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		<title>Saul Williams : Martyr Loser King</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><em>Martyr Loser King, </em>the debut graphic novel of poet, musician, actor and director Saul Williams, with art by Morgan Sorne, not only exists in the same world as his feature film <em>Neptune Frost, </em>but also that of three of his albums, one of his poetry collections and a touring dance performance called <em>The Motherboard Suite. </em>All of these works, in their respective disciplines, explore the distribution of power, the intersection of technology and race, and how our digitally-mediated lives are sustained by the crudest and cruelest of analog exploitations.</p>
<p>In <em>Martyr Loser King</em> we follow two Central African protagonists—a miner of coltan, the trace mineral that powers our smart phones and laptops, and an intersex hacker with designs on the system extracting wealth from their country and people. To borrow words from Saul&#8217;s song and poem &#8220;Coltan as Cotton,&#8221; in today&#8217;s conversation we hack into land rights and ownership, faith and morality, masculinity, femininity and sexuality. We hack into the rebellious gene, the storyboard, and the history of revolutions. We hack into the database and the panel marked &#8220;survival.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you enjoy today&#8217;s conversation consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. One of the many benefits and rewards you can choose from is access to the bonus audio archive, with contributions from everyone from Dionne Brand to Isabella Hammad, N.K. Jemisin to Danez Smith, Naomi Klein to Viet Thanh Nguyen. You can find out more at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-saul-williams-conversation">BookShop</a> for today&#8217;s conversation.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>From the Archives : Zadie Smith : Grand Union</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s classic episode from the archives with Zadie Smith was recorded in 2019 at the studios of KBOO community radio to discuss her story collection <em>Grand Union. </em>The conversation ranges wildly—from the politics of representation, of being &#8220;free to imagine,&#8221; to the freedoms we&#8217;ve surrendered to surveillance capitalism. It ranges widely because her collection is, in the words of the San Francisco Chronicle an &#8220;unusual creature&#8230;Between the covers of one book, readers will find such disparate forms as allegory, parable, speculative thriller and satire, as well as shorter incarnations of Smith’s characteristic social comedy . . . Smith’s voracious intellect is on full display.”</p>
<p>If you enjoy today&#8217;s conversation consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. Find out about all the potential benefits and rewards of doing so at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Molly Crabapple : Here Where We Live Is Our Country : The Story of the Jewish Bund</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>One of the elements that makes Molly Crabapple&#8217;s latest book so remarkable is, not only the remarkable stories it unearths and retells, but more specifically how she tells these stories, these erased stories, these stories meant to be forgotten. Not only does she tell them in a dynamic, often thrilling, way, she also does so in a way that somehow opens up the history and gifts it to contemporary movements, organizers and their artists. You can feel how alive to the moment Molly&#8217;s book of history is in the words of everyone who praises it. Whether Naomi Klein calling it a &#8220;gripping, human story of love, idealism and betrayal&#8221; or Tareq Baconi &#8220;a road map for our revolution today&#8221; and we explore this together—how to write, in whatever genre, in a way that offers one&#8217;s work to anti-colonial movements of liberation.</p>
<p>A great conversation to pair today&#8217;s with is the recent episode with Jordy Rosenberg, who asks many of these same questions, but within the realm of fiction. After Jordy and my conversation had aired, Jordy sent me a second contribution to the bonus audio archive, a reading of the Palestinian writer and performance artist Fargo Tbakhi&#8217;s &#8220;Notes on Craft: Writing in the Hour of Genocide.&#8221; This joins many contributions from past guests whether from Naomi Klein, Dionne Brand, Isabella Hammad, or Omar El Akkad. You can check out all the potential rewards and benefits of joining the Between the Covers community, including access to the bonus audio archive, at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>Finally here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-molly-crabapple-conversation">BookShop</a> for today.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Lily Brooks-Dalton : Ruins</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Lily Brooks-Dalton&#8217;s <em>Ruins </em>is both a cleverly plotted page-turner, and an emotionally engaging, character-driven novel with an unforgettable protagonist; it&#8217;s both erudite and a wild ride, inviting and yet mysterious, only slowly revealing its cards. Through the lens of archaeology, <em>Ruins</em> explores how cultures construct history and shape memory, and through our prickly protagonist Ember, the difficulties and rewards of questioning the beliefs we&#8217;ve inherited.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s conversation, beyond delving into the themes and narrative of <em>Ruins</em>, also is a deep dive into craft, particularly exploring a writer&#8217;s considerations when it comes to plotting. As part of that discussion, we not only discuss Lily&#8217;s sensibilities when it comes to her three successful novels, but we also talk about two completed novels that never coalesced and why that might be. For the bonus audio archive, Lily contributes a reading from the opening of one of these novels we will never see. This joins bonus readings from everyone from Ted Chiang to N.K. Jemisin, adrienne maree brown to Dionne Brand. You can find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio, and about all the other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>From the Archives : Ted Chiang : Exhalation</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Excited to share this classic episode from the archives with one of the great short storytellers of our time, Ted Chiang. This conversation happened in 2019 at the studios of KBOO community radio in Portland, Oregon. Blake Crouch speaking of <em>Exhalation</em>, the book we discuss today, says “Ted Chiang has no contemporary peers when it comes to the short story form. His name deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Carver, Poe, Borges, and Kafka. Every story is a universe. Every story is a diamond. You will inhale Exhalation in a single, stunned sitting, because true genius doesn’t come along nearly as often as advertised. This is the real thing.”</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Ted contributed a reading of his essay &#8220;Silicon Valley Is Turning into its Own Worst Fear,&#8221; first published at Buzzfeed, an essay exploring the reasons why Silicon Valley might particularly fear superintelligent A.I. and how credible those fears really are. This joins contributions from everyone from N.K. Jemisin to Daniel Jose Older to Vajra Chandrasekera. You can find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio, and about the other potential rewards and benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Jordy Rosenberg : Night Night Fawn</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2026 15:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s conversation with Jordy Rosenberg is many things but at its heart it explores the question of what it means to write revolutionary literature (or as Trotsky would call it &#8220;October literature&#8221;). Whether we are talking about trans horror or a Marxist surreal, the originating violence of early capitalism or writing toward utopian horizons; whether we are getting granular on the level of craft and form or looking more broadly at the role of art and artists, the question of how our writing can lend itself toward conjuring an elsewhere and otherwise is, I think, the animating force behind it all.</p>
<p>Jordy&#8217;s provocative choices in his latest novel <em>Night Night Fawn </em>bring these questions urgently to the fore as it centers and is narrated by someone whose worldview Jordy strongly opposes. <em>Night Night Fawn </em>is an opioid-addled, deathbed rant by one Barbara Rosenberg, a transphobic Zionist woman modeled after Jordy&#8217;s own mother. Barbara holds court not only on her life&#8217;s disappointments, but on Marxism and gender delivered through her cracked lens. All while her greatest disappointment, her transgender son, who may or may not want to kill her, visits her at her bedside. What opportunities, challenges and dangers does this approach create for a writer with revolutionary aims? How can looking back at originary violences, within a family or a nation or an ideology, be a liberatory act? And when confronting structural or familial violence, what is the role of humor and satire? Perhaps it is best summed up by Book Page in its starred review when they say <em>Night Night Fawn</em> is &#8220;comedic fiction as political firepower.&#8221;</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Jordy contributes a reading of Kay Gabriel &amp; Andrea Abi-Karam&#8217;s &#8220;What is the Project of Trans Poetics Now?&#8221; This joins supplemental readings by Torrey Peters, Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore, Rickey Laurentiis, Randa Abdel-Fattah, Isabella Hammad, Naomi Klein, Dionne Brand, Christina Sharpe, Layli Long Soldier, Natalie Diaz and many others. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio, and about the many other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-jordy-rosenberg-conversation">BookShop</a> for today. Given Jordy&#8217;s generous citational practice, it is more robust than most.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Joan Naviyuk Kane : with snow pouring southward past the window</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>When Cynthia Cruz describes Joan Naviyuk Kane&#8217;s latest collection as a series of poems that &#8220;both shows and enacts how a self is brought to being through the abyss,&#8221; I think of Kane&#8217;s own words about poetry: as &#8220;a place of refuge and possibility, a generative space. Not a space of loss, but contingence.&#8221; What is a home in the face of dispossession? Inheritance in the face of rupture and colonial erasure? And what is the role of language on behalf of continuity and continuation? We explore all of these questions and much more, both generally, but also quite granularly within the context of the indigenous circumpolar North.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive, Joan contributes the reading of a long poem, one that she is still working on, called &#8220;Provisionally.&#8221; She grants us a sneak peek of a poem that she has been drafting and revising for a year, in its current provisional form. This joins many remarkable contributions— from everyone from Layli Long Soldier to Dionne Brand, Isabella Hammad to Arthur Sze, Jorie Graham to Danez Smith. Find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio, and about the other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>From the Archives : Brandon Shimoda : The Grave on the Wall</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s episode is a classic from the archives, a conversation from 2019 with Brandon Shimoda about his book <em>The Grave on the Wall. </em>While the book centers on an exploration of Shimoda’s grandfather’s internment at Fort Missoula during World War II, it is really an interrogation of America that extends both directions in time from that moment. Forts such as these, that imprisoned Japanese and Japanese-Americans during the war, were also previously used to fight the Indian wars that established white dominance over Native lands, and are now today being used as detention centers/concentration camps for the refugees and immigrants from our southern border. <em>The Grave on the Wall</em> is also an engagement with photography and (mis)representation, memory and memorialization and asks the question of what it means to memorialize something that is ongoing, that has never ended.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Brandon Shimoda contributes a reading from Etel Adnan&#8217;s long poem &#8220;Fog,&#8221; a poem she dedicated to him. This joins contributions from everyone from Isabella Hammad to Dionne Brand, Natalie Diaz to Kaveh Akbar and more. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio and about all the other potential rewards and benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2026 16:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>What if we were to take seriously that we, as humans, aren&#8217;t the sole authors of our world, that there are other intelligences at play, that we are only one of many agents of change and transformation, and that &#8220;we&#8221; aren&#8217;t even entirely ourselves given that &#8220;we&#8221; are composed of many &#8220;others,&#8221; many strangers that nevertheless make up what we call a &#8220;self&#8221;—what would a philosophy and politics emerging from this look like, one where we weren&#8217;t the center or central agent of the story? And what would we do if we discovered that the way we&#8217;ve been responding to the things we want to change—colonialism, racism, fascism, environmental devastation, and more—what if something about the way we oppose these forces actually reinscribes them, where the very way we are responding to the crisis becomes part of the crisis? We explore these animating philosophical questions of Báyò Akómoláfé today and take them also into the realm of words— from what it means when Báyò says &#8220;poetry precedes language&#8221; to how to tell stories while recognizing, in their remarkable power, their danger and limitations. We talk koans and tricksters, monsters and fugitives, shifting shape, following cracks, making sanctuary and much more.</p>
<p>If you enjoy today&#8217;s conversation consider transforming yourself from a listener to a listener-supporter by joining the Between the Covers community. Find out more about all the potential benefits and rewards of doing so at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>Finally the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-bayo-akomolafe-conversation">BookShop</a> for today.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Milkweed Live : Canisia Lubrin : The World After Rain</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2026 18:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Canisia Lubrin returns to Between the Covers for a live conversation in downtown Portland, at Powell&#8217;s Bookstore, about her latest poetry collection <em>The World After Rain. </em>A private book, that Canisia never intended to publish, we explore what it means to write elegy beyond personal biography, what it means that &#8220;metaphors unmake the too-made,&#8221; what it means to write against the literal, with a folk sensibility and consciousness, and much more. How does elegy relate, formally and aesthetically, to water? What is the utility of poetry, its effect in the world? How can autobiography be a way to move beyond the self? Join Canisia for a deep exploration of these animating questions in her latest work.</p>
<p>The first time Canisia was one the show, to discuss her book <em>Code Noir</em>, her contribution to the bonus audio archive was a reading of as-of-yet-unpublished works by Christina Sharpe and Dionne Brand, and a soundscape she stitched together from six years of touring, from Canada to Europe to the Caribbean. This joins an immense and ever-growing archive of supplemental material and is only one of many possible things to choose from when you join the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. You can find out more at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-canisia-lubrin-live-conversation">BookShop</a> for today.</p>
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		<title>From the Archives : Jake Skeets : Eyes Bottle Dark with a Mouthful of Flowers</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2026 06:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s episode is a classic from the archives, a conversation from 2019 with current Navajo Nation Poet Laureate Jake Skeets about his debut poetry collection <em>Eyes Bottle Dark with a Mouthful of Flowers. </em>Winner of the Whiting Award in poetry and the Kate Tufts Discovery Award, there is no better time to revisit this remarkable collection, and this unforgettable conversation with Skeets, as we await his new book <em>Horses</em> coming this March from Milkweed Editions.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Jake contributed a reading and analysis of a poem by the first Navajo Nation Poet Laureate, Luci Tapahonso, a poem called &#8220;Hills Brothers Coffee.&#8221;  He talks about it in relation to his thoughts on Diné or Navajo poetics. This joins supplemental readings by many past guests including Tommy Pico, Layli Long Soldier, Brandon Hobson, Leanne Betasamosake Simpson, Natalie Diaz, Elissa Washuta, Morgan Talty and many others. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio and about the many other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Sangamithra Iyer : Governing Bodies : A Memoir, A Confluence, A Watershed</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2026 05:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When I tell you a story about my body, I cannot separate it from a story about water. And a story about water is also a story about family. And a story about family is rooted in the earth&#8230;,&#8221; opens Sangamithra Iyer&#8217;s <em>Governing Bodies. </em>What does it mean for a memoir to assume the elusive, ever-changing shape of water, to be the story of family but where the notion of family crosses the boundaries of blood, culture, nation and even species? <em>Governing Bodies, </em>as the Whiting judges said in their citation, is &#8220;a subtle, meditative exploration on grief and nonviolence, an international and intergenerational voyage through shared histories and a consideration of what we owe to each other and the natural world.”</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive, Sangu contributes a reading of her remarkable essay &#8220;Are You Willing?&#8221; which originally appeared in the anthology <em>Writing for Animals: New Perspectives for Writers &amp; Instructors to Educate &amp; Inspire.</em> This joins an ever-growing archive of contributions from past guests—from Richard Powers to adrienne maree brown, Forrest Gander to Arthur Sze, Natalie Diaz to Ada Limón. You can find out how to access the bonus audio and about the many other potential benefits and rewards to choose from, when you join the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>Finally, here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-sangamithra-iyer-conversation">BookShop</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Lily Dunn : Into Being : The Radical Craft of Memoir and Its Power to Transform</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2026 16:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In <em>Into Being </em>Lily Dunn explores the ways in which writing one&#8217;s life has the potential to transform it; how writing, if done well,  can produce &#8220;symbolic repair.&#8221; We look at Virginia Woolf&#8217;s notion of &#8220;moments of being&#8221; as a means and method to find the form that best fits your specific story to tell. We look at different ways memoirists have used the imagination within their own work, and the various ethical issues that arise when writing about people close to you or about other peoples&#8217; trauma. And from beginning to end, we look at Lily&#8217;s own remarkable memoir, <em>Sins of My Father: A Daughter, A Cult, A Wild Unravelling, </em>as a way into these questions as well.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Lily walks us through one of the writing exercises in the book. This joins a large and ever-growing archive, everything from craft talks by Marlon James and Jeannie Vanasco, to writing prompts from Danez Smith &amp; Lucy Ives, to readings by everyone from Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore to Richard Powers. You can find out about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and about all the other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Randa Abdel-Fattah : Discipline</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2025 22:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Randa Abdel-Fattah&#8217;s new novel <em>Discipline</em> is set in Sydney, Australia in 2021 during Ramadan. <em>Discipline</em> follows two Palestinians there, one in media and one in academia, where each has to confront questions of silence and complicity in their respective fields. As Israel intensifies its bombardment of Gaza, and as an eighteen-year-old student at a local Islamic school is arrested for protesting a university&#8217;s investment in an Israeli arms manufacturer—an arrest that results in an Islamophobic moral panic across Australia, our two Palestinian protagonists make very different decisions on how to engage with the power structures within their disciplines and within the country at large. What is the cost of staying and fighting within an organization that wants to silence you? What is the cost of walking way? In addition to being a riveting read on the level of story, <em>Discipline</em> is also a sort of primer on the weaponization of language, particularly liberal rhetoric employed to capture and domesticate radical movements of change.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Randa contributes a reading of excerpts from Chelsea Watego&#8217;s &#8220;Always Bet on Black (Power): The Fight Against Race.&#8221; This joins bonus readings from Dionne Brand, Danez Smith, Isabella Hammad, Natalie Diaz, Omar El Akkad, music from Leanne Betasamosake Simpson and much more. To learn about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Jazmina Barrera : The Queen of Swords</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2025 19:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Jorge Luis Borges called her the &#8220;Tolstoy of Mexico&#8221; and César Aira the &#8220;greatest novelist of the 20th century,&#8221; so why is it likely that you haven&#8217;t read or even heard of Elena Garro before now? And given that Garro was, like her fantastical stories,  not beholden to the truth when accounting her own life, and given that her own life was, in its radical shifts and contradictions, so wildly resistant to comprehension, how does one present her now to the world? Jazmina Barrera may be the perfect writer to do so as her new Garro-centric book <em>The Queen of Swords</em> is as unconventional as her subject. Full of cats and revolution, Tarot and the CIA, conspiracy and embroidery, this anti-biographical love letter to another writer also becomes a portrait of Jazmina as well.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Jazmina contributes a reading from Elena Garro&#8217;s story &#8220;When We Were Dogs,&#8221; in Christina MacSweeney&#8217;s translation. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Caren Beilin : Sea Poison</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Caren Beilin&#8217;s <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/caren-beilin-revenge-of-the-scapegoat/">first appearance on the show, </a>in 2022 to discuss her book <em>Revenge of the Scapegoat</em>, was so unforgettable, and spurred so much enthusiasm and electrifying conversation in its wake, that I couldn&#8217;t say &#8220;no&#8221; to being in conversation with her again, this time live at Powell&#8217;s Bookstore, to discuss her latest book <em>Sea, Poison</em> out with New Directions. So get ready, as if you were a donkey dragged through a mossy ditch of Daniel Day-Lewis-ishness, for a conversation of stolen plots and stolen uteri, medical Oulipo, botched eye surgeries, dirty dancing, and more.</p>
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		<title>Tin House Live: Stephen Hayes</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2025 15:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Painter Stephen Hayes latest exhibition, &#8220;Elegy,&#8221; consists of twelve abstract paintings that engage with the genocide in Gaza. One of the twelve paintings was created while listening to the Between the Covers conversation with Omar El Akkad about his book <em>One Day Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This.</em> Because of this, instead of asking, as he usually does, an art curator or fellow painter to be in a public conversation with him as part of the exhibition, he asked me to interview him. Much as our conversation was surely different than the others he has had about his work over his nearly half-century of being a painter, his invitation also asked me to step into unfamiliar territory, to meet Stephen in this third space, unfamiliar to us both, and make something new together.</p>
<p>The conversation was held at the Elizabeth Leach Gallery in Portland, Oregon. Head over to <a href="https://www.elizabethleach.com/exhibitions/246-elegy-stephen-hayes/overview/">the gallery website </a>to see images of the &#8220;Elegy&#8221; exhibition and to <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRA6UteElgL/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&amp;igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==">this post on their Instagram page</a> to see the specific painting that was created under the aura of this podcast.</p>
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		<title>Robin Coste Lewis : Archive of Desire</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2025 19:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><em>Archive of Desire: A Poem in Four Parts for C.P. Cavafy </em>began as a collaborative multidisciplinary project between the poet Robin Coste Lewis, the composer Vijay Iyer, the cellist Jeffrey Zeigler and the visual artist Julie Mehretu. This multimedia quartet traveled to Athens together to engage with the Cavafy archives as part of the composition of their performance, a performance now rendered anew on the page in Robin&#8217;s new poetry collection. We look at the different ways Robin alchemizes archival material across her three books, at questions of selfhood and desire when engaging with the poetry of another, at her unique relationship to time, at how queerness informs her poetics and that of Cavafy&#8217;s, and much more. A conversation that conjures everyone from Anne Carson to Lyn Hejinian, Daniel Mendelsohn to Ross Gay, and roams from ancient Greece to modern Alexandria.</p>
<p>If you enjoyed today&#8217;s conversation consider transforming yourself from a listener to a listener-supporter by joining the Between the Covers community. There are many potential rewards and benefits of doing so including the bonus audio archive which includes supplemental contributions by past guests, from Dionne Brand and Nikky Finney, to Ross Gay and Natalie Diaz. Learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio and about the other benefits to choose from at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here if the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-robin-coste-lewis-conversation">BookShop</a> for today&#8217;s conversation.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Diana Arterian : Agrippina the Younger &#038; Smoke Drifts</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2025 17:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>As an artist, how does one dive into the wreck of an archive, a canon, a shared collective memory, a history—one filled with silenced voices, distorted accounts, erasures and elisions—on behalf of those wronged by it? Poet Dionne Brand says &#8220;the salvage is the life which exceeds the wreck&#8221; and Diana Arterian&#8217;s work seems animated by this work of salvage and recovery. We look at her new poetry collection, <em>Agrippina the Younger, </em>about a Roman Empress who, today, is only known as the &#8220;daughter of,&#8221; &#8220;sister of,&#8221; &#8220;mother of,&#8221; &#8220;wife of &#8221; various men of history; and also at Diana&#8217;s new work of translation (co-translated with Marina Omar) <em>Smoke Drifts, </em>the first time the Anglophone world is able to engage deeply with the work of the Afghan poet Nadia Anjuman, a rising literary star silenced in the prime of her life. We look at feminist practices and strategies of archival confrontation in these two very different contexts, Ancient Rome and modern Afghanistan, and the different considerations and choices Diana makes as she dives deep into the wreck and somehow resurfaces to re-present these lives, this art, shimmering with life, for us.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Diana contributes an epic medley of readings, everything from ancient Armenian poetry to some co-translations in-progress of contemporary Armenian poetry; from her memoir-in-progress to a hard-to-find 35 year old piece by Alice Notley called &#8220;Homer&#8217;s Art&#8221; which wonders how a women could write an epic and if &#8220;there might be recovered some sense of what the mind was like before Homer, before the world went haywire &amp; women were denied participation in the design &amp; making of it. Perhaps someone might discover that original mind inside herself right now, in these times.&#8221; To learn about how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive and about all the other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-diana-arterian-conversation">BookShop</a> for today&#8217;s conversation.</p>
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		<title>Olga Ravn : The Wax Child</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2025 13:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Set during the 17th century witch trials in Denmark, and relayed to us through the voice of a magically animated wax child of one of the accused, Olga Ravn&#8217;s new book, which creates something uncannily other from primary sources, has been heralded as a &#8220;devilishly subversive feminist anthem&#8221; and speaks as much to the present moment as it does to the time of the witches. We explore how the witch hunts and trials were an important part of creating a notion of state, family and self that we still live under today. We look at the fear of women gathering, at folk magic and alchemy, at animating the archive through ritual and the imagination, and much more.</p>
<p>If you enjoy today&#8217;s conversation consider transforming yourself from a listener to a listener-supporter by joining the Between the Covers community. There are lots of rewards and benefits of doing so and you can explore them all at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Rickey Laurentiis : Death of the First Idea</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2025 12:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Ten years in the making, poet Rickey Laurentiis joins us to talk about her much-anticipated remarkable new collection <em>Death of the First Idea. </em>&#8220;In the past decade, as Laurentiis has transitioned, her ideas of the lyric and poetry have transformed, as has the America in which she lives,&#8221; says the back copy on this book, whose poetry fittingly resists easy categorization. Oracular and lyrical, mythic and confessional, archaic and futuristic, personal and communal, Rickey&#8217;s poetry takes us far and wide, from Ancient Greece to New Orleans to Palestine, from Dante to Emily Dickinson to her own past and future selves. As Safiya Sinclair says: &#8220;Here is a poet in an ecstatic trance, dancing with the muses. Each page is an inferno of linguistic fervor, reforging trans identity and femme imagination. Deeply felt, rigorous, and erudite, these poems strike deep in the mind and stick to the soul. Startling and raw and exquisitely fearless, above all, these poems choose to <em>live</em>.&#8221;</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Rickey contributes a reading of a new poem, written just two days before this conversation was recorded, entitled &#8220;Second Nature.&#8221; This joins bonus audio from everyone from Danez Smith to Torrey Peters, Jorie Graham to Dionne Brand. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio and about the other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Laynie Browne : Apprentice to a Breathing Hand</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2025 04:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>What does it mean to write toward or under the aura of another poet one admires, to write in homage, as a celebration of another? What happens to language when it hovers between two writers, between how they each separately inhabit it? What does it say about the self, or is discovered about it—within the poem and in the world at large—when that self works through a devotional practice of homage? Today we look at one of Laynie Browne&#8217;s homage books, her most recent collection <em>Apprentice to a Breathing Hand</em> which is in deep engagement with the poetry of Mei-Mei Berssenbrugge. Fittingly, the conversation becomes a deep exploration of both Laynie and Mei-Mei&#8217;s poetry, their animating questions and concerns, and the work that arises when their work is placed alongside, nested within, in dialogue, in this way.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio Laynie reads for us from another one of her homage books, this one to Alice Notley, called <em>Everyone and Her Resemblances </em>to demonstrate a very different aesthetic and syntactic, formal and thematic project. To learn about how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive, and the other benefits and rewards to choose from when joining the Between the Covers community, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Martha Anne Toll : Duet for One</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2025 17:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s guest is writer and critic Martha Anne Toll. Through a discussion of her latest novel <em>Duet for One</em> we explore the perennial mystery of writing and art-making, namely how to render something that lives beyond representation, and how words can become a vehicle to evoke what words themselves cannot adequately describe. In this case, we look at how to bring music into language, the experience of making it and hearing it into the realm of words. We explore Martha&#8217;s lifelong journey toward becoming a writer, through music and law and social justice, ultimately debuting as a novelist in her sixties. And how her mentorship as a musician affected and shaped her writing life, from craft and form to failure and perseverance.</p>
<p>If you enjoyed today&#8217;s conversation consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. Find out about all the rewards and benefits of doing so at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Rob Macaisa Colgate : Hardly Creatures &#038; My Love is Water</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2025 14:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s conversation with Rob Macaisa Colgate is about two books, his poetry collection <em>Hardly Creatures</em> and his verse drama <em>My Love is Water. </em>You could say these two books are approaching the same questions, but from opposite, if complementary vantage points. Questions of care and disability, of accessibility and community, of Filipino-American identity and the afterlives of colonialism, of queerness and its intersections with race, of selfhood in relation to psychiatric medications, of cross-species solidarity, of questions of language and form, freedom and love and much more. We explore a Crip Mad Poetics and Disability theory in relation to the syntax of the sentence, the body of the poem, and in relation to the world-at-large.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio Rob walks us through how he uses Google spreadsheets as a compositional tool. Reading down several rows of poetry drafts, cell by cell—cells full of recognizable lines of poetry, spontaneous asides, open questions, screenshots and more—he shows us how this process leads to the published poems we hear today. This joins an immense and ever-growing archive of bonus material, with contributions from everyone from Johanna Hedva and adrienne maree brown, to Layli Long Soldier and Victoria Chang. You can learn how to subscribe and about the other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Robert Macfarlane : Is a River Alive?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2025 03:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t miss today&#8217;s conversation with Robert Macfarlane. A polyvocal deep dive into the mysteries of words and rivers, of speech acts as spells, whorls as worlds, of grammars of animacy, of what it means to river, and to be rivered. From the Epic of Gilgamesh to Virginia Woolf&#8217;s wave in the mind to Ursula K. Le Guin&#8217;s fellow feeling to Leanne Betasamosake Simpson&#8217;s notion of theory as embodied and  kinetic, we look at the role of the imagination, language and the body in reorienting ourselves to a world alive with us beholden to it. And we look to the water defenders and language revivers as part of together dreaming an otherwise.</p>
<p>The bonus audio archive contains many contributions from people mentioned today, from Alice Oswald to Natalie Diaz to Jorie Graham to Richard Powers. To learn more about how to subscribe to the supplementary material, and about all the potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community, head over to the show&#8217;s <a style="background-color: #ffffff;" href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>adrienne maree brown : Ancestors</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2025 12:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>With the arrival of <em>Ancestors,</em> the third and final book in adrienne maree brown&#8217;s Grievers Trilogy, we take the iconic frames she has created in her nonfiction work—emergent strategy, pleasure activism, fractal responsibility, loving corrections and more—and look at how they are dramatized within this fictional near-future Detroit. Much as the three books do themselves, one to the next, we look at questions of care and solidarity at three different scales—the individual, the interpersonal, and the collective—and we explore how they relate to each other fractally, both within this imagined world, and within our own. We conjure the work and thought of everyone from Ursula K. Le Guin to Octavia Butler, Grace Lee Boggs to Saul Williams, Toni Morrison to Toni Cade Bambara, as we explore everything from the allure and dangers of utopias, to how to knit oneself into a larger collective as part of dreaming an otherwise.</p>
<p>adrienne&#8217;s first appearance on the show was for <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/crafting-with-ursula-adrienne-maree-brown-on-social-justice-science-fiction/">the 2022 series Crafting with Ursula</a>, where we looked at questions of social justice and science fiction in adrienne&#8217;s work alongside that of Ursula K. Le Guin.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive, adrienne contributes the singing of two songs from the Grievers trilogy. This joins bonus audio from many other past guests, including Dionne Brand, Christina Sharpe, N.K. Jemisin, Daniel José Older and more. The bonus audio is only one of many things to choose from if you join the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. Find out more at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Madeleine Thien : The Book of Records</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2025 09:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><em>The Book of Records</em> is many things: a book of historical fiction <em>and</em> speculative fiction, a meditation on time and on space-time,  on storytelling and truth, on memory and the imagination, a book that impossibly conjures the lives and eras of the philosopher Baruch Spinoza, the Tang dynasty poet Du Fu and the political theorist Hannah Arendt not as mere ghostly presences but portrayed as vividly and tangibly as if they lived here and now in the room where we hold this very book. But most of all this is a book about books, about words as amulets, about stories as shelters, about novels as life rafts, about strangers saving strangers, about friendships that defy both space and time, about choosing, sometimes at great risk to oneself, life and love.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio Madeleine Thien contributes an incredible reading of the poem &#8220;Hold Everything Dear&#8221; by Gareth Evans. A poem that Evans himself wrote for John Berger. It joins a trove of bonus material, contributions from everyone from Omar El Akkad to Dionne Brand, Viet Thanh Nguyen to Danez Smith. To learn about how to subscribe to the bonus material and about all the other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Leanne Betasamosake Simpson : Theory of Water</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2025 10:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>What would it mean for our writing, thinking, and living if we looked to land as pedagogy, or if we thought of theory as something embodied and kinetic? In <em>Theory of Water </em>Leanne Betasamosake Simpson takes us not only outside the academy, and away from our screens, but outside and into the world at large as part of a reconsideration of what and whom we consider teachers and mentors, of where and how we might learn and develop our thoughts, and of what the role of stories and storytelling might really be. <em>Theory of Water</em> ultimately explores what this reorientation might do, not only to our writing and our relation to language, but to our politics, our vision of a future world, and how we might arrive there together. Looking to water, to snow, to ice, to eels, to beavers, to bullfrogs, we explore what the more-than-human world can teach us about resistance and coexistence both.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Leanne contributes a sneak peek at a song of hers, &#8220;Murder of Crows,&#8221; that will be on her upcoming album Live Like the Sky (which will likely be released some time this fall). To learn about the bonus audio archive and all the other potential rewards and benefits of joining the Between the Covers community, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-the-leanne-betasamosake-simpson-conversation">BookShop</a> for today.</p>
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		<title>Keetje Kuipers : Lonely Women Make Good Lovers</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2025 15:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>From the craft of writing sex in poetry to the virtues of failing publicly, today&#8217;s conversation with poet Keetje Kuipers is not to be missed. We explore everything from storytelling within poems to the dialectic between control and wildness; everything from queerness and wilderness to fantasy as a portal to truth on the page.</p>
<p>Keetje&#8217;s contribution to the bonus audio archive is unusually generous. Part reading, part teaching meditation, she draws upon many of the themes we discuss in the main interview and finds a poem by another that exemplifies that theme, whether it be an example of what an embodied poem looks like, or who is in her lineage of nature poets of the Mountain West that are also queer women, or poems that exemplify a beautiful dance between control and wildness, and she reads these poems for us and talks about them. To find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive and about the other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-keetje-kuipers-conversation">BookShop</a> for today&#8217;s episode.</p>
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		<title>Patrycja Humienik : We Contain Landscapes</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2025 21:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>What does it mean to risk rupture for rapture, on the page, and in one&#8217;s life? Or for water to be one&#8217;s method, mode or muse? Are inherited forms (of womanhood, of sexuality, of national identity) a gift or are their borders meant to be crossed and breached? Together we look at forms and norms in Patrycja&#8217;s poetry, at bringing unruly forces into one&#8217;s work—eros, love, solidarity across difference—that, like a river, are summoned to a larger body.</p>
<p>If you enjoyed today&#8217;s conversation, consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. You can find out about all the potential benefits and rewards of doing so at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-patrycja-humienik-conversation">BookShop</a> for today&#8217;s conversation.</p>
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		<title>Torrey Peters : Stag Dance</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2025 11:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Four novellas, in four different genres—science fiction, horror, teen romance, and a western—<em>Stag Dance</em> not only interrogates genre, but gender through genre. Written over a ten year period, Torrey Peters&#8217; new book spans a decade when her own views and insights about gender were themselves changing. Placing these four novellas in conversation with each other like this now, raises all sorts of questions about identity and the construction of a self, as Peters <span class="NormalTextRun SCXW226827267 BCX0">puzzles out, through genre, the inconvenient aspects of what she calls her &#8220;never-ending transition—otherwise known as </span><span class="FindHit SCXW226827267 BCX0">ongoing</span><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW226827267 BCX0"> trans life.&#8221;  We look at questions of audience and risk, of writing into the taboos within one&#8217;s own community, and what it means that Torrey is less interested in exploring the binary between men and women, masculine and feminine, than the one between cis and trans, raising the question whether it is even a binary at all. We discuss the overdetermined transition narrative within trans literature and look at limit cases of cis gender performance from Kim Kardashian to Karl Ove Knausgaard to Ernest Hemingway&#8217;s late-in-life exploration of gender fluidity within his work. Whether talking about  Shakespeare or Taylor Swift, this boundary-defying conversation explodes the distinctions between high and low culture, and like her work itself, it will make you laugh, make you think, and make you reconsider what is possible. </span></p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Torrey contributes a reading of the first thing she wrote after she transitioned: &#8220;How To Become A Really Really Not Famous Trans Lady Writer,&#8221;  This joins incredible readings from everyone from Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore to CAConrad and is only one thing to choose from when you join the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. You can check it all out at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-torrey-peters-stag-dance-conversation">BookShop</a> for today&#8217;s conversation.</p>
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		<title>Michelle de Kretser : Theory &#038; Practice</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2025 21:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s guest, one of Australia&#8217;s most celebrated and daring writers, Michelle de Kretser, discusses her latest uncategorizable book <em>Theory &amp; Practice </em>(one she describes as 80% fiction, 15% essay and 5% memoir). <em>Theory &amp; Practice</em> is a book that is wildly erudite and erotic at the same time, both an engrossing, immersive read and one that is constantly experimenting with and breaking form. A book that dwells in the contradictions between what we believe and what we do. And one that uses, as a lens, the liberatory power of Virginia Woolf&#8217;s published words alongside her often snobbish, racist, and antisemitic private ones, not only to explore this contradiction but also questions of gender, race, class and colonialism more broadly. You&#8217;d be just as correct, however, to call it a book about<span class="NormalTextRun SCXW32782448 BCX0"> love, sex, shame and </span><span class="FindHit SCXW32782448 BCX0">jealousy, set on a university campus in the 1980s at the height of deconstruction&#8217;s hold on the minds of its thinkers there.</span></p>
<p>If you enjoyed today&#8217;s conversation consider joining the Between the Covers community, receiving supplemental resources with each and every episode, and being able to choose from a wide variety of other gifts and rewards as well. You can check it all out at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-michelle-de-kretser-conversation">BookShop</a> for today&#8217;s conversation with books from everyone from Ursula K. Le Guin to Shirley Hazzard to Virginia Woolf.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Omar El Akkad : One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This</title>
		<link>https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/omar-el-akkad-one-day-everyone-will-have-always-been-against-this/</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2025 16:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In late October 2023, weeks into Israel&#8217;s bombing of northern Gaza, the novelist Omar El Akkad retweeted a video taken by a Gazan man. This video showed a lifeless moonscape with endless empty streets of rubble, every building, one to the next, a hollow blown-out shell of itself. No people, no animals, the only sound the strained breath of this man stumbling through this indiscriminately obliterated city that was once a home. El Akkad captioned his tweet with the words: &#8220;One day, when it&#8217;s safe, when there&#8217;s no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it&#8217;s too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this&#8221; a tweet that has now been viewed over ten million times. Despite El Akkad&#8217;s past as a journalist, one who reported on some of the most notorious and fraught moments in recent U.S. history—whether embedded in Afghanistan, down at Guantanamo Bay, or reporting from Ferguson, Missouri—it was the aftermath of October 7th that was a turning point for him in relation to the West and its notions of humanism and liberalism. Together we discuss his debut work of nonfiction that resulted from this, that many characterize as his breakup letter to the West. We look at the role of language in providing cover for the middle, the centrist, the well-meaning liberal to look away and the power of language to create a climate of dehumanization, allowing the unspeakable to seem tragic but necessary.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Omar contributes a reading of one of his favorite poems by Jorie Graham. This joins everyone from Isabella Hammad reading Walid Daqqa to Roger Reeves reading Ghassan Kanafani, to Zahid Rafiq reading Franz Kafka. If you enjoyed today&#8217;s conversation consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. You can find out about all the benefits and rewards of doing so, including how to subscribe to the bonus audio, at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-omar-el-akkad-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s episode.</p>
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		<title>Hélène Cixous : Rêvoir</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Feb 2025 14:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Feminist and literary theorist, playwright, philosopher, memoirist and novelist Hélène Cixous returns to the show to discuss her latest genre-defying hybrid work of prose. Written during the first year of the pandemic, <em>Rêvoir </em>explores the effect of pandemic confinement on time, the effect of pandemic time on writing, and what plagues and confinement show us about the nature of time, memory, dreams, history, language, home, flight, cats, love and death. Struggling to find purchase on her own writing within the timelessness of that year, she conjures and contemplates the works of everyone from Thucydides to Kafka, Shakespeare to Shackleton, to uncover how literature always begins with an ending, always opens with no way forward. What does Cixous mean that language is haunted by writing? That it is not just the writer who writes, but the words themselves?  Join us to find out!</p>
<p>For the bonus audio, enjoy a long-form conversation with Cixous&#8217; translator, the poet Beverley Bie-Brahic. Given that Cixous breaks the norms of form, syntax and punctuation, not in predictable or consistent ways, but from a place of instinct and intuition, and given that her playful use of homophones in French, an essential quality of her writing that often leads where her writing ultimately goes, Cixous&#8217; writing presents some unusually difficult challenges for a translator. Something we explore with Bie-Brahic in this conversation. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive and about all the other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, head over to the show&#8217;s <a style="background-color: #ffffff;" href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-helene-cixous-revoir-conversation">BookShop</a> for today&#8217;s episode.</p>
