing, your genes and the future of medicine</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/08/09/24-anne-wojcicki/</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2020 20:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Anne Wojcicki is a biologist, entrepreneur and the CEO of 23andMe, the leading consumer genetics and research company with more than 12 million customers worldwide. </p>



<p>On this episode, Wojcicki spoke with Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr about exciting developments in genetic testing, the possibility for at-home coronavirus testing, her company&#8217;s fight with the FDA and what she believes will someday replace primary care.  </p>



<p>Here are some of the interview highlights from episode 24:</p>



<p><strong><em>On genetics and depression </em></strong></p>



<p>Thanks to the 450,000 customers who answered our surveys, where we were able to find a number of novel mutations associated with depression. Most studies are in the hundreds or maybe a thousand individuals, but for us to have a study of 450,000 people, it shows the type of scale of research that 23andMe can do and the fact that we can make findings that no one else really can find.</p>



<p><strong><em>On a genetic basis for the human response to COVID-19</em></strong></p>



<p>23andMe launched a COVID-19 study on April 6, and we now have over 1 million people who’ve taken this survey. We have … tens of thousands who said that they have it, thousands of people who were hospitalized. We were able to make a number of discoveries. The only one that we’ve publicly talked about is the O blood type looks like it’s protective. Roughly, anywhere from 9% to 20% protective in terms of severity as well as susceptibility. That is exciting because I think it’s been replicated a number of times.  </p>



<p><strong><em>On the next big breakthrough in genetics </em></strong></p>



<p>The next big breakthroughs are going to be around these polygenic risk scores and really starting to break down each disease into much more specific subtypes. Look at something like Type 2 diabetes where I can see that there’s a percentage of our customers that are genetically just much more likely to have it. You can see this also with drug response that some people are going to respond well to certain kinds of medications and some people are not going to respond well to those same medications. I think that every single disease is going to start to get classified into a genetically defined set of risks. </p>



<p><strong><em>On the medical benefits of DNA testing</em></strong></p>



<p>There’s no greater reward for me than knowing that we potentially prevented a preventable death … One of the mottos of the company is, “Change what you can, manage what you can&#8217;t,” and these cases where customers can learn that they have a potentially pathogenic mutation and there&#8217;s something that they can manage with a vasectomy or proactive screening and you can prevent a preventable death, it’s hugely rewarding. </p>



<p><strong><em>On how money is made in healthcare  </em></strong></p>



<p>No one makes money in healthcare by keeping you healthy. Fundamentally, if I tell you, you’re diabetic, lots of people in the system, in the healthcare system as it is today, will make money, from the companies that make insulin to the needles to the testing to the doctor’s visits to all of the downstream consequences. If I tell you you&#8217;re genetically high risk for Type 2 diabetes and then you change your diet and you check in with your doctor and you’re like, “Yeah, I’ve lost weight. I’ve done this. I exercise more,” no one’s making money.</p>



<p><strong><em>On protecting consumer data online</em></strong></p>



<p>We’ve always said that we have no business if we can’t protect your privacy. We do everything we can reasonably to protect privacy … We were really lucky in that a number of our earliest engineers came from the banking industry and really came to us with a mindset of absolute privacy and choice and the highest level of security.</p>



<p><strong>READ: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/FHC_Episode-24_Wojcicki_Transcript_Final.pdf">Full transcript of our discussion with Anne Wojcicki</a></strong></p>