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		<title>Aria Aber : Good Girl</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Poet Aria Aber&#8217;s debut novel <em>Good Girl </em>, set in the club scene of Berlin, is a book brimming over with sex and drugs and music, true. But really at its heart it is a book of self-making and unmaking, of self-destruction and self-discovery, where 19 year old Nila navigates the irresolvable dialectics of being a second generation Afghan-German immigrant, finding home neither in the world of her family nor in Germany at large. A book coursing with desire and shame, flight and pursuit, <em>Good Girl </em>is ultimately about the desperate need to find oneself and one&#8217;s home, whatever the cost. Where home might not be a place or a people at all, but the world of art and literature itself.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Aria contributes a reading from Palestinian writer Yasmin Zaher&#8217;s debut novel, <em>The Coin. </em>This joins Isabella Hammad reading from Walid Daqqa&#8217;s prison writings, Zahid Rafiq reading Kafka, Rabih Alameddine reading Fernando Pessoa, Dionne Brand reading Christina Sharpe and much more. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the other potential benefits and rewards available when you join the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Zahid Rafiq : The World With Its Mouth Open</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2025 21:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s guest Zahid Rafiq discusses his debut short story collection <em>The World With Its Mouth Open</em>, eleven remarkable stories set in modern-day Kashmir. Prior to writing fiction Rafiq was a journalist and we explore the ways the stories he tells now, and the stories he wrote then, differ and overlap, We look at how fiction can contain the unsaid, the unknown even; how it can create space for silence, and, unlike journalism, tell the stories behind the stories. We explore the relationship of art and politics, especially when writing stories about ordinary lives and ordinary days, stories often described as quiet and understated, when they are, at the same time, set in one of the most contested and militarized places on earth.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Zahid contributes a reading from the writings of one of the most important writers for him, Franz Kafka. He reads from the chapter &#8220;Waiting for Klamm&#8221; from his novel <em>The Castle. </em>To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive and about all the other potential rewards and benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-zahid-rafiq-conversation?new-list-page=true">BookShop</a> for today&#8217;s conversation.</p>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Denis Johnson : 2004</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2024 20:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>We started 2024 with <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/tin-house-live-denis-johnson-2003/">an archival recording</a> of Denis Johnson from the first ever Tin House Writers Workshop in 2003. That episode was a three-part episode: Denis Johnson reading from the manuscript of his novella <em>Train Dreams, </em>then being interviewed by Chris Offutt, and finally, Denis, Chris and Charles D&#8217;Ambrosio performing the first act of his play <em>Psychos Never Dream</em>. It turns out Denis returned to the Tin House workshop the following year, the summer of 2004. It seems a fitting way to round out the year to have the last episode of 2024 be an archival recording of his return. This episode is a two-part episode. The first half is a reading from the manuscript of what would become his National Book Award-winning novel <em>Tree of Smoke</em>. The second half is an extended interview of Denis by Charles D&#8217;Ambrosio. A deep dive into Johnson&#8217;s process and philosophy, and into questions of craft and influence.</p>
<p>If you enjoy today&#8217;s episode, consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. You can find out about all the potential rewards and benefits of doing so at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
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		<title>Rodrigo Fresán : Melvill</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2024 06:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>How can a novel set during one brief moment near the end of Herman Melville&#8217;s father&#8217;s life, a moment lost to history and now fully overshadowed by his son&#8217;s enduring literary legacy, become a portal to discuss the world entire? <em>Melvill </em>is a novel about reading and writing, about parenthood and legacy, about madness and memory, about time and ghosts and the dead who never die. Jorge Luis Borges once called <em>Moby Dick </em>an &#8220;infinite novel,&#8221; one that &#8220;page by page, expands and even exceeds the size of the cosmos.&#8221; And today&#8217;s conversation with Rodrigo Fresán seems animated by this very spirit. Somehow a conversation about Herman Melville&#8217;s father not only becomes a deep meditation on <em>Moby Dick</em> but also, at the very same time, at the very same moment, a meditation on Argentinian literature, on imagination and place, on style and plot, on vampires and footnotes, on Borges, Bolaño, Bob Dylan, Vladimir Nabokov, and on and on into the infinite cosmos.</p>
<p>For those subscribed to the bonus audio archive, today&#8217;s contribution is a long-form conversation with <em>Melvill</em>&#8216;s translator Will Vanderhyden. We explore Will and Rodrigo&#8217;s ongoing collaboration and friendship, the challenges and joys of translating Rodrigo&#8217;s work and Will&#8217;s own journey as a translator. To learn more about the bonus audio and the other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-rodrigo-fresan-conversation?new-list-page=true">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s episode.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Dionne Brand : Salvage : Readings from the Wreck</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2024 19:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>What does it mean that a life can not only be animated by books but destroyed by them? That a self can be not only made by reading, but unmade by it? Dionne Brand&#8217;s latest book of nonfiction <em>Salvage: Readings from the Wreck </em>returns to formative texts from her own reading life in order to model a more aware and  liberatory way of reading, of thinking, of being, in relation to them. We explore what we can salvage from the wreck, the wreck that is the book before us, the wreck that is us before the book.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Dionne reads selections from the work of Canisia Lubrin and Christina Sharpe. This joins readings, craft talks, writing prompts and more from everyone from Danez Smith to Marlon James to Nikky Finney. You can find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio and about all the other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-support at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-dionne-brand-s-salvage-conversation?new-list-page=true">BookShop</a> for today.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Danez Smith : Bluff</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2024 20:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Danez Smith&#8217;s poetry is so many things, a poetry of resistance, of elegy, of joy, of care, of repair. Their poetry is Afrofuturist and Afropessimist. It&#8217;s nature poetry, decolonial poetry, queer poetry, a poetry that is archival and documentary. And it is also a poetry that questions poetry itself and even more so, questions the poet, a poetry that is continually in the process of self-remaking and unmaking, of forging and severing allegiances, a shapeshifting poetry, a poetry of mutual aid, a poetry reaching toward, and already singing from, an elsewhere and an otherwise. Nam Le for the New Your Times, speaking of Smith&#8217;s new book <em>Bluff, </em>doesn&#8217;t just suggest that this book is a major turning point for the poet, a volta within this poet&#8217;s evolution, but also suggests that Danez&#8217;s volta might also represent a turning point for American poetry at large. This twinning, of the self that is Danez to the poetry collective, feels prescient, as their poetry contains so much, and so much powerful self-examination, that it becomes an examination of all of us, for all of us, of what it means to be an &#8220;I&#8221; and what it means to be a &#8220;we.&#8221; Who better to lead us through than a poet like this?</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive, Danez contributes something really special for us. As one of the six members of the Dark Noise Collective (along with Fatimah Asghar, Aaron Samuels, Franny Choi, Nate Marshall, and Jamila Woods), Danez reads a favorite poem from each of their five peers and follows each reading with a writing prompt designed for us and related to the poem just read. After five poems and five writing prompts, Danez reads a poem of their own too. This joins an ever-growing archive of supplemental material from Ross Gay reading Jean Valentine to Dionne Brand reading Christina Sharpe to Nikky Finney reading from the diaries of Lorraine Hansberry. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio and about all the other possible benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-danez-smith-conversation?new-list-page=true">BookShop</a> for today.</p>
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		<title>Kenzie Allen : Cloud Missives</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s conversation with Kenzie Allen, about her debut poetry collection <em>Cloud Missives</em>, is unusually wide-ranging. We look at the influence of archaeology, anthropology and cartography on her poetry, and on her notion of gaze within her work. We explore the fraught colonial history of these fields, and how, as an indigenous poet, she orients herself to her own work in this regard. We look at questions of identity, representation and stereotype both in the realm of language and art-making, and also in the realm of tribal sovereignty, looking at the colonial history of  blood quantum and its repercussions today. We also look at questions of form, both inherited forms and the creation of new ones, of both poetry on the page, and multimodal works that live off of it, from visual poetry to literary cartography to the wampum belt as an ancient form of hyper-text.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive, Kenzie contributes an extended reading of a sequence poem that she calls Love Songs to Banish Another Love Song. By reading this, she gives us a peek behind the curtain of the process of revision, because this sequence is an earlier, very different version of a much shorter poem in <em>Cloud Missives. </em>This joins many other supplemental readings in the archive from everyone from Jake Skeets to Layli Long Soldier, Elissa Washuta to Natalie Diaz, Brandon Hobson to Tommy Pico to Terese Marie Mailhot. You can find out how to subscribe and check out the many other possible benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-kenzie-allen-conversation">BookShop</a> for today.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Torrey Peters on Strategic Opacity</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2024 19:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s craft talk—by Torrey Peters on &#8220;Strategic Opacity&#8221;— was recorded at the 2024 Tin House summer writers workshop. Peters explores the elements in works of fiction that actually don&#8217;t make sense—from William Shakespeare to Elena Ferrante —and how, paradoxically, it is these very elements, the unexplainable ones, that can make a work of art great. Given that most actual humans make nonsensical choices and can&#8217;t be fully known as people, Peters discusses how we might write lifelike characters who don&#8217;t make sense either—but in a strategic way—writing them so that they begin to feel like the real people all around us: &#8220;the friends who make strange and frustrating decisions in their worst interests, the parents who act with sudden arbitrariness, the lovers who just won&#8217;t accept the care they need and want.&#8221; Peters then looks at the ways this revelation has deeply changed her own work.</p>
<p>If you enjoy today&#8217;s conversation consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. Head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a> to learn more.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-torrey-peters-craft-talk?new-list-page=true">BookShop</a> for today&#8217;s talk, which includes many of the books mentioned.</p>
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		<title>Jewish Currents Live : Dionne Brand &#038; Adania Shibli in Conversation</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2024 13:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>As part of <em>Jewish Currents Live: A Day of Politics &amp; Culture</em>, I moderated a conversation between Adania Shibli and Dionne Brand this September in New York City. Both Dionne and Adania have been on the show individually, and part of why I was hoping to bring them together this way was because of just how unforgettable my conversations with each of them respectively were. Together we look at questions of home and belonging, nations and mapping, humans and animals, as well as at Dionne and Adania&#8217;s shared desire to write against grand narratives and to imagine an otherwise for how we might live together. We do all of this within the aura of the eleven months of genocidal assaults on Palestinian life, and how the resistance to it connects us to other struggles around the world.</p>
<p><em>Jewish Currents </em>is offering two things to entice listeners to become supporters of Between the Covers, one is a <em>Jewish Currents</em> sampler of back issues, the other is their <em>After October 7th </em>compendium of essays, poems and reports with writings by genocide scholar Raz Segal, Peter Beinart&#8217;s essay &#8220;Teshuvah: A Jewish Case for Palestinian Refugee Return,&#8221; poems by Hala Alyan, Fady Joudah and more.  To learn about these and the many other things available to choose from when joining the Between the Covers community, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-jewish-currents-live-dionne-brand-adania-shibli-conversation?new-list-page=true">BookShop</a> for today.</p>
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		<title>Isabella Hammad : Recognizing the Stranger : On Palestine and Narrative</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2024 14:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s conversation with Isabella Hammad is truly like no other on the show in its fourteen year history. The main text of her book is the speech she delivered for the Edward Said Memorial Lecture in September of 2023. A remarkable speech called &#8220;Recognizing the Stranger&#8221; which looks at the middle of narratives, at turning points, recognition scenes and epiphanies; which explores the intersection of aesthetics and ethics, words and actions, and the role of the writer in the political sphere; and which complicates the relationship between self and other, the familiar and the stranger. It does all of this in the spirit of Said&#8217;s humanistic vision, reaching for narrative forms that can best reflect Palestinian lived experiences. Hammad delivered this speech, however, nine days before October 7th. The response of Israel, and the West at large, prompted her to write an afterword, an afterword that is a third of the book entire. Hammad herself had had her own turning point, her own recognition scene, where the terms of her own analysis had irrevocably changed. The afterword reflects this change, sitting at a right angle to the speech itself. The book as a whole captures this turning point within a writer in real time, preserving the gap between two selves, and we explore both on their own terms.</p>
<p>If you enjoyed today&#8217;s conversation, consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. One possible supporter benefit to choose from is access to the bonus audio archive. Isabella Hammad has contributed an extended reading from writer and political prisoner Walid Daqqa&#8217;s letter &#8220;Parallel Time.&#8221; This letter hasn&#8217;t been published in English but it was, in 2014, adapted to the stage in Haifa under the same name. The Israeli culture ministry, in response, defunded the theater. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio, and about the many other possible rewards to choose from, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>Finally here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-isabella-hammad-recognizing-the-stranger-conversation?new-list-page=true">BookShop</a>.</p>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Frank Bidart</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Sep 2024 18:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s episode is an archival recording of poet Frank Bidart from the 2008 Tin House Writers Workshop. It begins with an introduction by the poet Brenda Shaughnessy, followed by an extended poetry reading by Frank Bidart. After the reading is a not-to-be-missed substantive and remarkable craft interview of Frank by Brenda. They look at how he approaches revision, the ways teaching students influences his own writing, and about his early years as a student of, and ultimately friend and early reader for, Robert Lowell.</p>
<p>If you enjoyed today&#8217;s conversation, consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener supporter. One possible benefit to choose from is the ever-growing bonus audio archive which includes a reading of and meditation on a Frank Bidart poem by Garth Greenwell. To learn more head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>You can also find a playlist of past conversations with some of the most iconic poets writing today, from Layli Long Soldier to Jorie Graham, Carl Phillips to Dionne Brand, at the show&#8217;s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@BetweentheCovers-DavidNaimon/featured">YouTube Channel.</a></p>
<p>Finally here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-frank-bidart-episode">BookShop</a> for today&#8217;s episode.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Nalo Hopkinson : Blackheart Man</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Sep 2024 13:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Todays&#8217; guest is Grand Master of science fiction and fantasy Nalo Hopkinson. Together we center her first novel in over a decade, the remarkable <em>Blackheart Man, </em>and look at what it means to not only write an alternate Caribbean history, but within that history conjure an entirely new culture, one with its own language, sexual norms, family and gender dynamics, and racial politics. And yet a culture that remains, for all its invented differences, deeply Caribbean. <em>Blackheart Man </em>is a book exploring the &#8220;what-ifs&#8221; in the histories of marronage (autonomous fugitive communities of escaped enslaved peoples) and of what can be recovered from the ruptures and erasures in the archive. Nalo&#8217;s latest novel becomes the lens through which we explore everything from the use of vernacular speech in one&#8217;s work to the reckonings around race that have rocked the SFF community in recent years.</p>
<p>Nalo&#8217;s appearance on the show joins many archival conversations with touchstone writers of SFF today, from Nnedi Okorafor and N.K. Jemisin to Ted Chiang and Kelly Link, from Kim Stanley Robinson and Jeff Vandermeer, to William Gibson, China Miéville and Ursula K. Le Guin. I&#8217;ve created a &#8220;Legends of Sci-Fi and Fantasy&#8221; playlist on the show&#8217;s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@BetweentheCovers-DavidNaimon/featured">YouTube channel</a> so they are easily found in one place but you can also sort for &#8220;SFF&#8221; at the show&#8217;s <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcasts/">home page</a> as well.</p>
<p>If you enjoyed today&#8217;s conversation, consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. There are an incredible number of rewards and gifts to choose from when you do. You can check it all out at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page. </a></p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-nalo-hopkinson-conversation">BookShop</a> for today&#8217;s episode.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Vajra Chandrasekera : Rakesfall</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2024 19:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Sri Lankan writer Vajra Chandrasekera&#8217;s first novel, <em>The Saint of Bright Doors</em>, was shortlisted for or won nearly every major SFF award there is. Much of the buzz around this book circled the question:&#8221;what exactly is this?&#8221; <em>Saints</em> not only didn&#8217;t fulfill the expected tropes of the genre, but seemed to be actively working against them, subverting them. Vajra&#8217;s new book <em>Rakesfall</em>, however, makes his debut, for all its innovation, seem normative by comparison. <em>Rakesfall</em> is set both in an ancient mythic past and a far distant post-human future, calling into question where the past and the future begin and end. <em>Rakesfall </em>is a book with two characters (or maybe one) who are constantly dying and being reborn, changing names, changing bodies, where it isn&#8217;t always clear who is who, or where self and other begin and end. <em>Rakesfall</em> is continually changing shape, style and form, with stories within stories within stories, a rabbit hole of stories, a wormhole of stories, where you are never sure you will ever resurface into the &#8220;real world&#8221; again. Of course, we talk about form and trope and genre, but we also talk at-length about Sri Lankan Buddhism and how, as a political force, it has woven its own story into a mythos of nation-state and race. And how this very storytelling has led to violence, from the everyday and bureaucratic to outright genocide. Vajra&#8217;s books can be engaged with and enjoyed without any knowledge of this, but the more we explore his own interrogations of Buddhist hegemony in Sri Lanka the more the subtext of his books feels central, the more his subversion of form and genre feels outright political. In one of his essays he asks &#8216;how do we write in a monstrous world?&#8217; How do we write toward liberation, toward solidarity, whatever the odds? Today&#8217;s conversation provides one great example of just that.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Vajra translates an excerpt of a story by an award-winning Sri Lankan writer, a writer who, when he posted this story on his Facebook page, was arrested and imprisoned under the accusation that the story was anti-Buddhist. Vajra translates this excerpt and reads it for us while also contextualizing why he thinks this story was seen as blasphemous. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive and the other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-vajra-chandrasekera-conversation">BookShop</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Carl Phillips : Scattered Snows, to the North</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Aug 2024 02:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s guest is one of the most singular and celebrated Anglophone poets writing today, Carl Phillips. We center his latest collection, <em>Scattered Snows, to the North</em>, his first since winning the 2023 Pulitzer prize in poetry. But we also use his three craft books written over the decades (in 2004, 2014 and 2023 respectively) to look at his body of work across time. We spend time attending to language, to syntax, to form. And equally, we look outward toward questions of voice, community, identity and more.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio, Carl contributes a reading of a medley of poems about black swans, poems by James Merrill, Randall Jarrell and Lyrae Van Clief-Stefanon, which he comments on as he goes. He ends this remarkable reading with a black swan poem of his own. You can find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio and about all the other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-carl-phillips-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s conversation.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Shze-Hui Tjoa : The Story Game</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2024 02:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s guest, Shze-Hui Tjoa, has written a book that is remarkably unique. Is it an essay collection or a memoir? A detective story or a fantasy? A journey of self-individuation or an examination of power and control? Improbably it is all of these things, and perhaps more than any of them, it is the record of a writer finding her form by breaking form, but doing so in a way that invites us into the process as it unfolds. T Kira Madden declares: &#8220;<em>The Story Game</em> introduces a major debut work from a most astounding talent. Shze-Hui Tjoa&#8217;s memoir not only challenges genre, it upends and splits it wide open. In meditations on grief, displacement, mental health, and family, Tjoa will have you wondering how and why we remember, and what we can&#8217;t forget. <em>The Story Game</em> is hypnotic, wise, and thunderously innovative. I will teach this book, I will treasure it, and I will continue to learn from its astute and hopeful insights.&#8221;</p>
<p>For the bonus audio, Tjoa contributes a 30-minute video reading of a favorite childhood picture book that she translates for us from Chinese to English. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive and to explore the other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-shze-hui-tjoa-conversation">BookShop</a> for today.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Cecilia Vicuña : Deer Book</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2024 11:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s guest Chilean poet, performance artist, visual artist, activist, and filmmaker Cecilia Vicuña, joins us to discuss her latest work, <em>Deer Book</em>, or <em>Libro Venado. </em>A bilingual collection, with translations by the acclaimed poet and translator Daniel Borzutsky, <em>Deer Book</em> brings together nearly forty years of Vicuña&#8217;s poetry and drawings surrounding the cosmologies and mythologies of the deer. Much like her work at large, <em>Deer Book </em>explores the mysteries of translation, interspecies communication, feminism, environmental destruction, the erasure and rupture caused by colonization, and the relationship between image and text, and the written word versus the oral, embodied and spoken one. We also explore how one&#8217;s relationship to language changes when one&#8217;s work emerges from a different set of epistemologies, when one writes from an indigenous and/or shamanic poetics.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Cecilia&#8217;s translator, Daniel Borzutsky, joins the show for a forty-five minute conversation to discuss the uniqueness of Cecilia Vicuña&#8217;s work, the joys and challenges of translating it, the role she has played in shifting the Spanish-language canon to include more indigenous poetics, and to discuss Daniel&#8217;s own journey as a translator, including some great anecdotes about working with another iconic Chilean poet Raúl Zurita. To find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio and about the many other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-cecilia-vicuna-interview">BookShop</a> for today&#8217;s episode.</p>
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		<title>Lance Olsen : Absolute Away &#038; Shrapnel</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2024 22:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Lance Olsen returns to Between the Covers to discuss his two new books, his uncategorizable multiverse fiction <em>Absolute Away, </em>and his new collection of philosophical essays and interviews on writing <em>Shrapnel:Contemplations. </em>Lance&#8217;s latest novel engages with the life of Edith Metzger, an improbable footnote in two momentous events in history: 1)as  the woman in the backseat of Jackson Pollock&#8217;s car on the fateful day he crashed it and ended both their lives, and 2)as  a German Jewish three-year old at the infamous Nazi book burning. When Hermann Göring mistook her for an Aryan, picking her up, little Edie bit his lip until it bled. Employing the notions of quantum physics as well as the notions of home and exile of Jacques Derrida, Lance imagines many otherwises for Edith Metzger. In this life and others. Together we explore the philosophic underpinnings of Lance&#8217;s writing, as evidenced in <em>Shrapnel: Contemplations</em>, and use his novel <em>Absolute Away</em> as the test case.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Lance contributes an extended reading from his forthcoming novel about the outsider artist Henry Darger. It&#8217;s provisional title is <em>An Inventory of Benevolent Butterflies. </em>You can find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio and all the other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community  as a listener-supporter at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>Here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-lance-olsen-conversation">BookShop</a> for today&#8217;s conversation.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Amitav Ghosh : Smoke and Ashes</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2024 13:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>For nearly twenty years Amitav Ghosh has been writing about opium and the opium trade, first in his fictional Ibis trilogy, and now in nonfiction with <em>Smoke &amp; Ashes</em>. This is a story that brings together many of the preoccupying themes from Ghosh&#8217;s career: the legacies of colonialism and extractive colonial economies, the intelligence of plants and the ways plants are actors and agents within history, and the strategies that can be gleaned from the story of opium in today&#8217;s battle to address climate change. But given that he has now engaged with the opium trade in both nonfiction and fiction, we also discuss another of his interests: the factors that led to the rise of realism in fiction, that shaped and defined what we.call the literary novel today. It turns out what shaped the realist literary novel are the same forces that have led to our opium and fossil fuel addiction, and we look at both.</p>
<p>If you enjoyed today&#8217;s conversation,  consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. There are innumerable potential benefits and rewards of doing so. You can explore them all at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>Lastly, here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-amitav-ghosh-conversation">BookShop</a>.</p>
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		<title>Joyelle McSweeney : Death Styles</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2024 19:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s guest, <span class="TextRun SCXW76224206 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="none"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW76224206 BCX0">poet, playwright, novelist, translator, publisher, editor and critic, Joyelle McSweeney discusses her latest poetry collection <em>Death Styles. </em>She talks about the juxtaposing of &#8220;death&#8221; and &#8220;style&#8221; and the seam to the underworld that opens when you do, about style <em>as</em> survival, about writing after and into death, about eyes that spill Art, and ears that make sound, about poetry, performance, prophecy and more. We also do a deep dive into McSweeney&#8217;s aesthetics and poetics as exemplified by her landmark book of eco-criticism <em>The Necropastoral: Poetry, Media, Occults.</em></span></span></p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive, McSweeney contributes an almost twenty minute incredible performance from her libretto <em>Pistorius Rex, </em>her operatic and Oedipal reimagining of the trial of Oscar Pistorius (the double-amputee Olympic athlete who murdered his girlfriend). This joins bonus audio from many past guests, from Douglas Kearney to C.A. Conrad to Jorie Graham. To find out about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the other possible benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-joyelle-mcsweeney-conversation">BookShop</a> for today&#8217;s conversation.</p>
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		<title>Danielle Dutton : Prairie, Dresses, Art, Other</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Apr 2024 19:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>One might ask, just what <em>is</em> Danielle Dutton&#8217;s latest book, <em>Prairie, Dresses, Art, Other? </em>A collection of stories, a philosophical essay, a sequence of nested dreams and memories, an act of loving citation, a one-act play of silent animals, a meditation on the human in the more-than-human world, on the end of the world, on writing, on reading, on visual art, on black holes, on subterranean forests and the landscapes inside us? Somehow, as we leap from one section to the next, from Prairie to Dresses to Art to Other, this book is about all of these things and much more. And yet, mysteriously, magically, improbably it all holds together as one. Everything echoing off of and deepening everything else. We talk about finding form, about creating work that best reflects the unique and weird way one sees the world, about the generative power of making the world strange again, about opening spaces in fiction, and writing into them.</p>
<p>Many of the people mentioned today, from Bhanu Kapil to Sabrina Orah Mark to Caren Beilin have contributed readings to the bonus audio archive when they themselves were guests on the show. The bonus audio archive is only one possible benefit of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. You can find out how to subscribe to it and all the other resources and rewards available at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Lastly, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-danielle-dutton-conversation">BookShop</a> for today&#8217;s conversation.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Alexis Wright : Praiseworthy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Apr 2024 12:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s guest is one of the most important and celebrated writers in Australia today, Alexis Wright. We look together at the ways Wright reshapes the novel form to honor Aboriginal notions of story, of time, and of scale. To find a different sound and voice for the novel, one that is multiple and collective. both ancestral and visionary, one that invites us to walk back into relationship with other beings and the land itself, and shows us where we are headed when we don&#8217;t. Her latest novel <em>Praiseworthy </em>is set in a world like ours, of extreme weather events, of unchecked white supremacy, of the inexorable pull toward assimilation, erasure and  the demanding present-tense of the internet. But the book is also one of aboriginal invention, adaptation, and vision, a novel of both biting humor and wisdom, as people, in the face of it all, search for Aboriginal sovereignty.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Alexis reads a favorite poem of hers by Bei Dao which joins an immense archive of supplemental material—readings, craft talks, long-form conversations with translators—from everyone from Layli Long Soldier to Dionne Brand, Naomi Klein to Richard Powers. You can find out more about the bonus audio archive and the many other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthcovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-alexis-wright-conversation">Bookshop</a> corresponding to today&#8217;s episode.</p>
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		<title>Nam Le : 36 Ways of Writing a Vietnamese Poem</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Over the past fifteen years, Nam Le has published a book in each genre. Best known for his phenomenal 2009 debut story collection <em>The Boat, </em>he followed it with his 2019 debut nonfiction <em>On David Malouf, </em>and now, this year, his debut poetry collection <em>36 Ways of Writing a Vietnamese Poem</em>. What is remarkable about these three books, is how, in a way, they are three different strategies aimed at the same goal—how to avoid the flatness and fixity of representation of identity, how to create enough elbow room, to push back against the assumptions, presumptions and expectations that come with one&#8217;s identity, and assert one&#8217;s sovereignty as a writer. Nam has suggested that <em>36 Ways of Writing a Vietnamese Poem </em>could be viewed as one long poem<span class="NormalTextRun SCXW98634111 BCX0">, one poem that consists of many stand-alone poems, but where each individual poem, through your encounter with it, affects, changes, and deforms all the others, and the </span><span class="FindHit SCXW98634111 BCX0">long</span><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW98634111 BCX0">er </span><span class="NormalTextRun AdvancedProofingIssueV2Themed SCXW98634111 BCX0">poem as a whole</span><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW98634111 BCX0">. We look at his three books in a similar spirit, looking at each through the vantage point of the others, to see what we discover about questions of identity, representation and art-making as we do.</span></p>
<p>If you enjoy today&#8217;s conversation consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. To find out about all the possible benefits and rewards of doing so, from the bonus audio archive to the Tin House Early Reader subscription, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-nam-le-conversation">BookShop</a>.</p>
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		<title>Anne de Marcken : It Lasts Forever and Then It&#8217;s Over</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2024 01:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Writer, interdisciplinary artist, editor and publisher Anne de Marcken discusses her new book <em>It Lasts Forever and Then It&#8217;s Over</em>. Winner of the Novel Prize, and thus published simultaneously in the U.S., U.K., and Australia, by New Directions, Fitzcarraldo Editions and Giramondo respectively, de Marcken&#8217;s new book is a deeply philosophical and metaphysical, heartbreakingly funny book about life and death, love and loss. Join our undead protagonist, in search of herself, as she loses one body part after another, yet fills herself with one thing after another. How much can we lose and still be ourselves? How much of our sense of self is built from what we&#8217;ve lost? How much of who we are is really &#8216;other&#8217;? Perhaps the crow inside her chest, dead but communicative, speaking human words but not a human language, can tell us.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive, Anne contributes a reading from her book <em>The Accident: An Account</em>, which joins supplemental readings from everyone from Dionne Brand to Jorie Graham, Natalie Diaz to Christina Sharpe. To find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-anne-de-marcken-conversation">BookShop</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Canisia Lubrin : Code Noir</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2024 05:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Award-winning poet Canisia Lubrin talks about her debut fiction, <em>Code Noir. </em>The fifty-nine stories in this collection are each prefaced by one of Louis XIV&#8217;s fifty-nine &#8220;Black codes,&#8221; the rules of conduct in France and its colonies regarding slaves and slavery. And each of these codes, each of these edicts, is also engaged with, manipulated and remade by the abstract artist Torkwase Dyson. Together they unmake history, unmake the edicts, one in language and one with a brush. Canisia tells stories that are as short as a line, or told in footnotes, or that take place one thousand years in the future. Stories that remake other stories, and stories that aren&#8217;t stories at all. And ultimately, through storytelling, Canisia asks us how we place ourselves in relation to the stories we&#8217;ve inherited, the histories which themselves are fictions, and in the ways she herself does and doesn&#8217;t engage with the codes, she enacts a different way of living, sounding a future for Black life.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Canisia reads from Dionne Brand&#8217;s upcoming book <em>Salvage: Readings from the Wreck</em>, from Christina Sharpe&#8217;s remarkable &#8220;What Could a Vessel Be?&#8221; and more that I will leave as surprise. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the many other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>Finally here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-canisia-lubrin-conversation">BookShop</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Diana Khoi Nguyen : Root Fractures</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2024 00:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s conversation, with poet and multimedia artist Diana Khoi Nguyen, is not to be missed. Both of her books, <em>Ghost Of</em> and <em>Root Fractures</em>, engage with and are shaped by her brother&#8217;s absence and the family silence surrounding it. Two years before his suicide, her brother quietly removed the family photos from their frames on the walls, carefully cut himself out of each photo, and returned them to their frames without him. The redacted photos remained on the walls like this for years before and after his death. In different ways, Diana&#8217;s books write into and around the empty space that her brother left in these images, and in her family. We talk about her process of radical eulogy, the ways her work outside of language informs her poetry, how she uses photography—redacted by her own sibling—as a form and constraint in her work, about ghosts and hauntings, rivers and bees, about the Vietnamese declarative and the English subjunctive, about alternate lives not-lived and future ones that might be.</p>
<p>One of the topics we cover today is how Diana constructed and crafted <em>Root Fractures </em>as a book, distilling a manuscript of over 200 pages of words and images to a book half that size. For the bonus audio archive Diana discusses this further and reads from some of the body-shaped poems that didn&#8217;t make it into the final manuscript, and yet were part of it coming into being. To learn more about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-diana-khoi-nguyen-conversation">Bookshop</a> with not only Diana&#8217;s books but many of the books mentioned today. Everyone from Eliot Weinberger and Jenny Erpenbeck to Bhanu Kapil and Victoria Chang.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Álvaro Enrigue : You Dreamed of Empires</title>
		<link>https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/alvaro-enrigue-you-dreamed-of-empires/</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2024 04:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s conversation with Álvaro Enrigue about his latest novel, <em>You Dreamed of Empires, </em>translated by Natasha Wimmer, is set during the relatively undocumented first encounter between Moctezuma and Hernán Cortés. The novel dilates the knife&#8217;s edge moment when the Aztec emperor invites the conquistador, with his small band of Spanish soldiers, into the palaces of Tenochtitlan as guests. We talk about writing into the gaps of history, fiction&#8217;s influence on the &#8220;official&#8221; record, histories that are actually fictions, and how writing into erased or distorted histories can be a way to speak to the present moment. We talk of hornless deer, ritual cannibalism, psychedelic tomatoes, and a surprising influence of the indigenous cultures of the Americas on all of our lives today.</p>
<p>If you enjoyed today&#8217;s conversation, consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. Find out about all the potential gifts and rewards of doing so at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-alvaro-enrigue-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s episode with all the books, fiction and nonfiction, literary and scholarly, that we reference today.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Mathias Énard : The Annual Banquet of the Gravediggers&#8217; Guild</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2024 02:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Is Mathias Énard&#8217;s latest book formally influenced by the Buddhist Wheel of Time, by Jewish undertaker guilds, by François Rabelais&#8217;s scatological and philosophical prose and linguistic wordplay, by Catholic altarpiece polyptych panel paintings, and by the scandalous diaries of a Polish anthropologist?  <em>The Annual Banquet of the Gravediggers&#8217; Guild</em> is dedicated to <em>les pensées sauvages, </em>to the wild thinkers, and today&#8217;s conversation is an exploration of Énard&#8217;s latest wild book, and of wild thinking itself.</p>
<p>If you enjoy today&#8217;s conversation consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. There are many potential benefits and rewards of doing so. You can find out about them all at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>In the spirit of Énard&#8217;s latest book and our conversation about it, today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-mathias-enard-conversation">Bookshop</a> is just as wide-ranging—with classics of anthropology, Buddhism, modern Arabic and French literature, and of course, Énard&#8217;s own books as well.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Denis Johnson : 2003</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2024 02:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>We are kicking off the new year with a serious blast from the past. A recording from the very first Tin House writers workshop in the summer of 2003 with novelist, short story writer, poet, playwright, and screenwriter Denis Johnson. This three-part episode includes a remarkable reading from Johnson&#8217;s novella <em>Train Dreams, </em>an interview of Johnson by writer Chris Offutt that is an unforgettable exploration of a writer&#8217;s process and philosophy, and finally, after Denis takes a cigarette break, Johnson, Offutt and Charles D&#8217;Ambrosio perform the first act of Johnson&#8217;s play <em>Psychos Never Dream.</em></p>
<p>Books by all three of today&#8217;s writers can be found in this episode&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-denis-johnson-episode">Bookshop</a>. And you can find out more about all the potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Elle Nash : Deliver Me</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2023 22:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it is fitting that today&#8217;s episode, with writer and founding editor of <em>Witch Craft Magazine</em>, Elle Nash, is launched on the shortest day of the year, the longest night of darkness. Nash&#8217;s new novel <em>Deliver Me </em>explores the ways society tries to keep the light and the dark separate, to hide our unasked questions and forbidden desires in the shadows. Nash&#8217;s writing insists on bringing them uncomfortably together and we explore what it means to transgress in one&#8217;s writing, to risk oneself on the page, to write dangerously and with a burnt tongue. Whether engaging with motherhood under capitalism, industrial animal slaughter, or cross-species kink, <em>Deliver Me</em> leads us into the darkness, crosses the borders of the acceptable, and then looks back at the well-lit world to see it anew.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Elle reads the opening of Elizabeth V. Aldrich&#8217;s <em>Ruthless Little Things. </em>To find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio, and about the countless other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-elle-nash-conversation">Bookshop</a>.</p>
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		<title>Naomi Klein : Doppelganger : Part Two</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2023 02:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s part two of the conversation with Naomi Klein about <em>Doppelganger </em>highlights the Jewish elements in the book, and looks at them through the lens of Palestine and Israel. We discuss Zionism, Marxism, and the Jewish Labor Bund&#8217;s notion of &#8220;hereness.&#8221; We look at the battles over the definition of antisemitism and the ways accusations of antisemitism have been weaponized to silence legitimate political speech. And together, as two people who&#8217;ve both been involved in Jewish activism in relation to Palestinian solidarity, we take stock of the current upsurge in organizing, direct action, and civil disobedience on the Jewish Left in relation to Palestine.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Naomi reads for us from Philip Roth&#8217;s <em>Operation Shylock</em>, a book that features prominently in her book. She reads a letter that fake Philip Roth (his doppelganger) writes to the real Philip Roth. It is not to miss. To find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive and explore the other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-naomi-klein-part-two-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s conversation, full of the books we reference but also additional books by Palestinian authors on the topics we discuss today.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Kate Zambreno &#038; Sofia Samatar : Tone</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2023 14:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In Kate Zambreno &amp; Sofia Samatar&#8217;s <em>Tone </em>they construct a shared voice, that of the &#8220;Committee to Investigate the Atmosphere.&#8221; Yes, they do this to investigate tone, in the writings of everyone from Nella Larsen to Clarice Lispector, W. G. Sebald to Franz Kafka, Renee Gladman to Bhanu Kapil. But in chasing the ever-elusive notion of tone, discovering its relational and atmospheric qualities, Zambreno &amp; Samatar end up troubling the notion of selfhood and the individual, and in doing so, they trouble the notion of literary form as well. <em>Tone </em>becomes an investigation not just of tone, but of the collective, of the communal, of the collaborative, and reveals the ways all writing is collaboration.</p>
<p>In the spirit of their collaboration they have created a wonderfully robust 40-minute call &amp; response contribution for the bonus audio archive. One where Kate discusses and reads from works important to their project (everything from Bhanu Kapil&#8217;s <em>How to Wash a Heart</em> to Renee Gladman&#8217;s <em>Calamities</em>) and after each reading/meditation by Kate, Sofia responds with a reading of her own, speaking to Kate&#8217;s reading through her choices (from Nella Larsen&#8217;s <em>Quicksand</em> to writing by H. Bustos Domecq, the pseudonym of the collaborative writing of Borges and Casares). The bonus audio archive is only one possible benefit of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. Every supporter gets the resource email with each episode and can join our collective brainstorm of who to invite on the show going forward. And then there are many other things to choose from as well, from the bonus audio to the Tin House Early Reader subscription. You can check it all out at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Lastly, because <em>Tone</em> is engaging with and indebted to so many books, this is the largest <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-kate-zambreno-sofia-samatar-conversation">Bookshop</a> ever!</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore : Touching the Art</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2023 23:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore returns to Between the Covers to talk about her remarkable new book, <em>Touching the Art</em>. A mixture of memoir, biography, criticism, and social history, <em>Touching the Art </em>is above all a complicated love letter to Mattilda&#8217;s grandmother, abstract artist Gladys Goldstein. Through an exploration of Mattilda&#8217;s love for Gladys&#8217; art, <em>Touching the Art </em>becomes a book about so many things—women in abstract expressionism, queer identity and homophobia, structural racism and white flight, antisemitism and Jewish assimilation into whiteness, family gaslighting and middle class norms, and dreams and visions of solidarity and liberation both in the world of art and in the world.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive, Mattilda contributes a reading of the first chapter of their future book <em>Terry Dactyl. </em>To find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio and about the many other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>And here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-mattilda-bernstein-sycamore-conversation">Bookshop</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Bhanu Kapil : Incubation : A Space for Monsters</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2023 13:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Bhanu Kapil&#8217;s postcolonial feminist road novel <em>Incubation: A Space for Monsters </em>has long been out of print. The book of hers that most engages with the mythos and reality of America, <em>Incubation</em> follows Laloo, a British woman of Indian descent, who arrives in the US to give birth to a monster. This fictional story parallels Bhanu&#8217;s own arrival in the United States, a move that was meant to be a permanent one, a leaving behind of England forever. And yet, now, as <em>Incubation </em>has a second renewed life in the US and arrives for the first time in the UK, Bhanu herself is, decades later, living again in England. We talk about questions of migration, immigration, home, hospitality, performance, ritual, memory, family, and gendered, racialized, and institutional violence, in light of Bhanu&#8217;s own return to the place she thought she never would. &#8220;What is a monster?&#8221; is a question that animates this book and animates our conversation today. How do monsters relate to writing and form, to identity and belonging, and to Bhanu&#8217;s own writing and teaching? We talk about all this and more.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Bhanu contributes an extended reading for us: of Annie Ernaux, Eunsong Kim, Kate Zambreno, Sofia Samatar, and recent writings from Bhanu&#8217;s own notebook. To find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-bhanu-kapil-conversation">Bookshop</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Colleen Burner : Sister Golden Calf</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2023 03:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Colleen Burner&#8217;s novella <em>Sister Golden Calf </em>is the story of two sisters on the road set in a world without men. Inspired, in part, by Vanessa Veselka&#8217;s essay &#8220;Green Screen: The Lack of Female Road Narratives and Why it Matters,&#8221; <em>Sister Golden Calf </em>by its very existence interrogates the road novel tradition it now becomes a part of. As Leni Zumas says: &#8220;In shiveringly beautiful prose, Colleen Burner maps a wild voyage into grief, love, and radical forms of kinship. Their novel unstitches the fixed seams of self and stranger, inviting us to touch the peculiar, precise commotions that link one creature to another. A truly extraordinary book.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you enjoy today&#8217;s conversation, consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. Find out all the potential rewards and benefits of doing so at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-colleen-burner-conversation">Bookshop</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Kate Briggs : The Long Form</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2023 05:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Essayist and translator Kate Briggs&#8217; first novel <em>The Long Form</em> is a book about, and happening within, the relationship between Helen and her infant daughter, Rose. What does making a novel baby-centric, not a novel about babies, but where the baby is a main character, a vital actor that shapes the story that unfolds, that shapes the experience of time and duration, what does that do to the novel? And what does it tell us about the history of novels, of the biases baked into the ways we traditionally tell stories? What gets considered worthy of characterization and why? What is considered dramatic or utterly banal, and what are the implications of these long-standing sensibilities? <em>The Long Form </em>meditates deeply on what a novel is thanks to baby Rose. And invites us to do so alongside her.</p>