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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net%2Fmeet-the-hosts%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdf2c62445ece4e64fad108d83b2fd17d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637324423841397607&amp;sdata=U6rnknMayWNIwEGVUSCRg5SfFaJdLN0sWQNMOHKPT2I%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FFixingHCPodcast&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdf2c62445ece4e64fad108d83b2fd17d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637324423841397607&amp;sdata=M6dYB%2Bfx9OePHnZmOMPZOPZd6xDe7kkVWMJmYTJ5BeE%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong>Twitter</strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdf2c62445ece4e64fad108d83b2fd17d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637324423841407602&amp;sdata=EN%2BLgFIsR67eQWXH%2FBEkonu1jH%2Fc7LKRxfSuqUT1b3A%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em> </p>
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		<title>#17: Will Covid-19 sway the November elections?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/07/27/17-covid-19-november-elections/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2020 19:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>“Voters look to elected officials to lead in times of war,” says co-host Dr. Robert Pearl in this episode of <strong><em>Coronvirus: The Truth</em></strong>. “In the minds of most Americans, this is war. As such, voters will gaze beyond the traditional questions of (insurance) coverage and clinical care” toward questions of leadership amid a national health crisis. </p>



<p>In 2020, Pearl sees three pandemic-related factors influencing the elections:</p>



<ol class="wp-block-list" type="1"><li>Overall leadership in addressing the coronavirus threat.</li><li>How voters feel about the economic relief programs.</li><li>How well society was informed and held together throughout the pandemic.</li></ol>



<p>As a result of these factors, Pearl expects voters are likely to ask the following questions this November: &#8220;When the next pandemic strikes, who do I want to be responsible for the health of the people in my state? Who do I want sitting the halls of Congress? And who do I trust to occupy the Oval Office?”</p>



<p>In episode 17 of&nbsp;<a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>, co-hosts Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr look at the latest news surrounding COVID-19, providing answers and analysis for the following questions:</p>



<p><strong>[00:50] </strong>What should listeners know about the week that was in Covid-19 news?</p>



<p><strong>[05:28] </strong>With multiple reports and anecdotes of Covid-19 patients getting re-infected, do scientists have any idea how long immunity lasts?&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>



<p><strong>[08:23] </strong><em>L</em><em>istener question</em>: Is the coronavirus affecting the U.S. birthing rate?</p>



<p><strong>[09:41] </strong>Will the upcoming flu season exacerbate the coronavirus pandemic?</p>



<p><strong>[11:17] </strong>What will Congress’ next coronavirus relief package include?</p>



<p><strong>[14:00] </strong>On last week’s episode, co-hosts Robert Peral and Jeremy Corr talked about the winners and losers coming out of the current pandemic. Listeners wanted more details: Who’s up and who’s down?</p>



<p><strong>[15:53] </strong>How is the planning coming for the reopening of schools this September?</p>



<p><strong>[19:11] </strong>Co-host Jeremy Corr knows people who’ve been infected. How are they doing and how is Corr feeling during this time of uncertainty?</p>



<p><strong>[21:53] </strong>With schools reopening this fall, what do Jeremy and Robert advise for parents worried about kids?</p>



<p><strong>[23:15] </strong>What is Robert hearing from hospitals in places that are reportedly at risk of being overwhelmed with Covid-19 cases? Are they actually overwhelmed?</p>



<p><strong>[28:03] </strong><strong>How might the coronavirus impact elections this November?</strong><strong></strong></p>



<p>This episode is available on&nbsp;<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>,&nbsp;<a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>,&nbsp;<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a>&nbsp;and other podcast platforms.</p>



<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the&nbsp;<a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a>&nbsp;or send us a message on&nbsp;<a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a>&nbsp;or&nbsp;<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong><strong></strong></p>



<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program,&nbsp;<strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong>&nbsp;refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/07/27/17-covid-19-november-elections/">#17: Will Covid-19 sway the November elections?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>#16: What are Americans still getting wrong about COVID-19?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/07/13/16-wrong-about-covid-19/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2020 22:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Four months after President Trump announced a “state of emergency,” Americans are still as confused as ever about the true state of the pandemic. Our confusion starts with the news: Every morning, TV anchors around the country list off the latest numbers of newly confirmed cases.</p>
<p>Podcast co-host Dr. Robert Pearl says, “We pretend the number of positive tests per day has significance. Don’t get me wrong, most likely, the number of cases is going up. But 60,000 per day isn’t anywhere close to the actual number of infections.” That’s just one of three big points of confusion for the general public, all of which have major consequence on American health.</p>
<p>In episode 16 of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><strong><em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em></strong></a>, Robert and Jeremy look at the latest news surrounding COVID-19, providing answers and analysis for the following questions:</p>
<p><strong>[00:51] </strong>What should listeners know about the week that was in COVID-19 news?</p>
<p><strong>[05:03] </strong>Any news on sports returning this summer and fall?</p>
<p><strong>[07:15] </strong>What was with the bruhaha between physicians and the World Health Organization over coronavirus being transmitted in small, aerosolized particles?</p>
<p><strong>[10:08] What are Americans still getting wrong about COVID-19 today?</strong></p>
<p><strong>[14:51] </strong>Dr. Pearl was quoted recently saying, “If I had to pick a word for where we are today, it would be floundering.” What did he mean?  <strong> </strong></p>
<p><strong>[20:16] </strong>All politics aside, what do we know about the Trump-touted drug hydroxychloroquine? What about other treatments?</p>
<p><strong>[22:45]</strong> With positive cases skyrocketing, why are death rates declining?</p>
<p><strong>[26:03] </strong>Thousands of small businesses have closed while several big retailers have filed for bankruptcy, yet the stock market is soaring. What’s going on?</p>
<p><strong>[31:42] </strong>What kinds of healthcare changes will come from changes in the economy?</p>
<p><strong>[33:08] </strong>How would co-host Jeremy Corr alter his day to day decisions if he knew (for certain) that a vaccine wasn’t coming for at least another two years?</p>
<p><strong>[37:27] </strong>At what point would it be safe to receive a Covid-19 vaccine?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/07/13/16-wrong-about-covid-19/">#16: What are Americans still getting wrong about COVID-19?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Episode 23: How the U.S. coronavirus response went wrong and how to make it right</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/07/12/23-coronavirus-respons/</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Exactly what went wrong? Exactly when? Exactly how did we fail and exactly what could have been done to prevent it? Exactly which errors did U.S. healthcare officials make between the first known cases in China and the first recorded coronavirus death on U.S. soil? And, exactly what can we do to minimize the damage going forward?&nbsp;</p>



<p>This month’s episode of <em>Fixing Healthcare</em> offers the most thorough review of COVID-19 errors and events ever to be packed in a 45-minute podcast. Jeremy Corr, who also co-hosts <em>Coronavirus: The Truth</em>, joins Dr. Robert Pearl, a medical expert and former CEO of The Permanente Medical Group, to discuss the following topics in vivid, fact-based detail:&nbsp;</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li>The five key mistakes that kept the U.S. from containing the virus in January and February 2020</li><li>Why the U.S. got bested by smaller, less-wealthy countries in testing and control measures.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</li><li>The most overlooked measure of success (or failure) when it comes to containing the virus.&nbsp;</li><li>Why the U.S. response to the virus is best described as “one-size-fits-none.”&nbsp;</li><li>The possibility of resuming sports, school or large events safely in the near future.&nbsp;</li><li>Which minimally invasive steps will have the greatest impact on American health and safety.&nbsp;</li><li>How the U.S. response has produced a major mental health crisis.&nbsp;</li><li>The actual vaccine timeline and the likelihood of an effective medical treatment.&nbsp;</li><li>How American businesses should approach the risky process of reopening.</li><li>How the economic consequences of the virus will reshape American healthcare.&nbsp;</li></ul>



<p><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/FHC_Episode-23_Transcript_Pearl_Corr.pdf">READ: Full transcript of this episode</a></strong></p>