<p>If you enjoyed today&#8217;s conversation, consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. Every supporter gets the resource-rich email with each episode and can participate in shaping who comes on the show going forward and there are many other potential rewards and gifts to choose from. You can check it all out at the show&#8217;s <a href="https://www.patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>And here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-kate-briggs-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s conversation.</p>
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		<title>Lydia Davis : Our Strangers</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2023 15:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s conversation with Lydia Davis about her latest story collection, <em>Our Strangers, </em>a collection of 143 stories, is a deep dive into storytelling. These stories, whether incredibly short or quite long, often eschew backstory, exposition, context, or psychological interiority. Sometimes they even comment on other stories within the collection, or revise themselves, becoming something else entirely. Regardless of their length or style, they often raise the questions &#8220;is this a story?&#8221; and &#8220;if it isn&#8217;t a story, what is it?&#8221; In that spirit, you could consider today&#8217;s conversation a deep dive into poetry (syntax and the poetics of the sentence), into nonfiction (the ways autobiographical and found materials are incorporated into her fiction), and into translation as well. And all along the way, we get to hear Lydia read her singular stories of varying shapes and styles.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive, Davis contributes a discussion of the work of Swiss writer Peter Bichsel and then reads one of her translations of his stories. If you enjoyed today&#8217;s conversation consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. There are a wealth of potential benefits and rewards of doing so, including the bonus audio archive. You can check it all out at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>Finally, here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-lydia-davis-conversation">Bookshop</a>.</p>
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		<title>Naomi Klein : Doppelganger : Part One</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2023 06:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Naomi Klein&#8217;s new book, <em>Doppelganger, </em>is a departure for her. One some of her closest friends even cautioned her against. On the one hand, it is what we&#8217;ve come to expect from Klein, a brilliant framing, through the coining of new language, of our current political moment. And yet <em>Doppelganger</em> is decidedly more personal, more vulnerable, more inward-looking than her previous books. And not only does it have a strain of a more literary nonfiction running through it, it also centers literature and the ways the literary history of doubles and doppelgangers can help us make sense of the doubling we are encountering in our lives—whether fake news narratives for everything from COVID to climate change; or AI; or the avatars that we create to represent us on social media; or the friends we&#8217;ve lost to what Klein calls &#8220;the mirror world&#8221; since the pandemic, over vaccines and masks. And the new political terms she is engaging with, from sacrifice zones to shadowlands, are deeply relevant to the choices we make as writers and art-makers as well. And writers from China Miéville to Kim Stanley Robinson are some of the many luminaries singing <em>Doppelganger</em>&#8216;s praises.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Naomi reads for us from Philip Roth&#8217;s <em>Operation Shylock, </em>a book that features prominently in her book. She reads a letter that fake Philip Roth (his doppelganger) writes to the real Philip Roth. It is not to miss. To find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive and explore the other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-naomi-klein-conversation">Bookshop</a> corresponding to today&#8217;s episode.</p>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Matthew Zapruder on Story of a Poem</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>You could say that Matthew Zapruder&#8217;s <em>Story of a Poem </em>is about the revision of a poem, that it follows the life of one poem, from its first phrase to its final draft, and invites us, in the most mesmerizing way, behind the curtain of the creative process of composition. And you wouldn&#8217;t be wrong. But really it is also the story of the revision of the poet as well, a revision of the stories that make up his own sense of self, that situate him in the world. When his son is diagnosed with autism many of the things that Zapruder had organized his own sense of identity around—a facility and quickness with language to name but one—were called into question. To show up as the father he wanted to be for his son, to truly see him on his own terms, he had to revise his notion of himself. He had to find a new form of being. Zapruder&#8217;s new book is also a new form, part prose, part poetry, and is the story of this journey, one that looks at how a poem comes to be, how the poet enters a place that is provisional by welcoming a certain unknowingness, as a guide toward doing the same for himself. <em>Story of a Poem</em> is about poetry and story, revision and self-becoming, coming together and coming undone, and more than anything about building a world where the people and things you most love can thrive.</p>
<p>If you enjoy today&#8217;s conversation consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. Find out about the many possible benefits and rewards of doing so at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Major Jackson : Razzle Dazzle</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2023 04:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Poet and host of the <em>The Slowdown</em> podcast Major Jackson joins us to talk about <em>Razzle Dazzle</em>, his collection of new and selected poems that captures two decades in the life of a poet. Last year Major also released a book his selected prose, <em>A Beat Beyond</em>, his meditations on poetry and its relation to music, to race, to selfhood, to inheritance and community. We place these two career-spanning works side by side, prose and poetry, and explore them together in today&#8217;s conversation. We look back across his work, considering how his poetry and his thoughts on poetry have evolved over the years, and what looking back does to moving forward. It&#8217;s a conversation that looks at identity, voice, and the mysteries of selfhood, at multiple ways of evoking the ecological and nonhuman within ones work, at fraught questions of race and nation, and at questions of influence, lineage, and reaching across difference.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Major Jackson introduces us to and contributes a reading of John Ashbery&#8217;s &#8220;More Pleasant Adventures&#8221; which joins readings from so many iconic contemporary poets, from Dionne Brand to Layli Long Soldier, Arthur Sze to Rosmarie Waldrop. The bonus audio is only one potential benefit of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. Find out about all the possible benefits and rewards at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-major-jackson-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s episode with many of the books mentioned, from Sonia Sanchez to Evie Shockley, Mei-mei Berssenbrugge to Brenda Hillman. And of course the books by Major himself.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>JoAnna Novak : Contradiction Days</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2023 02:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Five months pregnant, fearful of the future, and creatively blocked, JoAnna Novak becomes obsessed with the life, writings, and paintings of Agnes Martin. She fashions a three-week intensive writing regimen in northern New Mexico, where Martin lived and painted (and where Novak writes this book we discuss today). The structure of this retreat is inspired by Martin&#8217;s 6&#215;6 gridded abstract paintings that so appealingly keep out the clutter of life, and by Martin&#8217;s life philosophy—her notions of &#8220;positive freedom&#8221; and her pursuit of inner perfection. Because of this, today&#8217;s conversation becomes a dual exploration of both Novak&#8217;s own artistic journey and that of Martin&#8217;s. In addition, we look at the various ways Novak uses constraints and experimental techniques as part of her writing practice, about the different ways she has portrayed pregnancy in her poetry versus her prose, about writing into the unspoken stigma of prenatal depression, and much more.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive JoAnna contributes a reading of the children&#8217;s picture book <em>Mr. Rabbit and the Lovely Present, </em>written some sixty years ago by Charlotte Zolotow, illustrated by Maurice Sendak, and loved by JoAnna&#8217;s now four-year-old son. The bonus audio archive is only one potential benefit of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. You can find out about all the potential rewards and benefits of doing so at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>And here is the link to today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-joanna-novak-conversation">Bookshop</a>.</p>
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		<title>Jorie Graham : To 2040</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2023 05:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Jorie Graham&#8217;s first appearance on the show in 2021, to discuss her collection <em>Runaway</em>, is one of the most relistened to episodes in the show&#8217;s history, a conversation that, with each revisitation, seems to reveal something new about how to will oneself into presence as an artist and as a human. And it is a conversation that many other guests on the show since have told me is now part of their syllabi at the universities where they teach. And yet as rich and deep as it was, even after those many substantive hours spent together, there was still so much left to explore about Jorie Graham&#8217;s poetics, which makes her return to <em>Between the Covers</em>, to discuss her latest collection, <em>To</em> <em>2040</em>, particularly exciting. Both of these conversations are stand-alone episodes, and yet, I think to fully grasp Jorie&#8217;s poetics, both conversations are necessary to do so, as they approach her body of work from opposite vantage points. Whereas the first explores how to be present to and embodied before one&#8217;s life and one&#8217;s art, the second looks at how to make art, and to live an embodied life within a deeply and increasingly disembodied world. Today&#8217;s conversation is about the body—the body in relation to self and other; the body politic in relation to truth, fact, and shared reality; and the body that is the planet we call home. The body in relation to the virtual, the body in relation to language, and how to find a language in a world where we&#8217;ve lost our way.</p>
<p>The last time Jorie was on the show she contributed a remarkable bonus reading of several poems about rain (by Robert Creeley and Edward Thomas). The bonus audio archive, which includes bonus readings from everyone from Alice Oswald to Arthur Sze to Layli Long Solider to Dionne Brand, is one of many potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. To find out more head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthcovers">Patreon page</a>. Lastly, here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-jorie-graham-conversation">Bookshop</a> with many of the books mentioned today.</p>
<p>photo credit: Alvaro Almanza</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Nana Kwame Adjei-Brenyah on Surrealism</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2023 13:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s craft talk, &#8220;Why So Surrealism&#8221; by Nana Kwame Adjei-Brenyah, was recorded at the 2022 Tin House Summer Workshop. Prompted by a journalist who asked him to talk about how surrealistic and speculative conceits operated in and informed Black fiction, in this craft talk Adjei-Brenyah looks at the tropes of surrealist and speculative fiction within his own work, at not only what effects they have, but what they open up for him as a writer. Adjei-Brenyah is the bestselling and critically-acclaimed writer of the story collection <em>Friday Black </em>and the dystopian novel <em>Chain-Gang All-Stars</em>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Roger Reeves : Dark Days</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2023 23:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Poet Roger Reeves calls the essays in his debut book of prose &#8220;fugitive essays.&#8221; And we explore what it means to write fugitively, to write into and from and toward fugitivity. If, as Fred Moten says, fugitivity is &#8220;a desire for and a spirit of escape and transgression of the proper and the proposed. . . . a desire for the outside, for a playing or being outside, an outlaw edge proper to the now always already improper voice or instrument,” how does writing fugitively effect a writer&#8217;s orientation to self and selfhood, to one&#8217;s own community and people, to nation and nationhood, to the canon and canon formation, to otherness and the stranger, to life and living in the ever-unfolding apocalypse? We look together at what a poet writing essays tells us both about the essay form and about Roger&#8217;s poetry and poetics. Deep dives into questions of time, progress, repetition, metaphor, history, ancestry, futurity, presence, sound, and silence.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive, Roger contributes an extended reading from Palestinian writer Ghassan Kanafani&#8217;s novella <em>Return to Haifa. </em>This joins an ever-growing archive of supplemental audio from everyone from Natalie Diaz to Dionne Brand, Isabella Hammad to Christina Sharpe. You can find out more about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the many other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>The <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-roger-reeves-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s episode contains many of the books mentioned, referenced, or read from.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Isabella Hammad : Enter Ghost</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2023 14:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Isabella Hammad&#8217;s latest book <em>Enter Ghost</em> is about a Palestinian theater group attempting to put on a production of <em>Hamlet</em> in the West Bank. The actors come from many different Palestinian experiences, one to the next. Some have Israeli citizenship. Others live in refugee camps or Ramallah or in the diaspora in Europe. But why <em>Hamlet</em>? We look at the unique history of this play within the Arab world, its history of being both performed and banned, but also at how the very act of striving to create a shared performative space, while living under occupation, is a political act in and of itself. Today&#8217;s conversation covers many things, from writing against essentialism to the revolutionary potential of art-making.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Isabella contributes a reading of a prison letter that Palestinian political prisoner Walid Daqqa wrote twenty years into his still-ongoing incarceration. This letter, called &#8220;Parallel Time,&#8221; was adapted for the stage in 2014 and performed in Haifa. The theater that performed it was then defunded by the Israeli government, threatening its ability to continue as a theater (a topic we discuss in the main conversation). Daqqa&#8217;s letters have yet to find publication in English. This translation is by Dalia Taha. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive and the other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-isabella-hammad-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s episode.</p>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Max Porter on Shy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2023 13:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Even though each of Max Porter&#8217;s books is a stand-alone book, some have called<em> Grief Is the Thing with Feathers</em>, <em>Lanny</em>, and his latest, <em>Shy</em>, a &#8220;trilogy of boyhood,&#8221; a framing Max himself embraces. After a truly electrifying short reading from <em>Shy, </em>Max and I explore his impulse to examine and evoke boyhood across these three books and how his choices on the page engage with the crisis that is contemporary masculinity. We talk about fatherhood and parenting, the extra-literary influences on his writing, whether comics or music or visual art, about the mythic and the wild in relation to the human and language, and much more. Today&#8217;s conversation was recorded live in Portland, Oregon, at the downtown location of Powell&#8217;s Books in May of 2023.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t miss Max&#8217;s <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/max-porter-lanny/">first appearance on the show</a> in 2019 for his book <em>Lanny. </em>Back then, Max contributed a reading of a poem of his to the bonus audio archive. The singer-songwriter Joan Shelley had reached out in admiration of his books. They began a correspondence (which eventually resulted in some of his words becoming lyrics to her songs) and part of that correspondence included this poem he wrote for her. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive and the other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Lastly, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-max-porter-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s episode.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Megan Fernandes : I Do Everything I&#8217;m Told</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2023 04:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Spareness, economy, and distillation are often put forth as obvious virtues in poetry. But what if there were a politics undergirding this aesthetic preference? In today&#8217;s conversation with poet Megan Fernandes we look at questions of poetics and aesthetics in relation to capitalism and colonialism and how a messier, more unruly poetics can trouble borders and boundaries—of self, of nation, of species. We talk about questions of home and belonging, community and solidarity, how we might create kinship across difference both on the page and in one&#8217;s life, creating a sense of shared living through a poetics of diaspora and dislocation. We also talk about time and how to live, love, and create art within an ongoing crisis. Personal, poetical, and geopolitical, this is a conversation not to miss.</p>
<p>If you enjoy today&#8217;s conversation consider joining the Between the Covers as a listener-supporter. Find out about all the potential rewards and benefits of doing so at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Johanna Hedva : Your Love Is Not Good</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2023 05:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>What if you gave your fictional main character all of your own biographical details and family history but had them, at every point, choose &#8220;wrong&#8221;? At every point do the thing you yourself would be against? Johanna Hedva does just that, and their novel <em>Your Love Is Not Good</em> is not just full of sex battles and high-stakes art openings, but also high-stakes moral quandaries. Set in the institutional art world of museums and galleries, <em>Your Love Is Not Good</em> looks at making art (and love) under capitalism, at a mixed-race Korean American painter striving for universality (and whiteness) and yet wanting to be authentic, to build community and solidarity. When forced to choose, where and with whom will she stand?</p>
<p>Johanna Hedva is also a musician and a performance artist. And their contribution to the bonus audio archive is one of the most unique ones ever, and one created specifically with us in mind. After we recorded this conversation they went on book tour and, while traveling from city to city, recorded themselves moaning, grunting, screaming, and breathing; recorded themselves reading text they wrote while touring. They then sent all these voice files to LA audio engineer Henry Glover along with the voices of the universe itself: sonifications of a black hole and the helix nebula, raw audio of the sun, a field recording of the aurora borealis. Hedva explained to Glover the vibe and scenario they imagined as he mixed and mastered a layering of voices, personal and &#8220;universal,&#8221; into this unique track: &#8220;The Saddest Thing of All Is When a Lone Astronaut Falls in Her Suit—Who Is There to Help Her Up?&#8221; To learn about how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive and the many other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>The <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-johanna-hedva-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s episode.</p>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Katie Holten on The Language of Trees</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2023 13:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In Early Medieval Ireland there was a language called Ogham that was sometimes referred to as the &#8220;Celtic Tree Alphabet'&#8221; because its letters each corresponded to and depicted a different tree. At one point Ireland, now one of the most deforested countries in Europe, was largely covered in forest, its culture deeply entwined with the life of trees. Irish visual artist Katie Holten has created a new contemporary tree alphabet, gathered the voices, thoughts, poems, and meditations of some of the great thinkers about trees and the natural world, and translated their writings into &#8220;tree.&#8221; A book of image and a book of text, the wisdom of Ursula K. Le Guin and Richard Powers, Ross Gay and Robert Macfarlane, Amitav Ghosh, Robin Wall Kimmerer, Ada Limón, and many more, is transformed into tree language as they each, in their own way, evoke the complex beings that are trees, and argue, as Richard Powers does, that &#8220;this is not our world with trees in it. It&#8217;s a world of trees, where humans have just arrived.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you enjoy today&#8217;s conversation consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. Find out about all the potential rewards and benefits of doing so at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Tin House Live: Richard Powers on The Overstory</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Back in 2019, when Richard Powers was a guest on Between the Covers for <em>The Overstory</em>, we also appeared together that very same night, in conversation again. This time, an onstage ticketed event at Revolution Hall before a live audience. I&#8217;ve wanted to share this second conversation ever since. Not only because I prepared two distinctly different interviews, but also because this was Powers&#8217; first visit to Oregon for <em>The Overstory, </em>a book not merely set in the Pacific Northwest but one that deeply engages with the longstanding history of forest defense in the region on behalf of the last remaining stands of old growth forest. Because Powers hadn&#8217;t been to Portland for his hardback or paperback tours and had since won the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction for this very book, and because of the deep connection the Portland community has to the stories within this novel, the atmosphere was electric at this sold-out event, overflowing with anticipation, excitement, and joy. I&#8217;m so happy to be able to now share this with you and want to thank Richard Powers, W. W. Norton, and Powell&#8217;s Books, the host of the event, for making that possible. And whether or not you&#8217;ve heard the <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/richard-powers-the-overstory/">podcast conversation</a> that aired with Powers in 2019, it is a great complement to today&#8217;s episode. Two conversations on the same day, one with just Richard and me, the other celebrating the book in community, quite different in tone and content and yet interwoven and speaking to each other.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive, Richard contributes a reading of an incredibly moving  W. S. Merwin poem about trees, which joins Jorie Graham reading poems by others about rain, Kaveh Akbar reading about worms, Forrest Gander reading poems about lichen, and much more. The bonus audio is only one possible benefit of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. You can find out about them all at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>. Lastly, here is today&#8217;s very tree-centric <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-richard-powers-conversation">Bookshop</a>.</p>
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		<title>Melanie Rae Thon : As If Fire Could Hide Us</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2023 05:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Melanie Rae Thon&#8217;s latest book, <em>As If Fire Could Hide Us</em>, is described not as a novel with three chapters, nor as a collection of three stories, but as &#8220;a love song in three movements.&#8221; What does it mean to see a story as song, to sing from or toward love, to experience a book&#8217;s phases not as sections but as movements? How does writing from or toward love change the music of our sentences or lines, the shapes of our stories, the way we represent others—whether other people or other nonhuman beings? Thon suggests a relationship between attention and attentiveness and this question of love. By quoting Simone Weil, who says, &#8220;Attention, taken to its highest degree, is the same thing as prayer. It presupposes faith and love. Absolutely unmixed attention is prayer,&#8221; Thon speaks to what she calls the &#8220;ethics of perception,&#8221; that we can avert our eyes or risk compassion, in our lives and on the page. A conversation that is as much about living as writing, and one that speaks as deeply to questions of poetry, music, silence, spirit, and yes, love, as it does to story.</p>
<p>In today&#8217;s conversation Melanie also speaks generously about her approach to the teaching of writing. In that spirit she offers to all Between the Covers supporters two of her teaching documents, &#8220;Memory &amp; Adventure&#8221; and &#8220;The Gospel of Grief, Grace, and Gratitude.&#8221; In addition, for the bonus audio archive she gives a craft talk of hers called &#8220;The Ethics of Perception.&#8221; This joins craft talks from Marlon James (&#8220;The Nine and a Half Rules of Seduction&#8221;) and Jeannie Vanasco (&#8220;How to Write Memorable Lines&#8221;) as well as readings by everyone from Teju Cole to Lance Olsen, Carmen Maria Machado to Jenny Offill. You can find out about all of this and the many other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-melanie-rae-thon-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s conversation.</p>
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		<title>Christina Sharpe : Ordinary Notes</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2023 13:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>There may be no writer, no thinker, who has shaped my conversations on the show more than Christina Sharpe. Whether her work is explicitly part of a conversation (in episodes with Ross Gay, Solmaz Sharif, Natalie Diaz, and Dionne Brand, to name a few) or whether her thought and vision provide a foundation and subtext for one (conversations as wide-ranging as those with Viet Thanh Nguyen, Monica Youn, Claire Schwartz, Cristina Rivera Garza, and Charif Shanahan), Sharpe&#8217;s scholarship has been a crucial part of some of the most dynamic conversations on the show. Her work has always been more than academic work however. It has always been a hybrid, scholarly and literary, visual and textual, personal and structural. But her latest book, <em>Ordinary Notes, </em>is the most personal to date, and among the many things it could be considered (John Keene suggests it combines memoir, memorial, literary criticism, and political and cultural critique) is as a love letter to Sharpe&#8217;s mother and how she cultivated and nourished, in the face of all the brutalities of our world, an atmosphere of Black life, Black art, and Black thought within their home. Of how she pursued, in Christina&#8217;s words, &#8220;beauty as a method.&#8221; This is a rare book that will work on you if you work your way through it. <em>Ordinary Notes</em> is both generous and challenging, envisioning an elsewhere and otherwise of shared risk and care.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Christina contributes readings from Dionne Brand&#8217;s <em>The Blue Clerk, </em>Victoria Adukwei Bulley’s <em>Quiet, </em>and Canisia Lubrin&#8217;s forthcoming <em>Code Noir. </em>These join bonus material from everyone from Nikky Finney to Layli Long Soldier. And the bonus material is only one of many potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. Find out more at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-christina-sharpe-conversation">Bookshop</a> is the largest and deepest yet, with Christina&#8217;s books, of course, but also with many of the Black writers and thinkers and artists that she has been shaped by or writes alongside.</p>
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		<title>Ngũgĩ wa Thiong&#8217;o : The Language of Languages</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s guest, novelist, storyteller, essayist, playwright, scholar, translator, and perennial front-runner for the Nobel Prize in Literature Ngũgĩ wa Thiong&#8217;o, is an iconic figure in postcolonial thought. His latest book, <em>The Language of Languages, </em>is the first book dedicated to his writings on translation and the status of African languages, globally and in Africa today, a topic that is quite personal for him, and central to his writing life. During his year in a maximum security prison in the Kenya of the 1970s, he decided to stop writing his novels in English and wrote his fifth novel, <em>Devil on the Cross</em>, on squares of toilet paper in Gikuyu, his mother tongue. Ngũgĩ suspects that he wasn&#8217;t jailed simply because he wrote and put on a play that was critical of the Kenyan government (his recent novels in English had been just as critical of the government) but because it had been written and performed in Gikuyu. Thus, every novel he has written since, he has written in Gikuyu, and then later translated into English himself. You would be right to think that writing in one&#8217;s mother tongue should be the most natural and obvious thing to do. And yet the obstacles to doing so continue to be immense and speak to larger questions around the status of the African continent today and postcolonial Africa&#8217;s relationship to its colonial past. Today we look at the histories and legacies within languages as well as the power dynamics between them, and how collapsing the hierarchies between languages is crucial to doing the same geopolitically, that the beginnings of true sovereignty begin with our languages.</p>
<p>If you enjoy today&#8217;s episode consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. Every supporter gets the resource-rich email with each episode with things referenced during the conversation in question as well as places to explore once you&#8217;ve finished listening, and there are many other potential benefits to choose from. These include the bonus audio archive with readings from everyone from Dionne Brand to Layli Long Soldier; the Tin House early readership program, receiving twelve books over the course of a year months before they are available to the general public; rare collectibles from past guests; and more. You can check it all out at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-ngugi-wa-thiong-o-conversation">Bookshop,</a> full of the books we mention today.</p>
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		<title>Charif Shanahan : Trace Evidence</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2023 14:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Early in poet Charif Shanahan&#8217;s latest collection, <em>Trace Evidence</em>, we encounter the lines: &#8220;I want to ​tell you what for me it has been like. // To speak at all / I must occupy a position // In a system whose positions / I appear not to occupy.&#8221; How does one connect to others, be seen and heard by others, make art about oneself in language, when language itself does not capture one&#8217;s identity, when the available categories do not describe your life, when one&#8217;s identity is defined by its instability or uncategorizability?  Today&#8217;s conversation looks at complex intersections between Arabness and Blackness, between North Africa and North America, between a mother&#8217;s self-conception and a son&#8217;s very different one, and the ways different legacies of race—historically, geopolitically—can ripple through the most intimate of spaces, within a family, between lovers, before one&#8217;s therapist, among one&#8217;s peers. Shanahan&#8217;s very particular journey around finding a language, a poetics, that can more fully evoke his embodied life experience tells us all something about the construction of self more generally, about the relationship of language to self-making, and about what possibilities the ways we are categorized, or categorize ourselves, either open up or foreclose.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Shanahan contributes a reading of a long excerpt from what will be his next book, a polyvocal, epistolary project called <em>Dear Whiteness. </em>In addition, <em>Mizna</em>, the journal of Arab American art, literature, and culture, has also contributed copies of issues related to today&#8217;s conversation, or which might be of particular interest to listeners of the show, for new supporters of the show. These are only two of many possible benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener supporter. You can find out more at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>Finally here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-charif-shanahan-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s episode, with Charif&#8217;s books but also books by everyone from Safia Elhillo to Chouki El Hamel.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Sabrina Orah Mark : Happily</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2023 13:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s guest is poet, storyteller, and now essayist Sabrina Orah Mark. Her latest book, <em>Happily: A Personal History—with Fairy Tales</em>, is an intriguing blend of two radically different forms, memoir and fairy tale. Much as fairy tales are feral, forever escaping a simple, reductive meaning, forever changing shape and being retold, forever out of fashion and always enduring, ancient and contemporary at the same time, Sabrina&#8217;s essays refuse to be only essays, somehow becoming fairy tales themselves. Our conversation about this essay collection is about fiction, fantasy, memoir, and poetry, about childhood, motherhood, and step-motherhood, and how they all magically coexist in the alchemy of Sabrina&#8217;s prose. Ultimately these tales, these surreal dreams, are not ways to look away from the world, but ways to be in it, to cope, confront, and engage with the unimaginably difficult, whether the raising of two Black Jewish boys in the United States today, unspeakable ancestral rupture, a global pandemic and climate apocalypse, or the anxieties and uncertainties of the everyday. <em>Happily</em> takes our hands to walk into the forest together.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Sabrina contributes a reading of the Bruno Schulz story &#8220;Birds.&#8221; This joins a vast archive of material from Jai Chakrabarti reading poems by Bruno Schulz&#8217;s biographer, the Polish poet Jerzy Ficowski, to Jen Bervin reading the letters of Paul Celan, to Rosmarie Waldrop reading Edmond Jabès or Alice Oswald reading from the Book of Job. This is one of many possible benefits to joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. You can find out about them all at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Monica Youn : From From</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2023 05:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In today&#8217;s conversation with poet Monica Youn we explore what it means to write from a poetics of difference rather than of authenticity, a poetics of deracination rather than identity. Youn&#8217;s latest poetry collection <em>From From </em>engages with the history of anti-Asian violence in the United States but is always conscious of the ways this violence is situated structurally, of the racial triangulation of Asian Americans, of how, in Dorothy Wang&#8217;s words, &#8220;there’s no way to talk about Asian immigrants or the Asian American experience as separate from the Black American experience or the Indigenous experience or the Latinx experience because of the relation to whiteness.&#8221; <em>From From</em> engages with everything from Greek mythology (and the construction of the Greek self in relation to the Asian other) to the 1992 L.A. uprising and the murder of Latasha Harlins by Soon Ja Du. And ultimately with what it means to call a place &#8220;home&#8221; that never seems to see you as part of its history, that is always asking &#8220;but where are you from from?&#8221;</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Monica contributes the reading of two electrifying long poems. The first, &#8220;A Guide to Usage: Mine,&#8221; was commissioned by the <em>Boston Review</em> for the anthology <em>Poems for Political Disaster </em>(a book conceived in response to the election of Donald Trump). The second is a draft of a poem, one that hasn&#8217;t yet fully come together (and which she has never shared before), but was originally meant to be part of the series of magpie parable poems in the new collection. Partially inspired by the landmark 1948 Supreme Court case Shelley v. Kraemer, which abolishes racially-restrictive housing covenants, this never-before-seen poem is called &#8220;Parable of the Magpie&#8217;s Nest.&#8221; To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive (which includes readings from everyone from Victoria Chang to Nikky Finney, from Ada Limón to Dionne Brand), and about the many other potential rewards and benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-monica-youn-conversation">Bookshop</a>.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2023 05:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s conversation with novelist and story writer Jai Chakrabarti is unusually wide-ranging, touching on everything from classical Indian aesthetics to Jewish ritual, from poetry to cognitive science, from Tagore&#8217;s plays to Buber&#8217;s philosophy, from sublimating the self to writing the other. Chakrabarti&#8217;s new story collection, <em>A Small Sacrifice for an Enormous Happiness, </em>engages with complex questions of class, gender, race, religion, and nationality, particularly in relation to families and family making, and the tensions between our individual dreams and the countervailing realities of the people we share lives with and among. We discuss questions of story shape, characterization, point of view, and the role of the reader in order to look deeply at how to tell such stories in ways that feel nuanced, lived, and embodied.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Jai reads two poems by the Polish poet and translator (and biographer of Bruno Schulz) Jerzy Ficowski. The epigraph to Jai&#8217;s novel comes from one of them, and the second poem is dedicated to the memory of Janusz Korczak (who we discuss quite a bit in the main discussion). To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio and about the many other potential benefits and rewards from joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter, head over the the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Mariana Enriquez : Our Share of Night</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s guest, Argentinian novelist, short story writer, and journalist Mariana Enriquez has been called the queen of Latin American gothic horror. She is in the vanguard of a generation of Latin American women writers breaking new ground in the horror genre. We look at the ways her work extends Argentina&#8217;s long and storied tradition of fantastical literature, but, even more, we look at the remarkable ways her writing departs from it, the ways Anglophone horror writers have inspired her to write an Argentinian horror that is similarly place-based, that comes up from the land and the events that happened on it (and still haunt it today), that engages with the stories, customs, rituals, fears, and politics of the place where the story is set. We also talk about her assertion that Latin America, while it has a long and deep history of fantastical literature, as well as a few examples of horror, doesn&#8217;t, in her mind, have what amounts to a horror tradition, and she theorizes about why England and the U.S., by contrast, have such a deep engagement with horror as a genre.</p>
<p>We talk not only about horror in relation to place and literary tradition, but also horror in relation to gender, and the gothic in relation to gender. About the role of women as characters in the horror genre and about the new wave of Latin American women writers attracted to horror as a lens through which to create their work. We also talk about the politics and aesthetics of portraying violence, and how her work does and does not map itself in relation to the brutal dictatorship she grew up under and which is the setting of her new novel, her first in English, <em>Our Share of Night.</em></p>
<p>Many writers get mentioned and discussed in this conversation, from Jorge Luis Borges to Stephen King to Ursula K. Le Guin, but I want to mention one writer who we discuss several times, the Mexican writer Fernanda Melchor. Melchor&#8217;s <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/fernanda-melchor-hurricane-season/">past appearance on the show</a> to discuss her book <em>Hurricane Season </em>is the perfect pairing with today&#8217;s episode with Mariana.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive, we&#8217;ve added a long-form conversation with Mariana Enriquez&#8217;s translator Megan McDowell. There is also a long-form conversation with Megan from when Alejandro Zambra was on the show as well. They make a great pairing as Megan was translating both of their books simultaneously during the first years of the pandemic and she makes some revelatory comparisons between their books, and between Chilean and Argentinian literature in relation to the fantastic and the real. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive and about the many other potential rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener supporter, head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>Finally here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-mariana-enriquez-conversation">Bookshop</a>.</p>
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		<title>Gabrielle Bates : Judas Goat</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2023 05:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s conversation is with poet, visual artist, editor, and podcast host Gabrielle Bates. The poems in Bates&#8217; debut poetry collection <em>Judas Goat </em>feel both personal and mythic, violent and tender, human and much more than human, with an effect that haunts the reader long after closing the book. They also have a fascinating relationship to story, and by extension to time, and to the image and the mysterious relationship between words on the page and images in our minds. In her own words Bates describes <em>Judas Goat</em> as follows: &#8220;Within the book I see a woman wrestling her various hauntings: the specter of sexual violence, anxieties around attachment and marital commitment, motherlessness, queerness, Biblical figures, education, her reliance on (and distrust of) the visual. What haunts the speaker of <em>Judas Goat</em> most is what she’s been taught, how she’s been trained.”</p>
<p>For three lucky new supporters of Between the Covers, Gabrielle Bates is offering two 30-minute poetry consultations and an annotated advance copy of <em>Judas Goat, </em>containing anecdotes about the poems, background about them, and the poet&#8217;s own inside scoop about how they came to be written. These are only a few of many possible rewards and gifts for joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. The bonus audio archive (with contributions from everyone from Jorie Graham, Dionne Brand, Nikky Finney, Layli Long Soldier, Alice Oswald, and more), the Tin House early readership subscription, collectibles from everyone from Ama Codjoe to Ursula K. Le Guin and much more. You can check it all out at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>And here is today&#8217;s episode&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-gabrielle-bates-conversation">Bookshop</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Georgi Gospodinov : Time Shelter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2023 15:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s guest, Bulgarian novelist, storyteller, poet, essayist, and more, Georgi Gospodinov, is the perfect writer to bring in the new year. Gospodinov is a writer obsessed with beginnings and endings, with time, history, imagination, and memory. A writer raised on the stories of his grandmother, on the fantastical tales of Márquez and Borges, on the notion that stories themselves can not only comfort and console, but sometimes save a life. His latest novel, <em>Time Shelter</em>, translated by Angela Rodel (who is part of today&#8217;s conversation), is about the comforts and dangers of the past, of nostalgia, and what happens to a country, to a world, when the future feels canceled and we look backward for somewhere to live. As Bulgarian translator Izidora Angel said in her review of the book: &#8220;Beneath the book&#8217;s speculative façade, it&#8217;s also clear the author is meditating on his own legacy as a man of words within it. Real, bloody conflict exists but something else is eating away at us too—a critical depletion of empathy, a critical mass of meaninglessness, as Gospodinov has called it, and it is the job of writers to counter these metaphysical but no less real dangers. Words are time shelters too—living, breathing portals to memory, experience, and history, archives and blueprints all at once.&#8221;</p>
<p>For subscribers to the bonus audio archive, there is a supplementary interview with Georgi&#8217;s translator, Angela Rodel, about the questions and conundrums of translation that arose with <em>Time Shelter</em>, about how Gospodinov&#8217;s work is distinct within Bulgarian literature, and about her own artistic pursuits beyond translation, from starring in Bulgarian films and television to performing in a Bulgarian folk-rock band and more. This joins other long-form conversations with translators of other previous guests including Megan McDowell translating Alejandro Zambra, Ellen Elias-Bursać translating Dubravka Ugrešić, and more. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-georgi-gospodinov-conversation">Bookshop</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Lucy Ives : Life Is Everywhere</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2022 19:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Novelist, short story writer, poet, and critic Lucy Ives&#8217; new novel <em>Life Is Everywhere</em> has been heralded by some of our most formally inventive and playful writers today, from Jesse Ball to Alejandro Zambra to Percival Everett. No wonder as <em>Life Is Everywhere, </em>a book that contains other books, is hard to categorize. Some have called the structure like that of Matryoshka dolls but its inspiration comes directly from an essay by Ursula K. Le Guin called &#8220;The Carrier Bag Theory of Fiction,&#8221; an essay that reaches toward a different future for the novel. In Ives&#8217; book we  spend just as much time reading the things inside our protagonist&#8217;s bag as we do with the protagonist herself. At any moment what we are reading might seem like a #MeToo novel, a book of fictional history, a book of real history, a fantastical adventure of magical statuary, an autofiction, or a &#8220;systems novel,&#8221; one that looks at how individuals act and are acted upon within structures and institutions, whether a marriage or a university. As Percival Everett says &#8220;If Lucy Ives is as smart as her novel <em><span class="a-text-italic">Life Is Everywhere</span></em>, then I am in complete awe. . . . How many books in one and yet one book. This is great writing.” And Jesse Ball aptly adds about this erudite and sly invention, Ives &#8220;slays enemy and friend alike.&#8221;</p>
<p>For the bonus audio Lucy Ives contributes a reading of a five-part writing exercise called &#8220;Exercises for Writing from Memory.&#8221; This joins contributions from writers as varied as Ted Chiang, N.K. Jemisin, Dionne Brand, Arthur Sze, Max Porter, and more. To learn about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the other many potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-lucy-ives-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s conversation.</p>
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		<title>Crafting with Ursula: Neil Gaiman on Word Magic &#038; The Power of Telling Stories</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2022 05:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Who better to talk about the unique power of telling stories than one of our great contemporary storytellers, Neil Gaiman? One deep way Neil Gaiman and Ursula K. Le Guin are kindred spirits is how they both share an abiding interest in the strange, uncanny relationship between truth and fiction, truth and myth, the imagination and the real, the fantastic and reality, and the ways we seem hardwired, from childhood onward, to be adept at finding the enduring truths within stories that others have &#8220;made up.&#8221; Today&#8217;s conversation, as the final one in the Crafting with Ursula series, serves a double purpose. Yes, we do a deep dive into word magic, into the power and purpose of creating and telling stories, into the spells they weave and why. But we also celebrate Le Guin, the intelligence and music of her words, her spells, by having Neil Gaiman, one of the most mellifluous and recognizable narrative voices today, read excerpts of Le Guin&#8217;s work for us, from <em>A Wizard of Earthsea</em> to <em>The </em><em>Lathe of Heaven</em> to <em>Always Coming Home</em>.</p>
<p>Whether you&#8217;ve been following the <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/th_podcast_cat/crafting-with-ursula/">Crafting with Ursula</a> series from the beginning, or whether Neil Gaiman is what brought you here for the first time, don&#8217;t miss the many other science fiction and fantasy conversations within the main Between the Covers show. You can go to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://tinhouse.com/podcasts">homepage</a> and sort the archive for &#8220;SFF&#8221; and not only find the three conversations with Ursula K. Le Guin herself, but also conversations with many others including Ted Chiang, Jeff VanderMeer, N.K. Jemisin, China Miéville, Nnedi Okorafor, William Gibson, Sofia Samatar, Neal Stephenson, Marlon James, Jo Walton, Kelly Link, Daniel José Older, David Mitchell and more.</p>
<p>If you enjoyed today&#8217;s conversation consider transforming yourself from a listener to a listener supporter. Each supporter receives a resource-rich email with each episode, can join our collective brainstorm, our collective dreaming of who to invite as future guests, and there are a wide variety of other possible benefits from the bonus audio archive to rare Le Guin collectibles. Check it all out at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-neil-gaiman-crafting-with-ursula-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s conversation.</p>
<p>photo credits: William Anthony (Le Guin), Beowulf Sheehan (Gaiman)</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Sawako Nakayasu : Pink Waves</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2022 14:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Of Sawako Nakayasu&#8217;s many literary endeavors—poetry, translation, performance art—it is hard to know where one begins and another ends. They each seem to not only be talking to each other but Sawako&#8217;s work also blurs the boundaries between them, nesting each within the next in a way that illuminates something about all three. Her latest poetry collection, <em>Pink Waves, </em>is a perfect example of this, poetry written within a durational performance, one that involves &#8220;microtranslations&#8221; of the syntax of the works of others. As Fred Moten says about <em>Pink Waves</em>: &#8220;In a deliberate lyricism of regathering, tethering, and receding precedence, in a perpetual canon that keeps spilling and sifting and replenishing what feels like dancing, in a series of breaks weaving wave and snap into writing that listens, Sawako Nakayasu takes the measure of the enjoyment we derive from sensing and making sense of this wasteland of bandwidth and access. <em><span class="a-text-italic">Pink Waves</span></em> is a delicate instrument. Its spare beauty picks up everything.&#8221;</p>