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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a&nbsp;co-production of&nbsp;</em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl&nbsp;and&nbsp;Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em>&nbsp;<em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on&nbsp;</em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em>&nbsp;and&nbsp;</em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><strong><em>LinkedIn</em></strong></a><em>.</em>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/07/12/23-coronavirus-respons/">Episode 23: How the U.S. coronavirus response went wrong and how to make it right</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>#15: Is it too soon for sports?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/06/29/15-too-soon-for-sports/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2020 21:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“One step forward, two steps back,” is how Dr. Robert Pearl describes the recent rise in coronavirus cases throughout the country. He notes that further attempts to hurry the nation’s reopening along will produce similar setbacks.</p>
<p>Take pro sports, for example. Major League Baseball is moving closer to locking in a 60-game schedule to start in July, despite dozens of players already testing positive. “I fear that pro sports will follow the pattern that we have seen in so many areas of society. One step forward, then two back.”</p>
<p>In episode 15 of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><em><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></em></a>, Robert and Jeremy look at the latest news surrounding COVID-19, providing answers and analysis for the following questions:</p>
<p><strong>[00:50] </strong>What should listeners know about the past week in COVID-19 news, including plans to move forward with pro sports?</p>
<p><strong>[08:00] </strong>As deaths passed 110,000, nearly half were patients from nursing homes. Can we protect this vulnerable population?</p>
<p><strong>[09:05] </strong>How are elected official prioritizing the two biggest coronavirus threats their constituents face: the health risks and the economic threats?</p>
<p><strong>[10:57] </strong>Dr. Robert Pearl will address the New York Stock Exchange on Tuesday, June 30. What message do CEOs need to hear?</p>
<p><strong>[16:45] </strong>How are businesses are planning for the post-coronavirus era?</p>
<p><strong>[18:33] </strong>What’s the latest news on COVID-19 testing and contract tracing?</p>
<p><strong>[20:44] </strong>What should Americans learn from the Broadstreet cholera epidemic in 1854 and other historical events that threatened human existence?</p>
<p><strong>[24:49] </strong>If we are at a tipping point with coronavirus, what <em>might</em> happen next?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>. </strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest. </em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/06/29/15-too-soon-for-sports/">#15: Is it too soon for sports?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>#14: How will historians look back on our nation&#8217;s handling of the coronavirus?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/06/15/14-historians/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2020 22:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Looking back on the coronavirus pandemic and the national response, Dr. Robert Pearl says, “I believe that historians will judge the American people well and nearly all of our leaders poorly.”</p>



<p>Robert’s co-host and fellow history buff Jeremy Corr notes that past outbreaks led to significant social and political shakeups: “Epidemics are the kinds of events in history that set off a chain reaction of other events that often have very serious consequences that change things forever.”</p>



<p>In episode 14 of <em><strong><a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Coronavirus: The Truth</a></strong></em>, Robert and Jeremy examine the available facts and historical trends to imagine what historians will see when they look back on the year 2020. Also, in this podcast, the hosts answer your coronavirus questions relating to masks, sexual transmission and more:</p>



<p><strong>[00:51]</strong> What were the biggest coronavirus news updates from the past week?</p>



<p><strong>[04:12]</strong> What can be done about the uptick in new cases as states reopen?  </p>



<p><strong>[08:56]</strong> The World Health Organization (WHO) caused mass confusion last week concerning asymptomatic transmission of the virus. What happened and what’s the truth?</p>



<p><strong>[16:02]</strong> As political debate rages over the use of masks, how can people make sense of what will or won’t keep them safe?</p>



<p><strong>[17:58]</strong> Listener question: Can the coronavirus spread through sexual transmission?</p>



<p><strong>[20:23]</strong> Are we at the beginning of another surge or a “second wave” of the pandemic?</p>



<p><strong>[22:03]</strong> In hindsight, did we shut down too hard for too long?</p>



<p><strong>[25:28]</strong> Many have compared the coronavirus to war. What are the biggest parallels and differences?</p>



<p><strong>[29:34]</strong> How might historians talk about our current response to this viral pandemic 25 years from now?</p>