<p>Much of Sawako Nakayasu&#8217;s genre-transgressive work calls into question our notions of originality and selfhood, as she herself explores questions of race and gender and sexual orientation within her poems. By bringing together these various elements, Sawako Nakayasu creates generative questions: How can queer theory speak to translation practices? How can we engage with questions of power between nations and languages and cultures by the choices we make in translation? What does performance tell us about ourselves, and the notion of a self to begin with? And how do these performative and translational activities manifest in poetry, in poems?</p>
<p>If you enjoy today&#8217;s conversation consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. Each patron receives a resource-rich email with each episode and can participate in the collective brainstorm of who to invite in the future, and choose from a wealth of other rewards and gifts from rare collectibles to writing consultations.  There is also the possibility of subscribing to the bonus audio archive which includes contributions from such luminary poets as Rosmarie Waldrop, Forrest Gander, Dionne Brand, Natalie Diaz, Nikky Finney, Arthur Sze, Layli Long Soldier, and many more. Check it all out at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t miss today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-sawako-nakayasu-conversation">Bookshop</a>!</p>
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		<title>Ama Codjoe : Bluest Nude</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2022 00:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On Seeing and Being Seen&#8221; is the title of an Ama Codjoe poem but it<em> </em>could just as easily be a description of her debut collection <em>Bluest Nude</em> as a whole. <em>Bluest Nude</em> is a book that engages with ways of seeing, and its poems often engage with visual art—poems that look at art forms made outside of language but with language, poems that look at how artists look when making art. But more principally <em>Bluest Nude</em> is engaged with looking at how the Black female figure has been (mis)represented in art and asking how a Black female poet can write a poetry that claims a sovereign point of view, that reclaims a Black female subjectivity much as Lorraine O&#8217;Grady and Simone Leigh, two of the artists she engages with in her collection, have done in their own work in performance and visual art. These questions of how we see and how we are seen, both by others and by ourselves, call into question notions of selfhood, and the mysteries of how we construct a self, something that only happens in engagement with others, how they see us, how we see them seeing us.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Ama Codjoe presents us with three different strategies to write ekphrastic poetry, poetry that engages with visual art. And much like Dionne Brand did when she contributed readings of forthcoming work from 2023 books by Canisia Lubrin and Christina Sharpe, Ama first reads and discusses a poem by Evie Shockley from her forthcoming collection <em>suddenly we</em>, then she reads one of her own poems, and finally she ends with a long poem by Terrance Hayes from his forthcoming collection <em>So to Speak. </em>To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the many other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a> to check it all out.</p>
<p>Here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-ama-codjoe-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s episode.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Crafting with Ursula : Gabrielle Bellot on The Power of Names &#038; Naming</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2022 06:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Writer and editor Gabrielle Bellot joins Crafting with Ursula to discuss the power of names and naming across Le Guin&#8217;s work. From the very beginning, with Ged in Earthsea, a boy-wizard who is named in three very different ways, names have contained both power and an elusive mysterious quality for Le Guin. The ways names can both honor, connect, and reflect something true, or reduce, dismiss, and cause harm speak to deep questions about both language and identity. These are topics Bellot explores in her own writing, both about others—from Edward Gorey to Neil Gaiman, James Baldwin to J.K. Rowling—as well as about her own identity as a multiracial transgender writer from the Commonwealth of Dominica. We take Le Guin&#8217;s interest in class, gender, and race down to the level of the sentence and look at the many different ways she has explored names and naming across novels and stories as a means within language to both address the world and listen to it, to both hear the world and speak a new world into being.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s episode of Crafting with Ursula might be most in conversation with <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/crafting-with-ursula-becky-chambers-creating-aliens-alien-cultures/">the first episode</a> of the series with Becky Chambers, on creating aliens and alien cultures. For one, we return again to explore the world of <em>The Left Hand of Darkness</em>, but we also return to vital questions, as writers, and simply as people, around the importance of how we describe &#8220;the other,&#8221; &#8220;the stranger,&#8221; the person or being who we feel is not like ourselves, and what that description, what the names and words we choose, say about us.</p>
<p>If you enjoy today&#8217;s conversation, and Crafting with Ursula more generally, consider joining the community of listener-supporters. You can check out all the many potential benefits of doing so at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.  Finally here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-gabrielle-bellot-crafting-with-ursula-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s episode.</p>
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		<title>Hélène Cixous : Well-Kept Ruins</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2022 14:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s guest is poet, novelist, playwright, feminist theorist, literary critic, and philosopher Hélène Cixous. Perhaps best known for her iconic 1976 essay &#8220;The Laugh of the Medusa,&#8221; Cixous thought for much of her writing life that she would never write about her birthplace and childhood in Algeria, that she would never write about her mother, that she would never write about, let alone go to, the German town of Osnabrück from which her mother and mother&#8217;s mother escaped (to Algeria) before the town&#8217;s entire Jewish population were murdered. But in the last thirty years, to her surprise, these have increasingly become the topics of her work. First writing about and returning to Algeria, and then, in the last twenty years, writing an increasing number of remarkable books about Osnabrück, her mother&#8217;s life there, her mother&#8217;s return to that city, Cixous&#8217; &#8220;return&#8221; to it, as well as about her mother&#8217;s ultimate expulsion, the second of her life, now from Algeria. We focus today on two of these books, these novel-memoirs: <em>Well-Kept Ruins</em> and <em>Osnabrück Station to Jerusalem.</em></p>
<p>This strain of Cixous&#8217; work, her novel-memoirs, are not books of autofiction like we&#8217;ve come to know them. Yes, they blur the boundaries between fiction and nonfiction but they are as concerned with the borderlands between the conscious and unconscious, waking life and dreams, between history and memory, and literature, imagination and experience, where the present moment in one of these narratives is likely to be inhabited, at the same time, by the seen, the imagined, the dead, and the literature one has read. In her latest book Cixous describes writing as a form of archaeology, historical and literary and ancestral, yes, but I think we could say it is also a psychological archaeology as well, a relation of the writer to her writing and herself.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s contribution to the bonus audio archive is a long-form conversation with Cixous&#8217; longstanding translator Beverley Bie Brahic. It is an in-depth conversation about the pleasures and challenges of translating Cixous&#8217; work that also, additionally, further illuminates Cixous as a person and writer, adding further texture and nuance to the main conversation with Hélène. To learn how to get access to the bonus audio and the other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-helene-cixous-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s episode.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Billy-Ray Belcourt : A Minor Chorus</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2022 04:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Poet Billy-Ray Belcourt has already transformed the memoir form, remaking it—strange, fresh, and new, in <em>A History of My Brief Body. </em>He does something similarly unexpected with his first novel, <em>A Minor Chorus. </em>Deeply aware of the history of the novel, of the sociopolitical forces that shaped what we consider a novel today, a form whose limitations, according to Belcourt, can&#8217;t accommodate the reality of an indigenous queer life, this novel is both about the searching for a new form (and a new way of living) and a very example of it. Scholarly and sexual, joyful and citational, embodied and theoretical, <em>A Minor Chorus</em> is somehow a polyvocal narrative of self-making (and unmaking), written for the future, that arrives to us, a new form, as if from the future.</p>
<p>If you enjoy today&#8217;s conversation consider joining the Between the Covers community of listener-supporters. Receive the resource-rich email with each episode, participate in the collective brainstorm of who to invite in the future, and check out the many possible gifts and rewards at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-billy-ray-belcourt-conversation">Bookshop</a> with all of Belcourt&#8217;s books and most of the books mentioned today, from Saidiya Hartman to José Esteban Muñoz to Judith Butler.</p>
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		<title>Crafting with Ursula : Maria Dahvana Headley on Feminist Translation &#038; Classical Retellings</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2022 23:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>One of Le Guin&#8217;s lesser known but lifelong practices was that of a translator. Her translations of the first Latin American Nobel Prize Laureate in literature (and the only Latin American woman to receive the award), Gabriela Mistral, were the first truly substantive presentations of her work in both English and Spanish. She&#8217;s translated other poets and novelists from Chile and Argentina (Angélica Gorodischer, Diana Bellessi), as well as individual poems by Rilke and Goethe. And for many decades she worked on her now much beloved rendition of Lao Tzu&#8217;s <em>Tao Te Ching. </em>Le Guin also reread the <em>Aeneid</em> in Latin as part of her preparation to write her final novel, <em>Lavinia</em>, Le Guin&#8217;s retelling of that classic epic of Virgil&#8217;s but from the point of view of a voiceless woman in the original. There were many feminist choices and considerations that went into both how Le Guin translated and who she chose to translate. That is also true of today&#8217;s guest Maria Dahvana Headley who has done both a contemporary feminist retelling of <em>Beowulf</em> in her novel <em>The Mere Wife </em>and who has also translated, to much critical and public acclaim, <em>Beowulf</em> itself, engaging with both the masculinity in the original and the misogyny inserted by various male translators over the centuries. She, like Le Guin, has also engaged with the <em>Aeneid. </em>Her ten-part musical adaptation of the epic is forthcoming. Together, we look at questions of feminist translation in both Maria and Ursula&#8217;s work and explore multiple theories on why Le Guin&#8217;s novels inspire many of today&#8217;s woman writers engaging with classical texts.</p>
<p>If you enjoyed today&#8217;s conversation consider joining the Between the Covers/Crafting with Ursula community by becoming a listener-supporter of the show. Receive resource-rich emails with each episode, joining the collective brainstorm of who to invite in the future, and choose from a wide and deep selection of potential rewards and gifts, including rare Le Guin collectibles. Check it all out at the show&#8217;s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally here is today&#8217;s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-maria-dahvana-headley-crafting-with-ursula-conversation">Bookshop</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Dionne Brand : Nomenclature — New and Collected Poems</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2022 12:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest Dionne Brand, to borrow the words of John Keene, “is without question one of the major living poets in the English language.<span class="TextRun SCXW159135835 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="none"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW159135835 BCX0">”</span></span> Kamau Brathwaite called Brand <span class="TextRun SCXW159135835 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="none"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW159135835 BCX0">“</span></span>our first major exile female poet.<span class="TextRun SCXW159135835 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="none"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW159135835 BCX0">”</span></span> Adrienne Rich described her as <span class="TextRun SCXW159135835 BCX0" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="none"><span class="NormalTextRun SCXW159135835 BCX0">“a cultural critic of uncompromising courage, an artist in language and ideas, and an intellectual conscience for her country.” Dionne Brand</span></span> is, as well, a celebrated and beloved novelist, essayist, filmmaker, editor, activist, and thinker. But today, with the release of the landmark work <em>Nomenclature: New and Collected Poems</em>, which gathers eight volumes of her poetry between 1982 and 2010, and includes a new book-length poem never before published, today we center her poetry, and look at why she considers herself a poet first and foremost. What does stepping back together, and looking at her body of work across the decades, tell us about her poetry over time? How is time itself related to her deep engagement with Black life and liberation in her writing? How does Brand employ language as a means to gesture toward an otherwise, an elsewhere, in order to both write toward a future and from a future time?</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Dionne Brand contributes readings from two of the most-anticipated releases of 2023, a reading from poet Canisia Lubrin’s fiction debut <em>Code Noir</em> and a reading from Christina Sharpe’s <em>Ordinary Notes. </em>This joins a robust archive of supplemental material from Nikky Finney reading from Lorraine Hansberry’s diaries to Myriam Chancy reading and teaching from a passage of Jamaica Kincaid’s to a craft talk on the art of narrative seduction by Marlon James. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the other potential benefits of joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter head over to the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally here is today’s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-for-dionne-brand-conversation">Bookshop</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Elaine Castillo : How to Read Now</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2022 05:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“White supremacy makes for terrible readers” says today’s guest Elaine Castillo, arguing that we are all overeducated in a set of fundamentally terrible reading techniques, ones that impoverish us as readers and thinkers, ones that diminish the availability of meaning and meaningfulness in our lives. When Castillo says “read,” and suggests that how we read needs a reevaluation, she is indeed talking about books. But not only. “How to read” extends to what we watch—television, movies, the news—to how we read our histories, and ultimately to how we read the world. What if we aren’t really reading in the true sense at all? And what would a real reading practice, one that is not extractive but one that itself endows meaning, what would it do for us as readers, or as writers or art-makers or activists, and most importantly, as thinking and feeling people in the world? Join Elaine Castillo as she challenges us to re-vision reading.</p>
<p>If you enjoy today’s conversation consider joining the Between the Covers community. Every supporter, regardless of level of support, gets resource-rich emails with each episode, and can participate in our collective brainstorm around what future guests we should invite on the show. There are also a wealth of gifts, rare collectibles, the bonus audio archive, and more available to choose from.  You can check it all out at the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon</a> page.</p>
<p>Here is today’s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-elaine-castillo-conversation">Bookshop</a> too.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Crafting with Ursula : Lidia Yuknavitch on The Carrier Bag Theory of Fiction</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2022 13:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s conversation is about one of Ursula K. Le Guin’s most iconic and influential essays: The Carrier Bag Theory of Fiction, an essay that deserves an entire episode to itself. And who better to discuss it than Lidia Yuknavitch, whose latest novel <em>Thrust </em>follows a character who herself is a “carrier.” Because this essay has influenced not only an incredible number of  writers but anthropologists, visual artists, filmmakers, performance artists, scholars, and musicians as well, we weave in the voices of others, across disciplines, as we talk about and unpack this work of Le Guin’s. The Carrier Bag Theory of Fiction interrogates questions of labor and economy, and interrogates gender in relation to inherited story forms, and looks at the power of story, both to tell and to silence. Le Guin’s essay is her way to reimagine the shape of a story, to dethrone the hero to allow many less familiar and stranger stories to find their way. And she invites us all in to figure it out with her.</p>
<p>If you enjoy the Crafting with Ursula series consider transforming yourself from a listener to a listener-supporter. Every supporter gets a resource-rich email with each episode chock full of things referenced in the conversation and things discovered in preparing for it. But there are a ton of other goodies, from rare Le Guin collectibles to the book Ursula and I did together, <em>Ursula K. Le Guin: Conversations on Writing</em>, and much more. You can check it all out at the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>And lastly, here is today’s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-lidia-yuknavitch-crafting-with-ursula-conversation">Bookshop</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Claire Schwartz : Civil Service</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2022 07:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Claire Schwartz’ poetry collection <em>Civil Service </em>looks at the ways ordinary, everyday actions uphold and sustain state violence, the ways civility can and does serve extraordinary atrocities. The world of this collection, populated by civil positions—The Accountant, The Archivist, The Curator, The Intern—also has within it a fugitive voice, a disruptive voice, the voice of Amira. Her voice, if not beyond language, nevertheless reaches to its edges, reaches beyond the dominant meaning-making of the system that precludes her, reaches toward and imagines an elsewhere and an otherwise. Our conversation ranges widely, weaving Claire’s thoughts on her own work with the writings of Paul Celan, June Jordan, Gwendolyn Brooks, Edmond Jabès, Dionne Brand, and many others. All in service of asking what it means to write poetry towards love and revolution.</p>
<p>Claire also contributes a reading of Edmond Jabès to the bonus audio archive. Joining an ever-growing wealth of supplemental material, from Alice Oswald reading from the Book of Job to Jen Bervin reading from the letters and prose of Paul Celan and then one of her poems under his influence. The bonus audio is only one of many potential rewards of becoming a listener-supporter and joining the Between the Covers community. You can check out everything at the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Lastly, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-claire-schwartz-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today’s conversation</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Morgan Talty : Night of the Living Rez</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2022 06:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Morgan Talty’s collection of linked short stories is set on the Penobscot Reservation on Indian Island in Maine. But Morgan is quick to point out that these stories are not Penobscot stories in so far as they do not ‘represent’ the Penobscot people, that even people who are praising the book are often falling into this trope of “exoticized foreknowledge.” As we talk about his acclaimed debut fiction collection, we talk about this term (coined by David Treuer), about the problematic ways people often come to literature written by Native Americans, and the ways Talty himself subverts these expectations. We talk about symbols in stories, about the challenges of being the sole well-known Penobscot fiction writer, about writing in a way that does not perform indigeneity for the white gaze and much more.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Morgan contributes a reading of his essay “The Citizenship Question : We the People” which extends our discussion from the main conversation about blood quantum, Native identity, and questions of belonging. This joins an ever-growing archive of supplementary bonus audio, including from indigenous writers Terese Marie Mailhot, Elissa Washuta, Brandon Hobson, Natalie Diaz, Layli Long Soldier, and Jake Skeets, among many others. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive and about the many other potential rewards and benefits of joining the community of Between the Covers listeners-supporters, head over to the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Crafting with Ursula : Julie Phillips on the Writing Mother</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Ursula K. Le Guin’s biographer, Julie Phillips, joins “Crafting with Ursula” to talk about the writing mother, how Le Guin’s embrace of both writing and motherhood influenced her engagement with feminism, as well as with story form, and ultimately how it prompted her to develop a philosophical framework from which to re-vision her own work going forward. Julie is not only the perfect guest to discuss this because of the regular conversations she had with Le Guin over the years, but also because she is the author of <em>The Baby on the Fire Escape: Creativity, Motherhood and the Mind-Baby Problem. </em>This book looks at six writing mothers, from Audre Lorde to Doris Lessing to Angela Carter to Ursula herself, and how they each navigated becoming and defending a life as both a writer and as a mother.</p>
<p>If you enjoyed today’s conversation consider becoming a supporter of the show. There are many potential rewards and benefits of doing so, from resource-rich emails with each episode, to bonus audio from past guests, everyone from N.K. Jemisin to Ted Chiang, to rare Le Guin collectibles. You can check it all out at the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>Finally here is today’s conversation’s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-julie-phillips-crafting-with-ursula-conversation">Bookshop.</a></p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Daniel Mendelsohn’s latest book you could say is about digression and about ring composition, a form of storytelling with digression at its heart. And yet this book, about digression, is not only his shortest and most concise, a mere 112 pages, but also somehow contains all the concerns of his previous books and much more, distilled down into a tight hypnotic spiral. A book about Homer and the Hebrew Bible, about the Odyssey and the Holocaust, about forced migration, exile, and unexpected hospitality, about Proust, Sebald, Auerbach, Fénelon and many others lost to history. But ultimately it is about representation and narrative. Of how best to represent something in a way that feels most true, whether when telling a story, performing a play, building a monument, or creating a memorial. <em>Three Rings </em>is as much a meditation on art-making and writing as it is a meditation on memory and remembering; the mysteries of both, and also the thorny political and ethical questions that arise when choosing to represent reality in one way or another.</p>
<p>A conversation rich with references, you can find many of the books mentioned in today’s conversation at the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-daniel-mendelsohn-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today’s episode.</p>
<p>If you enjoyed today’s conversation, help ensure the future of in-depth conversations just like this by becoming a part of the Between the Covers listener-supporter community. Find out all the potential rewards and benefits of doing so at the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Vauhini Vara : The Immortal King Rao</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2022 06:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><em>The Immortal King Rao</em> is somehow three narratives in one, a historical novel set within a Dalit community in 1950s India, a near-future tech dystopia on the islands of the Puget Sound near Seattle, and an immigration story from the former to the latter. As a technology reporter herself, Vauhini Vara is interested in artificial intelligence in relation to writing and narrative, and she has found an ingenious tech-assisted point of view to tell this story of India and the United States, of caste and capitalism, of corporate governance and the anarchist resistance to it, in the most novel of ways.</p>
<p>This may be the only podcast you listen to this year where <em>pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis</em>, the longest word in the dictionary, is spoken. Surely it is the only one that looks at everything from artificial intelligence to anarchism, Ambedkar to Gandhi, global capitalisms to global feminisms, and questions of representation, diversity, and erasure within everything from technology itself to whose stories get published and read.</p>
<p>During today’s conversation Vauhini mentions many books by Dalit authors (as well as books about Taoism and anarchism and capitalism) and we’ve collected many of them in today’s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-vauhini-vara-conversation">Bookshop</a>. Vauhini’s contribution to the bonus audio archive is also of note. She reads from and discusses her award-winning essay “Ghosts,” which engages with an artificial intelligence called GPT-3. Vara believes it is a technology that could be useful for writers that are having trouble finding the language for something that defies words, much as her engagement with GPT-3 helps her find a way into the grief she felt about losing her sister, something until then she had been unable to write into. This joins bonus audio from so many others: from Viet Thanh Nguyen reading and discussing Maxine Hong Kingston to Ted Chiang reading his essay on why Silicon Valley fears super-intelligent A.I.  You can find out more about subscribing to the bonus audio and about the many other potential rewards and benefits of becoming a listener-supporter and joining the Between the Covers community at the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Crafting with Ursula : William Alexander on Writing for Children</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2022 05:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“People who deny the existence of dragons are often eaten by them,” says Ursula K. Le Guin. “From within.” This is just one of many quotes that arise from Le Guin’s high regard for the child reader and for the unique intelligence of children. Her philosophy around the importance of the imagination and of imaginative fiction is also rooted in this regard for children. Le Guin’s respect for their unique intelligence, on its own terms, connects to many of her other concerns as well, whether ecological, political, cosmological, or literary. So we are lucky today to have National Book Award–winning children’s author William Alexander on Crafting with Ursula. Le Guin not only held his work in high regard, but they reviewed each other, became friends, and corresponded. Alexander himself has thought deeply about the longstanding fear of the imagination, and how it is playing out today, whether in schools, with the battles for what is considered acceptable literature or acceptable history to teach, or in relation to “the other,” the fear of the stranger, the fear of the nonhuman, the fear of that which is both real and true and something we can’t understand.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Will contributes a description of his playful and theatrical writing exercise called “Smoke.” An associative nonlinear technique, “Smoke” is something he uses to either create or develop characters in his stories to help them come alive on the page. This joins bonus audio from many past guests, from Daniel José Older and Ted Chiang to Carmen Maria Machado and N. K. Jemisin. You can find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio and check out all the other potential rewards of becoming a listener-supporter, from Le Guin collectibles to becoming an early reader for Tin House, receiving twelve books over the course of a year months before they are available to the general public, at the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-william-alexander-crafting-with-ursula-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today’s episode, including the books discussed today by both Le Guin and Alexander.</p>
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		<title>Hernan Diaz : Trust</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2022 07:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Hernan Diaz’s debut novel <em>In the Distance</em> went on to become not only one of the great debuts of the year, but a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in fiction and the PEN/Faulkner award. His follow-up <em>Trust</em> is also a book that engages with and interrogates the stories that the United States tells about itself and the mythologies it creates, but this time focusing not on the Western frontier but rather on the accumulation of capital and the mythos of money. But <em>Trust</em> is really about the contract between reader and writer, fiction’s relationship to truth and history, and the way the “reality” of what really happened is often built upon the erasure of certain voices. <em>Trust</em> is a marvel of both form and voice. It is a nested puzzle that requires the reader to be a textual detective, and yet, at the same time, remains a compulsive, immersive reading experience. Somehow the book is able to shift styles—from that of Edith Wharton or Henry James to that of Jean Rhys or Virginia Woolf—and not only remain a cohesive project but deepen as it sheds one skin and assumes another.</p>
<p>If you enjoy today’s deep dive with Hernan Diaz consider joining the Between the Covers community as a listener-supporter. There are many benefits and rewards for doing so.  Check them all out at the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon</a> page. Lastly, here is today’s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-hernan-diaz-conversation">Bookshop</a> with all of the books mentioned today.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Rae Armantrout : Finalists</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2022 14:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The first time Rae Armantrout came on the show, in 2017, we looked at her poetry through the lens of her interest in quantum physics. Now, five years later, with the release of this double collection of poems, we look at her career-long desire to cultivate a poetics that encourages life to interrupt and interject within her poems, to disrupt what her constructing mind desires to write and change the poem’s trajectory. We look at this approach, and the resulting poems, through another of Rae’s longstanding interests: cognitive science, not only how we perceive or think, but how we construct meaning and to what end. This takes us many places, from anthropology to philosophy, but always returns us to the mysteries of language and language-making and to questions of selfhood, voice, and truth.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Rae contributes a reading of many poems from her  just-finished manuscript, giving us an early sneak peek of what is coming next for her. This joins bonus readings from Jorie Graham, Alice Oswald, Rosmarie Waldrop, Nikky Finney, Natalie Diaz, Layli Long Soldier, Forrest Gander, Arthur Sze, and many others.  The bonus audio is only one potential benefit of becoming a supporter of the show and joining the Between the Covers community. There are many other gifts and rewards to choose from, all of which you can find at the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Lastly here is this episode’s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-rae-armantrout-conversation">Bookshop</a> with all the books mentioned today.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Crafting with Ursula : Kim Stanley Robinson on Ambiguous Utopias</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2022 05:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest, Kim Stanley Robinson, is perhaps the living writer most associated with utopian literature today. And as a student of the philosopher, political theorist, and literary critic Fredric Jameson, Robinson has thought deeply about the history of utopias, the history of the novel, and the strange hybrid form that became the utopian novel. In his mind it was Ursula K. Le Guin who wrote the first truly great utopian novel. We discuss Le Guin’s utopian work alongside his, and contextualize her importance historically. Robinson also shares some incredible anecdotes from his time in the 70s as her student and the ways their lives as fellow writers have intersected over the decades.</p>
<p>What is a utopian novel? What is an ambiguous utopia? And why has this genre become a particularly vital form and even a critical tool of the human imagination today? Listen in to find out. And if you enjoy this series consider transforming yourself from a listener into a listener-supporter. Head over to the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a> to check out all the potential rewards and benefits of doing so, from rare Le Guin collectibles to bonus audio from SFF luminaries. Lastly, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-kim-stanley-robinson-s-crafting-with-ursula-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today’s episode which contains many of the books and stories discussed today.</p>
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		<title>Courtney Maum — The Year of the Horses</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Courtney Maum’s latest book, her memoir <em>The Year of the Horses</em>, is about a writer at a rough point in her writing career, in her marriage, as a mother, as a woman, finding a way back to herself in all of these spheres by learning to listen and communicate, outside of language, to another species. What are the therapeutic benefits of learning to be with a horse of all creatures, an animal that is not geared towards comforting us or aiming to please? Why do anxious or traumatized people find help by being with an anxious animal?  And what can a person like Courtney, whose life is word-centric, as a language maker, a writer, bring back to language when returning to the desk from the barn?</p>
<p>We discuss these questions, but we also unpack issues of gender and misogyny with regards to how memoir writing is framed, and talk about the status of women and animals in the world of writing and the world of riding both. Lastly, because Courtney is a writing teacher, a writing coach, and the author of <em><span class="a-text-italic">Before and After the Book Deal, </span></em><span class="a-text-italic">we talk about agents and editors, drafting and revision, and about useful tips and techniques to take one’s abundance of life material and shape it into story. </span></p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Courtney contributes a discussion of an essay by poet, essayist, and psychoanalyst Nuar Alsadir. This joins bonus readings from everyone from Ada Limón to Teju Cole, Sheila Heti to Victoria Chang. To find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the many other potential benefits of becoming a supporter of the show head over to the Between the Covers <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-courtney-maum-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today’s conversation with all the books mentioned today.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Ada Limón : The Hurting Kind</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2022 04:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest Ada Limón discusses her latest collection of poetry, <em>The Hurting Kind, </em>whose poems ask and explore what it means to be a human animal among animals, and how language can be a means or an obstacle to this desire. We talk about the relationship of joy to death, poetry to praise, and the desire to and challenges of writing with directness, with an aim to connect. We look at the trajectory of Ada’s poetics, one she describes as getting closer and closer to who she really is, and what it means, in language and on the page, to aim for authenticity, for the “I” in your poems to really be, or aim to be, you.</p>
<p>We also talk about pizza, groundhogs, and the Argentinian poet Alejandra Pizarnik (and I make an improbable connection between the three!). Pizarnik is a big part of our conversation and for the bonus audio archive, Ada contributes a reading of some Pizarnik poems that she particularly loves. To learn more about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the other potential benefits and rewards of becoming a supporter of the show, head over to the Between the Covers <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Lastly, here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-ada-limon-conversation">Bookshop</a> for today’s episode, with all the books mentioned.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Crafting with Ursula : adrienne maree brown on Social Justice &#038; Science Fiction</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2022 05:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s conversation with adrienne maree brown begins with the notion that all organizing <em>is</em> science fiction, and thus that social justice and science fiction are intricately linked imaginative acts, acts that have real effects in the world at large. brown looks at works by Le Guin that she considers foundational texts for activists and organizers, and discusses what it means to do the work of imagination, as well as the dangers of not doing that work, of living within a world imagined by others, people who might not fully imagine you. Many of adrienne’s concepts, from ‘emergent strategy’ to ‘fractal responsibility,’ are linked to everything from Le Guin’s interest in anarchism to their shared interest in Taoism.</p>
<p>If you enjoyed today’s conversation consider becoming a supporter of the show. Check out all the possible rewards and benefits of doing so, from rare Le Guin collectibles to access to bonus audio by Ted Chiang to N.K. Jemisin, to becoming an early reader for Tin House, receiving books months before they are available to the general public by going to the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Lastly, here is today’s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-adrienne-maree-brown-s-crafting-with-ursula-conversation">Bookshop,</a> which contains the books by Le Guin mentioned today and many of adrienne’s books, from her debut novel <em>Grievers</em> to her books on social activism to the anthology she coedited, <em>Octavia’s Brood.</em></p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2022 12:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Cristina Rivera Garza returns to the show to discuss her <em>New and Selected Stories, </em>which gathers together fiction across thirty years of her writing life. Some are stories translated into English for the first time. Others are stories in English that haven’t yet appeared in Spanish. Still others are new versions, rewritten, retranslated or both. We talk about her lifelong interest in troubling the borders between these two languages, Spanish and English, and the borders between Mexico and the United States, even between writer and translator. But Cristina also undermines the borders of selfhood and identity in such uncanny ways, ways that have implications around gender and the status of women, and around nature and the status of the nonhuman other. In addition we look at some of her more scholarly work on “necrowriting” (writing with the dead) and what it means to have a writing practice of &#8220;disappropriation,” one that returns writing to its plural form.</p>
<p>Today’s bonus audio is a long-form conversation with Cristina’s longtime translator Sarah Booker. Among the many things we discuss is the unique fashion in which Cristina and Sarah write and rewrite, translate and retranslate each other’s work, a horizontal relationship that redefines authorship and is informed for both of them by a feminist ethics. To learn more about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and to check out the many other potential benefits and rewards of joining the Between the Covers community as a supporter, head over to the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, here is this episode’s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-cristina-rivera-garza-conversation">Bookshop</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Caren Beilin : Revenge of the Scapegoat</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2022 04:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest, Caren Beilin, talks about her latest novel <em>Revenge of the Scapegoat. </em>All four of her books—two nonfiction, two fiction—each stand alone but they each also share recognizable people/characters that travel across books and across genre. How do the fictional versions of the real people in her life—her partner, her parents, her siblings, her friends—relate to their “real selves” and how does this spilling over from one book to the next help Caren engage with shared questions that animate them all? We talk about what it means to write prose with a disability poetics, about pain’s relationship to form, about the unruly body and body humor, and about creating stories that interrogate and undermine destructive systems, from medical and institutional gaslighting to ‘the scapegoat mechanism,’ to the dynamics of the family unit itself. We also talk about sentences, about the pleasure and power of knots of language, as a site for expression, rebellion, and even liberation.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive, Caren discusses and reads from Flaubert’s final, unfinished novel <i>Bouvard et</i> <i>Pécuchet</i>, the novel whose two grumpy old men, Bouvard and Pécuchet, Caren’s most recent protagonist names her two painful, arthritic feet after. To find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio and to check out all the other potential benefits of becoming a listener-supporter of the show (including a limited number of signed copies of Caren’s <em>Blackfishing the IUD</em>) head over to the show’s <a style="background-color: #ffffff;" href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>. And finally here is today’s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-caren-beilin-conversation/">Bookshop</a> which contains many of the books mentioned today (from those by Sheila Heti, Gustave Flaubert, and René Girard to those by Beilin herself).</p>
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		<title>Crafting with Ursula : Karen Joy Fowler on Experimental Women, Animals, Science &#038; Story</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2022 05:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest on Crafting with Ursula, the award-winning writer of science fiction, fantasy, and historical fiction Karen Joy Fowler, was a longstanding friend of Ursula K. Le Guin. And they both shared a deep interest not only in science, but also in raising questions about the biases deeply embedded in the way we conduct it (species biases, cultural biases, gender biases, etc.). These questions about science enter and animate their stories, stories that examine the foundations of species supremacy, of how we define intelligence (and why), of what qualities we want to reserve and defend as human or humane, of the implications on both animals and women when we feminize certain approaches to knowledge and inquiry and then discount them. This is a great complement to the last Crafting with Ursula with Isaac Yuen, both deeply engaged with questions of the human and nonhuman in storytelling, and yet these two conversations go to very different, if kindred, places.</p>
<p>If you enjoyed today’s conversation consider transforming from a listener to a listener supporter of the show. Join the collective brainstorm of who to invite on the show going forward, get the supplementary resources that go out to supporters with each episode, and check out the other potential rewards of doing so, from rare Le Guin collectibles to bonus readings from everyone from N. K. Jemisin to Ted Chiang, at the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
<p>Finally here is today’s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-karen-joy-fowler-s-crafting-with-ursula-conversation/">Bookshop</a> with many of the books by Le Guin, Fowler, and others mentioned during the conversation.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Sheila Heti : Pure Colour</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Sheila Heti returns to Between the Covers to discuss her latest unclassifiable novel <em>Pure Colour. </em>When something happens in your life that upends everything you thought you knew, that changes what you notice and value, something that is hard, if not impossible, to put into language, that mystifies you even now, how do you find a new form to reflect this? We discuss what it is to write books influenced less by other books than by other art forms (what does it mean to try to write more like a painter paints or sculptor sculpts?), about the role of criticism and inviting other writers into the process of a book becoming itself, about the art critic characters in her new book that are imagining a future world better than this one, and much more.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Heti discusses and reads from her serialized Oulipian project, taking her diary entries from the past ten years and alphabetizing the sentences (this joins a previous contribution by Sheila, a reading of her essay “My Life is a Joke”). To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio and about the many other potential benefits and rewards of joining the community of Between the Covers supporters, head over to the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
<p>Finally here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-sheila-heti-conversation/">Bookshop</a> for today&#8217;s episode with many of the books mentioned.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Alejandro Zambra : Chilean Poet</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2022 13:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest is Chilean novelist, essayist, literary critic, and poet Alejandro Zambra, talking about his latest novel <em>Chilean Poet</em>, a novel brimming over with, yes, Chilean poets and poems, but also with love and laughter, artistic dreams and failures, and the desire to find language for things deeply felt that have no name. This conversation, one about everything from writing itself to translation, cats to parenthood, Mexico to Chile, Roberto Bolaño to Nicanor Parra, and poetry to prose, is ultimately one wondrous love letter to literature, those who make it and those who read it.</p>
<p>Whenever a guest comes on the show for a book they wrote in another language than English, I try to do a second long-form conversation with the translator for the bonus audio archive. The bonus audio (one of the potential benefits of becoming a listener-supporter of the show) is full of a wide variety of supplemental material (from readings to craft talks) but the most robust material, often hour-long conversations, are these conversations with translators. These include Sophie Hughes (translating Fernanda Melchor), Kurt Beals (translating Jenny Erpenbeck), Suzanne Jill Levine (translating Cristina Rivera Garza), and Emma Ramadan (translating Abdellah Taïa). Today’s translator conversation is with Megan McDowell, who has translated Alejandro since his 2nd book and who translates many other South American writing luminaries (e.g. Samanta Schweblin and Mariana Enriquez).  To learn more about the potential benefits of becoming a supporter of the show, including the bonus audio, head over to the Between the Covers <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon</a> page.</p>
<p>And here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-alejandro-zambra-conversation/">Bookshop</a> for today’s conversation with many of the books mentioned during it.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Crafting with Ursula : Isaac Yuen on Writing Nature &#038; Nature Writing</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2022 06:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s “Crafting with Ursula,” a conversation with nature writer Isaac Yuen, explores Le Guin’s writing of the nonhuman other in her fiction. Why might we consider decentering the human within our stories and how do we do so? How does one evoke a truly alien intelligence (i.e. that of a plant or an insect) but using human language for a human readership? Looking closely at three of Le Guin’s short fictions, “The Direction of the Road,” “Bones of the Earth,” and “The Author of the Acacia Seeds and Other Extracts from the Journal of Therolinguistics,” Isaac and David discuss the various strategies Le Guin uses to evoke a world that is more than human, and that stretches past human comprehension. We place these stories alongside stories and essays of Isaac’s to find the ways Le Guin and Yuen’s work speak one to another.</p>
<p>This episode’s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-isaac-yuen-s-crafting-with-ursula-conversation/">Bookshop</a> contains all the Le Guin books mentioned in today’s conversation along with Yuen’s  favorite touchstone books of nature writing in both fiction and nonfiction.</p>
<p>If you enjoyed today’s conversation, consider becoming a supporter of the show. Check out all the potential benefits and rewards, including Le Guin collectibles, bonus audio from iconic SFF guests, and more at the Between the Covers <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Solmaz Sharif : Customs</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>It’s been five years since Solmaz Sharif’s <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/solmaz-sharif-look/">first appearance</a> on Between the Covers, for her National Book Award–finalist debut collection <em>Look. </em>Since then, many listeners have pointed to this conversation as one of the most memorable episodes to date. Solmaz returns today to discuss her much-anticipated follow-up, <em>Customs. </em>We talk about belonging, exile and language, about what it means to write against goodness, to write uncivilly, to write against language even. We look at the ways her poetry has changed from one book to the next, and the vulnerability and fear of writing from a single voice, in the first person, rather than through the poly-vocal conceptual frame of <em>Look</em>. We also take some of Solmaz’s animating questions into the world of the classroom, into poetry pedagogy, as well as out into the world, as a lens into the lives of political poets, and into what poems can (and can’t) do.</p>
<p>Check out today’s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-solmaz-sharif-conversation/">Bookshop</a>, where the works of writers we engaged with today, from June Jordan to Dionne Brand to Forough Farrokhzad, can be found. Also if you enjoyed today’s program consider becoming a listener-supporter of the show. There are <em>many</em> potential benefits and rewards of doing so, including becoming an early reader for Tin House, receiving twelve books over the course of a year months before they are available to the general public, rare collectibles from past guests (from Ursula K. Le Guin to Nikky Finney), and the bonus audio archive with contributions from Kaveh Akbar, Rabih Alameddine, Phil Metres, Layli Long Soldier, Alice Oswald, Jorie Graham, and more. These and many other things can be found at the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon</a> page.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Writer and performance artist Gabrielle Civil talks about her latest book <em>the déjà vu: black dreams &amp; black time, </em>as well as her chapbook <em>( ghost gestures )</em>, chosen by Bhanu Kapil for the Gold Line Press Nonfiction prize. What does Civil mean by “Black time” and how does she enact this in <em>the déjà vu</em>? What is “performance writing” or “performance memoir” and how do her work on the stage and on the page speak to each other across forms? What does it mean to consider one’s ancestry, one’s lineage, one’s generation, and future ones, in the “now” of your work? Civil discusses all of this and much more in today’s conversation.</p>