<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>



<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>. </strong> </p>



<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/06/15/14-historians/">#14: How will historians look back on our nation&#8217;s handling of the coronavirus?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Episode 22: Former FDA commissioner on ending the COVID-19 pandemic</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/06/15/episode-22-kessler/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2020 01:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>As head of the Food and Drug Administration from 1990 to 1997, Dr. David A. Kessler went to war with cigarette companies, approved life-saving HIV/AIDS medications, and introduced consumers to Nutrition Facts.</p>



<p>He is the author of several books, including his latest, “Fast Carbs, Slow Carbs: The Simple Truth About Food, Weight, and Disease.”</p>



<p>In this interview, Kessler comments on what it will take to end COVID-19, how he handled the pressures of the FDA, and why we shouldn’t overlook the dangers of marijuana or bagels.</p>



<p>Here are some of Dr. Kessler’s highlights from Episode 22:</p>



<p><strong><em>On the most promising COVID-19 medications  </em></strong></p>



<p>Without a vaccine, you certainly have the hope for an antiviral before a vaccine. And then the question is what type of antiviral? Is it going to be an antiviral to treat this disease or prevent infection? It would be great to have a prophylactic antiviral. And there are certainly a lot of clinical trials underway. There&#8217;s anecdotal information right now. There&#8217;s reason to hope that there &#8230; may be an existing antiviral or a new antiviral will be able to demonstrate efficacy.</p>



<p><strong><em>On slowing the spread of COVID-19 without a vaccine </em></strong></p>



<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking very hard about this question and the only answer that I can come up with of how to allow people to come out of their homes, out of the sheltering in place, is widespread testing. And the basics of public health, contact tracing, but either serological or virological, we&#8217;ll see where we are …  in the absence of a way to treat this virus or prevent this virus, the only thing we have is that we identify those who are infected, and we do that through widespread testing. So I think the answer is testing, testing, testing, and to do what China and South Korea and several other communities have done, identify those who are spreading the virus and protect others from that spread.</p>



<p><strong><em>On the CDC’s COVID-19 testing delays</em></strong></p>



<p>We&#8217;re still very much in the midst of this crisis. I think at certain point we will look back and try to sort that out. I certainly have questions about what happened and I don&#8217;t think we have the whole story yet, why we lost a number of crucial weeks, if not months, in fighting this virus. I don&#8217;t know the whole story, and I don&#8217;t think anybody does. I think that&#8217;s for some time in the future, once this is behind us. We have to make sure that it doesn&#8217;t occur again.</p>



<p><strong><em>On approving new drugs</em></strong></p>



<p>The way the law is written, a drug has to be both safe and effective. It doesn&#8217;t have to, under the law, be better than something on the market, right? So. you have to show that your drug works. You have to show your drug works, for example, compared to a placebo. And you have to show that the drug is safe … but generally we don&#8217;t require, Congress has never required, relative efficacy to be shown.</p>



<p><strong><em>On his advice for current FDA commissioner Stephen Hahn</em></strong></p>



<p>The job is white heat. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of people who try to influence the agency&#8217;s decisions and today, or you could see it play out at the highest levels of government. The administration trying to influence, get this drug to the market, approve this drug, do it immediately. And what you have to do is be willing to put your body on the line and allow the people of the agency to look at the data and to focus on the science and make the best decisions they know how to do. And your job is to protect that decision-making process.</p>



<p><strong><em>On handling the pressures of the FDA</em></strong></p>



<p>In the same breath, reporters can write that the agency is either acting too fast and not taking safety into consideration or too slow and holding up important drugs. I think we&#8217;ve developed probably the most sophisticated drug regulatory system in the world. I think we are as fast as any country in the world and yet I have tried to maintain rigorous standards. That doesn&#8217;t mean FDA doesn&#8217;t a mess up. It does do that sometimes.</p>



<p><strong>READ: <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/FHC_Episode-22_Kessler_Transcript_Final.pdf">Full transcript of our discussion with David A. Kessler </a></strong></p>