<p>Today’s episode touches on the work of everyone from bell hooks to Dionne Brand to Ntozake Shange to Alexis Pauline Gumbs. This abundance of referred-to books, as well as Gabrielle Civil’s own, have been collected in this episode’s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-gabrielle-civil-conversation/">Bookshop</a> (a great way to support today’s guest, other writers, independent booksellers and the show all at one time).</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Gabrielle adds a reading and discussion of one of her favorite American sonnets by Wanda Coleman. To find out more about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the many other potential benefits of becoming a listener-supporter of the show, check out the Between the Covers <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest on the second episode of <em>Crafting with Ursula</em>, Molly Gloss, the acclaimed writer of both award-winning science fiction and fantasy as well as feminist Westerns, has a particular insight into the work and writing life of Le Guin. Gloss’ writing career began as a student of Le Guin’s in a workshop in the 1980s. And yet they soon became friends, were friends and writing peers for thirty-five years, and were in peer writing groups together in both poetry and prose during that time, critiquing each other’s work. Today’s episode focuses on something Ursula herself loved to think about, the meanings that lie beneath the words we write, the music (or lack of music) in a line or sentence that make our stories or our poetry gurgle or sing. And, of course, how to create this meaning from below and why.</p>
<p>While this conversation begins at the level of the line, at the level of the sentence, we do come to talk about the unusual way Le Guin employs technology in her work, a sensibility that informs Gloss’ writing, particularly in <em>The Dazzle of Day. </em>We talk about her different relationship to fiction and to poetry, and perhaps most notably we get to hear a long, never-before-seen, unpublished poem of Le Guin’s that was brought to one of their shared poetry peer groups, a poem about the practice of writing itself.</p>
<p>The <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-molly-gloss-crafting-with-ursula-conversation/">Bookshop</a> for today’s episode is particularly robust: Gloss’ most iconic SFF works, Le Guin’s craft books, her poetry, and more. It is just one way to support writers, independent bookstores, and the show all at the same time. If you enjoyed today’s program, consider transforming yourself from a listener to a listener-supporter. There are many potential benefits of doing so, from the bonus audio archive to rare collectibles from past guests including from Ursula K. Le Guin herself. Check it all out at the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>James Hannaham : Pilot Impostor</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2022 15:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Writer, critic, performer, &amp; visual artist James Hannaham talks about his latest and most uncategorizable book <em>Pilot Impostor. </em>This book slips between the borders of prose and poetry, fiction and nonfiction, image and text, facts and fake news, selfhood and persona, pretending and privilege. And <em>Pilot Impostor </em>comes into being piece by piece through an engagement with the work, poem by poem, of Fernando Pessoa, a writer who created and wrote from over seventy (!!!) different heteronyms (personas that interacted with each other and had full biographies, from a bisexual naval engineer in Scotland to an uneducated Portuguese shepherd trying to unlearn even more). And yet this book of Hannaham’s is also somehow about Trump, air disasters, the nature of selfhood, and the ongoing legacy of colonialism and slavery. How is this all possible? Well, listen in to find out!</p>
<p>Here is the <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-james-hannaham-conversation/">Bookshop</a> for today’s conversation, with all of the books mentioned today, where you can support writers, independent bookstores, and the podcast all in one act. If you enjoy today’s episode, consider becoming a listener-supporter of Between the Covers. Many past guests, from Nikky Finney to Ursula K. Le Guin, have donated collectibles for future supporters. There is also the possibility of becoming a Tin House early reader, receiving twelve books over the course of a year, months before they are available to the general public. And every supporter joins a community that is helping shape the future of the show, as well as receiving a resource-rich email with each conversation. Check it all out at the Between the Covers <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Rabih Alameddine : The Wrong End of the Telescope</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2022 07:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Rabih Alameddine talks about his new novel <em>The Wrong End of the Telescope</em>, which is set on the island of Lesbos amidst the medical personnel and tourist-volunteers involved with helping the arriving Syrian refugees. Interestingly, the writer, one suspiciously similar to Rabih himself, is a secondary character in this novel, a character who asks Mina, a Lebanese-American doctor, to tell this story, to be the narrator, because the writer is too undone by the situation to do so. We talk about narrative distance, about how to find what Rabih calls “the Goldilocks distance” not too enmeshed, not to detached, to be able to effectively tell a story that needs to be told. We talk about the power and limits of literature, of empathy, of volunteerism, about why each of Rabih’s books is a rebellion against the one before, about how to write without relying on the reader’s preexisting emotions and why one might want to do so.</p>
<p>The <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-rabih-alameddine-conversation">Bookshop</a> for this episode contains most of the books mentioned today (from Vivian Gornick to Elisa Gabbert to Italo Calvino, and of course most of Rabih’s books that we talk about today too). It is a nice way to support the show, the writer, and independent bookstores, all in one gesture.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Rabih contributes a brief discussion and reading of a favorite poem of his by Fernando Pessoa. To find out about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and about the other potential benefits of becoming a supporter of the show head over to the Between the Covers <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Crafting with Ursula : Becky Chambers on Creating Aliens &#038; Alien Cultures</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2022 13:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest, Becky Chambers, discusses her own work, and her own considerations when imagining alien cultures and the beings that inhabit them. She does this in light of Le Guin’s novel <em>The Left Hand of Darkness</em> and Le Guin’s short story, “Coming of Age in Karhide,” written by Le Guin 25 years later, but within the same world as the the novel. What does putting these two narratives side by side tell us about storytelling, about audience, about otherness, about the author herself? And what does it mean to imagine worlds not through the science of physics but through the science of culture and the science of bodies? What can be gained by decentering (or even disposing of) plot, conflict, or heroes? And what are the biological and technological considerations one might think about when imagining a future or the beings that might inhabit it?</p>
<p>If this first episode of <em>Crafting with Ursula </em>is your first encounter with the Between the Covers podcast, you can sort the show’s archive by genre, foregrounding, if you desire, all the past <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/th_podcast_cat/sff/">science fiction and fantasy conversations</a> with everyone from Ted Chiang and N.K. Jemisin to Neal Stephenson, Daniel José Older, and Kelly Link. All the books mentioned in today’s conversation with Becky Chambers can be found at the show’s <a href="http://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-becky-chambers-crafting-with-ursula-conversation/">BookShop</a> (a nice way to support the author, the show, and independent booksellers all at the same time).</p>
<p>To learn more about the potential benefits and rewards of becoming a listener-supporter of the show, from rare Le Guin collectibles to becoming an early reader for Tin House, head over to the Between the Covers <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page.</a></p>
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		<title>Victoria Chang : Dear Memory</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2022 12:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Poet Victoria Chang talks about her latest and most uncategorizable book<em> Dear Memory: Letters on Writing, Silence, and Grief. </em>A book composed largely of essay-like letters, <em>Dear Memory</em> also contains collages by Victoria, created from the artifacts (mementos, documents, photographs) found in her family’s storage locker, and short poems which she places among the images. What does this formal shapeshifting tell us about this project? How are form and identity related? What does changing form (in this case from poetry to prose) reveal about the self? What role does imagination play in memory? What is post-memory and how does one write into memories that one didn’t have oneself but which nevertheless cast a shadow under which one’s life has been shaped? What does it mean to put language at risk and how does one go about doing it? Is it possible that constructing a self comes not from striving toward wholeness, but from entering the gaps, the silences, the severance, and departures from which one comes?</p>
<p>Today’s conversation invokes the thoughts and work of many other writers (from Brandon Shimoda to Don Mee Choi to Theresa Hak Kyung Cha to Rick Barot). You can check out all the books mentioned (by both Victoria and others) at today’s episode’s <a href="https://bookshop.org/lists/books-from-victoria-chang-conversation">BookShop</a>.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Victoria adds a reading from her forthcoming collected <em>The Trees Witness Everything</em> as well as a short discussion of writing using constraints, talking about the multiple constraints that produced the tiny poems in this very different upcoming collection. You can find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio as well as about the other potential benefits of becoming a Between the Covers supporter at the show’s <a href="https://www.patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon</a> page.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Valerie Mejer Caso : Edinburgh Notebook</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2021 03:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest, Mexican poet, painter, and translator Valerie Mejer Caso talks about her latest book, the bilingual publication of poetry, collage, and photography <em>Edinburgh Notebook</em>, translated by Michelle Gil-Montero for Action Books. What does it mean to write something both autobiographical and surreal, both dream-like and real? How can questions of selfhood and identity (the identity of nation, of language, of family) become uncanny? What does it mean to write with “shattered language” and how can one find words, images, and forms to capture grief, loss, and death? This only scratches the surface of this conversation with Valerie, one that ranges widely, from Freud’s dreams to Tarkovsky’s notion of time to Raúl Zurita’s thoughts on the relationship of poetry to mortality itself.</p>
<p>Today’s addition to the bonus audio archive is a long-form, in-depth conversation with the translator of <em>Edinburgh Notebook</em>, Michelle Gil-Montero. We talk about translating Valerie Mejer Caso’s work, about studying under poet-translators Forrest Gander and C.D. Wright, about her press Eulalia Books that seeks to translate poetry and hybrid works that are ex-centric and ecstatic and which trouble notions of nation, and about finding the right balance between her own writing, her translating, her teaching, and her editing. Near the end she reads some of her most recent poetry as well. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the other potential benefits of becoming a supporter of Between the Covers head over to the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Raymond Antrobus : All The Names Given &#038; The Perseverance</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2021 11:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>British poet, educator, and writer Raymond Antrobus has two poetry collections out this year. The US release of his award-winning debut <em>The Perseverance</em> and his follow-up, just out now, <em>All The Names Given</em>. We discuss both books in relation to Antrobus’ own particular deaf poetics. What questions do his poems raise about audience and accessibility, about the written, the heard, the signed, the performed? What questions do they raise about sound itself? We also discuss the intersection of deafness and race, and about holding a space for the tensions and contradictions when exploring, in one’s art, both sides of the Antrobus family tree, white, Black, Jamaican and British. All of this and much more.</p>
<p>As 2021 comes to a close, consider becoming a supporter of Between the Covers going into 2022. To find out all the potential benefits and rewards of doing so head over to the show’s <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tice Cin : Keeping the House</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2021 06:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Tice Cin’s debut novel <em>Keeping the House</em> is set within the Turkish Cypriot community of North London. But while it is also set within the heroin trade there, this book is not a crime novel, or if it is, it is like no crime novel you’ve read before. <em>Keeping the House </em>is a book, by Cin’s own description, for people who feel “glitched.” The book “glitches” between past and present, between prose and poetry, and between one language and another and back again. <em>Keeping the House</em> not only subverts the tropes of crime fiction, of hero narratives and the gender dynamics within them, but challenges us to be within a new form, to feel our way forward, carried by the rhythms of this newness on its own terms. Our conversation ranges widely, from glitching to cabbages, artificial intelligence to complex PTSD, sensitivity reads to chosen families, to what it means to keep the house, to find a home.</p>
<p>Tice Cin’s contribution to the bonus audio archive is a first for the show. She asked me to give her a writing prompt so that she could write something new especially for Between the Covers supporters. Having spent some time in North Cyprus myself, the place her family comes from, and given the food-centric formal shape of her novel, I came up with a prompt that is both Cyprus and food-specific and she wrote what could best be described as something that lingers between a poem and a song, one that will take your breath away. To find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio and/or about the many other potential benefits of becoming a listener-supporter of BTC head over to the Between the Covers <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Rosmarie Waldrop : The Nick of Time</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2021 07:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest, poet and translator Rosmarie Waldrop, is best known for her prose poetry and for good reason. Waldrop is one of the great prose poetry practitioners and innovators over the course of the last half century. We speak about her latest collection, <em>The Nick of</em> <em>Time</em>, through the lens of the themes, questions, and poetics that animate her work across the decades: her attraction to betweenness, to the gap between two things or between two words; her desire to distress the sentence and to what end; her aversion to metaphor and analogy; and her belief that it is in the silence, the not-said, the unrepresented, the nothingness that lies between two words, where creation and generation truly happens. We also explore her life as a translator, particularly in relation to the work of Egyptian Jewish writer Edmond Jabès, and the friendship they forged through their shared engagement with the mysteries of language (she translated fourteen of his books from French to English), and the questions this relationship raises about identity, both the self and the other.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Waldrop reads from her translation of Jabès’ remarkable “Adam, or The Birth of Anxiety” from <em>The Book of Shares</em>. To learn more about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the other potential benefits and rewards of becoming a supporter of the show (from rare collectibles to becoming an early reader for Tin House) head over to the Between the Covers <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Percival Everett : The Trees</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2021 05:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest, Percival Everett, author of twenty-one novels, four short story collections, six collections of poetry and a children’s book, has also been a horse and mule trainer, a jazz guitarist, a fly fisherman, a rehabilitator of mandolins, and an abstract painter. He is, however, best known for his “gleefully unhinged” (<em>New York Times</em>) hard-to-categorize novels, books that engage with the tropes of genre (e.g. detective novels, Westerns, Greek myths) and subvert those same tropes, often in the service of looking at the stories America likes (and more notably, doesn&#8217;t like) to tell about itself. We talk today about his latest novel <em>The Trees </em>(Graywolf Press), a book that is somehow a police procedural, a possibly supernatural revenge story, a comic burlesque, and an examination of the ongoing history of lynching in the United States.</p>
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		<title>Myriam J. A. Chancy : What Storm, What Thunder</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2021 05:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Haitian-Canadian-American writer <span class="il">Myriam</span> Chancy is an acclaimed novelist but she is also a literary scholar who studies, among other things, storytelling. As a scholar instrumental in inaugurating Haitian women’s studies as a contemporary field of specialization, and one who has argued that much of Haitian women’s literature should be viewed through the lens of the novel as revolutionary tool, we talk today to <span class="il">Myriam</span> about her own latest novel, a polyvocal choral work that takes place just before, during, and just after the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, <i>What Storm, What Thunder.  </i></p>
<p>It is impossible however, to talk about the earthquake, why it had the impact on Haiti that it did, why the aid produced so little long-term change, and how the world viewed Haiti in the aftermath of its worst tragedy, without also talking about the stories forever told about Haiti, stories told ever since it became the first Black republic in the Western hemisphere, a successful revolution led by slaves that sent shudders through the slave-holding nations of the world, from America to France. What are these stories about Haiti, the stories of it as a “cursed nation,” what do these stories tell about the storytellers? What lesser known stories, what true histories, do these stories hide or erase? And how are stories by Haitians themselves, particularly by Haitian women, revolutionary tools?</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Myriam Chancy alternates between reading from Jamaica Kincaid’s <em>A Small Place</em> and talking about its importance for us. It is immediately apparent, even if she hadn&#8217;t mentioned it at the onset, that she teaches this text, that she knows it well. She alternates between reading passages and then extended commentary and then returns to the reading and comments again, commenting on what it illuminates not just about Antigua but about Haiti, and not just about what she loves about Kincaid’s writing but how it has influenced her own writing in her most recent novel. This is one that I think warrants multiple listens. To find out more about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the other potential benefits of becoming a listener-supporter of the show head over to the <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Between the Covers Patreon</a> page.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Negotiating the Love and Renouncing the Rest with Destiny O. Birdsong and Donika Kelly</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2021 05:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Negotiating the Love and Renouncing the Rest,” today&#8217;s Tin House Live conversation between poets Destiny O. Birdsong &amp; Donika Kelly, was recorded at the 2021 Tin House Summer Writers Workshop. Among many other things, they ask what it would mean to center yourself in your own work, in your own story. How would that look, and what would need to be decentered to make that happen on the page? They also talk about writing (or not writing) into and about abuse and trauma, about families of origin and chosen families, and much more.</p>
<p>Destiny O. Birdsong is a poet, novelist, and essayist whose debut poetry collection, <em>Negotiations</em>, was published in 2020 by Tin House and longlisted for the 2021 PEN/Voelcker Award. Elizabeth Acevedo said of Birdsong’s collection: “Reading <em>Negotiations</em> is like walking into a boxing match with an indefatigable fighter; you will be struck, and it will hurt. But for all of its ferocity in how it grapples with womanhood, sexuality, assault, and race, this collection is also full of wonder. Of forgiveness. Of tenderness, the like of which, ultimately, delivers the most powerful sucker punch.” Destiny Birdsong’s debut novel, <em>Nobody’s Magic</em>, is forthcoming in February 2022 from Grand Central Publishing.</p>
<p>Donika Kelly is the author of  <em>Bestiary</em> from Graywolf, winner of the Cave Canem Poetry Prize, a Hurston/Wright Legacy Award for Poetry, and the Kate Tufts Discovery Award. The collection was also longlisted for the National Book Award, and was a finalist for a Publishing Triangle Award and a Lambda Literary Award. And she is the author of the poetry collection <em>The Renunciations</em>, out this year from Graywolf. A collection poet Ellen Bass describes as follows: “In her vital new poetry collection, Donika Kelly harnesses ‘the air, the earth, and flame’ to renounce the old gods: child abuse, violence, racial injustice, generational trauma. . . . <em>The Renunciations</em> is a work of stunning power, alive with haunting images, complex metaphor. And while Kelly looks unsparingly at pain and suffering—her own and others’—with transformation comes joy.”</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2021 05:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Irish theologian, storyteller, poet, conflict mediator, and host of the podcast <em>Poetry Unbound</em> Pádraig Ó Tuama joins David to discuss the role of both narrative storytelling and poetry in relationship to encountering ‘the other.’ How can the stories we tell about ourselves prevent us from seeing who we are, from being open to accountability and change, open to encounter and transformation? How can certain stories, in contrast, be a means to bring people with deep grievances to the table, to move them toward recognition and repair? How does poetry, like prayer, orient us toward something beyond ourselves, beyond our meaning-making capacities, and how is that sort of encounter, with all that lies beyond our understanding, important to a human life? If you’ve ever asked some version of the eternal question—do poems and stories and art-making matter? If so, what do they do?—don&#8217;t miss today’s episode.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Pádraig Ó Tuama reads some new poems, written as part of a collaborative project with some Scottish writers. He reads in both English and Irish. This joins bonus audio from many other writers including <span class="wysiwyg-font-size-12">Doireann Ní Ghríofa, Alice Oswald, Layli Long Soldier, Jorie Graham, Nikky Finney, Richard Powers, and more. To learn about subscribing to the bonus audio and the other potential benefits of becoming a listener-supporter of the show head over to the <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Between the Covers Patreon Page</a>.</span></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Adania Shibli : Minor Detail</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2021 13:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The latest book by Palestinian novelist Adania Shibli, <em>Minor Detail</em>, was a finalist for the National Book Award for Translated Literature, and longlisted for the International Booker Prize. Shibli talks about what it means that she doesn&#8217;t write <em>about</em> Palestine but rather <em>from</em> Palestine. And why for her, as a writer, so many of the questions of colonization, dehumanization, and ethnonationalism come down to questions of language. What types of sentences are created by the victors versus the vanquished? What shapes do the stories of each take? What happens to a language that can be only spoken in whispers? How do these two different approaches to language change one’s relationship to history, to memory? How can language’s failure, the absence of language, silence, even weakness, be brought into language and used against the dictatorship of a seamless, linear narrative?</p>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Writing On Your Own Terms with Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2021 14:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Originally delivered at the 2021 Tin House Summer Writers Workshop, Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore’s electrifying talk “Writing On Your Own Terms” explores what it means to write against the canonical imperative, to write against the world as it is, to instead write on your own terms, toward community, and specifically toward the community of people who might truly appreciate and understand your work.</p>
<p>Sycamore is the author and editor of many books and anthologies. Most recently she is the editor of <em>Between Certain Death and a Possible Future: Queer Writing on Growing Up with the AIDS Crisis </em>(forthcoming in October 2021) and the author of the 2021 PEN/Jean Stein Book Award finalist, <em>The Freezer Door. </em>Wayne Koestenbaum’s assessment of <em>The Freezer Door</em> seems particularly relevant to the theme of writing on one&#8217;s own terms: “Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore puts sex and gender, suffering and gentrification, encounter and solitude, at the center of a book that defies borders and uses language to dive directly into mystery. I admire Sycamore’s gossamer refusal ever to land anywhere definitive; the sentences travel further and further into trauma’s backyard, where complex ideas find a habitat among the simplest formulations. Sycamore, by breathing into the prose, treats the act of book-building as a practice strange and organic as sleeping, walking, bathing, eating. <em>The Freezer Door</em> delves into the philosophy of the sexual meetingplace with a virtually unprecedented aplomb.”</p>
<p>Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore first appeared on the show for a <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/mattilda-bernstein-sycamore-sketchtasy/">deep dive</a> into her last novel <em>Sketchtasy</em>. So if you are hungry for more Sycamore after this talk, as I’m confident you will be, this is a great place to go next. If you appreciate the show, consider becoming a supporter of Between the Covers. Check out the benefits and rewards of doing so at the Between the Covers <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Kaveh Akbar : Pilgrim Bell</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2021 00:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest, poet Kaveh Akbar, discusses his latest poetry collection <em>Pilgrim Bell. </em>Given that Akbar once suggested that syntax was identity, how do the changes in Akbar’s own poetry, from his first collection to now, reflect changes in himself as a person? Akbar talks about the ways in which poetry can be a spiritual technology, about the qualities poetry and prayer share, about the language and gesture of prayer, about the orbital nature of poetry, and about making room for silence and the unsayable in one’s poems.  Akbar also talks about revolutionary poetics. What would a revolutionary poetics look like? Who are good examples of poets whose poems and lives do real work in the world? How do we know if our poems are doing work or just fooling us into thinking so?</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive, Kaveh Akbar adds a reading and discussion of  “In Praise of the Laughing Worm,” a poem that, although he loves it, didn’t quite fit in the collection. This joins bonus audio from Jorie Graham, Alice Oswald, Nikky Finney, Douglas Kearney, Arthur Sze, Layli Long Soldier, Natalie Diaz, and many others. To find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio and about the many other potential benefits of becoming a listener-supporter of the show, including books and rare collectibles donated by past guests, head over to the <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Between the Covers Patreon page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Callum Angus : A Natural History of Transition</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Callum Angus’s <em>A Natural History of Transition</em> is described as a collection of short stories “that disrupts the notion that trans people can only have one transformation.” Angus talks about trans narratives, both the ones most commonly seen in the culture at large, and his notion of transness, not as a journey between two static gender poles, by a person “trapped in the wrong body,” but one of continual adaptation, reevaluation, and renewal. Callum Angus is particularly interested in the intersections between trans writing and nature writing. As the editorial statement for the journal he founded, <em><a href="https://www.smokeandmold.net/">smoke and mold</a></em>, says: “The trans body is considered ‘unnatural,’ its changes supposedly go ‘against nature,’ with few in mainstream literature, medicine, or history acknowledging that nature is nothing but change.”</p>
<p>We talk about why he chose to write fiction versus nonfiction, and chose fantastical fiction over realism, as the best way for him to explore transition in his protagonists and transition in the world at large. What does a story collection look like written by an author who isn’t trying to “tell a good story” but rather resist it? An author who thinks there is much power for ill in linear narratives and too-powerful stories? What possibilities open up for the short story form, for nature writing, for our understanding of the human within the larger natural world, when looked at through a trans lens?</p>
<p>We talk about many other writers in this conversation, from Rikki Ducornet to Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore, Reinaldo Arenas to John Keene. Keene’s <em>Counternarratives </em>was a particular inspiration for Angus’s new book and for the bonus audio archive Angus reads the short story “Mannahatta” for us. This joins bonus readings from John Keene himself, CAConrad, Garth Greenwell, Carmen Maria Machado, and many others. To find out how to subscribe to the bonus material and to check out the many other potential benefits of transforming yourself from a listener to a listener-supporter head over to the <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Between the Covers Patreon page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode with poet Douglas Kearney is about his latest book of poetry, <em>Sho, </em>and the poetry-performance album (with Haitian sound artist Val Jeanty) <em>Fodder. </em>Throughout Kearney’s career he has engaged with the tension between the stage and the page, the eye and the ear, the word and the body, all as a means to explore the contradictions of being Black in America. What does it mean to make the page into a stage, or to make the stage into a compositional space? How does Kearney critique the way anti-Black violence is made into spectacle, while himself being a Black performer who uses spectacle? What does a poetics that works against catharsis, against relief, entail and to what end? Why is Kearney skeeved out by simile and why does he find violence within metaphor? These questions only scratch the surface of a wide-ranging conversation that travels from Susan Howe to Public Enemy.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive, Kearney adds the reading of two new poems. These join readings by Ross Gay, Teju Cole, Nikky Finney, Jorie Graham, Layli Long Soldier, Arthur Sze, and many others. To learn more about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and to check out the many other potential benefits of becoming a listener-supporter of Between the Covers, head over to the <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Between the Covers Patreon page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Arthur Sze : The Glass Constellation : New &#038; Collected Poems</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2021 06:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Arthur Sze, winner of the 2019 National Book Award in Poetry for <em>Sight Lines</em>, joins David Naimon to discuss his latest book, <em>The Glass Constellation: New and Collected Poems. </em>Together they step back to take in a half century of Arthur’s work, not only how it has changed and why, tracking the growth of a poet and person across time, but also what animating questions, despite all the changes, have endured. They also step forward and look closely at questions of selfhood in relationship to poetry, how one decenters the controlling self when writing (and to what end), the place of the human in the more-than-human world, the relationship of the image to the word,  and what it means to aim to write as if there is no hierarchy between any one word and another. Arthur also talks about the role of divination, particularly the I Ching, in the crafting of some of his poems, and his engagement with everything from quantum physics to Native American cultures and languages (as professor emeritus at the Institute of American Indian Arts his students included Layli Long Soldier, Sherwin Bitsui, Orlando White, Santee Frazier, and dg nanouk okpik, among many others), as part of his poetry and poetics.</p>
<p>When Arthur has felt the need to grow as a poet, to break out of well-worn patterns of writing, but hasn’t known how or in what way to do so, he has often turned to translation as a way to move his writing into a new phase. In the main conversation we discuss the four different periods of translation for him over the past fifty years, the Chinese poetry he chose to translate in each era to help move his poetry forward. For the bonus audio archive Arthur introduces us to and reads some of the translations themselves, translations of poets from the Tang Dynasty, Chinese modernist poetry, and poems by contemporary Chinese poets. I encourage you to listen to the bonus audio <em>after</em> hearing our conversation as you’ll then really be able to track Arthur’s own development as a poet while listening to the poetry of others, both translated and read by him. To find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the other many potential benefits of becoming a listener-supporter of the show head over to the <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Between the Covers Patreon Page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Anakana Schofield : Bina</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 05:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest, Irish Canadian writer Anakana Schofield, joins us to talk about her latest novel, <em>Bina, </em>winner of the Kerry Group Irish Novel of the Year. <em>Bina </em>was also shortlisted for the 2020 Goldsmith Prize, awarded to fiction that pushes the boundaries of form (in the spirit of  Walter Benjamin who said “All great works of literature either dissolve a genre or invent one”). We talk about form as content, form as momentum (as a way to move story forward instead of plot), and form that both creates and reveals character. We also talk about Bina the protagonist, about the invisibility of older women, about social class in relation to storytelling, about centering people in one’s writing who have been shunted aside due to age, economic status, or gender. We talk about the declining value of the imagination in North American letters, how writers shouldn&#8217;t be asked to verify what is true in their imaginative works, and why women writers are often asked to uncover the “real” and confessional within their novels, far more than their male counterparts. All that said, this conversation begins with a discussion of humor and is full of anecdote, digression, and laughter throughout. I hope you’ll join us.</p>
<p>If you enjoy today’s conversation consider becoming a supporter of Between the Covers. To check out the possible benefits and rewards of doing so (from rare collectibles from writers like Ursula K. Le Guin and Nikky Finney, to becoming a Tin House Early Reader, receiving twelve books over the course of the year months before the general public, to getting resource-rich emails with each episode that point you to further things to explore after the conversation, provide links to things referenced within it, and where David shares the most remarkable finds he used to prepare for it) head over to the <a href="https://www.patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Between the Covers Patreon page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Doireann Ní Ghríofa : A Ghost in the Throat &#038; To Star the Dark</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2021 12:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Irish poet Doireann Ní Ghríofa joins us to talk about her latest poetry collection, <em>To Star the Dark, </em>and her prose debut, <em>A Ghost in the</em> <em>Throat</em>, a debut that has captured the imaginations (and all the awards) in Ireland and the UK and is just out now in North America. <em>A Ghost in the Throat </em>is wonderfully hard to categorize: a memoir, a work of historical fiction, an autofiction, a translation, a book about translation, a book about poetry, a book that <em>is</em> poetry. It is all of these things and yet reads less like a work of avant-garde literary experiment and more like a detective or adventure story, an act of literary archaeology, a love letter, and a reclamation against the erasure of women&#8217;s lives and women’s art.</p>
<p>We talk about the erasure of women, the erasure of motherhood in literature, the erasure of Irish language, Irish culture and the Irish social order under British colonization, and how she conjured the largely erased life of Eibhlín Dubh Ní Chonaill (who wrote the Caoineadh Airt Uí Laoghaire, one of the great laments of keens in Irish literature) in the face of such absence and silence. We also talk about translating the Caoineadh Airt Uí Laoghaire and about self-translation (of Doireann’s own Irish language poetry into English), about oral poetic traditions carried down from one woman’s body to another versus text-based poetry fixed to the page. All this and much more.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Doireann reads two contemporary poems she loves. “A Spider” by the Irish poet Colette Bryce and “Broom” by the American poet Deborah Digges. To learn more about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and about the many other potential benefits of becoming a listener-supporter of Between the Covers head over to the <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Between the Covers Patreon Page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Abdellah Taïa : A Country For Dying</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2021 23:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest, Moroccan writer and filmmaker Abdellah Taïa discusses his most recent novel <em>A Country For Dying </em>translated by Emma Ramadan and winner of the 2021 PEN Translation Award. We talk about voice in relation to self, story in relation to truth, writing in one’s second language, particularly a language imposed by colonization, about making that tongue bend to one’s reality, about being both Muslim and gay (as well as being the first openly homosexual Arab writer from Morocco), about why it is important not to write characters who are good, or only so, about Isabelle Adjani, the Zulawski film <em>Possession</em>, the role of possession and djinns in his work, and about creating a literature that does not itself come from literature, that does not come from books or speak to them.</p>
<p>A great complement to today’s conversation with Abdellah is the hour-long conversation with his translator Emma Ramadan which joins the Between the Covers bonus audio archive. Emma talks about what attracts her to Abdellah’s writing, about the resonances she sees between his work and that of Marguerite Duras, about the challenges of bringing his work into English, about translating explicit sex scenes, gender pronouns and gendered words, about sexism in the translation industry, about the benefits of co-translation, and about the relationship of translation to the body. To find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the many other potential benefits of becoming a listener-supporter of the show head over to the <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Between the Covers Patreon Page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Elissa Washuta : White Magic</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2021 13:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode of Between the Covers is with writer Elissa Washuta about <em>White Magic, </em>her new memoir in essays just out from Tin House. Elissa Washuta’s body of work, and <em>White Magic</em> is no exception, is deeply engaged with form, particularly in relationship to the telling of our own true stories. How do we find the right form to tell our stories? How much can we shape what we lived (into story, into narrative) and have it still remain true? What can we learn about our voices, our selves, from adopting the form of another? What are some ways to create new forms when none are sufficient to carry what we’ve experienced? This is the magic of <em>White Magic, </em>witnessing Elissa Washuta wield form like a spell, like a magic trick, like an act of divination, to conjure her voice and bring her story into words on the page the way she wants it, on its own terms. As Stephen Graham Jones says “White magic, red magic, Stevie Nicks magic—this is Elissa Washuta magic, which is a spell carved from a life, written in blood, and sealed in an honesty I can hardly fathom.”</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Elissa Washuta reads from the draft of an essay-in-progress called “Apocalypse Pathology.” This joins a wealth of bonus material from Carmen Maria Machado, Ted Chiang, Layli Long Soldier, Morgan Parker, Tommy Pico, Teju Cole, N. K. Jemisin, and many others. To learn how to subscribe to the bonus audio, and to check out the many other potential benefits of becoming a listener-supporter of the show head over to the <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Between the Covers Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Rikki Ducornet : Trafik</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2021 05:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Writer, poet, and painter Rikki Ducornet returns to Between the Covers to discuss her latest novel <em>Trafik </em>which is her first foray into science fiction. Ducornet’s body of work—surrealist, alchemical, gnostic, metamorphic—is sparked by the wonder and mystery of dreams, as well as by the shared company of the non-human other, the eels and butterflies and orcas and jaguars we share the earth with. What does it mean for such a writer to leave earth behind?  To imagine herself into a post-earth (post-home), post-human (post-body) world where everything we know is of our own creation? We talk about the real and the virtual, language as generative magic and language as weapon. We discuss surrealism (where if you open the <em>International Encyclopedia of Surrealism</em> you’ll find Rikki between Marcel Duchamp and Max Ernst) and the little acknowledged but vital ecological strain within it, one that challenges the anthropocentric view of the world, transgresses species classifications, and troubles notions of individual identity as well.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Rikki reads some of her poems for us. To find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive, or how to get a signed giclée reproduction of one of Rikki’s illustrations from the 1983 edition of Jorge Luis Borges’ <em>Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius</em>, or to check out the <em>many</em> other potential benefits of becoming a listener-supporter head over to the <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Between the Covers Patreon Page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Jorie Graham : Runaway</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2021 14:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest is poet Jorie Graham. We speak about her fifteenth book of poetry, <em>Runaway</em>. This latest book, along with the three that precede it—<em>Sea Change</em>, <em>Place,</em> and <em>Fast</em>—confronts our accelerating trajectory toward climate disaster. But as Lidija Haas says for <em>Harper’s Magazine</em>, Graham “in her poems remakes a world you can inhabit, one in which you can sense what it is you’re letting go of, now, before it’s gone.” We talk about what it means to engage with deep time as a poet, about (dis)embodiment, about soul-making, about finding collectivity through the sensorial and subjective, about apprenticeship and lineage, the line and the sentence, and much more.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Jorie discusses the many manifestations of rain, and then reads two rain poems, one by Edward Thomas, the other by Robert Creeley. To find out about how to subscribe to the bonus audio, among the other potential benefits and rewards of becoming a listener-supporter of the show, head over to the <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Between the Covers Patreon Page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Brandon Hobson : The Removed</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2021 14:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s Between the Covers conversation with Brandon Hobson is about his novel <em>The Removed</em>, his first book since his National Book Award finalist, <em>Where the Dead Sit Talking</em>. <em>The Removed </em>places us with the Echota family fifteen years after the death of their son Ray-Ray at the hands of the police, and in the long shadow of the forced removal of the Cherokee from their ancestral lands to modern-day Oklahoma where the book takes place.</p>
<p>We talk about writing into the silence surrounding police killings of Native people, writing against stereotype, against the expectations of the non-Native imagination, about the foster care system and its legacy in Native communities, and also about questions of form and language. Brandon talks about the influence Diane Williams has had on him on the sentence level. And if you are looking for a deep dive into syntax and the sentence, there is probably no better episode to go to after this than her <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/diane-williams-the-collected-stories-of-diane-williams/">past appearance</a> on the show.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Brandon Hobson reads from “The Man Came to Visit Us,” the lead story in the latest issue of <em>Noon</em>, Diane Williams’ magazine, where Brandon frequently appears. To learn more about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and the other potential benefits of becoming a listener-supporter, from joining our collective brainstorm which is shaping who we invite as guests going forward, to receiving resource-rich emails with each episode, to collectibles from your favorite writers, to becoming an Early Tin House Reader, receiving twelve books over the course of the year months before the general public, head over to the <a href="https://www.patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Between the Covers Patreon page</a>.</p>
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		<title>Viet Thanh Nguyen : The Committed</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2021 14:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest, Viet Thanh Nguyen, returns to Between the Covers after six years to discuss <em>The Committed</em>, his much-anticipated follow-up to the Pulitzer Prize–winning novel <em>The Sympathizer. </em>The second book in this trilogy finds our protagonist in the French Vietnamese community of Paris in the 1980s. We talk about the differences between France and the United States with regards to race and racism, communism, socialism, and revolution, and how that shapes the discourse within the Vietnamese communities in each country. We talk about the history of the term Asian American in this context, about ethical memory and what it requires of an individual and a community, about being a refugee versus an immigrant, about Francophone postcolonial and revolutionary thought—from Frantz Fanon to Jean-Paul Sartre to Hélène Cixous to Aimé Césaire—and much more.</p>
<p>You can listen to our first conversation from 2015 <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/viet-thanh-nguyen-the-sympathizer/">here</a>.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Viet talks about the importance of the work of Edward P. Jones and Maxine Hong Kingston for him as a writer, and reads excerpts from each of them to demonstrate why they are influential upon his work. To learn more about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and to look through the other potential rewards and gifts and content available to listener-supporters head over to the <a href="https://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Between the Covers Patreon Page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Ross Gay : Be Holding</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2021 19:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s Between the Covers conversation is with the poet Ross Gay about <em>Be Holding</em>, his book-length poem that emerges from a sustained meditation on a mere few seconds of the basketball career of Julius Erving (aka Dr. J). <em>Be Holding</em> is a finalist for this year’s PEN/Jean Stein Book Award, given to a work “which has broken new ground by reshaping the boundaries of its form and signaling strong potential for lasting influence.” (This year’s judges are Vievee Francis, Fred Moten, and Tommy Orange).</p>
<p>Whether you love basketball or break out in hives at the mention of sports, do watch the <a class="_ps2id" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhdGihdnSKQ" data-ps2id-offset="">video of Dr. J’s move, </a> a move that is akin as much to dance or song or even poetry, as it is to athletics.</p>
<p>How is joy inseparable from death? Flight connected to entanglement? Looking to growing? Dr. J to mushrooms and trees, fathers and gardens, birds and cameras? What can we learn about the act of looking, the act of beholding, when it comes to the making of art, to the writing of poems? Join us to find out all of this and much more.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Ross Gay reads a poem by Jean Valentine and talks to us about her. To find out more about how to subscribe to the bonus audio and to explore the wealth of potential gifts and rewards and benefits of becoming a listener-supporter of Between the Covers head over to the show’s Patreon page <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">here</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Teju Cole : Fernweh</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2021 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s guest is writer, photographer, critic, and curator Teju Cole. In this extended conversation, we use Cole’s latest photo book <em>Fernweh </em>as a lens through which to look at his entire career, from his novels to his essay collection, from his collaborative work of image-text to the curation of his Spotify playlists. “<span class="TextRun BCX0 SCXW34104289" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun BCX0 SCXW34104289">Who is a stranger?</span></span><span class="TextRun BCX0 SCXW34104289" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun BCX0 SCXW34104289"> </span></span><span class="TextRun BCX0 SCXW34104289" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun BCX0 SCXW34104289">Who is kin?</span></span><span class="TextRun BCX0 SCXW34104289" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun BCX0 SCXW34104289"> </span></span><span class="TextRun BCX0 SCXW34104289" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun BCX0 SCXW34104289">What do we owe each other?</span></span><span class="TextRun BCX0 SCXW34104289" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun BCX0 SCXW34104289"> </span></span><span class="TextRun BCX0 SCXW34104289" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun BCX0 SCXW34104289">What, in the inferno, is not infernal?” he asks at the beginning of <em>Human Archipelago</em>.  We explore how these questions echo through his work, and look carefully at the nature of looking itself, and the ethics of how we look and what we show.  </span></span></p>
<p>Teju Cole has added a remarkable three-part reading to the Between the Covers bonus audio archive, one where each of the three texts chosen is in conversation with the others. He begins by reading from John Berger’s <em>The Shape of a Pocket, </em>then from poet Etel Adnan speaking on prehistoric cave paintings and painters, and finally he gives us a glimpse from his forthcoming essay collection <em>Black Paper, </em>reading a piece addressed to John Berger himself. You can find out more about the bonus audio archive and the many other potential benefits of becoming a listener-supporter of the show at the <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Between the Covers Patreon page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Nnedi Okorafor : Remote Control</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2021 06:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode is with one of today’s great writers of science fiction and fantasy, Nnedi Okorafor. Using her new novella <em>Remote Control</em> (Tor Books) as a lens and a frame, we discuss the difference between Afrofuturism and Africanfuturism, questions of hybrid identity and home within her stories, her use of Nigerian, Namibian, and Ghanian cosmologies to build worlds, how she harnesses anger as a fuel and fear as a creative beacon, her pivotal phone call with Octavia Butler, and why LeVar Burton thinks she should be on any team assembled for first contact with an alien species.</p>