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<p><em>Fixing Healthcare is a co-production of </em><a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/meet-the-hosts/"><strong><em>Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr</em></strong></a><em>.</em> <em>Subscribe to the show via Apple Podcasts or wherever you find podcasts. Join the conversation or suggest a guest by following the show on </em><a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong><em>Twitter</em></strong></a><em> and </em><a href="https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Ffixing-health-care-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf06b53b156624519f8f308d68bd3807c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636850137835478638&amp;sdata=ntOxOT%2BjI%2FCjpZkjaCgp4%2BO9k0XJMy17PaXWSG0kQ%2F8%3D&amp;reserved=0"><em><strong>LinkedIn</strong></em></a><em>.</em> </p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/06/15/episode-22-kessler/">Episode 22: Former FDA commissioner on ending the COVID-19 pandemic</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>#13: Can we trust scientific research in the era of COVID-19?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/06/08/covid19-research/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2020 21:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>For prestigious, peer-reviewed medical journals, the retraction of an article is an incredibly rare event. Last week, it happened twice: in <em><a href="https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/04/lancet-retracts-major-covid-19-paper-that-raised-safety-concerns-about-malaria-drugs/">The Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine</a></em>. Both articles examined the effects of potential COVID-19 treatments and, following publication, had both an immediate and a significant influence on healthcare delivery in the United States.</p>



<p>The data, it turned out, was suspect at best and fraudulent at worst. With egg on their face, the editors of these journals faced a barrage of questions. Chief among them: How did this happen?</p>



<p>In episode 13 of <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/category/coronavirus/"><em><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></em></a>, co-hosts Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr examine the contentious debate over the research of possible COVID-19 cures, along with the following subjects:</p>



<p><a><strong>[00:48]</strong></a> What are the most important coronavirus news highlights from last week?   </p>



<p><strong>[06:24]</strong> Why did two of the most prestigious medical journals to retract articles tied to coronavirus treatments?</p>



<p><strong>[10:51]</strong> What does it mean that reports of child abuse are down during the pandemic? Will schools give in to pressures to reopen this fall?</p>



<p><strong>[12:12]</strong> Will protesters, many marching in close proximity without masks, suffer higher rates of  coronavirus infections?</p>



<p><strong>[15:08]</strong> With air travel picking up, what are risks for those choosing to fly? What’s the safest seat on an airplane?</p>



<p><strong>[16:32]</strong> How optimistic should we be about an effective coronavirus treatment coming soon? What do “promising findings” really mean?  </p>



<p><strong>[18:47]</strong> As the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement gains momentum, what is the nation learning about the populations most affected by the coronavirus?</p>



<p><strong>[20:55]</strong> Few people in America’s heartland are wearing masks or social distancing. Why?</p>



<p><strong>[23:38]</strong> As co-host of a podcast on the coronavirus, how’s Jeremy feeling about his son returning to daycare this week?</p>



<p><strong>[25:16]</strong> Listener question: “What do we know now about how the coronavirus is transmitted and has the risk been overrated?”</p>



<p><strong>[27:00] </strong>Listener question: “I can’t stand my kids not seeing their grandfather for another month. How can I minimize the risk of harming dad?”</p>



<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>



<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a> or send us a message on <a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>. </strong> </p>



<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program, <strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong> refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/06/08/covid19-research/">#13: Can we trust scientific research in the era of COVID-19?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>#12: How does racial inequality fuel the coronavirus crisis?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/06/01/12-racial-inequality/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2020 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Recent demonstrations and violence sparked by the death of George Floyd are “like a river,” as Dr. Robert Pearl puts it, with many streams coming together to form a powerful current. Floyd’s preventable death at the hands of Minneapolis police is the most recent stream. Others go back much farther. They include systemic racism and generations of unfair treatment by law enforcement.</p>
<p>There is yet another source to this river, which is health-related. Though the coronavirus does not see color, it does reveal the disastrous health consequences of racial, social and economic inequality in the United States. Currently, the <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/20/black-americans-death-rate-covid-19-coronavirus">mortality rate for people of color</a> is more than double that of America’s white population. Meanwhile, research has found that <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/world/europe/coronavirus-inequality.html">poverty and inequality</a> can exacerbate rates of transmission and mortality.</p>
<p>In episode 12 of&nbsp;<a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/03/15/about-coronavirus-the-truth/"><em><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></em></a>, co-hosts <strong>Dr. Robert Pearl</strong> <strong>and Jeremy Corr</strong> examine the difficult truths of racial and income inequality during the coronavirus pandemic:</p>
<p><strong>[00:55]</strong> What coronavirus news popped up in the past week?</p>
<p><strong>[07:24]</strong> Why does the coronavirus hit African-American and low-income households hardest?</p>
<p><strong>[13:07]</strong> Will the protests and riots result in spikes of coronavirus cases?</p>
<p><strong>[14:29]</strong> What’s the latest on the Moderna vaccine and Remdesivir treatment?</p>
<p><strong>[17:18]</strong> How can church congregants reduce the risks of worshiping together?</p>
<p><strong>[23:22]</strong> What might school (elementary, high school and universities) like in the fall?</p>
<p><strong>[26:18]</strong> What do we know about the possibility of getting re-infected after recovering from the coronavirus?</p>
<p><strong>[27:32]</strong> Will Americans tolerate daily testing/monitoring as a condition of coming back to work? And will employers be held accountable for public safety?</p>
<p><strong>[28:55]</strong> Should the public be concerned about mutations of the coronavirus?</p>
<p><strong>[31:50]</strong> How is the “middle game” of the U.S. coronavirus response going?</p>
<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>
<p>If you have coronavirus questions for the hosts, please visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/contact-us/"><strong>contact page</strong></a>&nbsp;or send us a message on&nbsp;<a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or&nbsp;<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>. </strong></p>
<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program,&nbsp;<strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong>&nbsp;refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest. </em></p>
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<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/06/01/12-racial-inequality/">#12: How does racial inequality fuel the coronavirus crisis?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>#11: Is a COVID-19 vaccine almost ready?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/05/25/11-vaccine/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2020 00:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>The past week brought promising news from Moderna, a biotech company that announced the results of its early vaccine trials—an announcement that sent the firm’s stock price up 30%.</p>



<p>However, it didn’t take long for the company to receive intense backlash from the scientific community for refusing to release all its testing data. Is Moderna simply trying to maintain an advantage over its competitors or are the company’s results less promising than indicated during its massive media event? And what about drug maker Gilead Sciences, which U.S. doctors and scientists say is withholding data about the antiviral drug remdesivir and its use in treating COVID-19.</p>



<p>In episode 11 of&nbsp;<a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/category/coronavirus/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><em><strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong></em></a>, Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr separate reality from hype in the development of coronavirus vaccines and medications.&nbsp;</p>



<p><strong>[00:58]</strong> What are the most recent and relevant facts concerning the coronavirus pandemic?</p>



<p><strong>[03:50]</strong> The CDC reported one-third of people infected with coronavirus are asymptomatic (showing no symptoms). What does that mean for our hopes of corralling the virus?</p>



<p><strong>[07:45]</strong> What were the results of Moderna’s initial COVID-19 vaccine trials?&nbsp;</p>



<p><strong>[16:32] </strong>Is it possible Americans could have a mass produced vaccine ready as early as October?</p>



<p><strong>[18:56] </strong>What are the two biggest threats facing businesses right now? &nbsp;</p>



<p><strong>[20:28]</strong> How are doctors and hospitals faring during the COVID-19 pandemic?</p>



<p><strong>[22:51]</strong> A company in Iowa is manufacturing face shields as an alternative to masks. Good idea? Bad idea?</p>



<p><strong>[24:43]</strong> Will patients continue to seek virtual medical care once the pandemic ends? &nbsp;</p>