<p>As an aside, Nnedi Okorafor, after winning the World Fantasy Award for <em>Who Fears Death</em>, was involved in the successful push to have H.P. Lovecraft removed as the likeness of the statuette. We only touch on this briefly but one could assemble a nice thread of past Between the Covers conversations that either explicitly or implicitly engage with Lovecraft and his legacy. In reverse chronological order the episodes that come to mind are with: <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/n-k-jemisin-the-city-we-became/">N.K. Jemisin</a>, <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/daniel-jose-older-the-book-of-lost-saints/">Daniel José Older</a>,  <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/jeff-vandermeer-borne/">Jeff Vandermeer</a> and <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/china-mieville-on-embassytown/">China Miéville</a>.</p>
<p>If you enjoy today’s program and want to learn about the potential benefits and rewards of becoming a listener-supporter (from Ursula K. Le Guin collectibles to craft talks by Marlon James) you can find out more at the <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Between the Covers Patreon page.</a></p>
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		<title>Vanessa Veselka : The Great Offshore Grounds</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2021 17:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Vanessa Veselka returns to Between the Covers, eight years after her first appearance, to discuss her new novel <em>The Great Offshore Grounds. </em>Longlisted for this year’s National Book Award in Fiction, Roxane Gay calls <em>The Great Offshore Grounds</em> epic, original, and “utterly engrossing.” Lidia Yuknavitch adds: “<span class="TextRun BCX0 SCXW2645490" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="auto"><span class="NormalTextRun BCX0 SCXW2645490">This novel is thrilling in its content, daring in heart, and makes a helix between a novel of ideas and the best damn story of women who forge their identities on their own terms that I’ve read in years.”</span></span><span class="TextRun BCX0 SCXW2645490" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="none"><span class="NormalTextRun BCX0 SCXW2645490"> </span></span></p>
<p>You can listen to Vanessa’s first appearance on Between the Covers for her <span class="TextRun BCX0 SCXW2645490" lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US" data-contrast="none"><span class="NormalTextRun BCX0 SCXW2645490">PEN/Robert W. Bingham prize-winning debut <em>Zazen </em><a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/vanessa-veselka-on-zazen/">here</a></span></span>. In the fall of 2021, <em>Zazen</em> will be reissued by Vintage for its 10th anniversary.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Vanessa, a musician for several decades before becoming a writer, performs a song. Learn more about the bonus audio archive and the other potential benefits and rewards of becoming a listener-supporter at: patreon.com/betweenthecovers</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Publishing, Power Structures &#038; Creative Practice with Leni Zumas &#038; Janice Lee</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2020 17:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This Tin House Live conversation between Leni Zumas and Janice Lee, “Publishing, Power Structures, and Creative Practice,” was recorded at the summer 2020 Tin House Writers Workshop.</p>
<p>Leni Zumas is the author most recently of the novel <em>Red Clocks</em>, a <em>New York Times</em> Book Review Editors’ Choice and winner of the Oregon Book Award for Fiction. She is also the author of <em>Farewell Navigator: Stories</em> (Open City) and <em>The Listeners</em> (Tin House). Leni has appeared on Between the Covers twice previously. Her first appearance was also the show’s first discussion of hybrid and/or genre-indeterminate writing and the only episode that interviews a collaborative pair, Leni Zumas (writer) and Luca Dipierro (artist), about their work <em><a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/leni-zumas-luca-dipierro-a-wooden-leg/">A Wooden Leg: A Novel in 64 Cards</a>. </em>Leni returned to the program more recently <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/leni-zumas-red-clocks/">to discuss <em>Red Clocks</em></a>.</p>
<p>Janice Lee is the founder and executive editor of <em>Entropy, </em>contributing editor at <em>Fanzine, </em>co-founder of The Accomplices, and co-publisher of the press Civil Coping Mechanisms<em>. </em>She is also the author of seven books of fiction, nonfiction, and poetry, including <em>The Sky Isn’t Blue</em>, <em>Reconsolidation, </em>and<em> Damnation, </em>a book-length meditation on the films of Hungarian director Béla Tarr. Her latest novel, <em>Imagine A Death</em>, whose publishing journey they discuss in today’s episode, a novel about inherited trauma, the apocalypse, and interspecies communication, will be published in 2021 by Texas Review Press.</p>
<p>Leni Zumas and Janice Lee both teach in the MFA program at Portland State University. At the beginning of this conversation they reference, and Janice reads from, her 2019 essay “<a href="https://vol1brooklyn.com/2019/12/04/books-are-not-products-they-are-bridges-challenging-linear-ideas-of-success-in-literary-publishing/">Books Are Not Products, They Are Bridges: Challenging Linear Ideas of Success in Literary Publishing</a>.”</p>
<p>To learn more about the benefits and the potential rewards of becoming a listener-supporter of Between the Covers visit the show’s <a href="https://www.patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon page</a>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Natalie Diaz : Postcolonial Love Poem : Part Two</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2020 06:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode of <em>Between the Covers</em> is a first for the show, a return to and extension of a recent episode with Natalie Diaz.  Today’s ‘part two’ does not entirely depend upon part one, but it does refer back to it with frequency.  So if you would like to get the fullest experience begin <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/natalie-diaz-postcolonial-love-poem/">here</a>.</p>
<p>In both episodes we take each of the three individual words in Natalie’s most recent National Book Award–shortlisted poetry collection <em>Postcolonial Love Poem </em>and look at Natalie’s work through the lens of each.  Today we focus on the word ‘poem’ and look at poetic lineage, writing poetry under occupation, the oral vs. the written, the use of repetition, the role of time, and what writing ‘in the wake’ and under the influence of water might mean.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Alice Oswald : Nobody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2020 10:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode of <em>Between the Covers </em>is a conversation with poet and classicist Alice Oswald. Widely considered one of our great living poets, Oswald is the 46th professor of poetry at the University of Oxford, and the first woman to hold the poetry chair in its over three centuries of existence. Perhaps best known for <em>Memorial</em>, her radical revocalizing of the <em>Iliad, </em>Oswald speaks today of her latest book, <em>Nobody, </em>another engagement with and reimagining of Homer, this time the <em>Odyssey. </em>Originally conceived in collaboration with the abstract watercolorist William Tillyer, <em>Nobody </em>is a book deeply informed by the sea. We talk about Oswald’s lifelong engagement with water in her work, the relationship between water and the mind, the Homeric way of seeing the world, and what makes a poem come alive.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Alice reads two things: 1) a sampling of some of the impossible-to-answer questions asked by God in the Book of Job and 2) a short ballad she wrote called <em>Emerald </em>as another partial response to a question Anne Carson asks her in the main interview. Find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive and about the other potential benefits and rewards of becoming a listener-supporter of the show at: <a href="http://Patreon.com/betweenthecovers">Patreon.com/betweenthecovers</a></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Writing Pop Culture with Shayla Lawson &#038; Hanif Abdurraqib</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2020 15:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Join poet-essayists Hanif Abdurraqib &amp; Shayla Lawson for an extended conversation on writing pop culture (and so much more).  This conversation was recorded at the 2020 Tin House Writers Workshop.  Shayla&#8217;s most recent book is <em>This is Major: Notes on Diana Ross, Dark Girls and Being Dope </em>&amp; Hanif&#8217;s next book is <em>A Little Devil in America: Notes in Praise of Black Performance.</em></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t miss Hanif&#8217;s <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/hanif-abdurraqib-a-fortune-for-your-disaster/">first appearance</a> on Between the Covers as well, for his most recent poetry collection from Tin House Books, <em>A Fortune for your Disaster, </em>a great follow-up to today&#8217;s episode.</p>
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		<title>Elisa Gabbert : The Unreality of Memory</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2020 19:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Amid impending disasters too vast even to be perceived, what can we do―cognitively, morally, and practically? Gabbert, a tenacious researcher and a ruthless self-examiner, probes this ultimate abstraction in her essays, goes past wordless dread and comes up with enough reasoned consideration to lead us through. Do you feel―and how can you not―as if your emotional endurance is exhausted by horrors already well underway? Then you should read this book.” ―Sarah Manguso</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Ayad Akhtar : Homeland Elegies</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2020 12:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“An urgent, intimate hybrid of memoir and fiction, <i>Homeland Elegies</i> lays bare the broken heart of our American dream turned reality TV nightmare. The book . . . brilliantly captures how we got to this exact moment in time and at what cost. Stunning.” —A. M. Homes</p>
<p>“An unflinchingly honest self-portrait by a brilliant Muslim-American writer, and, beyond that, an unsparing examination of both sides of that fraught hyphenated reality. Passionate, disturbing, unputdownable.” —Salman Rushdie</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Natalie Diaz : Postcolonial Love Poem : Part One</title>
		<link>https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/natalie-diaz-postcolonial-love-poem/</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2020 00:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s conversation is with poet Natalie Diaz, author of the National Book Award shortlisted collection <em>Postcolonial Love Poem.  </em>We talk today about questions of postcoloniality, about love and postcolonial love, about writing poetry under occupation, the fine line between participation and complicity, about empathy and what cannot be translated and about the sensuality that arises from what can&#8217;t be known of another.</p>
<p>For the bonus audio archive Natalie talks about and reads from Jorge Luis Borges&#8217; <em>Book of Imaginary Beings.  </em>To find out how to subscribe to the bonus audio archive and the other rewards and benefits of becoming a listener-supporter of Between the Covers head over to:  <a href="http://patreon.com/betweenthecovers">patreon.com/betweenthecovers</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Getting Past the Gatekeepers with Mira Jacob &#038; Kaitlyn Greenidge</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2020 15:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="tribe-events-single-event-title">In “Getting Past the Gatekeepers: How to Keep Writing in an Industry that Excludes Us,” Kaitlyn Greenidge and Mira Jacob discuss their combined 30+ years of experience navigating literary publishing. From the first feedback to the final copyedits, they discuss strategies to stay sane and keep writing when your story doesn’t fit the industry&#8217;s narrow bookshelf.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Jenny Erpenbeck : Not a Novel : A Memoir in Pieces</title>
		<link>https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/jenny-erpenbeck-not-a-novel-a-memoir-in-pieces/</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“This collection of essays, memoirs and critical pieces forms an intellectual biography of Europe’s most history-obsessed writer. Beginning with her childhood in East Berlin in the early ’60s and ’70s, the book moves in concentric circles, from the intimate and understatedly moving to the moment History collides with her life. A powerful voice singing the past into the present’s melody.” —John Freeman, Lit Hub</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Mary-Kim Arnold : The Fish &#038; The Dove</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2020 01:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“In <em>The Fish &amp; The Dove</em>, Mary-Kim Arnold’s lyrical scope sweeps across intersecting terrains, moving through time to capture the history of occupation and legacy war in Korea, through the delicate tethers between biological mother, adoptive mother, motherland and daughter, and through the permeable membranes which exist between person and place. . . . With this fiercely tender offering, she lays bare multiple wars: ones between countries, in memory, within a family, as well as the ones between women and men. . . . ʻ[T]ime is a robe stitched through with ash’ that Arnold keeps ʻtrying to shake off.’ And it is an astonishing sight to behold.” —Diana Khoi Nguyen</p>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Queer Beatitudes with Brandon Taylor &#038; Garth Greenwell</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2020 13:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A conversation between Brandon Taylor &amp; Garth Greenwell about queer aesthetics, “problematic art,” representation, and much more.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Jeannie Vanasco : Things We Didn&#8217;t Talk About When I Was a Girl</title>
		<link>https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/jeannie-vanasco-things-we-didnt-talk-about-when-i-was-a-girl/</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2020 15:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“It’s hard to overstate the importance of this gorgeous, harrowing, heartbreaking book, which tackles sexual violence and its aftermath while also articulating the singular pain of knowing—or loving, or caring for, or having a history with—one’s rapist. Vanasco is whip-smart and tender, open and ruthless; she is the perfect guide through the minefield of her trauma, and ours.” —Carmen Maria Machado</p>
<p>“I wish everyone in this country would read it.” —Melissa Febos</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Bassey Ikpi &#038; Melissa Febos on the Anatomy of Melancholy</title>
		<link>https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/tin-house-live-conversation-bassey-ikpi-melissa-febos-on-the-anatomy-of-melancholy/</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2020 16:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Anatomy of Melancholy” is a conversation between Melissa Febos &amp; Bassey Ikpi at the 2020 Tin House Summer Writers Workshop.  Febos &amp; Ikpi talk about making narrative (and aesthetic) sense out of the darkest parts of one’s past.</p>
<p>Bassey Ikpi is the <em>New York Times</em> bestselling author of <em>I’m Telling the Truth But I’m Lying </em>and founder of The Siwe Project<b>,</b> a worldwide non-profit dedicated to promoting mental health awareness throughout the global black community.</p>
<p>Melissa Febos is the author of the critically acclaimed memoir <em>Whip Smart, </em>the beloved essay collection<em> Abandon Me </em>(for which she <a href="https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/melissa-febos-abandon-me/">first appeared</a> on Between the Covers), and her upcoming second essay collection <em>Girlhood. </em>She teaches in the Nonfiction Writing Program at the University of Iowa.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Lauren Camp : Took House</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2020 21:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="p1"><span class="s1">“In Lauren Camp’s <i>Took House</i> we are enveloped in a poetry both precise and mysterious, intimate and sublime. Reading through these poems, I was reminded of the tenet that poetry is not like the interior life, but is the interior life, the thing itself made flesh via language. . . . Here is a poet articulating her human existence . . . here is a particular heart and mind removing its shield in order to commune, to help us see the world again, more deeply and more strangely, and reader, I am grateful.” </span><span class="s1">—Allison Benis White</span></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Joe Sacco : Paying the Land</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2020 13:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><i>“</i>Sacco is a talent entirely unto himself, applying an exquisitely fine eye for detail to the urgent histories that define the world around us. . . . Now, Sacco brings that eye to the lives of the Dene people in the Canadian subarctic, getting the full picture as only he can.” —Jonny Diamond, Literary Hub</p>
<p><i>“</i>A tour de force . . . luminous . . . What begins as an exploration of the effects of fracking on Native lands sprawls into a haunted history of an entire civilization.” —Ed Park, <em>The New York Times</em> Book Review</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Lidia Yuknavitch : Verge</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2020 12:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“<em>Verge </em>is a bouquet of dynamite: explosive, deadly, and spectacularly beautiful. These stories captivated me like modern fairy tales, and like those dark lessons they showed me how resilience is forged through survival, beauty through brokenness, joy by fire. The women who occupy them are my favorite kinds of heroines: as flawed as they are furious, as bold as they are tender. I won&#8217;t soon forget them.” —Melissa Febos</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Lacy M. Johnson On Likability</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2020 15:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s talk, <i>“</i>On Likability” by Lacy M. Johnson, was given at the 2018 Tin House Writers Workshop. It later became an essay, one selected by Rebecca Solnit for <em>The Best American Essays 2019</em>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Philip Metres : Shrapnel Maps</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2020 13:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><i>“Shrapnel Maps </i>is so beautiful. Half dream, half nightmare, all real. Filled with the remnants of what people hope for and what they are willing to do, and everything that remains afterwards. It’s a confrontation to identity and it dares to conjugate love as a defiance to the capacity of violence. Extraordinary. . . . elegant and devastating and compelling and complex.” —Pádraig Ó Tuama, poet, theologian, and conflict mediator</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Lidia Yuknavitch on “Writing from the Deep Cut”</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2020 12:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Lidia Yuknavitch gave this craft talk, <i>“</i>Writing from the Deep Cut,” at the 2018 Tin House Writers Workshop<span id=":92.co" class="tL8wMe EMoHub" dir="ltr">. As Lidia says: <i>“</i>We are (always) living in tumultuous times. The despair and trauma fracture our life narratives daily, culturally and personally. And yet we endure, make love, make art, we keep creating. There is so much to learn from the edge of things, from the cracks and cuts and fissures of the earth, of our hearts. What can writing become? What new narrative strategies are emerging? How might we become and story ourselves differently? How might more bodies and stories and voices emerge as the old mono stories break apart? Storytelling is a site of resistance and generative possibility, in all times.”</span></p>]]></description>
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		<title>N.K. Jemisin : The City We Became</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“<em>The City We Became</em> is a wonderfully inventive love letter to New York City that spans the multiverse. A big middle finger to Lovecraft with a lot of heart, creativity, smarts and humor. A timely and audacious allegorical tale for our times. This book is all these things and more.” —Rebecca Roanhorse</p>
<p>“The most important speculative writer of her generation . . . She’s that good.” —John Scalzi</p>
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		<title>Nikky Finney : Love Child&#8217;s Hotbed of Occasional Poetry</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2020 12:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><i>“Love Child’s Hotbed of Occasional Poetry</i> is a 21st-century paean to the sterling love songs humming throughout four hundred years of black American life.” —Lit Hub</p>
<p>“Her poems elide the generational and the personal with ample music. They are, therefore, more than taut with vital details; they are alive with nuance and contrast, where doom is rightfully proximate to creation and grace.” —<em>Sewanee Review</em></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Rebecca Makkai on The Ear of the Story</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2020 12:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Given at the 2019 Tin House Summer Workshop, Rebecca Makkai’s craft talk “You Talkin’ to Me?: The ‘Ear’ of the Story” looks at an important but underappreciated aspect of story craft, the flip side of point of view, the point of telling.  In her words, “Who is the story’s implied listener? Are you casting your listeners as people who already know this world or people who need to be filled in? And what are the political and artistic implications of glossing a culture or setting for readers who don’t know it?”</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Fernanda Melchor : Hurricane Season</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2020 12:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Fernanda Melchor is part of a wave of real writing, a multi-tongue, variform, generationless, decadeless, ageless wave, that American contemporary literature must ignore if it is to hold on to its infantile worldview.” —Jesse Ball</p>
<p>Shortlisted for the 2020 Booker Prize, <em>Hurricane Season</em> is the English-language debut of one of the most thrilling and accomplished young Mexican writers, and her conversation on Between the Covers is Melchor’s first radio/podcast discussion of it in English.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Hanif Abdurraqib : A Fortune For Your Disaster</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2020 13:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="p1">“<em>A Fortune for Your Disaster</em> proves that, if you pay attention, Black people have defined and still define themselves for themselves amid roses and dandelions, cardinals and violets, the blues of music and police uniforms, prayer and swagger. . . . The disaster is not us or ours but what we endure, forced and as a matter of course, whether our presence is acknowledged or not, on our terms or not. As death insists on invading our lives, we keep making more and more beauty in order to survive it. . . . The beauty of our excellence is soundtracked by love and violence. . . . The fortune is us and it is ours. With a music as richly profound as we are, Abdurraqib makes it undeniably so.” —Khadijah Queen</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : How to Write a Hoax Poem with Kevin Young</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2020 13:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><em>The New Yorker</em> poetry editor and host of <em>The New Yorker</em> poetry podcast, Kevin Young, delivered this talk, “How to Write a Hoax Poem,” at the 2014 Tin House Writers Workshop. He discusses some of the more notable modern poetry hoaxes, glimpsing into the secret history of the poem as something conceived to tempt or even trick. By understanding the ways the hoax works, Young suggests that we may better know our own assumptions, habits, and hurts, and how to subvert them in our writing.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Rachel Zucker : SoundMachine</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Whether speaking about motherhood, grief, or poetry, Zucker’s unrelenting eye and wittily critical voice peel back these experiences to reveal insights that are both deeply human and uncompromisingly analytic. . . . Above all, this book is open—open about difficult subjects, open in the way its language operates, open in its willingness to create a psychological intimacy between the speaker and the reader.” —Morgan Levine for <em>The Columbia Review</em></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Power &#038; Audience, On Not Writing for White People with Ingrid Rojas Contreras</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Ingrid Rojas Contreras’ talk <em>“</em>Power &amp; Audience: On Not Writing for White People” was given at the 2019 Tin House Summer Workshop in Portland, Oregon. In this talk she references a <a href="https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/publisher-news/article/82284-new-lee-and-low-survey-shows-no-progress-on-diversity-in-publishing.html">2019 Publishing Industry Survey</a> and <a href="https://blog.leeandlow.com/2020/01/28/2019diversitybaselinesurvey/">a series of pie charts</a> showing the racial, gender, sexual orientation, and ability breakdown of various subsets of the publishing industry. Contreras also further discusses these themes, in relationship to the recent controversy over the book <em>American Dirt,</em> in her new essay at The Cut called <em>“</em><a href="https://www.thecut.com/2020/02/why-is-jeanine-cumminss-american-dirt-a-thriller.html">There’s Nothing Thrilling About Trauma</a>.”</p>
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		<title>Tin House Live : On Dialogue with Dorothy Allison</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2020 13:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dorothy Allison treated the participants of the 2011 Summer Workshop to a spirited discussion of how characters should speak on the page. Not only <em>“</em>he said, she said, none of them said a thing,” but a whole range of language issues—what is said and not said, dialect and rhythm, pacing, patterns in speech, and most importantly, the language of gesture and avoidance.</p>
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		<title>Mark Haber : Reinhardt&#8217;s Garden</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><span class="truncate_more"><em>“Reinhardt’s Garden</em> is one of those perfect books that looks small and exotic and melancholic from the outside but, once in, is immense and exultant in the best possible way. Think <em>Amulet </em>by Roberto Bolaño, think <em>Nightwood </em>by Djuna Barnes, think <em>Train Dreams</em> by Denis Johnson, think <em>Wide Sargasso Sea</em> by Jean Rhys, think <em>Zama</em> by Antonio Di Benedetto, think <em>The Loser</em> by Thomas Bernhard. Think.” —Rodrigo Fresán</span></p>]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2020 12:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Novelists don’t need to dream the end of the world anymore—they need to wake up to it. Jenny Offill is one of today’s few essential voices, because she writes about essential things, in sentences so clipped and glittering it’s as if they are all cut from one diamond.” –Jonathan Dee</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Lance Olsen : My Red Heaven</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2020 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Lance Olsen locates his porous, alluring, heartbreaking, and haunted narrative in Berlin on a day in 1927. Poised at a moment of such hope and doom, it is a ravishing meditation on history, on time, and on what it is to be alive.” —Carole Maso</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : &#8220;From First Draft to Plot&#8221; with Alexander Chee</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2020 15:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Alexander Chee delivered this craft lecture, from “First Draft to Plot,” at the 2016 Tin House Summer Workshop. Chee is the author most recently of the essay collection <em>How to Write an Autobiographical Novel</em>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Garth Greenwell : Cleanness</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Feb 2020 15:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Garth Greenwell, whose first book is a masterpiece, amazingly has written a second book that is also a masterpiece. The great enterprise that Joyce and Lawrence began—to write with utter literal candor about sex, grounding one’s moral life and philosophical insight in what that candor reveals about us—finds fulfillment, a late apotheosis, in Greenwell’s work. <em>Cleanness</em> is the act of a master.” —Frank Bidart</p>]]></description>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“<em>In the</em> <em>Dream House . . . </em>confronts the issues of credibility, self-doubt, and disbelief that all too frequently arise when survivors of domestic abuse speak out. But the work also stands as an intervention explicitly aimed at the silences, erasures, and lacunae of the culture at large . . . Machado’s <em>In the Dream House</em> shows us that a narrative of lesbian domestic abuse can be her story told in precisely her way—a human story, full of artistry, candor, and grace.” —James W. Fuerst</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Jericho Brown on Suicide &#038; Joy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2020 15:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Jericho Brown gave these two talks, on suicide, and on joy, at the 2016 Tin House Summer Workshop in Portland, Oregon.  His latest poetry collection <em>The Tradition</em> (Copper Canyon Press) was a finalist for the 2019 National Book Award.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>E. J. Koh : The Magical Language of Others</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“In <em>The Magical Language of Others</em>, E. J. Koh writes of the boundary between anonymity and naming, between absence and abandonment, between cruelty and safety for four generations of mothers and daughters, each speaking with an occupied heart and crossing narrative borders between Korea, Japan, and America. As a reader, you give yourself over to her narrative territory and the resetting of the borders of lineage, language, and lives lost.” —Shawn Wong</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Karthika Naïr : Until the Lions : Echoes from the Mahabharata</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2020 15:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><span class="blurb-quote">“In this retelling of the Mahabharata from the point of view of its hitherto minor female characters, Karthika Naïr uncovers a seminal feminist text. <i>Until the Lions</i> makes dazzling use of concrete verse and surreptitious rhyme to tell a story you think you know. By poem’s end you understand, with gratitude, that you know nothing and the old world has been made new. This is nervy and accomplished poetry. Listen.” </span>—<span class="blurb-source">Jeet Thayil</span></p>]]></description>
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		<title>CAConrad : Resurrect Extinct Vibration</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2019 14:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“CAConrad always argues (from the inside of their poems) for a poetry of radical inclusivity while keeping a very queer shoulder to the wheel. Their kind of queerness strikes me as nonpolarizing, not intentionally but because of the fullness of their exposition, a kind of gigantism that seems to me to be most deeply informed by love, and a tenderness for the ravages and tumult of existence.” —Eileen Myles</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Daniel José Older : The Book of Lost Saints</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Dec 2019 15:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Older’s spellbinding novel is a fever dream full of magic and loss, wickedness and grace, faith and love, spirit and power.” —Marlon James;  “A lyrical, beautiful, devastating, literally haunting journey of assimilation, resistance, and family. Older just gets better and better.” —N.K. Jemisin</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Jake Skeets : Eyes Bottle Dark with a Mouthful of Flowers</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Jake Skeets takes us to ‘The Indian Capital of the World,’ a landscape of erosion and erasure, where ‘boys only hold boys / like bottles’ and eros is a dangerous thing. In the brush and horseweed, ghosts and trains and abandoned trailers, a young Diné attempts to answer all the question marks of adolescence and early adulthood, desire and death commingling around him. These are poems born of unspokenness, testing the limits of language, love, and silence.”―D. A. Powell</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : On Writing Toward Joy : Garth Greenwell, Kelly Link &#038; Justin Torres</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2019 23:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Recorded on the final day of the 2019 Tin House Summer Writers Workshop, the panel “On Writing Towards Joy” ended the week on a high note. Moderated by Tin House Assistant Books Editor Elizabeth DeMeo, panelists Kelly Link, Garth Greenwell, and Justin Torres unpack a rarely discussed topic. How does one create joy on the page, in the reader? What are the craft questions and existential ones regarding joy? And what exactly is joy and to what ends should it be pursued?</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Richard Powers : The Overstory</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Nov 2019 22:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“This book is beyond special. Richard Powers manages to turn trees into vivid and engaging characters, something that indigenous people have done for eons but that modern literature has rarely if ever even attempted. It’s not just a completely absorbing, even overwhelming book; it’s a kind of breakthrough in the ways we think about and understand the world around us, at a moment when that is desperately needed.”—Bill McKibben</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Zadie Smith : Grand Union</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2019 22:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Grand Union is an unusual creature, combining all the experimental exuberance of a writer discovering a form with the technical prowess of one at the height of her abilities. The result is exhilarating. Between the covers of one book, readers will find such disparate forms as allegory, parable, speculative thriller and satire, as well as shorter incarnations of Smith’s characteristic social comedy . . . Smith’s voracious intellect is on full display.” —San Francisco Chronicle</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Readings by Garth Greenwell, Michelle Tea, Kaveh Akbar</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Recorded at the 2019 Tin House Summer Writers Workshop at Reed College in Portland, Oregon, today’s episode is a medley of readings from three different nights. Garth Greenwell reads from his upcoming novel Cleanness (FSG January 2020), Michelle Tea from her novel-in-progress, Little Faggot, and Kaveh Akbar the short and long poems “Vines” and “The Palace” respectively.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Rob Schlegel : In the Tree Where the Double Sex Sleeps</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2019 22:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Rob Schlegel has a voice you’d follow into the dark woods, knowing full well it’s hard, awful, daily, plain, living truth you’re running toward. The speaker in this book is a heartbreaker of a storyteller—a synesthesiac of mixed feelings, bad news, and wordsmithery. I feel known, caught out, believed in, vulnerable, when I read this book.”—Brenda Shaughnessy, judge, Iowa Poetry Prize</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tin House Live : Revision Panel with R.O. Kwon, Karen Shepard, Danielle Evans, Jamel Brinkley</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2019 22:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Finding the Life of the Story: Vision &amp; Revision” was recorded at the 2019 Tin House Summer Writers Workshop. Panelists Karen Shepard, Danielle Evans, R.O. Kwon and Jamel Brinkley talk strategies to draft and revise. Moderated by David Naimon, host of Between the Covers.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Xuan Juliana Wang : Home Remedies</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2019 19:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Filled with characters who mirror the chaos and anxiety, exhilaration and despair, desire and fear of the world around them, Home Remedies offers searing portraits of millennial Chinese immigrants. . . . Wang’s shimmering words offer proof that even the most mundane of these lives have the potential to become something extraordinary. . . . A great, explosive talent.”—Nylon Magazine</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Ayşe Papatya Bucak : The Trojan War Museum</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Sep 2019 14:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“These are stories that reflect the author’s Turkish heritage and a curiosity about our human search for meaning as profound as it is lyrical. The stories are music. They beguile and illuminate with narratives about yearning and desire, circumstance and courage, resilience and discovery.”—NPR</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Brandon Shimoda : The Grave on the Wall</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“If someone asked me what a poet’s history might look and read like, I would say Brandon Shimoda’s The Grave on the Wall. It is part dream, part memory, part forgetting, part identity. It is a remarkable exploration of how citizenship is forged by the brutal US imperial forces—through slave labor, forced detention, indiscriminate bombing, historical amnesia and wall. If someone asked me, where are you from? I would answer, from The Grave on the Wall.”—Don Mee Choi</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Elvia Wilk : Oval</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Aug 2019 14:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“J. G. Ballard meets William Gibson meets Jeff VanderMeer. Oval is an up-to-the-minute story about the twilight zones of corporate design, aesthetics, pharmacy, and bioengineering, where there’s nothing consultants won’t break in the quest for ‘innovation.’ What could possibly go wrong? Find out in Elvia Wilk’s crisp and stylish debut book.”—McKenzie Wark</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Max Porter : Lanny</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2019 14:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“In Lanny Max Porter has expanded on his innovative hybrid mode while remaining faithful to our species-wide tradition of storytelling through myth, magic, and parable, but also through the harrowing minutiae of being alive in the trying hours of a small town ruptured by loss. The result is a powerful yet tender reclamation of the imagination, love, and artmaking—all of it a brilliant defense of the outsider’s tenuous foothold in society.” —Ocean Vuong</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Ted Chiang : Exhalation</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jul 2019 14:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Ted Chiang has no contemporary peers when it comes to the short story form. His name deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Carver, Poe, Borges, and Kafka. Every story is a universe. Every story is a diamond. You will inhale Exhalation in a single, stunned sitting, because true genius doesn’t come along nearly as often as advertised. This is the real thing.”—Blake Crouch, author of Dark Matter</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Miriam Toews : Women Talking</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“An astonishment, a volcano of a novel with slowly and furiously mounting pressures of anguish and love and rage. No other book I’ve read in the past year has spoken so lucidly about our current moment, and yet none has felt as timeless; the always-wondrous Miriam Toews has written a book as close to a Greek tragedy as a contemporary Western novelist can come.”—Lauren Groff</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Sophia Shalmiyev : Mother Winter</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2019 14:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Shalmiyev stubbornly, brilliantly pursues loss in this psycho-geography of immigration, grief displacement, and damage. A mother herself, Shalmiyev’s narrator channels the ghosts of Dorothy Richardson, Anaïs Nin, Frances Farmer and the sad, bad stories of Aileen Wuornos and Amy Fisher, who could never be the right kind of girls. Like the great modernist writers, Shalmiyev writes from, not about, trauma but at a pitch that’s witty, dry, sad, and laconic. I love America, her narrator declares. It’s broken, like me.”—Chris Kraus, author of I Love Dick</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Morgan Parker : Magical Negro</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2019 14:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Morgan Parker’s latest collection, Magical Negro, is a riveting testimony to everyday blackness. . . . It is wry and atmospheric, an epic work of aural pleasures and personifications that demands to be read—both as an account of a private life and as searing political protest.”—Glory Edim, Time Magazine</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Cristina Rivera Garza : The Taiga Syndrome</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2019 14:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“If The Taiga Syndrome is a book of illness, it’s also about exile, disappearance, borders, love, language and translation, desire, capitalism and its discontents, fairy tales, and what it means to be possessed by the madness of others and the madness of ourselves. The murmurs that haunt the detective in The Taiga Syndrome evoke the history of Mexican fiction, most notably Juan Rulfo. But this is not a religious state of purgatory. It’s more like Apocalypse Now fused with the worlds of Clarice Lispector and Jorge Luis Borges. In other words, there is no one writing novels as phantasmagorically exquisite as Cristina Rivera Garza’s. The Taiga Syndrome, which is both quietly poetic and narratively unhinged, is a crucial addition to her distinguished oeuvre.”—Daniel Borzutzky</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Lacy M. Johnson : The Reckonings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2019 15:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca Solnit says Lacy M. Johnson’s <em>The Reckonings</em> gives us something essential: &#8220;a vision of who and where we are that&#8217;s both scathing and generous.&#8221; Kiese Laymon says &#8220;I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;ve ever been happier to be alive after reading any book. In this weird way that probably says way too much about the smallness of my life, I felt like everything would be okay &#8212; like we will make and sustain justice &#8212; because a book I needed but never imagined reading was in the world.&#8221; Lacy joins David on Between the Covers to talk about justice and art, justice as art, about #<a href="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/metoo?source=feed_text&amp;epa=HASHTAG">metoo</a> accountability, about what it means to be against whiteness and accountable to one&#8217;s complicity in white supremacy, about making art in a time of global climate apocalypse, and how joy is an essential part of the equation.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Christine Schutt : Pure Hollywood</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Apr 2019 22:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In eleven captivating tales, <i>Pure Hollywood</i> brings us into private worlds of corrupt familial love, intimacy, longing, and danger. From an alcoholic widowed actress living in desert seclusion to a young mother whose rejection of her child has terrible consequences, a newlywed couple who ignore the violent warnings of a painter burned by love to an eerie portrait of erotic obsession, each story in <i>Pure Hollywood</i> is an imagistic snapshot of what it means to live and learn, love and hurt.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Mitchell S. Jackson : Survival Math</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2019 13:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“A vibrant memoir of race, violence, family, and manhood . . . Jackson recognizes there is too much for one conventional form, and his various storytelling methods imbue the book with an unpredictable dexterity. It is sharp and unshrinking in depictions of his life, his relatives (blood kin and otherwise), and his Pacific Northwest hometown, which serves as both inescapable character and villain. . . . It’s Jackson’s history, but it’s also a microcosm of too many black men struggling both against their worst instincts, and a society that often leaves them with too few alternatives. . . . His virtuosic wail of a book reminds us that for a black person in America, it can never be that easy.”—Boston Globe</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Marlon James : Black Leopard, Red Wolf</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Mar 2019 14:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Black Leopard, Red Wolf is the kind of novel I never realized I was missing until I read it. A dangerous, hallucinatory, ancient Africa, which becomes a fantasy world as well-realized as anything Tolkien made, with language as powerful as Angela Carter’s. It’s as deep and crafty as Gene Wolfe, bloodier than Robert E. Howard, and all Marlon James. It’s something very new that feels old, in the best way. I cannot wait for the next installment.” —Neil Gaiman</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore : Sketchtasy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2019 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>“Sycamore paints an unsparing and unsentimental portrait of survival in a homophobic era, and her writing is beyond beautiful. <em>Sketchtasy</em> is a powerful firecracker of a novel; it’s not just one of the best books of the year, it’s an instant classic of queer literature.”—Michael Schaub, <em>NPR Books</em></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Alicia Jo Rabins : Fruit Geode</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2019 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Genevieve Hudson : Pretend We Live Here</title>
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<p>“A terrific collection of stories. There are echoes here of Flannery O’Connor, Barry Hannah, and Denis Johnson, but Genevieve Hudson is her own writer—impressively and gloriously so. Her eye for the clinching detail is unnerving and her sympathies are fascinatingly conflicted. I hope, and suspect, this book will be the start of a long and inspiring career.” —Tom Bissell “Full of blood and dust and stars and light, Hudson captures the beauty and horror of the everyday and makes it all seem like magic.” —Leah Dieterich</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Jeffrey Yang : Hey Marfa</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2019 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Yang rebuilds for the reader a town that is notable for its many stark contrasts: restored &amp; ruined buildings, wealth &amp; poverty, international art &amp; border enforcement. <em>Hey, Marfa</em> makes a remarkable poetic accounting of the ways imagination is currently working with &amp; against the histories &amp; myths of the US/Mexico borderlands &amp; the American West.”―Tim Johnson</p>
<p><em>“Hey, Marfa</em> a commonplace book, memoir, &amp; hybrid obituary for things: following a trail of ‘last words’ &amp; communal losses, here is a History learning to listen with eyes &amp; Mourning recovering the dead travelers on the road. <em>Hey, Marfa</em> transmits voltage or vitalized matter as words reach to words.”―Susan Howe</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Chaya Bhuvaneswar : White Dancing Elephants</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2018 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Bhuvaneswar is unflinching about the lives of those for whom identity is a constant battle &amp; the act of being is an unavoidable challenge, but she doesn&#8217;t ignore the beauty in their strength . . . <em>White Dancing Elephants</em> is a necessary book — &amp; one that introduces a gifted voice to contemporary literature.”―NPR</p>
<p>“<em>White Dancing Elephants</em> is a searing &amp; complex collection, wholly realized, each piece curled around its own beating heart. Tender &amp; incisive, Chaya Bhuvaneswar is a surgeon on the page, unflinching in her aim, unwavering in her gaze, &amp; absolutely devastating in her prose. This is an astonishing debut.”―Amelia Gray</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Layli Long Soldier : Whereas</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2018 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Long Soldier reminds readers of their physical and linguistic bodies as they are returned to language through their mouths and eyes and tongues across the fields of her poems.”—Natalie Diaz for <i>The New York Times Book Review</i></p>
<p>“Layli Long Soldier’s movement between collective and personal makes this book intimate and urgent. She has charted new ways to write in what’s left out—and not merely in the margins either. <i>WHEREAS</i> offers a powerful reckoning.”<i>—</i>National Book Critics Circle Award judges’ citation</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Diane Williams: The Collected Stories of Diane Williams</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2018 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Williams’s short precise, &amp; emphatic sentences build a strange society whose denizens are not quite familiar to us &amp; not quite comfortable with their own quietly disturbing evolutions. Not a single moment of the prose here is what you expect, &amp; even the ordinary is, in the context created by Diane Williams, no longer ordinary. It is fresh, happy &amp; peculiar — or is it we who are refreshed, happy, &amp; more peculiar than before after reading her?”—Lydia Davis</p>
<p>“Let&#8217;s hear it for the magnificent Diane Williams, one of the wittiest &amp; most exacting writers of our time. Her fictions are fervid endorsements of terrible, joyous life. But that&#8217;s not quite right, because like all great literature, they <i>are</i> life.”—Sam Lipsyte</p>]]></description>
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		<title>R.O. Kwon : The Incendiaries</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2018 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Every explosive requires a fuse. That’s R. O. Kwon’s novel, a straight, slow-burning fuse. To read her novel is to follow an inexorable flame coming closer &amp; closer to the object it will detonate—the characters, the crime, the story, &amp;, ultimately, the reader.”—Viet Thanh Nguyen</p>
<p>“Kwon’s multi-faceted narrative portrays America’s dark, radical strain, exploring the lure of fundamentalism, our ability to be manipulated, and what can happen when we’re willing to do anything for a cause.” —<i>Atlantic.com</i></p>
<p>“A God-haunted, willful, strange book written with a kind of savage elegance. I’ve said it before, but now I’ll shout it from the rooftops: R. O. Kwon is the real deal.”—Lauren Groff</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tommy Pico : Junk</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2018 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Reading Tommy Pico’s <em>Junk</em> I kept thinking of Heather McHugh’s pronouncement that the main discipline of poetry is “to keep finding life strange.” Pico is the master of making the stone stony, or returning the sheer absurdity of being to everything, from grief to intimacy to dating apps to donuts. <em>Junk</em> insists on the urgency of the quotidian, of, to borrow a phrase from Pico, ‘vibrant inconsequence.’ It’s rare to read a book that makes living feel so alive.”—Kaveh Akbar</p>
<p>“A visceral exorcism of personal &amp; collective demons . . . Pico demonstrates that a person’s many selves, traumas, anxieties, hookups, &amp; breakups can become a marker of courage and survival.”—<em>Publishers Weekly</em>, Starred Review</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Dubravka Ugrešić : Fox &#038; American Fictionary</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2018 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Dubravka Ugrešić is considered one of Europe’s most distinctive novelists and essayists.  She is the 2016 winner of Neustadt International Prize for Literature for her body of work, joining literary luminaries from Gabriel Garcia Marquez to Elizabeth Bishop to Octavio Paz. In 1991 when war broke out in the former Yugoslavia, Ugrešić took a firm antiwar stance, critically dissecting retrograde Croatian and Serbian nationalism, the stupidity and criminality of war, and becoming a target for nationalist journalists, politicians, and fellow writers in the process. Subjected to prolonged public ostracism and persistent media harassment, she has lived in exile since 1993.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Anna Moschovakis : Eleanor or The Rejection of the Progress of Love</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><span class="truncate_more">“Anna Moschovakis takes the reader straight to the terrifying edge: that moment where one ages out of youthfulness &amp; begins to flutter in the debris of middle living, flattened out by technology, wild-goose chasing one’s data. Yet, the deeper we look into Eleanor’s unsettledness, the more we see &amp; the more hope we find in her rhizomic wandering. This is a beautiful slow burn of a novel.” —Renee Gladman</span></p>
<p><span class="truncate_more">“By turns funny, melancholic, &amp; provocative, Anna’s novel undoes &amp; remakes the conventions of realist fiction through repetition &amp; compression of time . . . It is ‘luminously ordinary’ in its progression, where profound shifts are as small as a postcard written or a hand touched.” <em>—BOMB</em></span></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Dao Strom : You Will Always Be Someone From Somewhere Else</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2018 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In Dao Strom’s collection of poetic fragments, <em>You Will Always Be Someone From Somewhere Else</em>, translated by Ly Thuy Nguyen as <em>Mình sẽ luôn là người nọ đến từ nơi nọ</em>, the fragments are wholly filled—with text: English, Vietnamese, drifting, entwined, dense, vanishing—with space: empty, white, solid, black—with images: cropped, multiplied, sliced, erased—&amp; with punctuation: plus, minus, inequality signs, slashes, brackets, &amp; bullet points imbued with as much meaning as entire novels.</p>
<p>&#8220;After you depart from the cinema of her sea, you may ask, what or who is she? . . . why is she able to dismantle my soul so easily? . . . how is she able to make desolation so compellingly hospitable? What is her secret?&#8221;—Vi Khi Nao</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Catherine Lacey : Certain American States</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2018 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lacey captures with eerie precision the strangeness of being a person in the world, living alongside other human beings with unknowable thoughts and feelings . . . Reading Lacey’s fiction feels like walking through a dark apartment in someone’s mind, full of winding hallways and unmarked doors. You never know quite where you are or where you’ll end up. Like the work of Clarice Lispector or Rachel Cusk, Lacey seems to be on the verge of inventing a new genre somewhere between prose poem and fugue state.”—<em>Los Angeles Times</em></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Forrest Gander : Be With</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2018 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Forrest Gander’s life partner, the poet C.D. Wright, died suddenly a little more than two years ago, and this book is one result or record of the aftermath of that loss. In poems that are utterly naked and bereft, elegies, apologies, could-have-beens, Gander grieves and wonders about what’s left in his life. There is so much pain in this book—perhaps too much, almost too much—but what is poetry for if not for this? And there’s more life in one of these dark words than in most entire books. Reading this book may hurt, but it will help people to keep living through what they thought they could never survive.”—Craig Morgan Teicher for NPR</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Chelsea Hodson : Tonight I&#8217;m Someone Else</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2018 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hodson’s essays have such a sexy drama to them—and ultimately it’s the romance of just getting through life; the passion that comes from being a wholly alert woman and living to tell about it. I had a real romance with this book.&#8221;—Miranda July</p>
<p>&#8220;Chelsea Hodson tests herself against her desires, grapples with their consequences, and presents a surgically precise account of what they were to her. These essays are bewitching—despite their discipline and rigor, you can smell the blood.&#8221;—Sarah Manguso</p>
<p>&#8220;A unique collection about being an artist and a woman in a world that doesn’t always value either.&#8221;—<i>Booklist</i></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Molly Crabapple : Brothers of the Gun &#8211; A Memoir of the Syrian War</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“From the anarchy, torment, and despair of the Syrian war, Marwan Hisham and Molly Crabapple have drawn a book of startling emotional power and intellectual depth. Many books will be written on the war’s exhaustive devastation of bodies and souls, and the defiant resistance of many trapped men and women, but the Mahabharata of the Levant has already found its wisest chroniclers.”—Pankaj Mishra</p>
<p>“A revelatory and necessary read on one of the most destructive wars of our time . . . In great personal detail, Marwan Hisham and Molly Crabapple poignantly capture the tumultuous life in Syria before, after, and during the war—from inside one young man’s consciousness.”—Angela Davis</p>
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		<title>Sheila Heti : Motherhood</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2018 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This book is going to change how we think about life and women forever; like ancient Greek philosopher level of describing reality in a way that creates it. So, go or don&#8217;t go, read the book or don&#8217;t—either way your life will be changed by this thinker. I&#8217;m being serious here.&#8221;—Miranda July</p>
<p>&#8220;This inquiry into the modern woman’s moral, social and psychological relationship to procreation is an illumination, a provocation, and a response—finally—to the new norms of femininity, formulated from the deepest reaches of female intellectual authority. It is unlike anything else I’ve read. Sheila Heti has broken new ground, both in her maturity as an artist and in the possibilities of the female discourse itself.&#8221;—Rachel Cusk</p>
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		<title>Azareen Van Der Vliet Oloomi : Call Me Zebra</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2018 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Not many authors are compared to Borges, Cervantes, and Kathy Acker all in one breath, but that is exactly what we&#8217;re dealing with here: Azareen Van der Vliet Oloomi is a twisted, twisty genius.”—<em>Nylon Magazine</em></p>
<p>“Van der Vliet Oloomi captures the shattered identity of the refugee and the immigrant, the way that literature becomes a lifeline in exile: a movable home, a network of dissent, a genealogy beyond national borders.”—<em>Los Angeles Review of Books</em></p>
<p>“Hearken ye fellow misfits, migrants, outcasts, squint-eyed bibliophiles, library-haunters and book stall-stalkers: Here is a novel for you.”—<em>The Wall Street Journal</em></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Jen Bervin : Silk Poems</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2018 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Jen Bervin’s work—all of it—engages the eye, the hand, the ear, and the mind. Her artistry is vast and inclusive, by finesse and intelligence, by curiosity, forbearance, and vision. She knows the unexpected wonder of pattern is everywhere and that the smallest detail contains enough energy to spawn a universe. I think they should send her into space, if it were not for the fact her work has already sent us there. Her poems in themselves, those exhilirated fragments, are the purest form of the art itself—they contain the innate inner gradients of whatever takes our breath away.”—Mary Ruefle</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Cheston Knapp : Up Up Down Down</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2018 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Cheston Knapp’s <em>Up Up, Down Down</em> has the uncanny, welcome ability to make so-called mainstream or dominant culture—white, masculinist, Christian, frat boy, &amp; so on—appear newly strange, &amp; newly open to analysis. He has the eye &amp; ear of an anthropologist, a joyously expansive vocabulary, a prose style that feels both extravagant &amp; exact, &amp; a big, booming heart.&#8221;—Maggie Nelson</p>
<p>&#8220;This book made me laugh out loud in embarrassing places—a quiet Swedish train, a darkened redeye flight—&amp; its insights will keep echoing in me for a long time.&#8221;—Leslie Jamison</p>]]></description>
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		<title>John Keene : Counternarratives, Playland, and Grind</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2018 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In <em>Counternarratives</em>, John Keene undertakes a kind of literary counterarchaeology, a series of fictions that challenge our notion of what constitutes &#8216;real&#8217; or &#8216;accurate&#8217; history. His writing is at turns playful and erudite, lyric and coldly diagnostic, but always completely absorbing. <em>Counternarratives</em> could easily be compared to Borges or Bolaño, Calvino or Kiš.&#8221;—Jess Row</p>
<p>&#8220;Keene’s story collection is truly radical—in its politics, in its stylistic restlessness, in its rethinking of the myths we tell ourselves about race and sexuality in the history of the Americas.&#8221;—Anthony Domestico</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Vi Khi Nao : Umbilical Hospital &#038; A Brief Alphabet of Torture</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2018 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These pieces are elaborate piecework—perforated, whip stitched, and distressed field-dressed dissections of language. Tortured? Maybe. But lusciously junked &amp; juxtaposed, turned inside out &amp; every which way but . . . No, in every way they make way.”—Michael Martone</p>
<p>&#8220;Imagine an entity composed of sheep, wheat, assholes, clitorises, stars. Why not? That would be this poem, this world—a perfectly recognizable post-human world which is also post surreal. Vi Khi Nao is making it new, no, she is doing the old job of making us see what’s already here in a new way.&#8221;—Rae Armantrout</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Micheline Aharonian Marcom : The Brick House</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2018 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Micheline Aharonian Marcom&#8217;s <em>The Brick House</em> is a place where people dream of love and loneliness, of the world&#8217;s beauty, and of ongoing environmental degradation. Travelers confront their lives in the strange, elemental language which dreams allow for, a strangeness mirrored in the accompanying illustrations by Fowzia Karimi. Inspired by Calvino’s <em>Invisible Cities </em>and Kawabata&#8217;s <em>House of Sleeping Beauties,</em> and following in the tradition of Armenian illuminated manuscripts, <em>The Brick House</em> is in Rikki Ducornet&#8217;s words “Fierce, fearlessly erotic and always unforeseeable.”</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Terese Marie Mailhot : Heart Berries</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2018 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><i>“Heart Berries</i> by Terese Mailhot is an astounding memoir in essays. Here is a wound. Here is need, naked and unapologetic. Here is a mountain woman, towering in words great and small . . . What Mailhot has accomplished in this exquisite book is brilliance both raw and refined.” ―Roxane Gay</p>
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		<title>Carmen Maria Machado : Her Body and Other Parties</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2018 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Cross-pollinating fairy tales, horror movies, TV shows, &amp; a terrific sense of humor, Machado&#8217;s work reminds me at different times of such wildly divergent figures as David Lynch, Jane Campion, Maggie Nelson, &amp; Grace Paley; which is a way of saying, Machado sounds like nobody but herself.”—John Powers, NPR “Fresh Air”</p>
<p>&#8220;The book abounds with fantastical premises that ring true because the intensity of sexual desire, the mutability of the body, &amp; the realities of gender inequality make them so. These stories stand as exquisitely rendered, poignant hauntings.”—<em>San Francisco Chronicle</em></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Eunsong Kim : Gospel of Regicide</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2018 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In<i> Gospel of Regicide</i>, Eunsong Kim develops a thrilling method for unwriting lyric even as she reimagines it, creating a socially engaged poetry of &amp; for our time. Anticapitalist, feminist &amp; anti-racist yet critical of non-intersectional understandings of identity &amp; selfhood, she is unafraid of drawing the sacred from the pedestrian, &amp; unbeholden to whiteness as foundation. These poems, mutable in form &amp; style, yet cohesive in their vision, suggest a complex &amp; different order allowing us to &#8216;complete the story.&#8217; Kim kills the king, &amp; blesses us with a superlative collection as a result.&#8221;—John Keene</p>
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		<title>Leni Zumas : Red Clocks</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Leni Zumas here proves she can do almost anything. Her tale feels part Melvillian, part Lydia Davis, part Octavia Butler—but really Zumas’s vision is entirely her own. <em>Red Clocks</em> is funny, mordant, political, poetic, alarming, and inspiring—not to mention a way forward for fiction now.”—Maggie Nelson</p>
<p>&#8220;Move over Atwood, Leni Zumas&#8217;s <em>Red Clocks</em> is a gender roaring tour de force. The bodies of women in <em>Red Clocks</em> are each the site of resistance and revolution. I screamed out loud. I pumped my fist in the air. And I remembered how hope is forged from the ground up, through the bodies of women who won&#8217;t be buried.&#8221;—Lidia Yuknavitch<i></i><b><i><br />
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		<title>David Biespiel : The Education of a Young Poet</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><span data-sheets-value="{&quot;1&quot;:2,&quot;2&quot;:&quot;\&quot;I love the scope of The Education of a Young Poet, which opens fifty years before the author's birth. What better way of expressing the idea that poetry, like all art, is a matter of lineage, growing in equal part out of what we learn and who we are? Indeed, what David Biespiel has in mind here is less a craft book—although there are great craft riffs—than a memoir, a kind of portrait of the artist as a young man. 'Feeling alien within the familiar,' Biespiel describes it, the sensation of being a new poet. It's as good a description as I've seen for the mix of distance and proximity, alienation and empathy, that all art requires, and perhaps most especially that of poetry.\&quot; —David L. Ulin, author of Sidewalking&quot;}" data-sheets-userformat="{&quot;2&quot;:513,&quot;3&quot;:[null,0],&quot;12&quot;:0}">&#8220;Biespiel’s supple memoir of becoming a poet will surely inspire other writers to embrace the bodily character of writing &amp; feel the power &amp;, sometimes, the emptiness of the act of writing poetry.”—<em><i>Publishers Weekly, </i></em>starred review</span></p>
<p>“Whether he is writing about poetry, politics, competitive diving, or the glories of great conversation, Biespiel’s recurring subject is the tension between freedom &amp; discipline―between the sublime release of our own wildness &amp; the precision that comes only from exquisite self-control. Part memoir, part ars poetica, <em>The Education of a Young Poet</em> is a feast: of language, of memory, &amp; of insights into how one young writer came into his own.”—Patrick Phillips</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Rae Armantrout : Partly &#8211; New &#038; Selected Poems</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2017 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“For nearly 40 years Armantrout has made a poetics of <em>not</em> finding the right words–of finding, in fact, the ‘wrong’ ones . . . Armantrout restores the strangeness of experiences we take for granted.”—Michael Robbins, <i>Chicago Tribune</i></p>
<p>“Hoopskirts, star jasmine, synchronized swimming, Russian icons, a ceramic fish face, electrons &amp; photons: in these poems, everything is interconnected, thought through, deeply felt &amp; expressed in the most precise and necessary words. Armantrout is one of our most inventive &amp; magnetic poets, &amp; she never disappoints: with inspired patience, she embraces the strangeness of our familiar world &amp; refashions it into something new &amp; utterly transporting.”—Lydia Davis</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Eileen Myles : Afterglow</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“What is a dog if not god? In <em>Afterglow</em>, Eileen Myles steps up to the challenge for writers to function as prophets. Ghostwritten in part by deceased pit bull Rosie, this ‘dog memoir’ explores—among other things—geometry, gender, mortality, evil, aging, and plaids. Myles makes new rules for what prose writing can be. <em>Afterglow</em> is Myles’s funniest, profoundest work yet.”—Chris Kraus</p>
<p>&#8220;Only Eileen Myles could reinvent the memoir again so stunningly; <em>Afterglow</em> is the sort of multidimensional love story you could only expect from one of our greatest experimental writers living today!”—Porochista Khakpour</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Celeste Ng : Little Fires Everywhere</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2017 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“I read <i>Little Fires Everywhere </i>in a single, breathless sitting. With brilliance and beauty, Celeste Ng dissects a microcosm of American society just when we need to see it beneath the microscope:  how do questions of race stack up against the comfort of privilege, and what role does that play in parenting?  Is motherhood a bond forged by blood, or by love?  And perhaps most importantly:  do the faults of our past determine what we deserve in the future?  Be ready to be wowed by Ng’s writing—and unsettled by the mirror held up to one’s own beliefs.”—Jodi Picoult</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Peter Rock : Spells</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2017 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Spells is a fascinating hybrid text, not simply illustrated by a collection of photographs but created in response to them, a collaboration between Peter Rock and five photographers. The result is a novel unlike any I’ve read before, that weaves elements of realism, fable, prose poetry, and essay through the supporting structure of images to create something beautiful and unsettling.&#8221;—Cari Luna</p>
<p>“Rock’s prose calls to mind Kazuo Ishiguro, not just for its spareness but also for its mix of wonder and creepiness.”—<i>New York Times</i></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Safiya Sinclair : Cannibal</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Sep 2017 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sinclair crafts her stunning debut collection around the beauty &amp; brutality of the word <em>cannibal</em>, whose origins derive from Columbus’s belief that the Carib people consumed human flesh. Attacking this dehumanizing judgment born from white entitlement &amp; denouncing the idea that blackness is synonymous with savagery, Sinclair ponders such questions as, How does a poet get inside the head of Shakespeare’s Caliban? How would Caliban define blackness without the filter of a white man’s bias? . . . Through her visceral language Sinclair paints the institution of white supremacy as not just an individualized phenomenon, but as a ruthless &amp; menacing force.&#8221;—<em>Publisher&#8217;s Weekly</em>, starred review</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Matthew Zapruder : Why Poetry</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2017 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In <em>Why Poetry</em>,  award-winning poet, translator, and editor, Matthew Zapruder argues that the way we have been taught to read poetry is the very thing that prevents us from enjoying it. Anchored in poetic analysis &amp; steered by Zapruder’s personal experience of coming to the form, <em>Why Poetry</em> is engaging &amp; conversational, even as it makes a passionate argument for the necessity of poetry in an age when information is constantly being mistaken for knowledge. He takes on what it is that poetry—and poetry alone—can do. Most important, he asks how reading poetry can help us to lead our lives with greater meaning and purpose.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Yanara Friedland : Uncountry</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2017 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><span class="s1">&#8220;As a descendent of Chantal Akerman and Unica Zürn—among others—Yanara Friedland reimagines the origin myth. Friedland’s permeable pages allow the reader entryway into a &#8216;mirror [that] becomes an open door,&#8217; a door through which we hear the echo of Ana Mendieta telling us &#8216;There is no original past to redeem: there is the void.&#8217; <em>Uncountry</em> is an invitation to that void, and Friedland serves as dream guide through this blend of the personal, political, and stunningly poetic&#8221;</span>—Lily Hoang</p>
<p><em>Uncountry: a Mythology </em>is winner of the Noemi Press Fiction Prize</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Mary Ruefle : My Private Property</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2017 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mary Ruefle&#8217;s careful, measured sentences sound as if they were written by a thousand-year-old person who is still genuinely curious about the world . . . She combines imagistic techniques from surrealism with narrative techniques to create surprising, high-velocity, and deeply affecting work.&#8221;—<em>The Stranger</em></p>
<p>&#8220;Mary Ruefle is, in this humble bookseller’s opinion, the best prose-writing poet in America. (And one of our best poets, too.) <i>My Private Property</i>, her latest collection of stories, essays, and asides, is as joyous and singular a book as you’ll read.&#8221;—Stephen Sparks, <em>Literary Hub</em></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Yuri Herrera : Kingdom Cons</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2017 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In the court of the King, everyone knows their place. But as the Artist wins hearts &amp; egos with his ballads, uncomfortable truths emerge that shake the Kingdom to its core. Part surreal fable &amp; part crime romance, this prize-winning novel from Yuri Herrera questions the price of keeping your integrity in a world ruled by patronage &amp; power.</p>
<p>&#8220;A powerful &amp; memorable meditation on the social &amp; economic value of art in a world ruled by the pursuit of power.&#8221;—<em>Publisher&#8217;s Weekly</em></p>
<p>&#8220;Yuri Herrera must be a 1000 years old. He must&#8217;ve traveled to hell, &amp; heaven, &amp; back again. He must&#8217;ve once been a girl, an animal, a rock, a boy, &amp; a woman. Nothing else explains the vastness of his understanding&#8221;—Valeria Luiselli</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Gregory Pardlo : Digest</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2017 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[Gregory Pardlo] explores what is American, what is African American, what is the Other, what is city, what is suburban, what is personal &amp; what is persona. <em>Digest </em>offers a changing, rich landscape of verse both haunting, funny, &amp; rigorously intellectual—<em>Jerry Magazine</em></p>
<p>&#8220;[Pardlo] renders history just as clearly &amp; palpably as he renders NYC or Copenhagen or his native New Jersey. But mostly what he renders is America with its intractable conundrums &amp; clashing iconographies. With lines that balance poise &amp; a jam-packed visceral music &amp; images that glimmer &amp; seethe together like a conflagration these poems are a showcase for Pardlo’s ample &amp; agile mind, his courageous social conscience, &amp; his mighty voice.”—Tracy K. Smith</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Dani Shapiro : Hourglass</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jun 2017 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>What are the forces that shape our most elemental bonds? How do we make lifelong commitments in the face of identities that are continuously shifting, and commit ourselves when the self is so often in flux? What happens to love in the face of the unexpected, in the face of disappointment and compromise—how do we wrest beauty from imperfection, find grace in the ordinary, desire what we have rather than what we lack? Drawing on literature, poetry, philosophy, and theology, Shapiro writes gloriously of the joys and challenges of matrimonial life, in a luminous narrative that unfurls with urgent immediacy and sharp intelligence.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Jeff Vandermeer : Borne</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2017 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Here is the story about biotech that VanderMeer wants to tell, a vision of the nonhuman not as one fixed thing, one fixed destiny, but as either peaceful or catastrophic, by our side or out on a rampage as our behavior dictates—for these are our children, born of us and now to be borne in whatever shape or mess we have created. This coming-of-age story signals that eco-fiction has come of age as well: wilder, more reckless and more breathtaking than previously thought, a wager and a promise that what emerges from the twenty-first century will be as good as any from the twentieth, or the nineteenth.” —Wai Chee Dimock, <em>The New York Times Book Review</em></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Thalia Field : Experimental Animals</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thalia Field has now composed what very well might be her life&#8217;s work—a tragic, comical, &amp; utterly fascinating tale of a marriage that vividly encapsulates not only the origins of experimental medicine, but an entire age that spirited experiments in literature, science, engineering, film, etc. It&#8217;s nothing less than a history—gorgeously fictional, purposefully essayistic&#8211;of how we got where we are.&#8221;—John D&#8217;Agata</p>
<p>&#8220;Stemming from a through-line of marital discord in the household of the great French vivisector Claude Bernard . . . this compelling tale is made up largely of excerpts and quotations . . . a beautiful and thought-provoking collage of . . . rescued history &amp; a sobering tribute to some of its victims.&#8221;—Karen Joy Fowler</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Sallie Tisdale : Violation</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2017 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That Sallie Tisdale’s a treasure comes as no secret to lovers of the essay, and yet this happy gathering that spans the decades is revelatory, a fascinating look at the epic wanderings of a life mapped by curiosity. Here we get elephants and houseflies, diets and fires, birth and the debris of death, all the mixed and messy vitality of family life. We travel far and we travel wide, but in the end we circle home to Tisdale herself, vulnerable and available, intimate and encouraging, our guide and our friend, her questioning presence lighting the way and celebrating it all, every little step in life’s saga, one lovely sentence at a time.&#8221;—Charles D&#8217;Ambrosio</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Morgan Parker : There Are More Beautiful Things Than Beyoncé</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Morgan Parker uses political &amp; pop-cultural references as a framework to explore 21st century black American womanhood &amp; its complexities: performance, depression, isolation, exoticism, racism, femininity &amp; politics. Parker explores this in the contemporary American political climate, folding in references from jazz standards, visual art, personal family history, &amp; Hip Hop. The voice of this book is a multifarious one: writing &amp; rewriting bodies, stories, &amp; histories of the past, as well as uttering &amp; bearing witness to the truth of the present; actively probing toward a new self, an actualized self. This is a book at the intersections of mythology &amp; sorrow, of vulnerability &amp; posturing, of desire &amp; disgust, of tragedy &amp; excellence.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Melissa Febos : Abandon Me</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2017 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“<em>Abandon Me</em> is, in many ways, a story about how a woman’s body &amp; the body of literature hold memory. In other ways, <em>Abandon Me</em> is a story about stories. Febos weaves familial stories, feminist stories, communal stories, literary stories &amp; love stories,  revealing much of where she’s been &amp; where we, her readers, might go if we dare. Do we dare? Are we all running away from abandonment? It makes sense that <em>Abandon Me</em> feels completely structurally innovative. Febos has created 21st century text that intimately explores addiction, pain, pleasure &amp; the strangely joyful &amp; terrifying nuances of abandonment. I don’t know that I’ve ever felt more thankful to read a book. <em>Abandon Me</em> found me when I most needed it.” —Kiese Laymon</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Ursula K. Le Guin : Words Are My Matter</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2017 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Hard times are coming, when we’ll be wanting the voices of writers who can see alternatives to how we live now, can see through our fear-stricken society &amp; its obsessive technologies to other ways of being, &amp; even imagine real grounds for hope. We’ll need writers who can remember freedom—poets, visionaries—realists of a larger reality. . .”<em>  Words Are My Matter</em> collects talks, essays, intros to beloved books, &amp; book reviews by Ursula K. Le Guin, one of our foremost public literary intellectuals. It is essential reading, &amp; through the lens of deep considerations of contemporary writing, a way of exploring the world we are all living in.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Susan DeFreitas : Hot Season</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>An outlaw activist on the run. A pipeline set to destroy a river. And 3 young women who must decide who to love, who to trust, &amp; what to sacrifice for the greater good. Based in part on real events in the Northwest &amp; Southwest in the early 90s &amp; mid-aughts, Hot Season explores what Oregon Book Award Winner Cari Luna calls “the charged terrain where the youthful search for identity meets the romantic, illicit lure of direct action.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Is it worse to destroy a dam or to destroy a river? Which is to say, how do we live our conscience on a crowded, corrupted planet? DeFreitas has captured what it means to be coming of age in a tangle of love, politics &amp; environmental degradation.&#8221;—Monica Drake</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Solmaz Sharif : Look</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2017 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this virtuosic array of poems, lists, shards, &amp; sequences, Sharif assembles fragmented narratives in the aftermath of war. Those repercussions echo in the present day, the grief for those killed in America’s invasions of Afghanistan &amp; Iraq, the discriminations endured at the checkpoints of daily encounter. At the same time, these poems point to ways violence is conducted against language, employing words lifted from the Department of Defense Dictionary of Military &amp; Associated Terms. Sharif exposes euphemisms deployed to sterilize language, control its effects, &amp; sway our collective resolve, but refuses to accept this terminology as given, instead turning it back on its perpetrators. “Let it matter what we call a thing,” she writes. “Let me look at you.”</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Sofia Samatar : The Winged Histories</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2016 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you love stories but distrust them, if you love language &amp; can also see how it is used as a tool or a weapon in the maintenance of status quo, then read <em>The Winged Histories</em>.&#8221;—Marion Deeds, <i>Fantasy Literature</i></p>
<p>&#8220;Told by four different women, it is a story of war; not epic battles of good &amp; evil, but the attempt to make things right &amp; the realities of violence wielded by one human against another, by one group against another. It’s about the aftermath of war, in which some things are better but others are worse. Above all, it’s a story about love—the terrible love that tears lives apart. Doomed love; impossible love; love that requires a rewriting of the rules, be it for a country, a person, or a story.&#8221;—Jenn Northington, Tor.com</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Tyehimba Jess : Olio</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This 21st century hymnal of black evolutionary poetry, this almanac, this theatrical melange of miraculous meta-memory. Tyehimba Jess is inventive, prophetic, wondrous. He writes unflinchingly into the historical clefs of blackface, black sound, human sensibility. After the last poem is read we have no idea how long we&#8217;ve been on our knees.&#8221;—Nikky Finney</p>
<p>&#8220;<em>Olio</em> is one of the most inventive, intensive poetic undertakings of the past decade . . . The result is a work both historical and musical, scholarly and sculptural.&#8221;—<em>Boston Globe</em></p>
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		<title>Eliot Weinberger : The Ghosts of Birds</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2016 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A new collection from “one of the world’s great essayists” (<em>The New York Times</em>), <em>The Ghosts of Birds</em> offers 35 new essays by Eliot Weinberger.  He chronicles a 19th century journey down the Colorado River, records the dreams of people named Chang, &amp; shares other factually verifiable discoveries that seem too fabulous to possibly be true. These essays include his notorious review of George W. Bush’s memoir, <em>Decision Points</em>, writings about the I Ching, &amp; the history of American Indophilia (“There is a line, however jagged, from pseudo-Hinduism to Malcolm X”). This collection proves once again that Weinberger is “one of the bravest and sharpest minds in the U.S.&#8221; (Javier Marías)</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Pauls Toutonghi : Dog Gone</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2016 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“You can’t write about dogs without writing about people. They chose long ago to be our good company in the adventure of being alive, and ever since they’ve served as our mirrors, our teachers, and the most stubbornly loyal of friends. Pauls Toutonghi understands the richness of these bonds. In <em>Dog Gone</em>, this engaging storyteller lights up the ways the love between human and dog brings both species to hilarity, gratitude, deep sorrow and a tenderness so real you can’t help but touch it.”—Mark Doty</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Monica Drake : The Folly of Loving Life</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2016 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Following her acclaimed novels <em>Clown Girl</em> and <em>The Stud Book</em>, Monica Drake presents her long-awaited first collection of stories. <span data-offset-key="dluhk-0-0"><span data-text="true">“What can I say about Monica Drake’s stories? They are brilliant, sure. They are hilarious, yes. Each one is a marvel. But more importantly–they are raw and awake and full of life. At the center of each one is the bright beating heart of what literature can be: Relevant, unusual, entertaining, fascinating, unique. These are not characters–and Drake’s is not a voice–that you can ignore or forget.”—</span></span><span class="_5u8u" spellcheck="false" data-offset-key="dluhk-1-0"><span data-offset-key="dluhk-1-0"><span data-text="true">Pauls Toutonghi</span></span></span></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Alexis Smith : Marrow Island</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2016 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A faltering journalist returns to an island abandoned after an earthquake released a toxic spill. That&#8217;s the beautifully wrought setting of this novel, which reunites two childhood friends, one of whom has joined a sect claiming it can heal the land.&#8221;—<i>O, The Oprah Magazine</i></p>
<p>&#8220;Tucked into this suspenseful plot are stunning and important reflections on nature and the environment, its awe-inspiring power and the many ways humanity both detracts from that power and willfully ignores it<i>—</i>and how that shapes our lives.&#8221;<i>—Shelf Awareness</i></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Jesse Ball : How to Set a Fire and Why</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Jesse Ball’s blistering novel tells the story of a teenage girl who has lost everything—and will burn anything. Lucia’s father is dead, her mother in a mental hospital, and now she’s been kicked out of school—<em>again</em>. She makes her way through the world with only a book, a zippo lighter, a pocketful of stolen licorice, a biting wit, and the striking intel­ligence that she tries to hide.</p>
<p>“Lucia details a philosophy that smartly parallels the novel’s own–namely, that writing literature is, like arson, an act of creation and destruction . . . A song of teenage heartbreak sung with a movingly particular sadness, a mature meditation on how actually saying something, not just speaking, is what most makes a voice human.”—<em>Publishers Weekly</em>, starred review</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Rikki Ducornet : Brightfellow</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A feral boy comes of age on a campus decadent with starched sheets, sweating cocktails, &amp; homemade jams. Stub is the cause of that missing sweater, the pie that disappeared off the cooling rack. Then Stub meets Billy, who takes him in, &amp; Asthma, who enchants him, &amp; all is found, then lost. A fragrant, voluptuous novel of imposture, misplaced affection, &amp; the many ways we are both visible &amp; invisible to one another. The author of eight previous novels as well as collections of short stories, essays, &amp; poems, Rikki Ducornet has been a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award, is a two-time honoree of the Lannan Foundation, &amp; is the recipient of an Academy Award in Literature.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Lina Meruane : Seeing Red</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2016 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>This powerful autobiographical novel describes a young Chilean writer recently relocated to New York for doctoral work who suffers a stroke, leaving her blind &amp; increasingly dependent on those closest to her. Fiction &amp; autobiography intertwine in an intense, visceral, &amp; caustic novel about the relation between the body, illness, &amp; gender.</p>
<p>&#8220;Meruane writes further into, rather than through or around, blindness. Her language pulses with the psychological terror of the body’s betrayal; it pulls at the seams of the self, unleashing something deep within. This is not a fictionalized memoir of transformation &amp; recovery, but a book that burns in your hands, something sharp &amp; terrifying that bites back.&#8221;—Anna Zalokostas</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Rob Spillman : All Tomorrow&#8217;s Parties</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2016 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Truly exceptional memoirs have to do something more than recount a good origin story: they have to test the author&#8217;s youthful understanding of the world, and break down that world, even as it&#8217;s being built upon the page. <em>All Tomorrow&#8217;s Parties</em> is such a memoir. Not only is it a super-fun, shatter-the-mirror joyride through Spillman&#8217;s eccentric upbringing, but it&#8217;s also replete with insightful double visions . . . [Spillman] manages to invoke both the dreamy, mythic version of life amid art and interesting scenery, and all the chaos and cracks and potential car crashes that threaten it . . . A thrill to read.”—<em>Interview Magazine</em></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Brian Blanchfield : Proxies</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2016 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Into what some are calling a new golden age of creative nonfiction lands Brian Blanchfield’s <em>Proxies</em>, which singlehandedly raises the bar for what’s possible in the field. This is a momentous work informed by a lifetime of thinking, reading, loving, and reckoning, utterly matchless in its erudition, its precision, its range, its daring, and its grace. I know of no book like it, nor any recent book as thoroughly good, in art or in heart.&#8221;—Maggie Nelson</p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe short says it best. Sexy book.&#8221;—Eileen Myles</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Idra Novey : Ways to Disappear</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2016 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Idra Novey, an acclaimed poet &amp; translator of Spanish &amp; Portuguese literature, has written a debut novel that&#8217;s a fast-paced, beguilingly playful, noirish literary mystery with a translator at its center. <em>Ways to Disappear</em> explores the meaning behind a writer&#8217;s words—the way they can both hide &amp; reveal deep truths. . . . Yes, there&#8217;s carnage, but there&#8217;s also exuberant love, revelations of long-buried, unhappy secrets, ruminations about what makes a satisfying life, a publisher&#8217;s regrets about moral compromises in both his work &amp; his use of his family wealth &amp; connections, &amp; an alternately heartfelt &amp; wry portrait of the satisfactions &amp; anxieties of the generally underappreciated art of translation.&#8221;—NPR</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Ursula K. Le Guin : Late in the Day</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2016 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><em>Late in the Day</em>, Ursula K. Le Guin’s new collection of poems (2010–2014) seeks meaning in an ever-connected world, giving voice to objects that may not speak a human language but communicate with us nevertheless through and about the seasonal rhythms of the earth, the minute and the vast, the ordinary and the mythological. As Le Guin herself states, “science explicates, poetry implicates.” Accordingly, this immersive, tender collection implicates us (in the best sense) in a subjectivity of everyday objects and occurrences.</p>
<p>“There is no writer with an imagination as forceful and delicate as Ursula K. Le Guin&#8217;s.”—Grace Paley</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Brian Evenson : A Collapse of Horses</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A stuffed bear&#8217;s heart beats with the rhythm of a dead baby; Reno keeps receding to the east no matter how far you drive; and in a mine on another planet, the dust won&#8217;t stop seeping in. In these stories, Brian Evenson unsettles us with the everyday and the extraordinary—the terror of living with the knowledge of all we cannot know.</p>
<p>&#8220;Brian Evenson is one of the treasures of American story writing, a true successor both to the generation of Coover, Barthelme, Hawkes &amp; Co., but also to Edgar Allan Poe.&#8221;—Jonathan Lethem</p>
<p>&#8220;There is not a more intense, prolific, or apocalyptic writer of fiction in America than Brian Evenson.&#8221;—George Saunders</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Laila Lalami : The Moor&#8217;s Account</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2016 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In this stunning work of historical fiction, Laila Lalami brings us the imagined memoirs of the 1st black explorer of America, a Moroccan slave whose testimony was left out of the official record. In 1527, the conquistador Narváez sailed with a crew of 600 men &amp; nearly 100 horses. Within a year there were only 4 survivors, one of them our narrator/protagonist Estebanico. As this dramatic chronicle unfolds, we come to understand that, contrary to popular belief, black men played a significant part in New World exploration, &amp; that Native American men &amp; women were not merely silent witnesses to it. In Laila Lalami’s deft hands, Estebanico’s memoir illuminates the ways in which stories transmigrate into history, even as storytelling offers a chance at redemption &amp; survival.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Lacy M. Johnson : The Other Side</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2016 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[Lacy M. Johnson&#8217;s] powerfully moving and brilliantly structured memoir, <em>The Other Side</em>, asks, &#8216;How is it possible to reclaim the body after devastating violence?&#8217; Her intense desire and demand for a life lived in the body is triumphant. Johnson’s strength to free not only her physical self, but also to move through years of incapacitating fear by writing this book, is breathtaking: &#8216;I lift the chain from my neck, over my head, let it rattle to the floor.'&#8221;—Kelle Groom</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Keith Lee Morris : Travelers Rest</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2016 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It won&#8217;t take long—a page, maybe two—before you feel wondrously disquieted by Keith Lee Morris&#8217;s<em> Travelers Rest</em>. The novel traps its characters in the town of Good Night, Idaho, and the reader in its shaken snow globe of a world. The language dazzles and the circumstances chill and put this story in the good company of Stephen King&#8217;s <em>The Shining</em>, Shirley Jackson&#8217;s <em>The Haunting of Hill House</em>, and David Lynch&#8217;s <em>Twin Peaks</em>. This is a breakout book that will earn Morris the wide readership he richly deserves.&#8221;―Benjamin Percy</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Mary Gaitskill : The Mare</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2015 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>From the author of the National Book Award-nominated <em>Veronica</em>: Mary Gaitskill’s <em>The Mare</em>—the story of a Dominican girl, the white woman who introduces her to riding, and the horse who changes everything for her.</p>
<p>&#8220;Gaitskill takes a premise that could have been preachy, sentimental, or simplistic—juxtaposing urban and rural, rich and poor, young and old, brown and white—and makes it candid and emotionally complex, spare, real, and deeply affecting. Gaitskill explores the complexities of love (mares, meres . . .) to bring us a novel that gallops along like a bracing bareback ride on a powerful thoroughbred.&#8221;—<em>Kirkus</em>, starred review</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Valeria Luiselli : The Story of My Teeth</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2015 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Written in collaboration with the workers at a Jumex juice factory, <em>The Story of My </em><i>Teeth </i>is a witty, exhilarating romp through the industrial suburbs of Mexico City and Luiselli&#8217;s own literary influences.  Protagonist Gustavo &#8220;Highway&#8221; Sánchez Sánchez is a late-in-life world traveler, yarn spinner, collector, and legendary auctioneer. His most precious possessions are the teeth of the &#8220;notorious infamous&#8221; like Plato, Petrarch, and Virginia Woolf.  Highway adds value to these teeth that he auctions off through the stories he tells of them, while <em>The Story of My Teeth</em> examines the value of storytelling itself.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Amelia Gray : Gutshot</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2015 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><em>NPR</em> calls <em>Gutshot</em> &#8220;a book brimming with blood, sexual deviance, mucus and madness.&#8221; The<em> New York Times</em> says &#8220;reading <em>Gutshot</em> is a little like being blindfolded and pelted from all sides with fire, Jell-O and the occasional live animal.&#8221; And <em>Vice Magazine</em> calls it a book full of bodily fluids and strange sights and smells. That said, Gray’s work is not disturbing for its own sake, but as the <em>Chicago Tribune</em> says “has an unflinching intimacy that is completely and absorbingly her own” and that “if there is one story Gray is telling over and over again, it’s about the embodiedness of language, the blood and guts of books themselves.”</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Ursula K. Le Guin : Steering The Craft</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2015 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Ursula K. Le Guin believes we cannot restructure society without restructuring the English language, and thus her book on the craft of writing inevitably engages class, gender, race, capitalism, and morality, all of which are not separate from grammar, punctuation, tense, and point of view for Le Guin. Ursula K. Le Guin is the author of more than sixty books of fiction, fantasy, children’s literature, poetry, drama, criticism, and translation. She talks today about her writing guide, <em>Steering The Craft</em>, newly rewritten and revised for writers of fiction and memoir in the 21st century.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Liz Prato : Baby&#8217;s On Fire</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2015 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Liz Prato&#8217;s stories are filled with the lost, the lonely, and the damned, and she makes all of them sing with a haunting grandeur. <em>Baby&#8217;s on Fire</em> is a lamentation brimming with wit, candor, and the eternal possibility of mercy,&#8221; says writer Steve Almond about Liz Prato&#8217;s debut collection of stories.</p>
<p>“The stories are at once beautifully written and tremendously compelling—not to mention filled with characters so full of life that they feel as real as people we know. A knockout collection.”—Molly Antopol</p>
<p>Liz is a fiction writer and essayist, teacher and editor, in Portland, Oregon.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>David Biespiel : A Long High Whistle</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><em>Library Journal</em> calls David Biespiel&#8217;s<em> A Long High Whistle</em> one of the best books about reading poetry you will ever find. Biespiel is a poet, editor, essayist, critic, and teacher, and also the writer of the longest-running newspaper column on poetry in the United States.<em> A Long High Whistle</em> discusses the work of nearly a hundred poets from ancient times to the present, in English and in translation. This collection will provide anyone, from the beginning poet to the mature writer to the lover of literature, with insights into what inspires poets, how poems are written and read, and how poetry situates itself in American life.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Rebecca Makkai : Music For Wartime</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2015 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca Makkai, whose stories have appeared in four consecutive editions of <em>The Best American Short Stories</em>, discusses her much-anticipated story collection <em>Music for Wartime</em>. A reality show producer manipulates two contestants into falling in love, even as her own relationship falls apart. A young boy has a revelation about his father’s past when a renowned Romanian violinist plays a concert in their home. A composer records the folk songs of two women from a village on the brink of destruction. These stories—some inspired by her own family history—demonstrate Makkai’s extraordinary range as a storyteller, and confirm her as a master of the short story form.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Maggie Nelson : The Argonauts</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2015 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>An intrepid voyage out to the frontiers of the latest thinking about love, language, and family. Maggie Nelson binds her personal experience, the story of her relationship with the fluidly-gendered artist Harry Dodge, to a rigorous exploration of what iconic theorists have said about sexuality, gender, and the vexed institutions of marriage and child-rearing. <em>The Argonauts</em> is a genre-bending memoir offering fresh, fierce, and timely thinking about desire, identity, and the limitations and possibilities of love and language, offering a firsthand account of the complexities and joys of (queer) family-making.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Lidia Yuknavitch : The Small Backs of Children</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In a war-torn village in Eastern Europe, an American photographer captures a heart-stopping image: a young girl flying toward the lens, fleeing a fiery explosion that has engulfed her home and family. The image wins acclaim and prizes, becoming an icon for millions—and a subject of obsession for one writer, the photographer’s best friend, who has suffered a devastating tragedy of her own. In <em>The Small Backs of Children</em>, Lidia Yuknavitch explores the treacherous, often violent borders between war and sex, love, and art.</p>