<p><strong>[25:55]</strong> Why are some store owners opting to remaining closed when states are urging them to reopen?</p>



<p><strong>[27:27]</strong> Is it true that the coronavirus mortality rate varies by race and socioeconomics?</p>



<p>If you enjoyed last week’s “practical survival guide to COVID-19” tune in next week for part two, when Robert and Jeremy will answer the rest of the listener questions they received. If you have coronavirus questions you’d like the hosts to discuss next week, visit the <a href="https://fixinghealthcarepodcast.blubrry.net/contact/"><strong>contact page</strong></a>&nbsp;or send us a message on&nbsp;<a href="https://twitter.com/FixingHCPodcast"><strong>Twitter</strong></a> or&nbsp;<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/11786792"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a><strong>. </strong>&nbsp;</p>



<p>This episode is available on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coronavirus-the-truth-with-dr-robert-pearl-and-jeremy-corr/id1503171243"><strong>Apple Podcasts</strong></a>, <a href="https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly9maXhpbmdoZWFsdGhjYXJlcG9kY2FzdC5jb20vY2F0ZWdvcnkvY29yb25hdmlydXMvZmVlZC8="><strong>Google Play</strong></a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3kbvv6AhJWS8Jgcu5qCAoQ"><strong>Spotify</strong></a> and other podcast platforms.</p>



<p>*<em>To ensure the credibility of this program,&nbsp;<strong>Coronavirus: The Truth</strong>&nbsp;refuses to accept sponsorship, outside funding sources or guests with any financial or personal conflicts of interest.</em></p>
<p>The post <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/05/25/11-vaccine/">#11: Is a COVID-19 vaccine almost ready?</a> appeared first on <a href="https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com">Fixing Healthcare</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>#10: What will the ‘new normal’ look like next year based on current facts?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/05/18/10-new-normal/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2020 22:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on current facts, Dr. Robert Pearl and Jeremy Corr examine what the “new normal” might like in the United States come spring 2021.</description>
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		<title>#9: A practical survival guide to COVID-19</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/05/11/9-survival-guide/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2020 14:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With so much disinformation causing so much confusion in the United States, this episode offers a medical and economic survival guide for all of us.</description>
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		<title>Episode 21: Ex-Apple CEO talks tech and the rise of the healthcare consumer</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/05/10/21-apple-ceo/</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2020 14:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As CEO, John Sculley helped turn Apple into a multi-billion-dollar enterprise alongside Steve Jobs. Now he has his sights set on healthcare.</description>
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		<itunes:duration>56:07</itunes:duration>
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		<title>#8: Testing, testing: Which COVID-19 test is best?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/05/04/8-testing-testing/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2020 21:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Research out of Yale confirms an alternative form of testing for COVID-19 is not only less painful than the widely used nasal swab, but also more accurate.</description>
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		<title>#7: Is it time to get back to work?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/04/27/7-time-to-get-back-to-work/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With small-business employment down 40%, Americans are ready to get back to work. But is the U.S. healthcare system ready for the nation’s grand reopening?</description>
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		<title>#6: What did scientists learn this week?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/04/20/6-scientists-coronavirus/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a big week for science in our nation&#039;s quest to better understand and control the coronavirus pandemic.</description>
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		<title>#5: Can we ‘crush the curve’ of this pandemic?</title>
		<link>https://www.fixinghealthcarepodcast.com/2020/04/13/5-crush-the-curve/</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High-profile leaders have put forth plans to reopen the country, mitigate further damage from the coronavirus and &quot;crush the curve&quot;. Will any of them work?</description>
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		<title>Episode 20: Siddhartha Mukherjee on COVID-19, genes and physician sacrifice</title>
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		<description>In this interview, Dr. Siddartha Mukherjee discusses the ethics of gene therapy, his hopes for a coronavirus cure, and why doctors bring him to tears.</description>
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