<p>“Yuknavitch moves through narratives and structures like a literary banshee seeking a body. Fast, visceral, <em>The Small Backs of Children</em> is a gunshot meditation on art and violence and I couldn’t put it down.”—Vanessa Veselka</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Mary Ruefle : An Incarnation of the Now</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2015 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Beloved and critically-acclaimed poet, essayist, and erasure artist, Mary Ruefle talks about her life as an artist, her approach to poetry, the questions she comes back to, and the artists that influence her. Ruefle is the author of ten books of poetry, the collected lectures <em>Madness, Rack &amp; Honey</em>, a book of prose, a comic book, and the erasure <em>A Little White Shadow.</em></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Neal Stephenson : Seveneves</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2015 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A catastrophic event renders the Earth a ticking time bomb. In a feverish race against the inevitable, nations around the globe band together to devise an ambitious plan to ensure the survival of humanity far beyond our atmosphere: in outer space. Only a handful of survivors remain . . . Five thousand years later, their progeny—seven distinct races now three billion strong—embark on yet another audacious journey into the unknown, as they voyage to an alien world utterly transformed by cataclysm and time: Earth. Neal Stephenson combines science, philosophy,  psychology, and literature in a magnificent work of speculative fiction that offers a portrait of a future that is both extraordinary and eerily recognizable.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Viet Thanh Nguyen : The Sympathizer</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2015 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>It is April 1975 and Saigon is in chaos. At his villa, a general of the South Vietnamese army is drinking whiskey and, with the help of his trusted captain, drawing up a list of those who will be given passage aboard the last flights out of the country. The general and his compatriots start a new life in Los Angeles, unaware that one among their number, the captain, is secretly observing and reporting on the group to a higher-up in the Viet Cong. A gripping spy novel, an astute exploration of extreme politics, and a moving love story, <i>The Sympathizer</i> explores a life between two worlds and examines the legacy of the Vietnam War in literature, film, and the wars we fight today.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Sarah Manguso : Ongoingness</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2015 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In <em>Ongoingness</em>, Sarah Manguso confronts a meticulous diary that she has kept for 25 years. &#8220;I wanted to end each day with a record of everything that had ever happened,&#8221; she explains. But this simple statement belies a terror that she might miss something important. When Manguso became pregnant and had a child, these Copernican events generated an amnesia that put her into a different relationship with the need to document herself amid ongoing time. <em>Ongoingness</em> is a spare, meditative work that stands in stark contrast to the volubility of the diary—a haunting account of mortality and impermanence, of how we struggle to find clarity in the chaos of time that rushes around, over, and through us.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Kelly Link : Get in Trouble</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2015 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Kelly Link has been hailed by Michael Chabon as “the most darkly playful voice in American fiction” and by Neil Gaiman as “a national treasure.” Link has won an ardent following for her ability, with each new short story, to take readers deeply into an unforgettable, brilliantly constructed fictional universe. Hurricanes, astronauts, evil twins, bootleggers, Ouija boards, iguanas, <em>The Wizard of Oz</em>, superheroes, the Pyramids . . . These are just some of the talismans of an imagination as capacious and as full of wonder as that of any writer today.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Sarah Gerard : Binary Star</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2015 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The language of the stars is the language of the body. Like a star, the anorexic burns fuel that isn&#8217;t replenished; she is held together by her own gravity. With luminous, lyrical prose, <em>Binary Star</em> is an account of a young woman struggling with anorexia and her long-distance, alcoholic boyfriend. On a road trip circumnavigating the U.S., they stumble into a book on veganarchism and believe they&#8217;ve found a direction. <em>Binary Star</em> is a fast-moving saga of two young lovers and the culture that keeps them sick (or at least inundated with quick-fix solutions).</p>
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		<title>Miranda July : The First Bad Man</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2015 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Here is Cheryl, a tightly-wound, vulnerable woman who lives alone, with a perpetual lump in her throat. She is haunted by a baby boy she met when she was six, who sometimes recurs as other people’s babies. Cheryl is also obsessed with Phillip, a philandering board member at the women’s self-defense nonprofit where she works. She believes they’ve been making love for many lifetimes, though they have yet to consummate in this one. When Cheryl’s bosses ask if their twenty-one-year-old daughter, Clee, can move into her house for a little while, Cheryl’s eccentrically ordered world explodes. And yet it is Clee—the selfish, cruel, blond bombshell—who bullies Cheryl into reality and, unexpectedly, provides her the love of a lifetime.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Leslie Jamison : The Empathy Exams</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Beginning with her experience as a medical actor who was paid to act out symptoms for medical students to diagnose, Leslie Jamison’s visceral and revealing essays ask essential questions about our basic understanding of others: How should we care about each other? How can we feel another’s pain, especially when pain can be assumed, distorted, or performed? Is empathy a tool by which to test or even grade each other? By confronting pain—real and imagined, her own and others—Jamison uncovers a personal and cultural urgency to feel. She draws from her own experiences of illness and bodily injury to engage in an exploration that extends far beyond her life, spanning wide-ranging territory—from poverty tourism to phantom diseases, street violence to reality television, illness to incarceration—in its search for a kind of sight shaped by humility and grace.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Claudia Rankine : Citizen</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2014 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Claudia Rankine, chancellor of the Academy of American Poets, speaks about her much-awaited follow-up to her groundbreaking work <em>Don&#8217;t Let Me Be Lonely</em>. A provocative meditation on race (and short-listed for the National Book Award), <em>Citizen: An American Lyr</em>i<em>c</em> recounts mounting racial aggressions in ongoing encounters in twenty-first century daily life and in the media. Some of these encounters are slights, seeming slips of the tongue, and some are intentional offensives in the classroom, at the supermarket, at home, on the tennis court with Serena Williams and the soccer field with Zinedine Zidane, online, on TV—everywhere, all the time. The accumulative stresses come to bear on a person’s ability to speak, perform, and stay alive.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>William Gibson : The Peripheral</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2014 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Where Flynne and her brother, Burton, live, jobs outside the drug business are rare. Fortunately, Burton has his veteran’s benefits, for the neural damage he suffered from implants during his time in the USMC’s elite Haptic Recon force. Then one night Burton has to go out, but there’s a job he’s supposed to do—a job Flynne didn’t know he had. Beta-testing part of a new game, he tells her. The job seems to be simple: work a perimeter around the image of a tower building. Little buglike things turn up. He’s supposed to get in their way, edge them back. That’s all there is to it. He’s offering Flynne a good price to take over for him. What she sees, though, isn’t what Burton told her to expect. It might be a game, but it might also be murder.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>David Mitchell : The Bone Clocks</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2014 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No one, clearly, has ever told Mitchell that the novel is dead. He writes with a furious intensity and slapped-awake vitality, with a delight in language and all the rabbit holes of experience . . . In his sixth novel, he’s brought together the time-capsule density of his eyes-wide-open adventure in traditional realism with the death-defying ambitions of <em>Cloud Atlas</em> until all borders between pubby England and the machinations of the undead begin to blur . . . Not many novelists could take on plausible Aboriginal speech, imagine a world after climate change has ravaged it, and wonder whether whales suffer from unrequited love . . . Very few [writers] excite the reader about both the visceral world and the visionary one as Mitchell does.”—<em>The New York Times Book Review</em></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Ben Parzybok : Sherwood Nation</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2014 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In drought-stricken Portland, Oregon, a Robin Hood-esque water thief is caught on camera redistributing an illegal truckload of water to those in need. Nicknamed Maid Marian—real name: Renee, a twenty-something barista and eternal part-time college student—she is an instant folk hero. Renee rides her swelling popularity and the public&#8217;s disgust at how the city has abandoned its people, raises an army . . . and secedes a quarter of the city. <i>Sherwood Nation</i> is the story of the rise and fall of a micronation within a city. It is a love story, a war story, a grand social experiment, a treatise on hacking and remaking government, on freedom and necessity, on individualism and community.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Karen Russell : Sleep Donation</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A crisis has swept America. Hundreds of thousands have lost the ability to sleep. Enter the Slumber Corps, an organization that urges healthy dreamers to donate sleep to an insomniac. Under the wealthy and enigmatic Storch brothers, the Corps’ reach has grown, with outposts in every major U.S. city. Trish Edgewater, whose sister Dori was one of the first victims of the lethal insomnia, has spent the past seven years recruiting for the Corps. But Trish’s faith in the organization and in her own motives begins to falter when she is confronted by Baby A, the first universal sleep donor, and the mysterious Donor Y. Sleep Donation explores a world facing the end of sleep as we know it, where “Night Worlds” offer black market remedies to the desperate and sleep deprived, and where even the act of making a gift is not as simple as it appears.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Dinaw Mengestu : All Our Names</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><em>All Our Names</em> is the story of two young men who come of age during an African revolution, drawn from the safe confines of the university campus into the intensifying clamor of the streets outside. But as the line between idealism and violence becomes increasingly blurred, the friends are driven apart—one into the deepest peril, as the movement gathers inexorable force, and the other into the safety of exile in the American Midwest. There, pretending to be an exchange student, he falls in love with a social worker and settles into small-town life. Yet this idyll is inescapably darkened by the secrets of his past: the acts he committed and the work he left unfinished. Most of all, he is haunted by the beloved friend he left behind–the charismatic leader who first guided him to revolution and then sacrificed everything to ensure his freedom.  Writing within the grand tradition of Naipul, Greene, and Achebe, Mengestu gives us a political novel that is also a transfixing portrait of love and grace, of self-determination, of the names we are given and the names we earn.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Jo Walton : My Real Children</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2014 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>It’s 2015 and Patricia Cowan is very old. “Confused today,” read the notes clipped to the end of her bed. She forgets things she should know—what year it is, major events in the lives of her children. But she remembers things that don’t seem possible. She remembers marrying Mark and having four children. And she remembers not marrying Mark and raising three children with Bee instead. She remembers the bomb that killed President Kennedy in 1963, and she remembers Kennedy in 1964, declining to run again after the nuclear exchange that took out Miami and Kiev. Two lives, two worlds, two versions of modern history. Each with their loves and losses, their sorrows and triumphs. Jo Walton&#8217;s <em>My Real Children</em> is the tale of both of Patricia Cowan’s lives . . . and of how every life means the entire world.</p>
<p>“It explores issues of choice and chance and destiny and responsibility with the narrative tools that only science fiction affords, but it’s also a deeply poignant, richly imagined book about women’s lives in 20th- and 21st-century England, and, in a broader sense, about the lives of all those who are pushed to the margins of history: the disabled, the disenfranchised, the queer, the lower middle class.”—<em>Publisher&#8217;s Weekly</em>, signature review</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Roxane Gay : An Untamed State</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><em>An Untamed State</em> is a novel of privilege in the face of crushing poverty, and of the lawless anger that corrupt governments produce. It is the story of a willful woman attempting to find her way back to the person she once was, and of how redemption is found in the most unexpected of places. <em>An Untamed State</em> establishes Roxane Gay as a writer of prodigious, arresting talent.</p>
<p>“Once you start this book, you will not be able to put it down. <em>An Untamed State</em> is a novel of hope intermingled with fear, a book about possibilities mixed with horror and despair. It is written at a pace that will match your racing heart, and while you find yourself shocked, amazed, devastated, you also dare to hope for the best, for all involved.”—Edwidge Danticat</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Leni Zumas &#038; Luca Dipierro : A Wooden Leg</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>There is a long, if lesser known, history of fictions (and fictive illustrations) that invite reader participation, where the reader co-creates the story with the authors. These stories often utilize an element of chance and/or suggest multiple possible ways a text can be read. Leni Zumas and Luca Dipierro, the co-creators of <em>A Wooden Leg: A Novel in 64 Cards, </em>discuss <em>A Wooden Leg </em>in light of these traditions. Leni Zumas is a professor of creative writing in the MFA program at Portland State University and the author of the short story collection <em>Farewell Navigator,</em> as well as the novel <em>The Listeners</em>, a finalist for the 2013 Oregon Book Award. Luca Dipierro is an animator and illustrator whose work appears regularly on record and book covers and in animated films. Dipierro is also the author of the art zine <em>Das Ding</em> and the book of fictions <em>Biscotti Neri</em>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Lorrie Moore : Bark</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2014 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><em>Harper’s Magazine</em> may have said it best when describing today’s guest, Lorrie Moore: “Fifty years from now, it may well turn out that the work of very few American writers has as much to say about what it means to be alive in our time as that of Lorrie Moore.” Over the course of the past thirty years Lorrie Moore, has earned a place among the best and most beloved of American writers. The author of 4 collections of short stories and 3 novels, Moore’s work has appeared in <em>The Best American Short Stories of the Century</em>, has won the O Henry Prize, and been a finalist for the PEN/Faulkner Award and the Orange Prize. A longstanding faculty member at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, Lorrie Moore has recently become the Gertrude Conway Vanderbilt Professor of English at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee. In addition to her fiction, she is a frequent essayist on popular culture for the <em>New York Review of Books</em>. She is here today on Between The Covers to talk about her latest story collection “Bark,” a collection the <em>New York Times</em> declares “will stand by itself as one of our funniest, most telling anatomies of human love and vulnerability.”</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Kyle Minor : Praying Drunk</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2014 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The characters in <i>Praying Drunk</i> speak in tongues, torture their classmates, fall in love, hunt for immortality, abandon their children, keep machetes beneath passenger seats, and collect porcelain figurines. From Kentucky to Florida to Haiti, these seemingly disparate lives are woven together within a series of nested repetitions, enacting the struggle to remain physically and spiritually alive throughout the untamable turbulence of their worlds. In a masterful blend of fiction, autobiography, and surrealism, Kyle Minor shows us that the space between fearlessness and terror is often very small. Long before <i>Praying Drunk</i> reaches its plaintive, pitch-perfect end, Minor establishes himself again and again as one of the most talented younger writers in America.</p>
<p>&#8220;I finished this book with my heart pounding and grateful, my coffee cold and my smile wide and crying like a baby.&#8221;—Daniel Handler</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Helen Oyeyemi : Boy, Snow, Bird</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2014 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In the winter of 1953, Boy Novak arrives by chance in a small town in Massachusetts, looking, she believes, for beauty—the opposite of the life she’s left behind in New York. She marries a local widower and becomes stepmother to his winsome daughter, Snow Whitman. A wicked stepmother is a creature Boy never imagined she’d become, but elements of the familiar tale of aesthetic obsession begin to play themselves out when the birth of Boy’s daughter, Bird, who is dark-skinned, exposes the Whitmans as light-skinned African Americans passing for white. Among them, Boy, Snow, and Bird confront the tyranny of the mirror to ask how much power surfaces really hold. Dazzlingly inventive and powerfully moving<em>, Boy, Snow, Bird</em> is an astonishing and enchanting novel. With breathtaking feats of imagination, Helen Oyeyemi confirms her place as one of the most original and dynamic literary voices of our time.</p>
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		<title>Gina Frangello: A Life In Men</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2014 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The friendship between Mary and Nix has endured since childhood, a seemingly unbreakable bond, until the mid-1980s, when the two young women reunite for a summer vacation in Greece. It&#8217;s a trip instigated by Nix, who has just learned that Mary has been diagnosed with a disease that will inevitably cut her life short. Nix, a free spirit by nature, is determined that Mary have the vacation of a lifetime, but by the time their visit to Greece is over, the ties between them have unraveled, and when they said goodbye, it&#8217;s for the last time.</p>
<p>Gina Frangello is the author of three books of fiction: <em>A Life in Men</em> (Algonquin 2014), which was a book club selection for <em>Nylon Magazine</em>, <em>The Rumpus</em>, and <em>The Nervous Breakdown</em>; <em>Slut Lullabies</em> (Emergency Press 2010), which was a <em>Foreword Magazine</em> Best Book of the Year finalist, and <em>My Sister’s Continent</em> (Chiasmus 2006).</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Chang-rae Lee : On Such A Full Sea</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The most striking dystopian novels sound an alarm, focus our attention and even change the language. <em>The Handmaid’s Tale</em> crystallized our fears about reproductive control; <em>Fahrenheit 451</em> still flames discussions of censorship; and <em>1984</em> is the lens through which we watch the Obama administration watching us. Chang-rae Lee’s unsettling new novel, <em>On Such a Full Sea</em>, arrives from that same frightening realm of total oversight and pinched individuality . . . A brilliant, deeply unnerving portrait.&#8221;—<em>The Washington Post</em></p>
<p>Selected by the <em>New Yorker</em> as one of the twenty best writers under forty, Chang-rae Lee is also the author of <em>Native Speaker</em>, winner of the Hemingway Foundation/PEN Award for first fiction, <em>A Gesture Life</em>,  <em>Aloft</em>, and <em>The Surrendered</em>, and teaches fiction at Princeton University.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Gary Shteyngart : Little Failure</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jan 2014 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“Gary Shteyngart has written a memoir for the ages. I spat laughter on the first page and closed the last with wet eyes. Unputdownable in the day and a half I spent reading it, <em>Little Failure</em> is a window into immigrant agony and ambition, Jewish angst, and anybody’s desperate need for a tribe. Readers who’ve fallen for Shteyngart’s antics on the page will relish the trademark humor. But here it’s laden and leavened with a deep, consequential psychological journey. Brave and unflinching, <em>Little Failure</em> is his best book to date.”—Mary Karr</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Veronica Gonzalez Peña : The Sad Passions</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Told by six women in one family, Veronica Gonzalez Peña’s <em>The Sad Passions </em>captures the alertness, beauty, and terror of childhood lived in proximity to madness. Set against the backdrop of a colonial past, spanning three generations, and shuttling from Mexico City to Oaxaca to the North Fork of Long Island to Veracruz, <em>The Sad Passions </em>is the lyrical story of a middle-class Mexican family torn apart by the undiagnosed mental illness of Claudia, a lost child of the 1960s and the mother of four little girls.</p>
<p>&#8220;<em>The Sad Passions</em> explodes the tired assumption that women’s interiority is intrinsically domestic, fanning out women’s inner lives like the vibrant sections of a peacock’s tail. It upends our expectations of a novel about women’s family life. The cumulative effect of Gonzalez Peña’s novel is that of a hall of mirrors: an intimate, personal hall of mirrors, a psychic hall of mirrors. This, she tells us, is where women live, how women live, in the company of past selves, future selves, in the anguished haunting of possible selves. This is where women’s lives happen, in the space in between memory and present, in the split-second recognition of one’s reflection, before turning from the glass and going out into the world.&#8221;—<em>Los Angeles Review of Books</em></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Kevin Sampsell : This Is Between Us</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>There may be no author more integral to the Portland literary scene than Kevin Sampsell. Kevin is not only the small press curator and events coordinator at Powell’s books, but he&#8217;s also the editor of the Portland Noir fiction anthology, curated this year’s Wordstock literary festival, was in charge of LitHopPDX, Portland’s inaugural literary bar crawl, and is the publisher of the micro-press Future Tense Books. His own books include the collections <em>Beautiful Blemish</em> and <em>Creamy Bullets,</em> and his memoir <em>A Common Pornography</em>.  His work has appeared in <em>Tin House</em>, <em>Salon</em>, <em>McSweeney’s</em>, <em>Best Sex Writing 2012</em> and <em>Best American Essays 2013</em>, and he is here today on Between The Covers to talk about his novel, <em>This is Between Us</em>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Lucy Corin : One Hundred Apocalypses</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>We seem to be in the midst of an upsurge in dystopian art and end times anxieties. If we as a culture don’t have a sense of impending doom, we do at least have trouble imagining the future being bright and promising. Today’s guest Lucy Corin is here on Between The Covers to talk about her new book from McSweeney’s, <em>A Hundred Apocalypses and Other Apocalypses.</em> A book playful both in form and content, Corin&#8217;s new book looks at this cultural moment from every perspective imaginable. Lucy Corin is the author of the novel <em>Everyday Psychokillers: A History of Girls</em> and the short story collection <em>The Entire Predicament</em> from Tin House Books. She is the program director of the creative writing program at UC Davis and the winner of the 2012 American Academy of Arts and Letters Rome Prize who described her writing as follows: “Lucy Corin sounds like no one; prickly, shrewd, faintly paranoid or furtive, witty and also savage, she has something of Paley&#8217;s gift for soliloquy combined with Dickinson&#8217;s passionate need to hold the world at bay, that sense of a voice emanating from a Skinner box. Her achievement is already dazzling, her promise immense.&#8221;</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Jonathan Lethem : Dissident Gardens</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2013 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan Lethem is a man of many lives. For one, because of his repeated return to New York as both setting and muse in novels such as <em>Motherless Brooklyn</em>, <em>Fortress of Solitude,</em> and <em>Chronic City</em>, he may be New York’s closest thing to having a bard. But Lethem is known as well for his genre fiction, his hard-boiled detective and science fiction books, his revival of the Marvel comic Omega the Unknown, and for editing the Library of America’s four-volume edition of Philip K. Dick’s novels. Yet another side of Jonathan Lethem is that of essayist on music and culture, with books about John Carpenter, the New York Mets, and the Talking Heads, with his remarkable <em>Rolling Stone</em> interview of Bob Dylan, and a profile of James Brown that the <em>New York Times</em> says “stands as the best writing ever about the greatest musician of the post-World War II era.” Given all of these accomplishments, it is no small thing that many call Lethem’s latest novel, <em>Dissident Gardens</em>, his best. Spanning three generations and eighty years, from the Jewish communists of Queens in the 1930s, to the folk revivalists of Greenwich Village in the 60s, to the modern-day Occupy movement, <em>Dissident Gardens</em> is both an intimate and epic portrayal of the American Left, of American Jews in the twentieth century, and of one family’s quest for transformation and self-reinvention one generation to the next.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Robert Boswell : Tumbledown</title>
		<link>https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/robert-boswell-tumbledown/</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2013 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When most of us think of today&#8217;s great American novel, we think of Franzen&#8217;s <em>Freedom</em> or Egan&#8217;s <em>A Visit from the Goon Squad</em>—sprawling stories that comment on contemporary society as we live it. <em>Tumbledown</em>, Robert Boswell&#8217;s latest, is just such a book—and one you&#8217;ll stay up until 3 AM reading. Over the course of a few weeks, James Candler, a 30-something therapist, is about to lose everything including his job at the treatment center, his fiancée, and his underwater house in the suburbs. Whether he actually loses it all becomes less important as the lives of his teenage patients intertwine with his . . . This look at life inside a for-profit mental health facility will make you laugh out loud, then sucker-punch you straight to sorrow . . . Boswell is a writer who can see the humanity, and yes, even beauty, in just about anything, including a lone man sitting at a late-night diner, holding &#8216;a frosted doughnut to his nose as if it were a flower.'&#8221;—Leigh Newman, &#8220;Oprah Book of the Week&#8221; review</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Jami Attenberg : The Middlesteins</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2013 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>For more than thirty years, Edie and Richard Middlestein shared a solid family life together in the suburbs of Chicago. But now things are splintering apart for one reason: Edie&#8217;s enormous girth. She&#8217;s obsessed with food–thinking about it, eating it—and if she doesn&#8217;t stop, she won&#8217;t have much longer to live. With pitch-perfect prose, huge compassion, and sly humor, Jami Attenberg has given us an epic story of marriage, family, and obsession. The <em>Middlesteins</em> explores the hopes and heartbreaks of new and old love, the yearnings of Midwestern America, and our devastating, fascinating preoccupation with food.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Matt Bell : In the House Upon the Dirt between the Lake and the Woods</title>
		<link>https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/matt-bell-in-the-house-upon-the-dirt-between-the-lake-and-the-woods/</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jul 2013 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Matt Bell&#8217;s novel is so unlike anything else you&#8217;ll read this year that people are struggling to describe just what it is. The<em> Washington Post</em> says it&#8217;s like a magical realist story chanted by druids on mushrooms, <em>The Stranger</em> says it feels like a Tolkein epic set inside Plato&#8217;s cave and told by Carl Jung, others mention Calvino, Borges, Kafka, and the Bible. Earlier this year <em>Flavorwire</em> called Matt Bell one of the 10 best millennial writers you haven&#8217;t read (yet) and <em>NPR</em> called Bell&#8217;s book, <em>In the House Upon the Dirt Between the Lake and the Woods</em>, one of the smartest meditations on love, family, and marriage in recent years.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>NoViolet Bulawayo : We Need New Names</title>
		<link>https://www.betweenthecoverspodcast.com/podcast/noviolet-bulawayo-we-need-new-names/</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Born and raised in Zimbabwe, NoViolet Bulawayo earned her MFA at Cornell University where she was the recipient of the Truman Capote fellowship. In 2011 she won the biggest literary prize in Africa, the Caine Prize for African Writing for her short story &#8220;Hitting Budapest,&#8221; first published in the <em>Boston Review</em>. Bulawayo talks with Between The Covers host, David Naimon, about her debut novel, <em>We Need New Names</em>, a powerful story of emigration and immigration during Zimbabwe&#8217;s Lost Decade.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Lenore Zion : Stupid Children</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Host David Naimon talks with Lenore Zion about her debut novel <em>Stupid Children</em>, a book Thomas Michael Duncan of <em>Necessary Fiction</em> calls &#8220;a bildungsroman of twisted proportions told with startling clarity through the filter of a smart, psychoanalytic perspective. No character is safe from Zion’s unapologetic examinations. She bestows her protagonist with an open mind, a sharp intellect, and a sweltering imagination—all of the requisite ingredients for a disturbing, fascinating novel.&#8221;</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Benjamin Percy : Red Moon</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p><em>They live among us.  They are your neighbor, your mother, your lover.  They change. </em></p>
<p>Every teenage girl thinks she’s different. When government agents kick down Claire Forrester’s front door and murder her parents, Claire realizes just how different she is.</p>
<p>Patrick Gamble was nothing special until the day he got on a plane and hours later stepped off it, the only passenger left alive, a hero.</p>
<p>President Chase Williams has sworn to protect the people of the United States from the menace in their midst but is becoming the very thing he has promised to destroy. So far the threat has been controlled by laws and violence and drugs. But the night of the red moon is coming, when an unrecognizable world will emerge, and the battle for humanity will begin.</p>
<p>Host David Naimon talks with author Benjamin Percy about his new novel, <em>Red Moon</em>.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Karen Russell : Vampires in the Lemon Grove</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Karen Russell is one of today’s most celebrated and vital writers—honored in the<em> New Yorker</em>’s list of the twenty best writers under the age of forty, <em>Granta</em>’s Best of Young American Novelists, and the National Book Foundation’s five best writers under the age of thirty-five. Last year, Karen Russell was nominated for the Pulitzer Prize in fiction (along with David Foster Wallace and Denis Johnson) for her debut novel, <em>Swamplandia!</em>  Now Russell is back with a magical new collection of stories, <em>Vampires in the Lemon Grove</em>, that showcases her gifts at their inimitable best.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Monica Drake : The Stud Book</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In the hip haven of Portland, Oregon, a pack of unsteady but loyal friends asks what it means to bring babies into an already crowded world. A smart, edgy and poignantly funny exploration of the complexities of what parenthood means today, Monica Drake&#8217;s second novel, <em>The Stud Book</em>, demonstrates that when it comes to babies, we can learn a lot by considering our place in the animal kingdom. Cheryl Strayed calls <em>The Stud Book</em> a &#8220;take your breath away good, blow your mind wise, crack your heart open beauty of a novel. A smart sexy, comic compassionate, absorbing and necessary story of our times.&#8221;</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Sam Lipsyte : The Fun Parts</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A hilarious collection of stories from the writer the<em> New York Times</em> called “the novelist of his generation.”</p>
<p>Returning to the form in which he began, Sam Lipsyte, author of the <em>New York Times</em> bestseller <em>The Ask</em>, offers up <em>The Fun Parts</em>, a book of bold, hilarious, and deeply felt fiction. Combining both the tragicomic dazzle of his beloved novels and the compressed vitality of his classic debut collection, <em>The Fun Parts</em> is Lipsyte at his best–an exploration of new voices and vistas from a writer <em>Time</em> magazine has said “everyone should read.”</p>]]></description>
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		<title>George Saunders : Tenth of December</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;George Saunders Has Written the Best Book You&#8217;ll Read All Year,&#8221; declared the cover of the <em>New York Times Magazine</em> several weeks ago. Since then, the world has rushed to agree that Saunders&#8217; new story collection, <em>Tenth of December</em>, is a remarkable literary achievement.</p>
<p>“George Saunders is a complete original, unlike anyone else, thank god—and yet still he manages to be the rightful heir to three other complete American originals—Barthelme (the lyricism, the playfulness), Vonnegut (the outrage, the wit, the scope), and Twain (the common sense, the exasperation). There is no author I recommend to people more often—for ten years I’ve urged George Saunders onto everyone and everyone. You want funny? Saunders is your man. You want emotional heft? Saunders again. You want stories that are actually about something—stories that again and again get to the meat of matters of life and death and justice and country? Saunders. There is no one better, no one more essential to our national sense of self and sanity.”—Dave Eggers</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Chris Kraus : Summer of Hate</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Writer, filmmaker and art critic Chris Kraus talks with host David Naimon about her latest book,<em> Summer of Hate. </em>Her other books include the novels <em>I Love Dick</em>, hailed by Rick Moody as one of the literary highpoints of the past two decades, <em>Aliens &amp; Anorexia</em>, and <em>Torpor.  </em>She is also the author of the essay collections <em>Video Green </em>and<em> Where Art Belongs</em>, and is a frequent contributor to <em>Artforum, Bookforum,</em> and the <em>Los Angeles Review of Books.  </em></p>
<p>“Chris Kraus cuts a new and insatiably clever line in this explosive new work, breaking down big themes like art writing, romance, and capitalism, within a wildly expansive take on the thriller.”<em>—</em>Janine Armin</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Alexis Smith : Glaciers</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Portland author Alexis Smith talks with host David Naimon about <em>Glaciers</em>, her debut novel from Tin House books. <em>Glaciers<strong> </strong></em>follows Isabel through a day in her life, in which work with damaged books in the basement of a library, unrequited love for the former soldier who fixes her computer, and dreams of the perfect vintage dress move over a backdrop of deteriorating urban architecture and the imminent loss of the glaciers she knew as a young girl in Alaska. <em>Glaciers</em> was a <em>Publishers Weekly</em> pick of the week, received its coveted starred review, and was selected by IndieBound.org for the January 2012 Indie Next List.</p>
<p>“An Alaska childhood and dreams of faraway cities such as Amsterdam inform Alexis M. Smith’s <em>Glaciers</em>, a delicate debut novel set in Portland, Oregon—‘a slick fog of a city . . . drenched in itself’—that reveals in short, memory-soaked postcards of prose a day in the life of twentysomething library worker Isabel.”—Lisa Shea, <em>ELLE Magazine</em></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Jess Walter : Beautiful Ruins</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Host David Naimon talks with Jess Walter about his sixth novel, <em>Beautiful Ruins</em>, a deeply human rollercoaster of a novel, spanning fifty years and nearly as many lives. Walter is also the author of the national bestseller <em>The Financial Lives of the Poets</em>, the National Book Award finalist <em>The Zero</em>, the Edgar Award-winning <em>Citizen Vince</em>, <em>Land of the Blind</em>, and the <em>New York Times</em> Notable Book <em>Over Tumbled Graves</em>. He lives in Spokane, Washington with his family.</p>
<p>“A blockbuster, with romance, majesty, comedy, smarts, and a cast of thousands. There’s lights, there’s camera, there’s action. If you want anything more from a novel than Jess Walter gives you in <em>Beautiful Ruins</em>, you’re getting thrown out of the theater.”—Daniel Handler</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Junot Diaz : This Is How You Lose Her</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Host David Naimon speaks with Junot Diaz, who the<em> New Yorker</em> calls one of the top 20 writers for the 21st century. He’s the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of the novel <em>The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao</em>, a Creative Writing professor at MIT, the Fiction Editor at the <em>Boston Review</em>, and a founding member of Voices of Our Nations Arts Writing Workshop, which focuses on writers of color. In 2010, he was the first Latino to be appointed to the board of jurors for the Pulitzer Prize. Junot Diaz is here today to talk about his new short story collection <em>This is How you Lose Her</em>, a much-anticipated work, sixteen years in the making.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Sheila Heti : How Should A Person Be?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">Is <em>How Should a Person Be? </em>a novel, a memoir, a self-help manual, or a book of philosophy? It is all of these things and more.  Host David Naimon talks with Sheila Heti about her new book, which <em>Bookforum </em>dubs “a raw, startling, genre-defying novel of friends, sex, and love in the new millennium—a compulsive read that&#8217;s like spending a day with your new best friend.”</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Canadian writer Sheila Heti is the author of five books, all very different in form and style. She has written a collection of modern fables entitled <em>The Middle Stories</em>, a historical novella called <em>Ticknor,</em> and an illustrated book for children called <em>We Need a Horse</em>. Recently, she ventured into nonfiction with her book of “conversational philosophy,” <em>The Chairs Are Where the People Go</em>, written with Misha Glouberman, which the <em>New Yorker</em> chose as one of the best books of 2011. Sheila Heti also works as Interviews Editor at <em>The Believer</em> magazine.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Karen Thompson Walker : The Age of Miracles</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>On a seemingly ordinary Saturday in a California suburb, Julia and her family awake to discover, along with the rest of the world, that the rotation of the earth has suddenly begun to slow. The days and nights grow longer and longer, gravity is affected, and the environment is thrown into disarray. Yet as she struggles to navigate an ever-shifting landscape, Julia is also coping with the normal disasters of everyday life—the fissures in her parents’ marriage, the loss of old friends, the hopeful anguish of first love, the bizarre behavior of her grandfather who, convinced of a government conspiracy, spends his days obsessively cataloging his possessions. As Julia adjusts to the new normal, the slowing inexorably continues. This is the world of <em>The Age of Miracles</em>, by Karen Thompson Walker. Host David Naimon talks with Karen about her debut novel, which has taken the literary world by storm.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Vanessa Veselka : Zazen</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A war has either started or is about to; bombs are going off in the city, but people seem strangely disengaged. Della&#8217;s activist friends seem more concerned about the next sex party or the finer points of vegan ideology, and customers at the vegan café where she works talk of leaving the country for a life of escape and eco-tourism. But Della feels compelled to stay as the bombs inch closer, even though she isn’t quite sure how to engage or what exactly to fight for. This is the world of <em>Zazen</em>.</p>
<p>Today’s guest is Portland writer and debut novelist Vanessa Veselka. Vanessa’s work has appeared in <em>Tin House</em>, the<em> Atlantic</em>, <em>BUST</em>, <em>Bitch Magazine</em>, and <em>Maximum Rock &#8216;n&#8217; Roll</em>, among others. She’s also a musician and a writing instructor at the<em> Attic</em>. She talks today with host David Naimon about her first book, <em>Zazen</em>, a finalist for the Oregon Book Awards, published by Red Lemonade Press.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Adam Levin : Hot Pink</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Adam Levin’s debut novel, <em>The Instructions</em>, published by McSweeney’s in 2010, arrived with a lot of buzz. An inventive, experimental book of over 1000 pages, its protagonist was Gurion ben-Judah Maccabee, a 10-year-old genius from Chicago, who may or may not be the Jewish Messiah. Levin’s short stories have appeared in <em>Tin House</em>, <em>McSweeney’s,</em> and <em>Esquire</em>. He was the winner of the New York Public Library’s Young Lions Award and the 2004 Joyce Carol Oates Fiction Prize, among others. He lives in Chicago, where he teaches Creative Writing at the School of the Art Institute and talks today, with host David Naimon, about his much-anticipated follow-up to <em>The Instructions</em>, his short story collection <em>Hot Pink</em>.</p>
<p>“From walls that ooze unnameable, unidentifiable gel, through makers of children’s dolls designed to mimic the stages of digestive health, to old widowers in retirement looking back over their marriages, Levin manages to find the pathos and humor in living an ‘ordinary’ existence. Enter his world if you dare!”—<em>The Jewish Times</em></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Jon Raymond : Rain Dragon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Host David Naimon talks with Portland author, Jon Raymond, about his new novel <em>Rain Dragon</em>.  Raymond is the author of the novel <em>The </em><em>Half-Life</em>, and the short story collection <em>Livability,</em> which won the Oregon Book Award and contained two stories that became the critically acclaimed movies <em>Old Joy</em> and <em>Wendy &amp; Lucy</em>. Jon Raymond was also the screenwriter for the film <em>Meek&#8217;s Cutoff</em> and for the HBO miniseries <em>Mildred Pierce,</em> starring Kate Winslet. <em>Rain Dragon</em> follows a couple who leave the rat race in L.A. to work on an organic farm in Oregon.</p>
<p>“Raymond expertly captures the emotions of personal growth and inner turmoil while bringing the Oregon setting to life with descriptive language reminiscent of that in his first novel, <em>The Half-Life </em>(2004). Deep characters offset by a light tone make this work about dreams and realities an enjoyable read.”<em>—Booklist</em></p>]]></description>
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		<title>Nathan Englander : What We Talk About When We Talk About Anne Frank</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Englander burst on the literary scene in 1999 with <em>For The Relief of Unbearable Urges</em>, a story collection that earned him the PEN/Faulkner Malamud Award and the American Academy of Arts and Letters Sue Kauffman Prize. His first novel, <em>The Ministry of Special Cases</em>, set during Argentina’s Dirty War, came out in 2007. And this year finds Englander particularly busy, with a play, <em>The Twenty-Seventh Man</em>, premiering at The Public Theater in New York; the release of his original translation of the Haggadah, the prayer book used during the Passover seder, edited by Jonathan Safran Foer; and his much-anticipated story collection that we will talk about today, <em>What We Talk About When We Talk About Anne Frank</em>.<em><strong> </strong></em></p>
<p>“It takes an exceptional combination of moral humility and moral assurance to integrate fine-grained comedy and large-scale tragedy as daringly as Nathan Englander does.”—Jonathan Franzen</p>
<p>“<em>What We Talk About When We Talk About Anne Frank</em> vividly displays the humor, complexity, and edge that we&#8217;ve come to expect from Nathan Englander&#8217;s fiction—always animated by a deep, vibrant core of historical resonance.”—Jennifer Egan</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Ben Marcus : The Flame Alphabet</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>What if the words your children spoke to you actually made you sick? Physically sick. And what if the children themselves relished in this newfound power over their parents? This is the setting of Ben Marcus’ new dystopian novel <em>The Flame Alphabet</em>. Ben Marcus is Chair of Creative Writing at Columbia University and the author of three previous books of fiction.</p>
<p>“Echoes of Ballard’s insanely sane narrators, echoes of Kafka’s terrible gift for metaphor, echoes of David Lynch, William Burroughs, Robert Walser, Bruno Schulz, and Mary Shelley: a world of echoes and re-echoes—I mean <em>our</em> world—out of which the sanely insane genius of Ben Marcus somehow manages to wrest something new and unheard of. And yet as I read <em>The Flame Alphabet</em>, late into the night, feverishly turning the pages, I felt myself, increasingly, in the presence of the classic.”—Michael Chabon</p>
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		<title>Colson Whitehead : Zone One</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Host David Naimon speaks with award-winning writer Colson Whitehead about his new novel <em>Zone One</em>, described as a &#8220;wry take on the post-apocalyptic horror novel.&#8221; The world has been devastated by a plague. There are two types of survivors: the uninfected and the infected, the living and the living dead.</p>
<p>Colson Whitehead is the author of the novels <em>The Intuitionist</em>, <em>John Henry Days</em>, <em>Apex Hides the Hurt</em>, and <em>Sag Harbor</em>. He has also written a book of about his hometown, a collection of essays called <em>The Colossus of New York</em>. His work has appeared in the <em>New York Times</em>, <em>Granta</em>, <em>Harper’s</em>, and the <em>New Yorker</em>. A recipient of a Whiting Writers Award, a MacArthur Grant, and a fellowship at the Cullman Center for Scholars and Writers, he lives in New York City.</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Justin Torres : We The Animals</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Host David Naimon interviews debut novelist Justin Torres. His book, <a title="More info about this book at powells.com" href="http://www.powells.com/partner/34985/biblio/9780547576725?p_ti" rel="powells-9780547576725"><em>We the Animals</em></a>, has been heralded for its beautiful, concentrated prose. <em>NPR</em> likened it to a diamond, brilliant and brilliantly compressed. <em>Esquire</em> called it a &#8220;knock to the head that will leave your mouth agape.&#8221; Justin Torres is a graduate of the Iowa Writers&#8217; Workshop, with work in the <em>New Yorker</em>, <em>Harper&#8217;s</em>, <em>Granta</em>, <em>Tin House</em>, and <em>Glimmer Train</em>.  Currently, he serves as the Wallace Stegner fellow at Stanford University.</p>
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		<title>China Miéville : Embassytown</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Science fiction and fantasy writer China Miéville has won nearly every award in the genre and has caught the attention of mainstream publications from the <em>New York Times</em> to the <em>Guardian</em> with the depth of his imagination and the height of his erudition. David Naimon interviews him about his new, much anticipated book, <em>Embassytown</em>.</p>
<p>“<em>Embassytown</em> is a fully achieved work of art . . . Works on every level, providing compulsive narrative, splendid intellectual rigor and risk, moral sophistication, fine verbal fireworks and sideshows, and even the old-fashioned satisfaction of watching a protagonist become more of a person than she gave promise of being.”—Ursula K. Le Guin</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Scott Sparling : Wire to Wire</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Host David Naimon interviews Portland writer Scott Sparling about his debut novel, <em>Wire to Wire</em>, from Tin House Books.  A pick of the week by <em>Publisher’s Weekly</em>, they call <em>Wire to Wire</em>, “well-crafted and thrilling, tying together an obvious love for both Michigan and railroads with an expert sense of timing and plot. The world he has created is both overwhelming and exhilarating, thanks in no small part to a large ensemble of memorable characters and a relentless pace. Indeed, hardly a page goes by without some sort of fantastic calamity throwing Slater and company into further turmoil—when the most peaceful passages of the story are speed-addled, that&#8217;s saying something—but it’s done so well that hopping off this runaway train would never cross a reader&#8217;s mind.”</p>]]></description>
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		<title>Anthony Doerr : Memory Wall</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Host David Naimon speaks with writer Anthony Doerr about his latest book, <em>Memory Wal</em><em>l</em>. Doerr is the author of three other books: <em>The Shell Collector</em>,<em> About Grace</em>, and <em>Four Seasons in Rome</em>. Doerr’s short fiction has won three O. Henry Prizes and has been anthologized in <em>The Best American Short Stories</em>, <em>The Anchor Book of New American Short Stories</em>, and <em>The Scribner Anthology of Contemporary Fiction</em>. He has won the Barnes &amp; Noble Discover Prize, the Rome Prize, the New York Public Library’s Young Lions Fiction Award, a Guggenheim Fellowship, an NEA Fellowship, the National Magazine Award for Fiction, two Pushcart Prizes, the Pacific Northwest Book Award, and two Ohioana Book Awards. His books have twice been a <em>New York Times</em> Notable Book, an American Library Association Book of the Year, and made lots of other year-end “Best Of” lists. In 2007, the British literary magazine <em>Granta</em> placed Doerr on its list of 21 Best Young American novelists.</p>
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		<title>Nicole Krauss : Great House</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Host David Naimon speaks with Nicole Krauss about her newest novel <em>Great House</em>, which tells a story haunted by questions: What do we pass on to our children? How do they absorb our dreams and losses? How do we respond to disappearance, destruction, and change?  <em>Great House</em> was a finalist for the National Book Award for fiction this year.</p>
<p>Nicole Krauss is also the author of the international bestseller <em>The History of Love</em>, which won the William Saroyan International Prize for Writing, France’s Prix du Meilleur Livre Ėtranger, was named #1 book of the year by Amazon.com, and was short-listed for the Orange, Médicis, and Femina prizes. In 2007, she was selected as one of <em>Granta</em>’s Best Young American Novelists, and in 2010 the<em> New Yorker </em>named her one of the 20 best writers under 40.</p>]]></description>
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